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Speaker 2: Dot com.

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Speaker 3: I always had a Helbie moment there two minutes seventeen seconds

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Speaker 3: past the hour, three o'clock Hermantown Central. Yeah, daylight saving time.

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Speaker 3: We welcome you back. It's a midweek edition of the

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Speaker 3: Afternoon Ardvark. I'm the host of the program.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Barrero, formering Stained Retch newspaper the

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Speaker 1: Twin Cities Guardsy is here as well, and we're going

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Speaker 1: the distance again today.

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Speaker 2: Im assuming until six thirty.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any other information, can't think of anything

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Speaker 1: that will get in the way of that.

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Speaker 2: No, So it's the distance. It's the distance, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Until we find out a half hour later that there's

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Speaker 3: something we forgot about. It's six fifteen, Today's Wednesday, right,

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Speaker 3: today is Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Should be fine. Good to go go on their distance.

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Speaker 3: Yep, bratcheon Brian Kafy and text line is open for

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Speaker 3: the distance six four six eight six. Are you familiar

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Speaker 3: with a writer, highly acclaimed writer named Thomas Wolfe.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I've read things that he's written, but not

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head.

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Speaker 3: Do you think you ever had to write a paper

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Speaker 3: on any of his books, and if you did, did

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Speaker 3: you cheat with cliffs notes, which, back in the day, yeah,

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Speaker 3: was how you distilled information about a book you have

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Speaker 3: to write a report on when you haven't even bothered

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Speaker 3: to read the book, believe it or not.

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Speaker 2: I never did a cliffs notes thing. Really.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really trust it. I didn't really understand.

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Speaker 3: You thought it might be Oh, I thought you thought

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Speaker 3: it might have been like a trap, that the information

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Speaker 2: It's kind of part of it. And then the professor was.

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Speaker 3: Going to say, you're obviously just reading the cliffs notes version,

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Speaker 3: and cliff notes are inaccurate.

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Speaker 2: I think they're pretty accurate, or they were. I sure

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Speaker 2: as ill used them, did you really, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never really Now part of that too, is

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Speaker 1: I rarely finished the actual papers. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 1: can't like that could be part of the problem, certainly

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Speaker 1: at the college level. High school though, I remember those

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Speaker 1: floating around a little bit. Yeah, I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if they exist anymore. I mean, now it's so much

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Speaker 1: more sophisticated. Yeah, when it comes to stealing material, get

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Speaker 1: it online pretty quick, getting anything online and you want

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Speaker 1: via AI and other sources as well.

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Speaker 3: He had a book called I think this was published

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Speaker 3: in You can look it up, but I think it

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Speaker 3: was published in nineteen forty, you Can't Go Home Again.

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Speaker 1: According to Wikipedia it was nineteen forty.

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Speaker 3: It was nineteen forty, and I believe I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I ever read it, but it's the story of

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Speaker 3: an author named George Weber, who, according to AI, faces

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Speaker 3: rejection from his hometown after publishing a novel that exposes

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Speaker 3: its truths. And I think largely on that basis it became.

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Speaker 3: It eventually got turned into a cliche, you can't go

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Speaker 3: home again? Is it possible? Is it even probable that

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Speaker 3: Thomas Wolf was wrong? Or perhaps there was an occasion

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Speaker 3: or two when you could go home again? For example,

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Speaker 3: I am assuming and guessing that the illiterative Bobby Brink

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Speaker 3: would say to the late great Thomas Wolf, I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: sure he's dead, sir. With all due respect, I think

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Speaker 3: I disagree with you. I think you can go home again.

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Speaker 1: And I did last night, same arena, right where he

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Speaker 1: won a state title back in eight years ago, twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: They did not blow a three goal lead in the

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Speaker 1: Did he talk to the media after It's a very

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Speaker 1: good question, Yeah, very good question. I would have been

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Speaker 1: coaching then Goldie. Goldie was that It is that early Goldie.

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Speaker 1: I think, so when did Goldie start? I don't know

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Speaker 2: In any case, he's back there.

