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Speaker 2: t one o'clock. We go to our guy from Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman is joining us right now.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Joe, So let me thank you a picture of

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Speaker 3: how things are right now at pay Course Stadium. So

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Speaker 3: there I am, last evening. It's about six o'clock. I'm

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Speaker 3: running my own live shot. I'm doing a live shot

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Speaker 3: for the news, and I have the camera turned on myself,

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Speaker 3: and I don't really know what's going on behind me

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Speaker 3: because I'm one man banding this and I'm focused right

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Speaker 3: on the camera.

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Speaker 4: Ruh.

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Speaker 3: Until I noticed behind me, which would have been in

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Speaker 3: the shot if I didn't notice it, and would have

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Speaker 3: been on TV. A gentleman who's down on his luck

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Speaker 3: urinating on the stadium. Oh God, goodness, so I noticed

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Speaker 3: this about thirty seconds before my shot and turned.

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Speaker 5: The camera the other way and we made it out of.

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Speaker 3: Their Okay, but four things things are roughing out of

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Speaker 4: That guy might end up being a trendsetter if he'd

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Speaker 5: Baba booie.

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Speaker 2: The news of Logan Wilson uh not only him being traded,

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Speaker 2: but recouping a seventh round pick. Your reaction was what.

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Speaker 3: That it had to happen that Logan needed a fresh

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Speaker 3: start somewhere and the Bengals needed to move on without

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Speaker 3: him to clear the way for Demetrius Knight and Barrett

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Speaker 3: Carter to perhaps take a next step in what their

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Speaker 3: development is looking. Bengals are going all in on these

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Speaker 3: cornerstones of what they're trying to build defensively. And I

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Speaker 3: know it hasn't looked good so far, but they've invested

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Speaker 5: They've invested now this.

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Speaker 3: Season in these players and maybe the future of some

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Speaker 3: coaching jobs in these players. To make this kind of move.

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Speaker 3: They believe both of those players can be leaders. They

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Speaker 3: believe that's what this team needs. And this is clear

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Speaker 3: of the way for those guys to start that development.

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Speaker 3: It can be hard for a young guy when you

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Speaker 3: accomplished a lot here in Cincinnati, has been a part

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Speaker 3: now that he's out of there, they can kind of

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Speaker 3: maybe taking that next step of development. So it had

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Speaker 3: to happen. I didn't know what the Bengals would get

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Speaker 3: in return. It sounds about right, a seventh round pick

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Speaker 3: for what Logan Wilson has looked like this year. It's

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Speaker 3: not like it's a great situation for him, and going

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Speaker 3: same direction as the Bengals. But he can play, and

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Speaker 3: now he get on the field, he can play, and

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Speaker 3: this clears the way here for the Bengals to get

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Speaker 2: The conversation obviously then turns to Trey Hendrickson. The deadline

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Speaker 2: is now a couple hours away. Do you envision at

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Speaker 2: all Joe Trey Hendrickson potentially being on the move over

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Speaker 3: That's a really hard question to answer. I would sure

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Speaker 3: with intent, because you know, the reports have been at

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Speaker 3: the Bengals are asking for a really high price in

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Speaker 3: return for Trey Hendrickson. But if this season is lost,

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Speaker 3: and we understand there's still an avenue of a tag

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Speaker 3: and it's about acquiring assets to take as many swings

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Speaker 5: And they haven't hit.

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Speaker 3: Look how many swings they've taken with defensive draft picks

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Speaker 3: Discussions that they're having with intent to pull the trigger

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Speaker 3: It kind of felt like yesterday. What was a moment

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Speaker 3: I felt the need to get.

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Speaker 3: But obviously he couldn't answer many questions about what's going

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Speaker 3: But you see big names moving now right Sauce Gardner's

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Speaker 3: unloading big names, good players. If the Bengals have problems

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Speaker 3: right in the draft of using assets and using them

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Speaker 3: the right way, why not try to go for a

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Speaker 3: and then you can resupplement yourself from what draft picks

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Speaker 3: you gave up by trading Trey Hendrickson to someone else.

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Speaker 3: So Hopefully these are conversations that are happening because the

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Speaker 3: rest of the league is very active right now, and

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Speaker 3: it's not just seventh round picks and guys who are

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Speaker 3: There are good players on the move, and I think

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Speaker 3: the Bengals need to be active in a day like that.

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Speaker 2: Not to me is that it was the follow up.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily just have to be well, you're a

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Speaker 2: you move on and say, let's go get a known

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Speaker 2: that an avenue that maybe gets this team back again.

