1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Hey he's WBZ, he's Radio ten thirty, so winters upon us. 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Finally it's Chile and I don't mind it. I'm one 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 2: of those people who like it. And speaking of winter, 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 2: one thing I like to do is go up in 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: the White Mountains and get a cabin and just light 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: a fire and stare at it. 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: It's a caveman TV, they call it. 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: And you know, I've traveled a lot, but somehow now 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: the thing that really makes me feel good is going 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 2: up there and watching that, watching that fire. Sometimes it's 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: good to go alone too, I do miss. I'm in 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: the country, you know, and we could have a fire 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: anytime you want it. And New Hampshire away in the Gothic, 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: rural New Hampshire that I'm from. And by the way, 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 2: did you know that up in say, Breton Woods where 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: the ski area is Franconia area, that they already have. 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 3: Eight inches of snow? 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got like four inches, they got four inches 20 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 2: they got they already have eight inches. I'm going up, 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: I'm actually going up on Monday and just light a 22 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: fire man when I go up. 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: That's all I do. 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: I get a chair even in the winter, even when 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: it's snowing, and I'll sit in front of that fire 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: for eight hours. And if the somebody didn't talk to 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: that's cool. If not, that's cool too. And you know what, 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: when you come back in the city, it's like a restart. 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: You come over the Tobin Bridge or you come over 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: the you know, up down ninety three, and you see 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: the city. It's like a brand new city and it's 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: kind of exciting and invigorating. So New England a place 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: that's rich with creepy places. I mean, you know, we 34 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: have this long history going way back to witches and all. 35 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: There's a whole lot more creepiness going on than that. 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: And we have with us a guest to address that. 37 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: She's done a piece on it. Emily's Swingey is a 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: Boston Globe reporter whom I have known, I think since 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: the nineties. 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: Met her at some big. 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: Giant festival at what was then Great Woods, and I 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: still think of it as Great Woods and Kevin dutchwether 43 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: on and off professionally and personally. So it's fun when 44 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: she's got something that I really want to talk about 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: on the radio. 46 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: And here we are. 47 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: Emily's not only got this piece about the creepy places, 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: and I'm hoping we can delve into the one that 49 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: happened up in the White Mountains. There's a big one 50 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: up there. But also Emily's written books that I'd like 51 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: to remind you about that are very interesting. So first 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: let's introduce Emily Sweeney, Boston Globe Journalists. 53 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: How do you do? Emily? 54 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 4: Hey, Bradley, thanks for having me on the show. I 55 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 4: appreciate it, of course. 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: Long time. 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: Did you have a particular niche over there at the Globe? 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: You're a survivor for one thing. A lot of people 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: didn't survive. Emily Sweeney survived. That's really cool. You must 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: be pretty good and you kind of have a niche 61 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 2: over there. Besides doing I don't want to say regular stories. 62 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: There are certain kinds of stories that when they pop 63 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: up or features, they go to you, right, what will 64 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: those be? Yeah? 65 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I write the Globes Cold Case File series, 66 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: so I cover a lot of unsolved murders. I also 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 4: write the Globes Blot of Tales column, so I cover 68 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 4: a lot of like funny police log things. But I 69 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: also love history and so Ryan Huddle, who did the 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 4: illustrations for this Creepy Places. He was the one that 71 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 4: came up with the idea of, like, you know, let's 72 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: find like thirteen of the creepiest places in New England. 73 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 4: And he approached me and he was like, Sweeney, you 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 4: probably know something about the hell. 75 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so thirteen, because that is a creepy number. 76 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, we thought it was a good 77 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: good number, you know, we I mean, there's so many 78 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 4: to choose from. That's the thing, like you were saying 79 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 4: about New England. There's a lot of history here and 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: a lot of like weird stuff has happened, so you know, 81 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 4: there's a lot to choose from. But we figured thirteen 82 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: would be a good amount. 83 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 84 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: So I think it'd be fun just to kind of 85 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: go through them because it's it's something to do. And 86 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: these aren't just summer things, right, most of them are 87 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: a year round I'm guessing. 