1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: You want to be in a Mexican idiot, that'd be 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: fog Day slash President's Day. Good Marti Scott's loan back 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: on seven hundred WWD driving. Yeah, that FOG's no joke 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: this morning. There's there's still a fog out there. Obviously. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna burn off till like ten eleven, 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: twelve o'clock today. For sure makes sense with the warm 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: weather moving in, all that snow and ice and rain, 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: o the grap you know, the moisture is what's causing this. Obviously, 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: definitely two hands on the wheel and turn the fog 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: lights on if you have them. So, if you are 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: in the under the age of fifty, in that cohort 12 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: sub fifty, you are seeing an eighty percent increase over 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: the last thirty years of cancers, in particular digestive cancers. 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: You're twice as likely to have colon cancer, four times 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: more cases of rectal cancer than people born in nineteen fifty. 16 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: That's unreal. What's driving this is the question? He is 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Randy Drusik, He's the president of HC and ken Wood. 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Good morning. How are you? Those are all seeing rapid 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: increases as well as a matter of fact, today, in 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, young adults are twice as likely to 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: be diagnosed with colon cancer and four times more likely 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: to be diagnosed with rectal cancer as those born in 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty. What the hell is driving this trend and 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: how do we fix it? Randy Drosick is the president 25 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: of HC here in Kenwood. Doctor Drosick, Good morning, How 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: are you? 27 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: I'm fine, Thank you and thanks for having me. 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it. Weird paradox here, we're getting better at 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: finding and treating cancer as much earlier than ever before. 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: But why then are people developing cancers younger than ever before? 31 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: Or is it because that we are discovering them at 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: an early age because of that treatment. It's kind of 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: like a self fulfilling prophecy here. 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: That's good. We don't really know why people are being 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: diagnosed younger, but we definitely have a trend in colon, breath, cervical, 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: and a few other cancers that we are seeing this. 37 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: It's being studied. We're concentrating. We've been concentrating for detection 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: so long. This isn't something that we've we've been working 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: at very long. 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Or are we just catching it earlier. I guess 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: it's the point, you know, the cancers that we wouldn't 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: see develop and maybe slow moving cancers that would develop 43 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: over the course of a few years, we're catching so 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: much sooner now, and therefore it seems like, Okay, we 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: are getting maybe we always had it, but is there 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: evidence that that's the case. 47 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: That may be part of the case. The other thing 48 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: is we are better at genetics, so we do screen, 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: like you said. But the interesting thing, the cancers that 50 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: we see in these people who are under fifty tend 51 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: to be much more aggressive than the cancers that we 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: see and people who are over fifty. 53 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh paradox. It is a paradox. But as 54 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: I looked at these numbers, what jumps off the page 55 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: to me is there's like fourteen cancer types that were 56 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: screened in the study that did. Eight of them are 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: digestive based, right, So it's it's upper lower GI, stomach, throat, esophagel, 58 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff. And does that tell you maybe it's nutrition, diet, 59 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. 60 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely correct. I think it's our seventy 61 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: lifestyle and you know, we have a lot of obesity 62 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: in this country, smoking heavy alcohol, use a lot of 63 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: processed foods. I think all those contribute to GI cancers. 64 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: How much do you attribute this to the to the 65 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: diet because smoking numbers have been declined for a long time. 66 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: But I look at that and go, although I should say, 67 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: before the diet thing, let's talk about smoking. Vaping is 68 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: a thing. 69 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: Now. 70 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: Do you think there's a tie there? Now there's no. 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any scientific data to back 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: that up, but smoking vaping is there something there? 73 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: I think vaping is definitely not good for you, and 74 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 2: I think you're you. Also, it's the nail on the 75 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: head again that diet. Our diet in US is just 76 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: not very good. We're a fast food country. 