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Speaker 1: Is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Here we go our number three since he three sixty

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Austin, we've got

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Speaker 2: to talk some Nku Norse. We've got to talk some

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Speaker 2: Xavier Musketeers. And it dawned on us earlier as we

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Speaker 2: were preparing for the show. Do we have someone that

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Speaker 2: can kind of navigate both of those for us?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: And we threw a bunch of names at the wall,

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Speaker 2: five or six names, and then finally it came to us,

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Speaker 2: Rick Brooring.

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Speaker 4: Twelve or thirteen of them. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Rick Boring can do both. Yeah, and he's nice enough

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Speaker 5: to join us right now.

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Speaker 6: Hello, Rick, This disrespect is insane.

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Speaker 5: Rick.

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Speaker 2: I finished the last hour and I mentioned a few

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Speaker 2: things about the Bearcats because I assumed you didn't want

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Speaker 2: Austin said, well why not? So I'll ask you, is

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Speaker 2: there anything you you have? Is there anything you wanted

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Speaker 2: to say about the current state of the Bearcats.

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Speaker 6: Boba Miller can really rebound some.

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Speaker 5: Call me rebound machine.

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Speaker 4: That's why we have him on machine.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep, he can really rebound.

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Speaker 2: Dynamic, dynamic rebounder. Let's start in Northern Kentucky NK. You

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Speaker 2: normally we get to this point of the season and

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Speaker 2: and Darren Horn's teams are kind of rounding into form

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Speaker 2: and they're getting themselves, uh, kind of lined up for

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Speaker 2: the Horizon Tournament and an opportunity to make another NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: We've not seen the normal right now from NKU. They've

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Speaker 2: lost four games in a row now coming off a

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Speaker 2: loss to Oakland. What has been the issue right now

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Speaker 2: with this Norse team.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's been different things at different times. You know,

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Speaker 6: we talked a lot about defense going back.

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Speaker 3: The last few weeks.

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Speaker 6: This weekend, I thought the defense was better, especially at Oakland. Uh,

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Speaker 6: but then they couldn't make a shot and they.

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Speaker 3: Were banged up.

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Speaker 6: And now I think the big question is as they

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Speaker 6: on a roll and win some games late like they

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Speaker 6: have pretty much every season of Darren Horn's tenure since

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Speaker 6: he's been here. I mean, in the month of February,

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Speaker 6: NKU is winning over seventy two percent of its games

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Speaker 6: under Darren Horne. They usually go like six and two

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Speaker 6: during this month, so this is usually the month when

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Speaker 6: the Norse get it together. But the big question right

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Speaker 6: now is how are they going.

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Speaker 3: To be from a health perspective.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you've got Cale Robinson dealing with an ankle

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Speaker 6: injury after the Oakland game.

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Speaker 3: You've got l J.

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Speaker 6: Wells who didn't play in the Oakland game because of

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Speaker 6: out because he got injured in the Right State game.

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Speaker 6: We'll see what his status is going into Wednesday, if

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Speaker 6: he's still in concussion protocol or not. And then Donovan

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Speaker 6: Rocko Tananahari, one of the best rebounders and defenders, has

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Speaker 6: also been out with a lower body injury. So they're

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Speaker 6: just kind of struggling from a health perspective right now.

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Speaker 6: And as you guys know, it's hard to win games,

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Speaker 6: especially tough conference games, when you've got four of your

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Speaker 2: You go through this stretch up and the talk now

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Speaker 2: a position they're going to win the regular season Horizon

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Speaker 2: at least four teams against against the Norse that are

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Speaker 2: below them in the standings right now. So what will

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Speaker 2: it be between now in the end of the regular

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Speaker 2: season that Darren Horne, other than getting healthy, what can

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Speaker 2: to go come conference tournament.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's a good question. I think that

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Speaker 6: the defensive thing, it's like they've been top three in

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Speaker 6: so it's not like they've been terrible defensively, but there

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Speaker 6: have been moments. For instance, late in the Detroit game,

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Speaker 6: Darren Horn talked about it with us after the game

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Speaker 6: on the postgame show that you know, we talked about

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Speaker 6: in our huddles, quit foul, Like we're okay, we're making

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Speaker 6: we can't overcome that if we keep sending them to

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Speaker 6: the free throw line, make them score over us, but

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Speaker 3: Them have a layup.