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Speaker 2: We never thought top ten defense could reworking the defense

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Speaker 3: You're looking for a jolt, right You're looking for a

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Speaker 3: jolt that changes this locker room. That happened when they

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Speaker 3: and the rest of the group rallied around that. You

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Speaker 3: got Joe Flacco. So why wouldn't it happen again if

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Speaker 5: And here's my biggest thing, guys, is.

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Speaker 3: This investment in change the Bengals have made on the

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Speaker 3: biggest issue I have with all of this change is

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Speaker 3: it's been nothing, And that's got to be the scariest

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Speaker 3: They've invested in so much change in the return on

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Speaker 5: Minimal to none.

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Speaker 3: So if you do bring in a known commodity, that

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Speaker 5: If you bring in a.

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Speaker 3: Known commodity on defense, not only are you changing the

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Speaker 4: There has never been that I can remember, this much

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Speaker 3: I think it with this organization, everything is I'll believe

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Speaker 3: everybody who's watched this team reported on this team. I

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Speaker 5: Has Duke Tobin done enough.

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Speaker 3: To maintain his position here in Cincinnati? Has he not

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Speaker 3: what he's doing in Cincinnati. It's complicated considering he's basically

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Speaker 3: with Duke Tobin, it feels complicated. It feels hard certainly

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Speaker 3: We've seen this enough, it hasn't worked. Bringing somebody else

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Speaker 3: Duke Hobin's going to be haunted by what he said

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Speaker 3: at the Draft Combine when he said I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to pay more for the same team. Well, he's paying

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Speaker 3: would be a haunting sentence for a guy to carry around.

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Speaker 3: Now that we've seen what this team is through nine weeks.

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Speaker 5: So I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Stay in the lane of he most likely stays here

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Speaker 3: until the end of the year and then it's evaluated

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Speaker 3: at the end of the year. But the Bengals have

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Speaker 3: You know what they did today what would have been

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Speaker 5: On Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 5: This is the time. It's midway through the season.

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Speaker 2: If they're willing to say that publicly, how bad are

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Speaker 3: In the locker room, Yeah, things have picked up in

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Speaker 3: that feels different and it has all year long. No

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Speaker 3: with what Jamar Chase said. You think about what Chase

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Speaker 5: I get it.

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Speaker 3: Chase Brown put his body on the line that last drive.

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Speaker 5: Joe Flacca as well. And we all get it.

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Speaker 3: The season is probably lost, and these guys are doing this,

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Speaker 5: Now, I get it.

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Speaker 3: If you're a guy like Jordan Battle and you make

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Speaker 3: But it was twenty four hours too late, and Chase

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Speaker 4: Of the bag. Is the ping pong table still in

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Speaker 5: Gone?

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Speaker 3: Get right from existence?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Cam it? When was that? When did that happen?

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Speaker 4: We know these things.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know what I'm trying to think. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: I think. Don't don't hold me for that. But I

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Speaker 2: Have one more question for you. But it doesn't pertain

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Speaker 4: Uh Oh.

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Speaker 2: It was reported earlier by Bleacher Report and many other

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'll say this about people with stupid money, and

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Speaker 5: Don't quote a dog.

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Speaker 3: How many dogs are out there that eat a home? Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: We have it on the dues every single night about

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Speaker 5: And dogs that need homes.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Tom, don't get a dog that needs a home.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, don't clone your dog.

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous. But it's your money to be a stupid money.

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Speaker 3: Do whatever you want to do with your stupid money,

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Speaker 4: Well said, I like that. Lastly, was anyone in the

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Speaker 2: I know it's a bye week. I know just first

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Speaker 3: I was wondering what the heck happened on that He

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Speaker 5: Minute, there's no wine. What the heck happened? I was

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Speaker 2: It is it's a bye week for the Bengals. Does

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Speaker 2: that change anything you guys got going on with Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 3: We have no Bengals now tomorrow night, so we are

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Speaker 3: at it next week?

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Speaker 5: Bengals. Now I am trying. I'm trying, and.

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Speaker 3: He has said he's open to it. Trying to get

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Speaker 3: Like to put on some mister Rogers sweaters? Ye, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to dad the heck out of this show.

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Speaker 5: We can get Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 4: It's not too late for him, is it. He's normally

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 3: It's six o'clock, so he should be good.

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Speaker 4: Guys.

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Speaker 5: When we get Joe.

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Speaker 3: Flacco on the show, I want Tony and Austin in attendance,

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Speaker 3: and I will buy you guys a beer that night.