77 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we still are, right despite an effort to try 78 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: and need better. I know in my advanced stage that 79 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: I am trying to do the best I can. Doesn't 80 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: mean that I don't enjoy pizza or you know, burger 81 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: and fries or something like that, but not not every day. 82 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: And people hear that moderation, moderation, But physicians like yourself 83 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: have been preaching that for a long time. Why do 84 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: we tune that out? 85 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: I think Americans tend to work longer hours than other countries. 86 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: When you look at the number of hours the American 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: worker works compared to other countries, I think our free 88 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: time is left and I think we try to cram 89 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: as much into a day as we can. 90 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting analysis. I mean, if you've 91 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: ever been overseas, for example, you go to Europe Italy, 92 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: I've been to a few times, and it's just a 93 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: whole different thing over the UK. Maybe a pretty similar 94 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: to us here, but you know, you go there, things 95 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: shut down for a couple hours in the afternoon, you 96 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: want a cup of coffee. If there's no drive through there, 97 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: you got to sit down and enjoy your coffee, and 98 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: you come back in a super chill and I think 99 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: there's something to be said about that. 100 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: I definitely think we're working ourselves into bad health, but. 101 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: We have for a long time. Maybe the generations figure 102 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: out because you hear about, wow, the work ethic of 103 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: these young people. They just want to go on vacation, 104 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: and maybe there's maybe they're going to live longer as 105 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: a result of that as opposed to what we were doing. 106 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know, they may, that's that's for sure. You know, 107 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: we tend not to exercise as much as other countries. You. 108 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: I think that plays a huge role in it also. 109 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: And I think the older you get, the more sedentary 110 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: you are too. But you know, we're talking about cancer 111 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: and young people. What is it specifically about our diet 112 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Western diet? Is it the saturated fad? Is the processed 113 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: nature of foods? As a physician, doctor do I said, 114 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: can you finger? Can you point the finger at any 115 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: one thing? Or is it all those things? 116 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's everything. I think high 117 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: fat diet definitely plays into it. Processed foods play into it, 118 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: high sugar content. You know, with we see processed foods 119 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: and snacks, you're you're probably better off eating a carrot 120 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: for a snack than the bag of chips. 121 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but between me and you, the chips are so 122 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: much better. 123 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: You know, particularly if you have French onion dip. 124 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: I hard to argue with with. 125 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 2: French onion dip and chips, I agree, yeah, but. 126 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: It can't be every day. It has to be you know, 127 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: I know people my age that are you're probably having 128 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: a bag of chips a day, or a six pack 129 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: of beer or twelve pack, as the case may be. 130 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: And I mean, that's all and good if you've don't 131 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: plan on living long, but that's the unfortunate part of 132 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: this thing. How much is alcohol use playing into this? 133 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: Especially for people under the age of fifty are developing cancer. 134 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: Heavy alcohol use, particularly as the sovageal cancer and the 135 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: softageal cancer. Alcohol and smoking together is a very lethal combination. 136 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 2: So we definitely see that not only that, you know, 137 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: you get cerrosus and deliver you get centripleal obesity. All 138 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: those things contribute to poor health. But the key is 139 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: what you said earlier, moderation moderation. 140 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: Do you think that sleep deprivation, poor sleep quality factors 141 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: into this too? And that you mentioned we're going and 142 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: going and going all the time. Most of us are 143 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: not getting as many hours as we need. Most I 144 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: think the average American has lessened seven hours of sleep. Now, 145 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: is that a factor here that your body doesn't have 146 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: time to repair those hells? 147 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: Well, again, you're corrected. I don't know if it has 148 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: as much effect with cancer, but it certainly does with 149 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: our overall health, not just that, but our mental health 150 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: and risk of Alzheimer's, you know who. In our brain 151 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: just needs to be compressed just like an athlete's body 152 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: needs to decompressed. 