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Speaker 1: They've talked about it my entire life peace in the

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Speaker 1: Todd Sheets starred Raymond James. He's the author of a

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Speaker 2: I know I do. Gary Jeff with you on the Nightcap.

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Speaker 1: Todd Sheets is up next, a full show including Christina

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Speaker 4: Well, the most recent one, and as you mentioned it

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Speaker 1: Let's get to today's news, the hostages coming home and

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Speaker 5: And I think what the real fight here is about.

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Speaker 1: Todd, I hope the originalist went out so I can

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Speaker 1: say Todd sheets read his letter on wealth and Progress

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Speaker 1: and substack for free, and thank you so much for

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Speaker 6: Great to talk to you, sir, you too, Gary, Thanks

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Speaker 6: for having me on again.

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Speaker 1: You got it under WLW on seven hundred WLW joining

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Speaker 1: us now is a woman really? If I read her

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Speaker 1: We don't have time for all of that. She started

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Speaker 1: She worked with President Trump after the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 1: Judicial Watch. Without any further ado to see, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: That took a minute. Here's Christina Bob on the Nightcap.

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Speaker 8: How you doing, Hey, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, thank you for agreeing to be on.

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Speaker 1: I always look forward to hear somebody talk about this

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Speaker 2: I believe that.

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Speaker 9: Let's see, yes, yeah, yeah, the trial arguments or all arguments,

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Speaker 9: I guess November nineteenth and December fifth, with a trial

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Speaker 1: That, can we talk about how historic and how president

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Speaker 8: I think Donald Trump has done amazing work, not the

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Speaker 8: this year. Maybe next year. You know, he's doing some

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Speaker 8: So yeah, no, I think I think he's doing really

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Speaker 1: Now, you first, you first came to work with President

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Speaker 1: Had talked extensively with a man named Gregory Stenstrom who

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Speaker 1: And the undervaluing of mar A Lago by that judge

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Speaker 1: what they call him, judge and Newty or whatever. So

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Speaker 1: tell me about a little bit without giving your book

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Speaker 1: Away about that that morning of that raid at mar

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Speaker 1: A Lago.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, so you're right, in the morning. A

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Speaker 8: lot of people think it was in the evening because

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Speaker 8: that's when the pictures came out, But it wasn't. It

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Speaker 8: started in the morning and it went all day. The

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Speaker 8: FBI and DJ were keeping it very quiet. They did

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Speaker 8: not want it out that they were at mar Alago.

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Speaker 8: They were trying to keep it quiet. It wasn't until

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Speaker 8: the end of the day when the raid was over

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Speaker 8: that Donald Trump put out I think it was either

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Speaker 8: through truth Social or through his Save America pack press statement,

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Speaker 8: but he put out that mar A Lago was being rated,

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Speaker 8: and I want to say it was like probably around

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Speaker 8: seven pm a night. And so that's how America figured

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Speaker 8: it out. And then for the next three days the

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Speaker 8: Biden administration played stupid and they go, you know, the

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Speaker 8: actual White House, the Biden White House is like, oh,

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Speaker 8: that is so weird. We have no idea how mar

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Speaker 8: Alago got rated. That's crazy. Who would do something those

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Speaker 8: rogue FBI agents. They had first tried to blame ROGUEESBI agents.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you remember that. And then Christopher Ray,

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Speaker 8: the n FBI director, would not make a statement, would

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Speaker 8: not take responsibility. Finally, three days later, Merrick Garland held

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Speaker 8: a press conference and sheepishly took responsibility for the raid.

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Speaker 8: Had no coordinated press press remarks ready. They I genuinely

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Speaker 8: believe they thought they could raid mar A Lago without

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Speaker 8: anybody finding out and only use what they wanted when

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Speaker 8: it was convenient for them. I genuinely believe that's what

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Speaker 8: they were doing. Merrit garb backfired and failed, but that's

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Speaker 8: what they were trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland, by the way, the same attorney general who

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Speaker 1: ordered investigations of parents for speaking up at school board meetings.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is got to be the most weaponized

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Speaker 1: justice system in the history of American politics that occurred

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Speaker 1: in that four years under the Joe Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing else like it, is there.

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Speaker 8: No. I mean, the fact that they were so brazen

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Speaker 8: to be willing to raid Donald Trump's personal residence, I

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Speaker 8: think is is shocking and glaring, and it just goes

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Speaker 8: to show that it has to be stopped because if

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Speaker 8: it escalates further, what's next. I mean, Americans are losing

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Speaker 8: their freedoms left and right because the government's just taking them. So,

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Speaker 8: I mean, I I'm very hopeful that this administration will

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Speaker 8: actually put this to bed by prosecuting the people that

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Speaker 8: need to be prosecuted. But it is a scary time.

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Speaker 8: It's tenuous times. And although I'm thrilled that Donald Trump

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Speaker 8: is in there, it is not by any means the

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Speaker 8: sure thing that we're going to be able to clean

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Speaker 8: this out.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 8: You know, we've got a lot of work to do

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Speaker 8: in a pretty short amount of time.

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Speaker 1: It's it's so so entrenched in the system of this

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Speaker 1: administrative state, which is mentioned nowhere in the Constitution, has

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Speaker 1: been controlling the constitutional institutions within our government really for

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Speaker 1: a lot of years, you know, the lobbyist and the

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Speaker 1: people who are at actually writing the legislation that the

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Speaker 1: legislators never read and pass just because it's marked D

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Speaker 1: or R. And it's it's utterly ridiculous how a government

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Speaker 1: that's supposed to be of, by and for the people

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Speaker 1: has turned into this shadow cabal of administrative agencies like yeah.

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Speaker 8: And they're willing to destroy American lives to get the care.

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Speaker 8: I am currently a criminal descendant as we speak. My

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Speaker 8: case is still open. There's a lot of Trump supporters

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Speaker 8: who have cases open from the twenty twenty election that

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Speaker 8: have no basis in reality. Have my case, My indegtment

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Speaker 8: was thrown out because there's no probable cause. The judge

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Speaker 8: threw it out, but he's refused to close the case,

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Speaker 8: allowing the prosecutors to try to salvage something which they're

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Speaker 8: not going to be able to do. But they're trying.

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Speaker 8: And I mean it costs time and money and humiliation.

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Speaker 8: And now I have a criminal record. I work in

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Speaker 8: national security, so any background Jack pulls that I have

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Speaker 8: a criminal record. I mean, they're willing to destroy anybody

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Speaker 8: who simply questions what they're doing. It's really dangerous. It's

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Speaker 8: disgusting and it has to stop. I'd like to see

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Speaker 8: Pam Bondi come out and be more aggressive than she

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Speaker 8: has been thus far. Although I love Pam, I think

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Speaker 8: she's great. I think we need to see more at

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Speaker 8: a DJ so.

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Speaker 1: If I can ask what exactly were you originally charged

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Speaker 1: or indicted for?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was with Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, John Easmon,

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Speaker 8: I think Jeff Clark. Maybe I can't remember if he's

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Speaker 8: in my case or not, but this is in Arizona.

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Speaker 8: It's a state case for the alternate electors from twenty twenty.

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Speaker 8: They charged us with conspiracy to commit forgery, which is

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Speaker 8: absolutely absurd. The document's not forged. It is what it

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Speaker 8: purports to be. It is the true, honest, elected slate

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Speaker 8: of electors on behalf of Donald Trump. The whole idea

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Speaker 8: of quote unquote fake electors is completely false. They are

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Speaker 8: not fake electors. They are legitimately alone electors, and the

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Speaker 8: slate is exactly what beforced speed. There's nothing forged about it.

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Speaker 8: There's no deception. Notwithstanding, I didn't have anything to do

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Speaker 8: with it. I was a reporter covering the story and

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Speaker 8: they just roped me into it. So it's all's and

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Speaker 8: we saw recently the same case in Michigan just recently

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Speaker 8: was thrown out by a Michigan judge. The same cases

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Speaker 8: in Wisconsin, hanging by a thread, same cases in Nevada

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Speaker 8: hanging by a red Arizona. I think it's probably about

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Speaker 8: to get dismissed soon, hopefully. Georgia. Georgia is slightly different,

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Speaker 8: but the same idea case. They brought different charges. They

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Speaker 8: brought rico charges in Georgia which have never been adjudicated

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Speaker 8: had never even come close to being adjudicated. The only

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Speaker 8: thing that was being adjudicated with Fanny Willis's conflict of

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Speaker 8: interest in the fact that she paid her lover seven

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Speaker 8: hundred thousand dollars for like six months worth of work

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Speaker 8: and then they were going on cruises and you know,

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Speaker 8: wine trips and whatever the heck they were doing. So

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Speaker 8: it looks like she getting kickbacks for the money that

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Speaker 8: she was paying this guy.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if there's enough money for me

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Speaker 1: to hang out with Sanny Willis for six months.

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Speaker 8: Oh lord, she's a mess.

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Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 8: All of these prosecutors need to lose their law licenses. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: I mean prosecutors should have at least a ninety percent

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Speaker 8: conviction rate to be considered because because they're the ones

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Speaker 8: that picks the case, right, Like, if you can't get

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Speaker 8: a conviction, you shouldn't be bringing the case. So in

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Speaker 8: order to have a reputable, you know, a decent reputation

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Speaker 8: as a plus keenner, you need to have at least,

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Speaker 8: at bare minimum a ninety percent conviction rate. And they

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Speaker 8: have charged about sixty of us between the alternative electors

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Speaker 8: in five different states, and not a single one of

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Speaker 8: us is beneound guilty, not a single one zero. They've

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Speaker 8: had a couple people plead guilty to misdemeanors that have

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Speaker 8: nothing to do with the charges brought, just because they

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Speaker 8: wanted to get out of case. I think there were

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Speaker 8: three in Georgia, I think, and one in Arizona. And

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Speaker 8: other than that there hasn't been anybody. So not only

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Speaker 8: are they not even close to a ninety conviction rate,

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Speaker 8: they're at pretty much a ninety percent acquittal rate at

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Speaker 8: this point the book.

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Speaker 1: The book is defiant inside the mar A Lago rate

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Speaker 1: and the left's ongoing law fair. The author is our guest,

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Speaker 1: Christina Bob. There is a forward by Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 1: our president, who has now helped orchestrate the first part

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Speaker 1: of a mass piece plan in the Middle East that

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Speaker 1: thirty five countries have signed on to it this summit

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Speaker 1: in Egypt. Christina, thank you so much for joining us,

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Speaker 1: and my personal prayers are with you in these legal

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Speaker 1: matters that you know, and we'll see if James Comy

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Speaker 1: skates or not.

