Speaker 1: Jeff Walker on this Monday evening could be back with
Speaker 1: you until midnight to night. And what a day, What
Speaker 1: a historic, mind blowing day. The hostages, the living hostages,
Speaker 1: finally returned by Hamas to Israel, to the cheers and
Speaker 1: the tears and the hugs of their family and their
Speaker 1: countrymen after over two years in captivity held by the
Speaker 1: brutal terrorists known as Hamas. What happens next, Well, not
Speaker 1: only President Trump in Israel today speaking in front of
Speaker 1: the Kanesset, but has been in Egypt for a peace
Speaker 1: summit with thirty five countries from the Middle East, Europe,
Speaker 1: around the world who were requested to be there by
Speaker 1: the President and his negotiating team and who said, yes,
Speaker 1: we're interested in this. You know, from a business perspective,
Speaker 1: and Trump first and foremost businessman and a builder the
Speaker 1: art of the deal author But from a business standpoint,
Speaker 1: peace makes sense. It doesn't make sense economically to kill people.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking a lot about that tonight and what
Speaker 1: comes next, and we're all cautiously optimistic or just cautious
Speaker 1: period about what Hamas does next. But the President has
Speaker 1: said part of this twenty point plan is for Hamas
Speaker 1: to disarm. They've lied and broken away from agreements in
Speaker 1: the past, will they do so at their own peril
Speaker 1: because Israel has full stop authority from the United States
Speaker 1: and from all these countries to If Hamas doesn't lay
Speaker 1: down their weapons and leave Gaza to the Palestinians who
Speaker 1: want peace, well, we can still do it the hard way.
Speaker 1: But from a business perspective, this makes the most sense.
Speaker 1: There's not as much money in killing people as there
Speaker 1: is in having peaceful societies where people live and do
Speaker 1: business and work together side by side, and I believe
Speaker 1: that's what President Trump is striving for in all of this.
Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see if it happens.
Speaker 1: They've talked about it my entire life peace in the
Speaker 1: Middle East, and the Bible says, and this is the
Speaker 1: reason I'm cautious. The Bible says, men will cry peace, peace,
Speaker 1: but there will be no peace. So we'll just have
Speaker 1: to wait and see about this time. Up next to
Speaker 1: talk about maybe the economic implications of all of this.
Speaker 1: Todd Sheets starred Raymond James. He's the author of a
Speaker 1: newsletter on Substack on Wealth and Progress and the author
Speaker 1: of the book two thousand and eight What Really Happened,
Speaker 1: where he explains the great financial crisis of seventeen years ago,
Speaker 1: which you probably well remember.
Speaker 2: I know I do. Gary Jeff with you on the Nightcap.
Speaker 1: Todd Sheets is up next, a full show including Christina
Speaker 1: Bob former attorney for President Trump. Jared Nott, who wrote
Speaker 1: the book Tiny Blunders more on that.
Speaker 2: He's got a part two that's out now.
Speaker 1: Thomas havilin my friend from the Air Force, who has
Speaker 1: more news about spike proteins and how to get rid
Speaker 1: of them to your own benefit. Doctor John Huber on
Speaker 1: the psychology and the people who have just been returned
Speaker 1: to Israel to their families after over two years in captivity,
Speaker 1: what they are going to need psychologically, the PTSD and
Speaker 1: all of that. And wild Man Walker was some sports
Speaker 1: for the out of sorts, and we got all kinds
Speaker 1: of people out of sorts when it comes to our
Speaker 1: professional franchises in Cincinnati, there's no question about that. It
Speaker 1: all begins next on seven hundred WLW letter you can
Speaker 1: find for free on substech called Unwealth and Progress. He
Speaker 1: has a new newsletter. I guess almost every week, if
Speaker 1: not every day, I'm not sure. I didn't check today,
Speaker 1: but I will as soon as we get done off
Speaker 1: the phone. Also the author of two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: What Really Happened, describing and explaining the great financial crisis
Speaker 1: our country went through seventeen years ago.
Speaker 2: Maybe if it.
Speaker 1: Can happen again that way, I don't know. And I
Speaker 1: also want to talk with Todd about the peace deal
Speaker 1: that is under way right now in Egypt with thirty
Speaker 1: five countries, including the US and Israel, as it regards
Speaker 1: the war in the Middle East and Middle East piece overall,
Speaker 1: because the President has said this is a golden age
Speaker 1: of the Middle East. It's just beginning and we'll see
Speaker 1: how it progresses from here. There have been a lot
Speaker 1: of attempts in the past, and to this point none
Speaker 1: of them have been permanent fixes.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 1: But Todd Sheets, welcome to the night Cap. It's great
Speaker 1: to have you back, man. How you been.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Gary, Glad to be with you again.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what's your latest letter on wealth and progress and substac.
Speaker 4: Well, the most recent one, and as you mentioned it
Speaker 4: usually it's once a week. Usually sometimes there'll be an
Speaker 4: additional one. I wrote about gold hitting four thousand dollars
Speaker 4: announced last week. Basically asking if this is the canary
Speaker 4: and the gold mine with respect to future inflation.
Speaker 5: And to make a long story short, I think if
Speaker 5: you look.
Speaker 4: Back, there's a long history of the relationship between gold
Speaker 4: and money, and the gold standard was implemented initially back
Speaker 4: in the late seventeen hundreds by Britain to try and
Speaker 4: restrain central banks from continuing to print too much money
Speaker 4: and fund government deficits to the point of losing the
Speaker 4: confidence of lenders. It worked brilliantly for over one hundred
Speaker 4: years until World War One caused the system to collapse
Speaker 4: when all the major European countries you know, engaged in
Speaker 4: huge deficits spending on the war. And then since the
Speaker 4: United States has gone off the gold standard in the
Speaker 4: early nineteen seventies again because of our deficits, you know,
Speaker 4: when LBJ was spending on the Great Society programs in
Speaker 4: the Vietnam War, getting back to your theme of war
Speaker 4: and peace again, you know, that blew out the budget
Speaker 4: deficits that forced us to go off of the gold standard.
Speaker 4: And since then we've had, you know, one good period
Speaker 4: of time which started with Reagan and ran through the
Speaker 4: Clinton years where there was pretty sound money, but Before that,
Speaker 4: we had the inflationary seventies, and we've had this long
Speaker 4: build up of money printing and gold prices escalating.
Speaker 3: You know, since two thousand.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was the last piece basically, So.
Speaker 1: Four thousand dollars announce gold. What does that portend for
Speaker 1: our immediate or continuing economic future?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think there's a couple of key points here.
Speaker 4: One is it's very important to understand gold is a
Speaker 4: speculative investment, which is best understood I think as almost
Speaker 4: like a prediction market. And so when you see the
Speaker 4: price of gold moving up, it tells us that many
Speaker 4: people are betting with their own dollars that they think,
Speaker 4: you know, the current budget deficits will remain high, that
Speaker 4: the Federal Reserve will continue to print money to try
Speaker 4: and help fund those deficits. And so that's kind of
Speaker 4: what the market's predicting. The part of it that's very
Speaker 4: hard to do anything with. And from an investment perspective,
Speaker 4: there's no way of valuing gold like we would a company,
Speaker 4: a bond, an apartment building, where we can discount the
Speaker 4: cash flows back and say, hey, we think this is.
Speaker 3: The real value.
Speaker 5: Now it's too high or now it's.
Speaker 3: Too low, and so you know.
Speaker 4: The second part of it is, in terms of trying
Speaker 4: to read too much in is like, oh, do I
Speaker 4: need to be getting in on the gold bandwagon.
Speaker 6: You know, whether or not.
Speaker 4: The current price already reflects what is going to happen
Speaker 4: in the future and how bad things are going to
Speaker 4: become or not is almost purely.
Speaker 3: A matter of a hunch kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But it does tell us that the trading markets are
Speaker 4: foreseeing and betting on the probability that these deficits remain high,
Speaker 4: that the Fed will be printing money, and that we
Speaker 4: probably are in.
Speaker 5: For some higher levels of inflation.
Speaker 4: I hope they're wrong, but that's probably that's what they're telling.
Speaker 1: Well, I do too. All I know about gold is
Speaker 1: that William Devane likes the feel of gold, and that commercial.
Speaker 1: That commercial creeps my wife out every.
Speaker 2: He just he likes the feel of gold. We're talking
Speaker 2: to Todd Sheets on the nightcap.
Speaker 1: Let's get to today's news, the hostages coming home and
Speaker 1: the peace summit in Egypt and what that may mean
Speaker 1: for the economic future of the United States and for
Speaker 1: the Middle East and the whole world, and how it
Speaker 1: could how it could affect and have tentacles economically everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think you hit on one of the
Speaker 4: key points in the introduction with respect to the Middle East,
Speaker 4: which is the number of countries that are involved in
Speaker 4: this agreement in trying to make the success. Absolutely, and
Speaker 4: so to me, that takes us back really to Trump's
Speaker 4: first term and the Abraham Accords, where we start to
Speaker 4: see a change in the historic dynamic, which had always
Speaker 4: kind of been Israel against the Arab world, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, what we start to see with the
Speaker 4: Abraham Accords is the UAE and a couple of other
Speaker 4: countries over there starting to sign on to the idea
Speaker 4: that no, we want to be on the side of
Speaker 4: Israel and the United States and peace and to stand
Speaker 4: up against you know, these hostile terrorist regimes you know, Iran,
Speaker 4: Iraq or their outposts Hamas Hezbalah and those kinds of things.
Speaker 4: And that was the beginning of creating the opportunity for
Speaker 4: something that is more than just Israel trying to enter
Speaker 4: into a an agreement with Hamas and their backers. You
Speaker 4: know that that doesn't stand much of a chance of
Speaker 4: lasting and of moving the total dynamics in the Middle East,
Speaker 4: so that we have a significant part of the Arab
Speaker 4: world coming around, joining into the Abraham Accords and siding
Speaker 4: with the United States and Israel and saying, look, this
Speaker 4: is where we want our future to be, with with peace,
Speaker 4: with prosperity, with trade, with an opportunity to diversify our
Speaker 4: economies away from oil dependency and towards other sources.
Speaker 5: Of growth and income.
Speaker 4: You know that that can can work for us, you know,
Speaker 4: decades and centuries into the future. And so that's a
Speaker 4: lot of optimism there. I think it's warranted, but you know,
Speaker 4: we also have to be cognizant of what the history
Speaker 4: has been there and be cautiously optimistic.
Speaker 1: I would say that's exactly how I started out tonight's show,
Speaker 1: was saying cautiously optimistic, and then I then I just
Speaker 1: changed it to cautious. But you mentioned getting away from
Speaker 1: the paradigm of, you know, letting oil control your economic future.
Speaker 1: Many of these countries, including Saudi Arabia, are looking at
Speaker 1: the United Arab Emirates and cutter and the things that
Speaker 1: have been happening there. It's kind of hard to have
Speaker 1: a booming tourist industry with lots of money coming in
Speaker 1: from all around the world when you've got murder and
Speaker 1: mayhem being manufactured on a daily basis. So from an
Speaker 1: economic standpoint, peace is good. It's not only good from
Speaker 1: a human standpoint of ending the bloodshed, the generational bloodshed,
Speaker 1: but it's also good from a business standpoint. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what President Trump is really grasping onto and
Speaker 1: all this, don't you think.
Speaker 5: I think you're absolutely right about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, you think about it.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, investing in anything is a statement
Speaker 4: of confidence in the future, and it's very hard to
Speaker 4: have that kind of confidence in the future, optimism about
Speaker 4: how things are going to go. If you're involved, you're
Speaker 4: worried about, you know, either internal problems with peace and
Speaker 4: security or external threats coming in the form of Hamas, Iran,
Speaker 4: Iraq and others who would like to, you know, disrupt
Speaker 4: what is happening in Saudi Arabia, UAE.
Speaker 5: Some of these other countries and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: So this is just all an absolutely critical step and
Speaker 4: I do think the ingredients are there for this too,
Speaker 4: hopefully and again cautiously hope for something different to happen
Speaker 4: this time.
Speaker 1: Dodd, do you believe that when I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a question of if, when Mundan he gets elected mayor
Speaker 1: of New York, if he implements any of these crazy
Speaker 1: policies that he's proposed to these gen z who are
Speaker 1: going to vote for him, who think capitalism is awful,
Speaker 1: do you think that this is going to further damage
Speaker 1: New York's economic future long term?
Speaker 3: Well, if he.
Speaker 4: Does the thing that the things that he's talking about,
Speaker 4: it has to and it's only a matter of how
Speaker 4: long does it take for the consequences to start showing up.
Speaker 4: But you know, as you said, I think the key
Speaker 4: word in the question you asked was further. And you know,
Speaker 4: these problems have been going on in New York, in California,
Speaker 4: in Chicago, you know.
