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Speaker 1: this morning, Tom, Happy Friday, Eve Man, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good morning. Sounds like we've already Yanni Sinanigan's declaration

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Speaker 3: going on? What a mess? I know, that's wow. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a running joke up the dial. And I'm

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Speaker 1: Well it doesn't. It would be a better argument, or

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Speaker 3: Well, elections have consequences, and we talk about it every day,

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Speaker 1: Have a great datah Man, Well, maybe she's appealing to

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Speaker 4: Hey, First of all, Merry Christmas to you and Joe

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Speaker 1: getting in front of Judge Cross is confusing to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it happened, but it did, and

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Speaker 1: I understand. Thank you, love you brother. You take care

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Speaker 1: the shooting of two teenage boys who were aged fifteen

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Speaker 1: and sixteen about three thirty in the afternoon December eleventh.

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Speaker 1: We're in Atlanta on this one court to the police Chief,

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Speaker 1: Darren Schierbaum of the Atlanta Police, our investigation determined that

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Speaker 1: we believe a property crime was occurring, that some packages

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Speaker 1: Responding officers found a fifteen year old with a gunshot

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Speaker 1: wound to his right foot, taken to the hospital for treatment.

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Speaker 1: After that, they found the other team of the gunshot

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Speaker 1: critical condition. That boy early Friday morning. Police said the

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Speaker 1: teen underwhen surgery. Both are expected to survive, which is

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Speaker 1: lucky for this guy squeezing off the rounds because it

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Speaker 1: could be homicide. Teen suspected of stealing packages i e.

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Speaker 1: Porch pirates. No charges against the teen announced, but of

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Speaker 1: course they can be charged with endeavoring to steal packages.

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Speaker 1: But listen, unless you are faced with the eminent apprehension

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Speaker 1: being taken from you, you can't use deadly for so

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Speaker 1: on your ring camera, doorbell to turn that information over

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Speaker 1: what's happening, but do not shoot them if they enter

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Speaker 1: your home. You're in a different realm Castle doctrine. Assume

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Speaker 1: you are in fear of your life when someone breaks

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Speaker 1: into your home. I know people want to shoot people

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Speaker 1: for stealing property, but you can't do it. Florida woman

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Speaker 1: arrested for driving a stolen car to the federal courthouse

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Speaker 1: where she was on trial for her allegerle and conspiracy

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Speaker 1: to defraud twenty nine million dollars from COVID nineteen relief money.

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Speaker 1: Thirty nine year Oldatoya Clark blocks away from the US

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Speaker 1: flagged her vehicle as a stolen vehicle. She's hid in

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Speaker 1: out of the vehicle, was handcuffed. Cop explained why she

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Speaker 1: was being detained. Oh, I know why, she said, adding

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Speaker 1: Close quote court. To the court records, she obtained the

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Speaker 1: van a couple of months ago in a one day

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Speaker 1: rental from U Haul. When she failed to return the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: it was reported stolen. Charged with the felon, he booked

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Speaker 1: into the county jail, made her a note show at

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Speaker 1: the federal court where she was indicted in May for conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: money laundering, a wire fraud. She and five co defendants

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Speaker 1: engaged in the multi year scheme to filew phony COVID

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Speaker 1: relief applications one of like nine billion of these, considering

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Speaker 1: nobody was looking out for fraud, waste, and abuse. There

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Speaker 1: He'd said it again, Thomas is on a roll. They

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Speaker 1: submitted ninety two bogus claims, netting them twenty nine million dollars. Well.

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Speaker 1: Following her arrest in the stolen van case, her bond

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Speaker 1: that she was living out of the stolen wheels. You

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Speaker 1: think Connie Pillich would have dismissed as Joe, Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: from you, my friend. Welcome back.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Brian Thomas. So let me get this straight.

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Speaker 5: Mark Petemeyer and Joe Dieters, two of the most respected

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Speaker 5: prosecutors and assistant prosecutor at Hamilton County, much so less

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Speaker 5: Ohio and probably across the country, have ever had planted

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Speaker 5: the evidence or implied that the evidence has been planned

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Speaker 5: just to get a conviction.

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Speaker 2: Now, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: The defense claimed that the necklace, which was a custom

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Speaker 1: made personal possession of the deceased, was in The prosecutors

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Speaker 1: pointed out they found that in his car. I think

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Speaker 1: was found in a toolbox, and he owned it was

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Speaker 1: in the truck of his car. The defense attorneys suggested

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Speaker 1: that it was planted. Deaders did okay, well you just

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Speaker 1: got done saying theaters, and Pete Meer suggested that it

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Speaker 1: was planted.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, if I said that, I'm sorry, I just want.

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Speaker 1: To make sure of it. I understood it. So the

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Speaker 1: listeners understood it. Yeah, the defense argument, and that was

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Speaker 1: rejected by the jury who found him guilty beyond a

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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt and so much so that they recommended the

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Speaker 1: death penalty.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would still take is that somehow that evidence

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Speaker 5: was that put in the toolbox. Somebody had to put

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Speaker 5: it there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the defendant question, my bigger question is how many

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Speaker 6: millions of dollars are the county hatchpayers on the hook

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Speaker 6: for it now? Because this guy is going to sue

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Speaker 6: and sue and sue for thirty years of incarceration. And

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Speaker 6: I've seen this over and over and over that somebody

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Speaker 6: like this gets some team millions of dollars for every

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Speaker 6: year that they're in prison.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what Dinner's point is. The judge cross here

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Speaker 1: in Hamilton County is the one who claimed that this

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Speaker 1: stuff was planted, that evidence was withheld, now notwithstanding the

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Speaker 1: fact that prior courts had concluded that no evidence was

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Speaker 1: not withheld, and even to the extent he had documents

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Speaker 1: weren't produced. They had nothing to do with the case. Basically,

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Speaker 1: So there's no argument there. You have appellate court decisions

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Speaker 1: that you can rely on in defense of any civil

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Speaker 1: suit that's brought by this guy. I mean, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, a civil suit may very well ensue, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you can't defend against it.

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Speaker 5: Oh he's gonna sue, He's something definitely sue. They always do,

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Speaker 5: because now you know he was on TV stating his

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Speaker 5: innocence and the nurse saying, well you are guilty, and

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Speaker 5: Joe Dieters is out there saying he's a murderer.

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Speaker 3: He is going to sue. You.

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Speaker 5: Watch the same as what I said to you about

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Speaker 5: a month ago about streetcar number two and you kind

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Speaker 5: of scoffed at it and laughed at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm laughing at it again. Just the idea of a

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Speaker 1: street car number two makes me laugh. Whether or not

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Speaker 1: it has genuine motive or a genuine effort behind it,

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Speaker 1: and they really do plan on putting one in, it's

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Speaker 1: just the idea that they come up with to do

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Speaker 1: streetcar number two is in and of itself comical and stupid. Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I'm not going to go I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: it's not going to happen though, it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: doubling down on dumb.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, I'm gonna I'm gonna get the old popcorn and

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Speaker 5: watch it. Watch the millions flow out of the coffers,

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Speaker 5: because these people don't mind writing checks for millions and

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Speaker 5: millions of dollars to anyboddy that pushes it and I

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Speaker 5: know dagone, well this has got politics behind it.

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Speaker 1: Well that'll be the check. The check right after the

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Speaker 1: former fire chief Washington and police chief former chief on

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Speaker 1: administratively Fiji have their checks written to them. So maybe

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Speaker 1: check number three will in fact go to this convicted murderer.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going on the record there, Bill, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the program. Happy Friday, Eve.

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Speaker 2: Hey Brian, happy to you too. Hey, listen, I remember

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Speaker 2: watching this on television in Saint Louis. They had like

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Speaker 2: Unsolved Mysteries and Mystery whatever show a whole hour on

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Speaker 2: this murder and how they've basically found all the evidence.

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Speaker 2: The lady got punched in the mouth that gave the

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Speaker 2: guy a hand disease similar to the same thing that

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Speaker 2: cats can give people. It's that's how that doctor knew it,

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Speaker 2: because he knew it was the same thing that sometimes

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Speaker 2: a house cat if they fight your or your wrestling

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Speaker 2: with it, and Charles blood, it's the same. It's the

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Speaker 2: same disease as that, and that lady acted she had

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Speaker 2: it in her mouth and not too many people have them,

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Speaker 2: but she did. And it was a heck of a show.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen it or how

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Speaker 2: you could look that up to watch it. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean for this lady to say there's no evidence

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Speaker 2: and just to try to let somebody out blows me away.

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Speaker 2: How somebody years down the road can do this.

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Speaker 1: It just it's not it's not right, which pretty much

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Speaker 1: sums up in short form, all of the points that

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Speaker 1: former Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Dieters made and of course

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Speaker 1: commented yesterday speaking with Bill Cunningham on the radio as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he called them outright liars. That's a bold statement. That's

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Speaker 1: why he issued a statement also saying go ahead and

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Speaker 1: sue me, Go ahead, sue me for defamation. We'll go

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Speaker 1: to court on that one too, and I'll say the

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Speaker 1: same thing in court and defending myself that have been

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Speaker 1: saying about this murderer for the last thirty years. Five

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Speaker 1: fifty five fifty five car CD talk stations stick around

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Speaker 1: plenty to talk about the six o'clock hour, go any

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Speaker 1: direction you want with phone calls. Got some other areas

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Speaker 1: right back. Today's tough headlines coming upation it's six or

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Speaker 1: wishing everyone very happy Friday Eve Thursday of Forest. Coming

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Speaker 1: with Joey makes it really easy. We're talking with Todd

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Speaker 1: about the mayor's sketchy board memberships. Why is he on

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Speaker 1: board of directors with money that from the City of

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Speaker 1: since Ant going to the entities upon which he sits

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Speaker 1: as a board of director? Good question. Where's the railway

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Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't. Just wants to point out that apparently

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Speaker 1: there's railway money out there, there's not being used. Most notably,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to repair city roads across the city.

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Speaker 1: Why hasn't the city spent over three hundred million dollars

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Speaker 1: that was allocated to repair the roads in the city.

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Speaker 1: And just to basically a year in review as well

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Speaker 1: Todd zens or that'll come up in an hour. Jay

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Speaker 1: three talk. You can go with time five fifty on

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Speaker 1: eighteen and T phones. And big story locally anyway, is

645
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Speaker 1: Hamlin County Prosecutor Pillage dismissing the Elwood Jones case, effectively

646
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Speaker 1: rendering it the whole case over with. So a convicted

647
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Speaker 1: murderer who'd been through the appellate process, both on state

648
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Speaker 1: level appeals and the federal court appeals, lots of evidence

649
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: pointed directly to him as being the murderer. The jury

650
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: had no problem convicting him, convinced me on a reasonable doubt,

651
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Speaker 1: and I recommend for the death penalty because he beat

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Speaker 1: a woman to death, convicted of that, and yet it

653
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Speaker 1: ends up in front of Judge Wendy Cross. I think

654
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Speaker 1: it was remanded after one of the appellate courts dealt

655
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Speaker 1: with the issues that were raised in the case. It

656
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Speaker 1: was remanded in front of her, and then she decides

657
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Speaker 1: that well, in spite of the fact that all the

658
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Speaker 1: judges above her and the original court hearing found that

659
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Speaker 1: the claims that resulted in the dismissal of this case

660
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Speaker 1: actually lies. Called out his lies yesterday by not only

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Speaker 1: Hamilton County or former prosecutor Joe Dieters now Supreme Court

662
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Speaker 1: Justice Joe Deeters, but a lot of other folks, including

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Speaker 1: our friend out there. Signal ninety nine summed up all

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Speaker 1: the evidence, I mean, and what COUNNYE. Pillage said, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the evidence it was all laid out,

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Speaker 1: was in fact a lie. That blood test Okay, The

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Speaker 1: prosecutors argued and proved to the jury that he beat

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Speaker 1: her to death with walkie talking and his hand, his

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Speaker 1: hands got a cut on it. He has an infection,

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Speaker 1: and infection comes from a bacteria that was in her mouth,

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Speaker 1: and a doctor that testified it couldn't have come from

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Speaker 1: any place else but somebody's mouth. And the injury was

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Speaker 1: consistent with a fight injury. That's pretty damning evidence right there.

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Speaker 1: And the judge concluded that the forensic evidence was exculpatory.

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Speaker 1: That's not exactly what the judge said, or the defendant's

676
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Speaker 1: own experts said. He had a one in three chance,

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Speaker 1: one out of three of getting hepatitis bat which the

678
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Speaker 1: deceit had that he would have got it one out

679
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Speaker 1: of three chances, So that means two out of three

680
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Speaker 1: times he didn't or wouldn't have That doesn't exclude it

681
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it render him innocent. It doesn't prove that

682
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Speaker 1: he didn't hit her. It's just not dispositive of the

683
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Speaker 1: issue whether he hit or not. But the jury's allowed

684
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Speaker 1: to factor that into the case, along with the other evidence,

685
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Speaker 1: like the jewelry that she owned that was found in

686
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Speaker 1: his car, like the walkie talkie that he had as

687
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Speaker 1: part of his employment that was used to beat her

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Speaker 1: to death. Apparently the marks on her body indicated that

689
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Speaker 1: she was hit with a walkie talki like device. Anyway,

690
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Speaker 1: the imprint matched up that was produced as evidence in court.

691
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Speaker 1: Apparently the trial court bought it. I mean, his notably

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Speaker 1: lengthy criminal record, the fact that he had the master

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Speaker 1: key to the room that he entered. Only one of

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Speaker 1: four people that could have got had a key to

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Speaker 1: that room, two of whom were the people that occupied

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Speaker 1: the room and were sitting in the restaurant in the

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Speaker 1: hotel enjoying breakfast or whatever meal they were having at

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Speaker 1: the time. He used his master key and went into

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Speaker 1: the apartment or the hotel room unexpectedly finding the deceit

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Speaker 1: so demonstrably rewriting the evidence. I think that's how Signal

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Speaker 1: ninety nine referred to it. And yeah, she just wrote

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Speaker 1: the other day and sums it up great. Remember the

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Speaker 1: days when elected officials cared about truth and integrity and

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Speaker 1: Hamilton County facts matters. Prosecutors didn't stand a podiums and

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Speaker 1: outright lie to the public just to justify a political

706
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Speaker 1: decision that would be highly controversial. And ask yourself this

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Speaker 1: them dismissing these charges after all of these appellate reviews

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Speaker 1: confirmed what was done at trial was appropriate at above board,

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Speaker 1: nothing controversial there. Why in the hell is this a

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Speaker 1: political decision? Who is this murderer that he apparently wields

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Speaker 1: so much power over Connie Pilloch and Judge Wendy Cross.

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Speaker 1: What connections does he or anybody related to him have

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Speaker 1: that they can just ignore all of this damning evidence again,

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Speaker 1: damning evidence that was reviewed multiple times in multiple courts.

