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Speaker 2: this Wednesday edition of Cincy three to sixty. We thank

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Speaker 2: nine fifteen thirty. Last night, more local action on the hardwood.

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Speaker 2: Duke the six ranked team in the country, and the

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Speaker 2: Boozer Twins Carlos Boozer's twins. What did you just say?

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Speaker 2: The Boozer Twins.

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Speaker 3: Carlos Boozer's kids are playing college basketball.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh my gosh. Cayden and Cameron, Oh my

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Speaker 2: lord a. Cameron is one of the most sought after

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Speaker 2: recruits in the country. Cayden played just fourteen minutes last night,

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Speaker 2: but his brother Cameron, he had a terrible first half.

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Speaker 2: He was oh for eight in the first half, came

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Speaker 2: out in the second half after getting challenged by John Shire,

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Speaker 2: finished with fifteen points, thirteen rebounds, a couple steals, a block,

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Speaker 2: and to assist Duke. I'm getting old. Feels like that,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it. Duke prevailed over the debut of Sean Miller

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Speaker 2: with the Texas Longhorns.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Sean Miller Dalon Swain remember him from Xavier. I saw

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Speaker 2: he followed coach Sean Miller and he had sixteen points

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Speaker 2: last night for the Longhorns. I saw he went back

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Speaker 2: to back threes early on yep, and people were like,

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Speaker 2: he only did that at Xavier like twice. Yep, and

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Speaker 2: he already does it in his first game against Texas.

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Speaker 2: I don't there against Duke. I don't think there were

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Speaker 2: many Xavier fans upset at the result last night.

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Speaker 3: If you go and look at Texas in their Twitter account.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the comments posting the final score.

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Speaker 3: Yep, kudos to Xavier fans because they showed up.

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Speaker 2: They did in the replies they did. It was so

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Speaker 2: awesome the comments section alone. Again, just go to Texas Basketball,

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Speaker 2: look at the tweet where they sent out the final

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Speaker 2: score and go check out some of those comments. Well

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Speaker 2: done Xavier fans, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Goodwell guys, I want to know in the Patino era yep,

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Speaker 3: oh to one, in the Miller era in Texas.

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Speaker 2: Locally and I say locally, Austin, because we've got a share,

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Speaker 2: in a stake in what happens with Kentucky basketball. Here

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. People forget we are the home

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Speaker 2: of Kentucky basketball. You're darn right we are Kentucky. They

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Speaker 2: put up a twenty eight spot in the first half

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Speaker 2: last night, not great, no, but they held Nichols to fifteen.

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Speaker 2: They erupted in the second half for forty nine. Kentucky

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Speaker 2: wins at seventy seven to fifty one year two of

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Speaker 2: the Mark Pope era, that is the number nine ranked

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Speaker 2: Kentucky Wildcats last night led by Colin Chandler, who not

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Speaker 2: only had fifteen, but he had a thunder thunder dunk.

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Speaker 2: He brought it way back last night, did Colin Chandler?

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Speaker 2: Otega Oway had thirteen points and the Kentucky Wildcats advance

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Speaker 2: to be one to zero on this young college basketball

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Speaker 2: season over Nichols the Colonels from Nichols. Now Kentucky's gonna

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Speaker 2: face Valparaiso next but after that, Austin I don't think

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Speaker 2: this is being talked about enough. November eleventh, that is

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Speaker 2: next Tuesday, the Kentucky Wildcats will travel to Louisville to

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Speaker 2: take on Pat Kelsey's Louisville Cardinals, who are ranked number

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Speaker 2: eleven in this early season. You want'm talking about non conference.

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Speaker 2: They got number eleven Louisville, They've got number twenty two

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Speaker 2: Michigan State. They played North Carolina, they played Gonzaga, they

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Speaker 3: That's never been an issue with Kentucky no.

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Speaker 2: The regular season, and they opened that in the SEC

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Speaker 2: late for the Kentucky Wildcats. Here is what the head

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Speaker 2: coach of the Wildcats, Mark Pope, had to say in

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Speaker 2: his opening comments last night after the win.

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Speaker 5: They were actually really good last year and I think

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Speaker 5: I'm proud of us on the offensive glass with fifteen

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Speaker 4: That's where we that's where we need to live consistently.