153 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: It just because you know, you work out, let's say, 154 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: a lift weight. So we got to take a day 155 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: off before you do anything else because you're sore and 156 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: your muscles have to in order to grow your muscles, 157 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: you have to rest. That's part of it. Another paradox here, 158 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: sounds like you're saying the same thing with this. 159 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, your brain needs to be worked, your brain 160 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: needs to be relaxed, and finding that balance is very difficult. 161 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: And we don't like that right the whole olm yoga right, 162 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: take a calm time relaxation technique. I got an iPhone 163 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: that nags me like a like a second wife about 164 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, stand up, sit down, do this, do that. 165 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: It's like we just turned that stuff off and we 166 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: just want to plow through it. And especially men, we 167 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: just want to plow through that wall. We'll just keep 168 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: going when we fall over. 169 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 2: Oh, I agree. I have a bad habit of at Also, 170 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: I did hot yoga for a year or two prior 171 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: to the pandemic, and I can tell you you want 172 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: to talk about something that will let your brain decompress. 173 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable and I'm sorry that haven't gone back to it. 174 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I tried it actually before I backsurgery years ago, 175 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: and I just I can't do the yoga thing. It's 176 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: too much of me. I can't spend that much time 177 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 1: with myself. Doctor. 178 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: Well, I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of me. 179 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. I got, like, you know what, 180 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 3: enough of this stuff. I got me with my voices 181 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: in my head, by myself. It's a it's not a 182 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: good combination. I just I got to get away from 183 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 3: me sometimes. 184 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: But you know, you have to stay active. I always 185 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: tell people, once you sit, you stay seated. And I'm 186 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: sixty four and I ran the pig this past year. 187 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: Good and you just have to keep doing that. If 188 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: you're I should say age properly about that. 189 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I uh, well you're a you're a freak then, 190 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: because I'm thinking man running it that uh. And I'm 191 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: younger than you are. Although I still box, I may 192 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: have to give that up because I got, you know, 193 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: ostri arthritis, and everything hurts now, but I'll find something 194 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: else to do, uh, in order to keep active. And 195 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: it's good for your brain, it's good for your body. 196 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Randy Drusick this morning. He's an ecologist. 197 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: He's also president of OHC Cancer Specialists all all all over. 198 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: The one here in Kenwood is fantastic, by the way, 199 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: firsthand experience there. They are the cancer specialists in Cincinnati 200 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: talking about a weird paradox here. We're getting better at 201 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: finding and treating cancers, but we are seeing cancer developed 202 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: earlier than ever before. Kate Middleton, Princess of Wales, Hamlin 203 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: County Auditor, Bridget Kelly. There's Chadwick Boseman, of course, James 204 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: Vanderbeek from Dawson's Creek who just died days ago. How 205 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: much of this? You know? I mentioned the diet element 206 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: of this thing too, and then I started thinking about 207 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, I just mentioned when I had surgery and 208 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: I had seed iff and it's a gut back. We 209 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: don't think about our back here and our gut until 210 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: things go really, really south. Is that also part of 211 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: this too? We're eating the processed foods and alcohol and 212 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: smoking and lack of exercise, probably over prescribed antibiotics and 213 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: stuff like that have a factor in your gut health. 214 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: How important is that with cancer? 215 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: Sure your gut has natural bacteria in it, and if 216 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: we disrupt that mal you you can have all kinds 217 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: of problems. You can have an infection called clustered and different. Still, 218 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: there are certain types of guests to intestinal cancers that 219 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: we know are related to helicobactor. So yes, there are, 220 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: and you can actually treat those cancers by treating the 221 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: helico factors. So bacteria certainly can play a role, and 222 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: so conviruses. 223 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you're yeah, does HPV for women. 224 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: Fit in this too, Yes, yeah, it definitely does. They 225 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: plays a very big role in cervical cancer and now 226 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: we're seeing it in some all cancers also. 227 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Right right right, I think, and it all fits together 228 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: that the the the bacteria in the gut, and it 229 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: sounds kind of like new agy, but you know, stuff 230 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: like yogurt and kafir and anything like that that's a 231 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: probiotic that you can consume is definitely gonna help help 232 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: move the needle for you, especially if you maybe you 233 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: are cutting corners when it comes to diet and exercise. 