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Speaker 1: I don't get that. I like how Signal ninety nine

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Speaker 1: her comments on this reminded the world that Connie Pillats

717
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Speaker 1: never prosecuted a case in her life. She had never

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Speaker 1: even practiced law in decades and allowed her law license

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Speaker 1: to expire, only to well renew the license when she

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Speaker 1: decided to run for Hamilton County Prosecutor, knowing full well

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Speaker 1: as a Democrat in Hamilton County, she was assured victory

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Speaker 1: in spite of how well she had no credentials to

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Speaker 1: even be on the job. Congratulations voters in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 1: This is apparently what you get as a consequence. I

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Speaker 1: guess elections have consequences. Serving ninety nine says, you know

726
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Speaker 1: what Hamilton County Prosecutor, County Pillag and Judge Wendy Crost did.

727
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Speaker 1: And the Elwood Jones case wasn't a mistake, It wasn't

728
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Speaker 1: a misunderstanding. It wasn't messy. That was a word they used.

729
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: It was a deliberate rewriting of history, built on distortions, omissions,

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Speaker 1: and outright falsehoods meant to sell you a lie. They

731
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Speaker 1: hope that no one would challenge. But when all these

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Speaker 1: documents and evidence are all out there, all it takes

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Speaker 1: is someone to bring it back up, like was done

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Speaker 1: over and over in the various appeals that this man

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Speaker 1: had through the appellate process. Both state and federal. As

736
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Speaker 1: she points out, the receipts exist and they're absolutely devastating.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with a lie, then anchor the entire narrative

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Speaker 1: that the modern day medical test and excluded l One

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Speaker 1: Jones as Ronda Nathan's killer. That claim not only false,

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Speaker 1: it's an outright lie. And here's where we go back

741
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: over rehashing the one and three thing. The defense is

742
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: unpaid expert testified there's a one in three chance he

743
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Speaker 1: would have contracted hepatitis from Ron and Nathan even if

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Speaker 1: he beat her at at thirty three percent, not exclusion

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Speaker 1: its probability. It's uncertainty and pretending otherwise. It's either in

746
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Speaker 1: competence or here's the answer, intentional deception. So what is it?

747
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Speaker 1: She asked rhetorically. Were they just too incapable to understand

748
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Speaker 1: the law and how to properly decipher actual evidence, or

749
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Speaker 1: did they intentionally lie? Or was it both? So that's

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Speaker 1: the whole nefarious or stupid argument that I always make

751
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Speaker 1: when you see problems like this which you can't quite understand.

752
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Speaker 1: Are they just dumb or are they nefarious? Dumb is

753
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Speaker 1: one thing, he said, Well they're idiots. Nefarious is another level,

754
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Speaker 1: going back to the whole political decision. Is this political

755
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Speaker 1: and if it is political, it is nefarious. But why

756
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: what would motivate them to do this after thirty years

757
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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine says no. Then came the next whopper,

758
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: thousands of pages withheld evidence, another live Federal courts reviewed

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Speaker 1: those materials, not once, not twice. And the background on

760
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: that is, after he goes to the state process, gets convicted,

761
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Speaker 1: a trial, goes up to the state appeals process, has

762
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Speaker 1: his conviction confirmed confirmed, they jump over to federal court

763
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Speaker 1: and say they want all these other documents because they

764
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Speaker 1: were allegedly withheld. All the documents were gathered, but nothing

765
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: was in there. There was nothing that was exculpatory. Prosecutors

766
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Speaker 1: have an obligation to hand over all evidence that they possessed,

767
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Speaker 1: that it could be exculpatory, even could be exculpatory if

768
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Speaker 1: it relates to the underlying charges, you have to hand

769
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Speaker 1: it over. Well, they went back, they got all these

770
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Speaker 1: extra documents and found that none of them have any

771
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Speaker 1: connection with this case. None of them are exculpatory. That

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Speaker 1: conclusion not only asserted by the prosecutor's office, confirmed by

773
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Speaker 1: federal courts who reviewed it, and yet Judge Wendy Cross

774
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Speaker 1: claimed that the up that this failure to turn over

775
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Speaker 1: these unrelated documents was an injustice that justified him having

776
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Speaker 1: a new trial, and once that decision was handed down,

777
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Speaker 1: new trial is allowed. That's when Hamilton County Prosecutor Pillage says, no,

778
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Speaker 1: we're dropping all charges, rendering any further appeals on that

779
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Speaker 1: issue completely moot and as was suggested, making him not

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Speaker 1: eligible for a retrial due to double jeopardy rules. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how that works in maybe we need Steve

782
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Speaker 1: Gooden to comment on that one. Joe. So I'm upset

783
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: about it, not as an upset as Joe Dieters is.

784
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Speaker 1: And again I went through some of the items that

785
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Speaker 1: he pointed out to Connie Pillage in an outright damning letter,

786
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Speaker 1: going through all of the evidence that was presented and

787
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Speaker 1: the whole appellate process calling them basically liars. Why can

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Speaker 1: someone answer that question? Why was this man granted a

789
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Speaker 1: new trial after all of that? And why did Connie

790
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Speaker 1: Pillis choose to just outright dismiss the case. Pats on

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Speaker 1: the phone, Maybe Pat has the answer to that. Maybe

792
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Speaker 1: you have the answer that or anything else. Feel free

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Speaker 1: to call five on three seven four nine fifty eight

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Speaker 1: imported manufactured car six twenty one fifty five kcdtalk station.

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Speaker 1: Trump promising to reduce home prices yesterday, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: quite sure how I take what his announcement was related

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Speaker 1: to home prices. He said, I will announce some of

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Speaker 1: the most aggressive housing reform plans in American history. Well

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Speaker 1: he didn't yesterday, and this is a real challenge. I

802
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: fully appreciate the politically charged predicament that the Republicans are

803
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Speaker 1: having with regard to in inflation as we approach the

804
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Speaker 1: November of elections. It's a real problem. Of course, healthcare

805
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: is another separate problem. These are the Democrats' two main arguments.

806
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Speaker 1: But dealing with housing reform and trying to get housing

807
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Speaker 1: affordability as a concept out there in the world again

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Speaker 1: because it used to be is a major major problem.

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Speaker 1: And here the facts are what they are. Affordability a

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Speaker 1: top concern. Of course, there's your political issue. Beginning with

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Speaker 1: a COVID pandemic, housing costs have gone clearly up. Medium

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Speaker 1: home prices jumped apparently fifty five percent. That fact from

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Speaker 1: the National Association of Homebuilders. Rents jumped thirty five percent nationwide.

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Speaker 1: According to Zilo. That's again since the COVID nineteen pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Right barring costs are up, Federal Reserve jacked, interest rates

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Speaker 1: up because of inflation. Yeah, I remember that pesky thing.

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Speaker 1: Inflation we're all dealing with. It's not just housing inflation,

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Speaker 1: of course. Donald Trump's ab talked about food inflation yesterday

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Speaker 1: as well. Some bright spots in the food inflation. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he noted that eggs have dropped dramatically. Part of the

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Speaker 1: problem with eggs the bird flu wiped out tons of

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Speaker 1: the bird population. You also had supply chain issues, etc.

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Speaker 1: During COVID nineteen. Those problems have gone away as a

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Speaker 1: matter of course, and therefore eggs fell. Okay, there's one

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Speaker 1: bright spot. What about all the others like bee for example,

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Speaker 1: the herds are too small. We haven't hit adequately sized

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Speaker 1: herds for a variety of reasons COVID nineteen. Again one

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Speaker 1: of those if you're workers, the slaughter the meat smaller herds.

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Speaker 1: Price of feed jumped up, fertilizers shot through the roof,

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Speaker 1: and that of course, largely driven by green energy policies,

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Speaker 1: at least in part. Accord to the National Association Realtors,

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Speaker 1: housing shortage number one reason for lack of affordability. Housing shortage.

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Speaker 1: Now he's going to announce some of the most aggressive

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Speaker 1: housing reform plans in American history. How are you going

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Speaker 1: to resolve the housing shortage problem? Well, part of it

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Speaker 1: are these self inflicted wounds that I've been talking about

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Speaker 1: a lot of late. You know, you want to point

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Speaker 1: to the problem with inflation. Yeah, there's the problem right there.

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Speaker 1: It's the regulatory hurdles to get something built, not just

840
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Speaker 1: high mortgage rates, persistent shortage of home experts pointing to

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Speaker 1: years of underbuilding, and Donald trumpillatered this too, talk about

842
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Speaker 1: the reality of adding ten to twenty million illegal immigrants

843
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Speaker 1: over a very short period of a few years. That

844
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Speaker 1: causes a housing shortage. Clearly, if nobody's been building an

845
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Speaker 1: adequate supply of housing for years and then we hit

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Speaker 1: COVID and then we got an in border invasion, you

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Speaker 1: got also restrictive zoning laws. My friends in California know

848
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Speaker 1: all about that. They built any houses of the Pacific

849
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Speaker 1: Palisades after the fire. Yet, how's that situation in Hawaii

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Speaker 1: going eh restrictive zoning laws, regulatory hurdles another reason cited

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Speaker 1: by the experts of why there is an insufficient supply

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Speaker 1: of housing out there, regulatory hurdles, again self inflicted will

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Speaker 1: uns So can Donald Trump go after the core problem

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Speaker 1: here getting rid of restrictive zoning laws and the regulatory

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Speaker 1: hurdles that states have the power to impose. Which is

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Speaker 1: Police investigating a shots fired incident after two young men

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Speaker 1: Witnesses report of the pair of fighting. Neighbors said a

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Speaker 1: said a news release. One of the two young men

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Speaker 1: don't believe that there's any threat to the general public,

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Speaker 1: Stoppers three five two thirty forty. I suppose will work

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Speaker 1: man and two dogs. This is so sad were found

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Speaker 1: at corner to Westchester Fire Chief speaking with local news

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Speaker 1: Channel nineteen Rick Prince or west Chester Fire Chief Rick

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Speaker 1: second dog. Bodies were recovered, pond was still covered with ice.

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Speaker 1: They said that made recovery efforts a little more difficult.

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Speaker 1: positive it is In terms of the environment, a hot

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Speaker 1: Department of Wildlife confirmed that an animal that was spotted

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Speaker 1: Wildlife confirm it was the first record in Cauyhoga County

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Speaker 1: Listed currently as a species of Special Interest by the

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Speaker 1: hot Department of Natural Resources. They call the siting tremendously exciting,

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Speaker 1: saying it's another species native to Ohio that to be

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Speaker 1: the return of fishers and other extrapated speed She's like otters,

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Speaker 1: bobcats and trumpeter Swan's a result of conservation efforts and

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Speaker 1: emphasize the importance of healthy forest, wetlands, waterways, and natural

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Speaker 1: What else is going on? Well, you know, I, honestly

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Speaker 1: I will profess not having a clear understanding on where

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Speaker 1: the authority comes from that pesky little thing called do

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Speaker 1: And apparently Jnald Trump is going to hand every member

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy six dollars seventeen seventy six as

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Speaker 1: last night's address from the White House, that payment said

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Speaker 1: will go one time payment, most notably one point four

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. If that fun fact had

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Speaker 1: escape your attention, he said, I am also proud to

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Speaker 1: announce that one thousand or one million, four to fifty

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Speaker 1: Warrior dif dividend just before Christmas, a warrior dividend in

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Speaker 1: honor of our nation's founding in seventeen seventy six. We

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Speaker 1: are sending every soldier one thousand, seven hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: six dollars. The checks are already on the way. Nobody

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Speaker 1: deserves it more than our military, and I say, congratulations

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Speaker 1: is to everybody great now. He of course, gave himself

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Speaker 1: credit for having the money because of the revenue generator

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Speaker 1: through tariffs, arguing that stronger trade enforcement and changes in

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Speaker 1: economic policy produced results at exceeded projections. I saw an

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Speaker 1: article reporting the other day two hundred billion dollars taken

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Speaker 1: in so far into the Trump tariff scheme. I use

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Speaker 1: that word anyway, depending on where you look, the tariffs

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Speaker 1: are working really really well or in some cases, they're

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Speaker 1: causing some inflationary problems, not overwhelmingly causing inflation in spite

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Speaker 1: of all the gloomen doom projections. And I too was

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Speaker 1: a fence sitter when I heard Trump started starting to

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Speaker 1: talk about it in implementing tariffs in all these countries.

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Speaker 1: But it is bearing fruit across the board, and one

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Speaker 1: of the prices in price increases we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: of late coffee. Oh my god, people have to make

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Speaker 1: coffee at home now because they don't want to spend

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Speaker 1: seventy eight dollars a cup over at Starbucks. Great. I

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Speaker 1: think that's smart anyway, But you know what, it's out

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Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's hands. There's no tariff on the coffee anymore.

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Speaker 1: He got rid of those a month and a half

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Speaker 1: or two months ago, at least a month and a

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Speaker 1: half ago, So that's not causing it. It's environmental problems.

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Speaker 1: They're having too much rain and drought conditions where they

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Speaker 1: grow coffee, and there's not a damn thing anybody can

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Speaker 1: do about changing the supply. It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Limited number of regions grow coffee, so you're stuck with

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Speaker 1: that one anyway. But the broader question I have is one,

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Speaker 1: seven and seventy six dollars. Fine, Okay, you've identified a

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Speaker 1: source of the revenue. Is it tariff revenue? All a

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Speaker 1: pile of money that Donald Trump can decide where it

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Speaker 1: goes because he's promised some of that money to you

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Speaker 1: and I as well. A lot of rumblings and rumors

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Speaker 1: about us each getting about two thousand dollars and as

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Speaker 1: a result of the tariffs that have been levied and collected.

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Speaker 1: I'm waiting for that one. But power of the purse

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Speaker 1: last time I check rest with Congress. So I don't

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Speaker 1: know that it's politically prudent to object to these checks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, people of all political stripes tend to have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good amount of respect for the frontline soldiers

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Speaker 1: out there. So I don't know if anybody wants to

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Speaker 1: touch that with a ten foot poll. But I suspect

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Speaker 1: there arguably could be some challenges to the idea of

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Speaker 1: handing these checks out, merely because these distributing money that

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Speaker 1: was collected by the federal government without a specific authorization. Plus,

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Speaker 1: of course it came from some peace of legislation that

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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with. There's that pesky constitution. Oh and

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Speaker 1: you know, that pesky constitution is run headlong into Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's bombing of boats in Venezuela. Considering bombing Venezuela itself,

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Speaker 1: I've been calling for an authorization for use of military

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Speaker 1: force from Congress. I've been calling for congressional involvement in

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Speaker 1: that again, waging war. Constitution speaks to that. We've kind

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Speaker 1: of gotten around the whole idea of declarations of war

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Speaker 1: in post World War II world with authorizations for use

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Speaker 1: World War Two. But the House did reject a plan

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Speaker 1: to block Trump from using military force against Venezuela just yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Where does that leave us? I'm asking out loud, six

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Speaker 1: we're going to the congressional authorization. And I know I

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Speaker 1: as well. I see it seems to me to be

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Speaker 1: just looking at the Constitution. Anyway. Yesterday twenty two eleven

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Speaker 1: force against Venezuela absent congressional authorization. Oh, try to do

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Speaker 1: it resolution advanced by Jim McGovern, Democrat out of Massachusetts,

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Speaker 1: and yes, Thomas Massey. So it didn't advance, which means

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Speaker 1: what so he's going to continue on his path. We're

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Speaker 1: going ahead and unilatterly bombing Venezuelans. Generally speaking, I suppose

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Speaker 1: at Massey's point, he wrote it on acts, when war

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Speaker 1: making power devolves to one person, liberty dissolves. Congress needs

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Speaker 1: to vote before the president attempts to regime change. On

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Speaker 1: the other side, you have somebody like Republican Florida represented

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Speaker 1: Brian mass chairman of the House Born Affairs Committee, saying that, well,

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Speaker 1: he does not need permission from Congress to execute, in

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Speaker 1: his words, precise limited strikes. Well, okay, then that seems,

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Speaker 1: at least in his mind, that protects him and his

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Speaker 1: ability to vote or to bomb the boats. But that's

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Speaker 1: precise limited strikes would ground operations and an effort for

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Speaker 1: regime change because the Durea government has now been labeled

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Speaker 1: a foreign terrorist operation? Would that be precise and limited?