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Speaker 5: So there were some good things and certainly a bunch

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Speaker 5: getting better. But I'm excited about closing this team, all right.

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Speaker 2: So that is is what Mark Pope had to say

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Speaker 2: after last night's win. Again, next Tuesday Louisville in Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: that should be a fantastic one. That is not all

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Speaker 2: that's happening locally. Also happening next Tuesday, Austin, the Dayton

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Speaker 2: Dayton got an eighty eight forty eight win in their

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Speaker 2: opener against Canisius who on campus. Yes, I think me too,

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Speaker 2: mentioned yesterday. Xavier's next opponent is La Moyne. They played

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Speaker 2: they traveled to Iowa to take on the Hawkeys, the

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Speaker 2: Northern Kentucky Norse mentioned before at eighteenth ranked Tennessee this

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Speaker 2: coming Saturday, and the Miami RedHawks back in action Friday

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Speaker 2: against Trinity Christian. You're up to date on all things

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Speaker 2: college basketball. Speaking of all things college basketball, Jay billis, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, last night that Duke Texas game was

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Speaker 2: part of the Dick Vitel Invitational. What they did for

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Speaker 2: dickyv last night was awesome. The broadcast itself, having Dick

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Speaker 2: Vitel there honoring what he's meant in the game of basketball.

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Speaker 2: It was an awesome watch. Billis was awesome alongside of him.

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Speaker 2: But Jay billis right now has the best sixty eight

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Speaker 2: basketball teams in the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: upcoming season. If you start at sixty eight in roll

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Speaker 2: I think he's in as honorable mention. But right ahead

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Speaker 2: of that starts scrolling upward. You get the Xavier Musketeers

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Speaker 2: at number forty nine. Billis thinks Xavier is one of

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Speaker 2: the top fifty best teams in the country, even though

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Speaker 2: they didn't return a single player who played a minute

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Speaker 2: last year. For Xavier, that's a tough, tough ask for

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Speaker 2: Richard Patino. The good news is Jay Billis thinks they've

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Speaker 2: something that Jay Billis will be watching closely. If you

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Speaker 2: continue to scroll up Austin, the Ohio State Buck guy's

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Speaker 2: the Buck guys got coming up? What's Deeb's got.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't know like what they you mentioned it

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Speaker 3: you mentioned the NBA points to Uh who do they play?

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Speaker 3: Are you Indy the other night? Yeah, which you know

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Speaker 3: college basketball, you know, haven't gotten to that point yet.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna get there, I promise when we get

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Speaker 3: to you know, with everything going on with you know,

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Speaker 2: But Billis has the Bearcats at thirty nine, says they

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Speaker 2: fell short of expectations of a preseason top twenty five

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Speaker 2: team last year. Wes Miller could be coaching for his job,

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Speaker 2: but has another talented roster with incoming freshmen and transfers,

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Speaker 2: three of whom scored eighteen points and their opener Seanabive,

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Speaker 2: Bobby Miller and Mustafa Chom Bearcats come in at number

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Speaker 2: thirty nine. Other teams locally that find themselves on this

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Speaker 2: views as some of his top sixty eight teams in

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Speaker 2: the country. When does it normally get real for you?

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Speaker 2: In basketball Austin the Monday December Super Bowl. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've said this many times, that's when basketball seasons.

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Speaker 2: Does that changed for you at all? If the Bengals

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Speaker 3: Don't think so. Okay, No, I mean I've already watched. Listen,

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Speaker 3: last year, I watched more college basketball. I joked about it,

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Speaker 3: like you know, it doesn't start till after the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: But I watched more college basketball November through January than

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Speaker 2: Lance Stevenson tweeted out, like ten hours ago.

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Speaker 3: Him and McAllister aren't that different, he.

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Speaker 2: Said, serious question. Can I go back to college and playball?

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Speaker 2: Obviously G League players are doing so now, to which

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Speaker 2: U Sees Men's basketball account said, man that sophomore year

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Speaker 2: He's what you call born ready, born ready, and the

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Speaker 2: Well not, I'm starting our number three. We're into our

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Speaker 2: number three regardless of any of that high James, what else,

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Speaker 7: I'm great, great, It's good to hear your.