234 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: I agree, and I think we don't know exactly why, 235 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: but it may have to do with what we call 236 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: transit time. If you have a bowel movement every day, 237 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: all the bad stuff gets out of your gut. If 238 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: there's someone that has an every five or six days 239 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 2: or what we with a lot of people would consider constipation, 240 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: you're more exposed to those tox in your gut. And 241 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: there's a question whether that may increase your risk of 242 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: these GI cancers. 243 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: Is that metabolism though? Can you change that? But the 244 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: way your body metabolizes I. 245 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: Think you can with with high fiber diets. I think 246 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things you can do to increase, 247 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: increase your time. 248 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: More veggie and more exercise. And it makes stuff, uh, 249 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: it makes stuff move through, if that makes sense. I 250 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: mean if it hangs around, it takes a chance to 251 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, essentially just sit there. And there's a reason 252 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: why your body's getting rid of it. I guess that 253 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: makes sense. You can't take the garbage otlet's put that way. 254 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: Why not be too too messy here? Yeah, And we're 255 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: seeing this alarming trend. Now, how concerned are you as 256 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: a as a oncologist doctor drawsick that we're seeing these 257 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: numbers and people getting cancer earlier and earlier than ever before. 258 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: How bad is it really? 259 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: From your perspective, it's devastating because the cancers are much worse. 260 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: If you take a colon cancer and a forty year 261 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: old for colon cancer and a seventy year old, the 262 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: prognosis is much worse. The stage tends to be picked 263 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: up a little bit later, you know, because we don't 264 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,839 Speaker 2: really screen for colon cancer nless, you have a known 265 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: genetic risk until you're forty five. So you take a 266 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: thirty five year old, it's not expected. You're not screening. 267 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: It tends to be later, tends to be more aggressive, 268 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 2: they don't respond as well the treatment, and some of 269 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 2: the markers of this tend to be the genetic markers, 270 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: both from the family genetics and the genetics. The tumor 271 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 2: tend to be different and. 272 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: It's just some more aggressive therefore harder to treat. 273 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 274 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, when it comes to cancers that you see, which 275 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: is the I guess you know, we talk about lymphatic cancer, 276 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: which my mom had, but there's you know, there's a 277 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: host of ones that are like, oh that we just 278 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: have the treatment for that. The ones that you're seeing 279 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: that are just not survivable or we're not there yet 280 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: as first treatment goes. 281 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: Or what I think the young well, I think we've 282 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: made headway in every cancer. And I'm an optimist because 283 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm an oncologist, but I think if the ones that 284 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 2: I see that I find to be devastating is our 285 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,479 Speaker 2: younger patients with colon cancer. You know one that's it's 286 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: on the rise one to two percent year. They don't 287 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: respond quite as well. And to me, that is that 288 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: is a very heartbreaking when you see it. 289 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing a rise in colorectal cancer, which is 290 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: normally something you would see in middle age or beyond, 291 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: and now we're seeing in patients, as you said, as 292 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: young as forty and certain under fifty. 293 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 2: Now that's yeah, that's exactly correct. 294 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: That's horrible. I saw something else too recently, and it's 295 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: called the birth cohort effect, in that each group of 296 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: people born at a later time, let's say ten years apart, 297 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: had a higher risk of delphing cancer and life. We're 298 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: seeing that trend now that it should be going the 299 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: other way, but it's the exact opposite. 300 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's alarming. In our survival rates for some 301 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: of these cancers, particularly like breast cancer, have gotten better, 302 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 2: and I think some of that's due to early detection, 303 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: but you do wonder whether this curve is going to 304 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: slide back the other way now that we're seeing it 305 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: in younger people. 306 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean prostate cancer for example, right is like 307 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: now we're not doing the you know, post COVID, not 308 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: doing the exam anymore, thank god. And it's it's it's 309 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: blood work, it's it's a fecal study, stuff like that. 310 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: So I mean that technology is amazing. 