1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI on demand. Jim, Welcome to the 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ Show. Hello, Hi you Jim. How can I 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: help you? 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: Is this double H? 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Yes, this is the Holy Host H to the h 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: H Squared. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: I get it. My major question is I'm going through 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: a divorce after thirty one years. 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: And then, oh, I'm sorry to hear that, Jim. 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, things happened in the world. 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: It was financial, some emotional, some other stuff. 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: It's financial finances is what brought this to the surface. 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Oh that breaks my heart. I thought 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: that something so well. 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: Okay, but and she's the thing is she's involved in 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: a major church and we were involved in that major 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: church together and then since she made the decison to divorce, 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: meetings stuff. It's, uh, the the church, it seems like 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: it backs them up. But they kind of make a 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: statement to families forever, you know, and a lot of 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: their teachings about family forever. And you know, I was 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: a good part of the church for many years, and 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: you know, I haven't had any contact with these people 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: and I and I've tried to go back a couple 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: of times. It just I just didn't feel like I 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: was wanted to kind of thing, you know. So, so 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: I kind of feel bad about that. My wife and 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: my youngest daughters still go. But you know, I see, 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: And there's another whole aspect of this too. I mean 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, I got double pneumonia and 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: the swine flu, and I had died a couple of 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: times on the on live support. 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, uh, my goodness, so you died a 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: couple of times and and and this yeah, this is 35 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: did we speak before? No, I don't think huh, you 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: don't hear that often the whole died a couple of times. Now, 37 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: when when this occurred? Uh? When this occurred? Uh? This 38 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: is a clinical death, right that they're just stopping at 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: the heartbeat, is what you're talking about, right, Yeah, first time. 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: Has stopped or they failed was two and a half minutes, 41 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: and a couple of days later was three and a 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 2: half minutes. 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: My goodness. 44 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: So you've all that stuff. 45 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: So you've had your shrif some some ugly times and 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: some very rough times, and you're trying to work yourself 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: through them. Now. 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's exactly what the title. 49 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Well, you're the thing that it is about. Churches is 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: their their community, and unfortunately, sometimes in that community they 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: don't always know how to deal with everything. We've kind 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: of this has been a running theme throughout the show 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: and started with the concept of Halloween and paganism, all 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: these things and what you cut out of your life 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: and what you don't. Sometimes the church, really it doesn't 56 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: know how to respond to certain ugly parts of life, 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: the divorce and things like that, or even the death 58 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: of someone or strange circumstances or whatever it is, and 59 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: they just they don't run to the aid of And 60 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: this isn't all churches, but some do. And this may 61 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: or may not be the church that you were attending 62 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: in the case, but in that case as well. But 63 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: really the important thing is for you to find a 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: church to grow and to be rooted in, regardless of 65 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: whether it's that church you were originally in or not. 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: Is there a what is your goal in all of this? 67 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: What are you trying to Are you trying to get 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: the family back together? Are you trying to make yourself 69 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: whole again? What is your goal? 70 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: I think the primary thing would be to make myself 71 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: whole again so I can get the family back again. 72 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: We have four children too, So we're not just we 73 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: didn't just screw up their lives. You know, their friends 74 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: and all of our friends, all of the relatives. I mean, 75 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: thirty one years of building up. Yeah, it's a lot. 76 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: It's a lot of you know. And then the crazy 77 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: thing is that, you know it, I think there's some 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: way it could be a minded I just don't know 79 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: how to get it all back together. And you know, 80 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: it's a long I think it's a long term plan, 81 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: but you know, and I just don't feel comfortable going 82 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: back to that church right now. And they haven't even, 83 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: like I said, they haven't even reached out one dime 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: and said, hey, you know how you doing. 85 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 1: You know, it's like, really, is it a large church? 86 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: Very large church? 87 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens. 88 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: It's a very lot of there's many, many of them, 89 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: you know, So there's a like I said, it's just ah, 90 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: and there's you know, there's some factors in churches. I've 91 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: always been turned off about it as a hypocritical attitude 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: of some people. It's like it's okay, you shouldn't do that, 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: or and I should do this, and listening to you 94 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: how you're saying that to find the middle road because 95 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: everything you do is not always so that's a terrible thing. 