Speaker 7: For decades.
Speaker 4: Gradually, you know, some of these are some of the
Speaker 4: most you know, they're endowed with some of the most
Speaker 4: natural economic benefits of any region, cities, states in the country,
Speaker 4: and yet they've managed, through mismanagement to drive companies, businesses,
Speaker 4: and others away in spite of all the advantages they've had.
Speaker 4: You know, New York is the financial center of the world.
Speaker 4: Really in Chicago, with all the benefits, it has a
Speaker 4: financial center of the Midwest and the trading hub and
Speaker 4: all of those kinds of things. California with all the
Speaker 4: you know, great industries it has had out there, and
Speaker 4: yet they've managed to drive these things away. And you know, Mom,
Speaker 4: Donnie is just basically a more extreme version of the
Speaker 4: policies that have failed for decades now. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: think it has to have a very negative consequence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, I'm a democrat socialist when I ask
Speaker 1: if he's a communist, Well, I mean, the difference is very,
Speaker 1: very minimal between a democrat socialist and a communist, just
Speaker 1: in my opinion for what I know about both. And
Speaker 1: it be a great thing to educate our next generation
Speaker 1: on how important capitalism as to a free and fair society,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, you know, I think all this.
Speaker 5: I think we are.
Speaker 4: We're in the middle of a battle for regime change
Speaker 4: right now. And I wrote a piece on this a
Speaker 4: few weeks ago in the Substack newsletter, and I said,
Speaker 4: we've basically been through four regime changes in history, which
Speaker 4: is kind of a point where the overall, you know,
Speaker 4: dominant competing ways of thinking about culture, social interactions, the economy,
Speaker 4: and the political environment go through these major changes. One
Speaker 4: was obviously the Revolutionary War, the second one was the
Speaker 4: Civil War, The third one was the Great Depression, which
Speaker 4: out of the five is the only one that didn't
Speaker 4: involve significant violence. The fourth one was the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 4: and that kind of put us going down the path
Speaker 4: that we've been on for the last sixty years roughly.
Speaker 4: And I think they did some good things in the beginning,
Speaker 4: but over you know, over time they pushed it too far,
Speaker 4: and now we are back in the last you know,
Speaker 4: in the most recent iteration of that.
Speaker 5: And I think what the real fight here is about.
Speaker 4: It's like, do you believe in the founding classical liberal ideas?
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean liberalism as it's you know, used today,
Speaker 4: but it means the ideas coming out of England and
Speaker 4: Europe and that kind of thing that that our founders
Speaker 4: based the country on. You know, this is the pre
Speaker 4: eminence of the individual over the state, the importance of
Speaker 4: property rights, freedom of speech, and as you've just eluded,
Speaker 4: capitalism as the best way for both individuals and societies
Speaker 4: to lift themselves up out of poverty and in the
Speaker 4: prosperity that has ever been benefit you know created right,
Speaker 4: and we have hundreds of years now of history that
Speaker 4: shows us that these are that all of these ideals delivered.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that we were doing it the right,
Speaker 4: you know, delivering it for everybody like we should have
Speaker 4: been from the beginning. And that's why we.
Speaker 5: Went through the Civil War, racial changes in the sixties.
Speaker 4: Those were the things to help us realize the ideals
Speaker 4: that we were founded on. But the question I think
Speaker 4: now is do you believe that those are still the
Speaker 4: ideals that should be our north star or do you
Speaker 4: believe that we should be going in this completely different
Speaker 4: direction which has been which is kind of where the
Speaker 4: left has been trying to lead things for I think
Speaker 4: the last roughly twenty five.
Speaker 3: To thirty years.
Speaker 1: Todd, I hope the originalist went out so I can
Speaker 1: say Todd sheets read his letter on wealth and Progress
Speaker 1: and substack for free, and thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your time tonight.
Speaker 6: Great to talk to you, sir, you too, Gary, Thanks
Speaker 6: for having me on again.
Speaker 1: You got it under WLW on seven hundred WLW joining
Speaker 1: us now is a woman really? If I read her
Speaker 1: entire resume, it would take up the length of the interview.
Speaker 1: We don't have time for all of that. She started
Speaker 1: her legal career in the United States Marine Corps, representing
Speaker 1: sailors marines, and since then has had just a stellar.
Speaker 2: Law practice.
Speaker 1: She worked with President Trump after the twenty twenty election,
Speaker 1: and of course the book is defiant inside the mar
Speaker 1: A Lago raid and the left's ongoing law Law Fair,
Speaker 1: which as a one time attorney for President Trump, she's
Speaker 1: uniquely qualified to talk about that law Fair that now
Speaker 1: has been somewhat turned on its head thanks to a
Speaker 1: new administration in power. Also, she worked for the Department
Speaker 1: of Homelands Security as an attorney and today works for
Speaker 1: Judicial Watch. Without any further ado to see, I'm done.
Speaker 1: That took a minute. Here's Christina Bob on the Nightcap.
Speaker 8: How you doing, Hey, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Oh no, thank you for agreeing to be on.
Speaker 1: I always look forward to hear somebody talk about this
Speaker 1: law Fair number one, because, of course, now that the
Speaker 1: shoe was on the other foot, they're blaming President Trump
Speaker 1: of playing politics and retribution when all he's doing is
Speaker 1: setting the table to display how crooked they were when
Speaker 1: they were in charge and held those lovers of power,
Speaker 1: including James Comey, the former FBI director.
Speaker 2: I believe that.
Speaker 9: Let's see, yes, yeah, yeah, the trial arguments or all arguments,
Speaker 9: I guess November nineteenth and December fifth, with a trial
Speaker 9: set for just after the first of the year next year.
Speaker 2: So Christina, before we get into any of.
Speaker 1: That, can we talk about how historic and how president
Speaker 1: setting this president is. Does it make you proud to
Speaker 1: be associated with Donald Trump? Things like what's happening in
Speaker 1: the Middle East right now?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 8: I think Donald Trump has done amazing work, not the
Speaker 8: least of which he just endured the attacks himself, right,
Speaker 8: I mean, how many people would have endured what he
Speaker 8: went through to get to where he is. So I'm
Speaker 8: really proud to be associated with him, I would say,
Speaker 8: in the worst of his times, right when everybody was
Speaker 8: attacking him and hating him. Now, of course he's up
Speaker 8: for a Nobel Peace Prize, but she didn't get it
Speaker 8: this year. Maybe next year. You know, he's doing some
Speaker 8: historic things, particularly in the Middle East, but not just there.
Speaker 8: So yeah, no, I think I think he's doing really
Speaker 8: great work. I think there's a lot of work that
Speaker 8: needs to be done, whether by his administration the next
Speaker 8: you know, Congress needs to step up. We really really
Speaker 8: need to, I would say, make some strides on freedom
Speaker 8: and getting rid of an administrative state.
Speaker 1: Now, you first, you first came to work with President
Speaker 1: Trump as an attorney after the twenty twenty election, and
Speaker 1: then continuing and then continuing on, you were working towards
Speaker 1: election integrity, which I think we saw a little bit
Speaker 1: better example of in twenty twenty four than we saw
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: But go ahead, yeah, No, twenty twenty was awful. I mean,
Speaker 8: the whole COVID rule change completely changed the game of
Speaker 8: the elections. Post the twenty twenty election, I worked with
Speaker 8: Rudy Giuliani on his legal team on the post election challenges,
Speaker 8: and then I officially joined President Trump's team in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty two as an attorney, you know, gearing up and
Speaker 8: getting ready for the twenty twenty four election, which obviously
Speaker 8: was a tremendous success and thrilled with those results. But
Speaker 8: our elections are not not secure where they need to be,
Speaker 8: not by a long shot. Twenty twenty four was better
Speaker 8: because they didn't have the COVID rules to play by.
Speaker 8: I mean, the twenty twenty election was flat out of
Speaker 8: legal all the way it was conducted, they used COVID
Speaker 8: as an excuse. They changed, they spot up broke the law,
Speaker 8: particularly with mail in ballots. So yeah, twenty twenty four
Speaker 8: was better, and of course President Trump won, So I
Speaker 8: think that goes to show that they didn't have enough
Speaker 8: margin to cheat. In twenty twenty four, I.
Speaker 1: Had talked extensively with a man named Gregory Stenstrom who
Speaker 1: was involved in the legal challenges in Pennsylvania and what
Speaker 1: happened during that twenty twenty election, and he told me
Speaker 1: with some great satisfaction. I mean, it was a ruined
Speaker 1: election obviously in Pa, like in a lot of other
Speaker 1: places around the country. But he told me was with
Speaker 1: a great deal of pleasure that a judge in too
Speaker 1: late after the fact in twenty twenty two and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, admitted in court that the election was fraudulent
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania and that it was illegal.
Speaker 2: A judge admitted that it was illegal.
Speaker 8: You know, Yeah, the judge ruled that the mail in
Speaker 8: ballot were illegal. Yeah, three years too late, no doubt.
Speaker 8: You know, it didn't really do anything, but but yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean so legally speaking, the only time that type
Speaker 8: of mail in ballot operation was permitted was in twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: Before twenty twenty, it was illegal. Post twenty twenty, it
Speaker 8: was illegal. They're like, oh, well, guess we can't do
Speaker 8: anything about twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: So they're just lying.
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, that's what they do, right. They
Speaker 8: they forced a narrative, They forced a result, not just
Speaker 8: for the election, but they did it for mar Lago,
Speaker 8: they did it for Letitia, the Letitia James case, they
Speaker 8: did it for all these like they just force this
Speaker 8: narrative down arthearts. It's not true, it has no basis
Speaker 8: in reality. The same thing, the same thing happened with
Speaker 8: mar A Lago. And that's why I'm so grateful President
Speaker 8: Trumped at the forward for my books that people get
Speaker 8: to see what really happened. I was his representative on site.
Speaker 8: I was his lawyer on his legal team at that time.
Speaker 8: I met with the Department of Justice's FBI prior to
Speaker 8: the raid. And the narrative that they pushed is just untrue.
Speaker 8: It's completely untrue. And that's what happened with the twenty
Speaker 8: twenty election as well. And then they hope that by
Speaker 8: the time it comes out, you know, now years have passed,
Speaker 8: that they go, oh well, no, big deal. Nobody's going
Speaker 8: to be held accountable, and I sure hope that this
Speaker 8: administration does hold some people accountable. And Latissa James and
Speaker 8: call me those are great starts, but that is not
Speaker 8: even close to being sufficient to clean out the corruption,
Speaker 8: particularly surrounding the mar Laga raids. So I look forward
Speaker 8: to seeing some more prosecutions.
Speaker 1: You know, in the book Salowinsky's Rules for Radicals, one
Speaker 1: of those rules is all was accused the other side
Speaker 1: of what you're doing. And it seems like it's amazing
Speaker 1: what's happened with the thing turning around on Letitia James
Speaker 1: for mortgage fraud when she was trying to get Nobody
Speaker 1: was defrauded out of anything via Donald Trump's business deals.
Speaker 1: The loans all got paid back. He didn't claim that
Speaker 1: he lives somewhere that he didn't live. And now James
Speaker 1: behalf yes, I know the banks were sitting. No, we
Speaker 1: didn't lose money on this. Who got hurt.
Speaker 8: It was a great deal. We'd do it again. He
Speaker 8: cat it off early.
Speaker 1: And the undervaluing of mar A Lago by that judge
Speaker 1: what they call him, judge and Newty or whatever. So
Speaker 1: tell me about a little bit without giving your book
Speaker 1: Away about that that morning of that raid at mar
Speaker 1: A Lago.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, so you're right, in the morning. A
Speaker 8: lot of people think it was in the evening because
Speaker 8: that's when the pictures came out, But it wasn't. It
Speaker 8: started in the morning and it went all day. The
Speaker 8: FBI and DJ were keeping it very quiet. They did
Speaker 8: not want it out that they were at mar Alago.
Speaker 8: They were trying to keep it quiet. It wasn't until
Speaker 8: the end of the day when the raid was over
Speaker 8: that Donald Trump put out I think it was either
Speaker 8: through truth Social or through his Save America pack press statement,
Speaker 8: but he put out that mar A Lago was being rated,
Speaker 8: and I want to say it was like probably around
Speaker 8: seven pm a night. And so that's how America figured
Speaker 8: it out. And then for the next three days the
Speaker 8: Biden administration played stupid and they go, you know, the
Speaker 8: actual White House, the Biden White House is like, oh,
Speaker 8: that is so weird. We have no idea how mar
Speaker 8: Alago got rated. That's crazy. Who would do something those
Speaker 8: rogue FBI agents. They had first tried to blame ROGUEESBI agents.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you remember that. And then Christopher Ray,
Speaker 8: the n FBI director, would not make a statement, would
Speaker 8: not take responsibility. Finally, three days later, Merrick Garland held
Speaker 8: a press conference and sheepishly took responsibility for the raid.
