WEBVTT - Mike Allen in for Scott 12/26/2025

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<v Speaker 1>News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Sloaney today,

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<v Speaker 1>as I will be, I believe every day next week.

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<v Speaker 1>So you stuck with me. Hope everybody had a good Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I did usual stuff, gifts, great food, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of beer here and there, but no, it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice. But it's also nice to get it over with,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I kind of have a theory as far

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<v Speaker 1>as Christmas goes. It's fun when you're a kid, it's

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<v Speaker 1>fun when you have kids, and it will be fun

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<v Speaker 1>again when you have grandkids. And just about a week ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was blessed with my first grandchild. I've got a granddaughter,

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<v Speaker 1>so really happy about that. And as the years go by,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Christmas is going to get back to being

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<v Speaker 1>fun again. But like I said, I hope you all

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<v Speaker 1>had a good Christmas too, But it is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have it over with. But this week, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a weird week, isn't it. I Mean half the

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<v Speaker 1>time I don't know whether I'm coming or going. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to stop and think about what day it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's kind of laid back too. I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up here, there's nobody on the roads. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really nice. I don't know that it'll stay like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Also heard the forecast today is a high of sixty four,

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<v Speaker 1>which is absurd for almost January. That's darn near convertible weather.

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<v Speaker 1>I know a few years back, I think it got

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<v Speaker 1>right around to that temperature and I said, what the heck,

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<v Speaker 1>I got mine out. Don't know if I'll do that

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<v Speaker 1>today though. Anyway, We've got a good show for you today.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going to talk at ten o'clock two

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<v Speaker 1>former Vice Mayor Christopher Smithman. Haven't talked to him in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, going to catch up with him and see

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<v Speaker 1>what's up with him and asking his thoughts on what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on in the city of Cincinnati. Ten thirty Janis

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<v Speaker 1>Heisel of the Epoch Times, And if you're a regular

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<v Speaker 1>listener to my Saturday show, I've had Janis on probably

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<v Speaker 1>every Saturday for the past four or five weeks. When

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<v Speaker 1>this story with the corruption in Minnesota, she is all

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<v Speaker 1>over that story, to the point where Nut Gingrich complimented

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<v Speaker 1>her on her coverage. So we're gonna talk to her

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<v Speaker 1>at ten thirty. There are some new developments. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell you something I've been around a while. I have

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<v Speaker 1>never seen anything like that. Pretty much agreed by everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>It is now up to nine billion dollars and counting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just I can't imagine how something like that could

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<v Speaker 1>go on in a relatively small state and nobody know

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<v Speaker 1>about it, nobody do anything about it. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>all knew about it. So Janis will catch us up

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<v Speaker 1>on that. And we're gonna have legal analyst Steve Gooden.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to call in at eleven, not going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the talk to him about the the latest

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<v Speaker 1>on Elwood Jones. He's the dude that caught the break

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<v Speaker 1>and his murder conviction was not reversed, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>dismissed by the prosecutor. And there was a big brew

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<v Speaker 1>haha between the prosecutor and the corner about some evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But this one. You can't write this one. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>make it up. A couple of days ago, he got

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<v Speaker 1>pulled over for an OVI. He got an OVI. He

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<v Speaker 1>got a failure to control. I think it is and

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<v Speaker 1>a leaving the scene of an accident. You know you

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<v Speaker 1>would think, wouldn't you. I mean? And he did sat

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<v Speaker 1>and sit in jail. I think for about I think

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<v Speaker 1>for about thirty years. You think you know, you get out,

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<v Speaker 1>you get your charges dismissed, you wipe the st slate clean.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point, I'm sure he'll get some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cash settlement from the state of Ohio. Then you go

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<v Speaker 1>out and do that. I mean, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't understand people a relatively light charge, the maxim

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<v Speaker 1>or the mandatory minimum on a first time OVI. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea. If he's got priors is three days,

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<v Speaker 1>and most judges go with that. But he fled from

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<v Speaker 1>the cops, and there's a lot of judges down there

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't real happy about that. So he may be

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<v Speaker 1>making a return visit, a brief visit to the Crowbar hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll just have to see. Well, the big

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<v Speaker 1>story is, and this is serious stuff. Woke up to

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<v Speaker 1>find Donald Trump launched a Christmas night airstrike against ISIS

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<v Speaker 1>he refers to his terrorist scum. It's hard to disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with that he did this in Nigeria after random and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently a pretty high number of killings of Christians. Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News reports to President Donald Trump said the US launched

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<v Speaker 1>airstrike in northwest Nigeria on Christmas night, targeting ISIS militants

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<v Speaker 1>he accused of killing Christians. Well, they are calling the

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<v Speaker 1>operation decisive and warning further attacks would follow if the

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<v Speaker 1>violence continues. Here's his statement, the President's statements. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to read this verbatim. It's classic Trump. Tonight, my

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<v Speaker 1>direction as commander in chief, the United States launched a

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<v Speaker 1>powerful and deadly strike against ISIS terrorists scum in northwest Virginia, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>northwest Nigeria. Well, that would have been a problem. Who

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<v Speaker 1>have been targeting and viciously killing primarily innocent Christians at

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<v Speaker 1>levels not seen for many years and even centuries. This

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<v Speaker 1>is all on truth social by the way. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to say, the President I have previously warned these

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<v Speaker 1>terrorists that if they did not stop the slaughtering of Christians,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be hell to pay. And tonight there was

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of War executed numerous perfect strikes, as only

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<v Speaker 1>the United States is capable of doing. And he closes

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<v Speaker 1>the statement with, under my leadership, our country will not

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<v Speaker 1>allow radical Islamic terrorism to prosper. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for that, mister President. That's long overdue, not from you,

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<v Speaker 1>but from previous administrations. Anyway, he goes on to say,

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<v Speaker 1>May God bless our military and merry Christmas, tall including

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<v Speaker 1>the dead terrorist, of which there will be many if

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<v Speaker 1>their slaughter of Christians continues. So you know, once again,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump love h Merchti. He just tells it like

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<v Speaker 1>it is. And it's not like he didn't say that

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<v Speaker 1>he would do something like this if the situation over

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<v Speaker 1>there didn't get better. I mean, you can't kill Christians

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<v Speaker 1>at random, you know, the Muslim faith. Say what you

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<v Speaker 1>want about it, but let's just be honest. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>our friends. They do not like us, and we do

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<v Speaker 1>not have to like them. I'm not talking about all

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not talking about all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's a majority, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>substantial number that don't and think they can kill Christians

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<v Speaker 1>and Jews. We all know about that from what happened

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<v Speaker 1>on October the sixth, But Trump says it, he's probably

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<v Speaker 1>going to do it, and so of these people just

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<v Speaker 1>don't seem to get it. So we'll see what happens

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<v Speaker 1>on the follow up to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't heard anything yet. I think it just happened

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<v Speaker 1>not hours ago, I guess, or maybe around twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours exactly what the damage was and what the body

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<v Speaker 1>count of Muslim terrorist is, so we'll find out about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, yeah, I tell you what. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you can either love him or hate him. But my

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<v Speaker 1>thought is one thought at least, is you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think what he's showing people. And this hasn't been true

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<v Speaker 1>since probably the administration of Ronald Reagan. You don't mess

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<v Speaker 1>with the United States of America. If we say something,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do it. We're the strongest country in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and we're starting to act like it again.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can, you know, curse his style, curse you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the way he does things. And he honks me off

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes too. I mean, you know, what he said about

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<v Speaker 1>the Rob Reiner and his family, that killing was just

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was despicable, and I know that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to make some people angry, but you know, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to do this job, you've got to be an honest broker.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just unnecessary. Having said that. On the substance,

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<v Speaker 1>he says what he's going to do and he does it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, radical Islamic terrorism is not gone. It's here,

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<v Speaker 1>and they think they are divinely inspired. So it's something

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<v Speaker 1>that we have to keep up on and the President

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<v Speaker 1>is doing that well. They got Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>He weighed in on this and he said, I commend

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump, Secretary Hegseeth, and our brave troops for these

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<v Speaker 1>strikes against bloodthirsty Isis savages who are not only persecuting

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<v Speaker 1>Christians but have also killed many Americans. Thank you, senator.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there was some other comment too the President.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Hegseeth again. The President was clear last month

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<v Speaker 1>the killing of it isent Christians in Nigeria and elsewhere

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<v Speaker 1>must end. He said. The Department of War is ready

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<v Speaker 1>and so isis found out as so isis found out

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<v Speaker 1>tonight on Christmas, more to come. You gotta think that

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<v Speaker 1>doing it on Christmas had to be something that was

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<v Speaker 1>thought out and not just a coincidence to send a message.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just not going to tolerate it. Grateful, grateful for

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<v Speaker 1>the Nigerian support and cooperation. Again, he said, Mary Chris, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what the at the basis of this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The move followed a surge on attacks on Christians and

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<v Speaker 1>Christian institutions in Nigeria last month. Gunman storm the christ

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<v Speaker 1>Apostolic church in Karwas State, killing two people and kidnapping dozens.

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<v Speaker 1>The thirty eight abducted worshipers were freed only a week later.

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<v Speaker 1>We're freed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly a week later. Days later, armed attackers rated Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's School, a school with kids obviously in Niger State,

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<v Speaker 1>abducting more than three hundred students and staff. School officials

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<v Speaker 1>said fifty students aged ten to eighteen escaped in the

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<v Speaker 1>following days, but two hundred and fifty three students and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve teachers remained captive. You know, there's your Islam, there's

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<v Speaker 1>your Muslim terrorist for you, let's pick on kids aged

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<v Speaker 1>ten to eighteen. I'm telling you you just can't deal

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<v Speaker 1>with these people. And if somebody wants to call me islamophobic,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what I could care less. I could care less.

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<v Speaker 1>It's high time we got serious about these people. And

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<v Speaker 1>again I have to say it, I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>all but a substantial number of same. So we'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on that and see what happens. I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to be interested in seeing what the count was

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<v Speaker 1>on something like that, and also obviously in the weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and months to come, whether it had any effect, which

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think that it did well. Our good

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<v Speaker 1>friend Kamala Harris back in the news. She was talking

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<v Speaker 1>on a podcast. She was actually on this podcast, it's

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<v Speaker 1>called Rich Little Broke Girls Podcast. I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>like three and a half hours or so, which for her,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Trump could speak for three and a half days,

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<v Speaker 1>but for hers kind of a big deal. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she said some very common Harris like things, no word

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<v Speaker 1>salads that I know of. But anyway, she made a comment.

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<v Speaker 1>She suggested that if someone mocks her cackle, guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sexist and anyone that does is out of touch. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>at least she didn't drag the R word out for

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<v Speaker 1>this one. That probably will come later. She made the

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<v Speaker 1>comment during eight an appearance on the Rich Little Broke

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<v Speaker 1>Girls podcast when she recalled a reporter asking her about

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<v Speaker 1>criticisms of lacking humility. Okay, here's Kamala, I don't aspire

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<v Speaker 1>to be humble. Humility. Yes, it's very important. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>dated perspective on women who women should be to say

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<v Speaker 1>women should be humble, women should be quiet, women should

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<v Speaker 1>laugh easily.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, she just never answers the questions I don't aspire

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<v Speaker 1>to be humble humility. Yes, well, I think they're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of closely related, Kamala, I'm not mistaken. And she goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to say women should not have a sense of humor,

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<v Speaker 1>women should not raise their and she's mocking people. Women

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<v Speaker 1>should not raise their voice. I have never felt burdened

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<v Speaker 1>by those very dated and I think out of touch standards,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And she goes on to say, like, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>some people love to talk about the way I laugh. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you something. I have my mother's laugh,

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<v Speaker 1>and I grew up around a bunch of women in

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<v Speaker 1>particular who laughed from the belly. And she does have.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a rather hearty laugh. Some may say a cackle,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's always at times that are not appropriate. But

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the whole point of all of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could say, yeah, maybe I do that, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just me. You know, people need to get over it

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<v Speaker 1>and not blame it on the F word, you know, feminism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because you know, we're all misogynistic. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why that woman is actually out on

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<v Speaker 1>the stump anyway. I mean, every time she opens her mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>she probably takes at least three or four points off

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<v Speaker 1>of her favorable polling information. Well, she goes on and says,

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<v Speaker 1>there are different phases in your life and you may

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<v Speaker 1>not know. Okay, this is classic Kamala. There are different

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<v Speaker 1>phases in your life and you may not know what

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<v Speaker 1>phase you're in. Maybe you're going to choose that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to have that kind of Friday night relationship, or

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<v Speaker 1>you want that Saturday morning relationship. I mean, think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could have both Friday morning and Friday

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<v Speaker 1>night then Saturday morning. I don't know what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>she's talking about. Thank you, Kama. I didn't know you

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<v Speaker 1>were listening, hope, But then you're an eight. You off

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<v Speaker 1>too much anyway, or you can or you want that

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday morning relationship. Sometimes you can get both, yeah, see,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes they are just oil and water, and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Be in those phases where you are having funds. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what point she was trying to get across,

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<v Speaker 1>other than no matter what, it ain't her fault. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a funny and annoying cackle. It's all the

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<v Speaker 1>result of sexism. So that's probably what you would have

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<v Speaker 1>expected from her. I know, it's what I would have expected.