88 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, it depends, like you know, you 89 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: have some places up in New Hampshire, Vermont you get 90 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: to you know, snow falls in the winter, you know. 91 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, but you know, I tried to make it 92 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: like a varied you know, like a variety of places 93 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 4: and places you could visit and go for a walk 94 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: or check it out, maybe take some photos. Yeah, one 95 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: of my favorites is actually in Grotten And you know, 96 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 4: Gratton isn't too far from Boston. 97 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: Right before we start, before we get into the anybody 98 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: have a creepy experience in any place we want to 99 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: hear about it, maybe that will be added to the. 100 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 3: Creepy places list of the future. But you know, every 101 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: once in a while, everybody has something that so coincidentally 102 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: the coincidental. 103 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: It's how can that be a coincidence that something's going 104 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: on here? Like for example, just a quick example, back 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: back in college, no high school, I had a friend 106 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: named Billy g we'll call him because that was his name. 107 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: And he drove a Carmen Gia and he. 108 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: Lived in Rochester where he went to high school for 109 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: a while, but then he moved out to Lee, New Hampshire, 110 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: and he would have to drive down this really long 111 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: rural country road to get home and it's kind of 112 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: near you and h And he told the story. And 113 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: he's a very down to earth guy. Of all the guys, 114 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: I knew he was mister button down. He was nice 115 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: to his parents. He was straight laced, button down guy. 116 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: But he he said, I gotta tell you a story, 117 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: and I don't know if I should tell you the 118 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: story because I don't know if you believe it, and 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: you might think I'm weird. But he said he was 120 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: driving home from to Lead on this dark, dark, no 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: street light road and a UFO came down and hovered 122 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: directly over his car, like right on top of his car, 123 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: and followed it and followed it so that there was 124 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 2: no mistaken like this is a plane or a helicopter 125 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: or something. 126 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: It wow. 127 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: And then he said, like most people say, it split 128 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 2: in like an instant, just and I think, what was it? 129 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: A reflection? 130 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: You know, you think all these things it could be, 131 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: but who it was and the way he told the story, 132 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: he was petrified. 133 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: And I don't believe that. I don't believe. 134 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: You know, one half of me doesn't believe any aliens 135 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: have come here, because wouldn't we really know about it more? 136 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: Why doesn't somebody get a good picture? Why are they 137 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: all these horrible pictures? You think that with everybody having 138 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: an iPhone that somebody would get like a killer picture, 139 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: undeniable UFO little humanoid people looking up peeking out the window. 140 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: But no, So that makes me makes me doubt. 141 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: And of course the distance they'd have to travel would 142 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: be so huge, and why would they just kind of 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: fly around and not stop? Why would they not visit? 144 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: So I have all these questions. I mean, so let's 145 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: take a break and we can dive into your stories 146 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: in the thirteen Creepy Places thirteen thirteen. 147 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: Of the creepy places in New England. There are more. 148 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: And if there's anything that you folks know of, like 149 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: a creepy place that's known in your community as a 150 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: creepy place, it may not be on Emily's Emily's creepy 151 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: list different from Emily's regular list. And we'd like to 152 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: hear from you two six, one, seven, two five, four, 153 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: ten thirty, and we will. We will continue with Emily 154 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 2: Sweeney from the Boston the Great Boston Globe after this 155 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: on WBZ. 156 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news Radio. 157 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: Let's continue with Emily Sweeney, Boston Globe journalist. And she's 158 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: talking about she did on thirteen places, thirteen creepy Places 159 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: in dear Old chilea New England. 160 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: Now, so where do you want to start Emily. 161 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 4: Well, you know, one of my favorites is in Gratton, 162 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 4: which isn't too far from Boston, and it's called Bancroft 163 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: Castle and it's right on Gibbet Hill and it's a 164 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: really cool, very short little hike up the hill and 165 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: it's a cool spot to catch it. But you're surrounded 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 4: by these ruins of like what looks like a castle 167 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 4: and it used to be part of a wealthy guy's 168 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: estate that unfortunately caught on fire. And that that's a 169 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: really cool one. And you know, when you're up there, 170 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 4: I think I get creepy vibes and I'd be curious 171 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 4: to hear what other people think. 172 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's it's a haunted looking kind 173 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: of place. 