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Speaker 1: It's the rhetorical question anyway. Over the editorial board of

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal talk about self inflicted wounds. Where California

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01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: is doing it to itself? Why are why is energy

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Speaker 1: so damn expensive in California? It's not Donald Trump, it's

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Speaker 1: not inflation. It's their stupid pursuit of carbon emissi or

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Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. So they right. Remember when climate lobby claimed

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Speaker 1: the fossil fuels wuld become stranded assets of oil gas

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Speaker 1: companies should start winding down their business these days. That

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Speaker 1: better describe some green energy investments. Ford Motor Company this

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Speaker 1: week wrote down nineteen and a half billion dollars in

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Speaker 1: electric and vehicle investment. Pulling the plug on the plug.

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Speaker 1: Pacific Gas and Electric Company fighting California regulators to pull

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Speaker 1: the plug on this costly solar plant known as ivan Pa.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this before, So Mohabbi Desert Solar Project

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Speaker 1: started operating back in twenty fourteen, a two point two

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Speaker 1: billion dollar plant built by investments from Google, NRG Energy,

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Speaker 1: Bright Source Energy, and thanks to you, a one point

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Speaker 1: six billion dollar loan guarantee from the Obama administration, coupled

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Speaker 1: with a thirty percent federal tax credit and a five

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five million dollar Treasury grant. Those tail

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Speaker 1: end figures are coming compliments of you and your hard

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Speaker 1: work and the money they take from your paycheck and

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Speaker 1: of course your children's efforts down the road, because we're

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Speaker 1: paying interest on this borrowed money. Anyway, this plant used

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Speaker 1: what they call embryonic solar thermal technology. Bottom line is

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Speaker 1: you got thousands and thousands of mirrors that focus sunlight

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Speaker 1: onto a giant tower. But what happened was, since it's

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Speaker 1: been operating since twenty fourteen, they found out this is

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Speaker 1: not a very efficient way to generate power from the sun.

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Speaker 1: There are more efficient ways. We've got newer technologies. We're

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Speaker 1: losing money on this. The power it generates is insufficient

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Speaker 1: and it's very costly. Let's stop doing this. Also described

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Speaker 1: as the world's biggest bird fryer, incinerating thousand and of

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Speaker 1: birds every year who unknowingly fly into the path of

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Speaker 1: this concentrated sunlight and die PGENI earlier this year announced

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Speaker 1: plans to terminate the power purchase agreement with the plant

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Speaker 1: to save customers money step in the right direction. Utilities

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Speaker 1: said it didn't need Ivanpase electricity to meet the state's

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Speaker 1: sixty percent renewable mandate. Again, there's a self inflicted room

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Speaker 1: just by putting a mandate in there for sixty percent

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Speaker 1: renewable generation. But hey, even in spite of that, we

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Speaker 1: don't need this. We don't want this plant. It's too costly.

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Speaker 1: Solar photovol voltaic projects are the newer wave of technology

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Speaker 1: that produces energy more efficiently. It would provide electricity at

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Speaker 1: a lower cost, although I would argue not as low

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Speaker 1: a cost as as a natural gas fired plant would offer.

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Speaker 1: But okay, at least as to this one plant. They're

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Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing while maintaining the renewable mandates.

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Speaker 1: Energy analyst Robert Brice calculates that nixing Ivanpak could say

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Speaker 1: the ratepayers about one hundred million dollars a year, not

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Speaker 1: an insignificant amount. No matters, say the energy regulators who

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Speaker 1: work for Governor Gavin Newsom. The State Public Utilities Commission

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Speaker 1: rejected the energy company's plans this month because their plans

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Speaker 1: to get rid of the plant, it risks stranding sunk

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Speaker 1: infrastructure costs. Huh, So the plant was built. It does

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Speaker 1: generate some electricity, although inefficiently, and a significant increase for

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Speaker 1: the taxpayers. But because it's built, we're not going to

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Speaker 1: let you stop running it. It's built, so ratepayers spend

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Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars to connect to the plant

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Speaker 1: to the grid. Now the state plans will force them

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Speaker 1: to keep subsidizing the project, which wasn't economic even with

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: a tower of government handouts. Their words not mine the

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01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: props of them for writing them. They say, four it

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01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: took a right down on evs to cut its losses.

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Speaker 1: California regulators want to make ratepayers pour good money after

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Speaker 1: bad one of the reasons electric rates in California are

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Speaker 1: the second highest in the country after Hawaii, that has

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Speaker 1: its own regulated imposed mandates with little regard to cost.

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Speaker 1: Self inflicted wound. Does it have to cost that much

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Speaker 1: your energy? No, it doesn't, and it shouldn't, and this

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Speaker 1: plant should have been built in the first place. We

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Speaker 1: keep running down that road despite of the fact that

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of folks have moved on and away

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Speaker 1: from the whole concept of this global warming crap. Share

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Speaker 1: respondence calling climate and the environment their most important issue

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Speaker 1: dropped from fourteen percent in twenty twenty, it's down to

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Speaker 1: six percent. So if all the issues that voters care about,

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Speaker 1: six percent think the climate is the most important. Why, well,

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Speaker 1: because the climate crisis has run into affordability problems, and

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Speaker 1: affordability has won out. Not just here, it's moving that

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Speaker 1: direction in the European Union as well, after their years

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Speaker 1: of self inflicted wounds ruined their economy. Todds Ends or

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Speaker 1: Citizen Watchdog After the news, I hope you can stick

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Speaker 1: around today's top headlines coming up at the top of

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Speaker 1: the hour because the news changes. Fifty five KRC the

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Speaker 7: This report is sponsored by Jake Sweeney Automotive, serving the

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Speaker 7: Tri State for over one hundred years.

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Speaker 1: It's red tag just I have seven six here fifty

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Speaker 1: five KRC Detalk station. Very Happy Friday, eve Ta made

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Speaker 1: extra special in studios. Citizen Watchdog todds Ends Or, former

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Speaker 1: Inspector General for the United States of America, is keenly

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Speaker 1: interested in what I always like to jokingly refer to

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Speaker 1: as Shenanigan's going on in the city of downtown Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: or is he follows the figures, follows the money, finds

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Speaker 1: out where money is being allocated, most notably those pesky

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Speaker 1: NGOs that seemed to suck up a lot of cash

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Speaker 1: and then don't provide information about what they've actually done

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Speaker 1: with it. So I'm suggesting maybe that those handouts of

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Speaker 1: money rewards for political favoritism. And a little bird told

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Speaker 1: me over the break there, and I was looking for

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Speaker 1: facts or information surrounding why. And this is not related

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Speaker 1: to a conversation we're having with Todd Zenzer. But good

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Speaker 1: to see again, Todd Zenzer, thank you for coming in.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian.

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Speaker 1: The dismissal of the murder case against Elwood Jones, after

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Speaker 1: having been convicted and affirmed on appeal through the state level,

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Speaker 1: all the way through the federal level. Wondering why it

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Speaker 1: is that Connie Pilach and Judge Wendy Cross decided we

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Speaker 1: were going to ditch this, Wendy Cross issuing an order

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Speaker 1: saying he was entitled to a recal retrial, followed by

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Speaker 1: Connie Pillage saying no, we're dismissing all charges against him.

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Speaker 1: He's been released. He is obviously guilty. Look at what

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Speaker 1: Joe Deeters had to say about it, former prosecutor apparently

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Speaker 1: at the press conference doing this. Iris Rawley was there.

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Speaker 1: So I was looking for a political reality of why

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Speaker 1: would they go through all the trouble to to dismiss

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Speaker 1: the charges against this murderer clearly guilty without question and

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Speaker 1: basically having Pillage lie to the to her constituents, the

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Speaker 1: Hamilton County voters who put her in office, distorted the evidence,

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Speaker 1: distorted the underlying record yesterday in the press conference. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's it, Scott iris Rawley's fingerprints on it. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you decide. Moving over, thank you Todd Zenzer for the

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Speaker 1: work that you do on behalf of the taxpayers of

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. Right out of the gate man.

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Speaker 1: What you show, it's really frightening. And let's start with

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Speaker 1: the mayor.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, last time you were on the show, you had

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Speaker 1: pointed out that mayor aft have provol is a board member.

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Speaker 1: Now it's no, you found it. It's on several organizations.

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Speaker 1: Am I right on that too?

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Speaker 7: So far that I found okay?

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Speaker 1: And under the ethical rules of being a mayor that

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Speaker 1: governed the mayor's office is he an obligated to report

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Speaker 1: where his you know, these board memberships, just as a

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Speaker 1: matter of public disclosure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The financial disclosures that the Ohio Ethics Commission requires has

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Speaker 7: a section where you have to disclose any other organizations

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Speaker 7: where you have a fiduciary role, which board members absolutely

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Speaker 7: have a fiduciary role. And so I actually looked at

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Speaker 7: his financial disclosures in connection with those repossessions to.

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Speaker 1: See what is the repossession.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I got those, and when I was looking

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Speaker 7: at the forums, this section on fiduciary does not contain

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Speaker 7: his board membership for Centrifeus. And I had three years

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Speaker 7: of disclosure and none of those are reporting his board

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Speaker 7: membership of Centrifus, which I had already found. And then

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Speaker 7: there's a second nonprofit that he is a board member

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Speaker 7: for and they also get money from the city. They

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Speaker 7: get about fifty thousand dollars a year an outfit called Compass,

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Speaker 7: and Centrifuze has gotten between two hundred and two hundred

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Speaker 7: and fifty thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, I just referenced the NGOs that get money

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Speaker 1: and the question marks swirling around whether or not we

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Speaker 1: get any return for the money they're given. But we

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Speaker 1: all know that money is given to a variety of

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Speaker 1: different non governmental organizations from the city coffers. He sits

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Speaker 1: on two boards of directors for independent companies, the ones

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Speaker 1: that you just mentioned that receive those types of handouts

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Speaker 1: from the city taxpayers. Yes, how I mean that is

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Speaker 1: that is a conflict of interest.

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Speaker 7: Well, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Let mean establish this. Let's point out that does mayor

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Speaker 1: Afta Purwalls have some or any say in where these

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Speaker 1: funds are handed to whom these funds are given or

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Speaker 1: handed out. I know the city managers intogrillly involved in that.

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Speaker 1: We've been down this process before. But the mayor does

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Speaker 1: have some authority over that, right.

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Speaker 7: Yes, if you look at the authorities of the mayor

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Speaker 7: and the authorities of the city manager. I have a

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Speaker 7: memo that from the former solicitor that basically says that

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Speaker 7: the mayor and the city manager share the responsibility of

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Speaker 7: formulating the budget. So he's involved in formulating the budget

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Speaker 7: in general that has all of these leverage support payments

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Speaker 7: is what they are, grants is what they call it.

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Speaker 7: And then there's a process and I've criticized the city

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Speaker 7: council for this to their face, where the city council

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Speaker 7: members and the mayor will recommend additions to whatever the

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Speaker 7: city manager is recommending. For these leverage support recipients, the

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Speaker 7: city council members and the mayor can actually propose adding

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Speaker 7: or subtracting from those amounts. And there's one year, for example,

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Speaker 7: where the mayor himself inserts himself in the leverage support

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Speaker 7: for centrifuse, where he adds twenty five thousand dollars to

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Speaker 7: the grant level that the city manager had already recommended.

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Speaker 1: And he is sitting on their board, on the board

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Speaker 1: effectively voting money or directing money. This isn't even a vote,

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Speaker 1: This doesn't require since a council approval majority or otherwise

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Speaker 1: does it.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's part of the overall budget, so yeah, they

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Speaker 7: vote on it. Oh they don't have to vote, Well,

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Speaker 7: I guess they do vote on the overall budgets.

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Speaker 1: So yes, so they effectively stamp of approval. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: they make a list of ones that they want to

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Speaker 1: get money, these different various NGOs, so city council is

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Speaker 1: involved in that process along with the city manager. And

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Speaker 1: then after they do that, Oh, wait a second, I

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Speaker 1: want to add this company on the list of recipients,

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Speaker 1: in this particular case, twenty five thousand dollars to a

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Speaker 1: company that he sits on the board of directors. So

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Speaker 1: they add that. Then council later approves the budget. That's correct,

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Speaker 1: which it contains the additions that they didn't recommend in

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Speaker 1: the first place.

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Speaker 7: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: So he has complete control and authority over this type

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Speaker 1: of addition. It sounds like now they could reject the

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Speaker 1: budget based upon the addition of that one NGO, but

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Speaker 1: they clearly didn't.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 1: That is I mean, that's an open and shutcase of

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Speaker 1: conflict of interest.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's kind of an ethics one O one thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean purely. That's why I really wanted to focus

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Speaker 1: on where the authority lies. Who has the authority to

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Speaker 1: ensure that, you know, he well this? So what are

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Speaker 1: you in response to this? I guess supposedly, or I

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Speaker 1: suppose to. The first quick question is what action can

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Speaker 1: be taken? I mean, first of all, he isn't complying

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Speaker 1: with his obligations on the disclosures.

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Speaker 7: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Is that actionable? Does that mean is this subjected to

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Speaker 1: exposure to a penalty or a fine or public right

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Speaker 1: condemnation or anything.

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Speaker 7: All of that would fall under the jurisdiction of the

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Speaker 7: Ohio Ethics Commission, and so you know they have they

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Speaker 7: have ways to come enforce their rules. And whether or

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Speaker 7: not mister Purval becomes subject to those enforcement efforts is

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Speaker 7: a different question.

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Speaker 1: Well, that requires someone to bring it to the Ethics

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Speaker 1: Boards attention by way of a formal request or or complaint.

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Speaker 7: That would that would be the start of the process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, is that like a chrisp any kind of

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Speaker 1: thing or uh no.

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Speaker 7: Any any citizen can file a complaint with.

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Speaker 1: The including a citizen watch talk.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they could, he could.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Utah's insert just asking I see that brain.

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Speaker 1: I know, I just ask him for the listening audience.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know where to go with that one.

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Speaker 1: That is ethical vote.

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Speaker 7: What I've well, first of all, I have I have

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Speaker 7: raised this issue to the city Council in public comments

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Speaker 7: about how screwy this system is where they make recommendations

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Speaker 7: on top of the city manager. And so I told

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Speaker 7: him one time, I said, the least you can do

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Speaker 7: is when you send your memos in with these requests,

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Speaker 7: the least you could do is have a little attestation

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Speaker 7: at the bottom of the memo saying that you do

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Speaker 7: not have a conflict of interest with any of these organizations.