Speaker 8: Had no coordinated press press remarks ready. They I genuinely
Speaker 8: believe they thought they could raid mar A Lago without
Speaker 8: anybody finding out and only use what they wanted when
Speaker 8: it was convenient for them. I genuinely believe that's what
Speaker 8: they were doing. Merrit garb backfired and failed, but that's
Speaker 8: what they were trying to do.
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland, by the way, the same attorney general who
Speaker 1: ordered investigations of parents for speaking up at school board meetings.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is got to be the most weaponized
Speaker 1: justice system in the history of American politics that occurred
Speaker 1: in that four years under the Joe Biden administration.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing else like it, is there.
Speaker 8: No. I mean, the fact that they were so brazen
Speaker 8: to be willing to raid Donald Trump's personal residence, I
Speaker 8: think is is shocking and glaring, and it just goes
Speaker 8: to show that it has to be stopped because if
Speaker 8: it escalates further, what's next. I mean, Americans are losing
Speaker 8: their freedoms left and right because the government's just taking them. So,
Speaker 8: I mean, I I'm very hopeful that this administration will
Speaker 8: actually put this to bed by prosecuting the people that
Speaker 8: need to be prosecuted. But it is a scary time.
Speaker 8: It's tenuous times. And although I'm thrilled that Donald Trump
Speaker 8: is in there, it is not by any means the
Speaker 8: sure thing that we're going to be able to clean
Speaker 8: this out.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 8: You know, we've got a lot of work to do
Speaker 8: in a pretty short amount of time.
Speaker 1: It's it's so so entrenched in the system of this
Speaker 1: administrative state, which is mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, has
Speaker 1: been controlling the constitutional institutions within our government really for
Speaker 1: a lot of years, you know, the lobbyist and the
Speaker 1: people who are at actually writing the legislation that the
Speaker 1: legislators never read and pass just because it's marked D
Speaker 1: or R. And it's it's utterly ridiculous how a government
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be of, by and for the people
Speaker 1: has turned into this shadow cabal of administrative agencies like yeah.
Speaker 8: And they're willing to destroy American lives to get the care.
Speaker 8: I am currently a criminal descendant as we speak. My
Speaker 8: case is still open. There's a lot of Trump supporters
Speaker 8: who have cases open from the twenty twenty election that
Speaker 8: have no basis in reality. Have my case, My indegtment
Speaker 8: was thrown out because there's no probable cause. The judge
Speaker 8: threw it out, but he's refused to close the case,
Speaker 8: allowing the prosecutors to try to salvage something which they're
Speaker 8: not going to be able to do. But they're trying.
Speaker 8: And I mean it costs time and money and humiliation.
Speaker 8: And now I have a criminal record. I work in
Speaker 8: national security, so any background Jack pulls that I have
Speaker 8: a criminal record. I mean, they're willing to destroy anybody
Speaker 8: who simply questions what they're doing. It's really dangerous. It's
Speaker 8: disgusting and it has to stop. I'd like to see
Speaker 8: Pam Bondi come out and be more aggressive than she
Speaker 8: has been thus far. Although I love Pam, I think
Speaker 8: she's great. I think we need to see more at
Speaker 8: a DJ so.
Speaker 1: If I can ask what exactly were you originally charged
Speaker 1: or indicted for?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was with Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, John Easmon,
Speaker 8: I think Jeff Clark. Maybe I can't remember if he's
Speaker 8: in my case or not, but this is in Arizona.
Speaker 8: It's a state case for the alternate electors from twenty twenty.
Speaker 8: They charged us with conspiracy to commit forgery, which is
Speaker 8: absolutely absurd. The document's not forged. It is what it
Speaker 8: purports to be. It is the true, honest, elected slate
Speaker 8: of electors on behalf of Donald Trump. The whole idea
Speaker 8: of quote unquote fake electors is completely false. They are
Speaker 8: not fake electors. They are legitimately alone electors, and the
Speaker 8: slate is exactly what beforced speed. There's nothing forged about it.
Speaker 8: There's no deception. Notwithstanding, I didn't have anything to do
Speaker 8: with it. I was a reporter covering the story and
Speaker 8: they just roped me into it. So it's all's and
Speaker 8: we saw recently the same case in Michigan just recently
Speaker 8: was thrown out by a Michigan judge. The same cases
Speaker 8: in Wisconsin, hanging by a thread, same cases in Nevada
Speaker 8: hanging by a red Arizona. I think it's probably about
Speaker 8: to get dismissed soon, hopefully. Georgia. Georgia is slightly different,
Speaker 8: but the same idea case. They brought different charges. They
Speaker 8: brought rico charges in Georgia which have never been adjudicated
Speaker 8: had never even come close to being adjudicated. The only
Speaker 8: thing that was being adjudicated with Fanny Willis's conflict of
Speaker 8: interest in the fact that she paid her lover seven
Speaker 8: hundred thousand dollars for like six months worth of work
Speaker 8: and then they were going on cruises and you know,
Speaker 8: wine trips and whatever the heck they were doing. So
Speaker 8: it looks like she getting kickbacks for the money that
Speaker 8: she was paying this guy.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if there's enough money for me
Speaker 1: to hang out with Sanny Willis for six months.
Speaker 8: Oh lord, she's a mess.
Speaker 3: I had.
Speaker 8: All of these prosecutors need to lose their law licenses. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I mean prosecutors should have at least a ninety percent
Speaker 8: conviction rate to be considered because because they're the ones
Speaker 8: that picks the case, right, Like, if you can't get
Speaker 8: a conviction, you shouldn't be bringing the case. So in
Speaker 8: order to have a reputable, you know, a decent reputation
Speaker 8: as a plus keenner, you need to have at least,
Speaker 8: at bare minimum a ninety percent conviction rate. And they
Speaker 8: have charged about sixty of us between the alternative electors
Speaker 8: in five different states, and not a single one of
Speaker 8: us is beneound guilty, not a single one zero. They've
Speaker 8: had a couple people plead guilty to misdemeanors that have
Speaker 8: nothing to do with the charges brought, just because they
Speaker 8: wanted to get out of case. I think there were
Speaker 8: three in Georgia, I think, and one in Arizona. And
Speaker 8: other than that there hasn't been anybody. So not only
Speaker 8: are they not even close to a ninety conviction rate,
Speaker 8: they're at pretty much a ninety percent acquittal rate at
Speaker 8: this point the book.
Speaker 1: The book is defiant inside the mar A Lago rate
Speaker 1: and the left's ongoing law fair. The author is our guest,
Speaker 1: Christina Bob. There is a forward by Donald J. Trump,
Speaker 1: our president, who has now helped orchestrate the first part
Speaker 1: of a mass piece plan in the Middle East that
Speaker 1: thirty five countries have signed on to it this summit
Speaker 1: in Egypt. Christina, thank you so much for joining us,
Speaker 1: and my personal prayers are with you in these legal
Speaker 1: matters that you know, and we'll see if James Comy
Speaker 1: skates or not.
Speaker 8: Well. Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 2: You bet, you bet.
Speaker 1: It's the Nightcap and it continues right after ten o'clock
Speaker 1: with a Jared not in the story of tiny blunders
Speaker 1: and big mistakes that changed the world.
Speaker 2: To our second hour of the Nightcap.
Speaker 1: On this Monday evening on seven hundred WLW, Gary Jev
Speaker 1: turning our attention to more historic news and historic perspective
Speaker 1: from a historian on what today meant, and that's the
Speaker 1: release of the hostages into Israel and the peace summit
Speaker 1: that is going on in Egypt this week with President
Speaker 1: Trump pretty much in the catbird seed in from of
Speaker 1: thirty four other countries that have signed on to be
Speaker 1: there to make peace in the Middle East. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something that every American president, with varying degrees of success,
Speaker 1: have attempted in the past but never really accomplished. Could
Speaker 1: this be just another overture or is this one for
Speaker 1: real with some legs to it because of all the
Speaker 1: different players involved. For the first time, to talk about
Speaker 1: that decorated combat infantry officer in Vietnam, the first Tear
Speaker 1: Cavalry Division, he knows a lot about war, and this
Speaker 1: president claims that he is intent on ending these senseless
Speaker 1: wars and getting down to business quite literally. Hamas, for
Speaker 1: their part, have have let the living hostages come back.
Speaker 1: We saw the joy on the family's faces today, on
Speaker 1: the hostages faces as they were brought into hospitals for care.
Speaker 1: That obviously is going to take a while for many
Speaker 1: of them to to assimilate and be back into normal
Speaker 1: society after being held hostage by these these beasts.
Speaker 2: Masquerading as human beings.
Speaker 1: But anyway to talk about all that is Jared Not,
Speaker 1: who is the author of Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, Book two?
Speaker 1: This is this is part two, the many tiny mistakes
Speaker 1: that changed the world forever. Jared Not, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Ray, Mike.
Speaker 3: It's an honor to be here. Thank you, sir.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you in, an honor to talk
Speaker 2: to you again.
Speaker 7: Jared.
Speaker 1: The first book, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. What did you
Speaker 1: primarily focus on with book one?
Speaker 6: Yes, the sort of the low hanging fruit of tiny
Speaker 6: blenders that are out there and by the way there
Speaker 6: it's amazing to dig into history, how many dozens and
Speaker 6: dozens and dozens of small mistakes that had tremendous impact
Speaker 6: on the nation's outcome and wars and destiny of literally
Speaker 6: human the human race. We got some of the first
Speaker 6: one was there Titanic the very first one we mentioned
Speaker 6: about how it sank because somebody forgot to pass the
Speaker 6: key along when they changed commands.
Speaker 7: There and the eyeglasses.
Speaker 6: The binocuts that they used to observe look for open
Speaker 6: Atlantic there at night, looking for the icebergs. They didn't
Speaker 6: have binocuters. And when Mansur said, yes, we have seen
Speaker 6: several minutes sooner, how much differences that have made? He
Speaker 6: told the said an investigating committee, well.
Speaker 3: Enough time to have gotten out of the way.
Speaker 6: So except for that one tiny mistake, the whole Titanic
Speaker 6: disaster would not have taken place. And there are others
Speaker 6: a lot of day and the others there. But the
Speaker 6: second book has some heavy, heavy stories, important stories in
Speaker 6: there too. The Roman Empire fell on the very end
Speaker 6: because somebody forgot the lock and close the gate in
Speaker 6: the fortress wall. And then there's three different examples. And
Speaker 6: the second book about portresses port that did not have
Speaker 6: the door closed the attack came.
Speaker 3: That could have made all the difference.
Speaker 6: I will say in book two it's my ten thousand
Speaker 6: hour book. I love Book number one very private, but
Speaker 6: Book two is kind of at a higher level. I
Speaker 6: think it's we tell people that you read the first
Speaker 6: three pages that have a hard time putting it down.
Speaker 7: Anyway, I'm very proud of both books. That are a
Speaker 7: lot of fun to read.
Speaker 1: So, since you're so close you were in combat in Vietnam,
Speaker 1: give me, give me an example of a tiny blunder
Speaker 1: made in that war, in that conflict that that might
Speaker 1: have turned, that might have saved American lives, that might
Speaker 1: have saved Vietnamese lives.
Speaker 3: That but.
Speaker 1: A mistake was made, And I mean something something as
Speaker 1: small as like you said, eyeglasses or forgetting to lock
Speaker 1: a door, can have major implications on what goes on.
Speaker 6: Yes, now we asked that question and I discussed that
Speaker 6: in the second book. Is that I think there are
Speaker 6: two wars in the last sixties, some ideas that uh,
Speaker 6: the United States was involved in, they could have been
Speaker 6: avoided all together. The Vietnam War, I think the war
Speaker 6: in a rock uh so John Saddam us saying in
Speaker 6: both cases we had Texans and I'm from Texas, very
Speaker 6: proud to be from Texas, uh, that were presidents of
Speaker 6: the United States. And there's a recording of Lennon Johnson
Speaker 6: talking to the Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, and he said, listen,
Speaker 6: what I want you to do, Bob, is to have
Speaker 6: some people put some pant up from pans together talking
Speaker 6: about Vietnam, and go over there and.
Speaker 7: Hooks the whole out of them.