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Speaker 2: I was I was often compared coming out to Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco in the draft. Uh, for no other reason. Then

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Speaker 2: we're both tall. There was no other comparison other than

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Speaker 2: arm strength and height. And yet his career is still flourishing.

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Speaker 2: So I I would like to see that man. It

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Speaker 2: would be next Wednesday? Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: That's the hope.

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Speaker 3: It's next Wednesday. I gotta lock it down. Can I

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Speaker 3: say one.

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Speaker 5: Last thing about Joe Flacco?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: And the defense?

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Speaker 3: The defense has stolen from us the the best story

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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Right, now no doubt.

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Speaker 3: If Joe Blacco were winning games, and he's done everything

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Speaker 3: he can to win games. He's got over one thousand

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Speaker 3: yards passing his last three games, ten total touchdowns. This

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Speaker 3: would be the best story in the NFL. Correct, right

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Speaker 3: here in Cincinnati, if the defense wasn't stealing the best

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Speaker 3: story in the NFL. Thieves Thames of Joy, the Angles defense.

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Speaker 4: Joe Daniman, you're the best. Maririme has really gotten out

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Speaker 4: of control. You're the best.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk soon, boy, Joe Danie Fox nineteen. We we

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Speaker 2: got to get to talk back.

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Speaker 4: You can't do so like we can do an hour straight.

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Speaker 4: We could be like Bob Trump. He just blow out

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Speaker 4: the commercials with Joe did Joe dan It goes way

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Speaker 4: too fast.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks to Cinti shirts.

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Speaker 7: Now your chance to win a thousand tacks.

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Speaker 8: Press the microphone, handy coach your message, four stand in tone,

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Speaker 8: please keep it clean and don't be mean. And a

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Speaker 8: sprinkle sprinkled drip drip. It's that time for talkbacks. It's

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Speaker 8: our favorite part of Sancy three sixty Austin, Buddy, play

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Speaker 8: that talk back on your screen. Please try not too,

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Speaker 8: Saba Taje.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Sincy shirts. Your Tuesday edition of Talkbacks start

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Speaker 2: right now, maybe right now.

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys, it's Jeff and your Richmond. So I wanted

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Speaker 9: to take a second here to apologize about yesterday. No,

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Speaker 9: I don't want Mike Brown dead, but Father Time is

486
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Speaker 9: undefeated and the mess that he's created with this franchise

487
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Speaker 9: can't be fixed overnight. So anyway, onto the Bearcats. You know,

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Speaker 9: great win last night, great ways start the season. Love

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Speaker 9: seeing Sean bay and play. He's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to talk about these Bearcats and nour

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Speaker 2: number three. Man, I think they got some scores.

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Speaker 10: Logan Wilson for a seventh round pick, man, I was

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Speaker 10: hoping we could trick Jerry Jones into giving up one

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Speaker 10: of them first rounders for Trey Hendrickson. The Logan Wilson,

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Speaker 10: best of luck to you, sir. Bengals defense last two

496
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Speaker 10: years just miss tackles and miss tackles. I don't understand

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Speaker 10: how guys can play football their whole lives and just

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Speaker 10: don't wrap up and take.

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Speaker 4: People to the ground. It's almost like they're think they're playing.

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Speaker 10: Madden in real life and just use that hit stick

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Speaker 10: and guys that go to the ground set a bouncing

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Speaker 10: off of them and running for touchdowns. Make it make

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Speaker 10: sense guys today?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like a problem Austin deals with on a

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Speaker 2: nightly basis and his Madden League as well.

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Speaker 4: Not tackling, not wrapping up.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, So CJ.

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Speaker 11: Gardner Johnson had as many.

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Speaker 8: Solo tackles as our top players and a sack yeap,

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Speaker 8: just as many solo tackles as anybody the Bengals registered.

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Speaker 3: Why couldn't the Bengals have gone out and signed him?

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Speaker 2: I think you could probably run that exercise with a

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Speaker 2: lot of player no idea.

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Speaker 12: Possibly the real reason the Bengals defensive backs ran out

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Speaker 12: of locker room on short notice on.

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Speaker 4: A bye week.

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Speaker 12: Yep, Yeah, Tony Austin's Jack Everan College Hills. Wondering who

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Speaker 12: we think the first to get removed from their position?

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Speaker 4: Is?

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Speaker 12: Is it Tony after iHeartMedia had to rename their entire

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Speaker 12: company to iHeart Media with Tony Pike? Is it Duke

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Speaker 12: Tovin with the Cincinnati Bengals or is it the Edmond

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Speaker 12: Fitzgerald at the bottom of Lake Superior?