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Speaker 8: Well. Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 2: You bet, you bet.

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Speaker 1: It's the Nightcap and it continues right after ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: with a Jared not in the story of tiny blunders

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Speaker 1: and big mistakes that changed the world.

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Speaker 2: To our second hour of the Nightcap.

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Speaker 1: On this Monday evening on seven hundred WLW, Gary Jev

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Speaker 1: turning our attention to more historic news and historic perspective

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Speaker 1: from a historian on what today meant, and that's the

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Speaker 1: release of the hostages into Israel and the peace summit

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Speaker 1: that is going on in Egypt this week with President

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Speaker 1: Trump pretty much in the catbird seed in from of

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Speaker 1: thirty four other countries that have signed on to be

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Speaker 1: there to make peace in the Middle East. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's something that every American president, with varying degrees of success,

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Speaker 1: have attempted in the past but never really accomplished. Could

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Speaker 1: this be just another overture or is this one for

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Speaker 1: real with some legs to it because of all the

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Speaker 1: different players involved. For the first time, to talk about

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Speaker 1: that decorated combat infantry officer in Vietnam, the first Tear

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Speaker 1: Cavalry Division, he knows a lot about war, and this

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Speaker 1: president claims that he is intent on ending these senseless

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Speaker 1: wars and getting down to business quite literally. Hamas, for

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Speaker 1: their part, have have let the living hostages come back.

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Speaker 1: We saw the joy on the family's faces today, on

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Speaker 1: the hostages faces as they were brought into hospitals for care.

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Speaker 1: That obviously is going to take a while for many

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Speaker 1: of them to to assimilate and be back into normal

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Speaker 1: society after being held hostage by these these beasts.

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Speaker 2: Masquerading as human beings.

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Speaker 1: But anyway to talk about all that is Jared Not,

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Speaker 1: who is the author of Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, Book two?

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Speaker 1: This is this is part two, the many tiny mistakes

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Speaker 1: that changed the world forever. Jared Not, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Ray, Mike.

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Speaker 3: It's an honor to be here. Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you in, an honor to talk

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Speaker 2: to you again.

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Speaker 7: Jared.

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Speaker 1: The first book, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters. What did you

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Speaker 1: primarily focus on with book one?

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Speaker 6: Yes, the sort of the low hanging fruit of tiny

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Speaker 6: blenders that are out there and by the way there

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Speaker 6: it's amazing to dig into history, how many dozens and

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Speaker 6: dozens and dozens of small mistakes that had tremendous impact

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Speaker 6: on the nation's outcome and wars and destiny of literally

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Speaker 6: human the human race. We got some of the first

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Speaker 6: one was there Titanic the very first one we mentioned

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Speaker 6: about how it sank because somebody forgot to pass the

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Speaker 6: key along when they changed commands.

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Speaker 7: There and the eyeglasses.

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Speaker 6: The binocuts that they used to observe look for open

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Speaker 6: Atlantic there at night, looking for the icebergs. They didn't

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Speaker 6: have binocuters. And when Mansur said, yes, we have seen

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Speaker 6: several minutes sooner, how much differences that have made? He

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Speaker 6: told the said an investigating committee, well.

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Speaker 3: Enough time to have gotten out of the way.

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Speaker 6: So except for that one tiny mistake, the whole Titanic

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Speaker 6: disaster would not have taken place. And there are others

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Speaker 6: a lot of day and the others there. But the

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Speaker 6: second book has some heavy, heavy stories, important stories in

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Speaker 6: there too. The Roman Empire fell on the very end

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Speaker 6: because somebody forgot the lock and close the gate in

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Speaker 6: the fortress wall. And then there's three different examples. And

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Speaker 6: the second book about portresses port that did not have

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Speaker 6: the door closed the attack came.

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Speaker 3: That could have made all the difference.

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Speaker 6: I will say in book two it's my ten thousand

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Speaker 6: hour book. I love Book number one very private, but

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Speaker 6: Book two is kind of at a higher level. I

658
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 6: think it's we tell people that you read the first

659
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 6: three pages that have a hard time putting it down.

660
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 7: Anyway, I'm very proud of both books. That are a

661
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Speaker 7: lot of fun to read.

662
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Speaker 1: So, since you're so close you were in combat in Vietnam,

663
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Speaker 1: give me, give me an example of a tiny blunder

664
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Speaker 1: made in that war, in that conflict that that might

665
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: have turned, that might have saved American lives, that might

666
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: have saved Vietnamese lives.

667
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: That but.

668
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: A mistake was made, And I mean something something as

669
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Speaker 1: small as like you said, eyeglasses or forgetting to lock

670
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Speaker 1: a door, can have major implications on what goes on.

671
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Speaker 6: Yes, now we asked that question and I discussed that

672
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Speaker 6: in the second book. Is that I think there are

673
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Speaker 6: two wars in the last sixties, some ideas that uh,

674
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Speaker 6: the United States was involved in, they could have been

675
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 6: avoided all together. The Vietnam War, I think the war

676
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 6: in a rock uh so John Saddam us saying in

677
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 6: both cases we had Texans and I'm from Texas, very

678
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 6: proud to be from Texas, uh, that were presidents of

679
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 6: the United States. And there's a recording of Lennon Johnson

680
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 6: talking to the Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, and he said, listen,

681
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 6: what I want you to do, Bob, is to have

682
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 6: some people put some pant up from pans together talking

683
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 6: about Vietnam, and go over there and.

684
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 7: Hooks the whole out of them.

685
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 6: Okay, okay for the United States given the hooked it

686
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Speaker 6: out of them, well okay. Now, Eisenhower, by the way,

687
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 6: he was born in Texas, was raised in Kansas, was

688
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 6: very careful and very measured to avoid war. He was,

689
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 6: by the way, a excellent poker player and a bridge player,

690
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 6: and he knew just the right kind of finesse to

691
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 6: put the right kind of pressure and also back away,

692
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 6: and he was able to avoid starting any armed conflicts

693
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 6: having a soldiers killed during his administration. He was a

694
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 6: much more careful and cautious and measured Lynnon Johnson quite

695
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 6: a bit more by nature of his personality or the

696
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 6: fact he was raised. See why I was back there

697
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 6: at the elementary school, and so the teachers textas history,

698
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 6: whether it's all about the Alamo, learned all about Santa Sino,

699
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 6: We learned, you know, and there was kind of something

700
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 6: ingrained in Texans and war. So I think those two

701
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 6: wars that fundamental decision whether to escalate the situation in Vietnam.

702
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 6: It was a he called a tiny mistake or a

703
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 6: big mistake right there at the crux. And then also

704
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 6: the same thing, the decision to go to war and

705
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 6: rock made by another Texas president. I think both of

706
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 6: them were what do you call it, a tiny mistake,

707
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 6: a big mistake right there at that critical point, they

708
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 6: made a wrong turn at the crossroads.

709
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you, I mean from a personal standpoint,

710
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: how do you look back on your service in Vietnam?

711
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: You're a decorated combat infantryman. So because I know so

712
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: many Vietnam veterans because of the lack of a welcome home,

713
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: because of public sentiment being pushed against them, and in

714
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: many cases they were ignored. When you hear thank you

715
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: for your service, you guys didn't hear that. By and large,

716
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: as you look back on that, how do you view

717
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: everything that happened? I know you were proud to serve,

718
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: but just in retrospect, Jared, Yes, I.

719
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Speaker 6: Heard stories about some servicemen coming back and being sped on,

720
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 6: and so and so forth. I came back to Texas again,

721
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 6: to Texas, and it was a welcoming, strong, welcoming, kind

722
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 6: of return that we got there, but he went back

723
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: to I don't know New Jersey or the ng for someplace.

724
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 6: There was a lot of bitterness and anger, and they

725
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 6: sometimes would turn that anger against the soldiers. Most of them,

726
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 6: by the way, did not want to be there.

727
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 7: They were there because they were drafted.

728
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 6: So they did it from one side from the enemy,

729
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 6: on the other side from the civilians that had come

730
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 6: back home. So it was a tough situation. My overall

731
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 6: feeling was just put simply that the entire war could

732
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Speaker 6: have been avoided.

733
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Speaker 7: Both that war and also the war in Rock.

734
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Speaker 3: Those two wars, yeah, could have been avoided.

735
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Speaker 6: I think it managed correctly, if fedess correctly, if they

736
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Speaker 6: had Eyes Now as president of the time, or if

737
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Speaker 6: you had John Donald Trump president at the time, they

738
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 6: would have found a way for a peaceful outcome.

739
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Speaker 10: Uh.

740
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Speaker 3: And you could go and talk further.

741
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Speaker 6: But Eyes now had the situation analyzed and studied. He

742
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 6: had a general origio, which way Matthew Ridgeway, one of

743
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 6: our best generals that we ever produced, who was very

744
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 6: successful in the Korean conflict, had him do it. Blue

745
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Speaker 6: Ribbon analysis of the whole situation in Vietnam would be

746
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 6: involved how many Air Force air wings would be involved,

747
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 6: how many Navy personnel, marine personnel, and those type of personnel.

748
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Speaker 6: And the conclusion of the report was that that's a

749
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Speaker 6: gorilla fighters paradise. You have the jungles, you had the monsoons,

750
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Speaker 6: you have the ad minds, you have the streams converging

751
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 6: across the number of screens, noun screams coming together in.

752
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: A fork, et cetera.

753
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Speaker 6: Where it's unlike Korea, where the war was fought on

754
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 6: an open hard ground, where the air forces plays a

755
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 6: big part, of tanks play a big part artillery.

756
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 7: This one was a gorilla fighters warfare.

757
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 6: And having so many people on the sacrifice to lives,

758
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 6: it was a very poor choice to go in there

759
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 6: in the first place.

760
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 7: So that was a lesson.

761
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 6: It was just a waste, terrible waste of lives as

762
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 6: well as men lives and treasure.

763
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: Well, it's a shame that no one listened to Eisenhower

764
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: when he warned about the rise of the military industrial complex,

765
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: right and was warning us off of that that war

766
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: path in Vietnam or as they called the time into China.