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Speaker 1: Last night, at last count, there were two hundred and

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Speaker 1: seventy five members of the Bobby Brink family, including extended

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Speaker 2: And what did they see?

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Speaker 3: They saw him score, They saw him being part of

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Speaker 2: And right now, I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Tell you I think there's every reasonably because you know

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Speaker 3: Sid said, you can't if you voluntarily left. Now, I

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Speaker 3: don't think did Bobby Briink voluntarily leave? I guess I

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Speaker 3: guess he did in a way. Right Where did he

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm double checking right now, because I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he wasn't here. I don't believe was

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Speaker 3: If he left here to go to college someplace else,

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Speaker 3: SID would say you can't come home. He has, though,

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Speaker 3: I think the potential to become the rest of this

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Speaker 3: necessarily because he's going to score every game, although I

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Speaker 1: Like his speed. He gets up there, he really does.

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Speaker 3: I think he's got a chance to be one of

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Speaker 3: say we will forgive you for not attending University of Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: We will tell you that you indeed can go home again,

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Speaker 3: and we're gonna make you one of our heroes. Bobby

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Speaker 3: Brink the rest of this season because it was all great.

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Speaker 3: After an early scare, he gets hurt, leaves the rink.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't say the rank the ice, and it's as serious,

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Speaker 3: and then in his case it turned out not to be.

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Speaker 3: He got out there again pretty quickly. He's already ingratiated

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Speaker 2: It. Were we in Vegas at that point?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, He basically somehow said, you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: Get there, I'll get there when I get there.

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Speaker 1: He got there in like fifteen minutes and played or

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Speaker 3: I guess it's the best way to put it. So

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Speaker 3: I think he is. We got better players on this team.

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Speaker 2: We know that.

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Speaker 3: But watch for the Bobby Brink phenomenon as it takes

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Speaker 2: Say, Bobby, And you can't say break.

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Speaker 1: If you say break, everyone's gonna go no, no, no, it's Bobby.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Brink. It's Bobby Brink because it's so fun to say.

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Speaker 1: It's a great radio name. Radio talk show show host name,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Brink. I'll be with you three to six thirty weekdays.

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Speaker 1: Here are the fan wild fan line with fallness and

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Speaker 1: after this game, does it not roll off?

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Speaker 3: This's tremendous. Yes, it's as good as it gets, is

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Speaker 3: what it is. And he's all ours.

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Speaker 1: Right, we got him at least for now, and I

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Speaker 1: do like, yeah, he's five eight And was it last

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Speaker 1: taller Bobby Brink or Kyler Murray? Did I already ask

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Speaker 1: you this? I don't think you asked me. You might

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Speaker 3: I think that's the game we're gonna have to start

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Remember if it was last night or the game before

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Speaker 1: and it's gone and it's okay, Bobby Brink. I see you,

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Speaker 1: I see you, Bobby Brink.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't one of them is we got so

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Speaker 3: He was more in the mood to talk about it

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Speaker 2: We'll have plenty of time to do it.

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Speaker 3: But I never got his response to the Bobby Brink acquisition,

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Speaker 3: just so I could say Bobby Brink because there were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anybody else that we got in

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Speaker 2: I just know Bobby Brink. Why would you There's no

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Speaker 1: Gus Buss, who didn't exactly distinguish himself. International at the

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Speaker 1: their pre trade deadline pre Olympic form, which is very important,

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Speaker 1: right Wall of Saint Paul played well the other night, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Gus Buss played well last night. That was the strength

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Speaker 1: just thought of this if we are out at Maynard's

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Speaker 1: this summer, because what did he say? This isn't to

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Speaker 1: that a That's what there's the point. So if we

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how far the team goes in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. I suppose that's the answer.

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Speaker 3: I think if we get frustrated enough, we would probably

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Speaker 3: rad him out. Yeah, you know, even if it's not

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Speaker 1: Trust me, all the little taka hockey bros will love

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Speaker 1: when the wild are pulling up to Maynards and if

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Speaker 1: Bobby brinks there, people are gonna notice. But do you

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Speaker 1: tell me he basically told him stay out of there?