Speaker 6: Okay, okay for the United States given the hooked it
Speaker 6: out of them, well okay. Now, Eisenhower, by the way,
Speaker 6: he was born in Texas, was raised in Kansas, was
Speaker 6: very careful and very measured to avoid war. He was,
Speaker 6: by the way, a excellent poker player and a bridge player,
Speaker 6: and he knew just the right kind of finesse to
Speaker 6: put the right kind of pressure and also back away,
Speaker 6: and he was able to avoid starting any armed conflicts
Speaker 6: having a soldiers killed during his administration. He was a
Speaker 6: much more careful and cautious and measured Lynnon Johnson quite
Speaker 6: a bit more by nature of his personality or the
Speaker 6: fact he was raised. See why I was back there
Speaker 6: at the elementary school, and so the teachers textas history,
Speaker 6: whether it's all about the Alamo, learned all about Santa Sino,
Speaker 6: We learned, you know, and there was kind of something
Speaker 6: ingrained in Texans and war. So I think those two
Speaker 6: wars that fundamental decision whether to escalate the situation in Vietnam.
Speaker 6: It was a he called a tiny mistake or a
Speaker 6: big mistake right there at the crux. And then also
Speaker 6: the same thing, the decision to go to war and
Speaker 6: rock made by another Texas president. I think both of
Speaker 6: them were what do you call it, a tiny mistake,
Speaker 6: a big mistake right there at that critical point, they
Speaker 6: made a wrong turn at the crossroads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you, I mean from a personal standpoint,
Speaker 1: how do you look back on your service in Vietnam?
Speaker 1: You're a decorated combat infantryman. So because I know so
Speaker 1: many Vietnam veterans because of the lack of a welcome home,
Speaker 1: because of public sentiment being pushed against them, and in
Speaker 1: many cases they were ignored. When you hear thank you
Speaker 1: for your service, you guys didn't hear that. By and large,
Speaker 1: as you look back on that, how do you view
Speaker 1: everything that happened? I know you were proud to serve,
Speaker 1: but just in retrospect, Jared, Yes, I.
Speaker 6: Heard stories about some servicemen coming back and being sped on,
Speaker 6: and so and so forth. I came back to Texas again,
Speaker 6: to Texas, and it was a welcoming, strong, welcoming, kind
Speaker 6: of return that we got there, but he went back
Speaker 6: to I don't know New Jersey or the ng for someplace.
Speaker 6: There was a lot of bitterness and anger, and they
Speaker 6: sometimes would turn that anger against the soldiers. Most of them,
Speaker 6: by the way, did not want to be there.
Speaker 7: They were there because they were drafted.
Speaker 6: So they did it from one side from the enemy,
Speaker 6: on the other side from the civilians that had come
Speaker 6: back home. So it was a tough situation. My overall
Speaker 6: feeling was just put simply that the entire war could
Speaker 6: have been avoided.
Speaker 7: Both that war and also the war in Rock.
Speaker 3: Those two wars, yeah, could have been avoided.
Speaker 6: I think it managed correctly, if fedess correctly, if they
Speaker 6: had Eyes Now as president of the time, or if
Speaker 6: you had John Donald Trump president at the time, they
Speaker 6: would have found a way for a peaceful outcome.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: And you could go and talk further.
Speaker 6: But Eyes now had the situation analyzed and studied. He
Speaker 6: had a general origio, which way Matthew Ridgeway, one of
Speaker 6: our best generals that we ever produced, who was very
Speaker 6: successful in the Korean conflict, had him do it. Blue
Speaker 6: Ribbon analysis of the whole situation in Vietnam would be
Speaker 6: involved how many Air Force air wings would be involved,
Speaker 6: how many Navy personnel, marine personnel, and those type of personnel.
Speaker 6: And the conclusion of the report was that that's a
Speaker 6: gorilla fighters paradise. You have the jungles, you had the monsoons,
Speaker 6: you have the ad minds, you have the streams converging
Speaker 6: across the number of screens, noun screams coming together in.
Speaker 3: A fork, et cetera.
Speaker 6: Where it's unlike Korea, where the war was fought on
Speaker 6: an open hard ground, where the air forces plays a
Speaker 6: big part, of tanks play a big part artillery.
Speaker 7: This one was a gorilla fighters warfare.
Speaker 6: And having so many people on the sacrifice to lives,
Speaker 6: it was a very poor choice to go in there
Speaker 6: in the first place.
Speaker 7: So that was a lesson.
Speaker 6: It was just a waste, terrible waste of lives as
Speaker 6: well as men lives and treasure.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a shame that no one listened to Eisenhower
Speaker 1: when he warned about the rise of the military industrial complex,
Speaker 1: right and was warning us off of that that war
Speaker 1: path in Vietnam or as they called the time into China.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they he read the report and it was just
Speaker 6: clear it was a huge, huge, tar baby that she
Speaker 6: would get involved with there. It was you have to
Speaker 6: literally pick your battles. You had to pick your wars
Speaker 6: that should never have been fought. And so we basically
Speaker 6: lost that war and he's lost how you want to
Speaker 6: put it, And what terrible things happened in that Domino's
Speaker 6: fall all the way to Paris.
Speaker 3: No, they stopped right there. Thailand.
Speaker 6: Thailand a good, strong, solid nation and they they were
Speaker 6: no further than Thailand, and the whole the thing and
Speaker 6: the people of South Vietnam would have been better off
Speaker 6: if the war had been forged her.
Speaker 3: Off under peaceful communism.
Speaker 6: Then it would have been a war tour a situation
Speaker 6: that they went through.
Speaker 7: So it was just a sad, tragic mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you how do you view what's happening
Speaker 1: in the Middle East right now? Do you think this
Speaker 1: is historic? Do you think this is something that is
Speaker 1: going to change the course? Is this this peace summit
Speaker 1: going to bear any good fruit? Jarra, just in your
Speaker 1: opinion with what we've seen in the past.
Speaker 6: Yes, Now, Hillary Clinton, I'm coming of all people, Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 6: She praised what was happening there with the cover administration
Speaker 6: in the Middle East, and she didn't mention though, however,
Speaker 6: there's always the day after. So here's that we've got
Speaker 6: the agreement that positis is released. Now, what about what's next.
Speaker 6: Are the people of Hamasa really going to lay down
Speaker 6: their arms? There's kind of saying we'll give up our
Speaker 6: missiles and our rockets.
Speaker 7: We're not going to give up.
Speaker 6: Our rivals and our machine guns, okay. And then also
Speaker 6: when it comes to the whole arrest of Phage two
Speaker 6: and Phase three, are the going to participate and the
Speaker 6: governance of the guys are already willing to give that up? Well,
Speaker 6: I don't know the two sticky points now. The term
Speaker 6: administration is very optimistic, and you mentioned the thirty four nations,
Speaker 6: and there's a lot of pressure coming from Turkey and
Speaker 6: Qatar against Hamas if you do not participate, but pulling
Speaker 6: a rug right out from under, you're not going to
Speaker 6: have any support from any of the Arab nations. And
Speaker 6: hopefully that pressure from the Arab nations as in the world.
Speaker 3: Will make it click and make it work. Pray to
Speaker 3: God that was what happens.
Speaker 6: We don't know, but even if nothing else happens, what's
Speaker 6: happened so far that has been a huge, huge step forward.
Speaker 1: And you talk in the new book and again the
Speaker 1: new book is a follow up to your first Tiny Blunder,
Speaker 1: Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters book two, And you talk also
Speaker 1: about laboratory days.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, are.
Speaker 2: You including WUHAN and COVID in.
Speaker 3: This yes, yes.
Speaker 6: There's two of the biggest developments in medicine of the
Speaker 6: last one hundred and twenty some odd years have taken
Speaker 6: place because of the mistakes in the laboratory. One brilliant,
Speaker 6: brillant breakthrough that has saved hundreds of millions of lives
Speaker 6: came as a result of mistake in laboratory and the
Speaker 6: other one, a more recent mistake, has cost at least
Speaker 6: fifteen million people's lives and still counting the first one.
Speaker 6: This is a very interesting story. Professor Fleming there way
Speaker 6: back in Saint Mary's Hospital in London in nineteen twenty eight,
Speaker 6: and he was a brilliant man, but he was a
Speaker 6: fent mining professor type of guy, and he was known
Speaker 6: for keeping a sloppy lamb and he was sort of
Speaker 6: like the pack on the patron Saint of slobs everywhere.
Speaker 7: So anyway, he was at his laboratory.
Speaker 6: There he's going on vacation that priscot and okay, he
Speaker 6: was leaving there and he.
Speaker 3: Had these petrie dishes.
Speaker 6: He just stussed out there on top of the Countibal,
Speaker 6: I get that way to get back. He also looked
Speaker 6: in the window why it opened to his laboratory.
Speaker 7: We'll see you all in two weeks.
Speaker 6: Where he goes and he comes back, and in the meantime,
Speaker 6: apparently a pen of sellen mold blows them through the window. Okay,
Speaker 6: and the opening and lands in one of the petri
Speaker 6: dishes that was smeared with bacteria. The good professor comes back,
Speaker 6: takes a look at his dishes.
Speaker 7: What's this?
Speaker 3: What's this? A mold right in the middle.
Speaker 6: Of one of the dishes, and very important has killed
Speaker 6: all the bacteria around it. There's a big halo halo
Speaker 6: runner which kills all the bacteria surrounding its position. And
Speaker 6: he instantly realized the importance. There's a killer and peninsuona
Speaker 6: hole that kills bacteria. A giant epiphany and so and
Speaker 6: he went on from there, and he publishes the results
Speaker 6: he he tested and so and so forth published his results.
Speaker 6: But we've got kind of halfway ignored for about ten
Speaker 6: years until.
Speaker 7: A Professor fold of the doctor.
Speaker 6: Foley at Oxford. We had a big laboratory. He was
Speaker 6: doing a lot of research in the field. Comes across
Speaker 6: this article. Wow, this is exactly what we're looking for,
Speaker 6: and number of almost's a different kind of penicillin mols
Speaker 6: that one lady working on a found on a wild
Speaker 6: melon that was two hundred times more powerful and productive
Speaker 6: than the original kind of penicill involved. They use X
Speaker 6: rays and different and multiply this productivity afterwards a thousand
Speaker 6: times greater. I mean, the big pharmachool companies in the
Speaker 6: United States participated and they could go to the peniculin
Speaker 6: in deep bats and so on and so forth, until
Speaker 6: by nineteen forty two millions of doses were being manufactured
Speaker 6: right in the middle of World War two and saved
Speaker 6: tens of millions of lives and since then to saved
Speaker 6: hundreds and hundreds of millions of lives, all because of
Speaker 6: a single tiny mistake. Thank you for being a slob,
Speaker 6: Professor Fleming, Okay, And then switching forward to or Nero,
Speaker 6: there was something called gain of function research, and doctor
Speaker 6: Fauci uh there at ut here in the United States
Speaker 6: that he.
Speaker 7: In I it's in I A I duh.
Speaker 6: He funded he funded the research of gain and function
Speaker 6: and research over there. The whole want left and some
Speaker 6: people were warning this is very dangerous. They're combining two
Speaker 6: different kinds of viruses. They would become much more vialleance
Speaker 6: for for studying, and people would want to will if
Speaker 6: somebody makes a mistake and is a league for the
Speaker 6: laboratory or there's deliberate terrorism somebody league said they can
Speaker 6: kill millions of people. Well, that's exactly what happened. And
Speaker 6: about you were going to care for this whole fiction.
Speaker 6: Oh well, it wasn't a laboratory. It was in that
Speaker 6: wet market nearby from bats Well.
Speaker 7: That has been totally fun.
Speaker 2: He was just trying to cover his ass.
Speaker 6: I mean exactly right, right, And the FBI and other
Speaker 6: organizations said investigating committee, I said, and energy departments on
Speaker 6: so of nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Now it's clearly established it
Speaker 6: was a again a function research mistake funded by the
Speaker 6: United States that's killed at least fifteen million people. That's
Speaker 6: a whole opens up a whole can of worms. There
Speaker 6: are people on the committees that review whether the government
Speaker 6: should endorse or approve various vaccines being manufactured. They're allowed
Speaker 6: to receive royalties from the pharmaceutical companies and it's not illegal,
Speaker 6: and regard that they don't even legally don't even have
Speaker 6: to answer questions about it. It's just a horrible, horrible,
Speaker 6: it's handle, it's amazing, terrible, conflict of interest, terrible.
Speaker 1: Indeed, that's the only word for it, terrible. Jared Not,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. The book Tiny Blunders,
Speaker 1: Big Mistakes too. It's out now and I wish you
Speaker 1: great success with the book.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if if please go to Tiny Bunders, Big Disasters
Speaker 6: dot com. It's a fun website there. We have Instagram
Speaker 6: reels there. They're fun to see at John Wayne, you
Speaker 6: know I'm real, and we have three free chapters Tiny Blunders,
Speaker 6: Big Disasters dot com.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, thank you, Jared.
Speaker 1: Jared Not tonight and Thomas Habland is joining us after
Speaker 1: the news break with the story of how you get
Speaker 1: rid of those spike proteins, you know, the ones that
Speaker 1: came out of that virus. Jared was just talking about
Speaker 1: that leaked out of the lab that Fauci was responsible for.