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Speaker 2: Voice, James. Yesterday came and went, and we know the

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Speaker 2: Bengals moved on from Logan Wilson and recouped a seventh

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Speaker 7: I'm not surprised. I thought that the possibility certainly opened

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Speaker 7: up when they lost and how they lost these past

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Speaker 7: two games for a Trey Hendrickson trade to happen, especially

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Speaker 7: they wanted to move that way and get a pass rusher.

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Speaker 7: And I'm not sure edge wise if there's anyone that

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Speaker 7: that's a better option than Trey Henderson, Because if you're

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Speaker 7: most In most scenarios like Dallas, they're just going to

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Speaker 7: it's about this year and trying to read some life

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Speaker 7: into that defense for that trade specifically, So you know,

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Speaker 7: I expected teams to be interested. The thing that is

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Speaker 7: I am sure it's uncomfortable. Could you imagine if you

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Speaker 7: He also said, and the freaking game, which is exactly

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Speaker 7: I mean it's very simple things like again, I'm not mad,

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Speaker 7: about that. Just make the play, make his tackle, keep

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Speaker 7: Both safeties and Josh Newton likes that's level one, like

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Speaker 2: it's noteworthy that Mike Florio said it. What's your reaction

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Speaker 7: Did you mean the report from Mike Florio, a really

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Speaker 7: And that's not me being mean to him. It's just

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Speaker 7: After this week, the next eight games worst defense in history. Right,

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Speaker 7: So that's that's where I'm at, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: Question for you, James, because I know when when you

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Speaker 7: First things first, he said in February that they didn't

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Speaker 7: They haven't gotten the results out of the rookies. And

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Speaker 7: so that's the issue. Like on this offseason when you

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Speaker 7: Why hasn't it worked? I think that's where it goes now.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of things that go into that. Duke

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Speaker 7: Feels like a tag is coming to them. If he

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Speaker 7: three and six. If the offers weren't there, they weren't there, fine,

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Speaker 7: but yeah, I would imagine they would tag him now

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Speaker 7: if he doesn't play well, if he's nicked up, if

434
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Speaker 7: all those things. But he's kind to force his way

435
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Speaker 7: into free agency by not being worth the tag. I

436
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Speaker 7: guess he could, but that's going to hurt his bottom line,

437
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Speaker 7: So why would he want to do that?

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Speaker 2: The rookies on the defensive side of the ball. A

439
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Speaker 2: lot is being made about the rookies and their play

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Speaker 2: Barrett Carter Knight, Shamar Stewart. You get to this point

441
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Speaker 2: of the year, you're not rookies anymore. You're you're nine

442
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Speaker 2: games in to the NFL, and I know you're learning

443
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Speaker 2: along the way, and it's unfair to to to come

444
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Speaker 2: to a conclusion already. But what you've seen thus far

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Speaker 2: or not seen thus far? How concerned are you because

446
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Speaker 2: you have to hit on these guys, You're you don't

447
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Speaker 2: have any other linebackers, You're you're depleted at pass rush.

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Speaker 2: What what is your feel on on the trajectory? Can

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Speaker 2: they get this turned around? Uh? Is there a brighter

450
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Speaker 2: future ahead? Or is this something that's extremely worrisome to you?

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Speaker 7: I'm really surprised that's Schamar and maybe it's injury related,

452
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Speaker 7: but that Shamar is playing the way he's played, and

453
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Speaker 7: and not because of his college film and all those things.

454
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Speaker 7: Because all those things like everyone now is told you

455
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Speaker 7: told you, I told you, told you. But man, in

456
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Speaker 7: training camp, I thought he I thought he was disruptive, Tony.