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Speaker 4: We say, iHeart Media. I'm probably next on the chapter

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Speaker 4: block again. iHeart media.

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Speaker 13: Hey, it's the Lord.

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Speaker 6: Hey.

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Speaker 13: I heard yesterday on Quick Hits, Mo and you guys

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Speaker 13: were talking about fights may break out in the locker room.

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Speaker 13: I also heard on national radio this morning that fights

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Speaker 13: may break out in the Bengals locker room. Can we

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Speaker 13: place bets on these fights? At least maybe we could

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Speaker 13: win our money at something.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure there's probably somebody I wonder who would be fair.

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Speaker 14: Well.

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Speaker 6: My weekend was a flop. There's no denying that my

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Speaker 6: hopes were sky high. But my team's left me flat.

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Speaker 6: The J's really blew it at the end of Game seven,

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Speaker 6: l they toatched a bullet. Now their fans are in

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Speaker 6: hug Heaven. You see added West to the land of Utah.

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Speaker 6: But the moment was too big, the mountain too tall.

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Speaker 6: The Bengals tore my heart out of after Flacco worked

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Speaker 6: his magic. The offense is amazing, but that defense is

544
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Speaker 6: so tragic. The only thing that saved me, my only

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Speaker 6: beta blocker is the pure and simple fact that I

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Speaker 6: still don't watch soccer.

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Speaker 15: Wow, no, no, no, who.

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Speaker 4: By logan? Oh damn, this is a service like that.

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Speaker 11: This segment is the last out loud segment on since

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Speaker 11: he three sixty. What do you do when you see

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Speaker 11: and hear Zach Taylor at his Monday and Wednesday Prince

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Speaker 11: Press conferences? You laugh out loud? What do you do

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Speaker 11: when you see the Bengals defense trying to stop an

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Speaker 11: opposing offense? You laugh out loud? What do you do

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Speaker 11: when you see Zach Taylor or Giddy on the sideline?

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Speaker 11: You laugh out loud.

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Speaker 4: I tell you what, my man Aldy, he knows how

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Speaker 4: to get in them gats too. He stays in them guests,

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Speaker 4: just plugging it up. Man.

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Speaker 16: Hey boys, no, I can't believe that Zach called out

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Speaker 16: Jase Brown. That's just he's lost that locker room totally. Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 16: I just listened to your podcast. Heard Audie say that

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Speaker 16: we got sixty talkbacks yesterday. So what about this for

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Speaker 16: an idea? Just put all sixty talkbacks out there on

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Speaker 16: the podcast. They can be unhedited because it won't be

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Speaker 16: going over the air live. Get a sponsor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, getting a sponsor, that's about impossible around here. I'd

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Speaker 4: like to do that. That'd be cool. That's creating more

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Speaker 4: work for me. Pike doesn't do any of this stuff,

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Speaker 4: So you'd be compensated. Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Oeger had the best quote on X when he said

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Speaker 17: congratulations to Logan Wilson for getting traded from the Titanic

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Speaker 17: to the Hindenburg spot on Yeah, very funny. Let me

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Speaker 17: ask you guys a question. As two of the most

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Speaker 17: pre eminent sports talk shows in Cincinnati, do you think

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Speaker 17: that either the Reds or the Bengals front office listens

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Speaker 17: to anything the fans on hearsay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they've listened with the fans,

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Speaker 2: I know they listened to the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I don't know that they take every

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Speaker 4: opinion into account, but I do know that they listen.

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Speaker 7: Jermaine Burton missing a practice, late for practice, missing a meeting,

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Speaker 7: late for a.

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Speaker 4: Meeting, He's no way he's under.

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Speaker 7: Are we gonna cut our losses with this guy? You

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Speaker 7: can't on one hand come down on Chase Brown for

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Speaker 7: being too passionate after a game and saying something to

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Speaker 7: the media, and then on the other hand, you give

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Speaker 7: this other guy who's drafted in the third round, supposed

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Speaker 7: to be amazing all the chances in the world when

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Speaker 7: he shows that he doesn't.

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Speaker 4: About be there.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't gotten any chances there are no. The problem

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Speaker 2: with him, He's not given He's not been given a chance.

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Speaker 2: That's how bad it's been.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's not like they're just running him out

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Speaker 4: there like he's Demetrius Night Junior. He's just he's there.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't get practice reps, he doesn't play like she

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Speaker 4: had a good camp though for a couple of days.