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Speaker 6: And like from that point on, there were like four

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Speaker 6: more and ones after that committed by the Norse. One

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Speaker 6: that is where I think you really hope you can

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Speaker 6: improve this time of year. You've been together now since

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Speaker 6: June July. It's different than it used to be. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you don't have guys building in your program, learning your

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Speaker 6: system for two, three, potentially even four years anymore. It

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Speaker 6: is a quicker process now. But you've been together long

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Speaker 6: enough at this point that you're either going to come

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Speaker 6: doing some of those small things and locking in on

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Speaker 6: game plan instructions from the coaches and the types of

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Speaker 6: things that you execute every day in practice, carrying that

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Speaker 6: more specifically in crunch time when the game's on the line.

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Speaker 6: Because most of the games that they've lost have been

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Speaker 3: To the wire.

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Speaker 2: There's obviously different levels to injuries, and you get to

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Speaker 2: this point in college basket, well, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: look at the overall health of this Norse team. Are

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Speaker 2: there are injuries that you're expecting to get guys back

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Speaker 2: is it more significant where are they from just the

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Speaker 2: health point of view of getting guys back.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the tough thing. It's hard to know. Ethan

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Speaker 6: Elliott is in concussion protocols. You imagined he'll be back

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Speaker 6: Wells with the tailboon issue. I think you know they've

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Speaker 3: When he'll be available.

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Speaker 6: I hope that's a sooner than later situation as well.

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Speaker 6: The Cale Robinson injury is new.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what to expect there.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you got to think if that's a high

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Speaker 6: Then maybe, you know, maybe it won't won't be too severe.

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Speaker 6: So it still remains to be seen, but I think

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow they take on Green Bay, and Doug Gottlieb figured

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Speaker 2: Green Bay. They're above five hundred in the horizon right now.

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Speaker 2: If you look back to that first go round with

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Speaker 2: like NK you shot themselves in the foot. They only

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Speaker 2: turned it over three times. Green Bay shot the ball

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Speaker 2: extremely well, fifty eight percent from the field, fifty three

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Green Bay is kind of a unique team in

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Speaker 3: It back out to a three point shooter.

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Speaker 6: And you know, K, you worked on that continuously going

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Speaker 6: whatever reason, and they still got nailed by threes to

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Speaker 6: I mean, these are big games now down the stretch.

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Speaker 6: Like you mentioned, a lot of these teams are either

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Speaker 6: And for ENKU, it's all about you wanted a top

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Speaker 2: Has there been any conversation around Trust Arena, around the

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Speaker 2: norse of you know, things are a spy are going

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Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, you're trying to end a losing streak.

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Speaker 2: Has there been any call to arms to get Austin

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Speaker 2: to actually come to a game at Truest Arena to

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Speaker 2: see if they can change things around at all? Is

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Speaker 2: that has that been kicked around?

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Speaker 5: Good question?

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Speaker 3: It's funny.

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Speaker 6: It's funny you say that, Tony. We were in a

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Speaker 6: meeting earlier this week. You know, we do a Barren

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Speaker 6: Horn Show, a TV show as a promotional tool for

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Speaker 3: They said what else could we do?

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Speaker 6: And you know, everyone sat there with a long dramatic

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Speaker 6: might have been the athletic director, maybe the president. I

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Speaker 6: can't remember who it was exactly that looked at us

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Speaker 6: and whispered and so we'll see.

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Speaker 3: That's it. We'll see what happened.

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Speaker 4: They have my number. We will see I'm scheduled to

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Speaker 4: appear on campus on April in April twenty twenty first

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Speaker 4: or something, so I mean I can get there earlier

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Speaker 4: you probably, I probably will, sir, we need you to

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Speaker 4: come in, yeah, I mean they know where to find me.