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Speaker 7: So I made that recommendations earlier this year, or that

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Speaker 7: recommendation earlier this year. We'll see whether they do that.

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Speaker 7: But there's no oversight of any of this NGO spending

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Speaker 7: the well.

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Speaker 1: I suppose their theoretically could be oversight if he accurately

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Speaker 1: filled out his financial disclosure forms, because then the information

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Speaker 1: will be public and it will be in combing perhaps

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Speaker 1: arguably on the city council members when these requests are

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Speaker 1: made to look at the disclosures to find out if

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Speaker 1: he has any connection with the money of the organizations

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Speaker 1: that are getting money. If he's not there, he has

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Speaker 1: no connection. One could logically conclude, that is if he's

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Speaker 1: being honest with his financial disclosure forms. But here we

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Speaker 1: have a situa where he's not right, taking away the

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Speaker 1: ability of anybody to check whether this is an etheric violation.

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Speaker 1: That's right on paper, Enter Todd Zinzer on paper right now.

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Speaker 7: With the financial disclosures, no indication that he sits on

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Speaker 7: the board of Centrifuse. But I have confirmation from the

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Speaker 7: CEO of centrifews that he is sitting on the.

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Speaker 1: Board fine pivoting over to the other entity where he

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Speaker 1: did disclose he was a board member, they too received

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Speaker 1: money as well, right, which negates my point about the

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Speaker 1: city council actually doing its job and checking into these

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Speaker 1: things on its own. Yes.

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Speaker 7: Well, here's here's another thing, Brian early On, I asked

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Speaker 7: for the financial disclosure forms that they that the officials

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Speaker 7: in Cincinnati file with the city, that there's a separate

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Speaker 7: financial disclosure that they file with the city. So I

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Speaker 7: requested those, and the city did not give them, give

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Speaker 7: me any of them.

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Speaker 1: Did they provide you with an explanation of why that

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Speaker 1: information was not forthcoming? Todd's Enzer, Well.

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Speaker 7: I can't remember exactly what they say, but they don't.

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Speaker 7: They don't give a lot of explanation on public records

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Speaker 7: request and they deny it. It just says it's overbroad,

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Speaker 7: or we don't do research for you, or you know,

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Speaker 7: excuses like that, it's a problem. This public disclosure or

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Speaker 7: this public records request process for the city is terrible.

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Speaker 1: Which is how it always ends up in court, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and how they always end up losing in court. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And how that money that they went and fought in court.

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Speaker 1: Was coming from the taxpayer of the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Litigation is expensive.

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Speaker 7: Yes, but their first instinct is to withhold, and somehow

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Speaker 7: we've got to turn that around. Their first instinct should

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Speaker 7: be to disclose the records.

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Speaker 1: Well, we recently had an opportunity to turn things around,

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Speaker 1: but one in four voters in the sea just showed

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Speaker 1: up and we know what we got out of that. Yes, sir, massive, massive,

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Speaker 1: But let's do it all over again more with Todds Inzer.

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Speaker 1: We've got lots more Shenanigans call out right coming up

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Speaker 1: at seven sixteen right now. Todds ins are in studio.

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Speaker 1: Citizen Watchdog's name of the podcast. He is a Citizen Watchdog.

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Speaker 1: You can fall on Facebook, you can listen to the

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Speaker 1: podcast produced by Joe Her. Of course Tounzans you would

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Speaker 1: mentioned and I don't want to let it go without

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Speaker 1: following up on it. I think the board membership that

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Speaker 1: after Provol is involved with here, I think is a

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Speaker 1: greater and more problematic problem than after Pervol's personal expense issues.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't pay his monthly car payment, resulting in

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Speaker 1: the repossession of his automobile. They actually repossessed it.

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Speaker 7: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was widely reported, and he even had a

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Speaker 1: press conference following day saying, ah, it was an oversight.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was interviewed. I can't remember who interviewed him,

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Speaker 7: but he did make public statements that there was a

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Speaker 7: problem with his auto pay.

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Speaker 1: Right auto pay. So you set up and it makes

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Speaker 1: an automatic payment. Fine, I'll acknowledge, and I'll just go

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01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:48,560
Speaker 1: ahead and admit fine, he has auto pay. But he

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Speaker 1: didn't say, no, my car was not repossessed. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's an admission of fact right there, right, Okay. With

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01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: that in mind, who out there really truly believed is

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Speaker 1: that he didn't get multiple notices in advance before his

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Speaker 1: car was actually towed away. I mean, nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: tow away a car if it was mere oversight. Oh

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Here's the money from last month, and by

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Speaker 1: the way, here's my payment for this month. Great, we

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Speaker 1: don't have to get a tow truck out there. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: People I spoke to didn't find it credible.

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Speaker 1: So incredible, not believable. Right, Maybe one could characterize that

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01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: as a lie, if we want to go so far

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Speaker 1: as to put a pejorative term on it.

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Speaker 7: You could say that, okay, all right, So here's the

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01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 7: thing about this.

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Speaker 1: He's looking at the ethical picture here in total. So

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Speaker 1: we're moving from one ethical problem to another, and lying

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01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: to the constituents to me, is an ethical breach.

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Speaker 7: Well, just on the financial disclosures and his failure to

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Speaker 7: comply with the rules. There what happens is, let's say

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Speaker 7: there's somebody else who has to file financial disclosures who

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Speaker 7: haven't done that. It gets caught up in some kind

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Speaker 7: of a gratuity issue or bribery issue, and you're not

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01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 7: going to be able to punt for any of those

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01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 7: disclosure problems because all he has to do is point

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Speaker 7: to the mayor and say he's he's not complying, why

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Speaker 7: should I comply? So that's one issue. The other issue

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Speaker 7: point the other issue is that it shows everybody that

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Speaker 7: we're operating in it catch me if you can operation,

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Speaker 7: which is very common where the people heading up these

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Speaker 7: public agencies they don't follow the rules and when they're caught,

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Speaker 7: they say, oh, I'm sorry, I just we won't do

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Speaker 7: it again. And that's that's the kind of culture that

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Speaker 7: seems to be at play here in Cincinnati, which.

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Speaker 1: Is why you're such a thorn on their side. There's

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Speaker 1: so many catch me if you can, things going on

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Speaker 1: out there, and you seem to be the only one

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Speaker 1: that's even interested in getting to the bottom of how

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Speaker 1: they are getting away with it or holding them accountable

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Speaker 1: for violating the rules.

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Speaker 7: I really criticize the city council for that because that's

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Speaker 7: their job. Their job is to oversee the administration. And

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Speaker 7: for example, on this eight million dollar settlement, not one

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01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 7: member of city council ask the solicitor, how did you

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Speaker 7: arrive at eight million dollars? How did you arrive at

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Speaker 7: twelve or thirteen thousand dollars for each of the members

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Speaker 7: of the class.

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Speaker 1: This is the settlement for the curfew violation arrests.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for the law for the civil rights lawsuit that

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Speaker 7: was filed in right, and they're not doing The City

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Speaker 7: Council does not do any oversight that I can see

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Speaker 7: right now. All they do is spend money. That's basically

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Speaker 7: what they do.

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Speaker 1: Well, using your disclosure rule as an illustration, if you

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Speaker 1: don't know the rules, you're probably not going to comply

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Speaker 1: with them. Is it possible, Todd Zendser that the folks

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Speaker 1: that have been elected to the Cincinnia City Council just

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Speaker 1: really don't know what they're doing. Insofar as they have

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Speaker 1: that responsibility for oversight.

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Speaker 7: Well, thereby law they must take an ethics course going

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Speaker 7: into their going into their term of office. But in

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Speaker 7: the case of the mayor, I didn't bring up with

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Speaker 7: me today, but he actually signed a code of conduct

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Speaker 7: that talks about he has to know the conflict of

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Speaker 7: interest rules, he has to go to ethics training every year,

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Speaker 7: and he has to agree not to retaliate against anybody

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Speaker 7: that's blowing a whistle.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and then at some point there should be a

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Speaker 1: failure to abide by the foregoing result in some consequence.

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Speaker 1: What might that consequence be? I know, you said you

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Speaker 1: can report somebody to the ethics board, which probably has

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Speaker 1: been done. If I mean, I'm just saying it out loud,

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Speaker 1: some probably has been done, or refer to the prosecutor's

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Speaker 1: office or whatever. But is there any accountability in that

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Speaker 1: ethics mandate or edict that he issued.

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Speaker 7: No, it's it's just to him signing that he will

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Speaker 7: do do all that, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, see folks seven twenty five fifty five k c

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Speaker 1: DE talk station. We'll find out where in the hell

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Speaker 1: was that ready? Thursday, to you Brian Thomas with Citizen

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Speaker 1: Watchdog Todds Inzer and Studio for the hour, one revelation

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Speaker 1: after another, and Todd you know, I commented to you

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Speaker 1: off the break, I cannot thank you enough for the

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Speaker 1: work that you're doing. It's got it. You're fighting this

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Speaker 1: Sissophian challenge to you know, right, the wrongs that are

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01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 1: going on each and every day, and you're met with

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Speaker 1: such resistance at every single turn. You didn't follow all

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Speaker 1: of these rules. You were derelicting your duty from way

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01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: back to this point in time. You ask for the information,

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01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,560
Speaker 1: they resist giving you the information. And then when you

1495
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 1: when you pully fully pull the carpet out from under

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 1: them or reveal the facts and information, then they just say, whoops,

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01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's right, and continue to do it in

1498
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:38,879
Speaker 1: all other areas of government.

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01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: Right.

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01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 7: So the first red flag to me was when I

1501
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 7: first started looking at the city. I looked at their

1502
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 7: internal audit operation and on their website it said that

1503
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 7: they do a risk assessment every six months or twice

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01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 7: a year. So I asked to see that. I put

1505
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 7: a record's request in to see it, and they come

1506
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 7: back and they say, oh, well, we don't do that.

1507
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 7: We don't we don't have the re sources to do

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01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 7: a risk assessment, which means that they haven't done any

1509
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 7: work to see what's on the horizon that could hurt

1510
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 7: the city. That's the purpose of the risk assessment is

1511
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,800
Speaker 7: to find out where your weaknesses are that you have

1512
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 7: to work on to protect the city.

1513
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: So spending what I would argue is a small amount

1514
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 1: of money to protect the financial future of the City

1515
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, generally speaking, has gone by the wayside because

1516
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: they claim they don't have enough money to do that

1517
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 1: while giving away money to outside organizations, some of whom

1518
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: Mayor Burvall sits on the board of directors.

1519
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, great, So that was a big red flag

1520
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,720
Speaker 7: for me because it doesn't really cost any money. All

1521
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 7: they have to do is go to each department head

1522
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 7: ask what are your biggest challenges? What are your biggest concerns?

1523
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 7: You ask the department heads what risks do you face

1524
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 7: to complete your work? And you ask each department head.

1525
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 7: They give you the answer, you write it down, you

1526
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,959
Speaker 7: issue the report. That's a risk assessment.

1527
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't sound like it sounds like a job

1528
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 1: responsibility that should be done on a day to day

1529
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 1: activity kind of thing. Doesn't no additional allocation fun absolutely wow, Okay,

1530
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: you quite revealing, Todds Ends are moving over to railway money.

1531
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: We were promised millions and millions of dollars were rolling

1532
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: on in and the one limitation they have on using

1533
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: railway money allegedly is existing infrastructure. But you've run into

1534
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 1: some problems with all of that, Todds ins Or, explain

1535
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: that to my listening audience.

1536
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 7: Well, most recently, in fact, I just sent a letter

1537
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 7: to the board yesterday because of this report on Local

1538
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 7: twelve that they haven't they haven't spent a thirty million

1539
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 7: dollars that they're getting for infrastructure work. And the reason

1540
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 7: I wrote to the board is because back in February

1541
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 7: I went to a board meeting and I asked them,

1542
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 7: what are you going to do with the city isn't

1543
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 7: able to spend the money that you dispersed to them.

1544
01:26:55,320 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 7: It's sitting there in the city coffers doing nothing. Why

1545
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 7: don't you make them justify their request and keep that

1546
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 7: money in the trust fund until the city actually needs

1547
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 7: the money.

1548
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: Okay, And when you say their request, who is the

1549
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 1: they that you're referring to that has the request I

1550
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: just kind of want to get I want to have

1551
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 1: clear understanding of this how this works.

1552
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 7: The city gets an automatic disbursement now every quarter of

1553
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 7: the railway money. Okay, So it goes into the city

1554
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 7: coffers and it's.

1555
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 1: In a separate pile, a trust fund sort of kind

1556
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: Oh you give me the John decide of suspicion on that.

1557
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 7: No, it just goes through the city. They have an account,

1558
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 7: they have a line item for it, but they're not

1559
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 7: spending it all right, and so the I can't recall

1560
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:50,600
Speaker 7: your question, Ryan, So.

1561
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: The money requests, where's that coming from? That it has

1562
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: not been dispersed. It's still sitting in the city coffers.

1563
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 7: Well, the projects that they planned the fund with that

1564
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 7: money aren't off the ground. They're not incurring any cost yet,

1565
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 7: so that money's just sitting there.

1566
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: Okay. So let's say repaving some road requires a construction

1567
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: crew or an allocation of city construction crew resources. Yes,

1568
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 1: either an independent contractor is going to do the work

1569
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: or the city itself is going to do the work. Right, Yes,

1570
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: So they're standing there, presumably waiting for money so they

1571
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: can start work. On the project.

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01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 7: Well, they've got they've already got capital funds that they're

1573
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 7: using that are in the budget, and then this extra

1574
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 7: money they've got projects in mind to use the railroad

1575
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 7: money for those projects, and it's those projects that aren't

1576
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 7: getting off the ground, and it's the money that's not

1577
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 7: being spent, the money to repave the roads. They've got

1578
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 7: money to repave the roads, and the railroad money is

1579
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 7: a supplement to all those moneys.

1580
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: Right, that was the joke behind everything, because money's fungible. Yes,

1581
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: they have all the tax dollars that come in and

1582
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: a separate source of revenue call it flag tax dollars

1583
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: is railroad money that's going to the same pot. That

1584
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: just gives more money to handle, money to handle the

1585
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 1: responsibility that the original taxpayer should have done. So that

1586
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: gives them an extra thirty million dollars to play with, right,

1587
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars to play with it. Now they can

1588
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: say no, we're getting railroad, we're getting road repair from

1589
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: that thirty million dollars that the railroad produced because that's

1590
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: existing infrastructure. But that takes the weight off the budget

1591
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: by thirty million dollars for them to go out and

1592
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: fund some goofy brand new projects taught. That's exactly right,

1593
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: that's how it's working as far as I can tell. Yes,

1594
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 1: have they identified the road projects that have yet to

1595
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: be funded that aren't being done right now that you're

1596
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: referring to a moment ago? I mean, are you if

1597
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: you looked at them when you say, yeah, that's existing infrastructure.

1598
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 1: What are we being denied because of this sort of

1599
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: hold on the fund distribution.