311 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: Yes it is. And one thing is when you're broke 312 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: about COVID, we have a thing here at OAC and 313 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: we try to preach this to the hospital. Cancer is 314 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: not going to stop because there's a virus and a pandemic. 315 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: Don't stop your screening, don't stop your mammograms, don't stop 316 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: your colonostrophies, don't stop your your yearly cascans of the 317 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: chest for smokers because there's a pandemic. Because this is 318 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: going to catch up to us later when they're diagnosed. 319 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 2: These patients are diagnosed at a later stage. 320 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no one likes to go and have that prostate 321 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: screening if you're a guy, or you have your colonoscopy 322 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: done to check. But you know, I've known people before 323 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: that have said, man, I wish I would have because 324 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: they're they're now gone and they died way too young 325 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: because they never did that that work, and it's uncomfortable. 326 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: Who likes to go and I'm sure it's not pleasant 327 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: for the physician either, but it's something you have to 328 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: go and do and it's it's not it's uncomfortable and 329 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: no one likes to do it, but the end result 330 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: is catastrophic because you're living, your family and a lot 331 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: of life left again. It's doctor Ran Drosic. He is 332 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: the president. He's an oncologist at o HC Cancer Specialists 333 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: and Columbus and ken Wooden across the state as well. 334 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Drusick, thanks so much for taking time out and 335 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: you're really busy, but appreciate the information this morning, and. 336 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 337 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly the best awareness campaign we have for this 338 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: are young people getting cancer and dying. And I don't 339 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: think you'll mentally we put it together because James Vanderbeek 340 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: I mentioned, just died at what forty eight, And there's 341 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: a pretty consistent pattern of people under the age of 342 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: fifty getting and dying from cancers. Because you don't expect 343 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: there was a nineteen year old, nineteen year old Miranda 344 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: McKeon I think her name was, and with a nie. 345 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: She's an actress, had stage three breast cancer. And that's 346 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: that's extremely young, right twenty two. Lea died at twenty 347 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: two Dustin Diamond members saved by the bell. I think 348 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: he was in his early forties from carsonoma. And it 349 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: just it's a steady drug me to this. We just 350 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: wanted to go, wow, there's there's a trend going on here. 351 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: When you do that, though, you're you're surprised, I think, 352 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: and if you're younger, you also thinking we all were 353 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: at some point fallible that we can eat and drink 354 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: and do whatever we want. We're good. Well apparently not 355 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: because whatever it is and somewhere in our environment and 356 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: maybe also in our DNA, we don't know. These things 357 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: are coming together with catstrok results, you know, when you 358 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: see the cancer rates go up eighty percent over the 359 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: last forty years, there's certainly something in the water and 360 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: in the food and maybe within us as well. So 361 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: you know the best thing you can do is go 362 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: get those screenings. At a time as we debate healthcare, 363 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look at congresshutting down again and curely 364 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: not for health care. But you know, the one before 365 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: this was that people are pinching pennies and going lo 366 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: I really can't afford this. And if you don't have 367 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: health care, you're not going to go get the screenings, 368 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: and you may wind up becoming a casualty, becoming a 369 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: statistic I think the healthcare system is somewhat negligent in 370 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: this as well too. Yeah, we got to engage in care, 371 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: and if you're fortunate to have the care, you still 372 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: have to go. I know people who have insurance don't 373 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: go to the doctor and all the less they're sick. 374 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: That's a mistake. Especially used to be like over the 375 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: age of forty you got to go once a year 376 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: at least. Hell now it seems like at twenty you 377 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: should be going once or twice a year, if indeed 378 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: you have the insurance, which is another big part of 379 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: the problem. Let me do a news update here. We 380 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: still have pretty heavy pockets of a fog. We'll find 381 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: out when that burns off and more. Scottsland on this 382 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: President's Day twenty twenty six, seven hundred ww