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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Slowly Today. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I really was hoping that I

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Speaker 1: But I think it's appropriate that we do. Some of

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Speaker 1: you may know already we had an eleven year old girl,

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Speaker 1: little girl shot and killed in a West End playground yesterday.

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Speaker 1: She becomes the second child, because that's what she is

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Speaker 1: at eleven years old, a child. She becomes the second

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Speaker 1: child shot apparently very very close to the same place

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Speaker 1: West End playground as a young boy, eleven year old

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Speaker 1: Dominic Davis. I think that was a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: and apparently that is unst you know, back in the day.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you just you didn't see this. Yes he

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Speaker 1: saw shootings, Yes you saw killings, but you sure didn't

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Speaker 1: see eleven year olds being killed. You just didn't. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the situation is with the police yet.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they've released too much. And before you

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Speaker 1: start getting all honked off about that, there are reasons

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Speaker 1: for that. The investigation is ongoing.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: We live in a world now where I think people

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Speaker 1: expect instant everything. You know, if a crime isn't solved

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Speaker 1: within the first couple of days, then it's like, what's

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Speaker 1: taken them so long? What's taken them so long? But

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Speaker 1: they have not that I know of, issued a statement

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Speaker 1: about this yet. Wanted to let you know too. At

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock, we will be talking to former Vice mayor

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Speaker 1: Christopher Smitheman. And I just connected with Corey Bowman, former

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Speaker 1: mayor candidate and current pastor of The River Church, and

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Speaker 1: Corey put out a statement on x just a heart

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Speaker 1: rendering statement. It's personal to Corey. It would appear because

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Speaker 1: the family of this young girl that was shot and

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Speaker 1: killed is a congregant of Corey Bowman's church. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking to Corey about that. You know,

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Speaker 1: what he may know about this little girl, her name

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Speaker 1: was Queener Reid. Just how the neighborhood's feeling down there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's kind of obvious, but I've

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Speaker 1: been in this system fifty one years, fifty one long

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Speaker 1: years in any number of positions, and there's just so

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Speaker 1: much changing in the world, not changing for the better.

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Speaker 1: You just didn't hear that. You didn't hear about ten

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Speaker 1: eleven twelve year olds being killed it It didn't well,

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Speaker 1: it did happen back then, but extremely rarely now quite

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Speaker 1: a bit now. I haven't looked at the statistics lately,

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Speaker 1: but some people are saying that crime is down, violent

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Speaker 1: crime in the city of Cincinnati. But you know, go

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Speaker 1: tell that to Queen of Reed's family. Go tell that

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Speaker 1: to the young man a couple of years ago that

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Speaker 1: was shot and killed pretty close to the same place,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it. So we will be talking to

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Speaker 1: those two, Christopher Smitheman and Corey at Christopher at ten o'clock,

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Speaker 1: Corey at ten thirty about this just tragic. There is

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Speaker 1: some insinuation and I'm going to ask Corey Bowman about

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Speaker 1: this that the family when they responded to Children's Hospital,

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Speaker 1: word respectfully? I guess now that would surprise me. Children's

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Speaker 1: Hospital has an excellent reputation, and you know, people in

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Speaker 1: those situations are trained to kind of understand trauma and

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Speaker 1: what a family's going through. But we'll talk to Corey

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Speaker 1: about that too. And you know what the situation with

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Speaker 1: crime in the city of Cincinnati. Perhaps it's getting a

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Speaker 1: little better, but in some areas it's not. I mean

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Speaker 1: the West End over the Rhine, it's just hard to

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Speaker 1: believe that it's any better down there. And you know,

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Speaker 1: from an economic standpoint, we've talked about this a number

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Speaker 1: of times. Over the Rhine. My goodness, it's a jewel

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Speaker 1: for this city. People don't realize that there aren't any

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Speaker 1: other cities that have what we have there in our

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Speaker 1: this was not otr This is a West End playground

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Speaker 1: that Golden Goose is just gonna leave. I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: something that the city has to get under control. And

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Speaker 1: I don't want to politicize this tragedy. However, we don't

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Speaker 1: great law firm. No thought at all that they're doing

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Speaker 1: I mean the city already got rang up or they're

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Speaker 1: they did the fire chief. I don't know. Something has

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Speaker 1: we'll have someone on city council or some politicians somewhere

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Speaker 1: whining and wailing about the availability of guns. And yes,

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Speaker 1: you have to keep guns out of the hands of kids,

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Speaker 1: you have to, But it is not the gun that

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Speaker 1: But you know, and do we need a sensible gun

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Speaker 1: control of course we do, and no conservative Republican whoever

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Speaker 1: to look deeper than the instrument that was used to

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Speaker 1: seem to understand that. Well, anyway, let's do this. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a short break and come back and from nine,

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Speaker 1: from nine thirty two ten o'clock, we'll be available for calls.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you want to talk about this

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Speaker 1: They we're back. Mike Allen in for Sloney. As I

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Speaker 1: name of Queener Reid. I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

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Speaker 1: She died at children's hospital yesterday from gunshot wounds she

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Speaker 1: sustained for doing what children do, being in a playground

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Speaker 1: write a worse script than this. Fox nineteen as usual

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Speaker 1: their story reads. The eleven year old girl eleven year

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Speaker 1: She's eleven, as I said, died at Cincinnati Children's on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: According to Cincinnati Police. They say the shooting that killed

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Speaker 1: One officers were flagged down and told that somewhat had

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Speaker 1: is unknown what led to the shooting. You know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit more here. Yeah. Former

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Speaker 1: Chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee, Christopher Smithman

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Speaker 1: will be with us at ten o'clock. The Channel nineteen

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Speaker 1: story goes on. Cincinnati mayoral candidate Corey Bowman is the

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Speaker 1: pastor of the church where some of the seven excuse me,

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Speaker 1: some of the eleven year old's family members attend. He

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Speaker 1: he got a call from her grandmother. And Corey has

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Speaker 1: to him to get his perspective on it. The story

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Speaker 1: assured though, that the Cincinnati Police Department is looking for

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Speaker 1: Are you there? I think I am. Mike Allen, how

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Speaker 3: You know, Mike, I think of what's at play? We

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Speaker 3: And it's a cultural thing that happens in certain parts

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what the last sentence that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was twenty nineteen, twenty twenty story from Fox

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Speaker 3: It's only in certain locations. There's other parts of Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Twenty thousand.

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Speaker 3: thousand bullets flying around, a certain number going to hint

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Speaker 3: innocent people, Oh, of course what and they blame the

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Speaker 3: inanimate object. They blame gun violence. The gun is the problem. No,

432
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Speaker 3: when fifty thousand Americains they're killed every year in car accidents,

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Speaker 3: we don't call it car violence. We say what's wrong

434
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Speaker 3: with the driver of the car or what went wrong.

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Speaker 3: But if it's a gun, all of a sudden, the

436
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Speaker 3: gun by itself is killing killing. I guess one about

437
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: ninety people last year and five hundred were wounded, and

438
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Speaker 3: children are being killed. And so it is not gun

439
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Speaker 3: causing the violence. It is the person operating the gun

440
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Speaker 3: causing the violence. Nothing's going to change until the system changes,

441
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Speaker 3: until fathers stay in the home, until fathers and mothers

442
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Speaker 3: get together and say we're not going to have seventy

443
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Speaker 3: percent of black babies born in Cincinnati without a father

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Speaker 3: in the house.

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Speaker 1: And another teacher told.

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Speaker 3: Me that if you go through high school, there's not

447
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Speaker 3: one kid there other than Walnut.

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Speaker 1: Take the other six six high schools.

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Speaker 3: And once a mother and a father are in the home,

450
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Speaker 3: they got married and they've been there every day of

451
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Speaker 3: the kid's life.

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Speaker 1: It is an anomaly. It's rare.

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Speaker 3: It's a cultural collapse. And secondly, it is not gun violence.

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Speaker 3: It is individuals using guns to commit violence. And that's

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Speaker 3: the difference.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I made a bold prediction, as you used

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Speaker 1: to say, I'll buy a chalk but Sunday, if I'm

458
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Speaker 1: wrong about this, by the end of the day, if

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Speaker 1: it hasn't happened already, some community leader, some person of

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Speaker 1: some statue in the community is going to say, well, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.

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Speaker 1: And they do that, Bill, I think because it's easy

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Speaker 1: when you blame it on an object, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to deal with the person. It's just it's crazy. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let me run something by you. I have a theory,

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Speaker 1: and you know you were kind of a part of

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Speaker 1: it at the time. Okay, go back to like maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't know, mid to late eighties, early nineties. Let's

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Speaker 1: just use the Hamilton County Municipal Court as an example.

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Speaker 1: You were there frequently. I was a city prosecutor there

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Speaker 1: for a while, municipal court judge for a while, saw

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Speaker 1: you a lot down there. And if you remember back

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Speaker 1: in those days, Bill, you walk into those courtrooms and

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Speaker 1: I mean the cops were swinging from the shando. I

474
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Speaker 1: mean they're filled up the jury. They were all over

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Speaker 1: the place. You know, I'm thankfully retired from that now,

476
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Speaker 1: but it hasn't been that long. It's about half of

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Speaker 1: what the police officers, the number of police officers that

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Speaker 1: you see now. And I've talked to Ken Kobra about it,

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Speaker 1: and he agrees with me that the reason is these guys,

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Speaker 1: these men and women, I don't blame them. They're not

481
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Speaker 1: sticking their necks out like they used to is because

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Speaker 1: they're not assured and they don't feel that the city's

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Speaker 1: got their back. The FOP does, but not the city.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think about that? Because

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Speaker 1: you were there, you saw it.

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Speaker 3: There were about twelve municipal courtrooms, which is a lot

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Speaker 3: of times where the minor cases are dealt with, not

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Speaker 3: the felonies right in which the cops from all over

489
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Speaker 3: Hamilton County would sit in the jury box as for

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Speaker 3: an early call, and if you were a person of

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Speaker 3: some status, you might get an early call as an

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Speaker 3: attorney and you'd be there till noon or one o'clock

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Speaker 3: room ay, in which there were two to three hundred

494
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Speaker 3: people present. They were overflowing courtrooms. Less Gaines and I

495
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Speaker 3: would walk around the hallway handing out our car. Do

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Speaker 3: you need some advice, some help, and the system now

497
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Speaker 3: does not encourage your rest. Look at what happened in Red,

498
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Speaker 3: White and Blue Ash when they had those events out there,

499
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Speaker 3: the cop who was shot and the person that did that,

500
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Speaker 3: the charges were dismissed. Cops are told don't pull over

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Speaker 3: individuals when you see somebody speeding. That's why we have

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Speaker 3: speed bumps. Don't want to pull people over. Scottie Johnsons

503
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Speaker 3: have said, too many people have pulled over that looks

504
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Speaker 3: like me. When you pull somebody over for a lifestyle issue,

505
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Speaker 3: it's allowed, it's allowed sounding car, it's a speeding or

506
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Speaker 3: it's leaving your land to travel. You find they got

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Speaker 3: warrants out for their arrest. You find that individuals got

508
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Speaker 3: a gun, that the minimal policing that would keep it

509
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Speaker 3: from mushrooming and the more serious offenses is gone. And

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Speaker 3: a lot of the cops from outside of the Corps

511
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Speaker 3: Cincinnati understand that they don't want to take the time

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Speaker 3: to go out town. And so you have crimes committed

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Speaker 3: in Green Township and it's somewhat unusual for a Green

514
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Speaker 3: Township cop to arrest somebody take them to the justice

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Speaker 3: center because they know they'll be out before the paperwork

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Speaker 3: is done. And Cincinnati, I might it is no different

517
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Speaker 3: than Columbus, are no different than Toledo, no different than

518
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Speaker 3: New York or Atlanta, and which is a soft approach

519
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Speaker 3: to criminal justice, and it has horrible consequences and that's

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Speaker 3: not going to change either. If I'm a cop and

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Speaker 3: I'm told don't be aggressive, don't pull people over if

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Speaker 3: you see somebody littering or smoking a cigarette, a pot,

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Speaker 3: marijuana joint and public lead malone, you get rid of

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Speaker 3: the active policing that often mushrooms in a more serious offenses,

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Speaker 3: and then the cities a safer place. The business leaders

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Speaker 3: don't like it, the judges are okay with it because

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Speaker 3: most are liberal Democrats, and it's not going to change

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Speaker 3: anytime soon. And as a consequence, we have more and

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Speaker 3: more eleven year olds getting shot in playgrounds with individuals

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Speaker 3: that should be locked up or not.