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01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,920
Speaker 7: Well, it's just a matter of the city doesn't have

1601
01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 7: the infrastructure or the processes and the empower and the

1602
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 7: contracting to get all this money working. So it's just

1603
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 7: sitting there until the city can get its act together

1604
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 7: in terms of you know, the bidding of contracts and

1605
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 7: uh A, purchasing of materials and it's it's all in

1606
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 7: the it's all in the queue, and they haven't actually

1607
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 7: spent the money.

1608
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: Yet because they don't have the resources to do their job.

1609
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, they they they don't. They don't have the infrastructure

1610
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 7: in the city to spend all that.

1611
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 1: That's like your foyer request. Yes, yes, for documents. They

1612
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 1: have a legal obligation to produce them. I'm sorry, we

1613
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: don't have the resources to comply with the law. Well

1614
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 1: that's a really convenient way of getting around the law,

1615
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: isn't it, Todd.

1616
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 7: Right, So what I've been saying is that they they

1617
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 7: turn back money every year from the capital Account that

1618
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 7: they have not been able to spend because of their

1619
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 7: you know, bad processes and things like that. So they

1620
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 7: already can't spend the infrastructure money that they had in

1621
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 7: the general fund. And then you're going to layer railroad

1622
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 7: money on top of that, and they don't have the

1623
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 7: infrastructure to spend that either. And that was a big

1624
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 7: argument of ours for why we shouldn't be selling the railroad.

1625
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:19,559
Speaker 1: Jeez, this gets worse the longer this conversation goes. Todd,

1626
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 1: I just am really struggling with trying to find some

1627
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: positive and there apparently there are none.

1628
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 7: Well, they did pay Sunset, Brian, they paved Sunset.

1629
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: I know they had money for that after all these

1630
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 1: many many years, decades even Yeah, thanks for doing that.

1631
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 1: And you no longer have me to be able to

1632
01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: complain about that. I still have the gift that keeps

1633
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: on giving along the complaint lines. The street car. Maybe

1634
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: Todd knows something about maybe a new leg of the streetcar,

1635
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of rumblings about that one

1636
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: going on seven thirty seven right now, if you have

1637
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: krc DE talk station, imported cars, whether they're from Asia

1638
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 1: or Europe, Chuck Ingram, fifty five KRS deep talk station

1639
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 1: seven forty you came up with seven forty two fifty

1640
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: five KRCIT talk station. Brian Thomas with Citizen Watchdog Todds,

1641
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: I stick with the parameters of this budget. I think

1642
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: I personally was a little confused because I was thinking,

1643
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: like the federal government's budget this sticking with the thirty

1644
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 1: million dollars. So the Railroad Trustee Board allocates the proceeds

1645
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 1: and gives the city a Sincinnty the thirty million dollars. Yes,

1646
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: the city has budgeted certain programs during the budgeting process

1647
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: for the prior year. Where that money is going to go,

1648
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: as you've explained it based upon their inability to get

1649
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 1: these projects off the ground, issuing RFPs, going through the

1650
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: process of you know, selecting contractors whatever. They don't have

1651
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: the resources to do that, so the money remains unspent. Yes,

1652
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: moving into the next county year. The federal government and

1653
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: the way their budget process works, it's use it or

1654
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 1: lose it.

1655
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 7: That's absolutely correct.

1656
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: You have to spend the money during that fiscal year.

1657
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 1: That's right. That's not the case for the city.

1658
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 7: No, that's not so.

1659
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: The money remains in the account.

1660
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 3: Yes.

1661
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 1: Is the city under an obligation in the following year

1662
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 1: the new budget to honor the commit it's made under

1663
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 1: the prior year budget to do those certain projects that

1664
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: were identified or is that Can they start from scratch?

1665
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 7: Well that's a good question, Brian. I think they can

1666
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 7: basically move that money to whatever projects are the priority

1667
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 7: at the moment. And what I suggested to the board.

1668
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 1: This week the trustees that monitor the investment from the

1669
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: railroad sale that board, that's right, not one of the

1670
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: ones I after have pro ball sitting on. Sorry, had

1671
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: to make this is this is.

1672
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:30,200
Speaker 7: The railroad the railroad board. What I suggested this week

1673
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 7: is that they adopt a draw down system like the

1674
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 7: Federal Highway Administration has, where the states come in and

1675
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 7: they draw down money from the federal government account as

1676
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 7: they need it. They don't get all this money up front.

1677
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 7: They have to put claims into the federal government to

1678
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,679
Speaker 7: draw down money from their account.

1679
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 1: It's like an attorney working off a retainer. Yes, get

1680
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,840
Speaker 1: a lump sum upfront. You can only draw money after

1681
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: you've done the hour's work. Right.

1682
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 7: So what I suggested to the board in a letter

1683
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 7: this week is that they adopt a drawdown system where

1684
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 7: the city has to come and make specific requests for

1685
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 7: specific sums of money for specific projects, and that's when

1686
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,800
Speaker 7: the Board can transfer money to them.

1687
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: Because the issue is not ripe for transfer of money

1688
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 1: until they have a set in stone project, that's right,

1689
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: funding parameters.

1690
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 7: Until until they have something they're going to spend that

1691
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 7: money on in a timely way. That money should stay

1692
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 7: in the trust fund earning returns or.

1693
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: Earning Yeah, that's the other that's the benefit from that.

1694
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: Not only does it make them you know, you pay

1695
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:40,520
Speaker 1: money owly for projects that are actually working and being accomplished,

1696
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: but you continue to earn interest.

1697
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 7: Right, the money should either be working on the infrastructure

1698
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 7: or working by earning gains in the trust fund.

1699
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Have you heard back from the board on that concept.

1700
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 7: No, I just sent the letter the other day.

1701
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Okay, do they do you think they have the ability

1702
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: to implement a drawdown procedure along those lines?

1703
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's my read of it anyway.

1704
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,520
Speaker 1: All Right, So this isn't intruding on Cincinnati Council's authority

1705
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 1: to choose projects or to pick whether to allocate where

1706
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: the funds go. It just merely is demonstrating to the

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01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 1: board who's got the money, that there is a specific

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Speaker 1: project the money is going to.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: So the board has some very good lawyers that are

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Speaker 7: sitting on the board. So I don't want to tell them,

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01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 7: you know, legally what they can and cannot do, but

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01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 7: they should. They have a fiduciary duty to make sure

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Speaker 7: that they are earning the maximum amount they can earn

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Speaker 7: in that account. And by giving money to the city

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Speaker 7: that the city isn't in a position to spend, you know,

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Speaker 7: they're losing that earnings.

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Speaker 1: Huh, which might give rise to a cause of action

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Speaker 1: by any sinsinni taxpayer for breach of fiduciary duty.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, there's another lawsuit somebody out there, and the

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01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: audience can key contia.

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01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 7: So I'll let people know what they tell me, if

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01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 7: they tell me anything. But the next meeting of the

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01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 7: trust board is in February. So in fact, what I

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01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 7: I think I posted it last night on my Facebook.

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Speaker 7: I went to the meeting in February of this year

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Speaker 7: of twenty five, and I raised the issue of the

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01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 7: inability of the city to spend the money that the

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01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 7: board was transferring to them. I said, you, you can't

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01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 7: transfer money to the city and have it just sit there. Right,

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01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 7: So they didn't do anything back in February. We'll see

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01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 7: if they do anything.

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01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 1: Now, don't hold your breath. We really like you and

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01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing for the city. In spite of the

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01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 1: fact it's a thorn in the well. Am Ayor's side

1737
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: is as much as any of the the council members

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01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 1: and the city manager. Seven forty six right now more

1739
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: one more with Todd sendsers stick around QC Kinetics, will

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01:36:50,200 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 1: QC Kinetics saw talk station seven fifty have kr C

1741
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: de talk station Brian Thomas Todd Zinser and probably just

1742
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: scratching the service of all the issues going on in

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01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati that Todd is writing. Heard over. He busily

1744
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 1: writes letters issues for your requests and waits and waits

1745
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 1: and waits and waits and waits for them to say,

1746
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we don't have time to do it. Kind

1747
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 1: of just summarizing your life over the course of the

1748
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: past year. Todd's enser one of the things you mentioned

1749
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: on the break, You've got the ongoing issues. Those are

1750
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: issues you've advanced, you've sent letters, you've brought to the

1751
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: public's attention, waiting for follow up, waiting for resolution. So

1752
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: you're keeping track of the ongoing and I presume ever

1753
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,839
Speaker 1: growing lists. But then you also have, like into the future,

1754
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: what you want to look into. So there's that list

1755
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: projects you need to get to. But then you start

1756
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: as you become more and more popular and more widely

1757
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 1: known for what you are doing, this value to the

1758
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 1: city that you provide, people are bringing more things to

1759
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 1: your attention. Yeah, so you can I summarize by saying

1760
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: you're feeling a bit overwhelmed with a number of issues

1761
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 1: that need to be looked into.

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01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 7: Todd, Yeah, I think one of the things I have

1763
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 7: to do is manage people's expectations about what exactly we

1764
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 7: can look into here, because we really don't have any

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01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 7: authority to you know, go into places and talk to

1766
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 7: people like I did when I was working. But yeah,

1767
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 7: there are people that they have their own oversight questions.

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01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 7: You know, the courts for example, and the criminal justice issues.

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01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: Big topic this morning, It is a big.

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01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 7: Issue for people there are people that have have their

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01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 7: own lawsuits against the city that they're calling me about for,

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01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 7: you know, for my take on their efforts and things

1773
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:43,600
Speaker 7: like that. I've got a phone call today and I

1774
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 7: got a phone call tomorrow with some folks. So there's

1775
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 7: things going on and I just have to do what

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01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 7: I can really well.

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Speaker 1: And that leads me to ask you about the process

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01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 1: of your starting this five oh one C three entity

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01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 1: to do this type of work under the umbrella of

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01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: an of for profit company. The Cincinnati Oversight Project is

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01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: I believe that's what you've named it.

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01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 7: That's what I've named it, and the I want to

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01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 7: kind of model it after a Judicial Watch if you

1784
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,640
Speaker 7: if you're familiar with that organization, and you know, a

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01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,200
Speaker 7: lot of their work is getting records out of the

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01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 7: government that disclose what's really going on. So that's that's

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01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,600
Speaker 7: part of the effort. The other effort is to have

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01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 7: a platform to start talking to people about the value

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01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 7: or benefits of having an oversight organization within the government

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01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,519
Speaker 7: here in Cincinnati, like they do in a lot of

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Speaker 7: states and they do in a lot of municipalities.

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Speaker 1: That's what we have, Inspectors General, right.

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Speaker 7: That's correct, and you know that if you've seen one

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01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,840
Speaker 7: inspector general, you've seen one inspector general. They're all kind

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01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 7: of different. And so Cincinnati is in a position to

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01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 7: build their Inspector General operation from the you know, from

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01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 7: the get go, and improve the oversight of the city's operations,

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Speaker 7: including the city council operation and the and the mayor.

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Speaker 1: Well, why would they want to expose themselves to something

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Speaker 1: that their own internal Inspector General office would expose.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right, Brian. And that's why you don't have

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Speaker 7: them everywhere, because there's a lot of resistance to that

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01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 7: type of oversight even when they even when they established

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Speaker 7: those oversight offices. For example, I interviewed for a position

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Speaker 7: out West one time for a transit authority IG, and

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Speaker 7: I went into interview and their proposal gave the IG

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Speaker 7: no authority. No investigative authority was in the statute. And

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Speaker 7: I told them that that's not that's not going to

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Speaker 7: work out. Got my teeth, And so they selected a

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01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 7: woman who was friends with the governor, and she wound

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Speaker 7: up quitting over that issue. In a couple of years,

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Speaker 7: they got in she got into a dispute with the

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Speaker 7: board and they weren't cooperating with her, and she didn't

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Speaker 7: have any authority to press.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm guessing that you know, if you start the

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01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Oversight Project, you get your five oh one C

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01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:12,519
Speaker 1: three status, you're going to need some help. Is this

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01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: an invitation for people who are interested in doing the

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01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: type of work you're doing, to help you deal with

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Speaker 1: all these challenges, including all the items that you have

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Speaker 1: on your to do list.

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Speaker 7: Well, eventually the answer would be yes. And you know,

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Speaker 7: I haven't really decided whether it would be a five

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Speaker 7: oh one C three or five O one C four.

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Speaker 7: I'm inclined to maybe not do a five oh one

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Speaker 7: C three because the donors for the five oh one

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Speaker 7: C three are public and five oh one C four

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Speaker 7: donors are not public. And I'm thinking that people that

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Speaker 7: want to donate and get greater oversight of the city

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01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 7: may not want to have their name out front like that.

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Speaker 7: So I'm those are the kind of things I'm right,

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Speaker 7: I'm looking at.

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Speaker 1: Well, look at Signal ninety nine, and they did a

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Speaker 1: background check on her and she wasn't even living in

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Speaker 1: the greatest Cincinnati area at the time. Why do they

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01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: do that? Why do they rifle through her records while

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01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 1: she was an employee of this insant police department, because

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01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: she's made posts online and she annoyed our elected officials. Right, yeah,

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01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 1: you set yourself up with a crosshair. When you do,

1840
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 1: you know, open your mouth. And that's why we're proud

1841
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 1: of you and happy with what you're doing, because you'll

1842
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:22,440
Speaker 1: take the slings and errors from these clowns and you're

1843
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 1: identifying all the issues that will justify me calling them clowns.

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Speaker 1: How's that, Todd?

1845
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 7: That's fine.

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01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 1: Well, it.

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01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 7: Provides a more healthy government if you have outside or

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01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 7: independent people giving that third party view of what the

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Speaker 7: operations are doing.

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Speaker 1: Todd Endzer, keep up the great work. A very merry Christmas,

1851
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: Happy holidays across the board. Well wishes for you and

1852
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: your family. I know you and I'll be talking a

1853
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: lot throughout the next calendar year. You're always here, welcome

1854
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 1: here on the fifty five Carecen Morning Show to bring

1855
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: further to the public's attention the stuff you're doing each

1856
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: and every day. Follow Todd on Facebook, just look for

1857
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 1: Citizen Watchdog and regularly check up on his podcast because

1858
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 1: you will remain enlightened throughout the year. Todd, I don't

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01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: end for you, but I appreciate you. Thank you, Brian.

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01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 7: Merry Christmas to you and everybody out there.

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01:43:08,840 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: Thanks much. Seven fifty six fifty five cars to DETALX station.

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01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,000
Speaker 1: Got time to chime in if you feel like I

1863
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: feel free to call me five one, three eighth six

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01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 1: here fifty five KRC Detalk station. Happy Friday Eve coming up,

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01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: bottom of the hour. I gotta wait for it. iHeart

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01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: me the aviation next word, Jay Rattle. A whole bunch

1867
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: of topics talked about with Jay, which is always the case,

1868
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 1: and I thoroughly enjoy having him on the program. Jay,

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01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 1: looking forward to talking with you. Coming up in a

1870
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 1: half hour. I always enjoy talking with you as well.