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<v Speaker 1>For She did comment on her own marriage. Doug him

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<v Speaker 1>off a pretty powerful lawyer as I understand it. She

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<v Speaker 1>married him in twenty fourteen. She said, Doug and I

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<v Speaker 1>got married in our forties, and I love my husband

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<v Speaker 1>so very much. He's my best friend. So far, so good.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about it. We met in our twenties, or

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<v Speaker 1>had if we had met in our twenties, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that we would have really been in the same place,

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<v Speaker 1>she added. And you know what, that, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>a statement that makes some sense. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you just don't know. But there are some things about him,

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<v Speaker 1>m Off that I'm going to get into that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if it were a Republican or a conservative running

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<v Speaker 1>for president or vice president the United States, we certainly

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<v Speaker 1>would have heard about them. But hey, that's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>par for the course. Hey, we got to take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to tell you lots of time for

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<v Speaker 1>calls this morning. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>The big one are the numbers. If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of the fun. Here Mike Allen in for

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<v Speaker 1>Sloaney seven hundred WLW. They we're back. Mike Allen in

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<v Speaker 1>for sloaney, it's nine to forty. Well, I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>we got some good weather coming. This is almost convertible weather. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly cloudy, a little scattered ring, but a high of

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four. How about that tonight mostly cloudy, mild, low

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<v Speaker 1>forty three and tomorrow mostly cloudy, comfortable high of fifty five.

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<v Speaker 1>So I will definitely take that. Well, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about having a good Christmas, there's some dude in

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas that had an incredible Christmas talking about the powerball

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<v Speaker 1>player in Arkansas who won? Are you ready a one

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<v Speaker 1>point eight seventeen billion, not million billion dollar jackpot Wednesday?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a heck of a Christmas present. I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>way they do it or a lot of oh here

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Yeah. They reported lump some cash payment option

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<v Speaker 1>of eight hundred and thirty four point nine million bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, can you imagine that? You know, if I

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<v Speaker 1>think about it and I'm walking by some where they're

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<v Speaker 1>selling the tickets, I'll punk five bucks down. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I get five dollars worth of daydream and just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and you also think too, what would you

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<v Speaker 1>do with all that money? Yeah? I guess I'd pay

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<v Speaker 1>all my families, mortgages off, take care of my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I like gold cars. I'd probably buy a warehouse full

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and then yeah, great, not all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but a great deal of it. I'd give it away

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<v Speaker 1>to people. I mean, how cool would that be when

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<v Speaker 1>your your main job in life is to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>good causes to give money to. But that's a hell

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<v Speaker 1>of a jackpot to have won at one point eight

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen billion dollars. I remember it was in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>I think late seventies when Ohio first started their lottery.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think at the time it was affiliated with

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<v Speaker 1>other states. I think it was just kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>standalone deal. But you had to get It's not a

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<v Speaker 1>power ball. You had to get six out of obviously

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<v Speaker 1>to get the big one. One time my old man

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<v Speaker 1>got five out of six and I think he got

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<v Speaker 1>a couple thousand dollars. But those numbers are nothing compared

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<v Speaker 1>to what they are now. They have not identified, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I know, the guy that wanted, but I

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<v Speaker 1>hope it's someone that really needs it put it that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and has a kind of a generous streak in he

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<v Speaker 1>We shall see, I'll tell you hunter he Biden Hunter, Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought he was gone, he's not. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if his intent is to harm his father or not,

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<v Speaker 1>or he's just not smart enough to know what will

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<v Speaker 1>help him and what won't help him. This one is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>A wide ranging five and a half hour interview was

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<v Speaker 1>on The Sean Ryan Show. I guess it's a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>although I think it's on TV too, on December twenty second.

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<v Speaker 1>He addressed several highly controversial topics, the main one being

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<v Speaker 1>that they've reported on at least criticism of his father's

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<v Speaker 1>administration and his personal financial struggles. Okay, according to AI,

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<v Speaker 1>here are some of the key highlights from the interview.

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<v Speaker 1>He criticized the Biden administration pretty strongly. He described his father,

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<v Speaker 1>President Joe Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan and certain immigration policies

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm quoting catastrophic failures. Catastrophic failures. Yeah, that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>an understatement, especially with respect to the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter specifically called the immigration situation quote and obvious efing

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<v Speaker 1>failure close quote, noting that while vibrant immigration is needed,

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<v Speaker 1>the current lack of border security drains resources. Well, He's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about it. There is border security now. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>last week I think it was Tom Homan was being

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed somewhere. He said he got up in a helicopter,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, flew around looking at certain parts of the border,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing happening. He got a four wheeler from somebody, drove around,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing happened. Nobody getting into this country without first facing someone.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is no current lack of border security. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just finally it's under control. Well, then he talked

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<v Speaker 1>about his financial and legal issues, which are myriad. He

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<v Speaker 1>revealed that he is currently facing a proxy. Listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he probably should have won that lottery. Not really,

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<v Speaker 1>he's facing fifteen million bucks. He's fifteen million bucks in debt,

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<v Speaker 1>and he stated that he has quote no clue close

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<v Speaker 1>quote how he will pay it. Well, okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by a lot of people's account most notably the House

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<v Speaker 1>Oversight Committee. He got millions and millions and millions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars through all of his dealings with Ukraine as well

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<v Speaker 1>as I think China and some other places too. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you know it went around through like twenty four different accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, kids five years old getting money, and

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<v Speaker 1>he Biden walked on that it's just unbelievable, the biggest scandal,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, in this country's history. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>whole situation in Minnesota is going to be closely following it.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, he had all that money from that, he

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<v Speaker 1>has no clue how he's going to pay it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there is like a real big rift brewing

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<v Speaker 1>between his family and Obama. He blamed former President Obama's

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<v Speaker 1>aids for being quote distasteful close quote and forcing him

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<v Speaker 1>to restart his business career from square one. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know whoever interviewed him, but if that person that

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<v Speaker 1>just begs for a follow up, and the follow up

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<v Speaker 1>would be hunter, please explain that how did President Obama

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<v Speaker 1>force you to restart your business career from square one?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be interested in hearing what his answers, not really interested,

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<v Speaker 1>but curious to hear what his answer to that would be.

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<v Speaker 1>And this might be the best one.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>He blamed his father's very poor debate performance against the president.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't the president then, he Biden was Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>May have been caused by the use of are you

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<v Speaker 1>ready ambient? So you know it wasn't Joe Biden being

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<v Speaker 1>addled and cognitively impaired. Darn it was that darn ambient anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I hey, if you want to call seven four nine,

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<v Speaker 1>seven thousand, one, eight hundred the big one are the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do this. Let's take a short break and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back talk a little bit before the news. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Allen in for Sloaney, seven hundred WLW nine one excuse me, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>nine two News Radio, seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in

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<v Speaker 1>for Sloaney. We're going to the phones here. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Bob in Florida. Hey, good morning, Bob, Hey, good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, I'm good. What you got for me?

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to mention the small fraud number of

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<v Speaker 3>years back. You know, I worked from Delta Airlines to CVG,

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<v Speaker 3>and we had many everyone they were hiring was part

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<v Speaker 3>time here for us, and so many of these small

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<v Speaker 3>people and I'm thinking, Mike, God, where did they come from?

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<v Speaker 3>And they were traveling all the time because when you're

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<v Speaker 3>an airline employee, you can fly on the cheap international,

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<v Speaker 3>So they were traveling all the time over to their

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<v Speaker 3>home and h there.

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<v Speaker 4>Was one instance where one of their bags.

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<v Speaker 3>Their carry on or their suitcases got checked at twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two laptops in it and two geez, twenty two laptops.

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<v Speaker 4>And I still to this day, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know what kind of black market they have. I was

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<v Speaker 3>reading article where Ohio has the third most sorelly of

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<v Speaker 3>population in the country, which these people that worked there

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<v Speaker 3>at CBG they did live in Ohio, but just worthless

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<v Speaker 3>late be interesting to see if people really get locked

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<v Speaker 3>up politicians, well some of the with this wasteful, you

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<v Speaker 3>know nonsense, but don't their lines cater to them?

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<v Speaker 2>I take it, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've had a couple of callers to the show

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<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of weeks saying that Columbus a

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<v Speaker 1>very high population of some allions, and both of the

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<v Speaker 1>callers set maybe even more than that, said that hey

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<v Speaker 1>expect something to come out of Columbus with respect to

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff soon. So I guess we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>with respect of Minnesota. It's just hard to fathom how

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<v Speaker 1>something like that and it now is counting at nine

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, and number one, nobody would have known about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody in a position to do anything would know about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And number two, the media would not cover the story.

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked, I've seen, I've talked to Janis Heiseel. Matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, we're going to talk to her at ten

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty about it. Of the Epoch Times. She's all

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<v Speaker 1>over this, but it's a feeling apparently that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to comment on it and the media is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to report it because it will be seen as

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<v Speaker 1>a racist which is just absolute garbage. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>get ripped off to the tune of nine billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not allowed to say anything about it. I

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<v Speaker 1>honestly think, I honestly think we're just at the tip

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<v Speaker 1>of the iceberg with this thing. We really are, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what. I guess I lost him. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see, but it's I think we're just beginning. And

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<v Speaker 1>again Janis Heiseel at ten thirty she has written three

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<v Speaker 1>more articles about it, and yeah, I follow this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and she's on this, I think more than any other

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<v Speaker 1>national journalist. So she knows the scoop and we will

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<v Speaker 1>get it from her. At ten thirty, Hey, let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to Let's go to Larry. Hello, Larry, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Not bad for an old guy? Sir?

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<v Speaker 5>I doing great, and as a fellow former fellow police officer,

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<v Speaker 5>I cannot even imagine how law enforcement is feeling about

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<v Speaker 5>the county prosecutor's decision to let that gentleman out of

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<v Speaker 5>jail so he can commit more crime beyond the lass

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<v Speaker 5>that's going to happen because of the language that was used, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>to criticize the former prosecutor, but now that he is

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<v Speaker 5>committing new crimes, how in the world can she look

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<v Speaker 5>herself in the mirror?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what, when I was prosecutor, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just peripherally involved in it with different motions and things,

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<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, I know a little bit about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a heck of a lot. But boy, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what it sure seemed to me and still does,

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<v Speaker 1>that they had the goods on the guy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a tough job, prosecutor. It is. You got to

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<v Speaker 1>make tough, tough calls, and you know, she made one

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 1>that not everybody obviously agrees with. I'll tell you my

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>main problem with what she said. She said that, hey,

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm convinced he didn't do it. Now, I did look

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>at some of the evidence in the thing, and I

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>would be saying the otherwise I was convinced that he

0:28:57.400 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 1>did do it, So you know, I don't know, and

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>you get the situation where there's a wizen match between

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>her the prosecutor in the county corner doctor Simarco, who

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I think is an excellent coroner. That was that was

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>unfortunate that they had that two Democrats going at it too.

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>And then, as you say, not, but what three or

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 1>four days ago, dude goes out and gets an OVI

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>fleeing and eluding in some other charges too. Wouldn't you

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>think that if you're in that situation, that you would

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of try to walk the straight and arrow and

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>call a damn uber instead of driving. I mean, I

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>just I don't get it.

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 6>Well, I do get it, but miss Sad be walking,

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 6>you'd be walking on eggshells for a while. You would

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.640
<v Speaker 6>think you and kissing the ground that you're walking on.

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 6>But you know, I can't based on you know, limited

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 6>knowledge that I'm hearing on the radio and talk show

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.120
<v Speaker 6>and everything else. It sounds like the prosecutor never had

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 6>a conversation with Joe Dieters to test her theory before

0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 6>she launched it.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Am I right, I don't know, you know, I really

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I'm not privy to that, frankly, don't want

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>to be. I don't know, but I mean what's public

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>is public, and there are oodles and noodles, if you will,

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 1>of evidence that she could have looked, and she probably did.

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you what, She's got some top people

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in that office, in the upper ranks that I think

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>she said they looked it over too. But I think

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>if it were me, I guess, I guess it's a

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>little Monday morning quarterbacking. I would have said that, you know,

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:36.240
<v Speaker 1>to pursue this would not be a benefit to the taxpayers.

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe intimate a little bit somehow that yeah, he was guilty,

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>but I'm walking away from it. I don't agree with that,

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>but that would have been a way to kind of

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>soften a little bit. I do have to say this though,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean the prosecutor, Connie Pillich, is a Democrat. I'm

0:30:52.360 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>a Republican. I think she's done a pretty darn good

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>job so far. This I think is the main screw

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>up we shall.

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, I tried not to look at the politics.

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 6>I mean, she's she's in a position she's elected. Listen,

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 6>I got you, and I have a long background together.

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.800
<v Speaker 6>You know, I was around Simon Leeese and you and

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.719
<v Speaker 6>a lot of other people for a lot of years,

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 6>and you know you're in the position and to your point,

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 6>you're you're making tough.

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 7>Decisions and with the information you have.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 4>At the time.

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 6>Now, unfortunately we get second guests in the police and

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 6>law enforcement all the time by everybody, and.

0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 4>So I hate to jump on that bandwagon, but.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 6>This is just seems to me just like a black

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 6>eye that it's going to be harder to recover from

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 6>in this situation.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 2>But Mike, good to hear you on the radios.