767
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, they he read the report and it was just

768
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 6: clear it was a huge, huge, tar baby that she

769
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 6: would get involved with there. It was you have to

770
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 6: literally pick your battles. You had to pick your wars

771
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 6: that should never have been fought. And so we basically

772
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 6: lost that war and he's lost how you want to

773
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 6: put it, And what terrible things happened in that Domino's

774
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 6: fall all the way to Paris.

775
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: No, they stopped right there. Thailand.

776
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 6: Thailand a good, strong, solid nation and they they were

777
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 6: no further than Thailand, and the whole the thing and

778
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 6: the people of South Vietnam would have been better off

779
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 6: if the war had been forged her.

780
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: Off under peaceful communism.

781
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 6: Then it would have been a war tour a situation

782
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 6: that they went through.

783
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 7: So it was just a sad, tragic mistake.

784
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you how do you view what's happening

785
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: in the Middle East right now? Do you think this

786
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: is historic? Do you think this is something that is

787
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: going to change the course? Is this this peace summit

788
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: going to bear any good fruit? Jarra, just in your

789
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: opinion with what we've seen in the past.

790
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 6: Yes, Now, Hillary Clinton, I'm coming of all people, Hillary Clinton.

791
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 6: She praised what was happening there with the cover administration

792
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 6: in the Middle East, and she didn't mention though, however,

793
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 6: there's always the day after. So here's that we've got

794
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 6: the agreement that positis is released. Now, what about what's next.

795
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 6: Are the people of Hamasa really going to lay down

796
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 6: their arms? There's kind of saying we'll give up our

797
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 6: missiles and our rockets.

798
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 7: We're not going to give up.

799
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 6: Our rivals and our machine guns, okay. And then also

800
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 6: when it comes to the whole arrest of Phage two

801
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 6: and Phase three, are the going to participate and the

802
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 6: governance of the guys are already willing to give that up? Well,

803
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 6: I don't know the two sticky points now. The term

804
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 6: administration is very optimistic, and you mentioned the thirty four nations,

805
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 6: and there's a lot of pressure coming from Turkey and

806
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 6: Qatar against Hamas if you do not participate, but pulling

807
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 6: a rug right out from under, you're not going to

808
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 6: have any support from any of the Arab nations. And

809
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 6: hopefully that pressure from the Arab nations as in the world.

810
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: Will make it click and make it work. Pray to

811
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: God that was what happens.

812
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 6: We don't know, but even if nothing else happens, what's

813
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 6: happened so far that has been a huge, huge step forward.

814
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: And you talk in the new book and again the

815
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: new book is a follow up to your first Tiny Blunder,

816
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters book two, And you talk also

817
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: about laboratory days.

818
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, are.

819
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: You including WUHAN and COVID in.

820
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: This yes, yes.

821
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 6: There's two of the biggest developments in medicine of the

822
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 6: last one hundred and twenty some odd years have taken

823
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 6: place because of the mistakes in the laboratory. One brilliant,

824
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 6: brillant breakthrough that has saved hundreds of millions of lives

825
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 6: came as a result of mistake in laboratory and the

826
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 6: other one, a more recent mistake, has cost at least

827
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 6: fifteen million people's lives and still counting the first one.

828
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 6: This is a very interesting story. Professor Fleming there way

829
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 6: back in Saint Mary's Hospital in London in nineteen twenty eight,

830
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 6: and he was a brilliant man, but he was a

831
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 6: fent mining professor type of guy, and he was known

832
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 6: for keeping a sloppy lamb and he was sort of

833
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 6: like the pack on the patron Saint of slobs everywhere.

834
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 7: So anyway, he was at his laboratory.

835
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 6: There he's going on vacation that priscot and okay, he

836
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 6: was leaving there and he.

837
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: Had these petrie dishes.

838
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 6: He just stussed out there on top of the Countibal,

839
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 6: I get that way to get back. He also looked

840
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 6: in the window why it opened to his laboratory.

841
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 7: We'll see you all in two weeks.

842
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 6: Where he goes and he comes back, and in the meantime,

843
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 6: apparently a pen of sellen mold blows them through the window. Okay,

844
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: and the opening and lands in one of the petri

845
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 6: dishes that was smeared with bacteria. The good professor comes back,

846
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 6: takes a look at his dishes.

847
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 7: What's this?

848
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: What's this? A mold right in the middle.

849
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 6: Of one of the dishes, and very important has killed

850
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 6: all the bacteria around it. There's a big halo halo

851
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 6: runner which kills all the bacteria surrounding its position. And

852
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 6: he instantly realized the importance. There's a killer and peninsuona

853
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 6: hole that kills bacteria. A giant epiphany and so and

854
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 6: he went on from there, and he publishes the results

855
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 6: he he tested and so and so forth published his results.

856
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 6: But we've got kind of halfway ignored for about ten

857
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 6: years until.

858
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 7: A Professor fold of the doctor.

859
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 6: Foley at Oxford. We had a big laboratory. He was

860
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 6: doing a lot of research in the field. Comes across

861
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 6: this article. Wow, this is exactly what we're looking for,

862
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 6: and number of almost's a different kind of penicillin mols

863
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 6: that one lady working on a found on a wild

864
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 6: melon that was two hundred times more powerful and productive

865
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 6: than the original kind of penicill involved. They use X

866
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 6: rays and different and multiply this productivity afterwards a thousand

867
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 6: times greater. I mean, the big pharmachool companies in the

868
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 6: United States participated and they could go to the peniculin

869
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 6: in deep bats and so on and so forth, until

870
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 6: by nineteen forty two millions of doses were being manufactured

871
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 6: right in the middle of World War two and saved

872
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 6: tens of millions of lives and since then to saved

873
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 6: hundreds and hundreds of millions of lives, all because of

874
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 6: a single tiny mistake. Thank you for being a slob,

875
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 6: Professor Fleming, Okay, And then switching forward to or Nero,

876
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Speaker 6: there was something called gain of function research, and doctor

877
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Speaker 6: Fauci uh there at ut here in the United States

878
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Speaker 6: that he.

879
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Speaker 7: In I it's in I A I duh.

880
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Speaker 6: He funded he funded the research of gain and function

881
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 6: and research over there. The whole want left and some

882
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 6: people were warning this is very dangerous. They're combining two

883
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 6: different kinds of viruses. They would become much more vialleance

884
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 6: for for studying, and people would want to will if

885
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 6: somebody makes a mistake and is a league for the

886
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 6: laboratory or there's deliberate terrorism somebody league said they can

887
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 6: kill millions of people. Well, that's exactly what happened. And

888
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Speaker 6: about you were going to care for this whole fiction.

889
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 6: Oh well, it wasn't a laboratory. It was in that

890
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Speaker 6: wet market nearby from bats Well.

891
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Speaker 7: That has been totally fun.

892
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: He was just trying to cover his ass.

893
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Speaker 6: I mean exactly right, right, And the FBI and other

894
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 6: organizations said investigating committee, I said, and energy departments on

895
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 6: so of nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. Now it's clearly established it

896
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Speaker 6: was a again a function research mistake funded by the

897
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Speaker 6: United States that's killed at least fifteen million people. That's

898
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 6: a whole opens up a whole can of worms. There

899
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Speaker 6: are people on the committees that review whether the government

900
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 6: should endorse or approve various vaccines being manufactured. They're allowed

901
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 6: to receive royalties from the pharmaceutical companies and it's not illegal,

902
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 6: and regard that they don't even legally don't even have

903
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Speaker 6: to answer questions about it. It's just a horrible, horrible,

904
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 6: it's handle, it's amazing, terrible, conflict of interest, terrible.

905
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Speaker 1: Indeed, that's the only word for it, terrible. Jared Not,

906
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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. The book Tiny Blunders,

907
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Speaker 1: Big Mistakes too. It's out now and I wish you

908
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Speaker 1: great success with the book.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, if if please go to Tiny Bunders, Big Disasters

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Speaker 6: dot com. It's a fun website there. We have Instagram

911
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Speaker 6: reels there. They're fun to see at John Wayne, you

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Speaker 6: know I'm real, and we have three free chapters Tiny Blunders,

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Speaker 6: Big Disasters dot com.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, thank you, Jared.

915
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Speaker 1: Jared Not tonight and Thomas Habland is joining us after

916
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Speaker 1: the news break with the story of how you get

917
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Speaker 1: rid of those spike proteins, you know, the ones that

918
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Speaker 1: came out of that virus. Jared was just talking about

919
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 1: that leaked out of the lab that Fauci was responsible for.

920
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Speaker 1: It's all ahead. It's Habland, who is an Air Force

921
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Speaker 1: veteran and has been on the program a number of times.

922
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Speaker 1: The first time was talking about these white fibrous blood

923
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Speaker 1: clots that were being found by embalmers all over the country.

924
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Speaker 1: And we did an update on that show not that

925
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Speaker 1: long ago, because there are new reports out and more

926
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Speaker 1: testimony from these people examining the corpses of peace people

927
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Speaker 1: in the Covid area era who had had the vaccine

928
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Speaker 1: one of the jabs and upon their death, the corners

929
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Speaker 1: the embalmers were finding all of these weird white clots

930
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Speaker 1: that pretty much before that were almost unheard of or unseen,

931
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Speaker 1: and he brought it to our attention. And now we're

932
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Speaker 1: going to talk about spike proteins a little bit, but

933
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Speaker 1: maybe some updates on the white clots in any regard.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Hamlin, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Gary, Jeff, Thanks for having me back on the

937
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Speaker 11: show again. And you're right. The last couple of times

938
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Speaker 11: we've talked, you know, my message has been kind of gloomy.

939
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Speaker 11: My last twenty twenty four worldwide and Balmer blood cloth

940
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Speaker 11: survey invallver said they were seeing the white vibrus clots

941
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Speaker 11: in astonishing twenty four percent of their corpses. So one

942
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Speaker 11: out of every four dead bodies has these things in them,

943
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Speaker 11: and these involvers have never seen these things prior to

944
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Speaker 11: COVID for the vaccines.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 11: So, but today I come to do with some encouraging news.

947
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Speaker 11: We're going to talk to say about spike protein. And

948
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Speaker 11: there's a team of scientists that myself and involve A.

949
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Speaker 11: Richard Hirschman are in contact with that have come up

950
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Speaker 11: with good ways to not only detect whether there's dangerous

951
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Speaker 11: amounts of spike protein in somebody's body, but then also

952
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Speaker 11: come up with some interesting natural supplements to help get

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Speaker 11: rid of that spike protein.

