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Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American. All right, Friday morning,

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Speaker 1: floading here seven hundred WLW, and not all the news

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Speaker 1: is good. Great day yesterday, Opening Day at the Holy

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Speaker 1: Grail with me and Moe and Tom Brenneman, and of

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Speaker 1: course with that all day, great game. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: outcome was not as as good as we'd like, with

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Speaker 1: a three nothing shut up by the Boston Red Sox.

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Speaker 1: And of course after the game is the big new story,

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Speaker 1: because all hell started breaking loose at the Banks right

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Speaker 1: around eight thirty or so. Opening Day turned into pretty

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Speaker 1: much an evening of fights downtown, not just at the Banks,

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Speaker 1: but downtown. And just think about it, we're not if

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Speaker 1: this is not even spring break yet. For crying out loud,

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Speaker 1: for CPS students on, this is FOP president Ken Kober

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Speaker 1: joining the show. Ken welcome, Hey, good morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Scott.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. I thought CPS not until spring break

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Speaker 1: till next week. I mean, I'm looking at this thing going.

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Speaker 1: I was down there. It seemed like it was a

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Speaker 1: huge crowd mass that we expect when it's eighty degrees

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Speaker 1: in sunny, and it turns into this nonsense. I guess

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Speaker 1: the big question everyone's mind this morning. Is it's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear that Terry Siegs you should be fired for this, correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean certainly a theory. I guess you could

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Speaker 2: try to eat these somehow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be unbelievable that report came out in the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days. You know, it's a much bigger

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Speaker 1: problem than the chief I think. So let's start this.

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Speaker 1: You were tracking this in real time, started around eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: Walk us through what your officers are dealing with, and

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Speaker 1: when it became clear this is going to be a

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Speaker 1: serious situation.

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Speaker 2: Well, it actually started much much earlier than that. I

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Speaker 2: mean as early as three three point thirty in the afternoon,

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Speaker 2: they had a bunch of kids fighting in Washington Park,

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Speaker 2: able to get that kind of calm down, and then

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Speaker 2: by a little bit after seven, there were five six

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Speaker 2: hundred people at vying in Liberty Right and over the Rhine,

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Speaker 2: once again engaging in criminal behavior, fighting each other, just chaos.

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Speaker 2: And then that just truckled on and they made their

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Speaker 2: way south into small park in the Banks, and it

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Speaker 2: was just for them. We had, you know, bike officers

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Speaker 2: that were in their riot year, you know, to make

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Speaker 2: sure that they're they're protected but it was something that

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Speaker 2: they were able to eventually get a handle of that.

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Speaker 2: I applaud the police for, you know, the work that

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Speaker 2: they did to take what was an absolute chaotic scene

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Speaker 2: minor injuries of anybody involved.

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Speaker 1: So the way you were it, Ken, was it like

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Speaker 1: the same large group of kids that were just going

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Speaker 1: from area to area You mentioned Washington Park and then

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Speaker 1: on the Smale and then the banks. Was it large

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Speaker 1: of the same people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it just your groups of four or

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Speaker 2: five hundred kids just out just trying to create chaos,

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Speaker 2: trying to disrupt any bit of normalcy, you know, between

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Speaker 2: over the Rhine and downtown and the banks. And of

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Speaker 2: course as we see or the banks you have closed

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Speaker 2: are out of because parents don't want to be parents,

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Speaker 2: and you have a court system that just doesn't want

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Speaker 1: These are pretty much up under the age of eighteen,

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Speaker 1: pretty much the entire group we're talking about here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, largely teenagers. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The last April, the bank started their restrictions to anyone

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Speaker 1: that are twenty one and you had to be accompanied

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Speaker 1: was lifted for opening day only, and the banks in

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Speaker 1: the city announced that saying, yeah, it's a special one

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Speaker 2: I meanindsight it's always twenty twenty, you know, I mean

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Speaker 2: you could argue that, you know, Metro being free yesterday

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Speaker 2: was a mistake. I mean, the sentiment was absolutely there,

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Speaker 2: give opportunity, Give people the opportunity to ride on a

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Speaker 2: bus instead of parking and dealing all these things. It

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Speaker 2: sounded great until you realize that your kids can come

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Speaker 1: One of the things that happened following last summer was

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Speaker 1: so break no no free rides the kid. You can't

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Speaker 1: only use it to to and from school. We saw

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Speaker 1: that that seemed to stop all this. But it's you know,

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Speaker 1: Let's do this all over again. The curfew is largely

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Speaker 1: worked after last April, and we just undid it for

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Speaker 1: opening day. That's I guess somebody's gonna look at this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it's a shame. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: shame that you know, this entire day, I mean, what

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Speaker 2: a great day. The weather's beautiful, baseball's back in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: and of course as soon as the game's over and

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Speaker 2: you have all this nonsense occurring, and it's just there's

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Speaker 2: there's no excuse for it. And until someone is held accountable,

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Speaker 2: whether it's the parents, the kids, both, this is going

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Speaker 2: to continue. And like you said, we're we were just

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Speaker 2: in March. Just wait till June and July and August.