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 7>I'm always a fan, and take.

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 6>Care and have a great New Year's If I don't.

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Talk to you, you too, Larry, thank you very much,

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and thanks for the call. Yeah, you know, it's just

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>a shame. I mean, probably should have been and some

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>communication I guess with the former prosecutor, not me, but

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Joe because it pretty much came down on his watch.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>And Joe is I know he talked about it. He's

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of in a difficult position too, being a Supreme

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Court justice. Judges are limited in what they can say publicly.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>From what I understand, Joe talked to Willie and no

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>lines were crossed there. But it's an unfortunate situation, it

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>really is. And you know, here's dude. He just gets

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 1>out of prison, it probably wasn't even a week or

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe two weeks and gets jammed up on this stuff.

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess it just kind of shows where his head is. Hey,

0:32:40.800 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 1>we got to take a break for the news. But

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>when we get back, looking forward to this, We're going

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>to catch up with Christopher Smithman. I'm gonna ask him

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 1>his opinion on what's going on in the city with

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>all the crime stuff and just a lot of things.

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I want to catch up with christ fraud and we'll

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 1>do that when we get back. Mike Allen and for

0:32:57.200 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Slowey seven hundred WLW News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Allen in for Sloaney on the day after Christmas. Hope

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>everyone had a good Christmas. I did, but always glad,

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of glad when it's over. You know what, there's

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>so many things going on in our city and our

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.479
<v Speaker 1>state and in the country and in the world. And

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I always like to check in with our good friend

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Christopher Smitheman to see what he's thinking about things. And

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 1>he's on the line, and we're going to talk to

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>him today. Hey, good morning, Christopher.

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 4>Hey, good morning Mike, and look, Merry Christmas you too,

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 4>and happy New Year to you and your and your family.

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 1>You too, Christopher. Do you have a good Christmas?

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 4>Wonderful Christmas. All the kids were on the rotation for Cincinnati,

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 4>so I had them all next year. I won't. That's

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 4>a part of it, right, right, They rotate out to

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 4>their spouses and there and their significant others. So this

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 4>year was my year, and I really enjoyed them.

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Good. I'm glad to hear that. Well, what's your thought

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 1>on what's going on out in the world. I mean,

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>in this country. You have the situation out there in Minnesota,

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>which I don't know if you're following that, Christopher, but

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's incredible with the fraud going on there.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 1>That's actually a new term has been coined, fraud tourism,

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 1>to where people are recruited by other fraudsters to say, hey,

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>come on out here, you can make a lot of money.

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's unbelievable to me. What are your thoughts?

0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, I agree, and I think that the number is

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 4>gonna hit nine billion dollars, nine with a billion with

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 4>a B you know, the original one billion, So we've

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 4>gone from one billion to nine billion. I think there

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:57.240
<v Speaker 4>were thirteen people maybe indicted in the last yes, two weeks,

0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 4>and there's going to be more. And the sad part

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 4>about I know you're highlighting it is, Look, this is

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 4>medicaid fraud. This is where the people in our society

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 4>who need resources, Americans, veterans, they're all depending on these resources.

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:16.439
<v Speaker 4>So to see people going out and frauding us out

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 4>of nine billion dollars, it just undermines the entire system.

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 4>And the other part of it is that the taxpayers,

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 4>it's our money, that hard earned money. I'm not just

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.959
<v Speaker 4>think about how hard I worked in twenty twenty five

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 4>to make what I made, you know, to feed my family,

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 4>and I don't want to waste money. And I don't

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 4>want to wake up and hear that the government wasted

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 4>nine big because when we say nine billion, is we're

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:42.280
<v Speaker 4>talking to federal government, so we're talking the entire country.

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 4>Everybody is putting their money in that same pot. So

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 4>this is a terrible situation. And I just do not

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 4>understand why the Democrats are unwilling to call out the fraud,

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 4>and then those who do call out the fraud. And

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:56.960
<v Speaker 4>this is the saddest part is they run to their

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 4>corner of playing racial politics, as if talking about this

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 4>makes you and me a racist because we're talking about

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 4>Somalians who were defrauding Minnesota and all of us across

0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 4>the federal you know, every every state is impacted because

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.640
<v Speaker 4>it's these are federal dollars for medicaid. Why the Democrats

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 4>aren't calling this out when they say they care about

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 4>the poor, they care about safety, death services, these are

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 4>the things that undermine Medicaid and we've got to get

0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 4>this fraud out of our systems absolutely.

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 1>And you know, some of the Democrats are complaining about

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the federal oversight, saying, well, this is all about Trump

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>just trying to embarrass Tim Walls, you know, blah blah blah,

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. And nobody's stepping forward to say, hey, we

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.919
<v Speaker 1>screwed up, and we screwed up big time, and we're

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 1>going to do whatever we can do to fix it.

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, Janis Heisel is reported on this thing, Christopher,

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I think, probably better than anyone in the country. As

0:36:56.400 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, Nuke Gingrich complimented her for her coverage.

0:37:00.640 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>She's on it like white on rice and she I'm

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna talk to her at ten thirty. She dug down,

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>and I guess there have been a lot of tax

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>increases in Minnesota because of what's going on. So you

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>got the situation where you know, ordinary taxpayers are really

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>funding the fraud. It's just it's something that's not tenable.

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 1>It's got to stop. And accountability is kind of a

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>word that's losing its meaning unfortunately. But you gotta have

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 1>it here, you gotta do.

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:37.400
<v Speaker 4>And the sad part about it is, I'm not feeling

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 4>this sense that when when these people come up for

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 4>reelection that anything different will happen.

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:43.479
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 4>And so that's the sad part about it. And you know,

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm hearing that we have some might have some issues

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.359
<v Speaker 4>in the state of Ohio. I pray that we get

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 4>to the bottom of any medicaid any fraud, but any

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:59.480
<v Speaker 4>medicaid fraud that we are experiencing. Every governor across the

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 4>United States of America, this should be a wake up

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 4>and everybody should be fact checking, looking and making sure

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 4>that levels of fraud are not happening in any part

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.680
<v Speaker 4>of their state because this undermines the entire system and

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't make anybody a racist. All of us should

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 4>be using social media to highlight this. We should be

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 4>putting a flashlight on it, because these are our tax

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 4>dollars at the end of the day, and I just

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 4>worked so hard, I paid so much in taxes that

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 4>these are the kinds of things that really send me

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 4>over the top. Mike Allen, I can't, I can't afford.

0:38:35.719 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 4>I feel like I make money, and I feel like

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 4>at the end of the year, I feel poorer than

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 4>I did the previous year. And the Americans out there

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.919
<v Speaker 4>that feel that way, it's unacceptable. So the people out

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 4>there that are making one hundred thousand, sixty thousand, fifty thousand,

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm look sure how much your federal dollars, some percentage

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 4>of it are in this pool of money that you

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 4>that Mike Allen and I are talking about, and they

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 4>defrauded us all And the last thing about it is,

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 4>and this is the scariest is they were sending the

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 4>money possibly possibly.

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:07.800
<v Speaker 2>The fund terrorists.

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>Yes I forgot that, taking the.

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 4>Money, sending it back, and now all of a sudden

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 4>it boomerangs back in some kind of way that a

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 4>terrorists act against our interests we're funding with our federal dollars.

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 4>So any Democrat out there, this is a non partisan issue.

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 4>This is not about Democrats or Republicans. The Democrats they're controlling.

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 4>So we're discussing any of us as Americans should say

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 4>this is wrong, and we're calling it out. Unfortunately, the

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.919
<v Speaker 4>congressional members, everybody's running to their corners and basically saying,

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 4>anybody that talks about this, you're calling out Somalians and

0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 4>now you are a racist. I'm not a racist to

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 4>talk about the fraud and abuse that's happening around this

0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:50.800
<v Speaker 4>nine billion dollars.

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and I think we've just scratched the surface on it.

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you to Christopher. Obviously, myself and

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 1>many many others were hopeful that we see you on

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:03.799
<v Speaker 1>city Council, back on council in the year twenty twenty six.

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Didn't happen. I hope and a lot of other people

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 1>do too. And I'm not kidding you that this isn't

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.799
<v Speaker 1>the end of the road politically for Christopher Smithman. But

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the City

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of Cincinnati as we go into the new year. Obviously,

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 1>you were very critical during the campaign as you were

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be. But your thoughts on the direction that

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the city of Cincinnati is headed with a completely democrat

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>city council. I don't think a Republican and maybe like

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 1>yourself and independent is ever going to get elected to

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>that thing anymore based on what happened. But just kind

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>of broadly your thoughts on the city as we go

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>into the new year.

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm concerned. I'm just as concerned.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 4>They for me, these weren't political talking points. And I

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 4>think the things that you and I talked about prior

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 4>to the election have also proven to be true. I

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 4>think the settlement of the eight point one million was corruption.

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.160
<v Speaker 4>And the reason I had defined it as corruption, this

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 4>is the settlement after and during the George Floyd incident.

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 4>And I thought what happened to George Floyd was wrong.

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 4>I think that it was police misconduct, but it wasn't

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 4>the City of Cincinnati. He had nothing to do with us.

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 4>Why were there protesters in our downtown doing anything, setting fires,

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.960
<v Speaker 4>blocking roads, whatever they were doing down there that cost

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.239
<v Speaker 4>some of them to be detained. And so I'm very

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 4>concerned about it. And they knew they were in settlement talks.

0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 4>If I were the mayor, there is no way I

0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.160
<v Speaker 4>would have settled this case. We would have gone a

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 4>trial and I would have had a jury come back

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:39.360
<v Speaker 4>and say, hey, the city did something wrong. And I

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 4>think if a jury had seen this, there's no way

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:44.719
<v Speaker 4>that they would have awarded ten million dollars or eight

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 4>point one million and lawyers getting two million dollars. It

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 4>just wouldn't have happened. The other thing I think I

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.839
<v Speaker 4>want to highlight is that all of the shootings that

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 4>continue to happen in our city. You know, we got

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.359
<v Speaker 4>a majority of Democrats, and I Mike, and I'm not kids.

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.080
<v Speaker 4>These aren't just talking. But I don't know what the

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 4>plan is. I have no sense of what city council

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 4>and the mayor are doing as far as they comprehensive

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.960
<v Speaker 4>plan to deal with crime across our fifty two neighborhoods.

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 4>And the reality of it is, I just saw another

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 4>business or remember which one of private businesses said Hey,

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm relocating. You're gonna see more of that throughout the year.

0:42:18.280 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 4>Because I am a small business owner. You've got to

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 4>be worried about your employees, and you've got to be

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:27.239
<v Speaker 4>worried about your customers. So people are thinking, Hey, my

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 4>person is coming downtown, my employees are going home at night.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm worried about them. And if they feel that they're

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 4>not secure, they're not gonna want to work for that company.

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.239
<v Speaker 4>By the way, that then impacts what we say recruitment

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:43.759
<v Speaker 4>and retention, and businesses can only take so much of that,

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 4>and they're gonna say, listen, I'm gonna relocate to another state.

0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to go right across the line to Kentucky.

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go across the line in Indiana, or I'm

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 4>gonna move out into the suburbs where i don't have

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 4>to deal with that. And my employees feel comfortable coming

0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 4>and going from work. They can come at five in

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:00.920
<v Speaker 4>the morning, they can leave at eight o'clock at night.

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 4>But if you have an employee that says it's getting

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.879
<v Speaker 4>dark at five, I'm uncomfortable walking to my car, which,

0:43:06.960 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 4>by the way, Mike, some of them are uncomfortable and

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 4>should be uncomfortable. Those companies are going to relocate. So

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.399
<v Speaker 4>my point is that city Hall must do a better job.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 4>If they have a plan, they should a comprehensive plan,

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 4>they should articulate that plan, and they still don't. I

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 4>don't have a sense that they're supporting our police, and

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 4>so you can't solve crime in any city without supporting police.

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that goes without saying. But I don't think

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 1>they get it. You know, I agree with what you're saying.

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Our downtown is a duel. I mean, it just is.

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's anyone like it in the country.

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I love going downtown and I'm still doing it, but

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:44.879
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people. I'll say, Hey, did

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>you go down to see this play at Aaron Off

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>or whatever? And the response is on, I'm not going downtown.

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 1>And it's not to the point now where these places

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.720
<v Speaker 1>are closing down, although some of them are, But man,

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's where we're There was a lot of

0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 1>money I think, in most ways wisely spent on downtown,

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the core of the city. If that stuff keeps on happening,

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>you know they're gonna have to board them up and

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>go somewhere else. It's it's really really I think at

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:17.880
<v Speaker 1>a turning point. And I don't know that that council

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>is all jassed up about it like they should be.

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 4>No, they're they're they're not. And you know, again, Unfortunately,

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.759
<v Speaker 4>our city council is still bathing in identity politics and

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 4>they're they're they're short armed solutions. And that includes the

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 4>that includes the mayor. I mean, when you think about

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.439
<v Speaker 4>it's embarrassing to talk about, but its reality. His car

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 4>being his cars in revote, I mean, that is so embarrassing.