174 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the vibe like you can like kind of 175 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 4: you can still walk through like the doorways and you 176 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 4: can like you're standing there and you can see the 177 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: fireplace still there, the second floor fireplace and the chimney, 178 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 4: and you're surrounded by the walls. It's just it's it's interesting, 179 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 4: you know, it's definitely a vibe. 180 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: Any weird stuff happened there? 181 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: Uh, well, you know, there's like a lot of like 182 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 4: local legends and things. I couldn't find, like any evidence 183 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 4: of any you know, bad things going on up there 184 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 4: other than you know, the obviously there was the fire 185 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: that happened. But you know, it's it's a really cool 186 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: place to check out. 187 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: I looked it up. 188 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: It says it was used for sanitarium for soldiers during 189 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: World War One. 190 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, and. 191 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: You and the fire you talk about, I think was 192 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: caused by a fireworks accident in nineteen thirty two. 193 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, some in the thirties. So it's you know, 194 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 4: but it's a really really excellent place to check out. 195 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: Like it, you know, it remniscance of like a medieval 196 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 4: castle in the middle of the grotten and you're on 197 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: this hill and it's a great view from up there too, Okay. 198 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 2: And so now it's something else creepy about it. 199 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 3: It's called it's on a hill called Gibbett Hill. Do 200 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 3: you know what? Yes, do you know what Gibbeting is? 201 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: Gibbeting is like the stuff of Nightmare's Bradley. I honestly, 202 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: I didn't know what it was until I wrote the story. 203 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, basically, you know, back in the 204 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 4: olden times, you know, alert. 205 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: Here, what you're about to hear maybe upsetting and I 206 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 2: don't know as as PC, not PC, but as g 207 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: rated as you can. 208 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 4: Oh, I write for the globes. It'll be PG all 209 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 4: the way. Don't worry. 210 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: That's right, That's how you survived. 211 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. So you know, when criminals would, you know, in 212 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: certain places, when criminals would get executed, like they'd you know, 213 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 4: get hanged from gallows, some you know, government leaders you know, 214 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 4: decided to like keep their bodies up there, you know, 215 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 4: kind of to teach the public a lesson like don't 216 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 4: commit crimes. Look at what happened to him, you know, 217 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 4: type of thing. And so yeah, and they would often 218 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: have a either like chains or like a little cage 219 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 4: to keep the body up there. And that that is 220 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 4: a gibbit and uh yeah, a pretty scary name for 221 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 4: a you know, a really nice hill. 222 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: In the words of my father, times were tough back then. 223 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 2: I actually heard I've read more than one time, but 224 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: I can't find it now that there was one poor 225 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: soul who was hung and remained in Boston Common for 226 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: four years. And so, you know, a whole generation of 227 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: school high school kids or I would walk go to 228 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: school or wherever, and part of daily life is to 229 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: walk by this body that had been hanging there for years. Okay, 230 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: we got through that pretty well. Let's get to New 231 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: England creepy spot number two. 232 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: Let's see, I'm kind of going at random here, but 233 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 4: you know, some of the interesting graves that you can 234 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: visit involve vampires of sorts. There are some cemeteries in 235 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 4: Rhode Island and Connecticut where the people who are buried 236 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: there were exhumed at one point because back in like 237 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: seventeen hundreds eighteen hundreds, some people believe that vampires were 238 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 4: causing people to get six. They were, you know, causing consumption, 239 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: causing you know, tuberculosis, and for some reason, people thought 240 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 4: if you dug up the body of a family member 241 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: who died from the disease, and you really made sure 242 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 4: they were dead by you know, you know, burning their 243 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 4: organs and things that you know, they would like cure 244 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 4: the rest of the family, you know, and keep them safe. 245 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 4: Really bizarre chapter of New England history. But there's a 246 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 4: lot of these, some of these. 247 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: Graves. 248 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's one in Exeter, New not in Hampshire, sorry, Exeter, 249 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 4: Rhode Island, and the Chestnut Hill Cemetery it's on ten 250 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 4: Rod Road in Exeter and Mercy Brown. She's kind of 251 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: known as Rhode Island's kind of quote unquote last vampire 252 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: because you know, again she was exhumed and all that 253 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 4: her grave is still there, you can see it. And yeah, 254 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: so very interesting, very scary. 255 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: Part about history. 