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Speaker 1: You know, and I'll ask you when was the last

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Speaker 1: time limited to the city, maybe a county, but especially

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Speaker 1: in the city, you actually saw a traffic stop, you

534
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Speaker 1: drove by, it doesn't happen. And that's where that's where cops,

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Speaker 1: you know, they would find drugs, they would find weapons,

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Speaker 1: of course, you know, very dangerous and I'm not knocking

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Speaker 1: them at all. And it's not a matter of cowardice.

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Speaker 1: It's a matter of hey man, why am I gonna

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Speaker 1: stick my neck out when I know it's going to

540
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Speaker 1: get chopped off? You know, Bill. I mean, we darn

541
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Speaker 1: near had on the Ohio ballot the last time a

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Speaker 1: proposal for a state constitutional amendment to take away qualified

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Speaker 1: immunity for police officersol which would cause and are some

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Speaker 1: jurisdictions that have done that, which would cause police officers

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Speaker 1: like lawyers have to do, to go out and get

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Speaker 1: malpractice insurance.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy well that provision and in most states, most

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Speaker 3: Blue states have it. If a cop commits a negligent act,

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Speaker 3: not a reckless act or a knowing act, but negligent

550
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Speaker 3: act to which a cop might do on a regular basis,

551
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Speaker 3: it means that if the city doesn't buy him insurance,

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Speaker 3: it means he's not going to make a rest. Because

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00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 3: if you make too many arrests and someone's claims I

554
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: was falsely arrested for god knows what, that means, the

555
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: cop is going to have insurance problems. That means the

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Speaker 3: CoP's not going to get credit cards. That means the

557
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Speaker 3: CoP's not going to have more I'll be able to get,

558
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Speaker 3: in short, not able to buy a house because his

559
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Speaker 3: credit's ruined and so qualified immunity would further destroy law enforcement,

560
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Speaker 3: giving us the Momdanni effect in New York City. And

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Speaker 3: thank god it didn't get on the ballot in Ohio,

562
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Speaker 3: but in other Blue states. Blue states have that, and

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Speaker 3: that's why cops are so passive. They don't want to

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Speaker 3: do anything and want to wait for their pension and

565
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Speaker 3: not to rest anybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and they want to go home to their

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Speaker 1: families at night too. And you know, and some of

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Speaker 1: the young ones I talked to Bill, I know you

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Speaker 1: haven't been down there too much in the last I

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Speaker 1: don't know, no, ten fifteen years. These are really fine

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Speaker 1: young men and women, and they want to go out

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Speaker 1: and be police officers, and they want to go out

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Speaker 1: and be appropriately aggressive. But they're just like you just said,

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Speaker 1: they ain't sticking their neck out. They're just not gonna

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Ken Kober told me the other day, I had him

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Speaker 1: on my Saturday show. This is incredible, Okay, So I

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Speaker 1: guess Ken said that they had funding for fifty new

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Speaker 1: cops Okay, they gave the test and they do whatever

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Speaker 1: they got to do. I think he said they had

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Speaker 1: like twenty they couldn't even fill fifty. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, back in the seventies and early eighties, I

584
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Speaker 1: had to take the test twice because we got laid off.

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Speaker 1: Down there at the convention Center. There are two three

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Speaker 1: thousand people there. People don't want to be police officers anymore.

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Speaker 1: And that's a darn shame too.

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Speaker 3: It's a great profession. And whether it's the Sheriff's department,

589
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Speaker 3: or whether it's the FBI, whether it's whether it's ICE,

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Speaker 3: imagine being an ICE official. I saw last night in

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Speaker 3: Atlanta that several so called prot testers followed the ICE

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Speaker 3: officials around with their with their cell phones taking pictures.

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Speaker 3: They go to a hotel, the ICE officials at night,

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Speaker 3: after rest, they go to a hotel and all night long,

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Speaker 3: these so called protesters kept the ICE officials awake in

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Speaker 3: their rooms by blaring music, yelling and shouting. They called

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Speaker 3: the Atlanta police to come to arrest them, and they

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Speaker 3: said it was First Amendment protected, and they're for these

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Speaker 3: clowns and these fools who don't want the criminals arrested

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Speaker 3: or had the legal right to harass the crap out

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Speaker 3: of law enforcement officials called ICE and it's accepted. And

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Speaker 3: to me that is disgusting. It is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the last time I checked, there's a federal

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Speaker 1: law that says you can't trespass into our country. And

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Speaker 1: by god, ICE is there to enforce that law that

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Speaker 1: Congress promulgated. It's really pretty simple to people like you

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Speaker 1: and I, but others know, Hey, I appreciate you calling in. Bill.

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Speaker 1: You might want to listen if you can, because right after,

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Speaker 1: right after this, after the news, we've got Christopher Smithman

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Speaker 1: coming on, former vice mayor and former chair of law

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Speaker 1: in Public Safety. Then ten thirty Corey Bowman and reading

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you had a chance

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Speaker 1: to yet reading what Corey had to write on it's

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Speaker 1: personal to Corey because that's that's one of his parishioners.

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Speaker 1: I think. So we'll be doing that. But as always,

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Speaker 1: sure appreciate your input. God bless America. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: happy New Year you too. Oh Bearcats, hopefully I don't

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Speaker 1: want I want the Navy to beat the Bearcats. I

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Speaker 1: never root against the Navy. Okay, we shall see Bill,

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Speaker 1: God bless you. Okay, thank you, all right, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad he did that because he's got a he's got

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Speaker 1: a great perspective, obviously, but you know, he toiled in

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Speaker 1: the fields of the criminal justice system back in the day,

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Speaker 1: and it sounds to me like he agrees with me,

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Speaker 1: Ken Kober and the hell of a lot of other people.

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Speaker 1: Take the handcuffs off the cops, let them do their jobs,

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Speaker 1: and crime will go down if, if, and only if

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Speaker 1: they have the port of Cincinnati City Council. The other

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Speaker 1: thing I didn't have time to get into with Bill,

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Speaker 1: but knows about this issue five. Issue five is I

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Speaker 1: believe in two thousand city Charter amendment that took the

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Speaker 1: police chief and the assistance chief assistant chiefs out of

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Speaker 1: civil service. They had no civil service protection. So therefore

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Speaker 1: you can probably get rid of them pretty much at will,

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Speaker 1: although the city seems to be struggling a bit with

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00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: finding a reason to get rid of cheap Fiji. By

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Speaker 1: the way, tomorrow on the Saturday show, not as sure

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Speaker 1: exactly what time yet, but I am going to be

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00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: talking about that and going to have Russ Neville, former

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00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: Cincinnati police Captain, I believe the brother of the chief.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about that whole situation. But hey,

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00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: we got to break for the news now. But when

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00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: we get back, we'll talk to Christopher Smithman. Mike Allen

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Speaker 1: in for Sloane seven hundred WLW. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: be an Americani? Hey, we're back, Mike Allen in four

646
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Speaker 1: Scott's loan.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it seems like. Obviously a new year,

649
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: but the same old stuff. Horrible stuff in the city

650
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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati with respect to the death and the shooting

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Speaker 1: death yesterday of an eleven year old girl, if you

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Speaker 1: can believe that. Here to talk about it is former

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Speaker 1: vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati, former chair of

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Speaker 1: the Law and Public Safety Committee. I'm talking about Christopher Smithman. Christopher,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for calling in this morning.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks Mike. You know it's a somber mourning for

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Speaker 2: both of us, yep, and I want to I want

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Speaker 2: to extend my condolences. I'm sure you do too, to

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Speaker 2: the family who lost an eleven year old child. You know,

660
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Speaker 2: I have been very public having lost a spouse to

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Speaker 2: breast cancer. But there's there there is in my mind,

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Speaker 2: there's no comparison to the loss of a child. No,

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Speaker 2: that's another level down. And to lose a child like

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Speaker 2: this so senseless. The child was doing, Mike Allen, what

665
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: I did as a kid, played in the park. This

666
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Speaker 2: is what we tell the kids to do. And she

667
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: shot and murdered in the West End. And a lot

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Speaker 2: of people who are listening to us probably don't even

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Speaker 2: know this story that a young lady, an eleven year

670
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Speaker 2: old child was killed in the West End right near

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Speaker 2: the FC Stadium. Yeah, and this community, Mike Allen has

672
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Speaker 2: been requesting cameras in lights from this council and this

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Speaker 2: mayor for.

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Speaker 1: Years, for years that came through. They had somebody and well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a family member or parishioner,

676
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Speaker 1: of course, you know, I mean, this is Corey Bowman's parish,

677
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Speaker 1: if you will, his congregants. And it seems to me

678
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: he's taking it very personally, not politically at all. It's

679
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: all personal. It's all in his role as a minute.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, it's a long way saying he's saying the

681
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: same thing too, Christopher. You know they've been asking for

682
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Speaker 1: a long long time for it, And you make the

683
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Speaker 1: point too. I don't care if you live in Indian Hill.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you live in del Hi. I

685
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Speaker 1: don't care if you live in Amberley Village. I don't

686
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Speaker 1: care if you live in Over the Rhine. When you

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Speaker 1: send your eleven year old out, you expect to play

688
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Speaker 1: on a playground. You expect them to come home. You

689
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Speaker 1: don't expect them to be shot dead. It's just staggering

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 5: It's staggering.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to say a couple of comments because

693
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Speaker 2: I think everything flows through politics at some level, because

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Speaker 2: the mythshap here, and I hope City Hall is listening

695
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: because there's a high level of incompetence there that we

696
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: should know already. If they had placed the cameras there,

697
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Speaker 2: we'd have the offenders. The problem is that council doesn't

698
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Speaker 2: care about it is if the West End voted for

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Speaker 2: this council and this mayor, overwhelmingly Mike Allen, elections have consequences.

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Speaker 2: They hate to hear that, but this is what you

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Speaker 2: voted for. You kept asking the city Hall to bring

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00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: cameras and lights. Your Corey Bowman's there, his name was

703
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Speaker 2: on the ballot, his church is there. You didn't vote

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Speaker 2: for him. You voted for this mayor and this council

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Speaker 2: that continue to refuse to bring lights and cameras to

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Speaker 2: an area that is riddled with bullets. And you have

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Speaker 2: yuppies and buppies that are down there going to procter

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Speaker 2: and gamble living in those five or six hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars condos with bullets going through their windows. But they

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00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: still voted for this democratic mayor and democratic council. No cameras,

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Speaker 2: no lights, Dead eleven year olds in the park doing

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Speaker 2: what any eleven year old would be doing. Mike Allan,

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Speaker 2: the last thing I want to say to you is

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Speaker 2: that you're my white brother, and I'm going to inject

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Speaker 2: race in this conversation. There are seventy there are you

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Speaker 2: care you are my white brother. There are white brothers

717
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Speaker 2: and sisters all over the county who care about African

718
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: Americans being murdered senselessly in our streets. Period. This notion

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Speaker 2: that white Americans don't care about Americans whether they're black, Latino,

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Speaker 2: whether they're white, whether they're Asian, wherever you live, who

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Speaker 2: are being senselessly murdered in our streets, that is a

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Speaker 2: policy that I must address. You care deeply about these

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Speaker 2: Americans that are losing their lives at this notion that

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Speaker 2: the Democrats keep pushing that black lives matter, you cannot

725
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Speaker 2: see it with their public policy. These are Democrats whoul saying, man,

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Speaker 2: I really care about black lives matter. We got a

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Speaker 2: mural in front of city Hall black lives matter. But

728
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Speaker 2: when the west end comes and says, I like some

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Speaker 2: cameras and I like some life down here, they do nothing.