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01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,759
Speaker 1: You can call. Phone lines are open five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 1: four nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two

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01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 1: to three Taco with pound five fifty on eighth and

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Speaker 1: t phones. Of course, A big story of the morning

1875
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 1: was this dismissal of that crazy case against Elwood Jones.

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01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,280
Speaker 1: Case wasn't crazy. The jury convicted to be on a

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01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:49,439
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. It's been through the appellate process all the

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01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 1: way through the state appellate process. Then his lawyers filed

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01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: motions in federal court seeking additional records that went through

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Speaker 1: the entire pellate court process and amazingly ended up landing

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01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: in Judge Wendy Cross is I think on remand I

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01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: really wish I knew that item, that element of it.

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01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 1: Because Judge Wendy Cross had a land back in her lap.

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01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 1: This is after thirty years. This man was convicted and

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01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: has been locked up for thirty years brutally beat a

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01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: woman to death. Her name Rondon Nathan. Happen in an

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01:44:17,400 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 1: apartment building. He in a I guess hotel. He had

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01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 1: a master key to the room, broke into the room

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01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: after he saw the other two occupants of the room

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01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 1: go to the restaurant and thought it was empty. Found

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Speaker 1: Rondon Nathan and they were wearing only a towel, beat

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Speaker 1: her to death. They had evidence about her having hepatitis,

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01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: and there was a testimony that was advanced by the

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Speaker 1: defense attorney from the defense attorney's expert for Elwa Jones,

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01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 1: saying only a thirty three percent chance that Jones would

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Speaker 1: have contracted hepatitis B from beating Rond and Nathan to death. Now,

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01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 1: the Judge Wendy Cross said that that was exculpatory evidence.

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01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 1: In other words, he was essentially found not guilty because

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01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 1: there's no way because he didn't contract hepatitis, than therefore

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01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 1: he couldn't have been the one to beat her. But no,

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Speaker 1: that's not anything like what the defense expert said. He

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01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,719
Speaker 1: had a one in three chance of contracting it. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is not exculpatory. It is something for a jury

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Speaker 1: to consider. And there was other evidence too. They claimed

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01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,960
Speaker 1: that records were withheld, but the records were out there,

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01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: and that element was reviewed by federal courts as well.

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Speaker 1: All of the evidence that they allegedly withheld had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do. There was nothing in there that was exculpatory.

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Speaker 1: And of course Supreme Court Justice Joe Dieters was prosecuted

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Speaker 1: at the time, and he wrote a scathing letter to

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Speaker 1: Connie Pillage for dismissing the case after Wendy Cross said

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Speaker 1: he was entitled to a new trial. He'd asked for

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01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 1: that previously. So confusing how it landed up in front

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Speaker 1: of her. But even more baffling and confusing is why

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Speaker 1: Connie Pillage dropped that after all these successful prosecutions and

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01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,560
Speaker 1: successful appeals, nothing's changed except she came out yesterday and

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Speaker 1: basically lied about the evidence that actually was presented, I

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Speaker 1: mean lies called out as such by our friends Signal

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Speaker 1: ninety nine out there former police officer summarizing the information.

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Speaker 1: But Joe Dieter's letter dated December seventeenth to Connie Pillage

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Speaker 1: walks through all of the evidence and he's in sensed

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Speaker 1: that this man was dismissed. That is, he is now

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Speaker 1: walking out on the streets and is not subject to

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Speaker 1: prosecution anymore. So the crazy thing is, why, after all

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Speaker 1: this time, why is Edward Jones out on the street?

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Speaker 1: What drew this to Connie Pillag's attention as a case

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Speaker 1: that needs to be dismissed rather than retrying them based

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Speaker 1: on the same information, an exercise that shouldn't have had

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Speaker 1: to happen in the first place. I don't know. Demonstration

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Speaker 1: of Well again, we go back to nefarious or stupid.

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Speaker 1: Some are drawing a conclusion that perhaps it's an illustration

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Speaker 1: of both. Anyway, Tomorrow is Tech Friday. Go ahead, sweat bullets, folks.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure and are clear what the benefits

1934
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Speaker 1: of membership are. But Shiny Hunters described as a notorious

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Speaker 1: hacking group. Maybe Dave Dave Hatter will talk about this

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Speaker 1: one to Mark, because there's two components of this. First off,

1937
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Speaker 1: the fact that Shiny Hunters, the notorious hacking group, well

1938
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Speaker 1: cracked into porn Hub, apparently a very popular pornography site

1939
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Speaker 1: based upon the numbers that they say, I show up

1940
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Speaker 1: at porn Pornhub every day a lot, one hundred million

1941
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Speaker 1: annually or something along those lines. Anyway, they cracked into it.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a member of Pornhub, apparently the Shiny

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Speaker 1: Hunters hacking group has your information and they are extorting

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Speaker 1: demanding money from Pornhub or they going to release all

1945
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Speaker 1: this information. Actually the group talk to Reuters. I find

1946
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Speaker 1: that particularly baffling. Anyway. I guess they have a company

1947
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Speaker 1: or a notorious hacking group spokesperson. Anyway, they Shiny Hunter

1948
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Speaker 1: speaking with Reuters were demanding a ransom payment in Bitcoin

1949
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Speaker 1: to prevent the publication of pornhub data and dete delete

1950
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Speaker 1: the data. They'll they'll delete what they stole if they

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Speaker 1: get their ransom money.

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Speaker 8: One.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's that figure. I was thinking about one hundred

1954
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Speaker 1: million daily visits to this one site annually. Thirty six

1955
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Speaker 1: billion people at least log into the site or not

1956
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Speaker 1: log in or at least show up at pornhub dot com.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's a thirty six billion and they're you know,

1958
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Speaker 1: let me just emphasize, I'm sure you know it as

1959
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 1: well as I do. Pornhub not the only porn site

1960
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Speaker 1: on the internet. Popular subject that is, which allows me

1961
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Speaker 1: to pivot over. So anyway, there's that extortion element going on,

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Speaker 1: and no word for how much they're demanding some of

1963
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Speaker 1: the that the actually has end. They verified that the

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Speaker 1: information was indeed stolen having spoken with a couple of

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Speaker 1: the porn hub members, which means they paid a fee

1966
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Speaker 1: again access to additional material. Those are the folks that

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Speaker 1: have their data stolen. So if that's you and you

1968
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Speaker 1: signed up and paid a fee, you've been exposed or

1969
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Speaker 1: are subject to it. Now pivoting over to Indiana. Now,

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Speaker 1: they banned access to pornography for children under the age

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Speaker 1: of I guess eighteen, whatever the date is, there's a

1972
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Speaker 1: ban on that in state of Indiana, one of many

1973
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Speaker 1: states who've been trying to prevent children from getting access

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Speaker 1: to porn. A noble goal, I will admit, but you

1975
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Speaker 1: run into that pesky First Amendment freedom of speech, free exercise,

1976
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Speaker 1: right to speak freely, and of course constitutional right to

1977
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Speaker 1: view porn I suppose, but anyway, set up Bill seventeen.

1978
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Speaker 1: Last year, Indiana State Center Bill seventeen mandated that websites

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Speaker 1: featuring material harmful to minors have to verify the visitors

1980
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Speaker 1: are eighteen or a bob. So how do you deal

1981
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Speaker 1: with that? Well, rather than checking IDs, the parent company

1982
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Speaker 1: of pornhub, a company called a low aylo whether it

1983
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Speaker 1: matters or not there it is responded saying fine, in

1984
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Speaker 1: order to comply with CENTATEBIL seventeen, We're just going to

1985
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Speaker 1: pull the plug on Indiana folks accessing the site. So

1986
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Speaker 1: if your IP address reflects that you're an Indiana resident,

1987
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Speaker 1: you're not going to get in. Period twenty one years old,

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Speaker 1: thirty five years old, ninety eight or under the age

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Speaker 1: of eighteen, you're not getting in. It's an easy, quick solution.

1990
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Speaker 1: But is it a solution? State of Indiana saying no,

1991
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Speaker 1: that isn't good enough. Why Because virtual private networks VPN.

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Speaker 1: We talk about these with Dave Hatter all the time.

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Speaker 1: If you want to appear as though your computer is

1994
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Speaker 1: living or resting in a different region of the world,

1995
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Speaker 1: you work through a VPN. You can say I'm in Chicago,

1996
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Speaker 1: or I'm in Poughkeepsie, Iowa. There's my friends at Poughkeepsie again,

1997
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Speaker 1: or maybe I'm in Belgium or Australia. That's the IP

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Speaker 1: address that the site sees. And so in the case

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Speaker 1: of Indiana, the site sees that you are not in

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Speaker 1: the state of India, so to allow you access to

2001
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Speaker 1: the site. Now, Indiana is now suing this company ALO

2002
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Speaker 1: and others, I suppose because they don't assess the risk

2003
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Speaker 1: posed by virtual private networks. In a section of the

2004
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Speaker 1: sue detailing how ILO allegedly violated the age tech law,

2005
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Speaker 1: Indiana notes that last July, and investigator employed by the

2006
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Speaker 1: Ohio office and the Indiana or India or the Ohio

2007
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the Office of Indiana Attorney General access pornhub

2008
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Speaker 1: dot Com from Indiana using a VPN with the Chicago,

2009
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Speaker 1: Illinois IP address. They see that this person's from Chicago.

2010
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Speaker 1: It appears access is granted. Now the state argues that

2011
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Speaker 1: because some Indiana residents could use a VPN to get

2012
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Speaker 1: around location based blocks, that they are therefore insufficient to

2013
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Speaker 1: comply with Indiana's age verification law. So they're imposing in

2014
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Speaker 1: an extra layer of obligation on these companies out there

2015
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Speaker 1: to see if your IP address is in fact from

2016
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Speaker 1: a VPN. Now this is again piece of god territory.

2017
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Speaker 1: I don't know how any given entity out there offering

2018
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Speaker 1: online content could know whether or not that IP address

2019
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Speaker 1: is affiliated with the VPN or is actually a real

2020
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Speaker 1: human being. I guess they have lists out there that

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Speaker 1: say that. But you can see the awful slippery slope

2022
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Speaker 1: this might offer states trying to require social media platforms,

2023
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:41,040
Speaker 1: app stores, and other web services to verify users, ages

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Speaker 1: that could be used to justify sanctioning all types of

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Speaker 1: applications and services for fill into VPNs and other anonymity

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Speaker 1: aiding tools. One of the problems bad for folks in

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Speaker 1: countries or situations where free speech and online could be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: You got this really onerous European Union laws. If they

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Speaker 1: implemented something like this, they have no free speech in

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Speaker 1: a lot of the world right And if their countries

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Speaker 1: want to say, hmm, these pesky VPNs are allowing our citizens,

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Speaker 1: deprived as they are, of information about what's going on

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Speaker 1: in the world, They're allowing them to get the information

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Speaker 1: about what's really going on in the world. They're bucking

2035
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Speaker 1: our propaganda agenda. They're seeing through it and around it

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Speaker 1: because they've got websites that are located elsewhere in the world,

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Speaker 1: with reporters actually looking into what we're doing in our

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Speaker 1: country to our citizens. We can't have that. Let's pass

2039
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Speaker 1: the law saying that Internet companies must prevent VPNs from

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Speaker 1: being used. That would be the end of anonymity. That'd

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01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:43,479
Speaker 1: be the end of people gaining access to I would

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Speaker 1: argue very important information. And also, of course accessing porn

2043
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Speaker 1: maybe not important information, maybe yes, posing a health to

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Speaker 1: a health risk and a cognitive risk to our young people.

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Speaker 1: But what's more important here And if Indiana is going

2046
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 1: to do it, and if they're successful on this, just

2047
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 1: wait for it, because it's coming to a theater near

2048
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 1: you eight seventeen. Right now, we'll see if I can't

2049
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Speaker 1: get data to talk about VPNs and that situation tomorrow

2050
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Speaker 1: at fifty five KRC Morning Show every Friday at six

2051
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Speaker 1: point thirty. I'll be right back after these brief words

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Speaker 1: fifty five KRC dot com.

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Speaker 7: You addition.

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Speaker 1: Eight twenty one here fifty five KRC Detalk Station fridaye

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Speaker 1: going into the bottom of the hour with iHeartMedia aviation

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Speaker 1: expert Jay rattlif fifty five krs dot com get your

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Speaker 1: iHeart Media app. I don't think there's any age verification

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Speaker 1: request on the IHEARTMEDIAPP. You can't access it. Fifty five

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Speaker 1: cars dot com if you're using a VPN too. Oh,

2060
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: and further to tech information, I saw this just the

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Speaker 1: other day, several days ago, Petco. I don't know if

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01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: you've ever online ordered pet food or supplies or anything

2063
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 1: like that from the company called pet Petco. They had

2064
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Speaker 1: a data breach and they revealed it the apparently, at

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Speaker 1: least in color if you have a breach involving at

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Speaker 1: least five hundred state residents, you got to tell everybody

2067
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Speaker 1: about the breach. And yes, they did tell everybody about

2068
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Speaker 1: the breach. If you didn't get a letter from Pepco,

2069
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Speaker 1: apparently your information has not been stolen. But I found

2070
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Speaker 1: it rather troubling what they say was stolen. Corner reports

2071
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Speaker 1: file with the Texas Terney General's Office.

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Speaker 3: Name.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, social security number, driver's license number, financial

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Speaker 1: account details, credit card numbers, and dates of birth. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever had to provide your Social Security number when

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Speaker 1: ordering items online? I never, And my reaction to that

2077
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Speaker 1: was wait a second. I would never provide any one

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Speaker 1: of these companies with my social security information online. Why

2079
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Speaker 1: because the data could be breached. That's one of the

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Speaker 1: most important pieces of information you got out there. So

2081
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:57,480
Speaker 1: just FYI on that.

2082
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Speaker 6: But I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know that I would go down a road where

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Speaker 1: a company's asking for that, I would never provide it

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Speaker 1: to them. I think, you know, maybe go to one

2086
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:08,560
Speaker 1: of the competitors like Chewy, or go down to your

2087
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 1: local pet food store and get the pet food there.

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Speaker 1: H And one more little item I wanted to get to.

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Speaker 1: You know how I always go on a tear on

2090
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Speaker 1: the global warming challenges we face. Oh my god, bro,

2091
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna die at carbon dioxide. This is the kind

2092
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Speaker 1: of thing that really irks me from an attorney perspective,

2093
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Speaker 1: just from a logic and common sense perspective. The Philippines

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Speaker 1: and more than one hundred Filipino residents are suing Shell

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Speaker 1: Oil Company, claiming that its historical contribution to climate change

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Speaker 1: from fossil fuel production was a significant factor in causing

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Speaker 1: a typhoon that battered the country. This is four years ago,

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Speaker 1: December twenty twenty one, caused the death of four hundred

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Speaker 1: people nearly a billion dollars in damage. That storm did

2100
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 1: that one storm, So shells responsible for that? Have there

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Speaker 1: been any other typhoons out there in any Yeah, uh huh,

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Speaker 1: over time, over history, you can see the record of

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Speaker 1: all the typhoons that have had an impact on the Philippines.