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Speaker 4: They don't owe him a bunch of money. He's literally

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Speaker 4: there break glass in case of emergency. It's not like

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Speaker 4: they're putting him out there in place of Andre Joseva.

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Speaker 4: Have to be getting all these chances and he's doing nothing.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's a big deal. Oh why are

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Speaker 4: we giving this guy so many chances? He's not getting

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Speaker 4: any chances?

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Speaker 18: You know.

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Speaker 19: Hearing Zach Taylor's comments towards Chase Brown's comments, so I

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Speaker 19: need to know about Zach Taylor. He should be the

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Speaker 19: one stepping up and saying what these players are saying.

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Speaker 19: He's the freaking head coach of this team. But instead

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Speaker 19: he wants to turn it the other way and act

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Speaker 19: like the good old Boys Club is here. Bs man. Well,

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Speaker 19: I'm done with I'm so done with Zach Taylor. He's

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Speaker 19: a freaking clown. I swear to God, I hope he's

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Speaker 19: gone after this year.

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Speaker 2: They were asked yesterday, Jordan Battle was asked, did Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor address anything in the Monday meeting that like essentially

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Speaker 2: made it feel different than any other normal Monday meaning

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Speaker 2: is there a tone that's been set? And Jordan Battle

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Speaker 2: said no comment. Zach Taylor was asked the same question.

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Speaker 2: He said, I don't know. You're gonna have to ask

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Speaker 2: them players that. I just want to know that it's

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Speaker 2: a different tone. Sounds to me like somebody got their assitude. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just want to know that it's a different tone.

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Speaker 4: And also, I don't know if you heard the way

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Speaker 4: Joe Daniman talked about it, maybe a bit of a

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Speaker 4: read between the lines there where Joe talked about how

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Speaker 4: there was a very different attitude by the defensive players.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if Zach got up there and

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Speaker 4: ripped them. I hope so, and I'm sure he probably.

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Speaker 4: This is how I'm guessing things happened. He talked with

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Speaker 4: Chase Brown and said, Hey, that's not your job, that's

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Speaker 4: my job. I'll take care of it. And on the

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Speaker 4: media said me and Chase had to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: I wish he wouldn't have done that. And then Zach

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Speaker 4: went into the team meeting room and ripped the defense

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Speaker 4: and told them part of their jobs they have to

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Speaker 4: talk to the media. That's how I assume things went.

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Speaker 4: I hope it did. Yeah, from unhealthy.

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Speaker 20: It really doesn't matter what they do at the trade

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Speaker 20: deadline because I don't have any faith that they could

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Speaker 20: turn these draft picks into productive players. I'll put out

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Speaker 20: a question to my friends, when was the last time

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Speaker 20: a Bengals signed a free agent in the prime. The

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Speaker 20: best they could come up with was Von Beale. It's

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Speaker 20: a joke. It's terrible. I have no faith in the organization.

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Speaker 20: They're a failure.

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Speaker 4: Well, you don't have very good friends because Trey Hendrickson exists.

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Speaker 21: I tell you the last two Sundays. That's rough being

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Speaker 21: a Bengals fan. Not good for the blood pressure. I

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Speaker 21: thought Chris Jenkins was a good draft pick. I really did,

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Speaker 21: But I was wrong on that one. I'd always stick

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Speaker 21: up for Jordan battle Man. I'd take it back, Oh,

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Speaker 21: I yeah, I'd the whole defense should be arrested, all right.

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Speaker 20: I'm all from out healthy with a rare double dip.

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Speaker 20: The biggest thing that we hear in professional sports is accountability.

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Speaker 20: Accountability coaches, players, organizationally. The coaches have no accountability. They're

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Speaker 20: getting off scott free here because if you watch the

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Speaker 20: Bengals defensive line, well, just a defense. The technique is terrible.

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Speaker 20: The hand fighting of the defensive line is horrible. Their

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Speaker 20: technique is horrible. They can't do basic fundamentals like tackling.

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Speaker 20: The fundamentals are lacking on this team. I would agree,

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Speaker 20: scheme is lacking.