457
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Speaker 7: You were down there and I think I thought there

458
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Speaker 7: he hit a quarterback the wrong one, and so I

459
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Speaker 7: don't know what the hell is going on. Maybe it

460
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Speaker 7: is injury related, but that needs to be fixed because

461
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Speaker 7: I thought he was so physically imposing in camp, and

462
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Speaker 7: there's skill the skill set of just the traits were

463
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Speaker 7: so good that he would be disruptive, maybe not have

464
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Speaker 7: a lot of sacks, but disruptive and chaos creating as

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Speaker 7: a rookie, and we just haven't seen it. And maybe

466
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Speaker 7: that's because Trades hasn't been out there with him, whatever,

467
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Speaker 7: but I want to see it now. He's dealing with

468
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Speaker 7: the knee issue, so hopefully that gets cleared up and

469
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Speaker 7: he can be all right. But that's that is extremely

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Speaker 7: concerning because that's the picks he needed to hit off

471
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Speaker 7: and there was risk involved. By the end of training camp,

472
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Speaker 7: I didn't feel like it was that risky. And now

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Speaker 7: I'm I don't know what to think because my eyes

474
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Speaker 7: weren't lying during camp and it's November and camp was

475
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Speaker 7: a long time ago. How does the Demetrius Knight, go

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Speaker 7: go ahead.

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Speaker 2: No, go ahead, finish to finish with the rookies.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Demetrious Knight and Barrett Carter picks. I told

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Speaker 7: Austin on Draft Day, like they better not take Demetrious

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Speaker 7: Knight in the second round, like before the round, like,

481
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Speaker 7: this better be a third round pick, and they shouldn't.

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Speaker 7: They took him in round two. And because we were

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Speaker 7: just talking about candidates that could go, by the way,

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Speaker 7: when Fairchild was a candidate that could go, I wasn't

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Speaker 7: thinking about him in round two. I was thinking about

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Speaker 7: him in round three. Guess where he went round three.

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Speaker 7: So to take him in round two knowing that he

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Speaker 7: was inexperienced at linebacker, and that's exactly what he was

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Speaker 7: going to be twenty five in July. Obviously he's twenty

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Speaker 7: five now. Its just a risky pick. It's just a

491
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Speaker 7: risky pick when you look at his profile. He better

492
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Speaker 7: hit the ground running right away because he's going to

493
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Speaker 7: be Logan Wilson's age by the end of his rookie contract. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and it's it's tough because he's getting a lot of

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Speaker 7: playing comedies obviously not playing well. Barrett Carter, same thing,

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Speaker 7: you know, I think, honestly, Berrett Carter in the fourth

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Speaker 7: round versus Demetrius in the second round much better value there.

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Speaker 7: Feel comfortable with it, fine with playing him. I just

499
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Speaker 7: don't know why they invested in two linebackers like they did.

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Speaker 7: Maybe we're not saying that a year from now. Maybe

501
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Speaker 7: we're not saying that six weeks from now and things

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Speaker 7: turn around, but it just doesn't feel good for a

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Speaker 7: defense that needed plug and play startable guys.

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Speaker 2: In the draft. How will James Rapine be spending his

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Speaker 2: bye weekend?

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Speaker 7: You know, a little R and R. We're going to

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Speaker 7: try to try to shut the eyes, catch the breath

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Speaker 7: a little bit now, a little bit. I have some

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Speaker 7: stuff playing over the next few days. But no, I'll

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Speaker 7: try to do the Tony Pipe thing. Get on the

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Speaker 7: Tony Pike private jet, go somewhere for a few days,

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Speaker 7: and you know, hey, I put in a request to

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Speaker 7: rent it, and it doesn't sound like that's going to

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Speaker 7: go through.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know the works too.

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Speaker 7: That will get us from you to be uh.

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Speaker 2: What is the easiest way to follow along? With everything?

518
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Speaker 2: So much to talk about with this team and coming

519
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Speaker 2: out of a bye week, what's the easiest way to

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Speaker 2: follow along with everything he.

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Speaker 7: Got bangos Talk dot com do. A video is dropping

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Speaker 7: maybe right now as we speak on Cincinnati Bengals Talk

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Speaker 7: on YouTube and the Lockdown Bengals Podcast.

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Speaker 2: James, we appreciate you man, look forward to talking again soon.

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Speaker 2: Have a have a great bye weekend.

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Speaker 3: Thanks James.

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Speaker 7: We need we need to have a few pold ones soon.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you promised that after you know, showed the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame night, So uh yeah, just let me talk.

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Speaker 2: A lot of talk tickets were free.

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Speaker 3: I'll talk.