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 4>It's it's it's almost unimaginable. The settlement, the money that

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 4>they then pay the contractor, Irish Rowley, all of it's

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:54.359
<v Speaker 4>happening after the elections of voters didn't even go in

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 4>having all the information. Our reporters in this town are lazy.

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 4>We used to have, you know, a paper of record

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.759
<v Speaker 4>that would dig in, ask questions, and not even one

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 4>article I'm criticizing and publicly that says, hey, mayor, why

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't we know about the settlement? If you were in

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 4>settlement talks prior to the election, this is a big

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 4>deal for voters. But the mayor and the administration, they

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 4>were hiding this information from the voters. I call that corruption.

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 4>It's a it's a major problem. But last thing I'll

0:45:24.680 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 4>say to you, brother, is George Floyd, I didn't I

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 4>want to highlight this so that that I want to

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 4>speak to the to this matter one. You know, I

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 4>don't think what happened to him should have happened. But

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 4>this wasn't a choir boy. I mean, George Floyd had

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 4>an extensive criminal record, right, and so it's like they

0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:48.320
<v Speaker 4>built this guy up like he was this wonderful citizen

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 4>that followed the law and had no problems in boom

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 4>boom bam, boom bam. This is not somebody that I

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 4>would want it running around with any of my sons.

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 4>I got four sons. This is not I would say,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.439
<v Speaker 4>Oh no, George, for you can't hang with my kids.

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 4>You're out here doing too much crazy stuff. Right, You're

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 4>gonna get my kid killed. My point is that it's

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 4>always amazing how they try to rehabilitate the reputations of

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:15.400
<v Speaker 4>people when the reality of it was he probably he probably,

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.919
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it's just sure gave his mother heartburns

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 4>for her whole life. Like this guy, where are you?

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 4>What are you doing? What decisions are you making? Who

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 4>are you hanging with? Why are you involved with that?

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 4>What do you do? I mean, I'm guarantee you as mother,

0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:29.919
<v Speaker 4>his grandmother and aunts and uncles were trying to get

0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 4>this guy to make good decisions and he wasn't making them,

0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 4>and that ultimately he paid a serious price because of

0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 4>all of those interactions he was having with law enforcement.

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:41.959
<v Speaker 4>I don't have that issue with my kids. I don't

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 4>have that with my four boys. I mean, I just

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.080
<v Speaker 4>don't deal with that. My wife and I were very

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 4>hard on them, make sure we help them accountable. We

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 4>knew where they were, where they were going, who their

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 4>friends were. We need more parenting going into twenty twenty

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 4>six where parents know where they are and stop leaving

0:46:58.880 --> 0:47:01.560
<v Speaker 4>that work up to our cop and our prosecutors and

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 4>our judges and our teachers. This is a parent issue.

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 4>We have parentless fatherless homes. We've got to address it

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty six. And anybody listening, is this turn

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 4>your life around. If you haven't talked to your kids,

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 4>you don't know where your kids are. If you're not

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:19.399
<v Speaker 4>paying child support, you're not supporting the children that you made.

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 4>It's not the government government's responsibility to pay for a

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 4>child that you made. If we're not handling that business

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 4>in twenty twenty six, guess what our constant teachers and

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 4>our firefighters are going to have the same problems they

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.360
<v Speaker 4>had in twenty twenty five a city councilor the mayor

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 4>with no plan to deal with the crime because they

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:38.720
<v Speaker 4>want to hold everybody's hands. And we have young people

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.359
<v Speaker 4>that feel like accountability is not on the table for.

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Them, and that's a problem. That is the most important word,

0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>you know. They talk about affordability, of course, that's important. Accountability,

0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I think is equally important, and it's missing in so

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>many facets of our life going into twenty twenty six. Christopher,

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>around of time. I really appreciate you catching up with us,

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>and I hope we can call on you again.

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.919
<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much, Mike Allan again, Happy new year

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.760
<v Speaker 4>to you and your entire listening audience. People can follow

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 4>me on social media on x at vote Smitherman. Please

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 4>go and follow me.

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, all right, thank you, all right, Christopher Smithman. And

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I've said it in the intro. I'll say it again.

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I hope we've not seen the last of that young

0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:26.920
<v Speaker 1>man in the political world tough anymore, in the city obviously,

0:48:26.960 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and in the county too. For a he's an independent,

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.800
<v Speaker 1>conservative independent. But if I know Christopher, he's not finished.

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:37.359
<v Speaker 1>And I certainly hope that's the case. Hey, we got

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to take a break for the news button. When we

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:42.520
<v Speaker 1>get back, we're going to talk to Epoch Times senior

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:47.120
<v Speaker 1>reporter Janis Heil. She filed three stories. One is a

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty page story just about what the heck's going on

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:54.040
<v Speaker 1>in Minnesota. She's on that thing like white on Rice,

0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 1>and you're not going to believe some of the things

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 1>that she found out. And we'll talk to Janis when

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:02.320
<v Speaker 1>we get back. Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 1>WLW ten thirty six News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:18.439
<v Speaker 1>allen In for Sloaney will be all next week as well. Well,

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what the beat goes on in Minnesota

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:26.720
<v Speaker 1>with this fraud that they've uncovered out there. It seems

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>to me like the thought is there at least at

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 1>nine billion dollars and probably headed for quite a bit more.

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times has been on this

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 1>story like white on Rice in my opinion and in

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Newt Gingrich's opinion as well. She is the national reporter

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that's covering this thing the most thoroughly, and she filed

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:56.520
<v Speaker 1>three stories this week. One a very very comprehensive story

0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 1>if you're interested and you haven't. You haven't read any

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 1>of her stuff yet. This one is how Minnesota Minnesota nice,

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and Janis is gonna explain that how Minnesota nice progressive

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.880
<v Speaker 1>policy's paved the way for Somali fraud. Janie, thanks so

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 1>much for joining us this morning.

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 8>Well, thank you. Well, what an introduction.

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 7>I appreciate that.

0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Up very Christmas, I mean, Merry Christmas to you too.

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. This story goes twenty three pages

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.640
<v Speaker 1>and it is I mean, it's got everything in it.

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>And as I said, I think the plot just thickens,

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't it.

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 8>Oh, it's hard to even know where to start in

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:37.640
<v Speaker 8>some ways.

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, what's the new? What did you find out

0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 1>since we last talked. I know, the fraud is just

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.120
<v Speaker 1>it just keeps going up and up and up. But

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>just kind of some of the major points that you

0:50:50.080 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>have discovered recently.

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, it's almost like one of those soap

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 8>operas that people were addicted to back in the day

0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:02.600
<v Speaker 8>when we last left our or our bad guy. Here's

0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:05.480
<v Speaker 8>what was going on, and the latest thing that happened

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 8>was just a couple of days ago. Kelly Loffler, who

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.800
<v Speaker 8>is the head of the small business administration wrote a

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:16.640
<v Speaker 8>letter to Tim Wallash telling him that she's cutting off

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 8>five point five million dollars. Now, that sounds like a

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.360
<v Speaker 8>drop in the bucket, and when you compare it to

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 8>nine billion dollars, but it is, you know, a chunk

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.319
<v Speaker 8>of money that you know. She's saying, Look, you're not

0:51:29.320 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 8>going to get this money because Minnesota cannot be trusted

0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:36.960
<v Speaker 8>to safeguard these tax payer dollars. So that's the start,

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.239
<v Speaker 8>and there's also quite a few efforts to try to

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 8>claw back some of the money from the people who

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 8>have already been convicted. But Mike, as you know as

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 8>a former prosecutor, the forfeiture process is not a flick

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:51.920
<v Speaker 8>the switch and you've got the money.

0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 1>It takes a while. It takes a while if it

0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:57.960
<v Speaker 1>happens at all. And if people in Minnesota are counting

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.640
<v Speaker 1>on restitution to make the tax expayers, holl I'm telling

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:03.319
<v Speaker 1>you right now, it ain't gonna happen, and it's not

0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 1>even gonna come close. In your story that I talked

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>about in the intro of Minnesota Nice Progressive Policies at

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.919
<v Speaker 1>page four, I just want to read one paragraph here

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:16.160
<v Speaker 1>because it's just incredible. You talk to a guy named Ed,

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>just a normal citizen, I guess, and he said, this

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:24.920
<v Speaker 1>is Ed. There's a willingness to help everybody without any consequences.

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 1>And then you write this attitude made the state a

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 1>beacon for progressives. It also manifested in generous welfare benefits.

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Here it is in twenty twenty three, those programs that

0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 1>you've described previously doled out forty six thousand dollars for

0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:46.319
<v Speaker 1>each person in poverty in Minnesota, which is the nation's

0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 1>second highest amount, behind only Massachusetts. When I saw that

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.440
<v Speaker 1>forty six thousand buck figure, I mean, you know, ibow

0:52:55.560 --> 0:53:00.080
<v Speaker 1>lost it, and that's forty six thousand probably most of

0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:02.800
<v Speaker 1>our money, I mean national money from all over the

0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.960
<v Speaker 1>United States. I mean, that's pretty incredible, wouldn't you think?

0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 6>Jeez?

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 8>I tell you just anytime the dollar amounts start to

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:14.720
<v Speaker 8>come out about this whole scandal, it's just eye popping.

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:17.960
<v Speaker 8>Another one that is a lot of people are not

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.640
<v Speaker 8>really pointing out or reporting on that. I do mention

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:26.560
<v Speaker 8>in that story is that Minnesota actually had an eighteen

0:53:26.840 --> 0:53:29.240
<v Speaker 8>billion dollar budget surplus.

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:30.600
<v Speaker 9>Yes, every bit.

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:34.359
<v Speaker 8>Of that is gone and then some in just one

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:36.920
<v Speaker 8>two year period. In fact, they are now looking at

0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 8>being in the hole by three billion dollars. And I'm

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 8>telling you, the people I've spoken to who are ordinary

0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 8>taxpayers are hot about that, and they are feeling it

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 8>because they are seeing their property taxes go up because

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:55.800
<v Speaker 8>of the fact that number one inflation over the last

0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 8>several years prior to the current administration, there are a

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 8>lot of policies put in place that inflation did go up,

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 8>and the health values went up, and therefore the taxes

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 8>went up. Plus new taxes are being piled on top

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:12.680
<v Speaker 8>of citizens to pay for these mandates coming from the

0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.680
<v Speaker 8>state government. And I'm telling you, people just feel the

0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 8>squeeze there. It's it's really people are are not are

0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:21.840
<v Speaker 8>very unhappy. I will say the ones that I've spoken

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:22.799
<v Speaker 8>to you are, yeah.

0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Sure. And that's a theme that runs through this story.

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you would for my listeners, explain what

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:33.759
<v Speaker 1>you mean by Minnesota nice and it's you use that

0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 1>term in uh a lot of your stories and it

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 1>makes perfect sense. Will you just explain what that is?

0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:42.839
<v Speaker 1>And I guess along with that the attitude that they

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:44.080
<v Speaker 1>have some of them out there.

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 8>Well, the term Minnesota and nice, I was actually told

0:54:49.520 --> 0:54:52.919
<v Speaker 8>it originated from a type of granite found there because

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 8>it's felled g N E I S S and that's

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.800
<v Speaker 8>pronounced nice. But the kind of you know, manifesting in

0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 8>a a way of life, it's almost like the people

0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 8>came from Norway. A lot of people there, and there's

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:10.080
<v Speaker 8>this attitude where you're kind of you're semi warm, but

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 8>semi frosty at the same time. The saying is that

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:17.239
<v Speaker 8>a Minnesotan will give you directions to anywhere except to

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:21.640
<v Speaker 8>his own front door. So their hospitality is kind of

0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.920
<v Speaker 8>more on the surface. And as that guy Ed said

0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:31.080
<v Speaker 8>so succinctly, when people are wanting to give and say, oh,

0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 8>I'm trying to help impoverish people or hungry children or

0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:40.120
<v Speaker 8>autistic children, there is a cultural tendency to just not

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:43.440
<v Speaker 8>ask that very many questions about that. There's also not

0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 8>much of a question, oh I need help. So when

0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 8>you don't ask questions of either the givers or the

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.359
<v Speaker 8>receivers within a government system and you don't have checks

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.240
<v Speaker 8>and balances in place, that's a recipe for trouble.

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's no question about it. And that's a theme

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 1>that kind of runs through your story. At page seven,

0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:08.719
<v Speaker 1>you talk about the former assistant US attorney. I think

0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 1>it's his name is Joe Thompson who worked on some

0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 1>of the cases. Oh no, Joe tierrab I guess outline

0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>fraud fueling factors in this case. And then you know,

0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>here's the weenie, as they say, this is a quote

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:26.160
<v Speaker 1>from the former US attorney. Yeah, folks, coming from a

0:56:26.200 --> 0:56:29.360
<v Speaker 1>society with high levels of corruption. Of course he's talking

0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 1>about Somolians. You mix that with a government handout system

0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>that has almost no checks and balances, and that's just

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:42.880
<v Speaker 1>a perfect storm for high levels of corruption. Would you

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:45.399
<v Speaker 1>agree with me that in many ways, that's pretty much

0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 1>the problem there in a nutshell.