Speaker 1: It's all ahead. It's Habland, who is an Air Force
Speaker 1: veteran and has been on the program a number of times.
Speaker 1: The first time was talking about these white fibrous blood
Speaker 1: clots that were being found by embalmers all over the country.
Speaker 1: And we did an update on that show not that
Speaker 1: long ago, because there are new reports out and more
Speaker 1: testimony from these people examining the corpses of peace people
Speaker 1: in the Covid area era who had had the vaccine
Speaker 1: one of the jabs and upon their death, the corners
Speaker 1: the embalmers were finding all of these weird white clots
Speaker 1: that pretty much before that were almost unheard of or unseen,
Speaker 1: and he brought it to our attention. And now we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about spike proteins a little bit, but
Speaker 1: maybe some updates on the white clots in any regard.
Speaker 1: Thomas Hamlin, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 11: Hey, Gary, Jeff, Thanks for having me back on the
Speaker 11: show again. And you're right. The last couple of times
Speaker 11: we've talked, you know, my message has been kind of gloomy.
Speaker 11: My last twenty twenty four worldwide and Balmer blood cloth
Speaker 11: survey invallver said they were seeing the white vibrus clots
Speaker 11: in astonishing twenty four percent of their corpses. So one
Speaker 11: out of every four dead bodies has these things in them,
Speaker 11: and these involvers have never seen these things prior to
Speaker 11: COVID for the vaccines.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 11: So, but today I come to do with some encouraging news.
Speaker 11: We're going to talk to say about spike protein. And
Speaker 11: there's a team of scientists that myself and involve A.
Speaker 11: Richard Hirschman are in contact with that have come up
Speaker 11: with good ways to not only detect whether there's dangerous
Speaker 11: amounts of spike protein in somebody's body, but then also
Speaker 11: come up with some interesting natural supplements to help get
Speaker 11: rid of that spike protein.
Speaker 5: Well, first, it had very good success in doing that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost, we need to describe for the
Speaker 1: listeners what spike proteins are and if they've never heard
Speaker 1: the term before. I have, but obviously you have, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people may not know what spike proteins
Speaker 1: are and why they're bad, and how to detect them
Speaker 1: and all of that. And the spike protein is caused
Speaker 1: by the manufactured virus, the covid, Is that correct?
Speaker 11: Yeah? On this you think of the virus, it looks
Speaker 11: like a ball and then coming out of the ball
Speaker 11: or a bunch of spikes, and that is the spike protein,
Speaker 11: and that's actually what the dangerous part of the virus
Speaker 11: that actually attaches to cells and can you know, like
Speaker 11: in your nose or lining of your lungs and can
Speaker 11: cause a lot of problems when people get what's called
Speaker 11: the cytokine storm when they catch covid thanks to the
Speaker 11: spike protein on the surface of the virus. But then,
Speaker 11: as you know, the vaccines were made to produce that
Speaker 11: same spike protein, which a lot of people think that
Speaker 11: was a mistake. In fact, the scientists that produced the
Speaker 11: vaccines basically produced a what's called a modified messenger RNA
Speaker 11: that they put inside a phospholip and nanoparticle and they
Speaker 11: that's what's in the vaccine and then that's injected. Remember
Speaker 11: it was injected into your deltoid muscle in your upper arm,
Speaker 11: and it was supposed to produce just enough spike protein
Speaker 11: from just a couple of days to a week to
Speaker 11: listen immune response to get your rade for COVID if
Speaker 11: it came. But that's not what happened at all. Your
Speaker 11: HF that shot goes all over the body, that those
Speaker 11: lipid nanoparticles carry that messenger RNA everywhere, and it turns
Speaker 11: the entire body into a spike protein factory. And it
Speaker 11: doesn't produce a spipe protein for just a couple of
Speaker 11: days a week. They have founded producing spike protein for
Speaker 11: over seven hundred days in the human body.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 11: So there's a lot of people out there that have
Speaker 11: gotten way too much spike protein produced by the vaccine.
Speaker 11: And that's where the problem comes in. And it's dangerous
Speaker 11: because it causes these unusual side effects like these white
Speaker 11: fiber's clots that I've been tracking for the last four years, myracriditis,
Speaker 11: which is heart damage, information of the heart, miscarriages, turbo cancers,
Speaker 11: nerve damage, all kinds of various side effects are associated
Speaker 11: with this damaging spipe protein.
Speaker 12: Now you have a You've got a meeting coming soon
Speaker 12: in Austin, Texas where you're gonna meet with Senator Ron Johnson,
Speaker 12: Rand Paul, doctor Peter McCullough and others.
Speaker 2: Tell me about what that's all about.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll be going there to talk primarily about the
Speaker 11: white fibrous clots, and I'll probably give them information on
Speaker 11: these new tests that are coming up to in case
Speaker 11: they're not aware of it. You know, there are tests
Speaker 11: out there right now that people can take to test
Speaker 11: for what's called spike protein antibody levels antibodies they're producing
Speaker 11: response to the spipe protein. And there's a test hit
Speaker 11: produced by a lab Corp and another one by Quest.
Speaker 11: They cost about seventy dollars and people can go have
Speaker 11: their spipe protein antibodle antibody levels checked indirectly. And that's
Speaker 11: a good thing, but it's not as good as testing
Speaker 11: it directly. And that's where this team of scientists that
Speaker 11: we're working with. There was a interview this last weekend
Speaker 11: on a YouTube channel called Vegion Health ve jo N.
Speaker 11: It's run by a doctor Philip McMillan Gary Jeff and
Speaker 11: he was talking to the scientist Yoakum Gerlot from Germany
Speaker 11: who developed this better test to more accurately measure the
Speaker 11: spike protein directly. And what he does is he uses
Speaker 11: a the test uses what's called provocation because not all
Speaker 11: the spipe protein that in people's bodies that have the
Speaker 11: spike protein is free floating. A lot of it's actually
Speaker 11: caught up in the cells. So he uses a process
Speaker 11: called provocation first, where they use some certain drugs to
Speaker 11: provoke the spipe protein to leave those cells, then they
Speaker 11: can more accurately test for the spike protein. In fact,
Speaker 11: he did one test. He had thirteen different patients and
Speaker 11: of those only for of them yielded a positive result
Speaker 11: for the spike protein before he did the provocation with
Speaker 11: these natural supplements. But then after he applied to natural supplements,
Speaker 11: he tested those same thirteen of people again and eleven
Speaker 11: of them actually tested positive for damaging amounts of spike protein.
Speaker 11: So now he's coming close to having a very accurate
Speaker 11: test to help people detect whether they have damaging amounts
Speaker 11: of spike protein. And he hopes to get this on
Speaker 11: the market soon. So that's that's a good thing. But
Speaker 11: the real thing I think your listeners probably want to
Speaker 11: know is, Okay, now that if we can correctly detect
Speaker 11: the amount of spike protein that's in my body to
Speaker 11: help me get rid of it exactly, and what he's
Speaker 11: what's this Doctor Gurlock has come up with as a
Speaker 11: three prong approach, a three step process that has to
Speaker 11: be done in this particular order in order to clear
Speaker 11: the body of the spike protein. First of all, he
Speaker 11: uses what's called cinamorphics se nomorphics, and that's just a
Speaker 11: fancy name for compounds that basically restore damage cells that
Speaker 11: still can be saved. There cells have been somewhat damaged
Speaker 11: by the spike protein, but they can actually be brought
Speaker 11: back to life. And there's compounds out there like routine
Speaker 11: queer satin, curcumin, which is an extrack of tumeric and
Speaker 11: melatonin that can help these damage cells come back to life.
Speaker 11: The ones that can be saved. That's that's called cenamorphics.
Speaker 11: So then after that's done, whether there's some cells that
Speaker 11: you cannot be sayd there's too much spike protein and
Speaker 11: they destroyed the cell, and you have to get rid
Speaker 11: of those because they're still producing SPIKEE protein and to
Speaker 11: destroy those cells it cannot be saved of compounds that
Speaker 11: you use include quercitin in a larger dose and actually
Speaker 11: another compound called e eg CG and that's actually a
Speaker 11: component within green tea, and it helps clear out these
Speaker 11: zombie cells that they actually have stopped dividings. They're basically
Speaker 11: dead cells. They have stopped dividing. Okay, but then the
Speaker 11: third thing they have to do is, okay, once those cells,
Speaker 11: those ones he's used the synalytics on to destroy those cells.
Speaker 11: Those cells actually release the SPIKEE protein in them and
Speaker 11: now it's free floating again and they can combine with
Speaker 11: another healthy cell and damage it. So you need to
Speaker 11: have spike protein binders that actually then bind that to
Speaker 11: that spipe protein. So there's other compounds out there, like
Speaker 11: hesperidin is one. There's another one that's can cannabinoid.
Speaker 5: Well that's actually what it's from Hemp.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Canada. So I'm not saying people in your audience
Speaker 11: should go out there and start smoking weed, but it
Speaker 11: is interesting that cannabinoids hold on.
Speaker 6: Tom.
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to encourage some of my listeners.
Speaker 1: I think they're already on board with that program. But anyway,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 11: So, yeah, hesperodin and cannabinoids can actually help the spike
Speaker 11: protein not bind to what's called the ACE two receptor.
Speaker 11: You may have heard about that on our cells. So
Speaker 11: if yeah, so instead of binding to our cells ACE
Speaker 11: two receptors, these products bind up the spikee protein, then
Speaker 11: it could be taken out of the body as waste.
Speaker 11: So what he's done is he's through a combination of
Speaker 11: those drugs that I've mentioned there's actually natural supplements can
Speaker 11: people can buy over the counter. Using all three of
Speaker 11: those approaches on centamorphics, synalytics, and then these spike protein binders,
Speaker 11: He's been able to see a ninety percent reduction in
Speaker 11: the spike protein and the people that are using those
Speaker 11: products over just a two month period. He's also seen
Speaker 11: a decrease in the microclots that I've been tracking that
Speaker 11: is caused by the spike protein as well. Yeah, and
Speaker 11: the babers are tracking, he's seen reduction of microcloths as well,
Speaker 11: So then they will not eventually form these larger giant
Speaker 11: macro cloths, these white fibrous clots. So this is really
Speaker 11: good news Gary Jeff that they have a way now
Speaker 11: to detect the spike protein and then natural supplements can
Speaker 11: be taken in a certain order in combination to clear
Speaker 11: that spike protein out of the body.
Speaker 1: Do you know if there is any correlation between Do
Speaker 1: we have any way of knowing if these microclots have
Speaker 1: any correlation with the COVID death toll?
Speaker 11: Yeah, they're both damaging.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 11: The white fiber's closs are the big ones that, by
Speaker 11: the way, are in living people as well. Because I'm
Speaker 11: in touch with a cardiologist and then a bachelor's specialists
Speaker 11: from Jacksonville, Florida, doctor Mahonab. The Shehrit has been removing
Speaker 11: the same white fiber's class from living people for the
Speaker 11: last four years.
Speaker 1: But those are.
Speaker 11: Causing strokes and heart attacks. The microclotting and what the
Speaker 11: involvers describe and what looks like dirty blood or coffee
Speaker 11: grounds in the blood coming off the corpse. That occurs
Speaker 11: at your small blood vessels, your capillary level, and it
Speaker 11: blocks the exchange of oxygen at the lungs, at the
Speaker 11: carrying of that oxygen all around the body to your
Speaker 11: major organs, including your eyes and your brain. That's why
Speaker 11: a lot of people we think maybe having brain fog
Speaker 11: or poor vision problems, they probably have microclotting going out
Speaker 11: inside their head. So if these products can help get
Speaker 11: rid of that microclotting, this could be a tremendous development
Speaker 11: for the humanity.
Speaker 2: No doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I just had a guy named Jared Nott who was
Speaker 1: a Vietnam veteran and he's also an author of a
Speaker 1: book called Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters Too. This is his
Speaker 1: second history book on small mistakes that had big consequences,
Speaker 1: whether it be wars. And in this book he highlights
Speaker 1: two labor toy mistakes, one that saved millions of lives,
Speaker 1: the discovery of penicillin inside Fleming's sloppy laboratory. And yes,
Speaker 1: and then he also highlights what was going on in
Speaker 1: Wuhan with Fauci and the gain of function research that
Speaker 1: we were paying for. We didn't know we were paying for,
Speaker 1: but we were paying for in China. That led, of
Speaker 1: course to the COVID lab leak. And and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, these these things aren't always as ominous as
Speaker 1: they seem. Sometimes they're just a you know, a little
Speaker 1: mistake or a little blip or bumping the road, and
Speaker 1: it becomes this giant chasm which swallows a lot of
Speaker 1: people up in its wake. Do you think the COVID
Speaker 1: thing was I mean, just your personal no evidence that
Speaker 1: it was purposely leaked or was a mistake. Do you
Speaker 1: believe it was a mistake.