256 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: Noticing that there was a thing called the Great New 257 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: England Vampire Panic two hundred years after the Salem Witch Trials, 258 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: farmers became convincer relatives were returning from the grave to 259 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: feed on the living. Is that the same thing or 260 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 2: is that a different thing. 261 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 4: That's the same thing, that's the exact same thing. 262 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, great vampire, Great New England Vampire Panic. I did 263 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: not know that. 264 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Okay, so you can take a little tour 265 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: there and you know, your native New Hampshire has some 266 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: interesting places also to visit. Your friend's story really struck 267 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: a nerve with me because I don't know if people 268 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 4: have heard of Beddy and Bonnie Hill. 269 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: This is this is Oh yeah, I want details from 270 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: you on this one. And if if you don't, okay, 271 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: I'll fill them in too, because it's so this is 272 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: so weird. 273 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 4: Go ahead, It is very weird, very weird. So Betty 274 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 4: and Bonnie Hill are a couple who live in New Hampshire. 275 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: They live in Portsmouth. It's nineteen sixty one and they 276 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 4: were just coming back from a little vacation in Canada 277 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 4: and now they're both very upstanding citizens activists. Actually yes, absolutely, 278 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: yes they were. And it's nineteen sixty one and they 279 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: they're driving along the driving home. They stop in Colebrook 280 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: to get a little bite to eat at a restaurant. 281 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 4: It's getting late and they're driving. They're driving and they 282 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: see something out of the window. Betty notices like this, like, 283 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: you know, strange, like she can't tell it was like 284 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 4: a you know, a satellite or you know, couldn't figure 285 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: out what it was. And Bonnie's like, it's got to 286 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 4: be a plane, you know, like what else could it be. 287 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 4: They keep, you know, they're driving along. They go by 288 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 4: like the old Man in the Mountain when that was 289 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 4: still there, and they stop and they're looking at this 290 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 4: thing like through binoculars and they look and it like 291 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: it is not like any aircraft that they'd ever seen before. 292 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: To give you an idea of folks, if you've been 293 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: been to the Franconian Notch you know where Cannon Mountain 294 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 2: is and the Cannon Mountain Lift, and there's a tower 295 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: up on top, and there is a restaurant now, and 296 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 2: there was a restaurant then, and it was kind of 297 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: right in there between there and the Old Man on 298 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: the mountain, which is only maybe like three quarters of 299 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: a mile, and it's very narrow. So if you're going 300 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: to see anything, it got to look straight up because 301 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: there's no real horizon because the mountains are on either side. 302 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 2: And it's got to be nineteen, you know, nighttime, nineteen 303 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: sixty one, it's got to be really creepy. Probably not 304 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 2: a lot of people on the road. Okay, pick up 305 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: the story there. 306 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, so they see like this gigantic you know, they 307 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: were describing as like this glowing pancake, almost glow, you know, 308 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 4: and with Betty said she saw like multi colored lights, 309 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: and through the binoculars they saw like, you know, windows 310 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 4: with like living creatures behind the windows apparently driving this. 311 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 2: They said, eight to eleven humanoid figures peeking out the window. 312 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and it's wild because you know, obviously they're 313 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 4: scared and the craft comes down. The last thing that 314 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 4: Bonnie recalls is seeing maybe like some type of like 315 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 4: ladder or something coming down from the craft and they 316 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 4: and this is where they lose time, right, So they're 317 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 4: seeing this crazy spacecraft and then suddenly it's like they're 318 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 4: on the road thirty five miles down the road and 319 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 4: they freeze. 320 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: Out and hit the gas and they when they say 321 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: they went into this kind of zone out thing and 322 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: didn't really wake up until they were almost a portsmouth. 323 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: This is what what I gathered from it. And they 324 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: didn't really know what happened. 325 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and they started having strange dreams and they 326 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: both talk to each other, but like what what really happened? 327 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 4: And that's when they went on there I'm sure you 328 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 4: heard Bradley hypnosis and started you know, recalling some of 329 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 4: the memories of their memories of what took place during 330 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 4: that two like you know, a couple hours span when 331 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 4: when they got down the highway. 332 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: You know, do all kinds of controversy or whether they 333 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: made it up or not? What do you think? 