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Speaker 1: Come Ken Kober, president of the FOP, on with Scott's

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Speaker 1: loan this morning on seven hundred WLW. It's not like,

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Speaker 1: you know, we didn't prepare at all for this thing.

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Speaker 1: It was we had swat, we had extra patrols, bikes, undercover,

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Speaker 1: you had drones. I don't know if you could prepare

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Speaker 1: what happened. That's and I'm gonna sign with the summer

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Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt. I mean, we were adequately staffed

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Speaker 2: for the event. We had all the resources that we needed.

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Speaker 2: It's just when you have five hundred kids, pockets of

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Speaker 2: five hundred kids at a time, you know, running around

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Speaker 2: creating chaos, it just becomes very difficult to manage it.

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Speaker 2: I said. I applaud the officers for what they had

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, it wasn't like we didn't have

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Speaker 1: there are plenty of boots on the ground. From a

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Speaker 1: perspective of the offenders in this case, they just simply

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Speaker 1: not care. The police officers and in some cases officers

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Speaker 1: with tactical gearroun like the swats, they just simply don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't care because there's five hundred of them,

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Speaker 2: and I mean, how many how many can you grab

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Speaker 2: going to take off running and then they just regroup

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Speaker 1: What kind of stuff were they doing? What were they

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Speaker 1: were they were they pretty much attacking other youth people

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Speaker 1: within their group. Was it just going after other individuals?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, primarily just I mean fighting in groups. You know.

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Speaker 2: Of course they're opportunists, so you know, ether victims laying

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Speaker 2: you know, take advantage of them real quick. They certainly have,

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Speaker 2: and there were some crimes that were actually reported, some weren't.

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Speaker 2: It's just just chaos going on and it's absolute nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they hit you from behind and then then

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Speaker 1: run away. And reports also say that your officers ken

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Speaker 1: Cobe were sometimes unable to reach victims because the crowd

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Speaker 1: was preventing them from getting and undering aid to people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean you have a victim in

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Speaker 2: the middle of three or foreigner people, the police are

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Speaker 2: the victims. So it's just the entire thing just showed

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Speaker 2: the lack of accountability that these kids have.

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Speaker 1: All right, so kid gets hooked. Do you know how

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Speaker 1: many off top of your head, am I wrestler and

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Speaker 2: I think they're still counting them. I'm not sure. I

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Speaker 2: know the radio traffic that I heard last night, they

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Speaker 2: were asking for prisoner vans NonStop. But you know that'll

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Speaker 2: all shake out here in the next coming couple of days.

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Speaker 1: And then they show up to juvenile court and then what.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they were released last night. There's there's absolutely

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Speaker 2: no doubt. And you know a lot of these manned

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Speaker 2: That's how it is.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the resistance and attacking, you know, armed police,

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Speaker 1: We also had reports of civilians using chemical irritants and

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Speaker 1: It sound to me like they were coming there to disrupt,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it was. This is just like what two

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Speaker 2: weekends ago we had it over at Glenway in Warsaw. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it doesn't surprise me. These things, unfortunately, are going

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Speaker 2: to continue to happen.

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Speaker 1: Juveniles are reportedly involved in fights, it's mail of a

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Speaker 1: front park, as you mentioned too, it's used violence in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Is it a problem that you feel that the leadership

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Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt, without a doubt, there's no acknowledgment

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Speaker 2: that it's going on. There's no acknowledgment that we have

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Speaker 2: to do something to hold these kids accountable as well.

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Speaker 2: Now they're just kids, they're just kids being kids, or well,

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Speaker 2: you know, they come from a bad background, so we're

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Speaker 2: not going to punish them. And you know, the lack

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Speaker 2: see here here's the end result, the culmination. And this

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Speaker 2: really started in twenty twenty during COVID when they decided,

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Speaker 2: how well we're going to shut down courts, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do this, We're gonna do that, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you know, for the last six years you could just

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Speaker 2: see that it's building and building and building and just

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Speaker 2: certainly not getting any better.