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Speaker 1: You're exactly right, Christopher, and you outline the problem perfectly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care, and the white people I

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Speaker 1: know don't care if the guys, if the person is pink,

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Speaker 1: polka dot, green, orange or yellow, it doesn't matter. What

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Speaker 1: matters is that is an eleven year old fifth grader.

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Speaker 1: And the same thing with young Dominic Davis who was

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Speaker 1: shot very close to their as ioners stand that about

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Speaker 1: three years ago, Christopher, you outlined the problem as well

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Speaker 1: as I've heard anybody do it. Here's the problem, though,

739
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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do about it? You saw

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Speaker 1: the result, well, you were in it. I mean the

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Speaker 1: results of that last election I lost. Yeah, I know,

742
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Speaker 1: and you shouldn't have. But I mean, what do you

743
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Speaker 1: do in a situation like that? What can you do

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Speaker 1: if people just are going to vote that party ticket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just pray that one day enough will be enough.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired. I think there were seventy murders last year

747
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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. Every decade we're losing seven hundred people. Just

748
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Speaker 2: think about a high school. They're high schools that don't

749
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Speaker 2: have seven hundred students in the high school. Every decade

750
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: in the city, we're riping out entire high schools, and

751
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Speaker 2: definitely of our big schools, we're killing off the entire

752
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Speaker 2: senior and junior classes at most of our schools. Every

753
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: decade in Cincinnati, and we're numb to it. Seventy people

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Speaker 2: lost their lives. As the majority of those people that

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00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: lost their lives are African Americans. There's a mural in

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Speaker 2: front of city Hall that says Black lives Matter. You

757
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: would never know it from the public policy that's coming

758
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: from city Hall because, you know what, they're focused on

759
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 2: speed bumps across the city. They're focused on street cars, right,

760
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: They're focused on FC stadiums. They're so distracted and they're

761
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Speaker 2: not focused on the people who are suffering in the streets.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is an epidemic of rate proportion think

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Speaker 2: about this last thing I make about this. Look about

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Speaker 2: this the Iraq War. I estimate that over four thousand

765
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Speaker 2: people lost their lives in the entire Iraq War. We

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Speaker 2: are probably losing seven to eight thousand people to gun

767
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Speaker 2: violence easily across the United States of America every year,

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Speaker 2: every single year. And the most of those people are

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Speaker 2: black and brown people. Whether it's la whether it's Detroit,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Chicago, whether it's Cincinnati, whether it's Dayton, whether

771
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Speaker 2: it's Cleveland, these are all democratically run city and that

772
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Speaker 2: is where you are seeing the highest level of gun

773
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Speaker 2: violence and the murder rates of black and brown people.

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Speaker 2: We're losing more people every year than we lost in

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Speaker 2: the entire Iraq War. Get the gun violence and murders,

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Speaker 2: and guess where the Democrats sit there and they playcate.

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00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: They send out the sample ballots, and these communities vote

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Speaker 2: for them over and over again. So I'm answering your

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00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna take them to wake up today.

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00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: I want to do something very different. But I'm tired

781
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: of the gun violence and the death And it's not

782
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: Mike Allen, because law abiding citizens have guns. So what

783
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: the Democrats will do is to all man, we got

784
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Speaker 2: to stop selling guns. We got a legal guns. Exactly

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Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Human beings pull the trigger.

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Speaker 2: What we have are judges that are not holding these

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Speaker 2: people accountable when they come to them with a gun

788
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Speaker 2: on their lap, on their person, shooting. We don't have

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Speaker 2: a Hamilton County judicial system that is willing to hold

790
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Speaker 2: people accountable who have guns and exercise this kind of

791
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Speaker 2: violence with our community.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you're right, and you talk about holding people accountable.

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Speaker 1: It leads me into what I want to ask you

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Speaker 1: before we talk about the police chief. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you saw it. Christopher. One of the people that

796
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Speaker 1: was involved in what I referred to as the downtown

797
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Speaker 1: beat down, Ayisha Devon, twenty six years old. He was

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Speaker 1: locked up, I believe in this with a pretty high bond.

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Speaker 1: The judge let her out on EMU Well. Apparently over

800
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Speaker 1: the holidays twenty fourth, twenty fifth, and twenty sixth, she

801
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: violated that. And I know this because I was in

802
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: the system. They monitor that closely, the Probation Department does.

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00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Apparently she went out one of those nights, drove over

804
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Speaker 1: to Kentucky and was at a liquor store. Trying to

805
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Speaker 1: buy a liquor. Well, she's back in jail now with

806
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: no bond. But I guess the point of bringing this

807
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: up is it seems like it's a never ending battle

808
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Speaker 1: and I don't know. I mean, I don't know the

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Speaker 1: full facts of it, Like presumably the judge did, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that person should have been out

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Speaker 1: at all.

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Speaker 2: Look, we have a big election next year. Leah dink

813
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: and Lacker Lacker on public mispronouncing her last name, But

814
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: Leah dink and Locker is running for re election in

815
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Speaker 2: Hamilton County. We want to vote for her. We got Winkler,

816
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: we want to vote for him. We've got to make

817
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: sure that the Vet Ramaswami wins the governor's office. I'm

818
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 2: saying we have some big races in twenty twenty six,

819
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: and this is part of the penicillin. We can't just

820
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: surrender our state, our county, our local governments to one

821
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: party and what we have here. It never works, in

822
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: my opinion, if all the Republicans are running it, if

823
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: all the Democrats are running it, it's never good. You

824
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: want to have a balance of ideas and parties. Who

825
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: are a part of our board, who are part of

826
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: the board of directors and who are governing. But back

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Speaker 2: to this point, the penicillin is the community has to

828
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: wake up. We've got to start walking around thinking white

829
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Speaker 2: people don't support us, white people aren't interested in this stuff.

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00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: Everybody is a racist. Mean, this notion continues to be

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Speaker 2: pushed out, and then we see them handling these massive

832
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: contracts out to somebody like Irish Roley. Nobody knows what

833
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: she's doing. You start seeing the talking about street cars

834
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: which make no sense. You see them undermining our police department,

835
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Speaker 2: not empowering them to do proactive policing, not putting up cameras,

836
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Speaker 2: not putting up lights, not being responsive to the Western community.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I hope they're listening, and I

838
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: hope they at least respond to this conversation. All of

839
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: us should be writing the members of council and the

840
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Speaker 2: mayor saying, why didn't you have cameras and lights up

841
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: this lady. You might not have prevented her being shot,

842
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 2: but what you at least would do is have somebody

843
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Speaker 2: arrested this morning because you had cameras up.

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Speaker 1: You would think, you know, I mean you would and

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Speaker 1: if you had Christopher Smitheman on that councilor if you

846
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: had Corey Bowman as mayor, if you had if you

847
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Speaker 1: had Donnie Dreehouse independent on the on the council, you

848
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: had Liz Keating Peter, Yeah right, Steve Good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing them out there, Christopher. I think you'd

850
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Speaker 1: have people that were clamoring for answers and to get

851
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Speaker 1: things done. But what we have in this city, Christopher,

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Speaker 1: I know you know this already. You know you've got

853
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Speaker 1: the city administration that goes out and hires a law firm,

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Speaker 1: a very very good and highly ethical law firm, Frost

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Speaker 1: Brown Todd. Yeah, never say it. I'm not saying anything

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Speaker 1: against them. They don't have a reason to fire her.

857
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Speaker 1: So well, okay, let's extend the contract. Try a little harder,

858
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's preposterous.

859
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: Look, here's the fact here, this family we're talking about

860
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: the Neville family. Yes, Chief Fiji, who is the police officer,

861
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: that is her married name, She is a Nevill That

862
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: that family has two hundred and fifty years of police

863
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: service in our city and in our county. That is

864
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: just a fact. They still have young people that are

865
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: serving right now for the Sheriff's department and different local

866
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: police jurisdictions across our county. This is a very respected family.

867
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: Number two, Chief Fiji, I know personally when I was

868
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: the vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati. She's a

869
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: true professional and has never had a write up in

870
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: her file in thirty five years. Never. That's from being

871
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: a parole, a patrol officer all the way to being

872
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: an assistant chief to being a chief Frost, Brown, and Todd.

873
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 2: They're going to have a hard time finding why this

874
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: termination took place and why it took place the way

875
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: it did. What's going to happen is there's going to

876
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: be judgment bonds that are issued. They're going to pay

877
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: out a big check to her to her lawyers because

878
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: the city law firm and their lawyers are representing her,

879
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: and they also will pay a big checkout to Chief Washington.

880
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: These were derelict and disrespectful terminations and shouldn't happen. And community,

881
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: please listen to what I'm sharing with you. There is

882
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: nothing in Chief Fiji's file that would say she should

883
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: have been terminated. Remember the mayor was saying crime was down,

884
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 2: everybody was safe. You're literally saying the chief was doing

885
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 2: a great job. All of a sudden in the middle

886
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: of the election, you're looking for a scapegoat. He didn't

887
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 2: know where this election was going. Let's fire her. And

888
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: that's what he did.

889
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: For what I mean, you know the thing of it is.

890
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 1: And boy, they're in this fight for the long haul.

891
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: I've got Russ Neville coming on tomorrow my Saturday show

892
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: to talk about it. They are all over this. I mean,

893
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm not hearing anything like, well, okay, we'll run up

894
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 1: the white flag and you know, get eight million dollars

895
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: from the city, like the fire chief is going to.

896
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: They're fighting it. That family is and you point out

897
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: that they are probably no probably about it, the most

898
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: premier law enforcement family in this city that I know.

899
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: I go back to their father, Gary Neville, who was

900
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: the chief or excuse me, the captain at District three,

901
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: A wonderful man, a role model to young people like

902
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: me at the time coming up. You just don't treat

903
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: people like you don't treat anyone like that. But you

904
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: don't someone who's a member of that family like that.

905
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: You just don't do it.

906
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 2: No, and people will, you know, when I put on

907
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: my social media account, which is access at vote Smitham

908
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: and people would say, well, you know this is not

909
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 2: about the family. Yes, it is. Integrity matters. Your last

910
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: name matters my mother. Just say to me, your your

911
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: last name is on loan smitheman, don't this is a

912
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: loan to you. You know you can't just destroy the name.

913
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: The point is that I don't think that this mayor

914
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 2: who is from Dayton understood we're talking about mayor pure

915
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 2: of all, understood.

916
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 6: Who Chief Fiji was.

917
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 2: And he didn't understand the Neville family as they pulled

918
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 2: the trigger here. Because you have somebody from North College

919
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: Hill who's the city manager. You also didn't have a

920
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: mayor that has that lived and went to high school

921
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 2: in Dayton, Ohio. They have no understanding of the Neville family.

922
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: This is not gonna fly. They're they're not gonna find

923
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 2: a jury or a judge that's going to look at

924
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: Chief Fiji and say, hey, this was a right termination

925
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 2: because there's nothing in her file. I want to reiterate

926
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: to the public. I'm the outgoing Vice mayor of the

927
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati, Chair of Law in Public Safety for

928
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,959
Speaker 2: the City of Cincinnati. I work personally with chieftg There

929
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: is nothing in her file.