96 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: You know, just like watching you know, you know, Halloween 97 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: movie or something. You know, that's not like you're the 98 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: devil worship or you're enjoying a movie or something. 99 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: No. I find that the church likes the pendulum to 100 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: swing hard left or hard right. And and that doesn't 101 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: mean to be mediocre. I say in scripture, if you're 102 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: luke warm, I'll spit you out of my mouth. It's 103 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: not to be lukewarm. It's a matter of finding that 104 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: true balance, Jim. It's a matter of saying, okay, well, 105 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: where is a place of health for me and something 106 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: that will not distract or take me away from the 107 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: Gospel or my faith. And in your circumstances, going through 108 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: pain or a divorce or any of these things can 109 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: be quite distracting. And God's desire is always for reconciliation 110 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: when possible. If your wife's not here to talk and 111 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: speak for herself, but I'd be I'd be curious to see, Jim, 112 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: if your wife was on the phone and I asked 113 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: her why you guys got a divorce? What do you 114 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: think the top three reasons she would give? 115 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: Oh, she would probably start off with, I don't have 116 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: to have a steady income, you know, because I had 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: you know, I've obviously you know, I was in the 118 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: hospital for two weeks you know, a couple of years ago. 119 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: Then they you know, took me two or three months 120 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: to recuperate from that. 121 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: So, okay, what would be the second? 122 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: I would say, So that would be the financial aspect 123 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: that I would think. It would be any type of 124 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: any type of drinking of alcohol whatsoever. But at the 125 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: same time, she she goes out and has Martin Reason 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: and has a beer too. And I'm not I'm a 127 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: casual drinker, but you know, she thinks that that, you know, 128 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: and I've never ever gotten I'm not a person that 129 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: gets abusive, uh ever, you know, but you know. 130 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll let you We'll go by these point by 131 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: point here. But and then the third, I would. 132 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: Say, the relationship that I had with the four kids. 133 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: You know, the all four kids are pretty much like 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: and I hate to say this, but on my side, 135 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: you know, they take their mama's you know, their mother 136 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: with has gone through a menopause, you know, so after 137 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: doing all that menopause and stuff and everything, she did 138 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: like a one eighty at one point, and I was, 139 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: you know, I was financially trying to help her in 140 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: her business, her things that she was doing, and she 141 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: got to be kind of a dream on the family 142 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: money and then okay, yeah, we owned her sisters a 143 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: bunch of money and her sister never paid it back. Okay, Well, 144 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: well we have a bunch of issues there. 145 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of issues there, and those 146 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: go in a couple of different directions, Jim, So, I 147 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: would say the financial one may deal with something just 148 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: beyond finances. Have you always been kind of in and 149 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: out of work? 150 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: No, you know, never. Actually, I've only a couple of 151 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: businesses and I've done I've made you know, tons of money. 152 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: And there's self employed mostly or I've. 153 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: Worked for companies for you know, for five six, seven 154 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: years and maybe you know, with a general manager, made 155 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: tons of money. And then we've always lived in you know, 156 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: in South County. It's always my kids always went to 157 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: the same elementary school, the same middle school. Now like 158 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: it's always you know, they were in sports and wrestling, softball, whatever. 159 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to say this, Jim, just out of 160 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: because the sake of time and the opportunity we have 161 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: is that you need to take those three answers that 162 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: you gave me that you think your wife would say, 163 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: and you need to make a list for yourself is 164 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: to what part you played in them and how you 165 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: can change them or where you need to work on them. 166 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: You know, sickness and things like that. It will come 167 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: and go, but you have to look at those things. 168 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: I want you to go through each one of them 169 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: and decide what your part in them, in each of 170 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: them is, And I want you to call me back 171 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: next week preferably if you can, if not, the following week, 172 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: and let's talk again so we can go over those, 173 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: sort through those and see what your part is for 174 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: making you a better you first before you get back 175 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: into the relationship. John, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 176 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: Yes, I've had a question about your name. 177 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: What the name Jesus? 