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:51.160
<v Speaker 8>Well, I quoted him for a reason. You know, the

0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 8>man did prosecute a lot of these cases. And you know, again,

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 8>part of the whole Minnesota Knighte and progressive culture is that,

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:03.359
<v Speaker 8>you know, inclusiveness, that whole inclusive thing, and you don't

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.759
<v Speaker 8>want to say anything bad about people from other countries

0:57:07.000 --> 0:57:09.879
<v Speaker 8>or ethnic groups because you know it could be viewed

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 8>as racism. And so when people in the inside of

0:57:14.160 --> 0:57:17.840
<v Speaker 8>the system started to see, hey, this isn't right. How

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 8>is it that this place claims to be feeding you know,

0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 8>three thousand kids in one day and they just started

0:57:23.200 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 8>operating yesterday. You know, when they're asking questions about this,

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:32.040
<v Speaker 8>they're saying, don't say anything about that. You could be

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:36.280
<v Speaker 8>viewed as racist or worse. Some of these whistleblowers have

0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:40.400
<v Speaker 8>alleged that they were even surveilled or had discipline and

0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 8>action taken against them when they tried to raise concerns.

0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:46.880
<v Speaker 8>So there are many, many layers to this whole terrible

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.640
<v Speaker 8>situation there in Minnesota. But I would like to point out,

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 8>as bad as it is in Minnesota, there may be

0:57:52.680 --> 0:57:55.320
<v Speaker 8>states where it's worse. I'm looking into trying to do

0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 8>more of a state a nationwide picture of what fraud

0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:00.959
<v Speaker 8>looks like. Me luck with that.

0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 1>One, absolutely, And I think I might have told you

0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I've had any numbers of callers on my Saturday show

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:11.880
<v Speaker 1>saying that and pointing to Columbus, and a couple of

0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 1>them said, hey, you know, stand by because something's coming

0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>out of there too. Have you heard anything about that?

0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.920
<v Speaker 8>That is actually on my very long list of follow

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 8>up stories to try to get to. I'm one reporter,

0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 8>but man, it was sure to.

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:29.320
<v Speaker 7>Be nice to have a team of us working on this.

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:32.440
<v Speaker 8>But you know, we're a lean and mean operation, and

0:58:33.080 --> 0:58:35.960
<v Speaker 8>you know, try to do our very best with with

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:39.000
<v Speaker 8>you know, just a smaller staff. But I tell you

0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:41.520
<v Speaker 8>what I'm I'm very aware of that. I've heard some

0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:45.080
<v Speaker 8>things about that. I haven't substantiated anything along those lines,

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 8>but it is on my list of things to definitely

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:48.800
<v Speaker 8>look into.

0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:51.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, the stories you crank out, in the detail

0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>within which you crank them out is absolutely incredible. It's phenomenal.

0:58:57.760 --> 0:58:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, this just isn't some kind of

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 1>opinion piece that said, boy, this is horrible. You drill

0:59:02.640 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 1>down on it, and I know I appreciate it. I

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:09.080
<v Speaker 1>think everybody else does too. But one thing too, and

0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>this I don't. Oh, okay, this is from Joe Thompson,

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>a quote that, again I think, kind of just boils

0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it all down. Minnesota's fraud ridden programs all have one

0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:22.440
<v Speaker 1>thing in common, and I know from reading your stories

0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:26.200
<v Speaker 1>this is absolutely right. The one thing in common sudden

0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:30.959
<v Speaker 1>explosive growth according to figures, you know, the way these

0:59:31.240 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the amounts spent on these programs just skyrocket. I know

0:59:35.640 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 1>one of them I've read in your reporting for supposedly

0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:43.920
<v Speaker 1>helping I think it was disabled children. They were billing

0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 1>at twelve bucks or excuse me, twelve hours per day,

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't make any sense. And that one had

0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.240
<v Speaker 1>explosive growth. Sounds to me like that's kind of a

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.920
<v Speaker 1>common factor, right.

0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:01.720
<v Speaker 8>And that is definitely something that pointed out. There are

1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:05.720
<v Speaker 8>multipleables there in that passage that you said. I can't

1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:07.520
<v Speaker 8>remember some of them off the top of my head.

1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.840
<v Speaker 8>I remember one that started at like it was projected

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:14.840
<v Speaker 8>to cause two point two two point two million a year,

1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 8>went up one hundred and seventy million within about three years.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, it's just incredible. You got a

1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:26.720
<v Speaker 1>governor who you know, at the end of the day,

1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.520
<v Speaker 1>he's supposed to be watching what's going on. There is

1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:31.560
<v Speaker 1>no way that if this was happening in the state

1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:35.480
<v Speaker 1>of Ohio, I guarantee you that Mike Dwaine would know

1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.160
<v Speaker 1>about it and would have done something about it. And

1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:41.880
<v Speaker 1>as you said, and others have said as well, again

1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:45.000
<v Speaker 1>with respect to media reporting, nobody wants to be called

1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a racist, so this nonsense goes on. I mean, it's

1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:53.640
<v Speaker 1>just incredible. What's next on your list, Janis with respect

1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:55.240
<v Speaker 1>to this, I know you mentioned you're going to start

1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:56.680
<v Speaker 1>looking at other states.

1:00:57.680 --> 1:00:59.960
<v Speaker 8>Right, well, looking at other states is a big deal

1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:05.600
<v Speaker 8>all also trying to bring out some more information about

1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:10.560
<v Speaker 8>where the money went. I have obtained some federal court

1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:16.280
<v Speaker 8>exhibits that show vehicles and checks and you know, other

1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:21.720
<v Speaker 8>documentations showing how millions of dollars of the taxpayer's money

1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:26.080
<v Speaker 8>went to things that most people would be pretty upset

1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:29.160
<v Speaker 8>to see, just trying to show where that money went,

1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:33.720
<v Speaker 8>and also about the forfeiture process, how difficult that is.

1:01:34.680 --> 1:01:37.960
<v Speaker 8>One of the lawmakers I interviewed told me that technically

1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:41.240
<v Speaker 8>the taxpayers of Minnesota now on a bakery here in

1:01:41.320 --> 1:01:45.440
<v Speaker 8>Ohio that the quote own is in quotes, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>because that was one of the things that that reportedly

1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:52.000
<v Speaker 8>with purchased with some of these ill gotten games.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And it goes on and on and on. I know

1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:58.800
<v Speaker 1>you don't do politics. I know you don't report on

1:01:58.880 --> 1:02:01.960
<v Speaker 1>polosy tetch. You report on facts. But and I've asked

1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you this, I think a couple of times before. I mean,

1:02:04.680 --> 1:02:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the heat's got to be building under Governor Waltz to

1:02:07.800 --> 1:02:10.520
<v Speaker 1>get the hell out of there and resign. Have you

1:02:10.640 --> 1:02:12.640
<v Speaker 1>heard anything more about that?

1:02:14.720 --> 1:02:19.920
<v Speaker 8>Well, the one of the Trump cabinet members, Lenna McMahon,

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<v Speaker 8>the head of.

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<v Speaker 1>The Education department.

1:02:21.800 --> 1:02:25.640
<v Speaker 8>Yes, pointed out about these ghost students. Uh, people who

1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:28.760
<v Speaker 8>are receiving a bunch of money for never even attending

1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:30.480
<v Speaker 8>school or maybe even didn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>These people didn't exist.

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<v Speaker 8>Are you know money going out?

1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 8>She faulted him for that. Now, in his defense, some

1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:42.400
<v Speaker 8>people are saying things like, you know, the head guy

1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:45.400
<v Speaker 8>can't know everything. But when there, when it's this multifaceted,

1:02:45.480 --> 1:02:48.160
<v Speaker 8>a lot of people are saying, in fact what you said,

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<v Speaker 8>which is that they believe he had to at least know,

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<v Speaker 8>and the whistleblader blowers are saying that they told him.

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<v Speaker 2>And on top of it.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, there are there. These men didn't go so far

1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:04.000
<v Speaker 8>as saying that, you know, we want you to resign

1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:09.680
<v Speaker 8>Tim Walls, but one hundred mayors in Minnesota banded together

1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:12.960
<v Speaker 8>and sent a letter his way. Now, maybe you know,

1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:15.960
<v Speaker 8>I know the public's tired of letters, letters, letters, but

1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:21.280
<v Speaker 8>you know this one, when one hundred mayors are signing it,

1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:24.280
<v Speaker 8>you know that is a much louder microphone in so

1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:29.640
<v Speaker 8>to speak, or megaphones than just one lone voice or

1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:33.440
<v Speaker 8>you know, making a post on social media. So they're saying, look,

1:03:33.680 --> 1:03:38.520
<v Speaker 8>our communities are hurting. This has to stop. We demand accountability,

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<v Speaker 8>and they were asking it of not just him, but

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<v Speaker 8>also the state lawmakers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they have to have it. I've never

1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:48.720
<v Speaker 1>seen anything like this. I've been around quite a while,

1:03:48.760 --> 1:03:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's just going to keep getting bigger

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<v Speaker 1>and bigger. One thing, I just want to read a quote.

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<v Speaker 1>This is mainly for the listeners of something that Waltz said.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the guy's just he's not based in the

1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:04.240
<v Speaker 1>real world. He's in dream world three or somewhere else. Okay,

1:04:04.240 --> 1:04:07.480
<v Speaker 1>this is the governor. This is outrageous. I expect political

1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:11.240
<v Speaker 1>attacks in an election year, said Waltz, whose re election

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<v Speaker 1>bid faces at least ten Republican challengers, including Robins. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a state I think rep Okay, here's what he says, Waltz,

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<v Speaker 1>what is unacceptable is actively withholding information about fraud and

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<v Speaker 1>blocking investigations in order to advance a political agenda. If

1:04:31.760 --> 1:04:34.720
<v Speaker 1>there is fraud, it needs to be investigated immediately, not

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<v Speaker 1>sat on, redirected, or used for political theater. In your reporting,

1:04:39.920 --> 1:04:43.439
<v Speaker 1>which has been extensive, I mean relatively short period of time,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen any evidence of any of that, withholding information,

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<v Speaker 1>blocking investigations in order to advance a political agenda.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it's certainly not on the inside of all of that,

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<v Speaker 8>but no, I haven't seen that. What he's actually respond

1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:04.960
<v Speaker 8>to is the representative Robin's a lady who has the

1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:09.800
<v Speaker 8>fraud you know, Anti fraud and Committee in the House

1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:14.880
<v Speaker 8>of Representatives there in Minnesota. She uh, you know, said, look,

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<v Speaker 8>I have whistleblowers coming to me. They've they've come out

1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:22.840
<v Speaker 8>at this Uh there's like an online portal where they

1:05:22.840 --> 1:05:27.840
<v Speaker 8>can they are guaranteed the anonymity. Apparently, hundreds of whistle

1:05:27.880 --> 1:05:31.160
<v Speaker 8>blowers who work for the state well Welfare Department have

1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:37.000
<v Speaker 8>come forward and made allegations and provided information to her

1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:39.880
<v Speaker 8>and other members of the committee. She says she doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>feel comfortable giving that to the Attorney general or the other,

1:05:44.960 --> 1:05:47.640
<v Speaker 8>you know, members of the government in the state, so

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<v Speaker 8>she gives it to the US Attorney's office. She's like,

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<v Speaker 8>these people don't trust you. The whistle blowing would stop

1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:58.960
<v Speaker 8>if it went to you guys, because allegedly you guys

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<v Speaker 8>sat on it. You are the ones who sat on it.

1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:05.280
<v Speaker 8>Now he's accusing her of quote unquote just not doing

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<v Speaker 8>anything with it or sitting on it, and she's saying, no,

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<v Speaker 8>I hinden information over.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as we investigate that it's.

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<v Speaker 8>Credible, we send it over to the US Attorney's Office,

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<v Speaker 8>the FBI, other appropriate agencies. And he's after he heard this.

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<v Speaker 8>She said this at a public meeting. That was his

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<v Speaker 8>response that he accused her of hiding information.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeez, well, we're out of time, Channis. I can't thank

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<v Speaker 1>you enough. And I know my listeners feel the same

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<v Speaker 1>way because they tell me how much we appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>filling us in on this because you're keyed in and

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<v Speaker 1>hope we can continue to call on you.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, any tips about Ohio, feel free to contact me.

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<v Speaker 1>The easiest way to do that is just to go

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<v Speaker 1>on my.

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<v Speaker 8>Twitter and you can see it is Janis High School.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 8>Sl has my email address right there. It's harder to

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<v Speaker 8>explain on the air, so just go to my ex

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<v Speaker 8>account Twitter or go to the Epoch ep oh Times

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<v Speaker 8>and you can try to find me on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds good, thanks, Javis, Thank you. Okay, all right, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. Like I said, the plot thickens

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<v Speaker 1>and she's all over it. It's just hard to grasp

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<v Speaker 1>just the breadth of this thing, I mean, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just keeps getting bigger and bigger and accountability. That's what's

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<v Speaker 1>needed here, and I hope at some point we get it. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to take a break. Button we get back.