334 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, you know, during the hypnosis sessions, they talked 335 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 4: about being like experimented on, kind of like tests being 336 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 4: done on them. You know, they described like the you know, 337 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: the humanoids and you know, I believe that they were 338 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 4: telling the truth right, because they had everything to lose, 339 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 4: really nothing to gain, you know, by by coming out 340 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 4: with the story. And from what I understand, like, you 341 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: know that the story kind of eats out to the press, 342 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 4: and that's when they eventually came forward, and you know, 343 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 4: we're open about, like, you know, what happens with the 344 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 4: public that they were abducted by aliens, you know, And yeah, 345 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 4: the only thing I can think of, right, Bradley, like. 346 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: Is. 347 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 4: Imagine if they stopped at that diner in Colebrook and 348 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: somebody slipped them some type of crazy drug. 349 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think. I didn't think of that. 350 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can think of other than 351 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 4: that they seem very very they stuck by this story. 352 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 2: Somebody somebody dosed them with LSD. It was nineteen sixty one. 353 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: Maybe I have to break, but one observation before I break. 354 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: One thing that we do is assume that aliens are 355 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: going to kind of have humanoid shapes. There's no reason 356 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: to believe that at all. The notion that some creatures 357 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: from some fire away place with a whole different makeup, 358 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: different oxygen levels or maybe no oxygen, maybe cyanide in 359 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: the air would would look like we look because they 360 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: I feel like they would have evolved differently. And there's 361 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: no reason, you know, a spaceship could be one foot across. 362 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: This is just as likely as it would be a normal, 363 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: normal human side. It could be a mini many. 364 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: It's your little thing. You don't know. 365 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: So when people see humanoids, that gives me a little 366 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: bit of a pause. So we want to continue with 367 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: Emily Sweeney of the Boston Globe right after this on b. 368 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 369 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: news radio. 370 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: We continue with Globe journalist Emily Sweeney, who just related 371 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 2: one of the stories from she did about thirteen creepy 372 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: places in New England, and the most recent one was the. 373 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 3: Story of Betty and Barney Hill. 374 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: As they say, they were, well, they had a very 375 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: close encounter and maybe they feel like maybe they got 376 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: experimented on. I shouldn't laugh. I mean, maybe they did maybe, 377 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: so I shouldn't. I shouldn't belittle them. What I want 378 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: to just relate a story that's related to creepy things 379 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: in that exact area. One thing that I like hiking, 380 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: but I don't like hiking in the summer because it's 381 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: too hot and there are too many rocks, so snowshoeing 382 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: is good. 383 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: And right in. 384 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: The Franconia is a trail called Lonesome Lake Trail. But 385 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 2: I was never able to get up there early enough 386 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 2: in the wintertime to have it be light, so I 387 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 2: would hike up with my brother at night into the 388 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: White mountains. In this trail, you just got your headlamp. 389 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: You each have a headlamp, and that's it and the 390 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: whole thing. The whole time, it looks exactly like Blair 391 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 2: Witch trials, and you see because of your headlamp moving everything, 392 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: it looks like there are animals jumping out of the forest. 393 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: But once you get up there, there's a cabin at top. 394 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: This is something you can all do. That's why I 395 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: bring it up. If you're looking for an adventure, you 396 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: can stay overnight. It's cheap, but you stay overnight in 397 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: unheated cabins, so bundle up and bring a sleeping bag. 398 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: And at the top there right now, it's not that 399 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: cold twenty six degrees, but. 400 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: It does get cold up there. 401 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 2: Okay, how about another creepy place from your piece Thirteen 402 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: Creepy Places in New England. 403 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, one is done in Connecticut at Yale. 404 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 4: It's kind of a cool story that I just like, 405 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 4: back in the nineties, medical students at Yale kind of 406 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 4: word spread that there were some brains stored in the 407 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 4: basement of one of the dormitories there, and yeah, so 408 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 4: the medical students would go down and like, you know, 409 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 4: peak it like all these like brains stored in jazz 410 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 4: and the brains were actually the personal collection of a 411 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 4: guy named doctor Havevey Cushing, and he's a pioneering neurosurgeon 412 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 4: and he actually you know, kind of collected these from 413 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 4: from various patients. And those actual brains are now on display, 414 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: not in the basement of the dorm anymore, but in 415 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: a nice like exhibit area that they call the Cushing 416 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 4: Center and which is open to the public and people 417 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: can check out and you know, to see lots of brains. 418 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: Just just regular folk brains are really smart people or 419 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: criminal brains or who knows. 