178 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is a real name? 179 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: Because well, it all depends on it, John, It all 180 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: depends on from where you stand. The actual name is 181 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: yeshur Amasik in the Hebrew, but it's not the full name. 182 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: Jesus or Joshua is actually referring to my actual name. 183 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: Jesus is the modification of that name, and it's what 184 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: people are most comfortable with now. But a lot of 185 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: people think that the term Christ that comes after it 186 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: is part of my name, and it's not. That actually 187 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: stands for my title. It means the chosen one, and 188 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: that in context, it was pointing out that I was 189 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: the Messiah that was spoken about in the Old Testament. Now, 190 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: if you have questions further than that, maybe your question 191 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: was actually more about this program and what this show 192 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: is about. While I will leave that up to you 193 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: and do an investigation on your own, I'm sure you're 194 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: a very very smart man who can figure that out 195 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: as to why we're here and what we're doing. And 196 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: that's a whole different question. But names are important throughout scripture. 197 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: If you look at the names of people, they had 198 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: more weight and more meaning than they do now. Now 199 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: sometimes people will name their child after somebody special or 200 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: after something special, or about the time that they were 201 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: born and things like that, And in two thousand years ago, 202 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: it was more important to have a name that described 203 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: something really, that's what it was doing. It was the 204 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: name that described a situation or a person or a 205 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: happenstance that was surrounding that person's birth. That really lent 206 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: itself to the beauty of the name. Last names didn't exist. 207 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: Last names were simply a description of where you were 208 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: from or a description of who you were born, unto 209 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: maybe your parents. That's why, like the name Josephson or 210 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: Johnson or these types of things that you hear, you think, oh, well, 211 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: that's the last name. No, really, if you take it apart, 212 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: it was referring to someone being Joseph's son, John's son, 213 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: and it was a description as from where they came, 214 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: which was of great importance. In the Bible. You'll find 215 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: a lot of that. Joseph of Arimathea, Jesus of Nazareth, 216 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: these types of things a judas is scariot, describing certain 217 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: attributes or places they come from, or things that they did. 218 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: And in that way you learn a little something about 219 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: someone just by hearing their name. Scott, Welcome to the 220 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Jesus Christia. Hi, Hi, but glad you could take my call, 221 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: my pleasure. What's going on? 222 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: Well, I just you know, I'm just kind of in 223 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: a quandary. I've been married for about ten years and 224 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: me and my wife have you know, got along great 225 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 3: early on and now it's developed more kind of into 226 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: roommate status, and we haven't been intimate in about three 227 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: or four years. 228 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: Oh goodness. 229 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know how to turn it around. 230 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: And I'm kind of a passionate one, and you know, 231 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: I tried to do the romance and all that stuff, 232 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: and she's just cold to that. And I'm not shooting 233 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: my own horn, but I'm you know, I'm an attractive man, 234 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: and so I just don't know what's healthy and what 235 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: I should where you draw the line or what you know? 236 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Well? And is it would you consider your home a 237 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: Christian home? 238 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 239 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're both believers? Yeah, okay. And you say 240 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: three or four years ago, did it like kind of 241 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: trickle out? 242 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of trickled out. I mean, you know, 243 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: we had our ups and downs in our relationships like 244 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: any couple does, and everything like that, and then it 245 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: just kind of disappeared and never been able to get 246 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: that part back. I mean, we get along great as friends, 247 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: we go out and do things together, we go on 248 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: vacations together, but the physical part is non existent. 249 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: And you know what, I want to talk to you 250 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: more about this because I think it's it's it's a 251 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: bigger issue than some people may think. And the fact 252 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: that you were so bold to call in, and a 253 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of men wouldn't in this case, 254 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: I really want to take a look at a couple 255 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: of things and ask you some questions. Can you can 256 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: you stick around for a moment, Yeah, okay, hold on, 257 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: and then when we come back, I'll ask you a 258 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: couple more questions. We were talking with Scott. Scott, you're 259 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: still with us. You were saying that you've been married 260 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: for ten years. 261 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, about ten years, okay. 262 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: And the past four or so three four years, three 263 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: or four years, your wife slowly had less and less 264 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: interest in sex. And you say other than that, the 265 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: relationship is great. You guys, you know, go out, you 266 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: see movies, you hang out together, you go on vacations together, 267 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: but no sex. 268 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: Right. 