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Speaker 14: Mike Florio is a joke man. He has no idea

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Speaker 14: what he's talking about. Duds, throwing crap against the wall

667
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Speaker 14: unless you live here and experience this stuff. But yeah,

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Speaker 14: courtse in a normal situation, somebody would say, oh, Duke

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Speaker 14: Tobin's on the hot see. But unless you live here

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Speaker 14: experience the stuff, you have no idea how traumatic it

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Speaker 14: is to be a Cincinnati sportsman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that, But I don't think Mike.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Mike Florio with NBC Sports would just

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Speaker 2: make up something like that. He would obviously have to

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Speaker 2: hear rumblings about that somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that does carry a little bit

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Speaker 4: of weake, a little bit of weight, and I mean

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Speaker 4: Florio is very good at stirring the pot, and you

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Speaker 4: do have to take I think everything he says with

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Speaker 4: the grain of salt, but the fact that he's saying

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Speaker 4: it means he's heard it.

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Speaker 14: Guys, you need to fire Duke Toobin and hire Jolen

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Speaker 14: Group and he wants that's really back in the game.

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Speaker 19: And there's a man who could make some good personnel decisions.

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Speaker 6: Just say.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if his track record in Las Vegas

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Speaker 4: would suggest that he'll make good personnel decisions. I would

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Speaker 4: like a guy with the attitude of John Gruden. I

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Speaker 4: don't sure. I don't know if he really is a

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Speaker 4: fit here, but I get it.

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Speaker 18: Hey, formerly Peppy Patty, you're now sad Patty.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 18: I have been a Zach compassionist and now I am

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Speaker 18: ticked off, even pissed off, which takes a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: For me to be.

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Speaker 18: But Zach's latest comments have sent me over the edge,

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Speaker 18: especially the ones about Chase Brown. No, you should have

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Speaker 18: his back for speaking his mind, for caring and playing

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Speaker 18: his bottom off, and be mad at the ones that

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Speaker 18: wouldn't talk and that have him played.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're turning Peppy Patty into angry Patty. You've

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Speaker 2: done something incredibly bad, not good, Ernie.

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Speaker 22: You know, back in the day when I was a ballplayer,

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Speaker 22: our coach talked about ice cream. You know, you got

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Speaker 22: a gown of ice cream. You know there's a little

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Speaker 22: speck of poop in the ice cream. You're going to

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Speaker 22: scoop it around and salute that ice cream where it's

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Speaker 22: a whole jug contaminated with poop, and you throw it

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Speaker 22: out and get the new jug of ice cream. I

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Speaker 22: think this Bengals team it's time to restart because there's

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Speaker 22: poop in the ice cream.

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Speaker 2: You're saying that the Bengals have pooping the jug of

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Speaker 2: ice cream.

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Speaker 4: You know that somehow is a fitting analogy. To be

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Speaker 4: honest with you, that's one of the more incredible analogies

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Speaker 4: I've ever heard someone come up with. And that's our

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Speaker 4: guy Liam, who texted me this morning at five forty

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Speaker 4: seven am the following message, Jaquiz Rogers was special. I

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00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 4: watched him firsthand. I watched him.

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Speaker 23: Works in the Bengals front office, and I was told

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Speaker 23: that specific paperwork was printed out for staff releases. That

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Speaker 23: paper was printed out yesterday.

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Speaker 11: So I do believe that Duke.

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Speaker 23: Copen is going to be fired. I think we'll hear

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Speaker 23: about it today or tomorrow. I don't think it's going

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Speaker 23: to be any defensive coaches after what Zach Taylor said.

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Speaker 11: I think he's going to be Duke Tubing.

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Speaker 4: So I'm buying in Okay, So just to be clear,

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Speaker 4: this is a talkbacker who says he has a friend

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Speaker 4: of a friend who works in the Bengals front office

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Speaker 4: and a specific type of paperwork was printed out regarding

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Speaker 4: staff releases. This is what it's all about. Now. I

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Speaker 4: feel like we're at an SEC school looking for a

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Speaker 4: new head coach.

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Speaker 2: This is what it's all about. Now we're in We're

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Speaker 2: in the thick of it.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: Do you see how people found out about Hugh Freeze

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Speaker 4: because of his tea time was canceled? Yep. This is

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Speaker 4: the type of stuff we're on too right now.

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Speaker 24: What kind of you're gonna have to have Dave Lapham

742
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Speaker 24: making cold calls to other NFL teams today if you

743
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Speaker 24: want to trade any other players on defense so you

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Speaker 24: can talk about how it's just a bunch of good

745
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 24: guys brotherhood. They love playing football in the National Football League,

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Speaker 24: to make football plays.

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Speaker 4: I love.

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Speaker 25: I heard Mo lap him last night on the Molop

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Speaker 25: Hey Joe from Casey here.

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Speaker 4: I don't like the Logan Wilson trade. I understand it,

751
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 4: just don't like it.