930
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: Nope, you know, and everybody seems to know that. But

931
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: the city administration and you know, and they're in they're

932
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: in for a battle. I mean, if you go look

933
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: at some of the the op eds that have been written,

934
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not backing down. So anyway, we'll see

935
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: where it goes. Got to let you go. Christopher up

936
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: next to Corey Bowman though, and I know Corey's this

937
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: is from what I'm reading, it's personally him and I

938
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: certainly understand that, and we'll get his story listening.

939
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: Mike Allah, thank you so much. I really appreciate you.

940
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: Happy New Year to you and your family too. And

941
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm so sad that it started off with an eleven

942
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: year old girl losing her life on a playground in

943
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: the West.

944
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: Dya God bless absolutely thank you, Christopher, thank you. Okay,

945
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: that last thing he said just sums it all up.

946
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: It's not the way you wanted to start the year.

947
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: But anyway, we got to take a break for the news.

948
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: But when we get back Corey Bowman, we're going to

949
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: get his take on this. Mike Allen in for Slowey

950
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. I actually know that one smooth criminal

951
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. I think that's the first. Okay, maybe that hey, listen,

952
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: moving along here on a very very very serious subject.

953
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, we all woke up this morning to the

954
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: news that although we are in a new year, things

955
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: are unfortunately pretty much the same, at least early out

956
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: of the shoot in the city of Cincinnati. The horrible

957
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: moves and I mean I literally woke up to it

958
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: and turned on TV and heard about it, the shooting

959
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: death of are you ready? An eleven year old girl

960
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: on a playground in the West End, And it's just heartbreaking.

961
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: There's no other way to look at it. You know,

962
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: I tell you all all the time, and you're sick

963
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: of hearing it. I've been in the system fifty one

964
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: years and no matter what, you just never never get

965
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: used to something like this. Here to talk about it

966
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: is someone who it is personal to, not for political reasons,

967
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: but because he has a connection with this young woman,

968
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: this eleven year old and her family and friends. I'm

969
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: talking about Corey Bowman. Corey was the Republican candidate for

970
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: mayor of Cincinnati in last year's election. As I understand

971
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: that the family are congregants of Corey's at the River

972
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: Church in the West End. Corey, thanks so much for calling.

973
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 6: In, and Mike, thank you so much for having.

974
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: Me accurate what I stated. I was kind of shooting

975
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: from the hip there, but I did get a chance

976
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: to read some of what you posted on X and

977
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: it sure seems like it's personal to you, not political.

978
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: Is that a fair statement.

979
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 6: Well, that's the thing. It's always been personal to me.

980
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 5: I know.

981
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was an election year last year, but all

982
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 6: the issues that we were standing for was things that

983
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 6: we had experienced firsthand in the four and now five

984
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 6: years of pastoring in the city. And last night, I'm

985
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 6: on my way to Greaters. I had a date night

986
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 6: with my wife. I think it was our first date

987
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 6: night in six months, and we had gone to OTR

988
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 6: and then I picked up my kids and we were

989
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 6: about to go to Greaters And as we were on

990
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 6: our way, I get a call from a church member

991
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 6: and there was a grandmother of the eleven year old.

992
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 6: Her name's Queen, and she just basically was hysterical on

993
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 6: the phone, you know, and just said the situation. And

994
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 6: we dropped everything and drove straight to Children's hospital and

995
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 6: we had been there for the family. You know, I

996
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 6: had known the daughter, which was the mother of the

997
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 6: of the child, and then I got a chance to

998
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 6: meet the father for the first time there and spoke

999
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 6: with me and the family members that I've met over

1000
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 6: the years in the West End, and it was just

1001
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 6: about it as terrible of a situation that you could

1002
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 6: imagine from anybody's perspective.

1003
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: And you hit the nail on the head there. I mean,

1004
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: it's impossible to imagine that. Uh, they are members of

1005
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: your congregation?

1006
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 6: Is that?

1007
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Is that accurate, Corey?

1008
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 6: So the grandmother has been a member of our church

1009
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 6: for years, and it was about because the daughter, you know,

1010
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 6: without getting too much detail, you know, the daughter actually

1011
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 6: has gone back and forth between Columbus and Cincinnati with

1012
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 6: her parents. To my understanding, she was an honorable student,

1013
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 6: straight a student, eleven year old girl, nothing you know,

1014
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 6: crazy about. She was just visiting her dad and her

1015
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,959
Speaker 6: grandma and she used to be a student Hayes Porter

1016
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 6: Elementary as well, and she just went out about six

1017
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 6: o'clock and said, you know, Grandma, I'm going out to play.

1018
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 6: And it was the park right across the street from

1019
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 6: the house. We were there last night, looking across the

1020
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 6: street from the house there, and they heard gunshots in

1021
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 6: the entire neighborhood realized what happened once everybody came out

1022
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 6: and saw that she had been a part of a crossfire.

1023
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you, as a pastor, Corey, how

1024
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: do you deal with that? I mean, obviously, you're a

1025
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: human being, and you're a very kind human being, so

1026
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: that kicks in. But as a pastor, how do you

1027
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: console members of the congregation or anyone when something like

1028
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: this happens. I mean, honestly, I don't know that i'd

1029
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: know what to say.

1030
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 6: Well, I think the biggest thing that we have to

1031
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 6: realize is that we're living in a world to where

1032
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 6: there's a lot of divisiveness. There's a lot of things

1033
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 6: that we can disagree on, but you know, there's nothing

1034
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 6: more important than human life, no matter what side you're on.

1035
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter what a political persuasion might be, It doesn't

1036
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 6: matter what background, what race, or creed. The life of

1037
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 6: a human is the most precious thing that God has

1038
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 6: ever given us. And I think that that's one of

1039
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 6: the biggest things that we're losing side of is the

1040
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 6: importance of life. Now, it hits a little harder when

1041
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 6: you hear that's eleven year old girl that had her

1042
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,439
Speaker 6: whole life ahead of her. All she was simply doing

1043
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 6: was you know, playing with her cousin, who had witnessed

1044
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 6: the whole thing, was standing right next to her, and

1045
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 6: her cousin, who was another teenage girl, was the only

1046
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 6: one that stuck with her while everybody else was running

1047
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 6: and it's just not a good situation for her. But

1048
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 6: we were with them at the children's hospital and then

1049
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 6: we came back to the West End and I kind

1050
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 6: of used some contacts I had had to make sure

1051
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 6: that the area was protected and because you never know

1052
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 6: in situations like that, going to drive by and who

1053
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 6: wants to do something stupid. And we were just there

1054
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 6: to be there for the family, get them some pizzas

1055
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 6: and pray with them. And in a situation like that,

1056
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 6: it's not about having solutions, it's just about having peace

1057
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 6: and just comforting people. And ultimately you can only do

1058
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 6: that by a strong spiritual relationship with the Lord, because

1059
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 6: he's the one that brings the ultimate comfort in a

1060
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 6: situation like that. I've been in many situations as a passor.

1061
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 6: It's where you look at people in the eye they

1062
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 6: are going through a heartache like that, and they'll look

1063
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 6: at me and they'll say, I don't know how somebody

1064
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 6: can do this and not believe in God though, or

1065
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 6: not rely on God, because if you don't have a

1066
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 6: relationship with the Lord, then you'll lose it. And I

1067
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 6: think that's one of the defining things about what we

1068
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 6: do in our mission for not only for our church,

1069
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 6: but just in our lives. Pursuit is bringing that peace

1070
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Speaker 6: and that hope to people even in their hardest times.

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Speaker 1: You know, you are literally and figuratively, but I think

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01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: more literally doing the Lord's work in that situation, Corey,

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01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the family appreciates that. I can't imagine

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01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: anything tougher than that, but you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: We just talked to Christopher Smithman and I asked the

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01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: same question to him. When an eleven year old girl,

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01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't care where she lives OTR, West End, East End,

1078
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: Green Township, Indian Hill, can't go to a playground to

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01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: play or just associate with her friends. We got problems

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01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: in this city, we got problems in this country. Honestly,

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm usually not without some kind of solution when it

1082
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: has to deal with a law enforcement criminal justice situation,

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01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: or at least a proposed solution. But I don't know

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01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: what you do about this. You know better than anybody,

1085
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: and I know you don't want to make this political.

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01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: I get that. But when you got eighty percent of

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: the city that want to vote for one political party

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01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: that I don't want to say they don't care, I'll

1089
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: be slee They care, but don't have the solutions and

1090
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: don't seem to want to try anything. I mean, what

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01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: do you do? What can you do? Well?

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Speaker 6: Mike, what I would say too, I mean, you have

1093
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 6: you know, the background that you have in law enforcement, prosecuting.

1094
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 6: You know that there's simple methods compat in crime. I

1095
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 6: think the biggest you know, from a practical aspect, you

1096
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 6: were understaffed from a Cincinnati police department. We have to recruit,

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01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 6: we have to bring the complement levels up. We're twenty

1098
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 6: percent understaffed right now. Have to enforce lateral hiring, aggressive

1099
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 6: lateral hiring all year long to bring these these numbers up.

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01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 6: The police have to know that the criminals are going

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01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 6: to be held accountable. You know, the judges cannot just

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 6: release these repeat defenders on a street. Because this is

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 6: a thing everybody wants to make this about, you know,

1104
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 6: even a wider black issue. But when you talk to

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01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 6: people on the streets, the criminals do not represent the

1106
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 6: community that was affected last night. These are people that

1107
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 6: are repeat offenders. They are criminals that deserve to be

1108
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 6: locked up, and everybody in the community knows this. And

1109
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,439
Speaker 6: this is the problem, is that because we have lack

1110
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 6: of judges, a lot of these criminals just get released

1111
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 6: right back out on the street. But then this is

1112
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 6: something that I realized even more so last night, was

1113
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 6: through the campaign. You know, I've had the opportunity to

1114
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 6: get a lot of contacts with the Cincinni Police Department.

1115
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 6: So I was doing everything I could to try to

1116
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 6: work at because there was a crazy situation with coroner

1117
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 6: and just you know, viewing of the body and everything.

1118
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 6: So it's just you know, processes that it's very hard

1119
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 6: to go through in a situation like that. So I

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 6: was trying to help the family navigate through that. But

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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 6: when we came to the park, you know, it's about

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01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 6: you know, maybe ten eleven o'clock, and you know, in

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01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 6: that community, people are going to show up to the

1124
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 6: door have their condolences. We're going to be outside we're

1125
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 6: going to be talking about the memories of the girl

1126
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 6: and just kind of comfort each other. And so I noticed,

1127
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 6: we all noticed that there was several cars that would

1128
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 6: drive by slowly with tinted windows. I mean there's tents

1129
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 6: of windows on about every car. But everybody would like

1130
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 6: have a knee jerk reaction because they don't know who's

1131
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 6: going to try to drive by and pull something else,

1132
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 6: maybe a hit on the family, or you have no clue.

1133
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 6: So I called up, you know, some people, and I said, hey,

1134
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 6: can we have some police presence at the park right here?

1135
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 6: And it wasn't to kick anybody out of the park,

1136
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 6: It wasn't to do any of that. It was just

1137
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 6: simply just to provide protection. So when the cops showed up,

1138
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 6: a lot of people in the community were like, what

1139
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 6: are they doing here? They don't need to be here

1140
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 6: because they need to let us grieve. And I looked

1141
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 6: at them all I said, no, I called them in

1142
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 6: for us. They are here for you to protect you.