269 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: Has your wife prior had any medical issues at all 270 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: or changed medications or anything like that? 271 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean she said some medications when it 272 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: comes to the things such as fibromyogia and things that nature, 273 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 3: which which could be a contributing factor. She has some 274 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: hormone issues and some sleep bud sure issues and so forth, 275 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: But she's never been you know, a real sexual type 276 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: of creature. 277 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: So going into this marriage, when you guys were first married, 278 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: she wasn't even it's terribly interested in. 279 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: Sex or yes she was, she was, but not she 280 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: wasn't a wild yet like some of the ladies I'd had. 281 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: In the past. 282 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: Wow. Well okay, okay, Scott, that that might be filed 283 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: under t M. I maybe, but I appreciate the insight 284 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: the reason why I ask these things. This is not 285 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: a medical show. Of course, we look at the spiritual 286 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: aspects of things and from a biblical and mainstream Christian perspective. 287 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: But I asked those things because all of that kind 288 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: of points to the direction of, you know, where one 289 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: might look for answers in something like this. Now, when 290 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: it first started, you say, three or four years ago, 291 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: what would be the excuse or the response to you 292 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: becoming amorous and approaching her. 293 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: Sexually for her? For her? 294 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, when she just shut you down cold. I have 295 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: a headache. I've got to rearrange my sock drawer. What 296 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: kind of response? 297 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it would just be just about anything, you know, 298 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: it would be you know, not feeling well, too much 299 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: stress at work, you know, those kind of kind of things. 300 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: Even when we get away on vacations or whatever. It 301 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: seemed to always land on her cycle. So to seek 302 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: those kinds of issues that you would come up with. 303 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: And you know, we've been rebuilding our relationship slowly, you know, 304 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: like I said, we've had some looks downs. 305 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: And okay, well what are those ups and downs When 306 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: you say you're rebuilding, what are you rebuilding? What was 307 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: torn down or broken? 308 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I have a son for a previous 309 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: marriage that lived with the for a bit. Not a 310 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: previous marriage, but a previous girlfriend. And uh, you know 311 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: that caused a little bit of differences of opinion. Years ago. 312 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 3: I used to drink. I repented and I haven't drank 313 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: in years, stuff like that. So there there, there were 314 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 3: some of those issues that that. 315 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: What kind of drinker were you? Were you a mean drunk? Well, 316 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm sloppy, sloppy okay, yeah, an embarrassing drunk okay? 317 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 318 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: And did did And that was done in front of 319 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: her quite often. Uh yeah, she was. 320 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: She wore a witnessed to that. But at the same time, 321 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: you know, she loves me and heed her and I 322 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 3: went and took care of that. And she's always been 323 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 3: supportive of that and uh, you know that that isn't 324 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: the issue certainly now. Uh, that's that's some time ago. 325 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 3: And uh, you know. 326 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: The reason why I bring that up though, Scott, So 327 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: you know is that sometimes in relationships you get in 328 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: different modes. And let's say she, of course she loves you, 329 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: you love her, and she's in that mode of taking 330 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: care of you when you're sloppy, drunk, and it takes 331 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: her energy and all of those things that sometimes the 332 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: resentment builds up, and then when you're well, your partner 333 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: can become quite distant, still working through those things in 334 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: those memories or gosh, I remember this or that as 335 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: they one start to learn the new you and how 336 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: the new you works and the healthy you works and 337 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: all of those things, and they can be resentful of well, 338 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: how come you didn't do it sooner? Or do you 339 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: not care? There's a lot of things the if ma 340 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: jial the illnesses, let's put it that way. The illness 341 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: is that you named four or five of them actually 342 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: that might play a part, or even hormones specifically. Some 343 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: of them deal with pain, some of them do not. 344 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: Does she ever comment about pain? 345 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's a pain quite a bit and so on, 346 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: But I don't think that that would be necessarily the 347 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: reason behind it. I guess my concern is, you know, 348 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: I'm married, I. 349 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: But her fibromyalogia does that does that manifest itself in pain? 350 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: Yes? 351 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and that's been since you. 352 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: That's been pretty much you know, the whole marriage, okay. 353 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: And the hormone thing that that concerns me quite a bit. 354 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: The hormone. You said there was hormone issues and she 355 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: on medication. 356 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, some degree. I mean she didn't take the 357 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 3: estrogens and stuff like that because the cancer so far, 358 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: but she she takes, you know, some different medications which 359 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: could affect could. 