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Speaker 3: Rayan Hopkins, Dan, your opening line had me panic stricken

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Speaker 3: that Cousins was returning to the Vikings. That would be

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Speaker 3: a complete waste. But this isn't Cousins home. I get

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Speaker 3: what he means. He's been here before. That part's true,

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Does anybody call Bobby Brink Brinksy in the lot? And

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Speaker 3: call him Bobby Brink. No, maybe they go Brinks because

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Speaker 2: Five days ago.

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Speaker 3: This was the headline five days not even a week ago,

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Speaker 3: That's why you drive yourself crazy, not knowing how harsh

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Speaker 3: To update those who may not have been paying attention today.

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Speaker 2: He is returning to the team, Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: also you know, exploring a pay cut with him was

441
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Speaker 4: going to be a little dicey given his agent is

442
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Speaker 4: Drew Rosenhaus. So I from what I gathered, kind of

443
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Speaker 4: what happened is the Vikings were intrigued by Travis Etan,

444
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: who was an elite running back eventually signed to a

445
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 4: pretty high level deal with the New Orleans Saints, and

446
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 4: then the Viking viewed a bunch of the options of time,

447
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 4: travestn and free agency similar to Aaron Jones. So sincely

448
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: Minnesota waited it out and they got Aaron Jones at

449
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Speaker 4: the costs that they were willing to get him at,

450
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Speaker 4: and so it kind of speaks to the lack of

451
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Speaker 4: I would say, teams shopping at the bit elsewhere, So yeah,

452
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Speaker 4: it's gonna be for the short term. Aaron Jones and

453
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Speaker 4: Jordan Mason and I said when I kind of put

454
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Speaker 4: it out on social media that I still would not

455
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Speaker 4: be surprised if the Vikings shoot a shot in the draft.

456
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 4: Whether that's high or low, we'll find out together.

457
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Speaker 2: Let's also discuss quickly.

458
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Speaker 3: I don't know that we need a lot of time

459
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Speaker 3: on it, but the procedural nature of what was what

460
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Speaker 3: has been announced regarding Harrison Smith.

461
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Harrison Smith, from everything that I've gathered, is still

462
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Speaker 4: kind of up in the air on whether to play

463
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Speaker 4: a fifteenth season. And I think some of it for

464
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 4: him was the personal health matter that he dealt with

465
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Speaker 4: early in last season. He felt like towards the back

466
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: half of the season he really felt like himself. And

467
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 4: then the fact that Brian flores his back definitely is

468
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Speaker 4: a feather in the cap of being willing to play

469
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Speaker 4: another season. I'll also say that the Vikings haven't done

470
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Speaker 4: anything at safety, so the idea of having a guy

471
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: that can trust back there wouldn't treat the team. So

472
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Speaker 4: this just allows the team to kind of operate over

473
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Speaker 4: the next month, if not more, under the impression and

474
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Speaker 4: we'll just give Harrison time. Cap wise, everything's okay, and

475
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Speaker 4: I think they feel like he's earned that at this point.

476
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Speaker 2: Javon Hargrave now officially released. Is that correct?

477
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Speaker 4: That is correct? Yeah, that was pretty much a four

478
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: garden it felt like before the season ended. And then

479
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 4: the Vikings also parted ways with Jonathan Allen and part

480
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Speaker 4: of the reason there was some pushback, I think from

481
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Speaker 4: fans of why would you release on it Allen? There's

482
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Speaker 4: not much savings. Well, well, the way they're releasing him

483
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 4: is to use the very complicated cat parlance. It's called

484
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: a post tune futt where you spread out money over

485
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Speaker 4: two years. So I think really the way I summarize

486
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 4: a lot of these moves is the Vikings are just

487
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 4: trying to It's a Pallette cleanser in many ways, and

488
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 4: they feel like they can plug some of these holes

489
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 4: and some of this talent via the draft and development internally.

490
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Speaker 4: Whether that's true, we'll find out together, but that's kind

491
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Speaker 4: of how they computed.