1143
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 6: You guys, do whatever you need to do to grieve

1144
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 6: in this park, but these cops are here to make

1145
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 6: sure that your family and everybody is safe. And it

1146
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 6: bridged that gap between the cops and the commune that

1147
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 6: they so desperately want to protect and serve. And in

1148
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 6: my mind as a pastor, it's a no brainer. But

1149
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 6: as a city official and elected leader, that is your

1150
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 6: job to bridge that gap between these amazing officers that

1151
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 6: want to protect and serve the community and the community

1152
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 6: that they serve. At City Hall right now, we have

1153
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 6: elected officials, consultants, contractors and people that are doing everything

1154
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 6: they can to divide the community from the cops. And

1155
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 6: last night was proved to me that we need leadership

1156
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 6: to step up and bridge that gap. I'm calling upon

1157
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 6: Councilman Scottie Johnson. He's got a background in the police force.

1158
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 6: He and other council members have the amazing opportunity to

1159
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 6: bridge this gap, to show the community that the cops

1160
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 6: are there for them. And if we can't bridge that gap,

1161
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 6: then the crime is continuing to rise and the crime

1162
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 6: will continue to affect families like it did last night.

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Speaker 1: Very very well ed, Corey very well said, you know,

1164
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of along the lines of what you were talking

1165
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: about with respect to responsibility and things of that nature.

1166
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: I know you were preoccupied, you might not have seen,

1167
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: but I guess overnight a story Fox nineteen about what

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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: I refer to the downtown beatdown. One of the suspects

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01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: that was locked up initially on no bond changed bond

1170
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: to EMU Electronic Monitoring. That person is now in custody

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01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: again with no bond because she violated the conditions of EMU. Apparently,

1172
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: according to the complaint that's in the official court file,

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01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: this person just said the hell with it and went

1174
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: over to northern Kentucky and was caught at a liquor

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01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: store buying liquor. She had violated three times. And I

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Speaker 1: guess the point in mentioning that is sometimes in this city,

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01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, do you have any comment on that,

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01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: any thoughts about it.

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Speaker 7: No.

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01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 6: I just think that goes right in line with what

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01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 6: we're seeing. You know. The heartbreaking thing last night was

1183
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 6: I'm mom the stoop with the family and we're sitting

1184
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 6: there talking and they said, well, are there any cameras up?

1185
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 6: And I mean there could be one or two cameras

1186
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 6: in the air, Whe'll know. I mean we're one hundred

1187
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 6: yards away from a two hundred and fifty million dollars stadium.

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01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 6: You'd think there'd be some type of you know, security

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01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 6: in the area. But they said they told us that

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01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 6: the cameras would be up when dom was shot. Well,

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01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 6: they're talking about Dominick that was shot two years ago

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01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 6: in the West. And then yeah, and then they said, well,

1193
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 6: do you think that they'll catch whoever did this? And

1194
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 6: then another person said, well, they didn't catch whoever did

1195
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 6: it to Chrissy. Well, they're talking about Krishana Win who

1196
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 6: was a single mom of five who got shot two

1197
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 6: blocks away from where I kept my family y'uring the

1198
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 6: election and she got gunned down and they still haven't

1199
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 6: found the suspect, even though they have a clear picture

1200
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 6: of the faith of the man that did it. And

1201
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 6: so these are things to where the community has lost

1202
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 6: hope in the system and the system has failed them

1203
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 6: time and time again while telling them that the system

1204
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 6: is on their side. And I'm here just say that

1205
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 6: we need to hold elected officials, leaders and anybody else

1206
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 6: available accountable for this, and just to say hey, it's

1207
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 6: not it's not a way to have a blame game.

1208
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 6: It's about we need to come together and say this

1209
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 6: is more than red or blue, This is more than

1210
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 6: right or left. This is about right and wrong. This

1211
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 6: is about helping people. And this same grandmother is staying

1212
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 6: in housing that I've been fighting all year because the

1213
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 6: housing is city funded and has been treating their tenants

1214
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 6: like garbage, and she's been suffering from black mold. And

1215
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 6: so this isn't just a crime issue. This has concentrated poverty,

1216
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 6: treating people like garbage and then not providing them any

1217
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 6: way out of poverty. And then all of a sudden

1218
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 6: you see a rise in crime and you say, hey,

1219
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 6: how can we combat this? Well, there's simple things that

1220
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 6: we can then, but that's why we need competent leadership

1221
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,520
Speaker 6: to really have the city at the heart of their priorities.

1222
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: It has to be, has to be. And you know,

1223
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to cast any aspersions. I mean, it's

1224
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: what all of about eleven o'clock, but I mean I

1225
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: haven't earn anything from anybody as far as a public

1226
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: statement goes from the city. I hope that is forthcoming.

1227
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to see one thing in your

1228
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: statement of a very lengthy, very good statement on X

1229
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: that you put out kind of an insinuation that the

1230
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: people at Children's were not as sensitive as perhaps they

1231
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: could be. It's a tough, tough job. I think you

1232
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: are nurses and things like that, But is there anything

1233
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: you wanted to say about that, Corey, I wanted to

1234
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:44,480
Speaker 1: give you the opportunity.

1235
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 6: Well, first off, this isn't any knock on any specific

1236
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 6: nurses or general group of people that work to go

1237
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 6: through these very tough situations in the urgent care, in

1238
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 6: the emergency room. I mean to be there in a

1239
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 6: regular hospital, to be there in the children's hostil you

1240
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 6: see the worst of the worst. But when I walked

1241
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 6: in and these are just microtiques and things that I

1242
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 6: just don't think we're done right. Was when I walked in,

1243
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 6: the entire family was in the crowded lobby and there

1244
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 6: was no private area, there was no counseling area, there

1245
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 6: was no anything, and they were all just grieving and

1246
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 6: just going through the hardest situation you could ever imagine exactly.

1247
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 6: And I'm sorry. I know that there's protocol or whatever,

1248
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 6: but you don't need to have all these social workers

1249
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 6: come in with mass on that do not have any

1250
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 6: sense of showing their face and showing empathy. All of

1251
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 6: them have masks and they just seem very militant and

1252
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 6: very like just not sensitive to the situation. Maybe it's

1253
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 6: because they've gone through it over and over and over.

1254
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 6: But the thing that got me was that the detectives

1255
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 6: were in and they brought the mother who was not

1256
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 6: in the best situation at all, and the teenage girl

1257
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,679
Speaker 6: cousin who had witnessed the whole thing. Where they bring them, Well,

1258
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 6: the mother grabbed my arm and said, pastors, stay with me.

1259
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 6: The pastors stay with me. So I walked them. They

1260
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,520
Speaker 6: walked them to some random maintenance closet by the elevators,

1261
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 6: and the detectives brought each of them in individually, wouldn't

1262
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 6: let anybody in this dark room with them or whatever.

1263
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 6: And I was just sitting outside the door, just wanting

1264
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 6: to comfort and it just in my mind. You know,

1265
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 6: I know there's protocols and processes, there's people that are above,

1266
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 6: you know, Mike Paygray, that know more about this than me.

1267
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 6: But the process from start to finish of how to

1268
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 6: deal with this grieving family was not the best. And

1269
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 6: then on top of that, the number one reason why

1270
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 6: they're in the waiting room is because they're wanting to

1271
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 6: see their daughter. They're at least wanting to have some

1272
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 6: type of closure and then all of a sudden, all

1273
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 6: the social workers and the staff come out. There's about

1274
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 6: three or four of them. And as they come out,

1275
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 6: they're all wearing masks, not you know, just no you know,

1276
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 6: look on their face so you can see any empathy.

1277
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 6: And they say, the coroner has already arrived and you're

1278
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 6: not going to be able to see your daughter. Well,

1279
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 6: the mother is not in a good position there, and

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, the entire family is trying to

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Speaker 6: calm her down. And then in the middle of all that,

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 6: in the middle of everything trying to be calmed down,

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01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 6: the family estate is said that or they're told there's

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01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 6: nothing more to do. We need everybody that's in your

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01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 6: party to be out of the lobby. So essentially, in

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01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 6: the politest way possible, they're kicking the entire Morning family

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01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 6: after they just found out they're not going to be

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01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 6: able to see their girl until she's released to the

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 6: funeral home. And then they're the only thing that they

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01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 6: offer is we can uber anybody that needs to be ubered.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: And then as we're out, and then as we're out,

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01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 6: you want to talk about communication, You want to talk

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01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 6: about near the perception. As we come out a cop.

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01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 6: A Cincinnati Police Department cop pulls up to the front

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 6: entrance because he was called by the staff just to

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01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 6: ensure that there wasn't a scene out front.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, and you know, it sounds

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01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: like some training would be appropriate for that. You know,

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01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: we're about out of time, Corey. I'm really glad that

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: you shared that though. One last question though, is there

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01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: anything that you know of that folks can do go

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01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: fund me, Paige or anything to help this family, because

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: my guess is a lot of people would want to do.

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01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 6: Well, the first thing is that whenever these situations happen,

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01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 6: there's so much an outpouring of support and people that

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01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 6: want to get behind it. I mean, as far as

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 6: our church members go, we already have church members that

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01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 6: are cooking meals for them and doing everything they can.

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 6: You know, cash happen whatever. But I talked with the grandmother.

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01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 6: I'm hoping to talk with her more today and just say, hey,

1313
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 6: figure out by the family where the funds need to go,

1314
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 6: where it's needed most. And once we know that, the

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 6: funds will be secured for a specific purpose, because you

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 6: know how that goes. Once you get called, there's a

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01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 6: lot of divisions stuff. So that's just something I'm navigating

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01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 6: through as the pastor, and I told them, once we

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01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 6: know for sure where the funds are going to go,

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01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 6: then we will start to go fund me and we

1321
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 6: will drive that to wherever outsource outlets that we can,

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01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 6: and we can do our best to help this family out.

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01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 6: And I believe there's going to be an outpouring of support,

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 6: but we have to start it off right to know

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01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 6: where the funds are going and where the help is

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 6: going to go, so it's not going to be misappropriated

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01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 6: like many funds urned well.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, that's very very smart, very appropriate

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01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: to So, Hey, I can't tell you how much I

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01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: appreciate this, Corey. I mean, it's a tough deal for you,

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01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: but really really appreciate it, and also appreciate your mentoring,

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01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: if you will, of that family and taking care spiritually

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01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: of that family during their time of need. I appreciate it.

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01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: I know the community does too.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely well. Thank you Mike Allan for your show and

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01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 6: for having us on. And I would just encourage any

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01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 6: listener just be in prayer for our city, be in

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 6: prayer for this family that peace comes upon them. And

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01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 6: then just you know, pray for proper solutions for our

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01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 6: city so that things like this don't happen.

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01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, all right, thanks again, really appreciate it. Corey

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01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: Bowman all right, well, I'll tell you it's I'm just

1343
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: kind of speechless. But anyway, gotta have to take a

1344
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: break for the news butt when we get back, kind

1345
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 1: of lighten it up a little bit. It's still serious,

1346
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 1: but we're going to talk with Greg Stanley, realtor Greg

1347
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: Stanley about the twenty twenty five real estate review. Kind

1348
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: of some ups and downs in it. We'll talk to

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01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: Greg about that when we get back. Mike Allen and

1350
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: for Slowey seven hundred WLW. Do you want to be

1351
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: an Americanity News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in

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01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: for Sloaney today. Well, i'll tell you what. We check

1353
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: in with this guy periodically, local real estate expert Greg Stanley.

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01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 1: He's with Comy and Shepherd Realders. We probably checked in

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01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: with him four or five times. Wanted to talk to

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01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 1: Greg about twenty twenty five, the year in real estate

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 1: and the Queen City area and his thoughts on that. Greg,

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01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us this morning.

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01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 6: Not a problem.

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 5: My Happy New Year, you too. I hope you hit

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01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 5: a great Christmas.

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01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: Thanks I did, I did. I hope you did too. Hey,

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01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: before we begin, I found something. It's off of Redfin.

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01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: I just wanted to read it to you see if

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01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: you agree with it, and we can go from there. Okay.