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Speaker 2: Just showing up, bald bal don't lie. Just show up, man,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, James, Just show up, James, have a great

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Speaker 2: all right, we'll break, we'll come back. Well, we'll wrap

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Speaker 2: up a couple of things here when we get back,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll get the moggor with quick hits on

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Speaker 2: the SBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. So you see,

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Speaker 2: k Wise, welcome back since he three sixty, Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Penn station. Thank you for listening on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station, Austin for you. We just asked the

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Speaker 2: question to James, and I know we talked about this

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Speaker 2: at the top of the show earlier. If Duke Tobin

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Speaker 2: were speaking, if he were going to take questions, what

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Speaker 2: question or two would you have for the de facto

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Speaker 2: GM of the Cincinnati Bank.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would have several questions for Duke. The first

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Speaker 3: one will be, you know, now that you have seen

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Speaker 3: the struggles that this team has had in the way

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Speaker 3: that you've tried to build it over the last couple

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Speaker 3: of years, what will change about your strategy moving forward,

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Speaker 3: specifically when it comes to the draft? You know, is

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Speaker 3: there going to be a change and what you value

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Speaker 3: the most? I would also like to know why hasn't

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Speaker 3: it worked?

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Speaker 2: In his mind?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What to him has been the biggest reason why none

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Speaker 3: of this has worked.

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Speaker 2: My top one was what will be different? You know,

560
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Speaker 2: it's been the same struggles in the draft for far

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Speaker 2: too long. Outside of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 2: the ability to work deals under a rookie contract for

563
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Speaker 2: a quarterback in the NFL, it hasn't worked. And Duke

564
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Speaker 2: and this staff have been provided with more at their disposal.

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Speaker 2: They've spent more money, they've been more aggressive with contracts,

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Speaker 2: They've bent more on guaranteed money they never have done.

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Speaker 2: They're doing things as an organization that they've never done.

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Speaker 2: So if it hasn't worked, what's going to be different

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Speaker 2: now than what's happened in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 3: I would also ask him, do you agree with Zach

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Speaker 3: Taylor that the answers are in the building. I would say,

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Speaker 3: I would ask why do you have or why did

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Speaker 3: you not get more players? How would I award this?

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Speaker 3: Why did you not address the safety position?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I would ask for more details on the process.

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Speaker 2: How much do him and Zach work hand in hand?

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Speaker 2: Do they work hand in hand and evaluating talent? Do

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Speaker 2: they work hand in hand and free agency? Because I've

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Speaker 2: said for a couple of years it feels like the

580
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Speaker 2: scheme doesn't match the personnel, And I would wonder about

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Speaker 2: the process. How many times are Zach and Duke getting together?

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Speaker 2: What does their off season look like when it is

583
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Speaker 2: evaluating talent and the draft and free agency? I want

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Speaker 2: to know what that working relationship looks like.

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Speaker 3: How often are you vetoed by Mike Brown?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, what ultimate power do you have?

587
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Speaker 3: Do you feel the outside pressure and criticism of your

588
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: position today?

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Speaker 2: I'd love to know, very bluntly, why didn't you move

590
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Speaker 2: on from Trey Hendrickson. Were the offers not there? Did

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00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: you want to move them? But you couldn't like take

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Speaker 2: me inside that take me inside? You know that this season,

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Speaker 2: as it's slipping away, why not recoup any losses to

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Speaker 2: move forward.

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Speaker 3: I would also ask him, who are you comfortable building

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Speaker 3: around on defense?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that would be an uneasy question. I do have,

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Speaker 2: uh looks. I believe Duke Tobin's calling in, Duke, we.

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Speaker 8: Are certainly not going to sit on our hands.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, Duke, Duke. Oh, seasons back on, baby.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know if you remember that clip. Oh,

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Speaker 3: but I had kind of just started on here with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Duke said that going into the twenty twenty one season.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot of run out of that, and

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Speaker 3: the first couple of days of free agency we kept

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Speaker 3: playing this.

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Speaker 8: We are certainly not gonna sit on our.

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Speaker 3: Hands because they were sitting on their hands, but they

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Speaker 3: put together a pretty decent free agent class that included

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Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you're certainly not gonna sit on our hands.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you one more question, thanks, Duke, and

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Speaker 2: then we'll get the break and we'll get the mo

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Speaker 2: if Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor were both let go today.