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Speaker 25: I don't understand how he goes from on the field

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Speaker 25: making plays too this year, can't even stay on the team. Secondly,

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Speaker 25: I have a group chat with all my niece's nephew's

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Speaker 25: family during the games and my twenty two year old

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Speaker 25: nephews shout out Troy at University of Walsh up in Canton, Ohio,

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00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 25: texted and sums it up perfectly.

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Speaker 4: Just nothing changes if nothing changes.

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Speaker 2: Alrte that down to it, Troy, Nothing nothing changes, if nothing.

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Speaker 26: Yes, we can add Schamar's Stewart apologist to Aldie's resume

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Speaker 26: rod next to that tail or a pust I'm just

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Speaker 26: busting your bricks, buddy, relax for real. Don't ever compare

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Speaker 26: him to Tyler Boyd good board win.

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Speaker 21: Did Tyler Boyd ever ever disrupt the locker room?

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Speaker 4: Came in as a disruption into the locker room?

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Speaker 26: And when did Tyler Boyd's daddy ever it on social

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Speaker 26: media and started capping on Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Fans The social media players families on social media is

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Speaker 4: a major issue, correct, but that might be just commonplace

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Speaker 4: from here on out because the world we live in.

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Speaker 4: I saw Romo Dunesay's dad going at Bears fans earlier today,

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Speaker 4: crazy some crazy good Big Steve get a Twitter account

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00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 4: and see what to do that guys back in the day.

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Speaker 4: It was just an example of how somebody was really

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Speaker 4: bad one year and turned it around. That was my

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Speaker 4: point about Tyler Boyd.

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Speaker 26: And not to be picking all low hanging fruit here,

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Speaker 26: but Tyler Boyd was not a first round pick.

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Speaker 4: I know you clearly don't get it. It's not about

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Speaker 4: Tyler Boyd and his specific you know, draft slot money

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Speaker 4: he made where he's from. It's about terrible first year

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Speaker 4: turned it around. Shamar Stewart can do the same. Tony

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Speaker 4: Austin up.

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Speaker 27: We got to step back as Bengals fan and think

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Speaker 27: about it as a fan of the Cincinnati Bengals. We

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Speaker 27: live in the greatest city in the United States of America.

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Speaker 27: Because where else in a sports city could a guy

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Speaker 27: like Zach Taylor keep a job?

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Speaker 4: How could a guy liked Tovin keep a job?

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Speaker 27: Only in Cincinnati, Olwen and the Queen City.

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Speaker 4: I love this city.

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Speaker 12: I love it here Hey, Austin, I was wondering. I've

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Speaker 12: heard you say a few times you have a problem

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Speaker 12: with rooting for your team to lose, and I was

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Speaker 12: wondering when the Bengals played the Dolphins and the loser

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Speaker 12: gets Joe Burrow, did you root for the Bengals that game.

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Speaker 12: I'm just wondering. Anyway, I like how we finally get

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Speaker 12: from the Bengals real talk courtesy of Chase Brown Zach

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Speaker 12: Taylor's like, Nah, Chase, knock it off.

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Speaker 4: I was rooting for the Bengals that day because I

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Speaker 4: did not believe in that. I understand now that I

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Speaker 4: was probably fools root for the Bengals that day.

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Speaker 28: I actual boy claim, could they'll hopper from down here

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Speaker 28: in the holler around Summerset? And I was just wondering

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Speaker 28: if you boys had ever pooped so long you peed twice?

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Speaker 4: Wow, that happened to me the other day. That was

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Speaker 4: kind of weird.

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Speaker 28: But anyway, I was thinking that the Bengals offense is

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Speaker 28: just too good, and that's why the defense sucks because

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Speaker 28: they never get a chance to catch your breath because

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Speaker 28: the offense is out there scoring like the star quarterback

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Speaker 28: on Prime Night. I gotta know I need to answer.

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Speaker 28: Please advice.

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Speaker 4: A great question would be part of the equation. It's

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Speaker 4: a great question. Since poop has been brought up twice

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Speaker 4: already in talkbacks, I want to take this moment to

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Speaker 4: encourage everybody to learn and perform the art of the

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Speaker 4: courtesy flush. Thank you. What a time to do that.

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Speaker 29: Hey, Mike, you know all those teams you names have

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Speaker 29: one thing in coming. They're all very big market teams.

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Speaker 29: And I'm sorry if we think it's a problem that

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Speaker 29: through school ball is going to be a free agent,

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Speaker 29: not even this year, and prominent analysts and MLB reporters

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Speaker 29: are already saying that only three teams can afford them.