420 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 4: Right, you know, I think that I think there's a 421 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 4: variety of like, you know, he treated patients that had 422 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 4: you know, different types of uh, you know, neuro disorders, 423 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: and you know, so I think and there's a lot 424 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 4: of them. So yeah, I'm not really sure, but it 425 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 4: looks I I've seen the photos. I want to get 426 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 4: down there in person because it sounds really interesting. 427 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: I bet they have a similar thing at Harvard. They must, right, 428 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: Harvard Medical School, they must. 429 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. Maybe yeah ad verse Yale, 430 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 4: who's got more brains? 431 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 3: I don't know, that's a good one. 432 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: Maybe you don't have to drive all the way down 433 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: to Princeton. Maybe you can just take the tea over 434 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: that had and what else you got place. 435 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 4: Okay, let's see this is here's it this. I was 436 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 4: kind of shocked about this one. Back in nineteen sixty three, 437 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 4: UH Air Force B fifty two bomber crashed in Maine. 438 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 4: It crashed like on the slopes of Elephants Mountain and 439 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 4: only a couple of people on board of the crew survived. 440 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 4: So people died and the crash wreckage from the plane 441 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 4: is still there, and you can hike up there and 442 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 4: and see it, and you know, it's kind of a 443 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: hike from Boston. It's like a five hour drives. It's 444 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 4: like up by Moussaid Lake. But if you have it 445 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: in that area, you know, it's a really you know, 446 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 4: it's a really you know, interesting thing to see. I mean, 447 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 4: you don't get to see a P fifty two plane 448 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 4: wreck Boston. And I also thought that was quite creepy. 449 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, not every day. 450 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: I wonder if the wreckage is such that you can 451 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: sleep in. 452 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 4: It, you know, I'm not sure that they definitely treat 453 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 4: it like as a like kind of a like somber memorial. 454 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know how much. I don't know 455 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 4: if you can actually like curl up in it. But 456 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 4: you'd have to be really brave man too, because you know. 457 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: Emily, have you seen a ghost? 458 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 4: Have you know what I have to say? I confess 459 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 4: I have tell me that story. Oh man, Well, I've 460 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 4: had a couple encounters, and you know one of the 461 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 4: first ones was, you know, I grew up in Dorchester 462 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 4: and next door to my house was a old barn 463 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 4: that was built in like the eighteen hundreds. And this 464 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 4: is in Dorchester right with the red line going through backyards, 465 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: and you know there was you can, I don't know 466 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: the place was haunted, you. 467 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: Know, and uh. 468 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: Did you know it was from hearsay or from your. 469 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 4: Experience experience because we would be in the barn hanging 470 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 4: out on the first floor and hearing like footsteps you 471 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 4: know on the second floor. Really and yeah, yeah, and 472 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 4: then yeah, we had some other you know, interesting things happened, 473 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 4: like when we were up on the second floor, I 474 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 4: definitely saw like something like an abbolition of some sort 475 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 4: and and yeah, and then I actually got very brave 476 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 4: because I was like started, you know again, I'm like 477 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 4: ten years old. I'm like, I'm gonna mess with this ghost, 478 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 4: like this is our clubhouse, you know. And we had 479 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 4: like you know interactions where like old tools and stuff 480 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 4: would be doing strange things. 481 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: It was so you did see a ghost. 482 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: I know someone who went went to a hotel in Pennsylvania, 483 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: Philadelphia and stayed unknowingly in a haunted hotel, did not 484 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 2: know it, did not know it was haunted, but in 485 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: the night a ghost came and sat on her chest 486 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: and she couldn't breathe, and the ghost wouldn't leave until 487 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 2: she screamed at it to get up. And then when 488 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: she checked out the next morning, she started to ask 489 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: a question that kind of hinted at her experience, and 490 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: the checkout person goes, oh, you saw the ghost. 491 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: Huh. So it was a well known thing. 492 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: That's that's you know, I have real hesitation about aliens 493 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: because it's just the logistics of it seemed difficult. But ghosts, 494 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: I'm not going to discount that because so many people 495 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: see him. I'll say that my mind is open on 496 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: on both, but more on ghosts. 