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Speaker 2: Who would have a job first? Zach Taylor? I think

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Speaker 2: so too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't care what anybody says. Zach's a good

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Speaker 3: offensive football coach. Okay, he might not be the best

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Speaker 3: play caller, I understand that, But I think he's a

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Speaker 3: good football coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I think he's a good man, all right, and

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Speaker 3: that has to count for something, right.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Duke's a good man?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know anything about Duke.

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Speaker 2: He never talks. Yeah, I don't know anything about him.

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Speaker 2: Mull Lagger's next ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station thanks

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Speaker 2: to Penn Station.

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Speaker 3: From the tall rucked in Heating and Air.

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Speaker 6: It's time for since he three sixty quick hits, ESBN

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Speaker 6: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Was looking for Mo.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where he's at. It's moe in the building.

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Speaker 2: I was told he's going to be flying in there

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Speaker 2: any second. We had breakfast with Mo earlier. That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: We did always good to catch up with a lot

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Speaker 2: about today. Yeah, you and me both anyway, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to Mo in just a moment. He's got the Moegger

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Speaker 2: Show coming up. And then I believe Austin that he's

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Speaker 2: he's checking out early on the bye week. He's off tomorrow. No,

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Speaker 2: there's a shock. Yep, he's with us now part time major.

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Speaker 2: Here he is here, he comes here, he is now.

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Speaker 2: I think what what the delay was? I think Moe

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Speaker 2: was probably caught up listening to that Duke Tobin press conference?

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Speaker 2: Do we have do we have audio from that?

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Speaker 7: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's here's Duke.

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Speaker 8: We are certainly not going to sit on our hands.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Oh, it's for Duke to say, hmmm. What would

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Speaker 6: you like to ask, Duke Tobyn? I would ask why

651
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Speaker 6: why can't you fix this?

652
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Speaker 3: Simple? Why can't you fix this?

653
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

654
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 6: And was the strat when you sat down at the

655
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 6: beginning of the offseason really to leave the status quo

656
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 6: in place? Or did circumstances basically force you into this,

657
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 6: Like why why is this?

658
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: Why can't you fix this?

659
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 6: And why did you choose to fix it with so

660
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 6: many of the same guys from last year? Why do

661
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 6: you think Miles Murphy hasn't worked out? Why does McKinley

662
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 6: Jackson never play? What were you thinking when you drafted

663
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 6: Jermaine Burton? Why can't you get this right? Those are

664
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 6: the things I would ask him. I think it's it's fair.

665
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 6: I asked Austin this before the break. If there were

666
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Speaker 6: a world where Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor were not

667
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 6: employed by the Bengals, Huh, which of those two would

668
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 6: have an NFL job? Quicker Zach Taylor as a head

669
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Speaker 6: coach or as a coordinators?

670
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Speaker 3: A coordinator?

671
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

672
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Speaker 6: I think Zach Taylor, as much as his overall performance,

673
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 6: is certainly fair game. I think the fund the way

674
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 6: the offense has worked under Joe Flacco, Zach Taylor has

675
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 6: had a hand in that, and that does serves and

676
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 6: should be mentioned. I'm sure Duke Tobin would have a

677
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 6: job in the NFL. Is somebody going to hire him

678
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 6: to be a general manager?

679
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: Correct?

680
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: Does the SAMAS business card de facto general manager?

681
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: Yes? I think so.

682
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Speaker 6: The fact, do you think he has business cards? No chance?

683
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Speaker 6: It's a good question. Does anybody have business cards anymore?

684
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 2: Yes? Actually?

685
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Speaker 3: Really do you have business cards? I don't, but someone

686
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 3: who sits next to me or behind me in our

687
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: office that has an entire box of business cards of

688
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: business cards?

689
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

690
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 6: Wow, I've never in my life had a business card.

691
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 6: What do you have coming up on the show today,

692
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 6: I talk about business cards. Business cards. We're going to

693
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 6: discuss what would happen if the Bengals did fire Duke Tobin,

694
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Speaker 6: because I don't think anybody has really thought this through

695
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 6: the red say Nick Kral says, basically same payrolls next year,

696
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 6: which on some level is okay.

697
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: But dot dot dot will discuss the dot dot dot. Oh,

698
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 3: it's going to be Bigrees is replacing Mark Sanders.

699
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: Your thoughts?

700
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Speaker 5: Uh?