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Speaker 1: You know, we had the three takeovers recently of course

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Speaker 1: what happened last summer. The Robling Bridge had to be

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Speaker 1: shut down last night because of this Fountain Square oats

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Speaker 1: you are the Banks, Melvver Hunt Park, pretty much city wide,

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Speaker 1: and it's a steady drum beat that Cincinnati is not

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Speaker 1: safe on major event nights. And my heart breaks for

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Speaker 1: you know, people like Jim Marrying at the Holy Girl

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Speaker 1: Banks and other entrepreneurs down there because it was a

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Speaker 1: long cold winter. Don't have a lot of foot traffic

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Speaker 1: damn cold, was an ugly, ugly winter. And then this

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Speaker 1: the red, I guess I should say to the black

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Speaker 1: and what happens is this, and it shuts down while

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Speaker 1: beer sales and everyone having a good time simply because

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Speaker 1: of a pack of feral kids. And it scares me

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Speaker 1: because the message continues to be sent to people like

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Speaker 1: me and suburbs is you don't want to go downtown

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Speaker 1: because it's dangerous. At some point the business community is

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Speaker 1: going to go enough of this nonsense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that's that's the sad part, you know, these

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Speaker 2: kids think this is all fun and game. The lack

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Speaker 2: and then get caught up in this at the end

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Speaker 2: of the night. Just it's a bad, bad thing for Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Does everything else can be done outside of the It

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the judges are going to be accountable

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. We had that report come out that said

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Speaker 1: from city residents that worry about the dan potholes and

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Speaker 1: there's a disconnect between alleged leadership of this city and

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Speaker 1: more violent crime happening. Things like this are going to

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Speaker 1: just wait people from coming downtown, going to Reds games,

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Speaker 1: I think, but you need those people from outside the

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Speaker 1: really lifts a ship. If we're missing the boat on

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Speaker 1: And something's got to give here at this point. If

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Speaker 1: you get to waive your magic wandcan Coober president the FOP,

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Speaker 1: what would that be?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm looking forward to see what city

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Speaker 2: they have a great opportunity to put their foot down,

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Speaker 2: take a stance and say publicly that we're not going

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Speaker 2: to tolerate this. We want judges to hold these kids accountable.

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Speaker 2: We want judges to hold any criminal in this city

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Speaker 2: or this county accountable. That could be the first step

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Speaker 1: Do you think that'll happen? Do you think sure Along

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. I mean I want to see if

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Speaker 2: first step. Well, Andy, who knows. I mean, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it is Friday, so you know generally

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Speaker 1: you don't want to make big news cycles. It's really

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Speaker 1: something on Friday. It's a gesture, I suppose. But I

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Speaker 1: just wonder how many you know, panels and how much

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Speaker 1: got to spend money, we need resources in mind. What

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Speaker 1: you need to do is start locking people up and

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Speaker 1: setting an example and saying, listen, we're not going to

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Speaker 1: If that sends a message, I think that trickles down

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Speaker 1: I'm a juvenile to get a slap on the wrist

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Speaker 1: I can go and run rampant and be fairal all

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Speaker 2: Out of that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I get being young and you know, being disruptive,

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Speaker 1: and you know we tp stuff. We weren't going randomly

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Speaker 1: punching and pepper spraying people downtown. Are there for a

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Speaker 1: Reds game and if a cop came along, you'd run.

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Speaker 1: Now they run at the cops.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, these kids

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you it's going to get worse before it

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Speaker 1: What do you expect this summer? When you talk to officers,

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Speaker 1: what's your greatest fear.

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Speaker 2: The greatest fear is that they're going to encounter one

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Speaker 2: this is disorderly conduct, all of these things. But the

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Speaker 2: biggest fear is that one's going to be armed.

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Speaker 1: I think the other thing is our culture can and

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Speaker 1: society of zero accountabile. I've always kind of talked about that.

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Speaker 1: But a case in point of the Hinton family. We

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Speaker 1: You can't get any more ballsy than that. And now

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Speaker 1: what we're fighting here. You know, we could talk about

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Speaker 1: Or whether it's a police officer, a judge, an older person, whomever,

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Speaker 2: No, without a doubt. I mean, it's just it's become

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Speaker 2: a societal problem and I don't know how you fix it.

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Speaker 1: I don't either, but.

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Speaker 2: It certainly it needs to be fixed pretty darn soon

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Speaker 2: before you know, we start seeing they said the negative

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Speaker 2: effects of Cincinnati people not coming down here. Wouldn't blame them. Yep,

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Speaker 1: No question. All right, Ken, I know you got to

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Speaker 1: today as well with an update on this whole situation.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully someone down at city Hall is paying attention and

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Speaker 1: addresses this issue. But Ken Kober, president of the FFP,

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Speaker 1: thanks as always for jumping on this morning.

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Speaker 2: Sure, thanks thanks for having me here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, be well. Update coming up in the just

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Speaker 1: minutes full news update. Sadly Red's lows and even more

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Speaker 1: sad what just happened last night at the banks because

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Speaker 1: we were down there broadcasting The line was great, absolutely packed,

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Speaker 1: beautiful day and marred by this nonsense. Welcome to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: And I feel so badly for the businesses too, because

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Speaker 1: they've invested so much, lost so much over the cold

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Speaker 1: eight thirty on opening opening evening. I guess I should

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Speaker 1: with crowds and everything else this summer. Scott's Loan Show,

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