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: According to Redfinn, Cincinnati's twenty twenty five housing market recap,

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01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: median sale price three hundred and one thousand and eight

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01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: fifty five, monthly total home sales two thousand, two hundred

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01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,679
Speaker 1: and fourteen. Now I'm assuming Greg, this is the greater

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01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: Cincinnati area and not just the city, but monthly new

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01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: construction sales that's kind of low, one hundred and sixty nine.

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Speaker 1: I would have thought it'd been more. Monthly inventory five thousand,

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01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: five hundred and seventy one, months of supply two point

1374
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: six months, which can trast with the national average months

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01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: of supply three point five months, and days on the

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01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: market in this area forty two point six days in

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 1: the country eight point five days. So, I mean, does

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Speaker 1: that sound like it's in the ballpark, Greg?

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Speaker 5: Some of those numbers do sound like they're in the ballpark.

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01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 5: But I just pulled these are fresh numbers, okay, right

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01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,879
Speaker 5: off the multiple listing services, Cincinnati based multiple listing service,

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 5: and it boats well. I mean, if you look at

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01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 5: these numbers, it votes really well for the local real

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01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 5: estate market. I mean it kind of defies some of

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01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 5: the national numbers and it's real positive news. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm just looking at I look at Hamilton County, Warren County,

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01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 5: Claremont County, Butler County, just those counties, localized counties, and

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Speaker 5: I'm seeing a number again, fresh numbers. This is December

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01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 5: year to date, twenty twenty five. Unian home price increase

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01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 5: five percent in twenty twenty five to three hundred and

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01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 5: they were close. I think you said three hundred and one.

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01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 5: This is three hundred and ten. But that prices keep

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 5: going up and which bodes well for homeowners like you

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01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 5: and I sure. I mean the value of our homes

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01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 5: keep increasing, and I think that's positive. Also. I mean

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01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 5: the number of units sold has increased two point six percent,

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01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 5: not a huge year, but still up again as compared

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01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 5: to other other areas, like you said, and active inventory

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01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 5: of homes has increased, so there are more homes available

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01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 5: for home buyers. You know, last year there was a

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01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 5: very low inventory. Well, I mean, twenty twenty four, I'm

1402
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:56,480
Speaker 5: saying was very very low inventory. Now inventory has increased,

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01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 5: so there's more homes available. You know, I'm real positive,

1404
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 5: Mike on this market. I mean, even though home prices

1405
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 5: have gone up in Cincinnati, real estate is still a

1406
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 5: bargain in Cincinnati. I mean if you compare that, if

1407
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 5: you compare our median sales price of three to ten

1408
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 5: with just close cities like Lexington, they'red at three forty,

1409
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 5: Chicago is at three eighty. I mean, that's a that's

1410
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 5: a jump of thirty thousand through Lexington, seventy thousand to Chicago.

1411
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 5: And we don't even need to talk about the West

1412
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 5: Coast that's gone absolutely crazy. Sure, the median sales price

1413
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 5: on a West coast is over a million, but yeah, yes.

1414
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 5: And also, I mean for first time home buyers, Mike,

1415
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 5: interest rates have actually gone down from starting in twenty

1416
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 5: twenty five, interest rates are we're hovering around now, they're down,

1417
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 5: hovering around six low sixes. I mean I just talked

1418
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 5: to a mortgage provider. They're at six point one on

1419
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 5: a thirty year fix. So you know, uh so that

1420
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,679
Speaker 5: vodes well for people that aren't in the market yet

1421
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,879
Speaker 5: or want to make a move. Interest rates are lower

1422
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 5: in Greg Craig, do you see them?

1423
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: I know it's a difficult quote. You see them going

1424
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: lower than that? I mean, I think I mentioned to

1425
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: you when I bought my condo five six years ago,

1426
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 1: Halla was just right above three. Do you see him

1427
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: going down any And that's probably an impossible question.

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01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 2: I think I do it.

1429
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 5: You know, you and I have talked about this before.

1430
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 5: You know, we remember when interest rates were as high

1431
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 5: as as fourteen percent, fifteen percent during the Carter administration. Yeah,

1432
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 5: and now you know there's a lot of people and

1433
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 5: that's that's the issue, is that there's a lot of

1434
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 5: people sitting with a three and a half or a

1435
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 5: three or whatever. I don't think it'll ever get there,

1436
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 5: but I do see them going down more as we

1437
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 5: move into twenty twenty six. I mean, you know the

1438
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 5: picture all signs point to a more robust economy in

1439
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, you know, and as we move to

1440
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 5: a new FED chair, right, you know, I think that's

1441
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 5: due in April time frame, away from Jerome Pale to

1442
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 5: somebody else. I think there's positive news there. I think,

1443
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 5: you know, my prediction in don't take this to the bank.

1444
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 5: But my prediction is you're going to see mid five

1445
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 5: interest rate I think sometime in twenty six and twenty

1446
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 5: twenty six.

1447
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: At least it's going the right way this time.

1448
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 6: Yes, sir, I want to ask I want.

1449
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: To ask you this too. Now I'm assuming and we've

1450
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: talked about this too. The best time to sell your

1451
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 1: home is in the spring, if that is accurate. When

1452
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: does the spring market ramp up? And what can people

1453
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: do to prep their homes, condos, whatever? So it sounds

1454
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,520
Speaker 1: quickie and at the for the most bucks.

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01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, good question. Yeah, Mike, you hit the nail on

1456
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 5: the head.

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01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 6: The best best.

1458
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 5: Time to sell it's it's cyclical, especially here in Cincinnai.

1459
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 5: Best time to sell is spring market. In spring market

1460
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 5: really starts end of February, starts to ramp up.

1461
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 6: You can see it.

1462
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 5: It starts to ramp up the end of February and

1463
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 5: continues all the way through June July time frame, and

1464
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 5: then people kind of settle in around August. They want

1465
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 5: to be in the school district, uh that that they

1466
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 5: want to be in that kind of stuff. But yeah,

1467
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 5: spring is the best time. In February probably when it

1468
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 5: starts to ramp up.

1469
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 2: Ye know, as far as far as.

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01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 5: What people are looking for in a home and how

1471
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 5: you can prep your home. I mean people are looking

1472
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 5: for neat, clean, well organized. You'd be surprised what a

1473
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 5: would a to paint will do.

1474
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 6: Sure, people are.

1475
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 5: Looking these days. People are looking for You know, when

1476
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 5: when when you and I first started in the housing market,

1477
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 5: we were okay with putting the code of paint on something,

1478
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 5: doing a little sweat equity, that kind of thing. Anymore,

1479
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 5: we see that people want a move in, pack your

1480
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 5: boxes right, move in, and and that's it.

1481
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, so, Greg, what about

1482
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, plastic fake bricks on a wall. Does that

1483
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: help the value.

1484
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 5: Any not at all? Okay, you know it's funny. We

1485
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 5: talked about organization. I mean, you know that those those

1486
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 5: bricks have to come off the wall. We talked about organization.

1487
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 5: I had a client that I was looking at, previewing

1488
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 5: their house, making recommendations, and they had you know, I

1489
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 5: went in the garage. They had a car, a boat,

1490
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 5: a motorcycle, all kinds of car parts fewn all over

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Speaker 5: the garage and.

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Speaker 1: I had to tell them, hey, screens out for a

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01:24:59,000 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: package deal.

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01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:01,480
Speaker 2: Exactly.

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01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you gotta either either do a

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Speaker 5: storage shed, run a storage shed, or something like that.

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01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 5: It's all about organization. I mean, the trim up the

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01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 5: bushes in the front yard, put some fresh mulch down.

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Speaker 5: You'd be surprised that the return on investment when you

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Speaker 5: do those kind of things.

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Speaker 1: Now you correct me if I'm wrong. I think you

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01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: said this a couple of times pretty clearly. Don't mess

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01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: with the door because you don't get your return on that?

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01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Is that acting exactly?

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01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 5: Man?

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01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 1: The memory on me, Greg, Can you believe that?

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01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 6: Oh?

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01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 5: Man, I mean that goes back a while.

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01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no question about it. Yeah, let me ask you.

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01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: This would be the last thing I want to ask

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01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: you about. And it's important too. Young people wanting to

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: get out and buy their first home, first condo or whatever, everything.

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01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: And I'm hearing and I'm pretty certain of this. It's hard, hard,

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01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: hard for them to do it for you know, any

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01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 1: number of reasons. Your thoughts on that, and and I

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01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: know you spoke to the favorable direction of the interest rates,

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01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: but what can a young couple do or just a

1518
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 1: young person in general? You know, the President suggested. I

1519
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 1: don't think it went anywhere a couple of weeks ago,

1520
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, about fifty month car loans,

1521
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 1: which I think is crazy, But I guess the question becomes,

1522
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: what can a young person do to get in this market?

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01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Mike, you're right, it is difficult. Home

1524
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 5: prices keep going up. I'd say get in the market. Now.

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01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 5: Home prices keep going up and jump, you might have

1526
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 5: to reset your expectations. But first of all, as a

1527
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 5: first time ho buyer, keep that credit score high. Anything

1528
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 5: you can do to bump that credit score. I mean,

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01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 5: you know, like FAHA loans they require like a five

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01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 5: to eighty plus credit score, So keep that up and

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01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 5: keep paying off other loans that you might have. I

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01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 5: would suggest too, for first to get pre approved, call

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01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 5: your local bank or mortgage provider and get a letter,

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01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 5: a pre approval letter, because when you work with your agent,

1535
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 5: they're going to ask for that, because a potential seller,

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01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 5: when you put in a bit, they're going to say,

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01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 5: as this person been pre approved, And the ability to

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01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 5: produce that letter, that pre approval letter is huge. So

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01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 5: so yeah, I mean, those are the kind of things

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01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 5: I would focus on. Find a good agent, somebody that

1541
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 5: knows something about home construction and maintenance. They can clue

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01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 5: you into what might be required to update that house

1543
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 5: or you know, maintenance items that might be high cost

1544
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 5: if you do buy that home. That kind of thing.

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01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:50,839
Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 5: But by now, I agree, prices are going up. But

1547
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 5: by now you've got to jump in this market reset.

1548
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 5: Maybe you set your expectations in terms of size and locations. Yeah,

1549
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 5: that's key, you know, I.

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01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: Gotta I recently saw pol You know, in this job,

1551
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: you got to read a lot of polls where it's

1552
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: tricking around young people. I forget what the age kind

1553
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: of gap was, but ask young people about what they

1554
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: thought about their financial future, and it's kind of interesting.

1555
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: The specific question asked to them was what are their

1556
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: two biggest concerns? And the first one really surprised me. Again,

1557
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: these are young people. Their biggest concerns. The first one

1558
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: they said, eyesight. I don't get that, but I guess

1559
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: it means that that they're looking ahead for their financial future.

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01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?

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01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 5: Okay, I see where that comes in. Yes, yes, I

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01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 5: sight's very important.

1563
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: What would you think the second one would be?

1564
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make you guess, Gosh, I don't, I don't know,

1565
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 5: probably probably money and the amount of money that they

1566
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 5: might have.

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01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: Well, you're right, that's what it is. Two things most

1568
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: important we all got to keep in mind eyesight and money.

1569
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

1570
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: Okay, great. If somebody wants to talk to you further,

1571
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 1: how would they get a hold of you?

1572
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, they can call me at Comy and Shepherd Realtors

1573
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 5: five one three two two six four four two six

1574
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:26,959
Speaker 5: or email me at G. Stanley at stanrealty dot com.

1575
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, really appreciate you spending time with us.

1576
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 5: Very good, Mike. Hey, Hey, have a great new.

1577
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: Year you too, buddy, Thank you.

1578
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 6: All right?

1579
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 1: All right, that was Greg stan Lee of with Comy

1580
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 1: and Shepherd Realtors. Those are interesting, I think conversations that

1581
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: we have, and with the thing about young people, it's

1582
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: so true. And he's right too. I mean, when we

1583
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 1: were coming up the Jimmy Carter era interst rates thirteen

1584
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: fourteen fifty fifteen percent, there wasn't anybody buying a home.