701
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 6: Drew Brees called the Bengals Raiders playoff game the Bengals

702
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 6: won and was panned for it. And then last year

703
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 6: I did a rewatch podcast with Paul Paul Danner, Junior,

704
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 6: Jay Morrison, and Dan Horde where we went back and

705
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 6: rewatched the game. Drew Brees wasn't as bad as the

706
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 6: Internet made him out to be, now, was he John

707
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 6: Madden his pride? I thought, no, he was fine. He

708
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 6: was okay. He was also really good at the LaSalle

709
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 6: Sports Tag this year. Uh so that's fine.

710
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: Uh. I thought Mark Sanchez actually was pretty decent.

711
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 6: I did too, and I've I've heard him do some

712
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 6: interviews and some hits as an analyst where he's been

713
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 6: pretty good.

714
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: But I guess he has enjoyed the Mark Sanchez Halloween costume.

715
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Speaker 2: That's why whenever you and I head out of town together,

716
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: I always make sure we travel in pairs. You wouldn't

717
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: let anything like that happen to me.

718
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 6: Likewise, my holiday costume next year is going to be

719
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 6: did did you guys see the footage of the guy

720
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 6: who lost the mayorll Corey Bowman.

721
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Speaker 3: This dude, I don't know if this he had.

722
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 6: He did his concession speech after he lost the election.

723
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: And again this is not a political statement, but in

724
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Speaker 6: his concession speech, he's wearing a suit, and I guess

725
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 6: all the broad there was no like podium, so everybody

726
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 6: asked him to put on a clip on mic. He

727
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 6: had like five lapel microphone. It's one of the silliest

728
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 6: things I've ever seen in my life. It took it

729
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 6: took longer to set him up with microphones than it

730
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Speaker 6: didn't count as votes.

731
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dang.

732
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Speaker 6: Uh So that was funny. That's gonna be my Halloween

733
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Speaker 6: costume next year. Michael was Corey Corey Bowman. I like

734
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 6: that Corey Bowman. Uh post lost Corey Bowman with all

735
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 6: the lapel microphones somebody's gonna get mad.

736
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: At me for that politics it is.

737
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: I made fun of a judge on Willie Show the

738
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Speaker 3: other day.

739
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: Wow, you are you're joining?

740
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Speaker 3: That was cathartic. H What else do we have in

741
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: the show today? Uh?

742
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 6: Steve Cangelos, he's calling the FC Cincinnati match on Saturday.

743
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 6: He is going to join us at five forty five.

744
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 6: Richard Skinner, our friend Amy Wagner is going to join us.

745
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 6: Rick Boring on x U and n KU basketball and

746
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 6: so much more.

747
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: We mentioned breakfast that we had together today.

748
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Speaker 3: We did.

749
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Speaker 2: Next Tuesday. You see Dayton Kentucky Louisville. Good day, What

750
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: a fantastic night of basketball.

751
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: I don't like it when you see plays Dayton.

752
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: Why.

753
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 6: It's like watching kids fight. It's two things I really

754
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 6: care about as well. I don't like it when they play.

755
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 6: I wish they wouldn't, Okay, I honestly, god, I wish

756
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 6: they wouldn't play. I feel that they've played the last

757
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 6: two years and I don't like it. I don't like

758
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 6: rooting against Dayton because I root for the bear Dale

759
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 6: once a year.

760
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: I do.

761
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 6: I feel weird and icky about it. I wish they

762
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 6: I think it's on one level.

763
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 3: It's cool.

764
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 6: I wish there were more regional games like this, but no,

765
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Speaker 6: I don't like it when they play. I just it's

766
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 6: not pleasant. It's not fun, and so.

767
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't like it. The Rads are going to play

768
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: two scrimmages in Milwaukee against the Brewers before the start

769
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Speaker 2: of the season. That's weird, isn't it.

770
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 6: Very It's not weird that they play the Brewers.

771
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 3: They're both in Arizona. It's weird that they're going to Milwaukee.

772
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's one thing if like there's a new park,

773
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 6: like the Reds played the Indians two games before the

774
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 6: first real game, Great American Ballpark.

775
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Speaker 3: You do that.