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<v Speaker 1>Elwood Jones, we talked about it a little bit earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the dude that had his conviction for murder not

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<v Speaker 1>reversed because it wasn't a legal thing. Prosecutor decided to

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<v Speaker 1>drop the charges. Lo and behold, dude. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was Christmas Eve Cosettin gets DUI runs from the cops.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk to our legal analyst, Steve Gooden

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<v Speaker 1>about that. And I thought we were finished with Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Think again. We'll talk to Steve when we get back.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen in for Sloy seven hundred wl the Radio

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred wl W. Mike Allen in for Sloaney the

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<v Speaker 1>day after Christmas. Elwood Jones, it's a case that will

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<v Speaker 1>not go away, and this time it was from his doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was Christmas Eve. He got arrested for

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<v Speaker 1>OVII leaving the scene of an accident and failure to control. Interestingly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not up on the clerk's website yet, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a holiday weekend, so I'm not reading much

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<v Speaker 1>into that, but here to talk about that in other

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<v Speaker 1>things is our legal analyst Steve Good And Steve, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 1>Me your your thoughts on Elwood. When you read this,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, you know I could. It seems about part for

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<v Speaker 2>the course right now. Yeah, Hamilton County. I mean, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>really it's about where we are, uh, and there's more

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<v Speaker 2>to come, you know. I mean the prash, the new

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutor County Village has announced she actually went to the

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<v Speaker 2>county commission and asked for more money to create this

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution integrity unit where they're going to go back and

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<v Speaker 2>look at old cases and so forth. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's kind of a hall of mirrors and they

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<v Speaker 2>get lost. I mean, look, Ella was out celebrating because

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<v Speaker 2>just a couple of weeks ago the prosecutor dropped all

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<v Speaker 2>the appeals and publicly announced she wasn't convinced he did it.

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<v Speaker 2>She did that after years of litigation where they basically

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<v Speaker 2>re examined every piece of evidence, they looked at potential

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<v Speaker 2>greedy violations where things weren't turned over to the to

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<v Speaker 2>the defense all the way back in the nineties. At

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, though, no real new evidence

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<v Speaker 2>emerged that cleared him. I mean, it's not like there

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<v Speaker 2>was some sort of DNA that now could be tested.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like another suspect if someone confessed in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these old cases, you know, barring some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of DNA that actually cleared here's the person. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, look, now the witnesses are dead, the

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<v Speaker 2>primary detective is dead. That is actually one of their

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<v Speaker 2>main grounds for appeal. They have accused him of planting

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<v Speaker 2>the most damning piece of physical evidence, which was miss

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan's bracelet, the victims bracelet that was found in Elwood's

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<v Speaker 2>toolbox and his trunk, and now that he's dead, they

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<v Speaker 2>basically have created this issue thirty years later that he

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<v Speaker 2>placed it there. But wait, we can't cross examine him

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<v Speaker 2>now because he's dead, and that's one of their big

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<v Speaker 2>grounds for appeal. So if this is what's coming, then

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<v Speaker 2>we can get ready for more Elwood Jones type scenarios

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<v Speaker 2>where they're going to go back and kind of rewrite

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<v Speaker 2>history and let all out of these folks out. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like Elwood was out celebrating on Christmas Eve,

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<v Speaker 2>we get a lot to celebrate, you knows, as he

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't have been driving his car. It looks like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what he hit. Again, we don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>full details. There was an accident and he's been accused

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<v Speaker 2>of leaving the scene of an accident. He's out of

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<v Speaker 2>jail again. It was over in the Walnut Hills neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's kind of nice part of one of tills.

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<v Speaker 2>It's being redeveloped, so we don't know what he was

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<v Speaker 2>up to. I'm surprised to get a driver's license. A

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<v Speaker 2>TI point has been locked up for thirty seven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, there's going to be more of this to come.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, and you just think about it when you

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<v Speaker 1>think somebody have enough sense to kind of lay low

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe Colin Uber, which kind of raises my next

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<v Speaker 1>question about money. He stands to hit the jackpot pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve on the wrongful conviction, allegedly wrongfully convicted, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you have to file those things through the Ohio Court

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<v Speaker 1>of Claims. What are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I lit Agate up in the Court

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<v Speaker 2>of Claims a fair amount. It's a very.

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<v Speaker 7>Strange it's a strange place at the court that.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people don't even know about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever you sue the state, you know there is this

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<v Speaker 2>special court up in Columbus you can get a jury trial,

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<v Speaker 2>but only under very very select circumstances. The Attorney General's

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<v Speaker 2>office tends to step in to represent the local county

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<v Speaker 2>prosecutors in these cases. So you know, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>local folks who are involved, like you know our former

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<v Speaker 2>colleague Mark Pete Meyer and so forth, he won't have

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<v Speaker 2>any real say in what happens. At most be a witness,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, they have a history of paying out these

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of claims. And the biggest problem we had, he

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the taxpayers will have is that statement that

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<v Speaker 2>the miss pillach Er any prosecutor made where she said

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<v Speaker 2>not only did she say, look, we can't if she

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<v Speaker 2>could have come out and said, look, we can't retry

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<v Speaker 2>the case because of these court rulings. Our you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the detective has passed away, we can't really redo this now.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been one thing, but she actually affirmatively

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<v Speaker 2>said in her press conference or press release. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>recall which one that she is no longer convinced that

1:12:45.560 --> 1:12:47.880
<v Speaker 2>el One Jones committed to cross right. So she has

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<v Speaker 2>actually raised the issue of what they call actual innocence,

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<v Speaker 2>which is more or less just like it's getting the

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<v Speaker 2>check book out. That's just a question how big the

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<v Speaker 2>truck's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how I was going to ask you, would

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<v Speaker 1>you care to Hansward A guess, you know the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. For him, it's probably going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good payday.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I can throw this one out. I mean a

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<v Speaker 2>case I was involved in fairly recently where I was

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<v Speaker 2>representing a corrections officer, and I can't talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>execut details because he ended up settling. But let's just

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<v Speaker 2>say that an inmate who was serving life for murder,

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<v Speaker 2>not on death row, but serving life broke his back

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<v Speaker 2>because of because of a tussle he had with some

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<v Speaker 2>corrections officers where he was at fault, but the officers

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<v Speaker 2>did not use proper protocol. And again, this guy is

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<v Speaker 2>locked up for life. It was a seven figures settled,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, millions. So if you can if a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's never getting out of prison, who's fighting with security

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<v Speaker 2>guard corrections officers, can get over a million bucks. You

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine what a guy who said on death row,

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<v Speaker 2>who is now being touted as potentially innocent, might be

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<v Speaker 2>in line for so.

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<v Speaker 1>The taxpayers taking on the chin again you know exactly, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let me I mean he might go ahead, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>You might be the most eligible bachelor in Townward Jones

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<v Speaker 2>and people knowing what's coming his way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a very good point. I think he'll have

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<v Speaker 1>some potential suitors, if you will, right. He focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>the DUI. Of course, the mandatory minimum for first offender

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio is three days. And I looked, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>only Hamilton County. I don't see any prior o v I,

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<v Speaker 1>very few prior traffic offenses. And it's something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is judge specific. I think he would agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that. I mean, he does have a leaving the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>and some judges take that pretty seriously. But the convictions,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say he's convicted of ov I and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one of the others that in no way has any

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<v Speaker 1>legal effect on his murder case, does it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all. In fact, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio or in Hamilton County. I mean, typically what

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<v Speaker 2>would happen as you know is, unless the leaving the

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<v Speaker 2>scene in Ball was some severe property damage or god

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<v Speaker 2>for bit enough person being injured, which it doesn't look

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<v Speaker 2>like was the case here. That would typically be charged

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<v Speaker 2>pretty early on you know, a first time OVII offender.

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<v Speaker 2>Half the time they end up being convicted of a

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<v Speaker 2>lesser offense like reckless operation and said to a three

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<v Speaker 2>day alcohol education program, right, which has done privately, you

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<v Speaker 2>like in a hotel setting. Right. So if he is

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<v Speaker 2>treated like a regular first time offender, and assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>the accident underlying it is not serious, and also assuming

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<v Speaker 2>he had insurance to take care of the accident, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of judges do look at that specifically, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he may never see the inside of the jail cell.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, they didn't even process them through the justice

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<v Speaker 2>center the other night. They just they sent him home. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sent him home.

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<v Speaker 1>In fairness, that happens quite a bit on those kind

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<v Speaker 1>of charges. But you know, you raised a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>point about how to hell that guy get a driver's license?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, uh so quickly I guess, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to stay tuned on that one. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing up on the clerk's website yet. But We're

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<v Speaker 1>in a kind of hollowy holiday situation, so I'll continue

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<v Speaker 1>to watch it. I did want to ask you the

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<v Speaker 1>the case with respect to the one, uh man, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you there is so much here on Epstein. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a hard it's hard keeping up with it. It's not dead,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, is the question. They said. Do OJ says

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<v Speaker 1>it has found more than a million additional Epstein documents.

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<v Speaker 1>Will this thing ever go away? Steve Gooden, uh No,

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<v Speaker 1>it will not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean our kids and our kids' kids will be

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<v Speaker 2>using the word Epstein as a you know, shorthand for corruption, pedophilia,

1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:57.000
<v Speaker 2>scary stuff, powerful people, you know, hanging out and being

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<v Speaker 2>blackmailed potentially. Of course, you know, we'll never know all

1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:01.760
<v Speaker 2>of it. And I'm telling you it's a rabbit hole

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<v Speaker 2>you can go down. I made the mistake a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days ago of looking at the at the current

1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:12.240
<v Speaker 2>TRANCHA documents, of which there are hundreds of thousands. They

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<v Speaker 2>are now searchable in a database on the DOJ website

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<v Speaker 2>Justice dot gov. You can click right on it. You

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<v Speaker 2>can put in keywords. I put in Trump Clinton, Hillary

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton and get all that. They and they pull up

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<v Speaker 2>the PDF documents most of which have been redacted, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>any that involved underage people. You know, the faces are obscured,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's amazing what's on there, and it's amazing

1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:39.480
<v Speaker 2>that there's more. I mean, this guy apparently was prolific

1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.679
<v Speaker 2>in his use of email and text messages and other things.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just he was a constant communicator and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a mover and shaker. Yeah, and you know, we

1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:52.600
<v Speaker 2>just in every new Tranta document shows another level of

1:17:52.840 --> 1:17:56.280
<v Speaker 2>famous people that he had down on the island. The

1:17:56.360 --> 1:17:58.760
<v Speaker 2>last time came out. There was a lot of entertainers,

1:17:58.800 --> 1:18:02.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, people like you know, early Diana Ross, Michael Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>which as an eye raiser, I guess for a number

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<v Speaker 2>of reasons. And in a whole bunch of new stuff

1:18:07.479 --> 1:18:10.960
<v Speaker 2>with Bill Clinton, which again does it depict him directly

1:18:11.040 --> 1:18:15.560
<v Speaker 2>doing anything improper, but it certainly undercuts his public statements

1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that he and Epstein weren't that close. I mean, they

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<v Speaker 2>look pretty chummy in these photos. In fact, there's one

1:18:20.640 --> 1:18:22.400
<v Speaker 2>in a hot where he's sitting in a hot tub

1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:26.040
<v Speaker 2>with the Scalene Maxwell's who's also serving prison time for

1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:30.439
<v Speaker 2>basically acting as Epstein's pimp for underage traffic t women.

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<v Speaker 2>So not a good look for a former president to

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<v Speaker 2>be sitting.

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<v Speaker 7>There with a woman who was engaged in that kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Activity, and they all look pretty friendly, and it just

1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:43.000
<v Speaker 2>begs the question of who had wat on whom and

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<v Speaker 2>how did he You know, here's a guy Epstein who

1:18:45.640 --> 1:18:48.439
<v Speaker 2>worked briefly at bear Stearns and in the early eighties,

1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:51.479
<v Speaker 2>never had a college degree, was never actually a broker,

1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:54.240
<v Speaker 2>never had a broker's license, but he amassed a billion

1:18:54.320 --> 1:18:58.200
<v Speaker 2>dollar fortune, had private island in the US, Virgin Island,

1:18:59.240 --> 1:19:02.000
<v Speaker 2>a massive in New York, and have people and was

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<v Speaker 2>managing money for people like Les Wexner out of the Columbus,

1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:08.600
<v Speaker 2>whoes you know, owns these you know l brands with

1:19:09.160 --> 1:19:12.080
<v Speaker 2>half the stores in any mall are owned by Les Wexner.

1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:15.760
<v Speaker 2>How he insinuated himself into the scenarios when he really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the credentials begs the question of what he

1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:21.240
<v Speaker 2>had on these people. And that's what I think Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>will always mean. And I think actually the more documents

1:19:24.120 --> 1:19:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that are released makes it harder, you know, to determine it.

1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like I said, even now, if someone came forward,

1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:34.400
<v Speaker 2>if some like ninety year old guy came forward and said, hey,

1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I was the guy that engineered the conspiracy to kill JFK.

1:19:37.960 --> 1:19:40.240
<v Speaker 2>No one will believe it now, you know, there's all

1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:43.120
<v Speaker 2>these conspiracy theories. So I don't know that we'll ever

1:19:43.320 --> 1:19:48.600
<v Speaker 2>know exactly what happened. And he's dead. Maxwell is in

1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:51.479
<v Speaker 2>prison and really not talking, and even if she did talk,

1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:53.839
<v Speaker 2>I think everyone would think that that's all self serving.