492
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: Where what's the latest we're getting regarding what's going to

493
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 3: be realistic on a Grenard trade? Are we talking about

494
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: a second round draft pick? Can they possibly hold out

495
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: for a first, what are we thinking?

496
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, the Max Crosby situation last night

497
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 4: really did have ramifications on the market as a whole.

498
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Speaker 4: I mean, I you had a lot of people within

499
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Speaker 4: the league saying that Philly was eyeings Trey Hendrickson for

500
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 4: a while, Washington commanders were kind of in on it.

501
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: Teams like the Indianapolis Colt and the Tampa Bay Bucks

502
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: have also been in on the edge rusher market. And

503
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 4: so the fact that Max Crosby goes back to the

504
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 4: Raiders and the fact that Balthmore Ravens eventually took Trey

505
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: Hendrickson off the market allows kind of the musical chairs,

506
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: or I'd say it allows teams like Philly and like

507
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 4: Indy and like Tampa to be stuck with that to

508
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: sit in in the edge rusher market. So they're you know,

509
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gernard now becomes within that market definitely the most

510
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: premium option and opportunity, and that comes at a cost.

511
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 4: You said, day two, pick would be pretty surprised at

512
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: this point if the Vikings moved in for anything less than.

513
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: Like a late second maybe.

514
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: Plus that's kind of how I feel, But I'm also

515
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: not convinced. I would say that they wouldn't even move

516
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 4: him for that, Like I try to make it clear

517
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: that the Vikings haven't want to the trade Johnsonernard, It's

518
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 4: just that his contractor has reached a point where he

519
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 4: and his agent Drew rosenhow feel like he.

520
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: Has earned more.

521
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: And so the way the Viking's like to operate is

522
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 4: that they are amicable, amicable, excuse me, with these types

523
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 4: of circumstances. So I'm not sure if anything is really

524
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: immitted there, and I also am not completely convinced that

525
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: something's going to happen because of the price and the

526
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 4: bargain that the hard bargain that the Vikings are driving

527
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 4: right now, all.

528
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 3: Right, I'm going to put our guy Alecluis on hold

529
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: for a second. Let maybe we try calling him back.

530
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: The signal is annoying people and it isn't great. I

531
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: don't know if he may be in a place where.

532
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: He's driving to the SEC turning at the issue.

533
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's in the car, so there's not much

534
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: we can do, Okay, Is it worth trying just to

535
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: call him back just to see if we get luckier

536
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: on another signal?

537
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: Because it's it's not very good.

538
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's it's it's almost Lavelle e

539
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: Neil the third like. So I would say we just

540
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: try it on to see if we get luckier. I

541
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: don't know how these things work, but it's just not

542
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: very good. Brats Shawn and Brian Kfean text line is

543
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: open at six four six eight six.

544
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: We'll try to continue with him. Don't forget.

545
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: Tim Kleishaw's going to join us at about four fifteen

546
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: with his own opinions.

547
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: On Kyler Murray. And you say, what the hell's he

548
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: got to do with it?

549
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: Well, he has very strong opinions as a huge Cardinals

550
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: fan over the years, and some experience with Kyler as well,

551
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: and I'm kind of curious to get his view on

552
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: that individual. And again he's it's become a great debate point.

553
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: It really has. Some people say, given the price, you're

554
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: obligated to do it. Others not convinced. So let's give

555
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: Alec a second shot. I thought we'd just try it

556
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: again because I know you're driving, and I appreciate you

557
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: coming on at all, because it's not the greatest of circumstance.

558
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: But I thought maybe we'd get a little lucky on

559
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: a slightly better signal as well.

560
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: Can I offer you this traide proposal?

561
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: Sure?

562
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: And see what you think of this? Well, I guess

563
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: the question would be is this would this be feasible?

564
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: Would the Bengals listen to a trade in which the

565
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: Vikings offer McCarthy, Grenard and two first round picks for

566
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow? First of all?

567
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: Is that too much? Is that something that might get

568
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: the Bengals attention?

569
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: Or is there still despite the news on them him

570
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: losing his best pass rusher, there's no indication still that

571
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: Burrow wants to leave.