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Speaker 1: The group bringing the case against Shell in London, that's

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Speaker 1: where Shell's headquartered, parenthetically, but it will be applying Filipino

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Speaker 1: law trying to recoup the losses from property damage, personal injury, breathing,

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Speaker 1: and psychological trauma, arguing Shell is known for decades of

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Speaker 1: burning fossil fuels, contributes to climate change. Okay, information that's

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Speaker 1: been peddled around for years and years. That's how these

2110
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Speaker 1: religion got incorporated into our young people's curriculums at elementary school. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're learning about climate change. It's all man made. Quit breathing.

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Speaker 1: So if you know it and I know it, and

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Speaker 1: we've been hearing about this for the last twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Remember coming back to al Gore, We're all going to

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Speaker 1: die by counter of year twenty ten or whatever. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. So Shell also presumably knew all this,

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Speaker 1: But they made an interesting point. The spokesperson came out

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Speaker 1: in response to this litigation, this suggestion that you know,

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Speaker 1: Shell one of how many oil producing companies. The suggestion

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Speaker 1: that Shell has unique knowledge about climate change is simply

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01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: not true. The issue is how to tackle it. It

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Speaker 1: has been part of our public discussion in scientific scientific

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Speaker 1: research for many decades. Here's the point I wanted to

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Speaker 1: bring up. This claim also overlooks the benefits energy brings

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Speaker 1: and the decades of choices made by governments, businesses, and

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Speaker 1: consumers that have shaped our energy system. You bought the

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Speaker 1: products plastics, notably, governments bought the oil and the gas

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Speaker 1: to run government, run their own entities, run the American military.

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Speaker 1: This is what the technology allowed for. Everybody embraced it

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Speaker 1: and used it regularly. Along comes the argument that these

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Speaker 1: pollutants and these problems are coming from the burning of

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Speaker 1: fossil fuels. You can't get rid of them. They allow

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Speaker 1: society operate. Now, contemplate how many tens of millions of

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Speaker 1: people would have died had we immediately eliminated fossil fuels

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Speaker 1: from the environment. Do you think that typhoon would have

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Speaker 1: not happened? We can all just speculate on that. Is

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Speaker 1: Shell responsible for a typhoon, when millions and millions and

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Speaker 1: millions of people around this globe ord final fossil fuels

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Speaker 1: from a variety of different sources every single day. No

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Speaker 1: shell can't be alone blamed for this. They just have

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Speaker 1: a deep pocket that you can sue. But when you

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Speaker 1: face inflation, and you face the problems that manufacturing is

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01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 1: having in Germany and even here, when you face rolling

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Speaker 1: brownouts or blackouts because the windmills aren't spinning and the

2145
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 1: sun's not shining, we automatically and reliably turn to fossil

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01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:40,520
Speaker 1: fuels for our own benefits. And if you take them

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01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 1: out of the equation, a lot more people are going

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Speaker 1: to die than that alleged increase in the sea level

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Speaker 1: or the folks that passed and perished sadly so in

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Speaker 1: a typhoon. A twenty six fifty five kc DE talk

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Speaker 1: station Jay Rattler, Thank God for JA He'll be on

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Speaker 1: next Don't Go Away fifty five KRC. The iHeartMedia Aviation

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Speaker 1: Extra Jay Ratler for joining the program every Thursday at

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Speaker 1: this time to talk aviation issues. Welcome back, my friend,

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Speaker 1: a real pleasure.

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Speaker 8: May pleasant good morning to you, and an early merry

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Speaker 8: Christmas to you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right back at you. This will be our last

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Speaker 1: discussion before the end of the year, since I'm off

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Speaker 1: after the twenty third until the fifth, So we'll hit

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Speaker 1: the ground running in January, and I'm certainly looking forward

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Speaker 1: to that. Already perfect timing. Issue number one, now, the

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Speaker 1: United States admitted liability in the January Army helicopter crash

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Speaker 1: that killed sixty seven people. Helicopter flying right in front

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Speaker 1: of a runway and a plane ran into it. Bad. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: as I understand the way this happened. So the plane

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Speaker 1: or the helicopter flying in this crowded airspace was not

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Speaker 1: using the Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast technology called ADSB, which

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Speaker 1: transmits the location of the aircraft. The system wasn't on

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Speaker 1: because they had a waiver exempting those military helicopters from

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02:00:58,720 --> 02:01:03,160
Speaker 1: broadcasting where they were. After that, the FAA required all

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Speaker 1: aircraft in that airspace to use the ADSB technology. Yesterday

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Speaker 1: they passed the nine hundred and one billion dollar National

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Speaker 1: Defense Authorization Act, which removed that obligation.

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Speaker 8: Unreal, unreal, it is mind boggling. In fact, it was

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Speaker 8: so egregious that the chair of the National Transportation Safety

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Speaker 8: board actually, and something that's never really happened before was

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Speaker 8: commenting on that bill as it was moving towards approval,

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Speaker 8: saying that to take a step back is ridiculous and rare,

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Speaker 8: is it. Do you have anyone connected with the NTSB

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Speaker 8: that's active that will come out and make that kind

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Speaker 8: of a comment. But that was exactly the case, and

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Speaker 8: why we are okay and taking a step back still

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Speaker 8: confuses me. I don't have anyone yet that's been able

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Speaker 8: to say why that's an.

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Speaker 1: Okay thing to do.

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Speaker 8: And it's another indication of many brian where it's real

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Speaker 8: easy to say safe, he's their number one priority. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: blah blah blah, prove it. And when you do things

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Speaker 8: like this, it's just you scratch your head thinking these

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Speaker 8: are supposed to be intelligent people. We're trying to honor

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Speaker 8: the lives of the sixty seven people that were lost

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Speaker 8: in January. Why are we not making things safer instead

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Speaker 8: of saying, well, that was bad, but you know, we're

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Speaker 8: going to make things actually worse than they were. And

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Speaker 8: you know, one of the things that investigation really bore

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Speaker 8: out in January as we move forward was just how

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Speaker 8: many other near misissues and things that we'd had in

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Speaker 8: that airspace over the years, and the fact that you

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Speaker 8: had so many of these helicopters and other military aircraft

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Speaker 8: that were actively crossing the arrival departure runways of so

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Speaker 8: many different aircraft, and we had several times where crews

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Speaker 8: had to divert their landing and go around and come

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Speaker 8: back to another runway. It was such a common occurrence.

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Speaker 8: It was pretty much a red flag that said this

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Speaker 8: is an issue, and we are in essence on borrowed

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Speaker 8: time here before something horrific happens. And the situation in January,

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Speaker 8: there was just a whole number of events that contributed

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Speaker 8: to it that you sadly again cost sixty seven lives

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Speaker 8: and we don't make things safer. Shame on us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really, And you one of the weird facts about

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Speaker 1: this and reading the reporting on it, apparently members of Congress,

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Speaker 1: House and Senate use those helicopters to get to the

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Speaker 1: airport real quick when they want to go home for

2215
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Speaker 1: Christmas time soccer, and so I know that, and see

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Speaker 1: that's the first reaction like, oh, they just want to

2217
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:37,080
Speaker 1: make this so easy for themselves, but that just puts

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Speaker 1: their lives in more jeopardy because if they're the ones

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Speaker 1: that are using these helicopters more frequently, and I assume

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Speaker 1: they are than anybody else on the planet, with the

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Speaker 1: exception of the military personnel flying them, they just put

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Speaker 1: themselves in greater risks of getting knocked out of the

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Speaker 1: air by an airplane.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And it's again just another one of those situations

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Speaker 8: that just it baffles logic and common sense when you're

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Speaker 8: talking about it. But then we're back to managing the

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Speaker 8: perception of security more than we are actually security itself.

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Speaker 8: And it's happened too many times, and I've seen it

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Speaker 8: happen more times than I can count over the last

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Speaker 8: four decades, and it's just it's frustrating. I mean, I've

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Speaker 8: walked out of meetings with the Federal Aviation Administration over

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Speaker 8: just that you know, we're having a meeting for the

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Speaker 8: sake of a meeting talking about things we talked about

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Speaker 8: a year ago. There's nothing getting done. So this is

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Speaker 8: a waste of time, goodbye. And because it just it

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Speaker 8: just I don't know. And when you talk about the

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Speaker 8: number of people that are behind creating a bill, passing

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Speaker 8: a bill, saying that the bill is okay, it makes

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Speaker 8: me want to point a finger at every single person involved.

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Speaker 8: We're not one single person that I'm aware of raised

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Speaker 8: their hand prior to the National Transportation Safety Board chief

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Speaker 8: chair and say wait a minute, this is this is wrong.

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Speaker 8: We've got to address this now, and I'm hoping that

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Speaker 8: something can be done. Where as the outrage obviously grows

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Speaker 8: that the Washington d C we have individ jewels that

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Speaker 8: are actually going to fix this unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Well. I don't wish ill will on anybody, but maybe

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Speaker 1: if a member of Congress or maybe one of our

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Speaker 1: senators is on one of those helicopters and they are

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Speaker 1: involved in a mid air collision, but perhaps they'll change

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Speaker 1: their mind. Jam Rattelift, I didn't know. I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: There are parking tickets for parking and airplane if you

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Speaker 1: forget about it, that and more, we got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of topics to try to run through with Jay just

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Speaker 1: stick around me right.

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Speaker 7: Back fifty five KRC No One celebrates that the cockpit

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Speaker 7: before it.

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Speaker 1: Jay Rye Left has a thirty nine If you have

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Speaker 1: KCD Talks edition, Jay real quick here on Mark's point,

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Speaker 1: he says, what about covert operations? If you got this

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Speaker 1: ADSB hardware going alerting the people to where the the

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Speaker 1: helicopters flying. Well, My responsible was, well, fine, COVID operations

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Speaker 1: may be a reason not to want to use that,

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Speaker 1: but that means that the covert operation may not be

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Speaker 1: completed because they got blown up during a plane collision

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Speaker 1: with a plane is the best path that the best

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Speaker 1: path to success may not involve the most direct flight

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Speaker 1: path was my follow up point. Right.

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Speaker 8: And of course you want to make it the training

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02:06:06,440 --> 02:06:09,760
Speaker 8: you plays, your practice and practice as you play, so

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Speaker 8: you're gonna do everything you can to try to make

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Speaker 8: it as it would be during an actual exercise, if

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Speaker 8: it was for real. The problem is when you're conducting

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Speaker 8: that in amid a crowded airspace with a lot of

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Speaker 8: commercial flight activity, you are increasing the risk. Yeah, and

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Speaker 8: you know that to me is what's either acceptable or unacceptable.

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Speaker 8: And I'm always going to air on the side of

2278
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Speaker 8: caution and say, if safety is the number one priority,

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Speaker 8: you know there needs to be some adjustments to prevent

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Speaker 8: a disaster from taking place. And we've had one, so

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Speaker 8: we've obviously seen the results. We've got to pivot from

2282
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:46,320
Speaker 8: that direction or it's going to happen again.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Air India one hundred and twenty thousand dollars parking tab.

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, yeah, it's that for some reason, Air India

2285
02:06:56,440 --> 02:06:58,760
Speaker 8: needed to park one of their seven thirty sevens at

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Speaker 8: another airport, Kolkatta, and it's airport in India and it's

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Speaker 8: you know, perhaps they had maintenance scheduled for the aircraft

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Speaker 8: and it was parked on a remote part of the

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Speaker 8: of the airport grounds there. But shortly thereafter Air India

2290
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Speaker 8: had changes in their staffing and management team and apparently

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Speaker 8: somebody forgot it was there. Okay, So eventually the airport

2292
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Speaker 8: contacts Air India think, you know, how much longer is

2293
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Speaker 8: this airplane of year is going to be here? And

2294
02:07:27,560 --> 02:07:32,280
Speaker 8: initially Air India said that's not ours and of course yeah,

2295
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,920
Speaker 8: they got in essence the ven number if you will,

2296
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Speaker 8: and said, hey, do you not still own this and

2297
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:39,480
Speaker 8: they said, oh gosh, yeah we do and they said

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Speaker 8: that's fine because the parking is so much and since

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Speaker 8: it's been here since twenty and twelve, the fee is

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Speaker 8: going to be one hundred and twenty thousand dollars in

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Speaker 8: Air India paid it and they're removing the aircraft by

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Speaker 8: ground they're going to make it part of their training

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Speaker 8: facility as far as that type of aircraft because it's

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Speaker 8: no longer fit to fly because of all the work

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Speaker 8: that has to be.

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Speaker 1: Done to it.

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Speaker 8: But you know, you go through airport parking lot and

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Speaker 8: we encountered this a lot at the airports that I

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Speaker 8: was connected with, and you would have cars that would

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Speaker 8: be parked in the parking lot for years, in long term,

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Speaker 8: even short term, and in some instances, you know, you'd

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Speaker 8: have to have the cars removed toad try to contact

2313
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Speaker 8: the owner. Sometimes it was an individual passed away, individuals

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02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:27,640
Speaker 8: were running away.

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Speaker 1: Have malfunctioning autokay, or it would have been.

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Speaker 8: Somebody that was involved in you know, some sort of

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Speaker 8: legal illegal operation, or it was just a stolen car.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, it's amazing when you have that type of

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Speaker 8: thing where you've got a large number of these but

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Speaker 8: you know, one car kind of blends in with the

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Speaker 8: rest of them in the parking lot. One aircraft kind

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Speaker 8: of sitting there day after day after day, week after week,

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Speaker 8: month after month, and yes, year after year. I love

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Speaker 8: it kind of stand out, I.

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Speaker 1: Would think, so, I would think, But you know, Air

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Speaker 1: India not even losing track of a multi million dollar

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Speaker 1: aircraft and denying it even owned it. That seems rather

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Speaker 1: peculiar to me, But then again, I don't run airlines, so.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's easier to say it's not ours than to

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Speaker 8: admit craft we forgot about it for thirteen years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. True, rumors still swirling about Spirit Airlines being on

2332
02:09:12,920 --> 02:09:17,160
Speaker 1: the brink of collapse. What happened to that Frontier thing?

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Speaker 8: Well last year, Well, you know, Frontier and Spirit we're

2334
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:22,880
Speaker 8: going to merge years ago, and Jet Blue came in

2335
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:24,960
Speaker 8: kind of pushed him out of the way and we

2336
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Speaker 8: had all that go through where eventually then the Spirit

2337
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Speaker 8: jet Blue merger didn't come through. In this last weekend,

2338
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Speaker 8: you had individuals saying that Spirit Airlines was on the

2339
02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:37,600
Speaker 8: brink of shutting down, they weren't even going to get

2340
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Speaker 8: through last weekend. Spirit executives quickly commit and said, look,

2341
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Speaker 8: we've got some cash to keep us moving. They're in

2342
02:09:43,240 --> 02:09:46,640
Speaker 8: the Chapter eleven bankruptcy process, the second time they filed

2343
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:49,680
Speaker 8: in less than a year. And obviously there's concerns, certainly

2344
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:52,600
Speaker 8: for passengers that are coming up on vacations over the

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Speaker 8: next two and a half weeks. But right now we're

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Speaker 8: also hearing that there's a kind of rekindled conversation that

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Speaker 8: have started again between Frontier and Spirit about a possible merger.