497 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 4: Okay, have you ever seen one or encountered one? 498 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: No? 499 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: No, I don't know if I want to, I don't 500 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: know how I would be. I don't know if I 501 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: would take it, take it in stride and say, oh, I'm. 502 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: So that's a ghost. Hey, hello, ghosty ghost, or I 503 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 3: might doubt my entire sanity. I don't. It might be 504 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 3: the end for me. I don't. I don't know how 505 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: it would go. Can I can you squeeze one more 506 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: in before? Oh? 507 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: What about the Danvers State Hospital? For a while, that 508 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: was a creepy place. Did they make that a condo 509 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: or something? 510 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: Oh? 511 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: God? Yeah. 512 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: So, you know, I didn't include any state hospitals on 513 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 4: the list because I was trying to think of just 514 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 4: really quirky places. But ye know, the state hospitals, you know, 515 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 4: Massachusetts has a whole bunch of them, you know, And 516 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the situation is with Danvers, but 517 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 4: you know, the ones I used to visit in Waltham. 518 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 4: You know, I also covered the close like you know 519 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: Fernald when that was closing for the Globe and those places. 520 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 4: It's a real heavy feeling in the. 521 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: Air, you know. 522 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 2: I mean all the horror and the pain and the screaming, 523 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: and the insanity and the and the brutality and the 524 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: abuse that took place in these gothic looking buildings. I 525 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: have a little bit of information here before we go on. 526 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: The Danvers State Hospital its, as most folks know, psychiatric 527 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: hospital in Danver's Mass up on a hill. 528 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 3: I remember driving by it all the time. 529 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: Open in nineteen excuse me, eighteen seventy eight, closed down 530 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: in ninety two, so it was open for more than 531 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: one hundred years. 532 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: And this was the check out. The name of it 533 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 3: when they opened. 534 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 2: It it was the State Lunatic Asylum. 535 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: No euphemism there, it's straight up. 536 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: Oh so you are in the lunatic Welcome to the 537 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 2: lunatic asylum, or you know, friends would say, oh, you 538 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: were up at the lunatic Asylum. 539 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: And that was. 540 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: The birthplace of the prefrontal lobotomy and the subject a 541 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: lot of allegations of neglect and abuse, but it's brutal. 542 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: In places like that. 543 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: Okay, for the lot final segment, Emily, let's talk after 544 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: this break about the books, because you have done some 545 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: cool books, and one is about Boston crime, but it's 546 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: not the Boston crime that you see in most of 547 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: the books. 548 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: It's different. And did you finish that You finished the 549 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 3: drop Kick Murphy's book too, right? Yep? 550 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's not about the band. That's about something else, 551 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: and we'll find out what else after this. 552 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: On the wold BZ It's Night Side with Dan Ray 553 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: on w B Boston's news radio on Cooked Denum. 554 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: To the story about we were talking about the dan 555 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 2: Verus Asylum. I don't I don't know what to call 556 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: it now. They called it the lunatic Asylum. What the 557 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: deal is with it now? And it is actually a 558 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: place that you you can. 559 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 3: Sort of visit. 560 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: But first a little bit about the the Loure. It 561 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: was a location for filming of a two thousand and 562 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: one horror movie, Session nine, and it's believed to be 563 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: the inspiration for Batman's Akham Asylum. And uh, as far 564 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: as what's there now, I see that it's been turned 565 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: into an apartment complex, but there's a historic patient cemetery 566 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: marked by numbered stones for unclaimed bodies, and it's maintained 567 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: on the property, and there's a walking path at least 568 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: the area. I don't know if it's strangers can go 569 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: walk around there, but if so, that'd be a pretty 570 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: creepy place. 571 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: And thanks. 572 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: We're with Emily Sweeney, journalists for the Boston Globe, talking 573 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 2: about prape. She did on thirteen Creepy Places and this 574 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: just popped up as an aside. It wasn't on that list, 575 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: but pretty creepy indeed. Now let's take the rest of 576 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: the time talking about your other books and anything you're 577 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: working on now that you would like to plug. 578 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I write the Globes Cold Case 579 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 4: Files series, and if anybody wants to sign up the 580 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 4: newsletter that about, you can do that online at Globe 581 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 4: dot com slash Cold Case Files. 582 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 3: And don't you do it? 583 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: Don't you do every once in a while the thing 584 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: here on night Side about the Cold case every other Thursday? Okay, 585 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 2: I do, yeah, yeah, would be fat, yeah, beautiful, yep. Yeah. 586 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 3: And you're very good on the radio, so I can 587 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 3: understand why that's a hit. 588 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a huge fan of you guys and Nightside. 