572
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say, and hopefully you can hear me,

573
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: and being much better, much better war in my heart frankly,

574
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: But I would say that if that deal, if Cincinnati

575
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 4: were to listen to that deal, I think there would

576
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: be a lot of smiles and excitement in Egan, Minnesota.

577
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 4: I'd be pretty stunned at this point if that would

578
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: even get it done. And from everything that I've understood

579
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: is that the Bengals, I mean, just given Joe Burrow's

580
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: magnitude for them as a business, as a franchise, I

581
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 4: just don't think they've been willing to go down that road,

582
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: and that's why the vikings have been in you know,

583
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: that's why they've been linked to the names that they've

584
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: been linked because if you can't get those guys done

585
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: and there's not an obvious long term answer, you're tasked

586
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: with finding the best short term option. That's where they are, all.

587
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: Right, So let's get next to the to the quarterback situation.

588
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: Now.

589
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: I guess it's official that a Murray has been released.

590
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: A lot of the reporting across the country has been

591
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 3: people will be shocked if he doesn't end up in Minnesota.

592
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: Do you think it's pretty much a slam dunk based

593
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: on the people you've talked to and what you've heard,

594
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: or and how quickly do you think this will be resolved?

595
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think there's a very high problem ability

596
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: right now that Kyler Murray will be in Minnesota in

597
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. It's it's it's been interesting to talk

598
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: to people. I think there are you know, within the league,

599
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: there is an opinion from people who know Tyler really

600
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 4: well that the idea of the structure in Minnesota would

601
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 4: be really good for him. And then on you know,

602
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: people who know Kevin O'Connell and the Viking side believe that.

603
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: He will be able to.

604
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: Maximize a veteran quarterback like he's done in the past.

605
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: So as far as how quickly I expect this to happen, obviously,

606
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: the first domino just happened in the sense that Arizona

607
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 4: released him at long last, and so now he is

608
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: free to speak to teams, and I wouldn't be surprised

609
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Speaker 4: if he's in Minnesota at some point within the next

610
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: I don't know, twenty four hours and there is some

611
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: kind of physical and resolution.

612
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: But it also wouldn't.

613
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: Surprise me given you know the idea that it plays

614
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: one season on a minimum, that he would become a

615
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 4: free agent next offseason, that meeting with teams and establishing

616
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 4: conversation will only benefit him monetarily moving forward. So if

617
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 4: there is a hold up, that would be why in

618
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: my opinion.

619
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 3: I want to read you a tweet from a competitive

620
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: network ESPN. Josh winefuss with Kyler Murray expected to be

621
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: released by the Cardinals today and he now has been.

622
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: A source told him that Kevin O'Connell and Falcons coach

623
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: Kevin Stefanski each did extensive research into murray on their own. Now,

624
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: if that report is accurate, does that mean that Stefanski

625
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: ultimately decided we don't even want to really try to

626
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: be in the ballpark for him, even if we have

627
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: a chance given I think, at least for the moment,

628
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: I believe they've gone another direction.

629
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that?

630
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, I've seen some people you know, insinuate that.

631
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 4: I think so much of it is. Obviously it's going

632
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: to come down to what Tyler wanted as well, and

633
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 4: where Tyler felt like the best sit would be. And

634
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: while Atlanta does have a lot to offer in terms

635
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: of talent and both offensively and defensively, and while Kevin

636
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 4: Stefan's excuse me is respected, No, I don't think if

637
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 4: you if you polled executive coaches scouts within the league

638
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 4: and ask them their their opinion about Tyler versus Tua,

639
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: I would be pretty shocked if you didn't get a

640
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: resounding Tyler from everyone who you know, if they were

641
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 4: in this position that these teams are in.

642
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've asked you this, I've asked

643
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: everybody else this. And if it's a repeat, that's okay,

644
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: because we get in and out of this stuff pretty quickly.

645
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: But are you in the group that assumes.

646
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: That, indeed, if you are going to sign Kyler, you're

647
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: signing him telling him you're the starter for twenty twenty six.