954
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Speaker 5: Well, first, it had very good success in doing that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, first and foremost, we need to describe for the

956
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Speaker 1: listeners what spike proteins are and if they've never heard

957
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Speaker 1: the term before. I have, but obviously you have, but

958
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Speaker 1: a lot of people may not know what spike proteins

959
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: are and why they're bad, and how to detect them

960
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Speaker 1: and all of that. And the spike protein is caused

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Speaker 1: by the manufactured virus, the covid, Is that correct?

962
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Speaker 11: Yeah? On this you think of the virus, it looks

963
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Speaker 11: like a ball and then coming out of the ball

964
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Speaker 11: or a bunch of spikes, and that is the spike protein,

965
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Speaker 11: and that's actually what the dangerous part of the virus

966
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Speaker 11: that actually attaches to cells and can you know, like

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Speaker 11: in your nose or lining of your lungs and can

968
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Speaker 11: cause a lot of problems when people get what's called

969
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Speaker 11: the cytokine storm when they catch covid thanks to the

970
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Speaker 11: spike protein on the surface of the virus. But then,

971
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Speaker 11: as you know, the vaccines were made to produce that

972
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Speaker 11: same spike protein, which a lot of people think that

973
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Speaker 11: was a mistake. In fact, the scientists that produced the

974
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Speaker 11: vaccines basically produced a what's called a modified messenger RNA

975
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Speaker 11: that they put inside a phospholip and nanoparticle and they

976
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Speaker 11: that's what's in the vaccine and then that's injected. Remember

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Speaker 11: it was injected into your deltoid muscle in your upper arm,

978
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Speaker 11: and it was supposed to produce just enough spike protein

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Speaker 11: from just a couple of days to a week to

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Speaker 11: listen immune response to get your rade for COVID if

981
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Speaker 11: it came. But that's not what happened at all. Your

982
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Speaker 11: HF that shot goes all over the body, that those

983
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 11: lipid nanoparticles carry that messenger RNA everywhere, and it turns

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Speaker 11: the entire body into a spike protein factory. And it

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Speaker 11: doesn't produce a spipe protein for just a couple of

986
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Speaker 11: days a week. They have founded producing spike protein for

987
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Speaker 11: over seven hundred days in the human body.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 11: So there's a lot of people out there that have

990
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Speaker 11: gotten way too much spike protein produced by the vaccine.

991
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Speaker 11: And that's where the problem comes in. And it's dangerous

992
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 11: because it causes these unusual side effects like these white

993
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Speaker 11: fiber's clots that I've been tracking for the last four years, myracriditis,

994
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Speaker 11: which is heart damage, information of the heart, miscarriages, turbo cancers,

995
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Speaker 11: nerve damage, all kinds of various side effects are associated

996
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Speaker 11: with this damaging spipe protein.

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Speaker 12: Now you have a You've got a meeting coming soon

998
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Speaker 12: in Austin, Texas where you're gonna meet with Senator Ron Johnson,

999
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Speaker 12: Rand Paul, doctor Peter McCullough and others.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about what that's all about.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'll be going there to talk primarily about the

1002
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Speaker 11: white fibrous clots, and I'll probably give them information on

1003
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Speaker 11: these new tests that are coming up to in case

1004
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 11: they're not aware of it. You know, there are tests

1005
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 11: out there right now that people can take to test

1006
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 11: for what's called spike protein antibody levels antibodies they're producing

1007
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Speaker 11: response to the spipe protein. And there's a test hit

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Speaker 11: produced by a lab Corp and another one by Quest.

1009
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Speaker 11: They cost about seventy dollars and people can go have

1010
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 11: their spipe protein antibodle antibody levels checked indirectly. And that's

1011
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 11: a good thing, but it's not as good as testing

1012
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 11: it directly. And that's where this team of scientists that

1013
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 11: we're working with. There was a interview this last weekend

1014
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 11: on a YouTube channel called Vegion Health ve jo N.

1015
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 11: It's run by a doctor Philip McMillan Gary Jeff and

1016
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Speaker 11: he was talking to the scientist Yoakum Gerlot from Germany

1017
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 11: who developed this better test to more accurately measure the

1018
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 11: spike protein directly. And what he does is he uses

1019
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 11: a the test uses what's called provocation because not all

1020
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 11: the spipe protein that in people's bodies that have the

1021
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 11: spike protein is free floating. A lot of it's actually

1022
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Speaker 11: caught up in the cells. So he uses a process

1023
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Speaker 11: called provocation first, where they use some certain drugs to

1024
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 11: provoke the spipe protein to leave those cells, then they

1025
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Speaker 11: can more accurately test for the spike protein. In fact,

1026
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Speaker 11: he did one test. He had thirteen different patients and

1027
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Speaker 11: of those only for of them yielded a positive result

1028
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 11: for the spike protein before he did the provocation with

1029
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 11: these natural supplements. But then after he applied to natural supplements,

1030
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Speaker 11: he tested those same thirteen of people again and eleven

1031
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 11: of them actually tested positive for damaging amounts of spike protein.

1032
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Speaker 11: So now he's coming close to having a very accurate

1033
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 11: test to help people detect whether they have damaging amounts

1034
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 11: of spike protein. And he hopes to get this on

1035
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 11: the market soon. So that's that's a good thing. But

1036
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Speaker 11: the real thing I think your listeners probably want to

1037
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 11: know is, Okay, now that if we can correctly detect

1038
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Speaker 11: the amount of spike protein that's in my body to

1039
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 11: help me get rid of it exactly, and what he's

1040
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 11: what's this Doctor Gurlock has come up with as a

1041
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 11: three prong approach, a three step process that has to

1042
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 11: be done in this particular order in order to clear

1043
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 11: the body of the spike protein. First of all, he

1044
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 11: uses what's called cinamorphics se nomorphics, and that's just a

1045
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 11: fancy name for compounds that basically restore damage cells that

1046
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 11: still can be saved. There cells have been somewhat damaged

1047
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 11: by the spike protein, but they can actually be brought

1048
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Speaker 11: back to life. And there's compounds out there like routine

1049
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 11: queer satin, curcumin, which is an extrack of tumeric and

1050
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 11: melatonin that can help these damage cells come back to life.

1051
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Speaker 11: The ones that can be saved. That's that's called cenamorphics.

1052
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 11: So then after that's done, whether there's some cells that

1053
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 11: you cannot be sayd there's too much spike protein and

1054
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 11: they destroyed the cell, and you have to get rid

1055
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 11: of those because they're still producing SPIKEE protein and to

1056
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 11: destroy those cells it cannot be saved of compounds that

1057
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 11: you use include quercitin in a larger dose and actually

1058
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 11: another compound called e eg CG and that's actually a

1059
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 11: component within green tea, and it helps clear out these

1060
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 11: zombie cells that they actually have stopped dividings. They're basically

1061
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 11: dead cells. They have stopped dividing. Okay, but then the

1062
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 11: third thing they have to do is, okay, once those cells,

1063
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 11: those ones he's used the synalytics on to destroy those cells.

1064
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 11: Those cells actually release the SPIKEE protein in them and

1065
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 11: now it's free floating again and they can combine with

1066
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 11: another healthy cell and damage it. So you need to

1067
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 11: have spike protein binders that actually then bind that to

1068
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 11: that spipe protein. So there's other compounds out there, like

1069
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 11: hesperidin is one. There's another one that's can cannabinoid.

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01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 5: Well that's actually what it's from Hemp.

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01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, Canada. So I'm not saying people in your audience

1072
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 11: should go out there and start smoking weed, but it

1073
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Speaker 11: is interesting that cannabinoids hold on.

1074
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Speaker 6: Tom.

1075
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Speaker 1: I don't think you need to encourage some of my listeners.

1076
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: I think they're already on board with that program. But anyway,

1077
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Speaker 1: go ahead.

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Speaker 11: So, yeah, hesperodin and cannabinoids can actually help the spike

1079
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 11: protein not bind to what's called the ACE two receptor.

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01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 11: You may have heard about that on our cells. So

1081
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 11: if yeah, so instead of binding to our cells ACE

1082
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 11: two receptors, these products bind up the spikee protein, then

1083
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 11: it could be taken out of the body as waste.

1084
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 11: So what he's done is he's through a combination of

1085
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 11: those drugs that I've mentioned there's actually natural supplements can

1086
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 11: people can buy over the counter. Using all three of

1087
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 11: those approaches on centamorphics, synalytics, and then these spike protein binders,

1088
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Speaker 11: He's been able to see a ninety percent reduction in

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Speaker 11: the spike protein and the people that are using those

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Speaker 11: products over just a two month period. He's also seen

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Speaker 11: a decrease in the microclots that I've been tracking that

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Speaker 11: is caused by the spike protein as well. Yeah, and

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Speaker 11: the babers are tracking, he's seen reduction of microcloths as well,

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Speaker 11: So then they will not eventually form these larger giant

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Speaker 11: macro cloths, these white fibrous clots. So this is really

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Speaker 11: good news Gary Jeff that they have a way now

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Speaker 11: to detect the spike protein and then natural supplements can

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Speaker 11: be taken in a certain order in combination to clear

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Speaker 11: that spike protein out of the body.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if there is any correlation between Do

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Speaker 1: we have any way of knowing if these microclots have

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Speaker 1: any correlation with the COVID death toll?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they're both damaging.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 11: The white fiber's closs are the big ones that, by

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Speaker 11: the way, are in living people as well. Because I'm

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Speaker 11: in touch with a cardiologist and then a bachelor's specialists

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Speaker 11: from Jacksonville, Florida, doctor Mahonab. The Shehrit has been removing

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Speaker 11: the same white fiber's class from living people for the

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Speaker 11: last four years.

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Speaker 1: But those are.

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Speaker 11: Causing strokes and heart attacks. The microclotting and what the

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Speaker 11: involvers describe and what looks like dirty blood or coffee

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Speaker 11: grounds in the blood coming off the corpse. That occurs

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Speaker 11: at your small blood vessels, your capillary level, and it

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Speaker 11: blocks the exchange of oxygen at the lungs, at the

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Speaker 11: carrying of that oxygen all around the body to your

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Speaker 11: major organs, including your eyes and your brain. That's why

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Speaker 11: a lot of people we think maybe having brain fog

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Speaker 11: or poor vision problems, they probably have microclotting going out

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Speaker 11: inside their head. So if these products can help get

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Speaker 11: rid of that microclotting, this could be a tremendous development

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Speaker 11: for the humanity.