1585
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: I know I wasn't, So I mean hopefully we can

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01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 1: find a way or a way can be found so

1587
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: young people can get into the American dream too. Hey,

1588
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna have to take a real

1589
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: short break. We'll be back and then we'll take care

1590
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: of what we're gonna do from eleven thirty to noon.

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01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for slowly seven hundred WLW. I was

1592
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: going to venture a guess on this one, but now

1593
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. But who ah, I got it magic bus.

1594
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: How about that? Well, of course it was I guess

1595
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: in the sixties. So that's kind of been my wheelhouse anyway.

1596
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Just to kind of wrap up what Greg Stanley and

1597
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 1: I Greg with Komy and Shepherd realtors talked about, it

1598
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: looks like it's and I forgot I always ask him

1599
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 1: the ultimate question, good time to sell, good time to buy, whatever?

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01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: But I think he's saying a pretty good time. I'm

1601
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: for everything in the real estate market now, we apparently

1602
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: are doing better than the rest of the country. And

1603
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 1: when he said the average selling price for a place

1604
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,600
Speaker 1: out on the West Coast, I think he said to

1605
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: me and man, and not only that, you move out there,

1606
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 1: then you got to put up with all the liberals too.

1607
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna stay right where I am here.

1608
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 1: But the thing though that we talked about, and Greg

1609
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 1: and I go back a long time, and that's why.

1610
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about back during the Carter years,

1611
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: people getting married and even people not getting married wanted

1612
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: to buy a house. There is just no way anybody

1613
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: could do it with those interest rates. So I'm glad

1614
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: to hear his kind of prediction that they're going to

1615
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: start going the other way a little bit. Again, we

1616
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 1: have a new fed chair, or we will have, so

1617
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that'll help too. But you know, so

1618
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: many and I talked to my son too, and he's, well,

1619
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: he's still young, he's younger than me. But you know,

1620
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: he makes the point that a little bit his generation

1621
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: and a lot of the ones before that don't really

1622
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: have some of the things and some of the benefits

1623
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 1: that we have had my generation. I think he's right

1624
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 1: about that. Hopefully all that works itself out at some

1625
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: point or another, and most importantly they turn into Republicans.

1626
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: I guess we shall see on that, but I mean

1627
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: it's always good to get an update and keep that

1628
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: in mind. The air. What did he say, I forget

1629
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: what he said. Yeah, the median sale price for Cincinnati

1630
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 1: three hundred one thousand, eight fifty five. Not too bad,

1631
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: not too bad. And Billy Cunningham mentioned this when we

1632
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: talked earlier, and I saw the paper too this morning.

1633
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: There's a home I think it's one of those historic

1634
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: row homes in over the Rhine. Apparently like everything's fixed

1635
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: up on it, elevators, the whole deal selling for two

1636
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: million dollars. You know, I love that stuff. I'd love

1637
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: to live in. It's historic building. But and I love

1638
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,679
Speaker 1: over the Rhine. I think I mentioned it. I did

1639
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: my firstb FC game this summer and I really liked it.

1640
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: Walked around over the Rhine and it's beautiful. But man,

1641
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 1: they got to clean it up. They got to keep

1642
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: the stupid shootings out in all the goofballs, and I

1643
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: know that's easier said than done. Hey, we got to

1644
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 1: take a break. But when we get back, boy, I'm

1645
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: looking forward to this one too. And this is a

1646
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 1: serious subject too. There is a thing that is called

1647
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: the National Security Survey. It's something that is supposed to

1648
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: be done by the president every year. I don't know

1649
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: that it has been Donald Trump did and basically what

1650
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: it is he did it. Basically what it is, it's

1651
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 1: a survey saying, hey, you know, this is where we

1652
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: need to go security wise, where we need to be

1653
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 1: focusing our resources, and for so long it was very,

1654
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: very very Eurocentric, and that's because of the Soviet Union

1655
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: back then. You know how we bankrolled them. Trump, thank

1656
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: God's making them pay their fair share in NATO. It

1657
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: looks like it's changing. The view now is shifting towards,

1658
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 1: of course, red China, communist China, and also South America

1659
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: where China is really trying to get a toe hold.

1660
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: But when we get back, we're going to talk to

1661
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:30,839
Speaker 1: Todd Sheets about that. Todd is a very prolific author

1662
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: and filmmaker, and well he's right on this subject, so

1663
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 1: we will do that when we get back. Mike Allen

1664
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: in for Slowney, seven hundred WLW. Hey we're back. News

1665
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in for Sloaney. You

1666
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: probably heard about this. If you follow current events and

1667
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 1: world events, you would. President Trump recently unveiled his national

1668
01:34:54,680 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 1: security strategy that changes years of prior strategy and it

1669
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: focuses on guess what America first imagine that, but not

1670
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: everyone likes it. My next guest is Todd Sheets, mister

1671
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: Sheets author to report. It was an op ed piece

1672
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: that it was titled Finally Political Consensus. Everyone hates the

1673
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: National Security Strategy. Todd's the author of the newsletter on

1674
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,480
Speaker 1: Wealth and Progress, currently available free of charge on Substack,

1675
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 1: also available on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple. He is also

1676
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: the author of the acclaimed book two thousand and eight,

1677
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 1: What Really Happened? Todd? Thanks so much for joining us

1678
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: this morning.

1679
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 4: Mike's a pleasure to be with you.

1680
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,599
Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you first if you could explain

1681
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: to my listeners and me, really, what exactly is the

1682
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: National Security Strategy? I know, standing alone, it kind of

1683
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: speaks for herself, but I mean, it's an actual docum,

1684
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 1: is it not.

1685
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 4: Yes, this year it was a report that was right around.

1686
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 7: Thirty pages long. Okay, it's required by Congress. It's supposed

1687
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 7: to come out every year. It doesn't necessarily come out

1688
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 7: every year, but usually, you know, at least once every

1689
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 7: couple of years in administration will put one out that

1690
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 7: kind of, you know, sets the tone for what their

1691
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 7: strategy is, you know, in the international arena.

1692
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: I think the Trump administration surprised some people on this,

1693
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: maybe not because he hasn't had a lot good to

1694
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: say about Europe, I guess since he started his second term.

1695
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: But can you kind of explain what the issue is

1696
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: and what the problem is. And you make the point

1697
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 1: in your article that both the New York Times and

1698
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal criticized the report. I guess they're

1699
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,640
Speaker 1: saying it's an abdication of our traditional role as the

1700
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: world's policeman. Could you kind of expound on that police.

1701
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's kind of both the thinking I think reflected

1702
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 7: in their perspective and in general. You know, it reflects

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01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 7: almost one hundred years of history in Europe and even

1704
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 7: more if we go back to our founding ideals, but

1705
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 7: if we focus on the twentieth century, and I'll try

1706
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 7: and be very brief with this, you know, through World

1707
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 7: War One, World War two, and the Cold War, you know,

1708
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 7: we built up a coalition with Europe to try and

1709
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 7: defend democracy in the arena where it was most relevant

1710
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 7: obviously to Europe, but also to us because of the

1711
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 7: threats to Western Europe and the need for the United

1712
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 7: States to help step in and help them fight off

1713
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 7: the Germans in the first two Wars and then the

1714
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 7: Soviet Union in the Cold War. And you know, we

1715
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 7: developed a mentality out of that, and Europe certainly did

1716
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:52,080
Speaker 7: where there was this very you know, deeply connected alliance

1717
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 7: between the two sides that was crucial to maintaining peace

1718
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 7: and balance throughout the world. And I think the fact

1719
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 7: of the matter is which Trump has recognized, but I

1720
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 7: think the traditionalists have not, and you know, have a

1721
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 7: hard time letting go of on both the left and

1722
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 7: the right. As you pointed out, is that circumstances have

1723
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:14,799
Speaker 7: changed dramatically, you know, since the fall of the Soviet

1724
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 7: Union in the early nineteen nineties, and it is time

1725
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 7: for us to look at all of this from a

1726
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 7: very different perspective, taking those changes into account.

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Speaker 1: And I guess a big part of it is withdrawing

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01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: some of the troops from Europe over there. I know

1729
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: we have done that throughout that I think the past

1730
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 1: twenty or so years. My father was in the Air Force.

1731
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 1: He was a civil engineer, and he was there in

1732
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 1: Germany about five years from about nineteen fifty five to

1733
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty working on rebuilding. And you know, he said

1734
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 1: that Americans, especially the troops, were everywhere. And I guess

1735
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 1: the thought is, and it sure makes sense to me,

1736
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: is that it's time to kind of shift focus to

1737
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: perhaps the two bad if you will, communists China and Russia.

1738
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Is that kind of the gist of it.

1739
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a very big part of it. And I

1740
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,640
Speaker 7: think one of the things that's very important to keep

1741
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 7: in mind is Russia today is nowhere near the threat

1742
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 7: that was posed by the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

1743
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 7: And that's one of the things I think that the

1744
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 7: left and the right, you know, the critics haven't quite

1745
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 7: fully accepted today Russia's GDP, which is, you know, their

1746
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 7: gross domestic product, which determines how much economic resources they

1747
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 7: can put into their military operations. Today they're about the

1748
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:41,599
Speaker 7: size of Italy or Canada, so they are significantly smaller. Yes,

1749
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,719
Speaker 7: back in the fifties and the sixties, they.

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01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,400
Speaker 4: Were roughly two thirds you know.

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01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 7: The GDP of the United States, the Soviet Union i'm

1752
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:53,599
Speaker 7: speaking of, they were clearly the global threat. Today, the

1753
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 7: only country that is even close to that is China,

1754
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 7: which you mentioned is the place where we need to

1755
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 7: be shifting our focus as well as to the you know,

1756
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:05,400
Speaker 7: North and South America to the Western hemisphere and what's

1757
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:06,719
Speaker 7: going on here and.

1758
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 4: So what's happened is Russia is so.

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Speaker 7: Much smaller, you know, their lack of power and their

1760
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 7: lack of a threat for example, to the United States

1761
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 7: is reflected in what happened in the War with Ukraine

1762
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 7: where they went in. Ukraine's even much smaller than.

1763
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 4: Russia is, and yet here we are four years later

1764
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 4: where they're.

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01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 7: Struggling to make advances. So that should be a regional

1766
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:36,960
Speaker 7: conflict that Europe should be responsible for dealing with. And unfortunately,

1767
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 7: they have mismanaged themselves so much that even countries like

1768
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:46,599
Speaker 7: you know, Great Britain, France, Germany, who are much larger

1769
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 7: economically than Russia is today multiples of what Russia is,

1770
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 7: you know, they're basically kind of sitting back and waiting

1771
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 7: for the United States to come in and play the

1772
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:59,560
Speaker 7: leading role in dealing with what is really a relatively

1773
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 7: it's not minor to the people. I don't mean to

1774
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:05,600
Speaker 7: diminish it from that perspective, but from the global perspective

1775
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 7: and certainly from the United States's perspective, this should be

1776
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 7: a relatively minor conflict in Eastern Europe that Western Europe

1777
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 7: should be responsible for dealing with. And I think that's

1778
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 7: what the Trump administration is driving at with, you know,

1779
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 7: with this new strategy and with their approach to Europe

1780
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 7: is like, hey, guys, it's time for you guys to

1781
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 7: deal with things like this so we can focus on

1782
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 7: our own hemisphere and today's real threat, which is China.