Speaker 11: I'm not sure about how it was released, But the
Speaker 11: virus itself is definitely a bioweapon. It's got all the
Speaker 11: ear markings of a bioweapon. And unfortunately they chose to
Speaker 11: create in the vaccines the most deadly part of that bioweapon,
Speaker 11: which was despite protein. That's what they recreated in the vaccine.
Speaker 11: And what really shocks me. You're a Jeff by the way,
Speaker 11: I think that the shots have probably killed about seventeen
Speaker 11: million around the world.
Speaker 5: The shot he permanently injured.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the vaccine has and it's probably injured permanently injured
Speaker 11: about one hundred million people around the world. So it's
Speaker 11: been devastating to humanity. Yeah, and I'm just shocked that,
Speaker 11: as you know, President Donald Trump just took it this
Speaker 11: last weekend. I think he either the report come out
Speaker 11: last week that he took his during his annual physical,
Speaker 11: he took his shot and his annual COVID shot COVID booster.
Speaker 11: And I'm scared for the president because I think he's
Speaker 11: seventy eight years old. You know, he eats a lot
Speaker 11: of McDonald's, so bains and arteries may not be in
Speaker 11: that great a shape in the first place. But you know,
Speaker 11: he's just injected himself with billions, billions with a B
Speaker 11: lip anoparticles, each containing that modified RNA code that's producing
Speaker 11: the same dangerous bike protein that we've been talking about
Speaker 11: for the last few minutes.
Speaker 1: Now, is this mRNA, this modified RNA code, is it
Speaker 1: capable of actually changing human DNA? I've heard that reported
Speaker 1: other places or supposed that it could happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: could that actually alter your DNA?
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's some talk about it reverse transcribing into our DNA. Now,
Speaker 11: as you know that at least the pfixer sizes. We
Speaker 11: know also in addition to the modified RNA that is
Speaker 11: the inside the lip bananoparticles because of the process they
Speaker 11: use to make that for the world, they use kind
Speaker 11: of a sloppy process that actually resulted in a lot
Speaker 11: of DNA plasmids DNA also being contained in the vials,
Speaker 11: and that's what scientists are worry about. In addition to
Speaker 11: what's called the SV forty promoter sequence, which is a
Speaker 11: semion virus forty monkey virus sequence that has also been
Speaker 11: discovered in the Pfizer vials as well. So it's a
Speaker 11: high concern. That's what Joe Ladipoe, you know, the certain
Speaker 11: general for Florida, one of the Pfiser products at least
Speaker 11: pulled from the market immediately because what's called adulteration, because
Speaker 11: that was not identified to be in the vials, but
Speaker 11: it was in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas, I really appreciate your latest report. Good luck
Speaker 1: on your meeting with these scientists and doctors and senators.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I'll.
Speaker 4: Give you a call in a few months.
Speaker 11: Here I'm running my worldwide and barber Blok Class survey
Speaker 11: for the year twenty twenty five up coming here in
Speaker 11: November December, Garry Jeffsonry. After I finished that, I'll give
Speaker 11: you a call with the results of what the vomers say.
Speaker 1: We will get an update, sir, Thank you so much
Speaker 1: and keep up the good work.
Speaker 11: Thank you.
Speaker 1: A vigilant fighter against us all being poisoned. Thomas Haviland
Speaker 1: on the Nightcap Doctor John Huber, forensic psychologist and my
Speaker 1: friend coming up after the news news at eleven o'clock tonight.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I definitely want to get
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Speaker 1: of being held hostage in captivity for over two years
Speaker 1: by murderous bastards like Hamas and what's the key to
Speaker 1: getting over that? And I'll treat him like a hostage
Speaker 1: because because he actually enjoys it. He enjoys the Stockholm syndrome.
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Speaker 1: with a good doctor.
Speaker 2: In the house. But not been wrong.
Speaker 6: No, not that.
Speaker 1: Doctor, producer, Producer got the wrong doctor. I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: looking for the doctor Huber theme music.
Speaker 2: I found the doctor John.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: We have from somewhere in the great state of Texas,
Speaker 1: our friend, our friendly forensic psychologists based out of Austin,
Speaker 1: the one and only doctor John Huber. Doctor John, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. How are you, my friend?
Speaker 10: I am amazing, Gary Jeff. It is just such a
Speaker 10: pleasure to be here with you this evening.
Speaker 1: You're a good liar too, So so what have you
Speaker 1: been doing with yourself other than just helping heal people?
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I've been doing lots of things right now. Actually,
Speaker 10: I'm prepping.
Speaker 5: I've got court this week, and.
Speaker 10: So I'm on my way down to an attorney's office
Speaker 10: to go over some stuff before I get to do
Speaker 10: my expert witness bill and just keep one foot in.
Speaker 5: Front of the other.
Speaker 1: So how how difficult is it to get like if
Speaker 1: you're if you're there for the defense or you're there
Speaker 1: for the prosecution. How how difficult is it to get
Speaker 1: the other side, uh, to let you, as an expert
Speaker 1: witness examine their client.
Speaker 10: Well, what what typically happens is the judge that determines
Speaker 10: who the experts are and then the other side doesn't
Speaker 10: really have a choice. The judge has determined that this
Speaker 10: person or that person is an expert. That does not
Speaker 10: mean that the other side can't say, well, we want
Speaker 10: to have our own experts do the do an evaluation
Speaker 10: as well. And so they're they're they're able to do that.
Speaker 10: I mean, that's that's fair game.
Speaker 1: How much time generally do you spend with a subject
Speaker 1: to determine if they have a psychological leg to stand
Speaker 1: on in either their defense or their prosecution.
Speaker 2: How much time do you generally have to.
Speaker 10: Spend that that depends And and an interesting thing, you know,
Speaker 10: I brought this up to my my daughter's boyfriend. It's
Speaker 10: like I have been in prison, and I'm not afraid
Speaker 10: to go back because because I've gone and evaluated a
Speaker 10: lot of people in prison, and not because I've actually
Speaker 10: been sentenced to prison, but because I've actually been there.
Speaker 2: But hey, listen, find some wood and say yet.
Speaker 13: Just in yeah, I'm knocking on it right now. Okay,
Speaker 13: don't go there, man, I don't need that kind of karment.
Speaker 13: So anyway, it just it depends. You know, there's some
Speaker 13: situations where I need to spend a lot more time
Speaker 13: and others I don't have to spend as much time.
Speaker 13: But generally speaking, you know, I do have to see
Speaker 13: the person in question face to face. So like even
Speaker 13: during COVID, I know that there were some exceptions and
Speaker 13: they allowed people to do zoom stuff. But the problem is,
Speaker 13: you know, I'm if I'm working with somebody. You know,
Speaker 13: when I'm working with somebody for mental health reasons in
Speaker 13: my practice, they generally want to get better and they're
Speaker 13: less likely to be predisposed to lie to me. However,
Speaker 13: when I'm working with somebody in a litigations situation, I
Speaker 13: know that they are probably lying to me. So I
Speaker 13: need to have that face to face where I can
Speaker 13: actually see them. I can watch body language, I can
Speaker 13: watch their fidgeting feet or their hands, which oftentimes can
Speaker 13: be hidden with zoom. So I do actually make it
Speaker 13: a point and if I am not allowed to see
Speaker 13: the person face to face.
Speaker 7: I refuse to do the case. I mean, that's just shit.
Speaker 2: I mean you have to have examined the patient to
Speaker 2: make a determination one way or the.
Speaker 10: Other, absolutely, whether it's competency to stand trial or insanity
Speaker 10: plea or mitigating circumstances like you know, somebody truly has
Speaker 10: a mental health issue such as schizophrenia, and they may
Speaker 10: be competent to stand trials and moment because they're medicated,
Speaker 10: but they may out have been on their medication whenever
Speaker 10: whatever they did that brought them to court happened.
Speaker 2: Right, whenever that occurred.
Speaker 1: I've just always been curious about and you mentioned that
Speaker 1: you were headed on your way to court, which is
Speaker 1: a it is granted a big part of your livelihood
Speaker 1: testifying as an expert witness along with your practice. Let
Speaker 1: me go ahead and do some follow ups here, Ketamine.
Speaker 1: Are you still a patient as well as a doctor
Speaker 1: when it comes to ketamine?
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I do have I do have a bad
Speaker 10: shoulder and I have chronic pain from that. However, you know,
Speaker 10: some situations at COMP I may be actually getting an
Speaker 10: artificial shoulder joint. If anybody wants to bark in and
Speaker 10: give you some feedback on that if they've had one.
Speaker 10: But the hope is that it would get rid of
Speaker 10: a lot of my chronic pain, and then I probably
Speaker 10: would not be a ketemine patient for much longer after that.
Speaker 10: But my understanding is I will need pain medication immediately
Speaker 10: following the surgery, So I'd much rather have that than opience,
Speaker 10: which causes a lot of other effects, side effects and
Speaker 10: problems for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've mentioned what what are and I know.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this, we've touched on it before, doctor Hubert,
Speaker 1: But what are the if any effects of dependency that
Speaker 1: comes with ketamine as a as A as opposed to opioids.
Speaker 10: Well, it is psychologically dependent. There are some people that
Speaker 10: the evidence has suggested there may be a physical physiological
Speaker 10: but for the majority overwhelming population, the worst risk is
Speaker 10: that psychological dependence. Because when it works for you, it
Speaker 10: works really, really well, and it's almost like you're afraid
Speaker 10: not to have it available to you if something were
Speaker 10: to happen, whether it's for your anxiety, for your depression,
Speaker 10: for your PTSD, or like myself, for chronic pain. It
Speaker 10: is amazing at getting ready of the pain, you know,
Speaker 10: I broke my shoulder the first time when I was eighteen,
Speaker 10: and that was a few weeks ago, and that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: I you know, I stopped teaching at the university after
Speaker 10: twenty one years, so if that gives you any idea,
Speaker 10: it's been it's been a while, sure, And I used
Speaker 10: the opiates for a very long time and they never
Speaker 10: made the pain go away. They just made me not
Speaker 10: care about the pain.
Speaker 3: It kind of muted it.
Speaker 10: But when when one of my doctor friends recommended I
Speaker 10: tried kety Mean for chronic pain. It literally it was
Speaker 10: the first time since I broke my shoulder in eighteen
Speaker 10: that I did not actually feel pain in my shoulder.
Speaker 10: It was It was amazing and I'm still amazed by
Speaker 10: it and still works that way for me.
Speaker 2: So how often how often do you have to go
Speaker 2: and do a treatment done?
Speaker 10: Well, I have not done an actual and few us
Speaker 10: in a very very long time. But I do take
Speaker 10: oral pain management meds from for Ketemy, and I take
Speaker 10: that at night when I go to bed, and it
Speaker 10: allows me to go to sleep, and I get up
Speaker 10: in the morning and I'm fine, and I keep moving,
Speaker 10: and then of course, you know, it starts inching its
Speaker 10: way up to the surface that chronic pain, and by
Speaker 10: the end of the day, I'm ready to take another
Speaker 10: dose and I can go to sleep, and you know,
Speaker 10: and and it works really well that way for me.
Speaker 10: I'm blessed in that advantage. I don't have to deal
Speaker 10: with opiate they're in midday or you know. You know,
Speaker 10: obviously I couldn't take them when I'm when I'm getting
Speaker 10: ready to get up on stand or witness stand, because
Speaker 10: that that could somehow jeopardize and make me make mistakes.
Speaker 10: And I'm not willing to do that. And with the
Speaker 10: ketemy and I can take it the night before, it
Speaker 10: has you know, about four to six hours of effect
Speaker 10: on memory and stuff like that. But I'm sleeping through
Speaker 10: those and I get up in the morning and I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Well, I know that in the when Matthew Perry died
Speaker 1: and the cause was first called ketamine overdose, a lot
Speaker 1: of people became wary of something that I know that
Speaker 1: you and I talked of. With the right supervision and
Speaker 1: a doctor's care, it's a very safe, effective manager of
Speaker 1: pain and for anxiety and PTSD and the like. But
Speaker 1: the Matthew Perry thing was an unusual case.
Speaker 10: Was it not it was exactly. And the thing is
Speaker 10: he was on three other opiates that he took at
Speaker 10: the same time as that ketamine. And the funny thing
Speaker 10: is the opiates have not been mentioned in the court proceedings,
Speaker 10: and probably the reason why is there's three major drug
Speaker 10: manufacturers that own patents to those. Nobody owns a patent
Speaker 10: to the ketymine because it's been it was created by
Speaker 10: the federal government, it's been on the marketplace since nineteen
Speaker 10: seventy and nobody owns a patent to it, so it's
Speaker 10: really easy to beat up. At the same time, his
Speaker 10: doctors were negligent. One of his doctors pleaded guilty to
Speaker 10: giv him. My believer it was twenty eighth vials of
Speaker 10: ketemie and that that is way more than a month prescription.