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Speaker 2: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: I just had a guy named Jared Nott who was

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Speaker 1: a Vietnam veteran and he's also an author of a

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Speaker 1: book called Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters Too. This is his

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Speaker 1: second history book on small mistakes that had big consequences,

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Speaker 1: whether it be wars. And in this book he highlights

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Speaker 1: two labor toy mistakes, one that saved millions of lives,

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Speaker 1: the discovery of penicillin inside Fleming's sloppy laboratory. And yes,

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Speaker 1: and then he also highlights what was going on in

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Speaker 1: Wuhan with Fauci and the gain of function research that

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Speaker 1: we were paying for. We didn't know we were paying for,

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Speaker 1: but we were paying for in China. That led, of

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Speaker 1: course to the COVID lab leak. And and he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, these these things aren't always as ominous as

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Speaker 1: they seem. Sometimes they're just a you know, a little

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Speaker 1: mistake or a little blip or bumping the road, and

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Speaker 1: it becomes this giant chasm which swallows a lot of

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Speaker 1: people up in its wake. Do you think the COVID

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Speaker 1: thing was I mean, just your personal no evidence that

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Speaker 1: it was purposely leaked or was a mistake. Do you

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Speaker 1: believe it was a mistake.

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Speaker 11: I'm not sure about how it was released, But the

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Speaker 11: virus itself is definitely a bioweapon. It's got all the

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Speaker 11: ear markings of a bioweapon. And unfortunately they chose to

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Speaker 11: create in the vaccines the most deadly part of that bioweapon,

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Speaker 11: which was despite protein. That's what they recreated in the vaccine.

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Speaker 11: And what really shocks me. You're a Jeff by the way,

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Speaker 11: I think that the shots have probably killed about seventeen

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Speaker 11: million around the world.

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Speaker 5: The shot he permanently injured.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, the vaccine has and it's probably injured permanently injured

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Speaker 11: about one hundred million people around the world. So it's

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Speaker 11: been devastating to humanity. Yeah, and I'm just shocked that,

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Speaker 11: as you know, President Donald Trump just took it this

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Speaker 11: last weekend. I think he either the report come out

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Speaker 11: last week that he took his during his annual physical,

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Speaker 11: he took his shot and his annual COVID shot COVID booster.

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Speaker 11: And I'm scared for the president because I think he's

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Speaker 11: seventy eight years old. You know, he eats a lot

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Speaker 11: of McDonald's, so bains and arteries may not be in

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Speaker 11: that great a shape in the first place. But you know,

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Speaker 11: he's just injected himself with billions, billions with a B

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Speaker 11: lip anoparticles, each containing that modified RNA code that's producing

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Speaker 11: the same dangerous bike protein that we've been talking about

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Speaker 11: for the last few minutes.

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Speaker 1: Now, is this mRNA, this modified RNA code, is it

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Speaker 1: capable of actually changing human DNA? I've heard that reported

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Speaker 1: other places or supposed that it could happen. I mean,

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Speaker 1: could that actually alter your DNA?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, there's some talk about it reverse transcribing into our DNA. Now,

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Speaker 11: as you know that at least the pfixer sizes. We

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Speaker 11: know also in addition to the modified RNA that is

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Speaker 11: the inside the lip bananoparticles because of the process they

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Speaker 11: use to make that for the world, they use kind

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Speaker 11: of a sloppy process that actually resulted in a lot

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Speaker 11: of DNA plasmids DNA also being contained in the vials,

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Speaker 11: and that's what scientists are worry about. In addition to

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Speaker 11: what's called the SV forty promoter sequence, which is a

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Speaker 11: semion virus forty monkey virus sequence that has also been

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Speaker 11: discovered in the Pfizer vials as well. So it's a

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Speaker 11: high concern. That's what Joe Ladipoe, you know, the certain

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Speaker 11: general for Florida, one of the Pfiser products at least

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Speaker 11: pulled from the market immediately because what's called adulteration, because

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Speaker 11: that was not identified to be in the vials, but

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Speaker 11: it was in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas, I really appreciate your latest report. Good luck

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Speaker 1: on your meeting with these scientists and doctors and senators.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I'll.

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Speaker 4: Give you a call in a few months.

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Speaker 11: Here I'm running my worldwide and barber Blok Class survey

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Speaker 11: for the year twenty twenty five up coming here in

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Speaker 11: November December, Garry Jeffsonry. After I finished that, I'll give

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Speaker 11: you a call with the results of what the vomers say.

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Speaker 1: We will get an update, sir, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: and keep up the good work.

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Speaker 11: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: A vigilant fighter against us all being poisoned. Thomas Haviland

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01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: on the Nightcap Doctor John Huber, forensic psychologist and my

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: friend coming up after the news news at eleven o'clock tonight.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I definitely want to get

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: into with the doc is what are the psychological effects

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 1: of being held hostage in captivity for over two years

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01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: by murderous bastards like Hamas and what's the key to

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Speaker 1: getting over that? And I'll treat him like a hostage

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Speaker 1: because because he actually enjoys it. He enjoys the Stockholm syndrome.

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Speaker 1: It's the nightcap on a Monday night back in just

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Speaker 1: a few on seven hundred wl W you into another

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Speaker 1: hour of the Nightcap. Yeah, this is the right place.

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Speaker 1: I hope it's not the wrong time. We'll find out

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Speaker 1: as the conversation continues on this Monday night, Gary Jeff

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Speaker 1: with a good doctor.

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Speaker 2: In the house. But not been wrong.

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Speaker 6: No, not that.

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Speaker 1: Doctor, producer, Producer got the wrong doctor. I'm gonna keep

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Speaker 1: looking for the doctor Huber theme music.

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Speaker 2: I found the doctor John.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We have from somewhere in the great state of Texas,

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Speaker 1: our friend, our friendly forensic psychologists based out of Austin,

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Speaker 1: the one and only doctor John Huber. Doctor John, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. How are you, my friend?

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Speaker 10: I am amazing, Gary Jeff. It is just such a

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Speaker 10: pleasure to be here with you this evening.

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Speaker 1: You're a good liar too, So so what have you

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01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: been doing with yourself other than just helping heal people?

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01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 10: Well, you know, I've been doing lots of things right now. Actually,

1230
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Speaker 10: I'm prepping.

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Speaker 5: I've got court this week, and.

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Speaker 10: So I'm on my way down to an attorney's office

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Speaker 10: to go over some stuff before I get to do

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Speaker 10: my expert witness bill and just keep one foot in.

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Speaker 5: Front of the other.

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Speaker 1: So how how difficult is it to get like if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're there for the defense or you're there

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Speaker 1: for the prosecution. How how difficult is it to get

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Speaker 1: the other side, uh, to let you, as an expert

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Speaker 1: witness examine their client.

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Speaker 10: Well, what what typically happens is the judge that determines

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Speaker 10: who the experts are and then the other side doesn't

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Speaker 10: really have a choice. The judge has determined that this

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Speaker 10: person or that person is an expert. That does not

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Speaker 10: mean that the other side can't say, well, we want

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Speaker 10: to have our own experts do the do an evaluation

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Speaker 10: as well. And so they're they're they're able to do that.

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Speaker 10: I mean, that's that's fair game.

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Speaker 1: How much time generally do you spend with a subject

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Speaker 1: to determine if they have a psychological leg to stand

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Speaker 1: on in either their defense or their prosecution.

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Speaker 2: How much time do you generally have to.

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Speaker 10: Spend that that depends And and an interesting thing, you know,

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Speaker 10: I brought this up to my my daughter's boyfriend. It's

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Speaker 10: like I have been in prison, and I'm not afraid

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Speaker 10: to go back because because I've gone and evaluated a

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Speaker 10: lot of people in prison, and not because I've actually

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Speaker 10: been sentenced to prison, but because I've actually been there.

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Speaker 2: But hey, listen, find some wood and say yet.

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Speaker 13: Just in yeah, I'm knocking on it right now. Okay,

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Speaker 13: don't go there, man, I don't need that kind of karment.

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Speaker 13: So anyway, it just it depends. You know, there's some

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Speaker 13: situations where I need to spend a lot more time

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Speaker 13: and others I don't have to spend as much time.

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Speaker 13: But generally speaking, you know, I do have to see

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Speaker 13: the person in question face to face. So like even

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Speaker 13: during COVID, I know that there were some exceptions and

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Speaker 13: they allowed people to do zoom stuff. But the problem is,

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Speaker 13: you know, I'm if I'm working with somebody. You know,

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Speaker 13: when I'm working with somebody for mental health reasons in

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Speaker 13: my practice, they generally want to get better and they're

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Speaker 13: less likely to be predisposed to lie to me. However,

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Speaker 13: when I'm working with somebody in a litigations situation, I

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Speaker 13: know that they are probably lying to me. So I

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Speaker 13: need to have that face to face where I can

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Speaker 13: actually see them. I can watch body language, I can

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Speaker 13: watch their fidgeting feet or their hands, which oftentimes can

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Speaker 13: be hidden with zoom. So I do actually make it

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Speaker 13: a point and if I am not allowed to see

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Speaker 13: the person face to face.

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Speaker 7: I refuse to do the case. I mean, that's just shit.

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Speaker 2: I mean you have to have examined the patient to

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Speaker 2: make a determination one way or the.

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Speaker 10: Other, absolutely, whether it's competency to stand trial or insanity

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Speaker 10: plea or mitigating circumstances like you know, somebody truly has

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Speaker 10: a mental health issue such as schizophrenia, and they may

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Speaker 10: be competent to stand trials and moment because they're medicated,

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Speaker 10: but they may out have been on their medication whenever

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Speaker 10: whatever they did that brought them to court happened.

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Speaker 2: Right, whenever that occurred.

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Speaker 1: I've just always been curious about and you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: you were headed on your way to court, which is

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Speaker 1: a it is granted a big part of your livelihood

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Speaker 1: testifying as an expert witness along with your practice. Let

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Speaker 1: me go ahead and do some follow ups here, Ketamine.

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Speaker 1: Are you still a patient as well as a doctor

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Speaker 1: when it comes to ketamine?

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Speaker 10: Well, yeah, I do have I do have a bad

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Speaker 10: shoulder and I have chronic pain from that. However, you know,

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Speaker 10: some situations at COMP I may be actually getting an

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Speaker 10: artificial shoulder joint. If anybody wants to bark in and

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01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,719
Speaker 10: give you some feedback on that if they've had one.