1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:57.559
<v Speaker 2>The Clintons are lawyered up and fighting their subpoenas. Donald

1:19:57.600 --> 1:20:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Trump is in these all over, but his Justice Apartment

1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:04.559
<v Speaker 2>is releasing them slowly but surely. So I just don't

1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:05.759
<v Speaker 2>know that anyone's ever.

1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:08.040
<v Speaker 7>Going to be satisfied with what happened, no matter how

1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:09.160
<v Speaker 7>many documents they find.

1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Politico has been covering it, and they say today the

1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:18.920
<v Speaker 1>DOJ claims the Epstein Maxwell file exceeds one point seven million.

1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Now I get it. I mean, he was a high

1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:24.760
<v Speaker 1>powered dude. He hung with high powered people, and you're

1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:30.000
<v Speaker 1>familiar with complex civil and criminal litigation. One point seven

1:20:30.080 --> 1:20:34.559
<v Speaker 1>million documents, though, Steve, I just don't understand how it

1:20:34.600 --> 1:20:36.000
<v Speaker 1>could get to be that much.

1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, when you when you start playing with

1:20:40.280 --> 1:20:44.720
<v Speaker 2>them on that on the searchable website, which which I get.

1:20:44.760 --> 1:20:46.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't recommend people do it. I mean, I went

1:20:46.960 --> 1:20:50.519
<v Speaker 2>down the rebitue. It's amazing works there. I mean, this guy,

1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.280
<v Speaker 2>he's one of these guys that probably I mean, I'm

1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.080
<v Speaker 2>just guessing because I know the level of email traffic

1:20:56.120 --> 1:20:58.760
<v Speaker 2>at our law firm. It's not uncommon for me to

1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:02.120
<v Speaker 2>get one hundred fifty two hundred emails a day, a

1:21:02.160 --> 1:21:04.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of them being sales emails and garbage. But you know,

1:21:05.000 --> 1:21:06.719
<v Speaker 2>for me to get like one hundred or one hundred

1:21:06.720 --> 1:21:09.360
<v Speaker 2>and twenty legitimate emails, and I'm just a lawyer in Ohio,

1:21:10.200 --> 1:21:12.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not uncommon. So I mean, this is a guy

1:21:12.560 --> 1:21:16.360
<v Speaker 2>that really worked. There's a lot of emails, and he

1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:20.439
<v Speaker 2>also took tons and tons of pictures. Most of them

1:21:20.479 --> 1:21:22.720
<v Speaker 2>it looks like off his phone, but you know, there

1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:26.120
<v Speaker 2>are you know, he was constantly recording everything he did,

1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:28.400
<v Speaker 2>whether it be you know, his plane rides or his

1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:32.120
<v Speaker 2>guests or so forth. So I mean, of what I've seen,

1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:36.479
<v Speaker 2>the bulk of it are emails and in photographs. There's

1:21:36.520 --> 1:21:38.880
<v Speaker 2>also a lot of financial statements. I mean, obviously he

1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:43.120
<v Speaker 2>was managing money for people and for himself, so there's

1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:46.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of financial stuff that have account numbers and

1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:49.519
<v Speaker 2>so forth, obviously redacted. There's heavy, heavy, heavy redactions in

1:21:49.600 --> 1:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these. But you know, it's just you know,

1:21:51.960 --> 1:21:53.519
<v Speaker 2>if you think about the way a lot of us

1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:56.400
<v Speaker 2>live now, I mean, most of this activity, you know

1:21:56.720 --> 1:22:00.559
<v Speaker 2>that's there's from the late nineties and into the early

1:22:00.600 --> 1:22:02.960
<v Speaker 2>to mid two thousands, so you know, there's cell phones,

1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:07.200
<v Speaker 2>there's texting, there's emails, there's photographs that way, so we

1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:10.000
<v Speaker 2>all generate more documents than we think. I mean, I'm

1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:13.400
<v Speaker 2>involved in a simple contract dispute locally, and I just

1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:16.519
<v Speaker 2>learned right before Christmas that there were twenty five thousand

1:22:16.600 --> 1:22:19.519
<v Speaker 2>emails in the exchange between the people over at eighteen

1:22:19.560 --> 1:22:22.120
<v Speaker 2>month period. So you know, you just and that's not

1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:24.240
<v Speaker 2>even that complicated a case. So it's just the way

1:22:24.280 --> 1:22:27.439
<v Speaker 2>we live now and have for the last twenty five years.

1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:30.280
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not too surprised by that. It's just a

1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:34.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of them are kind of just tantalizing. They have

1:22:34.520 --> 1:22:37.200
<v Speaker 2>little nuggets that make you wonder. Yeah, but there's so

1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:38.880
<v Speaker 2>far no big smoking gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, and the thing about it is, speaking politically,

1:22:44.040 --> 1:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>if there are anything that bad on Trump, don't you

1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:49.360
<v Speaker 1>think it would have been put out a long, long

1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:49.960
<v Speaker 1>time ago.

1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, that's what I think, and I'll tell

1:22:53.520 --> 1:22:57.160
<v Speaker 2>you you know, look, the fact that he associated with

1:22:57.160 --> 1:22:59.719
<v Speaker 2>Epstein and was down on that, you know, was apparently

1:22:59.760 --> 1:23:03.240
<v Speaker 2>on the plane several times, and is clearly I mean,

1:23:03.240 --> 1:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>they were clearly friends. And I think the quote from

1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Susie Wiles's chief of staff and who I don't know

1:23:08.400 --> 1:23:10.400
<v Speaker 2>how you know, it was not maybe the best quote,

1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:12.680
<v Speaker 2>but I think an honest one and said, look, her

1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.680
<v Speaker 2>quote was quote, they were young playboys together, you know,

1:23:15.760 --> 1:23:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the guys in their late thirties, early forties running around

1:23:19.840 --> 1:23:22.559
<v Speaker 2>in New York, single guys both with money and uh

1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:25.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, really liking uh you know, the high life

1:23:25.640 --> 1:23:29.400
<v Speaker 2>and clearly, you know, looking looking for companionship one way

1:23:29.479 --> 1:23:32.120
<v Speaker 2>or the other. And that's you know, it's gonna it's

1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:33.559
<v Speaker 2>gonna be something that a lot of folks are going

1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:35.400
<v Speaker 2>to regard as a black mark on the president. But

1:23:35.439 --> 1:23:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the idea that he was either being blackmailed or knew anything,

1:23:39.040 --> 1:23:41.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, surely, you know, if someone had that kind

1:23:41.920 --> 1:23:45.719
<v Speaker 2>of a skeleton in their closet, uh that and remember

1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:48.120
<v Speaker 2>it would be weird that they would seek public office

1:23:48.120 --> 1:23:51.120
<v Speaker 2>at all. McCall that, you know, Epstein was long in prison,

1:23:51.200 --> 1:23:54.639
<v Speaker 2>but the time that Trump ran for ran for office,

1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:56.400
<v Speaker 2>so you know, he had to know that. You know,

1:23:56.439 --> 1:23:59.840
<v Speaker 2>there were multiple grand jury investigations into Epstein, including in

1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:04.439
<v Speaker 2>New York, multi year grand jury investigations, the documents which

1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:07.160
<v Speaker 2>are gradually being unsealed and released. So if he had

1:24:07.160 --> 1:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>had some grand great concern about that, you know, I

1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:12.719
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine that he would have jumped into public office.

1:24:12.720 --> 1:24:14.320
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing is, even if some sort of

1:24:14.360 --> 1:24:17.439
<v Speaker 2>document emerges now, his hard core supporters aren't going to

1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:19.479
<v Speaker 2>buy it. I mean, particularly after what happened with the

1:24:19.560 --> 1:24:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Russia situation. It really was a hoax, you know, particularly

1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:25.280
<v Speaker 2>with you know, with you know, with the some of

1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>the Ukrainian impeachment, which we now know really you know,

1:24:27.920 --> 1:24:30.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't some sort of an impeachable offense. Right, So there

1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:32.920
<v Speaker 2>have been so many things thrown out him at this

1:24:33.080 --> 1:24:35.720
<v Speaker 2>point that I think he's almost kind of immune to

1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:38.479
<v Speaker 2>whatever is in there. But it's clear he knew him,

1:24:38.479 --> 1:24:42.240
<v Speaker 2>It's clear they socialized, and it's clear you know that

1:24:42.360 --> 1:24:44.240
<v Speaker 2>at one point they were pretty tight. He says he

1:24:44.320 --> 1:24:46.120
<v Speaker 2>broke it off with him about in two thousand and

1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:49.599
<v Speaker 2>five or six. Uh, you know, prior to everything happening,

1:24:49.640 --> 1:24:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and there's really been nothing so far to contradict that.

1:24:52.360 --> 1:24:55.519
<v Speaker 1>All Right, Steve Ryan time, I really appreciate you talking

1:24:55.600 --> 1:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>to us about this, and I think we'll stay tuned

1:24:58.320 --> 1:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>on both el Would and our good friend Epstein, and

1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:05.160
<v Speaker 1>you know you'll keep us posted on it. I appreciate it.

1:25:06.360 --> 1:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Hey, anytime, take care of what.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you? You know my goodness, one point seven

1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:17.439
<v Speaker 1>million documents and Steve's explanation for that is completely legit

1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:20.880
<v Speaker 1>and accurate. It just I wish they'd just do one

1:25:20.960 --> 1:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>big damn thing to just get it over with. Anyway,

1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:27.679
<v Speaker 1>we will take a break and when we get back,

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<v Speaker 1>your calls seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred, the

1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.679
<v Speaker 1>big one are the numbers if you want to be involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen in for Slowey, seven hundred WLW. There's radio

1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:43.600
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred wl W. Mike Allen in for Sloaney. The

1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>day after Christmas, Elwood Jones, it's a case that will

1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:53.160
<v Speaker 1>not go away, and this time it was from his doing.

1:25:53.960 --> 1:25:57.479
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Christmas Eve he got arrested for

1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:03.840
<v Speaker 1>OVII leaving the scene of an accident and failure to control. Interestingly,

1:26:04.200 --> 1:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>it's not up on the clerk's website yet. But you know,

1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:08.840
<v Speaker 1>we're in a holiday weekend, so I'm not reading much

1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>into that. But here to talk about that in other

1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>things is our legal analyst Steve Good. And Steve, thanks

1:26:15.040 --> 1:26:18.479
<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me

1:26:19.320 --> 1:26:22.760
<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on Elwood. When you read this, I mean

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe.

1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:27.680
<v Speaker 2>It, you know, I could. It seems about part for

1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:30.479
<v Speaker 2>the course right now. Yeah, you're Hamilton County. I mean,

1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:33.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, really it's about where we are and there's

1:26:33.680 --> 1:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>more to come, you know. I mean the prosecutor, the

1:26:36.120 --> 1:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>new prosecutor County Village is announced. Sheley went to the

1:26:39.280 --> 1:26:43.280
<v Speaker 2>county Commission and asked for more money to create this

1:26:43.960 --> 1:26:46.519
<v Speaker 2>prosecution integrity unit where they're going to go back and

1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>look at old cases and so forth. And I think

1:26:49.920 --> 1:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>sometimes it's it's kind of a hall of mirrors and

1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>they get lost. I mean, look, Elwa was out celebrating

1:26:55.520 --> 1:26:58.920
<v Speaker 2>because just a couple of weeks ago the prosecutor dropped

1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:02.200
<v Speaker 2>all the appeals and publicly announced she wasn't convinced he

1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:06.320
<v Speaker 2>did it. She did that after years of litigation where

1:27:06.880 --> 1:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>they basically re examined every piece of evidence, they looked

1:27:10.040 --> 1:27:13.080
<v Speaker 2>at potential greedy violations where things weren't turned over to

1:27:13.160 --> 1:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the or to the defense all the way back in

1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the nineties. At the end of the day, though, no

1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:22.120
<v Speaker 2>real new evidence emerged that cleared him. I mean, it's

1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:24.599
<v Speaker 2>not like there was some sort of DNA that now

1:27:24.680 --> 1:27:29.040
<v Speaker 2>could be tested. It wasn't like another suspect if someone

1:27:29.120 --> 1:27:33.120
<v Speaker 2>confessed in a lot of these old cases, you know,

1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:36.160
<v Speaker 2>barring some sort of DNA that actually clears the person.

1:27:36.280 --> 1:27:38.519
<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of like, look, now the witnesses are dead,

1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:42.439
<v Speaker 2>the primary detective is dead. That is actually one of

1:27:42.520 --> 1:27:45.760
<v Speaker 2>their main grounds for appeal. They have accused him of

1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>planting the most damning piece of physical evidence, which was

1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:52.439
<v Speaker 2>miss Nathan's bracelet, the victims bracelet that was found in

1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Elwood's toolbox and his trunk, and now that he's dead,

1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>they basically have created this issue thirty years later that

1:27:59.040 --> 1:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>he placed it there. Wait, we can't cross examine him

1:28:01.640 --> 1:28:03.160
<v Speaker 2>now because he's dead, and that's one of their big

1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>grounds for appeals. So if this is what's coming, then

1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>we can get ready for more Elwood Jones type scenarios

1:28:10.360 --> 1:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>where they're going to go back and kind of rewrite

1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:15.880
<v Speaker 2>history and let a lot of these folks out, So yeah,

1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:18.599
<v Speaker 2>it looks like Elwood was out celebrating on Christmas Eve.