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Speaker 2: The other side of this equation, Rick the Xavier Musketeers.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm fascinated by this team because you look at

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Speaker 2: But I keep finding things about this team and the

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Speaker 2: be coming on the horizon for Xavier and having Richard

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Speaker 2: It is that you're talking about an underman team, But

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Speaker 6: Well, DePaul does a really good job of taking away

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Speaker 6: you play one on one. It's similar to what Yukon's

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Speaker 6: Paul tried to do, and it just kind of had

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Speaker 6: obviously the big shots down the stretch. Was a kind

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Speaker 5: You tweeted this out.

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Speaker 2: I believe last week you look back to last year's

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Speaker 6: Shouldn't have they won a national championship?

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Speaker 5: He asked, You would think, so, who else is a front.

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Speaker 2: Of them, it's It's interesting because the first go around

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Speaker 2: Trey Carroll was not that just nine points on three

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 6: I think Yukon, with their size and athleticism, you know,

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Speaker 6: they're versatile. Defensively, they have those forwards like like an

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Speaker 6: I think Yukon just has enough guys like that, and

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Speaker 6: defensively they schemed to stop him. They were also able

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Speaker 6: Malichovich never really got it going. I think he had

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Speaker 6: just two points in that game, or at least just

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Speaker 6: good game for Xavier's front court, and we've seen when

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Speaker 6: Zager's at its best offensively, they've got to get those

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Speaker 2: Seventeen and a half point underdog on the road tonight

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Speaker 2: Muskies to go upset Yukon tonight and get a win. Outright,

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Speaker 2: how would they do that? I got a feeling, Rick,

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Speaker 2: other than just a feeling, Rick, how would they actually

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Speaker 6: You know, we were driving home from Detroit after this

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Speaker 6: Austin's been making a few. It's the House of the

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Speaker 5: So how did they do it?

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Speaker 3: How theation joke I did shoot? Out of your mind?

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Speaker 6: Oka like, Look, look, I'll be honest.

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Speaker 3: I don't see a path to them beating you guy.

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Speaker 3: I think you con so much better than them.

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Speaker 6: This year and the first game, Xavier could not guard

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Speaker 6: They were they were shooting threes with a defender not

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Speaker 6: stop Terris Reid inside. They weren't stopping dribble penetration like

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Speaker 6: Yukon just blitzed them from the start of that game

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Speaker 3: I think to pull this off.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna still getting your thoughts more on UC games

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Speaker 4: You better answer your phone tomorrow if they win, because

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Speaker 4: we're gonna be calling your ass.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've been wrong before.

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Speaker 6: That's it won't be the first time. Shout out to

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Speaker 2: He'll have twenty two of them on Thursday night against

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Speaker 3: What will be the spread of that game?

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Speaker 2: Uh, you see, will probably be a favorite. There'll be

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Speaker 2: a small favorite at home shorthanded. They'll come out and fight.

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Speaker 2: They'll they'll scratch and claw like they normally do. All right,

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Speaker 2: I like it, Bobba Miller rebounds. That's what we're gonna do. Rick,

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Speaker 2: You're the best man.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Thanks for coming on, Rick Brooring.

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Speaker 4: See you at the House of Dank be you and Skinny.

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Speaker 5: I guarantee Skinny's been there before. Probably there right now, where.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys want to meet for dinner? How's the

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Speaker 2: dead sounds good? What I love is just the path.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 2: Rick laid it out for Xavier to win tonight. Not

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Speaker 2: many things have to happen.

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Speaker 4: He said, A natural disaster.

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Speaker 2: Yep, you never know this time of the year. So

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Speaker 2: you're telling me there's a chance inclement weather. Who knows

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Speaker 2: what can happen? Uh, thank good Jim to shoot in.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Rick Brewing for uh for joining us. We'll uh,

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Speaker 2: we'll take some phone calls five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, and UH talk some Bengals as well. Next

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Now here's your chance to