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01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 10: But the hope is that it would get rid of

1304
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 10: a lot of my chronic pain, and then I probably

1305
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 10: would not be a ketemine patient for much longer after that.

1306
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 10: But my understanding is I will need pain medication immediately

1307
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,839
Speaker 10: following the surgery, So I'd much rather have that than opience,

1308
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 10: which causes a lot of other effects, side effects and

1309
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 10: problems for you.

1310
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've mentioned what what are and I know.

1311
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: We've talked about this, we've touched on it before, doctor Hubert,

1312
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: But what are the if any effects of dependency that

1313
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: comes with ketamine as a as A as opposed to opioids.

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01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 10: Well, it is psychologically dependent. There are some people that

1315
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,440
Speaker 10: the evidence has suggested there may be a physical physiological

1316
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 10: but for the majority overwhelming population, the worst risk is

1317
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 10: that psychological dependence. Because when it works for you, it

1318
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 10: works really, really well, and it's almost like you're afraid

1319
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 10: not to have it available to you if something were

1320
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 10: to happen, whether it's for your anxiety, for your depression,

1321
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 10: for your PTSD, or like myself, for chronic pain. It

1322
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 10: is amazing at getting ready of the pain, you know,

1323
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,959
Speaker 10: I broke my shoulder the first time when I was eighteen,

1324
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 10: and that was a few weeks ago, and that yeah, yeah,

1325
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 10: I you know, I stopped teaching at the university after

1326
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 10: twenty one years, so if that gives you any idea,

1327
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 10: it's been it's been a while, sure, And I used

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 10: the opiates for a very long time and they never

1329
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 10: made the pain go away. They just made me not

1330
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 10: care about the pain.

1331
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 3: It kind of muted it.

1332
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 10: But when when one of my doctor friends recommended I

1333
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 10: tried kety Mean for chronic pain. It literally it was

1334
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 10: the first time since I broke my shoulder in eighteen

1335
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 10: that I did not actually feel pain in my shoulder.

1336
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 10: It was It was amazing and I'm still amazed by

1337
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 10: it and still works that way for me.

1338
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 2: So how often how often do you have to go

1339
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: and do a treatment done?

1340
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 10: Well, I have not done an actual and few us

1341
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 10: in a very very long time. But I do take

1342
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 10: oral pain management meds from for Ketemy, and I take

1343
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 10: that at night when I go to bed, and it

1344
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 10: allows me to go to sleep, and I get up

1345
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 10: in the morning and I'm fine, and I keep moving,

1346
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 10: and then of course, you know, it starts inching its

1347
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 10: way up to the surface that chronic pain, and by

1348
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,839
Speaker 10: the end of the day, I'm ready to take another

1349
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 10: dose and I can go to sleep, and you know,

1350
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 10: and and it works really well that way for me.

1351
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 10: I'm blessed in that advantage. I don't have to deal

1352
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 10: with opiate they're in midday or you know. You know,

1353
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 10: obviously I couldn't take them when I'm when I'm getting

1354
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 10: ready to get up on stand or witness stand, because

1355
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 10: that that could somehow jeopardize and make me make mistakes.

1356
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 10: And I'm not willing to do that. And with the

1357
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 10: ketemy and I can take it the night before, it

1358
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 10: has you know, about four to six hours of effect

1359
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 10: on memory and stuff like that. But I'm sleeping through

1360
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:01,839
Speaker 10: those and I get up in the morning and I'm fine.

1361
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: Well, I know that in the when Matthew Perry died

1362
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 1: and the cause was first called ketamine overdose, a lot

1363
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: of people became wary of something that I know that

1364
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: you and I talked of. With the right supervision and

1365
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: a doctor's care, it's a very safe, effective manager of

1366
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: pain and for anxiety and PTSD and the like. But

1367
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: the Matthew Perry thing was an unusual case.

1368
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 10: Was it not it was exactly. And the thing is

1369
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 10: he was on three other opiates that he took at

1370
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 10: the same time as that ketamine. And the funny thing

1371
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 10: is the opiates have not been mentioned in the court proceedings,

1372
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 10: and probably the reason why is there's three major drug

1373
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 10: manufacturers that own patents to those. Nobody owns a patent

1374
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 10: to the ketymine because it's been it was created by

1375
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 10: the federal government, it's been on the marketplace since nineteen

1376
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 10: seventy and nobody owns a patent to it, so it's

1377
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 10: really easy to beat up. At the same time, his

1378
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 10: doctors were negligent. One of his doctors pleaded guilty to

1379
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 10: giv him. My believer it was twenty eighth vials of

1380
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 10: ketemie and that that is way more than a month prescription.

1381
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 7: Let's just put it.

1382
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 10: At the very least. It's I don't you know, with

1383
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 10: all the patients I see, with the physicians I work here,

1384
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 10: we probably don't go through that much with all my

1385
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,879
Speaker 10: patients in half a year, I mean.

1386
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, And.

1387
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 1: So he had he had like a two years supply

1388
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: and apparently he over and bibed, plus the three opiates

1389
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:49,879
Speaker 1: he was taking as.

1390
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 10: Well, right, well, depending upon the size of the vials,

1391
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 10: the vials can come up to there there in two, four,

1392
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 10: five and ten millileter vials if they were the ten

1393
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 10: milli leader vials. Most of my patients, even myself, I

1394
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 10: don't go through a vial with the daily medication. That's

1395
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 10: you know, that is basically a gram of ketamine. And

1396
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 10: I don't go through that in a ninety day supply

1397
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 10: for my medication. So it man that is that is

1398
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 10: a lot of ketamine.

1399
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 7: And and you know.

1400
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 10: The guy guy, the doctor lost his license and then

1401
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:39,440
Speaker 10: he I believe he got ten or twenty year incarceration

1402
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 10: for that. So I mean that that was a big

1403
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 10: no no, and it was not being safe. And you

1404
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 10: can you can talk to any of my patients and

1405
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 10: or any of the physicians I work with, because I

1406
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 10: am not an MD and I do not have my

1407
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 10: DEA license, so I have to work in conjunction with

1408
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 10: a physician who does. And so the advantages to that

1409
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 10: is we're making sure both of us are being safe.

1410
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 10: There's no there's neither one of us can cheat and

1411
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 10: cut corners. So that's one of the reasons why the

1412
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 10: doctors I work with prefer to do it that way,

1413
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 10: and I prefer to do it that way as well.

1414
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 10: You know, there are some states I could go and

1415
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 10: get my DEA license in here in Texas, that's not

1416
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 10: an option at this point, and I kind of like

1417
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 10: not having that extra bit of liability right there.

1418
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you on that.

1419
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: We're talking to forensic psychologists doctor John Huber on the

1420
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: Nightcap this evening, and I wanted to switch gears here

1421
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: for a second doc and talk about this miraculous homecoming

1422
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: today in Israel with twenty living hostages being returned to

1423
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: their families and their country from Hamas after more than

1424
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: seven hundred days been a little over two years they've

1425
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: been held hostage. One have you have you had to

1426
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: examine anyone who has been held hostage for any amount

1427
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: of time before?

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01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 10: No, I can't think of the time that I have now.

1429
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 10: As university professor, I have invited hostages or past hostages

1430
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 10: to come and talk to my classes and stuff like that.

1431
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 10: But I do have that angle, but I've never done

1432
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 10: a formal evaluation on right a hostage.

1433
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so what do you think these people are

1434
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: going to be going through in the coming in the

1435
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 1: coming days, in the coming weeks, in the coming months,

1436
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:45,839
Speaker 1: is it possible for for all of them to return

1437
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: to some semblance of normalcy or is this something that

1438
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: is going to be a psychological state in their lives

1439
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: for as long as they live.

1440
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 2: What do you think?

1441
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 10: That whole post that that that that is a completely

1442
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 10: possible range for every single individual, And the difference is

1443
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 10: exactly how much trauma they were put through in the process,

1444
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 10: you know, because we've heard the reports of some of

1445
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 10: the female individuals being raped daily, sometimes multiple times a

1446
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 10: day and things like that, you know, and there's always

1447
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 10: that possibility. I know, I've tilted on a hostage case

1448
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 10: where the female was raped and then she was kept

1449
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 10: song that she actually delivered at least one child, maybe

1450
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 10: two before she was removed from that situation, and that

1451
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 10: can be a whole other thing. Also, you know, the

1452
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 10: type of abuse, what type of physical damage was done,

1453
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 10: the psychological damage, and then going back to the individuals,

1454
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 10: they're coping mechanisms, their coping skill. You know, if you

1455
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 10: go back and you may have heard of Victor Frankel

1456
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 10: and he talked about, you know, how he survived being

1457
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 10: in the prisoner of war camps.

1458
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 7: You know, with the Germans and stuff like that, and.

1459
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 10: He talked about how he had to find meaning and

1460
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 10: everything he did, and he came up with, you know,

1461
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 10: his famous book, man Search for Meaning, and a lot

1462
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 10: of people couldn't find that meaning and they just kind

1463
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 10: of gave up. They the fight to survive ended. And

1464
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 10: that's such a great possibility for any of these individuals

1465
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 10: and until they get back, and you know, there's always

1466
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:36,440
Speaker 10: that great we would imagine this great relief and uplifting

1467
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 10: that you think, oh my god, you know, I'm going

1468
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 10: to be free from this. But there's part of them.

1469
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 10: And again these are from people that I talked to

1470
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 10: after the fact that I didn't actually do evaluations. It's like, okay,

1471
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 10: are they lying to me?

1472
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 7: Is this a setups?

1473
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 10: I'll put my guard down so they can kill me,

1474
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 10: so they can do some other kind of abuse to me.

1475
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 10: So it's not always as nice and peaceful.

1476
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 7: As we would like it to be for these individuals.

1477
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 1: Well, you know, our prayers go out to them and

1478
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: their families and just glad that they're finally home after

1479
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: this terrible, terrible odyssey that they've been subjected to.

1480
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 6: Doc.

1481
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: It's always great to talk to you man, and I'm

1482
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: glad you had time today. Tonight you can you can

1483
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: go back to uh whatever it was you were doing before.

1484
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just.

1485
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 10: Making my way down to to the out of town

1486
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 10: from Austin to go and prepare for the court case

1487
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 10: and get up in the morning.

1488
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 7: And and uh.

1489
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 3: That's all right.