589 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 4: So and then you know, I have I have three 590 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 4: books out. Anybody is interested in checking them out. One's 591 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 4: called Boston Organized Crime, another is called Gangland to Boston, 592 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 4: and both of those kind of chronicle the history of 593 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,360 Speaker 4: organized crime in the Boston area, going all the way. 594 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: Back, going all the way back into the twenties and thirties. 595 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and actually even before then too. 596 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: So one thing that was pretty fun is that you, 597 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 2: Emily Sweeney, took me on a tour of some of 598 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 2: those some of the buildings, some of the addresses that 599 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: are in those books in the North End. 600 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 3: There's one in the South End. And that was pretty cool. 601 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 3: I know that. 602 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was cool. 603 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: You don't have the time to do that, but that 604 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 2: kind of that kind of tour makes money for people. 605 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 2: Maybe you could, you could start up the organization and 606 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 2: hire somebody else to do the tour. 607 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 4: Okay, oh yeah, no, I would. I would love to. 608 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 4: I love, you know, going to historical places and showing 609 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 4: people that those things. 610 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 3: All right, So, what are those books called? Where can 611 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 3: people get them? 612 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? So Boston Organized Crime, Gangland Boston and my dropkick 613 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 4: Murphy book our available wherever books are sold. Okay, you 614 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 4: can find them in Bond and Nobles everywhere. 615 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 2: You must tell them more about the Dropkick Murphy's book, 616 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 2: because it's not what people think. 617 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I wrote the first ever biography of Dropkick 618 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 4: Murphy and he is the guy who inspired the band's name. 619 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 4: Dropkick Murphy was a professional wrestler who started wrestling in 620 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 4: the nineteen thirties and the Great Depression. He put himself 621 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 4: through medical school, wrestling professionally at night, going to med 622 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 4: school in the day, became a doctor, kept wrestling, and 623 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 4: then he opened a rehab center, a detoc center for alcoholics, 624 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 4: and it's kind of like a Betty Ford clinic, you know, 625 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 4: of its time, you know, a pioneering one. And yeah, 626 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 4: and so he treated some thousands of you know, people 627 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 4: you know for alcoholism would go there and dry out, 628 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 4: and also professional athletes would go there and train because 629 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 4: he also had a state of the art gymnasium with 630 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 4: ring and even in the nineteen forties he was advertising 631 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 4: you know people, the general public. You know, I'm absolutely 632 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 4: about Soup the book. I was really happy because case 633 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 4: Care of the band. 634 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: I believe was starting to lose your but we did 635 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: get we did get mostly in there. Just yeah, we 636 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 2: can't can't hear you anymore, started to go, it started 637 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 2: to get wonky. 638 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 3: So we got we got what we. 639 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 2: Needed to get done done, So that's good. So uh, 640 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 2: drop kick Murphy had his place out in a kind 641 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 2: of like acting area. Right, Yeah, no, not really, but 642 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 2: luckily we're almost done anyway, and so uh we get 643 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: these books wherever, fine, wherever they sell books that you 644 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 2: go find find booksellers everywhere. So thank you so much 645 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 2: as always, and hope you keep in touch. I know 646 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 2: you got you're always working on something. And uh we 647 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 2: should go on another big long walk at some point. 648 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, thank you for having men. 649 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 3: Of course, it's it's always a pleasure. He loves you, 650 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 3: all right. Thank you very much. Emily. 651 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 2: I guess it's a good idea to that. You know 652 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 2: what's coming up next. This is a whole nightwoo. No, well, 653 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 2: actually Emily's a guest. Sorry, I take it back. I 654 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 2: was thinking for some reason, no guests, but that's because 655 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 2: there was none in the beginning. But Emily was a 656 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 2: guest and a great one to Jay, I was I 657 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: was thinking, you know, nobody's parents are perfect, and I 658 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: was thinking about things that I wish my parents had 659 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: told me. And it's good that I get a chance 660 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 2: to set this up because you can be thinking through 661 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 2: the break. There are certain things that I wish my 662 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 2: parents had taught me, and that I wish my teachers 663 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: had taught me, and they didn't. There's also certain things 664 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: that were forced upon me, as that with every kid 665 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: kind of wish they weren't. And in school too, there 666 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: were certain subjects forced upon me. 667 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 3: That I never used. 668 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 2: So tell me what do you wish your parents at 669 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 2: Tiger they didn't, or school they're Tiger they didn't, and 670 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 2: maybe stuff that they tired. 671 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 3: You didn't need to know what's coming up.