648
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I cannot fathom a world in which

649
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: you would frame it, you know, realistically, as a true

650
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: competition when you have one guy who has won Pro

651
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 4: Bowls and started for seven seasons and another who's played

652
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: ten games. I mean, that just would not add up

653
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: to me. I've had multiple people director personnel level of

654
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 4: people within the league say to me since the Kyler

655
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: conversations emerged, like this would be a major upgrade for

656
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: the Vikings. That's how others would perceive it and do it.

657
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 4: So it does. The obvious question if this does come

658
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Speaker 4: to fruition, which is the expectation, is what then happens

659
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Speaker 4: with JJ McCarthy, And I mean you go down many

660
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 4: roads there. One would be I don't believe right now

661
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Speaker 4: he and his representation, Brian A. Rald of w ME

662
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 4: have much leverage with the situation. The Vikings obviously would

663
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Speaker 4: also have to weigh just that dynamics from a personality

664
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Speaker 4: fit within the quarterback room, the future from that standpoint.

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Speaker 4: But if you are signing Kyler Murray, a guy who

666
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Speaker 4: has a commons what he's accomplished, to sell it as

667
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Speaker 4: a quarterback competition, I mean, it's a really lofty attempt

668
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Speaker 4: at trying to do that, in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a collaboration question, because you had

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Speaker 3: mentioned I think you've written this that if we look

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Speaker 3: back on last offseason, within the building, there were some

672
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Speaker 3: individuals who thought the Vikings should do more than kick

673
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Speaker 3: the tires on Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Now, ultimately they obviously went another way.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if similarly, you get any sense that within

676
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Speaker 3: the organization there is some sentiment for let's ride it out.

677
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Speaker 3: With JJ Man it looked bad at times, but we

678
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Speaker 3: saw something.

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Speaker 2: He did get a little bit better.

680
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Speaker 3: Let's ride this thing out and truly find out that

681
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Speaker 3: we're not pulling the plug too early. Does that any

682
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Speaker 3: of that sentiment you think exist in that building.

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question, and I guess the short

684
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Speaker 4: answer would be I haven't gotten a lot of that. Frankly,

685
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Speaker 4: I mean I would be. I think i'd be. I

686
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Speaker 4: wouldn't be telling the truth to go out there on

687
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Speaker 4: a limb and say that I have heard a lot

688
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Speaker 4: of it. I just I do think there is a

689
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Speaker 4: level of, you know, belief and faith that over the

690
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Speaker 4: course of time, perhaps there is a massive developmental step

691
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Speaker 4: and that JJ would eventually be you know, this would

692
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Speaker 4: be a catalyst to major development on and off the field.

693
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Speaker 4: But I get the sense from talking to people internally

694
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Speaker 4: that that is a that is a hurdle to climb,

695
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Speaker 4: and believing that that that hurdle can be climbed in

696
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Speaker 4: short order would just be you know, I think it's

697
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Speaker 4: just too lofty, Like there is a if anything, I

698
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Speaker 4: think there is a sense of comfort from people in

699
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Speaker 4: conversations that I've had that the Vikings will be bringing

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Speaker 4: in a guy who has accomplished what Kyler Murray has

701
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Speaker 4: and and to potentially, even though there are elements to

702
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 4: his game and his personality that are worth talking about,

703
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: that he can eventually and potentially stabilize the situation at

704
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Speaker 4: a level that it hasn't been stabilized since Sam.

705
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Speaker 1: Darnold was here switch briefly at least a wide receiver

706
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Speaker 1: with the nailor news him leaving, does that almost force

707
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Speaker 1: the Viking's hand on spending and being committed to Addison

708
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Speaker 1: despite some of the concerns that I assume still exist

709
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Speaker 1: regarding his maturity.

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Speaker 2: Where are we on that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with Jordan Addison, I mean this year,

712
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Speaker 4: this time period, the Vikings by may will have to

713
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Speaker 4: decide on his fifty year option. But I view it,

714
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Speaker 4: and from my understanding, the Vikings are going to view

715
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Speaker 4: it to where it's just kind of an evaluation time

716
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Speaker 4: for Jordan Addison, Like can he put together the off

717
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: season that he put together on the field last season.