360 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: Affect that absolutely, not only could, but probably do. I mean, 361 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot to it. And the reason why I 362 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of hear that stuff because those things 363 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: you need to see a medical doctor and see how 364 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: this plays. And she's got to have interest in doing 365 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: that because she's going to have to play a big 366 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: part scripturally. The reason why we didn't go straight to 367 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: scripture because I could tell that there was something underlying. 368 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: There's some other concerns as well, But I would encourage 369 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: you to read First Corinthians, chapter seven and goes through 370 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: the concept of the principles for a married life. And 371 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: one of those things in verse five talks about not 372 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: depriving one another of sex. When you're married, you should 373 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: never deprive each other of sex except for times of 374 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: prayer and menstruation period. So and I know sometimes people 375 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: have headaches, it doesn't matter. Coming together and having that 376 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: time to be together is very important for both men 377 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: and women, and it's health. So it sounds to me 378 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: like this is beyond just celibacy or her not being interested. Uh. 379 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: And it sounds like beyond just the spiritual needs and 380 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: the and the things that I mentioned in First Corinthians 381 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: seven is that there's some medical issues that need to 382 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: be addressed. And the only the thing about sex when 383 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: you're married, there's a partnership. That partnership, Scott, is something 384 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: that you've built along with your wife, and you build 385 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: it up and you say, you're you're a good looking man. 386 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's a beautiful woman. And and those are 387 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: the things that that first brought you together. And you 388 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: see different things in each other and it's exciting and 389 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: you engage in this this wonderful God given union that 390 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: is uh. It's only for you guys. You know, it's 391 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: intimate and it's connective, and it's beautiful and all those things. 392 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: But outside of the picture, it's like watching, you know, 393 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: people dance without music. It looks silly, and if people 394 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: thought about what they were doing when they dance, it 395 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: becomes silly. But when you're just feeling the music and 396 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: letting yourself go, it's wonderful. So similarly so is sex 397 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: in marriage. That when you let yourself go and you're 398 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: so connected, then you just react and you do and 399 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: you enjoy. But if you start to parse it or 400 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: intellectualize it or make too much out of it, it 401 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: becomes awkward and weird. So when there's a space of 402 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: time of any kind, let alone three or four years, 403 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: re engaging that part of your life will be strange 404 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: and not exciting like when you were first married. Strange 405 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: where you're learning about each other's bodies and once and 406 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: desires and things like that. It becomes a new type 407 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: of strange because is whether you believe it or not, 408 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: whether you're good looking, she's good looking, whether you've been 409 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: with people in your past or she's been with me, 410 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. There's still that that that desire to 411 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: be accepted by your partner, and in the back of 412 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: your head the thought, well did I do something to 413 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: make her not want me? Or her thinking well, you know, 414 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: I've gone through you know, hormone issues and medical issues 415 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: and and I don't know, maybe she has scars or 416 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: dozen or bodies body has changed. There's a new awkwardness 417 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: that comes to it comes to play in the situation, 418 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: and and so you know it's going to be awkward. 419 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: And I think in order to bring that back one, 420 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: I think sharing times of intimacy and scripture and prayer 421 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: and things like that great start too. To get into 422 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: some counseling, possibly with the pastor to help guide you 423 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: guys back into that part of your lives. And three 424 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: and very important is to go see seek medical help 425 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: and sit down with a doctor and really go not 426 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: just for the aches and pains or for the things 427 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: that she's going through, but you go in with her 428 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: and to talk about the fact that you guys aren't 429 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: having sex, that you guys aren't coming together and having 430 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: that part of your life, because the resentment is already 431 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: going to be wedged in there at this point, no 432 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: matter how kind you are no matter how kind she is, 433 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: and it's going to take a little bit to kind 434 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: of break that and not feel weird about it and 435 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: just make it natural and normal again and part of 436 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: your relationship, which is where it should be and needs 437 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: to be. If you, you know, get to that point, 438 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: it can be a huge problem in a relationship. And 439 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, God bless you for standing by her and 440 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: not taking the easy way out looking for you know, 441 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: other sexual partners and so on the world would say, oh, yeah, 442 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: you deserve it, go do it. You got it. And 443 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: partially she is abandoning the marriage, and I get that. 444 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: But to stand firm and strong in your conviction convictions 445 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: and look at this as an opportunity of growth and 446 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: newness in the relationship can be very wonderful and exciting. 