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Speaker 4: It's a problem.

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Speaker 6: It sucks.

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Speaker 4: Correct. Also not great for Mike today to come in

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Speaker 4: and immediately start talking baseball and then drop a curse

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Speaker 4: word where I had to dump them. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: sometimes you have a bad game, sometimes you're marshed off.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, but I was watching my Facebook reels and there

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Speaker 30: was a guy on there that's the winning catch from

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Speaker 30: Loveland over the middle. Uh, when you're a safety or

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00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 30: there's two you're working with another safety, isn't it your

835
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Speaker 30: job to basically separate that guy from the ball using

836
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Speaker 30: your whole body and not tackle them with your forearms.

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Speaker 30: Get get rid of both our safeties. Absolutely gone, watching

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Speaker 30: Jim watching.

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Speaker 4: Vega Guys TJ side.

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Speaker 31: It's funny listening to the generational references that get lost

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Speaker 31: on your enviable youth.

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Speaker 4: It's a grateful dead song.

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Speaker 31: Yesterday Fox played lots of grateful Dead during the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Seinfeld references always.

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Speaker 31: Going there this no no your youth, addie to your

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00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 31: lack of loathing of Mike Bround, you didn't have to

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Speaker 31: endure the nineties. Speaking of generation gaps, Mike Brownd is

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00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 31: still trying to install Windows ninety five in this new

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00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 31: smart watch, not trusting Duke tob and he asked chat

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Speaker 31: ept for trade advice, then canceled a free trial.

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Speaker 2: I will never take any Steinfeld slams.

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Speaker 4: I know a little bit of Seinfeld, but not enough

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00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 4: so I would miss those references the other ones. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and for the most part, I know this is crazy

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00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: for some people, but the Bengals have been pretty good

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00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 4: for most of my life. It's been a competitive team

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00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: for most of my life, so yeah, I do have

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a different view, which I Hi, Hey.

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Speaker 32: It's like the Spider Man meme where there's three Spider

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00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 32: Man's all pointing to each other. But it's like, it's

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00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 32: not the players, it's not the coaching, it's not the

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Speaker 32: it's not the scheme.

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Speaker 4: But then then what is it? You know, they just

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Speaker 4: don't know what they're doing.

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Speaker 32: I'd like them to trade Trey Hendrickson get a second

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Speaker 32: or third round pick, I guess, assuming they can pick

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Speaker 32: somebody competent with that pick, mainly because I don't want

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00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 32: to hear about the whole off season of the saga

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Speaker 32: of tagging him and refusing to pay him money.

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Speaker 4: So that's just why there's a lot going on. All right,

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Speaker 4: That's that's all we have time for today. All right.

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Speaker 2: We got to get a break in a quick football

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Speaker 2: in the Natty Touch and go. When we get back,

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Speaker 2: we'll get dowur three, some updates of what's going on

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, some college hoops, your phone calls, and

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Speaker 2: a check in with Mowegar. I'll still ahead Sincy three

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Speaker 1: bud Light on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 4: Uh, really really quick.

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Speaker 2: We will get to everything going on with the NFL

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Speaker 2: and the trade deadline. Multiple reports coming out, different things

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Speaker 2: that have already happened. As for now, what we know,

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Speaker 2: Logan Wilson is no longer a Cincinnati Bengal. He is

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Speaker 2: now a Dallas Cowboy in return for a seventh round

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Speaker 2: draft pick. For the Bengals and the Bearcats, it's the

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Speaker 2: rare double bye. No Bengals this weekend, No Bearcats this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Bengals on the road the following weekend against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: They start a stretch where they're going to be at

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh homebirsut New England, and then they're going to play

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Speaker 2: the Ravens, the Bills, and the Ravens. Not an easy

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Speaker 2: stretch coming up for the Cincinnati Bengals. As for the Bearcats,

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Speaker 2: their game time against Arizona was announced yesterday. That is

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Speaker 2: a noon kickoff against Arizona next Saturday at historic Knippert Stadium,

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Speaker 2: and then the following week will be the BYU game.

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Speaker 2: Still hoping for a nip at night for that before

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Speaker 2: they finish the year at TCU. If UC can win out,

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Speaker 2: they will play in the Big twelve Chaminampionship Game in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: More on the NFL trade deadline when we come back,

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Speaker 2: and then we will switch gears. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 2: first full night of college basketball and the local teams

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Speaker 2: in action and how they fared. All coming up in

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Speaker 2: hour three on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals, WKY