776
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Speaker 6: It's a dress rehearsal. You do it because you know

777
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 6: you're gonna sell a lot of tickets. But I don't understand.

778
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 6: I'm not that I'm not complaining. I don't care.

779
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: But that's when that came out that I thought that

780
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: was weird.

781
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: Speaking, I do think it is.

782
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Speaker 3: I guess notable. They don't play Milwaukee until June. Okay,

783
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: so maybe it doesn't matter. Since that you don't play them.

784
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 2: For Ads are probably in cruise control.

785
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean division locked up by then, have forty Homers.

786
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: By that point, Online has the Reds is the betting

787
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: favorite to land Kyle Schwarber at plus two fifty. Okay,

788
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: do you see any any realm that we live in

789
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: that that's a possibility. So what we've already heard from

790
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: Nick Crawl about spending.

791
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 6: The only reason I think the answer is yes is

792
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 6: what happened to Pete A. Lonzo last year where there

793
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 6: wasn't a huge market for him, right, Like, maybe there's

794
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 6: not a huge market for Kyle Schwarmer. There's probably gonna

795
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 6: be a lockout at the end of this coming season,

796
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 6: and so maybe you don't know about your long term

797
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 6: finances and teams that you might think would ordinarily be

798
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 6: interested view him as a depreciating asset, a little bit

799
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 6: of financial uncertainty, and the market doesn't materialize, and so

800
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 6: the asking price comes down, and it makes sense.

801
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: You and I from Middletown, ohile, yes? Really from Middletown? Really? Yes?

802
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 3: We say from like he's visited, born and MIDI huh,

803
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: like where Chris Carter's from?

804
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, really born and raised.

805
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 3: Is he nicer than Chris Carter?

806
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: By all accounts? He's really nice?

807
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 6: Chris Carter mean Chris Carter. I did a stag with

808
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 6: him this past season. This past year wasn't that great.

809
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: Also by all accounts, I mean now so out for

810
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: even after he's a good culture guy to a locker

811
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Speaker 2: room guy.

812
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 6: He just was like mad at everybody, like Chris tell

813
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 6: me about It was right before the National Championship game

814
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 6: and Jeremiah Smith is pretty good.

815
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Well, he don't need me to do.

816
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 6: I'm like christ question hadn't been on TV in a while.

817
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 6: The hell you're here to be nice to people?

818
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

819
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 6: What was the question about Colle Schwarber? I could see

820
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 6: a last year we talked about Pede Alnza. There was

821
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 6: like no market for him. It's like cool asking prices

822
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 6: come down down here and hit fifty home runs?

823
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: What about? You know what happened?

824
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 6: I got patted on the head and I was told

825
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 6: Christian and Carnassi on strands he's fuck mo.

826
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Speaker 3: We have CEOs like do you Louisville did in or out?

827
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: Austin Hayes, Scott.

828
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 6: Barlow, Hayes out suitor three million guys, spend that somewhere else,

829
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Speaker 6: keep him around to do impressions.

830
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: Scott Barlow, Okay, yeah, six and a half mil for

831
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: Scott Barlow though, yeah my money.

832
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: Well it's true. What do you gotta come up? You

833
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: got a haircut, you gotta double bye and a long

834
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: weekend coming up? What are you gonna do?

835
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna this your last show of the week.

836
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: Right, you want to know what.

837
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: I'm doing this week?

838
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 8: I'm certainly not gonna sit on our hands.

839
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 3: It is my last show.

840
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: You're not sitting on your hands.

841
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 3: Tomorrow.

842
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 6: I'm going to cut my grass nice Friday, we have

843
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 6: a UC basketball game. Nice Saturday, I'm gonna go out

844
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 6: with my wife for her birthday lovely. And Sunday, I'm

845
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 6: gonna watch NFL Red Zone for seven consecutive hours. Drink

846
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 6: a drink a twenty four pack. What I'm gonna do

847
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 6: with my Sunday, let's go well.

848
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: Enjoy all of that.

849
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: Sounds like we have similar plans. We do. It's really

850
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 3: really hefty.

851
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: Next next four days, Mo's last Show of the week

852
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: starts next on ESPN The Week Just of the week. Okay,

853
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: you never know, never know. Maybe ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

854
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Speaker 2: Sports Station. I have a great rest of your Wednesday

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