447 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: It's just going to need some outside help to get 448 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: you to that point. So you read that homework that 449 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: I gave you in First Corinthians, chapter seven. You pray 450 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: on what your next step is. You pray with your wife, 451 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: You find pastoral counseling or somebody that can help bring 452 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: those issues together about reigniting that, and you find medical 453 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: help to figure out what is going on and how 454 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: some of the medications or the hormone balance or imbalance, 455 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: or these types of things are affecting her desire to 456 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: be with you sexually. We started earlier today talking about 457 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: the concept of paganism and how it permeates really everything, 458 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: that if as a believer you are trying to run 459 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: from anything dealing with paganism, that you will have an 460 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: easier time trying to pick an actor who hasn't been 461 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: in a film with who Tony Kevin Bacon. And that 462 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: is to say that there in life and in culture, 463 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: the cultures are built upon really somebody living in a 464 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: place looking to the left and looking to the right 465 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: and seeing what the natural resources are to make clothing, 466 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: to make food, and this becomes the culture. So if 467 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, you see the Mexican culture culture, or you 468 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: see you know, to this side you see a Native 469 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: American culture, or you keep looking around and seeing, oh, well, 470 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: this is the German culture and the if you pull 471 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: them apart, you'll start seeing that they intertwine quite a bit. 472 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: And the Mexican culture the use of certain instruments, including 473 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, playing certain types of songs that sound like 474 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: their oompapa when you when you hear them you go, well, 475 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: where did that come? Well, that comes from Germany. So 476 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: when you see these things or hear them and you go, 477 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: well where did this come from? Where you'll find that 478 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: they meld together. American Indians are no longer living in teepees. Well, 479 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: culture changes and grows, and it's not that the accordion 480 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: was native to Mexico. It's that it's brought there and 481 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: then that gets used and the foods if you look, 482 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: it's the region. I'm always humored by people that go 483 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: into different parts of Central America and the like and 484 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: start looking for tortillas, thinking, well, right, they've got beans, 485 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: they've got rice. They've got to know they don't and 486 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: that there's difference. Even though there's gonna be similarities in 487 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: certain places, are going to be differences and others. And 488 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: this is the same with religion or faith. You have 489 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: the Word of God, which is in scripture and pointing 490 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: to things both culturally that were going on in the time, 491 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: both with Pagans and with our Jewish brothers and sisters, 492 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: and these things are all taking part and going in 493 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: different directions for serving particular purposes, and still intertwined with 494 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: their immediate cultures as well. The food of the day 495 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: and the you know, you think of the passover, you 496 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: think of the things that are taking place with the 497 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: breaking of bread. That's all because that was the culture 498 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: of the time. So some things around religion will change 499 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: as well if you'd want to rid yourself of all 500 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: pagan concepts. It's not about Halloween. Halloween really, although it's 501 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: a derivative. If you trace it all the way back 502 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: to sow In, which was a Celtic festival. Yes well 503 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: you can say, well that's pagan, but then you have 504 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: Pope Gregory third designating November first is All Saints Day. 505 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: Then the day prior automatically became all hollows Eve and 506 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: that becomes Halloween. So it has a Christian twist throughout 507 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: the centuries as well. And you start looking at these 508 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: things and seeing that it's more than just the obvious. 509 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: And that's what I want from you when you're using discernment, 510 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: discerned not just based on the obvious, but about a 511 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: true understanding about what's going on. There are things in 512 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: Christianity that our direct result of paganism. The cross, most certainly, 513 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: the fish and the application of the fish. Fish most certainly. 514 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: You look at the symbol for Virgo. You can look 515 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: it up online and you'll see the fish embedded in 516 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: that very symbol, along with the Hebrew character from them, 517 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: you'll see these things. There's more to it than just 518 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: a clean lineage, and that's because people are participating in it. 519 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't mean have the necronomicon in your house or pentagrams, 520 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: or it's not what I'm saying saying. Use good judgment, 521 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: healthy judgment. Don't have that attitude of just zero tolerance, 522 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: because that's just lazy spirituality. I appreciate you taking the 523 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: time to join me today. Enjoy yourself, and above all things, 524 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: be safe. And more importantly than all the craziness in 525 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: the world, these simple words I want you to remember. 526 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: I am with you always. KFI Am six on demand