1490
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 10: I'm doing well.

1491
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 6: Doc.

1492
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: We wish you all the best. Uh make some money.

1493
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 1: If you make more than you should, then send some

1494
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 1: to me. Absolutely, Okay, Doctor John Huber from deep in

1495
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 1: the heart of Texas. Well maybe, and uh just loved

1496
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 1: having the Doctor on always do we have a little

1497
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 1: bit lift. We got the wild Man coming up with

1498
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 1: a half an hour of sports for the out of sorts.

1499
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 1: That would be him next on seven under WLW. And

1500
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: so finally that point in the evening has arrived where

1501
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: we talk to the sports Commando himself.

1502
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,799
Speaker 2: The wild Man.

1503
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: Is back on the Nightcap as we get into our

1504
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: new fall season. While we're two for two, wild Man

1505
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: last week and now this week, you're back and we have.

1506
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 2: A lot to cover.

1507
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: So first I wanted to tell you this, I wanted

1508
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 1: to preface it with this. I've had three guests on

1509
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: my show that proudly served in the Armed Services of

1510
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: the United States. One Jared not who was a Vietnam

1511
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: combat in for Infantrymen, decorated officer, Christina Bob who was

1512
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 1: in the Marines as a lawyer. And then of course Gosh,

1513
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: who was the other one we've had. We've had three

1514
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:06,560
Speaker 1: people in the military.

1515
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,520
Speaker 2: You were prime, prime.

1516
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: Meet in nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy to be drafted

1517
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: into Vietnam.

1518
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: How did you avoid going to war? Wild man?

1519
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 5: I had a high lottery number each time. Lucky you,

1520
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,719
Speaker 5: lucky man. And had I would had I been drafted,

1521
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 5: I was already talking to joining the Coast Guard. I

1522
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 5: had already made plans to join the Coastguards because I

1523
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 5: was not going over and fighting that workless war. There

1524
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 5: was no way I was going over there and fighting

1525
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 5: that workless war. And those were those three people that

1526
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 5: you had on God love them. I salute them, thanks

1527
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 5: so much for their service. In fact, in fact that

1528
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 5: my family, Gary Jeff, the only person that served in

1529
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 5: the Armed Services was my father in World War Two.

1530
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 5: He was in Germany, Luxembourg, Luxembourg, he was in Belgium,

1531
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 5: he was in France. He was an expert on the

1532
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 5: machine gun.

1533
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas Hamlin was the other guest that I've had tonight.

1534
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: He was in the Air Force. And I'm with you.

1535
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,679
Speaker 1: I stand in solidarity, shoulders shoulder with you, saying thank

1536
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: you for your service everybody who served in the military.

1537
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: And my dad served in the Navy for a couple

1538
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: of years back in the mid fifties. So we got

1539
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 1: our we got our service check there. You got your dad.

1540
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 1: You could have you could have joined us. A A.

1541
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 5: I've got my dad's medals too, I got him. I'm

1542
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 5: looking right at him as we speak.

1543
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 2: I've got all and your dad. Your dad was in

1544
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: World War Two. You said World War two.

1545
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 3: He's one to twice.

1546
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 5: He's got a purple heart, and he's got a purple

1547
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 5: heart with the cluster, Yes, on to twice.

1548
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: My goodness. Where you know what that what theater?

1549
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 5: He was in theater?

1550
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 2: What was he in Europe? Was he in the Pacific?

1551
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 5: He was in Europe? Yeah, he was, he was, He

1552
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 5: was in Europe. He was in France, he was in Belgium,

1553
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 5: he was in Germany. Yeah, he was with the fourth Division,

1554
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 5: the same division that captured Saddam Hussein.

1555
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 2: How about that?

1556
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's that's excellent. But this all happened before

1557
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 1: you were born.

1558
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, way before I was born.

1559
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean did he ever tell you stories or

1560
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: talk about yeah?

1561
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah.

1562
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 5: Well later on, later on, as he got a little

1563
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 5: bit older, he told me a few stories. Uh yeah,

1564
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 5: I would. I recall vividly a number of times I

1565
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 5: heard him screaming at night, like he must say, have nightmares.

1566
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 5: Oh you know, I could imagine that he was eighteen

1567
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 5: years old going on seeing what he saw. Good lord,

1568
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 5: I mean, that's I mean, I had to be trauma

1569
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 5: for anybody back in those days, those game guys to

1570
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 5: go over there and put up with that.

1571
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 1: And considering when you went to high school, you probably

1572
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,799
Speaker 1: have several buddies that had to go.

1573
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 5: Right, I had a few. I had a few, and

1574
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 5: eight came back. But from my class of sixty nine,

1575
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 5: I think I only had two that went.

1576
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: But they home, good God bless them.

1577
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1578
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so we got that out of

1579
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 2: the way.

1580
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit before we before we get

1581
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: to dissecting the Bengals. And I know you're you're licking

1582
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: your chops ready to tell me that Joe, Joe is

1583
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: going to be the Saviors, going to be the savior

1584
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: of the season. You know, once he learns the playbook.

1585
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: Let's talk first about my Kansas City Chiefs and they

1586
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: come up and that the Detroit Lions got from them

1587
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: last night in Casey, I was so happy.

1588
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 2: Wild Man.

1589
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:34,759
Speaker 5: Well, you'll have to fill me in because I didn't

1590
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 5: watch one snap because I was watching the Mariners and

1591
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 5: the Blue Jays, So I didn't watch one snap of

1592
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 5: that game.

1593
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: Total total dominance of Dan Campbell's squad that came in

1594
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: four and one and a big head of steam, four

1595
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: straight wins. They came into Kansas City and they got

1596
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:53,759
Speaker 1: their butts beat.

1597
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 2: That's what happened.

1598
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 5: Well, no matter what you can say about Pat Mahomes,

1599
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 5: the guy's a winner. I mean had three touchdown passes.

1600
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 5: I recall I think he ran for one, did he not?

1601
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 2: Yes?

1602
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 5: And the guy, the guy is a great, great player,

1603
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 5: I mean the leader.

1604
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 2: He's the leading rusher on his team at quarterback.

1605
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 5: Well, the thing about Mahomes, it seems like in the

1606
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 5: spotlight he always steps up. And I'm sure he knew

1607
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 5: that this was going to be a big game. I mean,

1608
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 5: the Lions. A lot of people thinking the Lions could

1609
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 5: possibly you know, go to the Super Bowl and win

1610
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 5: it all. And the Lions came in there and the Chiefs,

1611
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 5: like you said, I put.

1612
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 3: It to him, put it to him, put.

1613
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 5: It to them hard.

1614
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what. And I like the Lions too.

1615
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 1: I like to watch that team. I think they're very

1616
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: exciting fun to watch. But last night they were neutralized.

1617
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Their running game was neutralized, and uh, Kansas City's offense,

1618
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 1: for the first time this year, really seemed to come alive.

1619
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:54,759
Speaker 1: Uh Kelsey was Kelsey was Kelsey again. He dropped a couple,

1620
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: but he had some big, big plays in that game.

1621
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 1: Isaiah Worthy and the Chiefs running game for what it was,

1622
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 1: it did the job thirty to seventeen. I'll take it

1623
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: as a Chiefs fan. All right, let's go. Let's talk

1624
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: about Sunday. Joe Flacco is in a car last Tuesday,

1625
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 1: coming from Cleveland. They didn't even fly him down and

1626
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 1: had a vehicle for him and his wife and had

1627
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: a vehicle for their belongings, and they cruised down seventy

1628
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: one or whatever they came down from Cleveland. He's handed

1629
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: a playbook on the ride there, the first time he'd

1630
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: seen it. Now, granted, Joe Flacco was a veteran quarterback.

1631
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: He's seen lots of playbooks and you know it's it's

1632
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: not like they're all that different. Only was Zach Taylor's playbook.

1633
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: It comes with with coloring pencils. But so he learning.

1634
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: He's learning the offensive playbook on the ride down. He

1635
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: suits up on Sunday on the road, and he quitted

1636
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 1: himself pretty well for somebody who didn't really know the

1637
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 1: offense at all before last Tuesday, didn't he.

1638
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 5: Joe Flacco also spoke on the phone with quite a

1639
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 5: bit with Taylor on the way here, and they went

1640
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 5: over terminology just to be you know, on the same

1641
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,080
Speaker 5: page and that kind of stuff, so that that kind

1642
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 5: of helped before before he got down here. But he's

1643
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 5: a veteran quarterback. He has seen it all. I mean,

1644
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 5: the guy's been in the league eighteen years and asked

1645
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 5: for yesterday. You saw a guy with the experience. He

1646
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 5: doesn't have happy feet like browning Head. I mean, you

1647
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 5: saw a poise guy back in the back and back

1648
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 5: as the quarterback. And let's give the old line a

1649
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 5: little love here, because the old line only allowed one

1650
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 5: sack and maybe like two pressures and Placo if you

1651
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:04,719
Speaker 5: watch the game, he got rid of the ball quick.

1652
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 5: He wasn't hanging on to it. I mean a couple

1653
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 5: of times he dumped it out and just said, out

1654
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 5: the heck with it, I'll throw it in the ground.

1655
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 5: That's something that Browning didn't learn and didn't learn at all,

1656
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 5: even from watching Joe Burrow like to get rid of

1657
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 5: the ball. That was one of his faults. He hung

1658
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 5: onto the ball too long. Joe Flacktt was an experienced guy.

1659
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:24,759
Speaker 5: He could still throw the ball Gary Jeff with no doubt,

1660
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 5: and he would. He was smart enough to say, going

1661
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,719
Speaker 5: into this game, if I've got a receiver like Jamar Chase,

1662
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 5: and if I've got a receiver like t Higgins and

1663
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 5: I'm not throwing to him, something's wrong here. You know

1664
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 5: you're crazy not to be throwing that. He decided to say, Hey,

1665
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 5: if we're going to go down, we're going to go

1666
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 5: down hard, but we're going to go down throwing throwing

1667
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 5: the football to our two best guys and Jamar Chase.

1668
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 5: What more can you say? How great that guy is?

1669
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 5: I mean he makes these catches sometimes like how did

1670
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 5: he come up with that ball? How did he come

1671
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 5: up with it? Then the Bengals are so lucky to

1672
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 5: have a guy like Jamar Chase on the team. The

1673
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 5: plays he makes up, I'd fall out of the chair sometimes.