Speaker 7: Let's just put it.
Speaker 10: At the very least. It's I don't you know, with
Speaker 10: all the patients I see, with the physicians I work here,
Speaker 10: we probably don't go through that much with all my
Speaker 10: patients in half a year, I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And.
Speaker 1: So he had he had like a two years supply
Speaker 1: and apparently he over and bibed, plus the three opiates
Speaker 1: he was taking as.
Speaker 10: Well, right, well, depending upon the size of the vials,
Speaker 10: the vials can come up to there there in two, four,
Speaker 10: five and ten millileter vials if they were the ten
Speaker 10: milli leader vials. Most of my patients, even myself, I
Speaker 10: don't go through a vial with the daily medication. That's
Speaker 10: you know, that is basically a gram of ketamine. And
Speaker 10: I don't go through that in a ninety day supply
Speaker 10: for my medication. So it man that is that is
Speaker 10: a lot of ketamine.
Speaker 7: And and you know.
Speaker 10: The guy guy, the doctor lost his license and then
Speaker 10: he I believe he got ten or twenty year incarceration
Speaker 10: for that. So I mean that that was a big
Speaker 10: no no, and it was not being safe. And you
Speaker 10: can you can talk to any of my patients and
Speaker 10: or any of the physicians I work with, because I
Speaker 10: am not an MD and I do not have my
Speaker 10: DEA license, so I have to work in conjunction with
Speaker 10: a physician who does. And so the advantages to that
Speaker 10: is we're making sure both of us are being safe.
Speaker 10: There's no there's neither one of us can cheat and
Speaker 10: cut corners. So that's one of the reasons why the
Speaker 10: doctors I work with prefer to do it that way,
Speaker 10: and I prefer to do it that way as well.
Speaker 10: You know, there are some states I could go and
Speaker 10: get my DEA license in here in Texas, that's not
Speaker 10: an option at this point, and I kind of like
Speaker 10: not having that extra bit of liability right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1: We're talking to forensic psychologists doctor John Huber on the
Speaker 1: Nightcap this evening, and I wanted to switch gears here
Speaker 1: for a second doc and talk about this miraculous homecoming
Speaker 1: today in Israel with twenty living hostages being returned to
Speaker 1: their families and their country from Hamas after more than
Speaker 1: seven hundred days been a little over two years they've
Speaker 1: been held hostage. One have you have you had to
Speaker 1: examine anyone who has been held hostage for any amount
Speaker 1: of time before?
Speaker 10: No, I can't think of the time that I have now.
Speaker 10: As university professor, I have invited hostages or past hostages
Speaker 10: to come and talk to my classes and stuff like that.
Speaker 10: But I do have that angle, but I've never done
Speaker 10: a formal evaluation on right a hostage.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so what do you think these people are
Speaker 1: going to be going through in the coming in the
Speaker 1: coming days, in the coming weeks, in the coming months,
Speaker 1: is it possible for for all of them to return
Speaker 1: to some semblance of normalcy or is this something that
Speaker 1: is going to be a psychological state in their lives
Speaker 1: for as long as they live.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 10: That whole post that that that that is a completely
Speaker 10: possible range for every single individual, And the difference is
Speaker 10: exactly how much trauma they were put through in the process,
Speaker 10: you know, because we've heard the reports of some of
Speaker 10: the female individuals being raped daily, sometimes multiple times a
Speaker 10: day and things like that, you know, and there's always
Speaker 10: that possibility. I know, I've tilted on a hostage case
Speaker 10: where the female was raped and then she was kept
Speaker 10: song that she actually delivered at least one child, maybe
Speaker 10: two before she was removed from that situation, and that
Speaker 10: can be a whole other thing. Also, you know, the
Speaker 10: type of abuse, what type of physical damage was done,
Speaker 10: the psychological damage, and then going back to the individuals,
Speaker 10: they're coping mechanisms, their coping skill. You know, if you
Speaker 10: go back and you may have heard of Victor Frankel
Speaker 10: and he talked about, you know, how he survived being
Speaker 10: in the prisoner of war camps.
Speaker 7: You know, with the Germans and stuff like that, and.
Speaker 10: He talked about how he had to find meaning and
Speaker 10: everything he did, and he came up with, you know,
Speaker 10: his famous book, man Search for Meaning, and a lot
Speaker 10: of people couldn't find that meaning and they just kind
Speaker 10: of gave up. They the fight to survive ended. And
Speaker 10: that's such a great possibility for any of these individuals
Speaker 10: and until they get back, and you know, there's always
Speaker 10: that great we would imagine this great relief and uplifting
Speaker 10: that you think, oh my god, you know, I'm going
Speaker 10: to be free from this. But there's part of them.
Speaker 10: And again these are from people that I talked to
Speaker 10: after the fact that I didn't actually do evaluations. It's like, okay,
Speaker 10: are they lying to me?
Speaker 7: Is this a setups?
Speaker 10: I'll put my guard down so they can kill me,
Speaker 10: so they can do some other kind of abuse to me.
Speaker 10: So it's not always as nice and peaceful.
Speaker 7: As we would like it to be for these individuals.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, our prayers go out to them and
Speaker 1: their families and just glad that they're finally home after
Speaker 1: this terrible, terrible odyssey that they've been subjected to.
Speaker 6: Doc.
Speaker 1: It's always great to talk to you man, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad you had time today. Tonight you can you can
Speaker 1: go back to uh whatever it was you were doing before.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just.
Speaker 10: Making my way down to to the out of town
Speaker 10: from Austin to go and prepare for the court case
Speaker 10: and get up in the morning.
Speaker 7: And and uh.
Speaker 3: That's all right.
Speaker 10: I'm doing well.
Speaker 6: Doc.
Speaker 1: We wish you all the best. Uh make some money.
Speaker 1: If you make more than you should, then send some
Speaker 1: to me. Absolutely, Okay, Doctor John Huber from deep in
Speaker 1: the heart of Texas. Well maybe, and uh just loved
Speaker 1: having the Doctor on always do we have a little
Speaker 1: bit lift. We got the wild Man coming up with
Speaker 1: a half an hour of sports for the out of sorts.
Speaker 1: That would be him next on seven under WLW. And
Speaker 1: so finally that point in the evening has arrived where
Speaker 1: we talk to the sports Commando himself.
Speaker 2: The wild Man.
Speaker 1: Is back on the Nightcap as we get into our
Speaker 1: new fall season. While we're two for two, wild Man
Speaker 1: last week and now this week, you're back and we have.
Speaker 2: A lot to cover.
Speaker 1: So first I wanted to tell you this, I wanted
Speaker 1: to preface it with this. I've had three guests on
Speaker 1: my show that proudly served in the Armed Services of
Speaker 1: the United States. One Jared not who was a Vietnam
Speaker 1: combat in for Infantrymen, decorated officer, Christina Bob who was
Speaker 1: in the Marines as a lawyer. And then of course Gosh,
Speaker 1: who was the other one we've had. We've had three
Speaker 1: people in the military.
Speaker 2: You were prime, prime.
Speaker 1: Meet in nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy to be drafted
Speaker 1: into Vietnam.
Speaker 2: How did you avoid going to war? Wild man?
Speaker 5: I had a high lottery number each time. Lucky you,
Speaker 5: lucky man. And had I would had I been drafted,
Speaker 5: I was already talking to joining the Coast Guard. I
Speaker 5: had already made plans to join the Coastguards because I
Speaker 5: was not going over and fighting that workless war. There
Speaker 5: was no way I was going over there and fighting
Speaker 5: that workless war. And those were those three people that
Speaker 5: you had on God love them. I salute them, thanks
Speaker 5: so much for their service. In fact, in fact that
Speaker 5: my family, Gary Jeff, the only person that served in
Speaker 5: the Armed Services was my father in World War Two.
Speaker 5: He was in Germany, Luxembourg, Luxembourg, he was in Belgium,
Speaker 5: he was in France. He was an expert on the
Speaker 5: machine gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas Hamlin was the other guest that I've had tonight.
Speaker 1: He was in the Air Force. And I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I stand in solidarity, shoulders shoulder with you, saying thank
Speaker 1: you for your service everybody who served in the military.
Speaker 1: And my dad served in the Navy for a couple
Speaker 1: of years back in the mid fifties. So we got
Speaker 1: our we got our service check there. You got your dad.
Speaker 1: You could have you could have joined us. A A.
Speaker 5: I've got my dad's medals too, I got him. I'm
Speaker 5: looking right at him as we speak.
Speaker 2: I've got all and your dad. Your dad was in
Speaker 2: World War Two. You said World War two.
Speaker 3: He's one to twice.
Speaker 5: He's got a purple heart, and he's got a purple
Speaker 5: heart with the cluster, Yes, on to twice.
Speaker 2: My goodness. Where you know what that what theater?
Speaker 5: He was in theater?
Speaker 2: What was he in Europe? Was he in the Pacific?
Speaker 5: He was in Europe? Yeah, he was, he was, He
Speaker 5: was in Europe. He was in France, he was in Belgium,
Speaker 5: he was in Germany. Yeah, he was with the fourth Division,
Speaker 5: the same division that captured Saddam Hussein.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's that's excellent. But this all happened before
Speaker 1: you were born.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, way before I was born.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean did he ever tell you stories or
Speaker 1: talk about yeah?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Well later on, later on, as he got a little
Speaker 5: bit older, he told me a few stories. Uh yeah,
Speaker 5: I would. I recall vividly a number of times I
Speaker 5: heard him screaming at night, like he must say, have nightmares.
Speaker 5: Oh you know, I could imagine that he was eighteen
Speaker 5: years old going on seeing what he saw. Good lord,
Speaker 5: I mean, that's I mean, I had to be trauma
Speaker 5: for anybody back in those days, those game guys to
Speaker 5: go over there and put up with that.
Speaker 1: And considering when you went to high school, you probably
Speaker 1: have several buddies that had to go.
Speaker 5: Right, I had a few. I had a few, and
Speaker 5: eight came back. But from my class of sixty nine,
Speaker 5: I think I only had two that went.
Speaker 2: But they home, good God bless them.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so we got that out of
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit before we before we get
Speaker 1: to dissecting the Bengals. And I know you're you're licking
Speaker 1: your chops ready to tell me that Joe, Joe is
Speaker 1: going to be the Saviors, going to be the savior
Speaker 1: of the season. You know, once he learns the playbook.
Speaker 1: Let's talk first about my Kansas City Chiefs and they
Speaker 1: come up and that the Detroit Lions got from them
Speaker 1: last night in Casey, I was so happy.
Speaker 2: Wild Man.
Speaker 5: Well, you'll have to fill me in because I didn't
Speaker 5: watch one snap because I was watching the Mariners and
Speaker 5: the Blue Jays, So I didn't watch one snap of
Speaker 5: that game.
Speaker 1: Total total dominance of Dan Campbell's squad that came in
Speaker 1: four and one and a big head of steam, four
Speaker 1: straight wins. They came into Kansas City and they got
Speaker 1: their butts beat.
Speaker 2: That's what happened.
Speaker 5: Well, no matter what you can say about Pat Mahomes,
Speaker 5: the guy's a winner. I mean had three touchdown passes.
Speaker 5: I recall I think he ran for one, did he not?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: And the guy, the guy is a great, great player,
Speaker 5: I mean the leader.
Speaker 2: He's the leading rusher on his team at quarterback.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing about Mahomes, it seems like in the
Speaker 5: spotlight he always steps up. And I'm sure he knew
Speaker 5: that this was going to be a big game. I mean,
Speaker 5: the Lions. A lot of people thinking the Lions could
Speaker 5: possibly you know, go to the Super Bowl and win
Speaker 5: it all. And the Lions came in there and the Chiefs,
Speaker 5: like you said, I put.
Speaker 3: It to him, put it to him, put.
Speaker 5: It to them hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what. And I like the Lions too.
Speaker 1: I like to watch that team. I think they're very
Speaker 1: exciting fun to watch. But last night they were neutralized.
Speaker 1: Their running game was neutralized, and uh, Kansas City's offense,
Speaker 1: for the first time this year, really seemed to come alive.