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Speaker 8: Now I'm glad this is going to happen. You and

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Speaker 8: I've talked about it before. How I really liked that

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Speaker 8: initial merger between the two low cost carriers of Spirit

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Speaker 8: and Frontier because their route maps compliment each other so well.

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Speaker 8: When you overlapped them, there was very few cities that

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Speaker 8: were overlapped, meaning those two airlines you would have a

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Speaker 8: less reduction of service into airports, a fewer jobs cut,

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Speaker 8: not the case with Jet Blue and Frontier. That or

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Speaker 8: Spirit that had so many overlapping markets, which is one

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Speaker 8: of the reasons it was not allowed to move forward.

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Speaker 8: So low cost carriers, Brian and I have talked about

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Speaker 8: so many times before keep the average low fare down.

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Speaker 8: So we love low cost carriers. I certainly want to

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Speaker 8: make sure Spirit continues flying, and I would love to

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Speaker 8: see the merger with Frontier because I think that would

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Speaker 8: make them a much stronger carrier. It would keep them around,

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Speaker 8: and it would have more low cost carrier seats in

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Speaker 8: the marketplace, which is obviously what we want to see happen.

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Speaker 1: And then and real quick because we have quite a

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Speaker 1: few topics to get to. We won't get to all

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Speaker 1: of them real quick since it evolves. Jet Blue dodged

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Speaker 1: a mid air collision with the US military refueling tanker.

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Speaker 1: Briefing on that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, coming out of carousel the Caribbean Airline near Venezuela.

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Speaker 8: They're climbing and all of a sudden, there's a US

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Speaker 8: Air Force aircraft five thousand feet in front of them,

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Speaker 8: same flight path, and they didn't know it was there.

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Speaker 8: If they had to take evasive action, it was classified

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Speaker 8: as possible a mid air situation. From a collision standpoint,

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Speaker 8: we had five thousand feet separation. Bottom line was that

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Speaker 8: there was a minimum there was no there's a breakdown

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Speaker 8: in communication from the Air Force to the Federal Aviation Administration.

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Speaker 8: They couldn't notify the crews because they weren't aware of

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Speaker 8: it was there at the time. And you know, luckily

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Speaker 8: they didn't get super close. Jet Blue crew did what

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Speaker 8: they were trained to do, and we can learn from this,

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Speaker 8: so hopefully things can be made safer as we move forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of like we were supposed to learn from

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Speaker 1: the helicopter plane collision. We just got done talk about it.

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Speaker 8: But pilots have also been notified in that area. If

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Speaker 8: you're flying anywhere around Venezuela a lot of activity, be

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Speaker 8: on guard because there are military aircraft from all different

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Speaker 8: kinds that are flying and you may not be aware

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Speaker 8: of the fact that they're there until you see them.

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Speaker 1: Great point more with iHeart Media aviation expert Jay ratleft

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Speaker 1: right after these brief words.

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Speaker 4: Fifty five KRC fifty five KRC they talk station.

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Speaker 1: Ay forty eight fifty five KRCD talk station. Very very

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Speaker 1: happy Friday or Friday Eve to you, love heaving. I

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Speaker 1: heard media aviation expert ja let Rat left on the

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Speaker 1: program program every Friday Eve. And of course you're going

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Speaker 1: to indulge me here for just a moment. It is

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Speaker 1: the Christmas season. You already risk me. Merry Christmas. I

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Speaker 1: wish you merry Christmas. I hope you enjoy the holiday

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Speaker 1: spirit and just have a just a really heartwarming message

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Speaker 1: to pass along. Brian Ibold from the Help Squad Jay.

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Speaker 1: If you're not familiar, they help out westsiders and need

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Speaker 1: Christian Faith collaborative. You give the money. You give money

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02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:56,440
Speaker 1: to them and they make sure the right people get it.

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Speaker 1: Every dollar you give to the Help Squad is a

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Speaker 1: dollar in benefits to someone truly in need. Brian Ibold

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Speaker 1: for since a police officer started the whole thing. He

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02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,720
Speaker 1: was on the program not that long ago, got a

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Speaker 1: text from him this morning. I received this letter along

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Speaker 1: with one thousand dollars a check for one thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: because this woman, her name is Shannon, was on my program.

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Speaker 1: He said thank you for the continued support. So that

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Speaker 1: really warmed my heart. In a shout out to Shannon

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Speaker 1: who or it's either Shannon or Sharon. It's cursive and

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Speaker 1: it's I can't read the writing very well, but she

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Speaker 1: did say she heard about the Help Squad on my program.

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Speaker 1: She was thanking him for helping people who otherwise would

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Speaker 1: not get any help. And the thousand dollars contribution, So

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Speaker 1: thank you Brian for passing along the information and to

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Speaker 1: that listener who made the contribution. That kind of thing

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Speaker 1: just warms my heart.

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Speaker 3: Jay.

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Speaker 1: It's just such a wonderful position to be in where

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Speaker 1: I can spread the information about these great charities out

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Speaker 1: there and how people can get in touch with them

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Speaker 1: and help out. It's just great.

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Speaker 8: Is that link on your website or it's.

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Speaker 1: The help Squad sincey withthey dot com. It's been up

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Speaker 1: many times over the year. It is not currently there

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Speaker 1: because this I just literally got the message from Brian

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Speaker 1: as we're on the brain, I.

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Speaker 8: Will add to that.

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Speaker 7: Oh wow.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, the nice thing, Brian is that it's

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Speaker 8: this time of year where, you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 8: of crazy things going on with all the activities that

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Speaker 8: were over committed to do, but it's also a time

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Speaker 8: that a lot of us just kind of take stock

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Speaker 8: in the fact of just how blessed we are. And

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Speaker 8: sometimes it's this or that doing things. And I remember

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02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:27,640
Speaker 8: when I met Sherry nineteen years ago. We were dating,

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02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:29,160
Speaker 8: and one of the things she was doing with her

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02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:31,880
Speaker 8: young young sons at the time was when they would

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Speaker 8: get a Christmas present a toy, they would take an

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Speaker 8: old toy and donate it to someone else. That way,

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Speaker 8: when they got something, they were giving something, And it

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Speaker 8: was just kind of a type of thing she was

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Speaker 8: trying to ingrain into them about being thankful for what

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Speaker 8: you have and then taking sometimes even a toy you like,

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02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:50,920
Speaker 8: and let's donate it to somebody that may not have one.

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Speaker 8: There you go, and there's just so many people, especially

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Speaker 8: in this audience because I hear from so many people

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Speaker 8: that have that mindset and they appreciate what they have

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Speaker 8: and look, life's temporary, so let's let's make the most

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Speaker 8: of it. Be thankful and and you know this idea

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02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 8: of just not not trying to help you fellow man.

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Speaker 8: You know, fortunately for a lot of us, that's that's

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Speaker 8: a foreign concept. We're gonna do what we can to help.

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Speaker 8: And I'm glad that you mentioned that that worthwhile organization, the.

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Speaker 1: Help Squad, since you with a why the help squadsincy

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Speaker 1: dot com. They are terrific of what they do, focusing

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Speaker 1: on an area that they found was desperately in need

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Speaker 1: for help. So salute all the help Squad folks. And

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Speaker 1: Brian Ibel, thanks again for that latest survey ranking the

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Speaker 1: most reliable and least reliable airports and airlines. Is CBG

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Speaker 1: on that list there anywhere? No, no, no, no, it's not.

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Speaker 8: But you know, one of the things that they looked

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Speaker 8: at was the on time performance. When they looked at

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Speaker 8: you know, how different airports do things as far as

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Speaker 8: you know which ones are the best or not. And

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Speaker 8: when we're coming into the airport the travel season with

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Speaker 8: the holidays, One of the things that people ask all

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Speaker 8: the time is Jay, what's the best airports to go through?

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Speaker 8: And when you look at you know idea as far

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Speaker 8: as Orlando being one of the airports, it has one

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Speaker 8: of the better on time performances that that's a key

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Speaker 8: one to go through a Delta airlines having the best

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Speaker 8: on time performance as far as their on time performance

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Speaker 8: is also something people look at when they're planning their trip,

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02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:21,760
Speaker 8: and that's important for a lot of people as they're

2483
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:25,879
Speaker 8: traveling or planning their upcoming trip is which airline airport

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Speaker 8: can I count on that I they can give me

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02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:31,680
Speaker 8: the best chance of being on time. And that's that's

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02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:34,080
Speaker 8: one of the reasons that these rankings come out all

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02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:36,800
Speaker 8: the time. When you're looking at you know which airports

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02:16:36,840 --> 02:16:39,520
Speaker 8: to avoid, which ones to not, and you know that's

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Speaker 8: why Delta is normally a number one key and you know,

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Speaker 8: even Detroit came in in the top of that list

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Speaker 8: as well, which was kind of surprising to me from

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Speaker 8: a hub standpoint. And then you know they had other

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Speaker 8: airports that were considered the worst. I thought airports like

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Speaker 8: Philadelphia Newark would be on the don't go there because

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Speaker 8: it's not going to be on it, but they were not.

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Speaker 8: So Yeah, but again, I'm always asked which airline is

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Speaker 8: my airline of choice, and Delta is mine not only

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Speaker 8: from the on time performance, but their completion factor is

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Speaker 8: higher than others, and that's why when you're traveling through

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Speaker 8: the holidays, it's you know, I like having that because

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Speaker 8: even if the flight's a little bit delayed, I know

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Speaker 8: that they're going to get the aircraft to its destination

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02:17:20,360 --> 02:17:22,760
Speaker 8: more often than not, and certainly more than others because

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Speaker 8: their completion factor is normally in the high eighty percent range,

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Speaker 8: and that's great when you're traveling, especially over the holidays.

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree with this statement because I've been

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Speaker 1: through a lot of meetings at work day when I

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02:17:34,480 --> 02:17:36,640
Speaker 1: used to work as an in house attorney at Anthem,

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Speaker 1: and of course a lot of meetings in my prior

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Speaker 1: day practicing law. Not as many, though the weekly meeting

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02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,240
Speaker 1: my wife gets. A weekly meeting gets two hours long.

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02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:46,440
Speaker 1: She uses that time to do her nails. Paul Oute,

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02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had to say that out loud, but

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02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:52,160
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of activity on the call that's

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02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:55,440
Speaker 1: really truly important to her area of work. Nonetheless, has

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02:17:55,440 --> 02:17:58,880
Speaker 1: an obligation to attend them. So what did Southwest Airline

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02:17:58,959 --> 02:18:02,039
Speaker 1: CEO mean when he said to his team meetings are

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Speaker 1: not work.

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Speaker 8: Well, a lot of people were saying, I'm busy, I'm

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Speaker 8: feeling good about what I'm doing because my schedule's full

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Speaker 8: doing these types of things. And Bob Jordan, the head

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Speaker 8: the CEO of Southwest said, wait a minute, meetings aren't

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Speaker 8: leadership meetings. Aren't us doing our work. We need to

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Speaker 8: be out there doing our job, not sitting around having

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Speaker 8: a bunch of especially one on one meetings. He said,

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Speaker 8: that's a waste of time. And he's trying to change

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Speaker 8: the focus of Southwest Airlines where you're trying to make

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02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:35,720
Speaker 8: sure that every single individual is doing the most that

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Speaker 8: they can each and every day to try to help

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Speaker 8: that airline advance, especially on the customer service side of things.

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Speaker 8: And he found that a lot of people in his

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Speaker 8: leadership team were busy in meetings instead of doing other

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Speaker 8: things that were far more practical. And I remember the

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Speaker 8: last supervisor I had at Northwest Airlines, he demanded a

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02:18:53,560 --> 02:18:57,680
Speaker 8: two hour conference call every Monday morning, excuse me, the

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Speaker 8: busiest day of the week. We could tell him what

2537
02:19:00,879 --> 02:19:03,440
Speaker 8: was going on and it was nuts. So you know,

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02:19:03,600 --> 02:19:08,280
Speaker 8: some people are so meeting you know, yes, sess And

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02:19:08,560 --> 02:19:10,840
Speaker 8: I heard somebody, somebody used to work for me come

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02:19:10,879 --> 02:19:12,800
Speaker 8: in and on my Facebook posts, he said, Jade. People

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02:19:12,840 --> 02:19:15,040
Speaker 8: that have those like to hear themselves talk. And I

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02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:19,240
Speaker 8: think that's probably the case, and it's the perception of

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02:19:19,879 --> 02:19:22,400
Speaker 8: being productive. That's what meetings are. Many times you don't

2544
02:19:22,400 --> 02:19:24,120
Speaker 8: need to have them. And I told you about the

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02:19:24,280 --> 02:19:26,199
Speaker 8: FA meeting I walked out of in the last segment.

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Speaker 8: We were talking about the same topics that we were

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02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:31,000
Speaker 8: a year before, and I walked out. I said, folks,

2548
02:19:31,440 --> 02:19:33,880
Speaker 8: no disrespect, but these are the same talking points we

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02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:36,080
Speaker 8: had a year ago. We've not done anything and it's

2550
02:19:36,120 --> 02:19:38,680
Speaker 8: a waste of my time and yours. And I let

2551
02:19:38,760 --> 02:19:40,800
Speaker 8: my boss wasn't too happy when he found out about it.

2552
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:43,520
Speaker 8: But you know, the bottom line is the idea of

2553
02:19:43,560 --> 02:19:45,520
Speaker 8: just having a meeting for meeting's sake, no. And it's

2554
02:19:45,600 --> 02:19:48,440
Speaker 8: kind of a corporate mindset where some of this is changing.

2555
02:19:48,480 --> 02:19:50,960
Speaker 8: You're seeing that corporations adopt the same thing, and I

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02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:53,000
Speaker 8: think that's a great thing to do and mind as we.

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Speaker 1: A conference call was on with attorneys from all over

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Speaker 1: the fifty states including Hawaii on a tobacco litigation call,

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Speaker 1: same rehashing stuff that had been over and over and

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Speaker 1: over and over again. I didn't realize my mute button

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Speaker 1: wasn't on, my speaker phone was on, and I said

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and the whole conference I just went silent.

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Speaker 8: Keep your stupid mouth shut.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my moment, one of the most embarrassing

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Speaker 1: moments I had. But everybody on the call, I assure you,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of that one attorney that prompted my

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, was very happy that I interjected along

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Speaker 1: those lines. Jay Ratliffe, real quick, hubblays. Any problems out

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Speaker 1: there today, real quick?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, a lot of rain unfortunately giving us issues in Chicago,

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Speaker 8: Detroit's gonna have problems, Atlanta, Charlotte, a lot of issues.

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Speaker 8: And if you're traveling over the next couple of weeks,

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Speaker 8: you've not blown in a while. TSA dot Gov great

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Speaker 8: sight to go to to make sure you're aware of

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Speaker 8: any changes that may have taken place since the last

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Speaker 8: time you flow.

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Speaker 1: You'll be back in January, Jay raytl if I trust,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to it already. God bless you

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Speaker 1: your beautiful wife's share. You have a wonderful Christmas and

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Speaker 1: if you're traveling, safe travels. Man appreciate you coming on

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Speaker 1: the show. It's a fifty six some of then e

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Speaker 1: fifty sevens. It is