1674
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Well, they could be dangerous, wild man, you could break

1675
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 1: a hip. I heard mo Egger talking about this today,

1676
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and you talked about the dumpouts, uh for the Bengals

1677
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: when Joe Flanker just jumped the ball because there was

1678
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: nothing there and he didn't want to get sacked and

1679
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:22,639
Speaker 1: he didn't want he said, Jake Browning on the one

1680
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 1: pass to Hudson where he just threw it at his feet,

1681
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: Jake Browning would have thrown that ball to the other team.

1682
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 2: He had no doubt.

1683
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Well, I really, I really, really, just like

1684
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 5: this's not even talk about Jake Browning. He's on the bench,

1685
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 5: he can sit there and he can watch because right

1686
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 5: now it's Joe Flacco and Joe Flacco for the rest

1687
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 5: of the season. They hit the Bengals somehow get into

1688
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 5: the playoff. Let's just stop this nonsense right now. Let's

1689
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 5: stop it right now. Joe Burrow is not going to

1690
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 5: play at all. He's not He's got an injury that

1691
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 5: could affect him for the rest of his career. And

1692
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 5: they're not going to rush him back and try to

1693
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 5: try to you know, gig into that's not going to happen.

1694
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 5: I mean, you got these he wrought there, and they

1695
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 5: had out these dumb announcers on TV. Well, you know

1696
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,599
Speaker 5: they get the Bengals are just you know, Joe Blaggo

1697
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 5: can hold on until Joe Burrow gets back. Joe Burrow

1698
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 5: has a serious, serious turf toe injury. Man, he he's

1699
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 5: not coming back. He's not gonna play this year. Let

1700
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 5: it go.

1701
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 1: No, I thought it was over the second he was

1702
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 1: grimacing on sitting on the field and then you know,

1703
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: tried to walk and then couldn't.

1704
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 2: I knew that he was gone for the rest of.

1705
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 5: The sea and to this day, to this day, Gary Jeff,

1706
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 5: the first thing I said was, don't they have a

1707
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 5: cart for the man to pick the guy up and

1708
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 5: take him in the locker room. They've got everything else

1709
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 5: on the field. They made him walk. That made no

1710
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 5: sense to this day.

1711
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 1: Where's the cart now, joseih gamer. He may have wanted

1712
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: to walk just to show to show he was okay.

1713
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 5: Maybe so, but I just thought that was a donation.

1714
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 5: Had a cart there immediately for the man.

1715
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 2: Have the Bengals done anything right this year?

1716
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 5: Have they done anything right this year? Yeah, things right

1717
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 5: this year. Yesterday, yesterday's game, Okay, if you want to

1718
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 5: break it down, the difference in that game was the

1719
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 5: running game. The Bengals cannot stop the run. They still

1720
01:38:09,960 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 5: had troubles stopping the run, and the Packers needed to

1721
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 5: move the ball.

1722
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 7: They use their.

1723
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 5: Running back and they then they gained I've gained the Bengals.

1724
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,719
Speaker 5: I don't know how many yards or whatever, but there's

1725
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 5: the difference. The Bengals did run the ball a little

1726
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 5: bit better, I believe. I believe Chase Brown averaged four

1727
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 5: point seven yards of carry yesterday, which is not too bad,

1728
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 5: not too bad, but they just, you know, they really

1729
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 5: just can't get the holes for him the buster. But

1730
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 5: it was a little bit better. But I, like I said,

1731
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 5: I'll give them the old line some lover protecting Joe

1732
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 5: Flacko went with another week. You know, I'm knowing the playbook,

1733
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 5: I'm knowing his person now, and this could be interesting

1734
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 5: the rest of the way. If they can they can

1735
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 5: keep him up right, If they can keep him up right.

1736
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 5: The defenses, you know, was doing okay, but then in

1737
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 5: the end they just got warred down and made some

1738
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 5: had some bad tackling. As we've seen all season long.

1739
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 1: Well, the Cleveland Browns have a very little talent on

1740
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: all offense. I mean that that's the big thing that

1741
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's strength is only defense. They showed that again

1742
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: in this you know, this defensive struggle that the Browns

1743
01:39:11,960 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 1: were involved in which they lost. But I mean it

1744
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: was a it was a defensive stand again by Cleveland

1745
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: because they've got nothing else to stand on. With Cincinnati,

1746
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: it's almost a reverse situation. There's plenty of offensive tools

1747
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: and weapons for Joe Flacco to use and go to.

1748
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: The defense is still, as you mentioned, suspect, and.

1749
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 5: It doesn't and it doesn't help with the lead. Lose

1750
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,280
Speaker 5: Trey Hendrickson, who's kind of like day to day right now.

1751
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 5: That suppose that he avoided a severe back injury, so

1752
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 5: he's on day to day because when you got need,

1753
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 5: you really need him, you know, to put the pressure on.

1754
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 5: Hopefully some samar Stewart will well we'll be able to

1755
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 5: play this week when we played the Banks play Pittsburgh

1756
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 5: on Thursday night. How about Mike Tomlin talk about a

1757
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 5: guy that is a major case of the Goo. He's

1758
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 5: all honged off, all hunked off that the Browns trade

1759
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,639
Speaker 5: it Joe Flacco to Cincinnati being he was quoted as saying,

1760
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 5: it makes no sense. It makes no sense to me

1761
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 5: that the bank that the Browns would do that. He said,

1762
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 5: I don't understand it, but maybe you'll understand it. If

1763
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 5: the Bengals can knock him off.

1764
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's good. That's kind of unique. What's gonna

1765
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: happen on Thursday night. You have Joe Flacco forty two,

1766
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,240
Speaker 1: eighteen years in the league. You've got Aaron Rodgers, who's

1767
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: equally ancient in football terms, with all of his years

1768
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL and all of the accolades that he

1769
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 1: has achieved. And I mean, that's gonna be the old

1770
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 1: gun slingers meet at the OK Corral.

1771
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 7: Man.

1772
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 2: This is like, this is like high noon between the

1773
01:40:47,080 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 2: two old guns.

1774
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 3: I think that it's a very comparison.

1775
01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:55,160
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very compelling quarterback matchup coming

1776
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: up Thursday.

1777
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 5: And I told you that Aaron Rodgers wasn't done, and

1778
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 5: you said, ah, he can move, and he's not worth

1779
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 5: a damn, And he went on and on. Aaron Rodgers

1780
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 5: have a pretty good season. I mean, he's got he's

1781
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 5: a metcalf who's no slouch. He's not afraid to throw

1782
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 5: it to him at all. And yesterday I believe that.

1783
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 5: I don't think Rogers was sacked at all. I don't

1784
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 5: believe he was sacked at all yesterday, which says a

1785
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 5: lot for the old line of the Steepers against the

1786
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 5: defense of the Browns.

1787
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: Unlike some people wild man who cannot admit when they

1788
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 1: were wrong, I'm the first to stand up and go,

1789
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:30,240
Speaker 1: you're right.

1790
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:31,639
Speaker 2: I said those things.

1791
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 1: I thought Aaron Rodgers would be in traction by now.

1792
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 3: And I.

1793
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 1: Still think there's a possibility for Joe Flacco before this

1794
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 1: season's over that he maybe is laying in a hospital

1795
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: bed going why did I do that? But I love

1796
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:53,480
Speaker 1: being wrong when it means good things happen to great players.

1797
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 5: And so there was yeah, yeah, well there was some

1798
01:41:57,080 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 5: positives yesterday which the Bengals can take going in of

1799
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 5: this game Thursday night. Flacco took a couple of good

1800
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 5: hits yesterday, but he's taking those hits before. And you know,

1801
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 5: at least, I mean, a loss is a loss, and

1802
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 5: I knew they weren't gonna I knew they weren't going

1803
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 5: to beat Green Bay and a loss is a loss,

1804
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:14,519
Speaker 5: and that's just the way it is. I mean, they've

1805
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 5: lost what four in a row. Now, if they somehow

1806
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:20,759
Speaker 5: can beat the Steelers, then they have the lousy Jets

1807
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 5: coming in here, then the Bears, and then the bye week.

1808
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:26,519
Speaker 5: Somehow they can maybe not turn it around to get

1809
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 5: people excited. And yesterday I think some of the fans

1810
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 5: were who were down on the team kind of like, Okay,

1811
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 5: well maybe there is a little light at the end

1812
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:39,200
Speaker 5: of the tunnel here. But again, no matter what they do,

1813
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 5: if they somehow get into the playoffs, somehow, Joe Burrow

1814
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 5: is not playing period in the story.

1815
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 2: Now there you go. Well wild man as all was

1816
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 2: a fun ride.

1817
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again tonight, and we'll see what

1818
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: happens on Thursday.

1819
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta have it, man, you gotta have it.

1820
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 2: Gotta have it, yeah, got gotta have everyone.

1821
01:43:01,960 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 1: So if the if they can find a way to

1822
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: beat one of these three teams, and the Jets, as

1823
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned, they're very beatable. The Bears, eh, but you

1824
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 1: could see the Bengals going two and one in the

1825
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: next three games at least and that's four wins and

1826
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: there's still you know, they're still under five hundred, but

1827
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: there's progress being made going into the bye week.

1828
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. Wild Man would like that.

1829
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 5: I would like to have a head of seami free

1830
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 5: wins going on the bye week. But that's let's get

1831
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 5: Let's get the first one out of the way Thursday

1832
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 5: night and beat those Steelers.

1833
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:37,839
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, big boy, take care.

1834
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 5: All right, sailor talk to you soon.

1835
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 2: Bye.

1836
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 1: The wild Man on the nightcap, Jay Trump, and the

1837
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: events of earlier today, wouldn't it be wonderful? Instead of

1838
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,839
Speaker 1: wars breaking out all over the globe, peace was breaking

1839
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 1: out all over the globe. I'm not trying to jump

1840
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: the gun, and I know that it's a long ways

1841
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 1: from happening, but Bill, let's go with good first starts anyway.

1842
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,840
Speaker 1: Thanks to all of our guests tonight, Todd Sheets, Christina, Bob,

1843
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 1: Jared Not, Thomas Havlin, doctor John Huber, and of course

1844
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,559
Speaker 1: the wild Man. Back at it tomorrow night at nine o'clock.

1845
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: Right now, we honor America with the playing of our

1846
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 1: national anthem, the Star Spangled Banner, as we close this

1847
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: nightcap on seven hundred WLW