718
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Speaker 4: That's a question that they want to answer. And then

719
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Speaker 4: can he stay on the straight and arrow and from

720
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Speaker 4: an off the field standpoint, and if he checks boxes,

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Speaker 4: you can potentially put yourself in a position to make money.

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Speaker 4: But I don't I don't think the Vikings are going

723
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Speaker 4: to lock themselves in on Jordan Addison just because Jalen

724
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Speaker 4: Naylor is going home to Las Vegas. I'd say with

725
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Speaker 4: type Felton, the third round pick from last year, there

726
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Speaker 4: is some tepet optimism there with the explosiveness that he

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Speaker 4: may may present. I also wouldn't be surprised if the

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Speaker 4: Vikings add another receiver that's maybe a different body type.

729
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Speaker 4: But this time periods, the Vikings aren't necessarily in a

730
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Speaker 4: position where they have to declare on Jordan Addison. So

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Speaker 4: I just think they're gonna view it as a as

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Speaker 4: a short term evaluation and and gather as many facts

733
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Speaker 4: in terms of who he is before making that final decision.

734
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Speaker 3: Are we going to get our center via free agency

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Speaker 3: or the draft?

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Speaker 4: The drafts would be my my lean there. I would say,

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Speaker 4: I do know there was some interest level in kind

738
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Speaker 4: of a lower level center named Luke Fortner who has

739
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Speaker 4: played in New Orleans. He signed last night or agreed

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Speaker 4: to terms with the Carolina Panthers, and so just the

741
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Speaker 4: center market as a whole, I mean Tyler Linderbaum at

742
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Speaker 4: the top, signed for an exorbitant amount of money, and

743
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Speaker 4: then after that, I don't felt like the Vikings were

744
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: bought in on Cade Mays who agreed to terms with

745
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Speaker 4: the Lions, on Elton Jenkins who agreed to terms with

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Speaker 4: the Browns, And there are a bunch of centers in

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Speaker 4: the draft who the Vikings like. It's a pretty respected

748
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Speaker 4: center class, so that being the route that they go

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Speaker 4: would be my expectation. Then there is a little bit

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Speaker 4: of faith in Blake Brandell and further development, and I

751
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Speaker 4: think ultimately the reason they didn't sign a guy like

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Speaker 4: Luke Fortner is just believing there wasn't a clear line

753
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Speaker 4: of demarcation in his talent versus a Blake Brandel.

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Speaker 2: Seven to one guy Wright.

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Speaker 1: Will you ask Alec what other names we should keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on via free agents or trade? Anybody intrigue

757
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: you or you think that still might intrigue the Vikings,

758
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: even if it might not be all that splashy.

759
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Speaker 2: Where are we at this point?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean i'd say the Vikings aren't. The way

761
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Speaker 4: I would describe how they've operated the last two weeks

762
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Speaker 4: is that they don't want to pay premiums for players

763
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: that they don't believe are premium level players. It's like

764
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 4: last year with free agency, did they want to spend

765
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Speaker 4: as much as they spent on Jonathan Allen, on Javon Hargrave,

766
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Speaker 4: on Wilf Fries. No, they ultimately did it to fill

767
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 4: some holes and we saw how that that worked out.

768
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Speaker 4: And so I feel like in many ways, their their process,

769
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Speaker 4: their approach has been kind of a course correction. So

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Speaker 4: to the question, I don't think at this point there

771
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 4: are a bunch of available free agent targets that the

772
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 4: team is jumping you know, over the moon. For I

773
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: would say, there was a guy David on your moo,

774
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Speaker 4: who's a defensive tackle, who signed for a pretty rich

775
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: deal with the New York Jets around ten million, Like

776
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: if his number was around seven, that might have been

777
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Speaker 4: a possibility. Travis etn Again, I do think they really

778
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: liked him at running back, but they weren't going to

779
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: go to fourteen to fifteen million a year. So that's

780
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Speaker 4: just that's part of the reason why there hasn't been

781
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 4: a flurry I think, like there's been in previous years.