1783
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: You know what. And Trump say what you will about him,

1784
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 1: but the guy says what he's going to do, and

1785
01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: he does it. And that was part of the campaign

1786
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: to kind of take a new look at it, you know,

1787
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: in your and you mentioned it just before. It's really

1788
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 1: it's staggering Russia's economic resources, their GDP less than those

1789
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 1: of Italy and Canada, and you know, no better indication

1790
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,839
Speaker 1: of their military decline. Now the one thing that Russia

1791
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 1: does have, and you know, I think it's sickening. Apparently

1792
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:10,400
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin could care less how many Russians he sends

1793
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: into battle and are killed. I researched it a little bit.

1794
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,679
Speaker 1: This is from AI, which I find to be usually accurate.

1795
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 1: Two hundred and forty three to three hundred and fifty

1796
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 1: thousand people Russians soldiers died in that war that's not

1797
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 1: even over yet, and some think as many as half

1798
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 1: a million. Doesn't that The fact that he can do

1799
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: that and get away with kind of still make him

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01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: a threat and Russia by extension, because he's not going

1801
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:40,320
Speaker 1: anywhere unless they throw him out.

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01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they are a threat over time, and

1803
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 7: they do have You're exactly right, that's very important what

1804
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 7: you pointed out. There's this completely different attitude about the

1805
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 7: importance of individuals and citizens when you get into these

1806
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 7: hostile regimes you know that are run by autocraft, you

1807
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 7: know who basically almost at some point they have to

1808
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:08,680
Speaker 7: go to war because their own systems become so inefficient

1809
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 7: and they're so incapable of helping their people live a

1810
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,280
Speaker 7: better life that they have to go off to war

1811
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:18,480
Speaker 7: to try and conquer somebody else's land and their resources,

1812
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 7: and to try and make the people think that something

1813
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 7: positive is happening within the country.

1814
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 4: So I do think their threat. It's not like we

1815
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 4: should completely.

1816
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 7: Ignore what's happening over there. But Trump has not been

1817
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 7: ignoring it. You know, they've been selling weapons to Ukraine

1818
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 7: now being purchased by Europe, which is appropriate. They've been

1819
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,679
Speaker 7: willing to make some long term security guarantees to Ukraine

1820
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 7: to try and halt Russia in their tracks if we

1821
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 7: can get a peace settlement, which I'm a little skeptical

1822
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 7: that Putin's going to be willing to do that, but Yeah,

1823
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:55,839
Speaker 7: we need to be vigilant. And it's also very important,

1824
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 7: and this is something that many critics have either missed

1825
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 7: or outright life about in talking about the National Security strategy.

1826
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 7: The Strategy report specifically says, we need to make sure

1827
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 7: that no hostile, aggressive company, our country excuse me, comes

1828
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 7: to dominate any of the major regions of the world.

1829
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: We need to keep a.

1830
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:21,680
Speaker 7: Balance of power. So they're effectively saying we're not going

1831
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,559
Speaker 7: to allow Russia to go too far with this. You know,

1832
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 7: we can't play the leading and the first responder role,

1833
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 7: but we will pay play a role that prevents Russia

1834
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 7: from gradually taking over too much of Europe.

1835
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you. I mean, because you

1836
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 1: pay attention to these things, is there any thought that

1837
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: the Russian citizens will say at some point enough and

1838
01:44:45,200 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: get his ass out of there? Does anybody see that

1839
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 1: or is that something that is just not going to happen.

1840
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, he has been able to maintain his

1841
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 7: power for a long time. I think he vastly oversteps

1842
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 7: his boundaries with the Ukraine War, and that's one of

1843
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 7: the reasons why he is so unwilling to back down

1844
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 7: and make a peaceful settlement that doesn't give him enough

1845
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 7: to be able to show his country that, yeah, the

1846
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:16,719
Speaker 7: last four years and these hundreds of thousands of deaths

1847
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 7: were worth it, and that's the big problem. But I

1848
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:24,480
Speaker 7: have to think, you know, at some point, the patience

1849
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 7: of the Russian people is going to give out. Their

1850
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 7: economy is in a very bad shape, is in very

1851
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 7: bad condition. They've lost all these people. They have not

1852
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:37,920
Speaker 7: been able to accomplish very much with the war, and

1853
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,360
Speaker 7: so you know, I'm actually of the opinion that as

1854
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 7: long as Ukraine wants to continue fighting, you know, and

1855
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 7: we're not putting our own people over there and risking

1856
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 7: their lives, and we're selling weapons to help them do it,

1857
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 7: I'm in favor of that because I think at some

1858
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 7: point then, you know, Putin's going to have to face.

1859
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,799
Speaker 1: Up to his people. They can't go on like this forever.

1860
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 1: You know. I saw those figures and just astounding. I mean,

1861
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 1: we lost fifty thousand, I believe in the Vietnam War.

1862
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about some people's estimates ten times

1863
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:09,560
Speaker 1: that we'll only have a few minutes left. And I

1864
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 1: probably should have asked you about this a little earlier

1865
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 1: because it's extremely important communists China. Trump has been pretty

1866
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 1: good his administration about beefing up Taiwan. I think we

1867
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 1: just sold them a bunch of new jets. I mean,

1868
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 1: is that the strategy with respect to China, or at

1869
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 1: least part of it, make Taiwan, which is microscopic compared

1870
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 1: to red China. You know in geography, is that pretty

1871
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 1: much as you see a todd the strategy to make

1872
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:42,719
Speaker 1: sure that we take care of our ally Taiwan.

1873
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the same thing.

1874
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,599
Speaker 7: We were just talking about, where we can't allow any

1875
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 7: hostile country to dominate any region of the world. It

1876
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:59,360
Speaker 7: applies even more so to China, Taiwan, and Asia than

1877
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,200
Speaker 7: it does to you Europe at this point in time,

1878
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 7: given the size and threat that China poses. And I

1879
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 7: think it's also very important to remember Trump in his

1880
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 7: first term is the one who finally started dealing with

1881
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 7: the rise of China by imposing the first round of

1882
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 7: tariffs on them. So the first round of tariffs and

1883
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 7: Trump one point zero, what he's proposing to the increases

1884
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,639
Speaker 7: that they're pushing through right now in Trump two point

1885
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 7: zero and the document very specifically states that, you know,

1886
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:30,479
Speaker 7: we cannot allow anyone to dominate the South China seas

1887
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,640
Speaker 7: and the shipping channels there, because too much of the

1888
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 7: world's commerce needs to flow through those channels, and we

1889
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 7: can't allow somebody like China to get to the point

1890
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 7: where they have so much control over them that they

1891
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 7: can shut down significant portions of the world economy.

1892
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: So, yes, that is.

1893
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 7: Definitely where they're shifting their focus. And they're very you know,

1894
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,599
Speaker 7: zeroed in on the importance of all that well, which

1895
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 7: is obviously smart. Well, unfortunately we're out of time. We

1896
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 7: could talk for hours of this really appreciates your point

1897
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 7: of view, Todd, and appreciates you calling in this morning.

1898
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:06,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike, thanks so much.

1899
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,679
Speaker 1: It was great to be back with you. Okay, you too.

1900
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It's certainly food for thought. And boy,

1901
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 1: I think he's right on the money, and so is

1902
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I mean, you know, we I don't know,

1903
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,360
Speaker 1: use the term babysat Europe for a long long time.

1904
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: It's time for them to kind of do a little

1905
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 1: bit more for themselves as a continent. Hey, Mike Allen

1906
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 1: in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back, Mike

1907
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 1: Allan in for Sloaney. As I have been all week.

1908
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 1: Tomorrow Saturday midday we're back at it. Also, I wanted

1909
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 1: to let you know it looks like, although I'm not

1910
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 1: sure what time yet, we are going to have Russ

1911
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: Neville in for to talk about the situation with I

1912
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: believe it's his sister, the Chief Fiji, who is being

1913
01:48:57,479 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: very very, very badly mistreated by the City of Cincinnati.

1914
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: Willy mentioned this when I was talking to him earlier.

1915
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 1: It's a family. It's the premier law enforcement family in

1916
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 1: this area, a bar none a beginning with their father,

1917
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 1: Captain Gary Neville. He ran District three, great man. He

1918
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: was somebody that I looked up to when I was

1919
01:49:20,160 --> 01:49:23,080
Speaker 1: starting to come up. But and I think Willy kind

1920
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 1: of said maybe this was Chris Fivman said this. It's

1921
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 1: in many ways it's reputational. I mean, you just can't

1922
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,759
Speaker 1: do this to people. You can't say, all right, chief,

1923
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,600
Speaker 1: well we don't want you anymore and we're going to

1924
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: fire you. But wait a minute, we don't really know why.

1925
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: So let's hire a law firm and find a reason.

1926
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 1: And the law firm doesn't find a reason. And again

1927
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm taking no shots whatsoever at Frost Barron Todd it's

1928
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 1: a great law firm with great lawyers, highly ethical. But

1929
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: then to come back and say, well, you know, we

1930
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: don't have a yet, then extended through February. It's just

1931
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: not right. It's not right. You can't say it is.

1932
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you one thing, and you'll find this

1933
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: out tomorrow if you tune in. The Neville family ain't

1934
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:10,720
Speaker 1: taking this sitting down. They're not. They're fighting back. And

1935
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 1: who can blame them? Who can blame them? I tell

1936
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:17,680
Speaker 1: you they interview I just had with Todd Sheets. I

1937
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: don't know about you. I mean, I hope you all

1938
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: found that interesting, because I did. I don't really get

1939
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:26,759
Speaker 1: all that jazzed up about foreign policy. I know I should,

1940
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 1: but this is important. I mean, it really is because,

1941
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: as Todd Sheets outlined there, for so many years after

1942
01:50:35,120 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: World War Two, for obvious reasons, our national security strategy

1943
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: was very, very europe centric, if you will. It was

1944
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: all about Europe because of course, everybody was afraid of

1945
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 1: the Red Hordes coming through from China, or probably more

1946
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:58,719
Speaker 1: problematic would be the Russians. Immediately well, actually was brewing

1947
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 1: before the end of the war. We were kind of

1948
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 1: at loggerheads with them. And now Donald Trump. You know,

1949
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: I tell you other presidents just kind of sloughed things aside.

1950
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 1: Ah man, we don't want to deal with it. I'm

1951
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:14,160
Speaker 1: going to be out of office in a few years. Let

1952
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: somebody else deal with it. He didn't do that on

1953
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 1: this national security issue. He's making it clear that he's

1954
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: got his eye on and focused on communist China, Red China.

1955
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 1: You know, there is still communism in this world, and

1956
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: they're the biggest ones, and they are definitely a threat

1957
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:35,680
Speaker 1: to us. I think putting it probably kindly, they are

1958
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,120
Speaker 1: an adversary and will continue to be. They want to

1959
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:42,799
Speaker 1: overtake us. They want to overtake us in just about everything.

1960
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 1: I think they would prefer to do it without firing

1961
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: a shot, and they think they can pull that off.

1962
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 1: You know, you go back to Ronald Reagan. I mean,

1963
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan got it. He got it. He pretty much

1964
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 1: made the Soviet Union spend itself militarily into oblivion. He

1965
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 1: knew they couldn't do it. They collapsed, and that was

1966
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 1: the end of communism. Soviet Union was not the end

1967
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 1: of Russia. And we got a thug running that country

1968
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 1: that we will continue to have to deal with. Well,

1969
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I got to get out of here,

1970
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: but make sure you stay tuned for the bear Cat Report. Boy,

1971
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good game today with Navy Naval

1972
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 1: Academy playing U. See, looks like UC's pretty heavily favored.

1973
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: Then after that the Great American and Willie Cunningham, and

1974
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm really appreciative of Willy stopping by today to give

1975
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 1: his two cents worth on that horrible, horrible shooting of

1976
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:37,840
Speaker 1: that eleven year old girl down in the West End.

1977
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 1: It doesn't get any worse than that anyway. As I said,

1978
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:45,320
Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow for Saturday Midday. Mike Allen seven

1979
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: hundred WLW