Speaker 1: Uh Kelsey was Kelsey was Kelsey again. He dropped a couple,
Speaker 1: but he had some big, big plays in that game.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Worthy and the Chiefs running game for what it was,
Speaker 1: it did the job thirty to seventeen. I'll take it
Speaker 1: as a Chiefs fan. All right, let's go. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Sunday. Joe Flacco is in a car last Tuesday,
Speaker 1: coming from Cleveland. They didn't even fly him down and
Speaker 1: had a vehicle for him and his wife and had
Speaker 1: a vehicle for their belongings, and they cruised down seventy
Speaker 1: one or whatever they came down from Cleveland. He's handed
Speaker 1: a playbook on the ride there, the first time he'd
Speaker 1: seen it. Now, granted, Joe Flacco was a veteran quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's seen lots of playbooks and you know it's it's
Speaker 1: not like they're all that different. Only was Zach Taylor's playbook.
Speaker 1: It comes with with coloring pencils. But so he learning.
Speaker 1: He's learning the offensive playbook on the ride down. He
Speaker 1: suits up on Sunday on the road, and he quitted
Speaker 1: himself pretty well for somebody who didn't really know the
Speaker 1: offense at all before last Tuesday, didn't he.
Speaker 5: Joe Flacco also spoke on the phone with quite a
Speaker 5: bit with Taylor on the way here, and they went
Speaker 5: over terminology just to be you know, on the same
Speaker 5: page and that kind of stuff, so that that kind
Speaker 5: of helped before before he got down here. But he's
Speaker 5: a veteran quarterback. He has seen it all. I mean,
Speaker 5: the guy's been in the league eighteen years and asked
Speaker 5: for yesterday. You saw a guy with the experience. He
Speaker 5: doesn't have happy feet like browning Head. I mean, you
Speaker 5: saw a poise guy back in the back and back
Speaker 5: as the quarterback. And let's give the old line a
Speaker 5: little love here, because the old line only allowed one
Speaker 5: sack and maybe like two pressures and Placo if you
Speaker 5: watch the game, he got rid of the ball quick.
Speaker 5: He wasn't hanging on to it. I mean a couple
Speaker 5: of times he dumped it out and just said, out
Speaker 5: the heck with it, I'll throw it in the ground.
Speaker 5: That's something that Browning didn't learn and didn't learn at all,
Speaker 5: even from watching Joe Burrow like to get rid of
Speaker 5: the ball. That was one of his faults. He hung
Speaker 5: onto the ball too long. Joe Flacktt was an experienced guy.
Speaker 5: He could still throw the ball Gary Jeff with no doubt,
Speaker 5: and he would. He was smart enough to say, going
Speaker 5: into this game, if I've got a receiver like Jamar Chase,
Speaker 5: and if I've got a receiver like t Higgins and
Speaker 5: I'm not throwing to him, something's wrong here. You know
Speaker 5: you're crazy not to be throwing that. He decided to say, Hey,
Speaker 5: if we're going to go down, we're going to go
Speaker 5: down hard, but we're going to go down throwing throwing
Speaker 5: the football to our two best guys and Jamar Chase.
Speaker 5: What more can you say? How great that guy is?
Speaker 5: I mean he makes these catches sometimes like how did
Speaker 5: he come up with that ball? How did he come
Speaker 5: up with it? Then the Bengals are so lucky to
Speaker 5: have a guy like Jamar Chase on the team. The
Speaker 5: plays he makes up, I'd fall out of the chair sometimes.
Speaker 1: Well, they could be dangerous, wild man, you could break
Speaker 1: a hip. I heard mo Egger talking about this today,
Speaker 1: and you talked about the dumpouts, uh for the Bengals
Speaker 1: when Joe Flanker just jumped the ball because there was
Speaker 1: nothing there and he didn't want to get sacked and
Speaker 1: he didn't want he said, Jake Browning on the one
Speaker 1: pass to Hudson where he just threw it at his feet,
Speaker 1: Jake Browning would have thrown that ball to the other team.
Speaker 2: He had no doubt.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Well, I really, I really, really, just like
Speaker 5: this's not even talk about Jake Browning. He's on the bench,
Speaker 5: he can sit there and he can watch because right
Speaker 5: now it's Joe Flacco and Joe Flacco for the rest
Speaker 5: of the season. They hit the Bengals somehow get into
Speaker 5: the playoff. Let's just stop this nonsense right now. Let's
Speaker 5: stop it right now. Joe Burrow is not going to
Speaker 5: play at all. He's not He's got an injury that
Speaker 5: could affect him for the rest of his career. And
Speaker 5: they're not going to rush him back and try to
Speaker 5: try to you know, gig into that's not going to happen.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got these he wrought there, and they
Speaker 5: had out these dumb announcers on TV. Well, you know
Speaker 5: they get the Bengals are just you know, Joe Blaggo
Speaker 5: can hold on until Joe Burrow gets back. Joe Burrow
Speaker 5: has a serious, serious turf toe injury. Man, he he's
Speaker 5: not coming back. He's not gonna play this year. Let
Speaker 5: it go.
Speaker 1: No, I thought it was over the second he was
Speaker 1: grimacing on sitting on the field and then you know,
Speaker 1: tried to walk and then couldn't.
Speaker 2: I knew that he was gone for the rest of.
Speaker 5: The sea and to this day, to this day, Gary Jeff,
Speaker 5: the first thing I said was, don't they have a
Speaker 5: cart for the man to pick the guy up and
Speaker 5: take him in the locker room. They've got everything else
Speaker 5: on the field. They made him walk. That made no
Speaker 5: sense to this day.
Speaker 1: Where's the cart now, joseih gamer. He may have wanted
Speaker 1: to walk just to show to show he was okay.
Speaker 5: Maybe so, but I just thought that was a donation.
Speaker 5: Had a cart there immediately for the man.
Speaker 2: Have the Bengals done anything right this year?
Speaker 5: Have they done anything right this year? Yeah, things right
Speaker 5: this year. Yesterday, yesterday's game, Okay, if you want to
Speaker 5: break it down, the difference in that game was the
Speaker 5: running game. The Bengals cannot stop the run. They still
Speaker 5: had troubles stopping the run, and the Packers needed to
Speaker 5: move the ball.
Speaker 7: They use their.
Speaker 5: Running back and they then they gained I've gained the Bengals.
Speaker 5: I don't know how many yards or whatever, but there's
Speaker 5: the difference. The Bengals did run the ball a little
Speaker 5: bit better, I believe. I believe Chase Brown averaged four
Speaker 5: point seven yards of carry yesterday, which is not too bad,
Speaker 5: not too bad, but they just, you know, they really
Speaker 5: just can't get the holes for him the buster. But
Speaker 5: it was a little bit better. But I, like I said,
Speaker 5: I'll give them the old line some lover protecting Joe
Speaker 5: Flacko went with another week. You know, I'm knowing the playbook,
Speaker 5: I'm knowing his person now, and this could be interesting
Speaker 5: the rest of the way. If they can they can
Speaker 5: keep him up right, If they can keep him up right.
Speaker 5: The defenses, you know, was doing okay, but then in
Speaker 5: the end they just got warred down and made some
Speaker 5: had some bad tackling. As we've seen all season long.
Speaker 1: Well, the Cleveland Browns have a very little talent on
Speaker 1: all offense. I mean that that's the big thing that
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's strength is only defense. They showed that again
Speaker 1: in this you know, this defensive struggle that the Browns
Speaker 1: were involved in which they lost. But I mean it
Speaker 1: was a it was a defensive stand again by Cleveland
Speaker 1: because they've got nothing else to stand on. With Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: it's almost a reverse situation. There's plenty of offensive tools
Speaker 1: and weapons for Joe Flacco to use and go to.
Speaker 1: The defense is still, as you mentioned, suspect, and.
Speaker 5: It doesn't and it doesn't help with the lead. Lose
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson, who's kind of like day to day right now.
Speaker 5: That suppose that he avoided a severe back injury, so
Speaker 5: he's on day to day because when you got need,
Speaker 5: you really need him, you know, to put the pressure on.
Speaker 5: Hopefully some samar Stewart will well we'll be able to
Speaker 5: play this week when we played the Banks play Pittsburgh
Speaker 5: on Thursday night. How about Mike Tomlin talk about a
Speaker 5: guy that is a major case of the Goo. He's
Speaker 5: all honged off, all hunked off that the Browns trade
Speaker 5: it Joe Flacco to Cincinnati being he was quoted as saying,
Speaker 5: it makes no sense. It makes no sense to me
Speaker 5: that the bank that the Browns would do that. He said,
Speaker 5: I don't understand it, but maybe you'll understand it. If
Speaker 5: the Bengals can knock him off.
Speaker 1: You know, that's good. That's kind of unique. What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen on Thursday night. You have Joe Flacco forty two,
Speaker 1: eighteen years in the league. You've got Aaron Rodgers, who's
Speaker 1: equally ancient in football terms, with all of his years
Speaker 1: in the NFL and all of the accolades that he
Speaker 1: has achieved. And I mean, that's gonna be the old
Speaker 1: gun slingers meet at the OK Corral.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: This is like, this is like high noon between the
Speaker 2: two old guns.
Speaker 3: I think that it's a very comparison.
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very compelling quarterback matchup coming
Speaker 1: up Thursday.
Speaker 5: And I told you that Aaron Rodgers wasn't done, and
Speaker 5: you said, ah, he can move, and he's not worth
Speaker 5: a damn, And he went on and on. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 5: have a pretty good season. I mean, he's got he's
Speaker 5: a metcalf who's no slouch. He's not afraid to throw
Speaker 5: it to him at all. And yesterday I believe that.
Speaker 5: I don't think Rogers was sacked at all. I don't
Speaker 5: believe he was sacked at all yesterday, which says a
Speaker 5: lot for the old line of the Steepers against the
Speaker 5: defense of the Browns.
Speaker 1: Unlike some people wild man who cannot admit when they
Speaker 1: were wrong, I'm the first to stand up and go,
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: I said those things.
Speaker 1: I thought Aaron Rodgers would be in traction by now.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 1: Still think there's a possibility for Joe Flacco before this
Speaker 1: season's over that he maybe is laying in a hospital
Speaker 1: bed going why did I do that? But I love
Speaker 1: being wrong when it means good things happen to great players.
Speaker 5: And so there was yeah, yeah, well there was some
Speaker 5: positives yesterday which the Bengals can take going in of
Speaker 5: this game Thursday night. Flacco took a couple of good
Speaker 5: hits yesterday, but he's taking those hits before. And you know,
Speaker 5: at least, I mean, a loss is a loss, and
Speaker 5: I knew they weren't gonna I knew they weren't going
Speaker 5: to beat Green Bay and a loss is a loss,
Speaker 5: and that's just the way it is. I mean, they've
Speaker 5: lost what four in a row. Now, if they somehow
Speaker 5: can beat the Steelers, then they have the lousy Jets
Speaker 5: coming in here, then the Bears, and then the bye week.
Speaker 5: Somehow they can maybe not turn it around to get
Speaker 5: people excited. And yesterday I think some of the fans
Speaker 5: were who were down on the team kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 5: well maybe there is a little light at the end
Speaker 5: of the tunnel here. But again, no matter what they do,
Speaker 5: if they somehow get into the playoffs, somehow, Joe Burrow
Speaker 5: is not playing period in the story.
Speaker 2: Now there you go. Well wild man as all was
Speaker 2: a fun ride.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again tonight, and we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens on Thursday.
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta have it, man, you gotta have it.
Speaker 2: Gotta have it, yeah, got gotta have everyone.
Speaker 1: So if the if they can find a way to
Speaker 1: beat one of these three teams, and the Jets, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, they're very beatable. The Bears, eh, but you
Speaker 1: could see the Bengals going two and one in the
Speaker 1: next three games at least and that's four wins and
Speaker 1: there's still you know, they're still under five hundred, but
Speaker 1: there's progress being made going into the bye week.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. Wild Man would like that.
Speaker 5: I would like to have a head of seami free
Speaker 5: wins going on the bye week. But that's let's get
Speaker 5: Let's get the first one out of the way Thursday
Speaker 5: night and beat those Steelers.
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, big boy, take care.
Speaker 5: All right, sailor talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: The wild Man on the nightcap, Jay Trump, and the
Speaker 1: events of earlier today, wouldn't it be wonderful? Instead of
Speaker 1: wars breaking out all over the globe, peace was breaking
Speaker 1: out all over the globe. I'm not trying to jump
Speaker 1: the gun, and I know that it's a long ways
Speaker 1: from happening, but Bill, let's go with good first starts anyway.
Speaker 1: Thanks to all of our guests tonight, Todd Sheets, Christina, Bob,
Speaker 1: Jared Not, Thomas Havlin, doctor John Huber, and of course
Speaker 1: the wild Man. Back at it tomorrow night at nine o'clock.
Speaker 1: Right now, we honor America with the playing of our
Speaker 1: national anthem, the Star Spangled Banner, as we close this
Speaker 1: nightcap on seven hundred WLW