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Speaker 1: Here.

783
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Speaker 3: Lance and Shaska can Alla confirmed that Kyler Murray is

784
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: demanding to not only have a chance to compete for quarterback,

785
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Speaker 3: but also to be captain of the wilf's Call of

786
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Speaker 3: Duty E gaming team.

787
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Speaker 4: That's exceptional. It's I told somebody this in the industry

788
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 4: last night, Like I am, and you guys know this,

789
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 4: Like I love when there is a narrative about a player,

790
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 4: and there are a ton of narratives about Kyler Murray.

791
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: Like one of my favorite things is to talk to

792
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: people within the league who are close to the situation

793
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: who are either defunk those narratives or validates him. And

794
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 4: so if Kyler Murray does become the Vikings quarterback for

795
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, it's gonna be a fascinating reporting foray

796
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 4: for me and I can't wait to do that. But

797
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: I can't. I'm not sure how invested the will sar

798
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 4: and call of duty, but I can get on that

799
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Speaker 4: after this week for sure.

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Speaker 3: Being the intrepid report you are, I'm sure you'll get

801
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: there eventually. So you're on your way to some basketball

802
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: tournament stuff, is that correct?

803
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Speaker 2: Yes?

804
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Speaker 4: So every year since I've been in fourth grade, my

805
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 4: father takes me to the SEC basketball tournament from Birmingham, Alabama,

806
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 4: So it's kind of our yearly tradition time that I

807
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: get to spend with him. And unfortunately last year it

808
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 4: was spent on the phone talking about Aaron Rodgers. Hopefully

809
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: this year it's not spend on the phone talking about

810
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray. But we love it. I love hoops, so

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Speaker 4: it's always a blast that's outstanding.

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Speaker 2: And where is it this year?

813
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Speaker 4: It's in Nashville, in Nashville, not home, spend some time

814
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: with the family, and then I get to go to

815
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 4: Nashville for an all expense paid by day trip on Broadway.

816
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how you can turn that down.

817
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: Away a little bit, but I assume still keeping one

818
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: eye on what's going on here.

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00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: You have to. There's no rest for the weird when

820
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: it comes to the National Football League.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy the way they have structured this league, in

822
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Speaker 4: the media environment within this league at this point is

823
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Speaker 4: I mean, you almost you tip your cat. But it's

824
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: also it just cannot be healthy. But yeah, I told

825
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: I told somebody the other day, like you're either in

826
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 4: the conversation and you feel like you know what's going on,

827
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Speaker 4: or you're just remove yourself entirely, And they're both appealing

828
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: some at other times than others. But at this time

829
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: of year, you kind of got to be in it.

830
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Speaker 4: So I will be on my phone seated next to

831
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Speaker 4: my dad watching Vanderbilt run up and down the court

832
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Speaker 4: against Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully there you go.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for helping us out today under these circumstances. Appreciate

835
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Speaker 3: your man. We'll be in touch anytime, Dan, Thank youle

836
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Speaker 3: alec Lewis covers the Vikings and the National Football League

837
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 3: for the Athletic A nice primer from him. We've got

838
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Speaker 3: some texts to I think maybe process and and offer

839
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Speaker 3: some reaction.

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Speaker 2: To we've got as I said, A it sounds to me.

841
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: And based on also what he's written that Alex Lewis

842
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: has already convinced that, based on the reporting he's done,

843
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray would be considered a significant upgrade. I don't

844
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: think our four fifteen guest is all as convinced. So

845
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: we're here to offer all viewpoints. Get all viewpoints out

846
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 3: because it seems inevitable that the Kyler Murray era of

847
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings football. You can't make it up. I can't

848
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: even imagine. I everyone was going to say that is

849
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Speaker 3: about to begin. So we'll get to that later at

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Speaker 3: Kessler is scheduled to join, according to the uglydeck dot

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Speaker 3: com guest lineup in studio at five thirte