1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>We get a lot to celebrate, yeah know, as well

1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:22.920
<v Speaker 2>as he shouldn't have been driving his car. It looks

1:28:22.960 --> 1:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know what he hit. Again, we don't

1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:27.840
<v Speaker 2>have the full details, but there was an accident and

1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:30.280
<v Speaker 2>he's been accused of leaving the scene of an accident.

1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:33.400
<v Speaker 2>He's out of jail again. It was over in the

1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Walnut Hills neighborhood, in this kind of nice part of

1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Waldo Hills that's being redeveloped, so we don't know what

1:28:39.880 --> 1:28:43.080
<v Speaker 2>he was up to. I'm surprised he got a driver's

1:28:43.120 --> 1:28:45.160
<v Speaker 2>license at this point. He has been locked up for

1:28:45.240 --> 1:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>thirty seven Yearah. But no, there's going to be more

1:28:49.040 --> 1:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>of this to come, you know.

1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>And do you just think about it when't you think

1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>somebody have enough sense to kind of lay low and

1:28:56.600 --> 1:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe calling uber, which kind of raises my next question

1:28:59.479 --> 1:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>about me. He stands to hit the jackpot pretty good.

1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Steve on the wrongful conviction, allegedly wrongfully convicted, I think

1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.519
<v Speaker 1>you have to file those things through the Ohio Court

1:29:12.600 --> 1:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>of Claims. What are your thoughts on that.

1:29:16.160 --> 1:29:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I litigate up in the Court of

1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Claims a fair amount. It's a very strange. It's a

1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:22.599
<v Speaker 2>strange place at the court that a lot of people

1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>don't even know about it. I mean, whenever you sue

1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the state, you know, there is this special court up

1:29:28.680 --> 1:29:30.840
<v Speaker 2>in Columbus. You can get a jury trial, but only

1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>under very very select circumstances. The Attorney General's office tends

1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to step in to represent the local county prosecutors in

1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:41.599
<v Speaker 2>these cases. So you know, you know, the local folks

1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:43.800
<v Speaker 2>who are involved, like you know, our former colleague Mark

1:29:43.840 --> 1:29:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Pete Meyer and so forth, he won't have any real

1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>say in what happens. At most be a witness, but no,

1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:52.759
<v Speaker 2>they have a history of paying out these kinds of claims.

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<v Speaker 2>And the biggest problem we had, he, I mean, the

1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>taxpayers will have is that statement that the miss Pilla

1:29:59.360 --> 1:30:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Chern her maid where she said, not only did she say, look,

1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:04.040
<v Speaker 2>we can't if she could just come out and said, look,

1:30:04.040 --> 1:30:06.360
<v Speaker 2>we can't retry the case because of these court rulings.

1:30:06.920 --> 1:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Our you know, the detective has passed away. We can't

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<v Speaker 2>really redo this now, that would have been one thing,

1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>but she actually affirmatively said in her press conference or

1:30:16.960 --> 1:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>press release. I can't recall which one that she is

1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>no longer convinced that l One Jodes committed to cross right.

1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So she has actually raised the issue of what they

1:30:24.920 --> 1:30:28.320
<v Speaker 2>call actual innocence, which is more or less just like

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<v Speaker 2>it's getting the check book out.

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<v Speaker 7>That's just a question how big the tech's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how I was going to ask you, would

1:30:33.360 --> 1:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you care to Hansward A guess, you know the neighborhood

1:30:36.960 --> 1:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about. For him, it's probably going to be

1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a pretty.

1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Good play day. Look, I can throw this one out.

1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean a case I was involved in fairly recently

1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:47.559
<v Speaker 2>where I was representing a corrections officer. I can't talk

1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:49.800
<v Speaker 2>about the execut details because it ended up settling. But

1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>let's just say that an inmate who was serving life

1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:57.840
<v Speaker 2>for murder, not on death row, but serving life broke

1:30:57.920 --> 1:31:01.720
<v Speaker 2>his back because of you, because of a tussle he

1:31:01.840 --> 1:31:04.439
<v Speaker 2>had with some corrections officers where he was at fault,

1:31:04.520 --> 1:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>but the officers did not use proper protocol. And again,

1:31:07.080 --> 1:31:09.840
<v Speaker 2>this guy is locked up for life. It was a

1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>seven figures subtled, you know, millions. So if you can

1:31:14.880 --> 1:31:17.679
<v Speaker 2>if a guy who's never getting out of prison, who's

1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:21.439
<v Speaker 2>fighting with security guard corrections officers, can get over a

1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:24.080
<v Speaker 2>million bucks. You can imagine what a guy who said

1:31:24.120 --> 1:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>on death row, who is now being touted as potentially innocent,

1:31:28.160 --> 1:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>might be in line for.

1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>So the taxpayers take it on the chin again, you

1:31:32.840 --> 1:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>know exactly, Hey, I mean.

1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:38.040
<v Speaker 2>He might go ahead, Steve, you might be the most

1:31:38.080 --> 1:31:42.240
<v Speaker 2>eligible bachelor in town Wood Jones and people knowing what's

1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:43.599
<v Speaker 2>coming his way.

1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a very good point. I think he'll have

1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>some potential suitors if you will, right, Hey, focusing on

1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>the dui. Of course, the mandatory minimum for first offender

1:31:54.200 --> 1:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>in Ohio is three days. And I look, and it's

1:31:57.360 --> 1:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>only Hamilton County. I don't see any prior o V

1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>very few prior traffic offenses. And it's something like this,

1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:08.479
<v Speaker 1>I think is judge specific. I think he would agree

1:32:08.560 --> 1:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>with that. I mean, he does have a leaving the scene,

1:32:10.880 --> 1:32:15.479
<v Speaker 1>and some judges take that pretty seriously. But the convictions,

1:32:15.560 --> 1:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>let's just say he's convicted of OVI and maybe one

1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:21.759
<v Speaker 1>of the others that in no way has any legal

1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>effect on his murder case, does it?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all? In fact, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio or in Hamilton County. I mean typically what

1:32:31.840 --> 1:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>would happen, as you know, is unless the leaving the

1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>scene involves some severe property damage or god for bit

1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:41.439
<v Speaker 2>enough person being injured, which it doesn't look like was

1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the case here, that would typically be charged pretty early

1:32:45.080 --> 1:32:48.840
<v Speaker 2>on you know, a first time OVII offender. Half the

1:32:48.920 --> 1:32:51.960
<v Speaker 2>time they end up being convicted of a lesser offense

1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:55.599
<v Speaker 2>like reckless operation and said to a three day alcohol

1:32:55.720 --> 1:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>education program, right, which has done private what do you

1:32:58.000 --> 1:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>like in a hotel setting? Right? So, if he is

1:33:00.720 --> 1:33:04.320
<v Speaker 2>treated like a regular first time offender, and assuming that

1:33:04.479 --> 1:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the accident underlying it is not serious, and also assuming

1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>he had insurance to take care of the accident, a

1:33:11.200 --> 1:33:15.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of judges do look at that share specifically, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he may never see the inside of the jail cell.

1:33:17.479 --> 1:33:19.639
<v Speaker 2>In fact, they didn't even process him through the justice

1:33:19.680 --> 1:33:22.599
<v Speaker 2>center the other night. They just they sent him home.

1:33:23.120 --> 1:33:26.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in in fairness, that happens quite a bit on

1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>those kind of charges. But you know, you raised a

1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>really interesting point about how the hell that guy get

1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>a driver's license. I mean, you know, uh so quickly

1:33:37.439 --> 1:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess, well, I'm going to stay tuned.

1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:39.880
<v Speaker 7>On that one.

1:33:40.000 --> 1:33:42.599
<v Speaker 1>Like I said, there's nothing up on the clerk's website yet,

1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>but we're in a kind of hollowy holiday situation, so

1:33:47.400 --> 1:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll continue to watch it. I did want to ask

1:33:50.080 --> 1:33:57.639
<v Speaker 1>you the case with respect to the one man. I'll

1:33:57.680 --> 1:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>tell you there is so much here on it's a

1:34:01.040 --> 1:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>hard it's hard keeping up with it. It's not dead,

1:34:03.920 --> 1:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess, is the question. They said. DJ says it

1:34:08.360 --> 1:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>has found more than a million additional Epstein documents. Will

1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>this thing ever go away, Steve Gooden.

1:34:17.200 --> 1:34:19.479
<v Speaker 2>Uh No, it will not. I mean, our kids and

1:34:19.560 --> 1:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>our kids' kids will be using the word Epstein as

1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:29.519
<v Speaker 2>a you know, shorthand for corruption, pedophilia, scary stuff, powerful people,

1:34:30.200 --> 1:34:34.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, hanging out and being blackmailed potentially. Of course,

1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll never know all of it. And I'm

1:34:36.200 --> 1:34:38.040
<v Speaker 2>telling you it's a rabbit hole you can go down.

1:34:38.240 --> 1:34:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I made the mistake a couple of days ago of

1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:45.840
<v Speaker 2>looking at the at the current Trancher documents, of which

1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:48.800
<v Speaker 2>there are hundreds of thousands are They are now searchable

1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:52.240
<v Speaker 2>in a database on the DJ website Justice dot gov.

1:34:52.960 --> 1:34:55.280
<v Speaker 2>You can click right on it. You can put in keywords.

1:34:55.360 --> 1:34:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I put in Trump Clinton, Hillary Clinton and get all

1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:01.120
<v Speaker 2>that they and they pull up the p documents, most

1:35:01.160 --> 1:35:05.479
<v Speaker 2>of which have been redacted, particularly any that involved underage people.

1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:09.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, the faces are obscured, but it's it's amazing

1:35:10.160 --> 1:35:12.599
<v Speaker 2>what's on there, and it's amazing that there's more. I mean,

1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:16.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy apparently was prolific in his use of email

1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>and text messages and other things. He was just he

1:35:19.080 --> 1:35:22.559
<v Speaker 2>was a constant communicator and kind of a mover and shaker. Yeah,

1:35:23.320 --> 1:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we just in every new Tranta document

1:35:26.280 --> 1:35:30.559
<v Speaker 2>shows another level of famous people that he had down

1:35:30.640 --> 1:35:33.280
<v Speaker 2>on the island. The last time it came out, there

1:35:33.360 --> 1:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>was a lot of entertainers, you know, people like you know,

1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:39.519
<v Speaker 2>bizarrely Diane Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, which is an eye raiser,

1:35:39.600 --> 1:35:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess for a number of reasons. And in a

1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of new stuff with Bill Clinton, which again

1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>does it depict him directly doing anything improper, but it

1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:52.599
<v Speaker 2>certainly undercuts his public statements that he and Epstein weren't

1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:55.439
<v Speaker 2>that close. I mean, they look pretty chummy in these photos.

1:35:55.479 --> 1:35:57.280
<v Speaker 2>In fact, there's one in a hot where he's sitting

1:35:57.320 --> 1:36:00.040
<v Speaker 2>in a hot tub with the Scullen Maxwell, who's he

1:36:00.160 --> 1:36:03.280
<v Speaker 2>was also serving prison time for basically acting as Epstein's

1:36:03.320 --> 1:36:07.960
<v Speaker 2>pimp for underage traffic to women. So not a good

1:36:08.000 --> 1:36:10.160
<v Speaker 2>look for a former president to be sitting there with

1:36:10.240 --> 1:36:10.719
<v Speaker 2>a woman.

1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:12.679
<v Speaker 7>Who was engaged in that kind of activity, and they.

1:36:12.600 --> 1:36:15.880
<v Speaker 2>All look pretty friendly, And it just begs the question

1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:19.200
<v Speaker 2>of who had what on whom and how did he

1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, here's a guy Epstein who worked briefly at

1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:25.559
<v Speaker 2>bear Stearns in the early eighties, never had a college degree,

1:36:25.760 --> 1:36:28.479
<v Speaker 2>was never actually a broker, never had a broker's license,

1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>but he amassed a billion dollar fortune, had private island

1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:36.400
<v Speaker 2>in the US Virgin Island, a massive estate in New York,

1:36:36.520 --> 1:36:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and had people and was managing money for people like

1:36:39.160 --> 1:36:42.720
<v Speaker 2>Les Wexner on the Columbus, who's you know, owns these

1:36:42.840 --> 1:36:46.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, l brands with half the stores in any

1:36:46.200 --> 1:36:49.320
<v Speaker 2>mall are owned by Les Wexner. How he insinuated himself

1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>into this scenarios when he really didn't have the credentials

1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:55.280
<v Speaker 2>begs the question of what he had on these people.

1:36:55.320 --> 1:36:57.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's what I think Epstein will always mean. And

1:36:58.040 --> 1:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I think actually the more documents that are least makes

1:37:01.160 --> 1:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>it harder, you know, to determine it. I mean, like

1:37:04.840 --> 1:37:07.439
<v Speaker 2>I said, even now, if someone came forward, I some

1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like ninety year old guy came forward and said, hey,

1:37:10.000 --> 1:37:12.919
<v Speaker 2>I was the guy that engineered the conspiracy to kill JFK.

1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:15.800
<v Speaker 2>No one will believe it now, you know, there's all

1:37:15.840 --> 1:37:18.639
<v Speaker 2>these conspiracy theories. So I don't know that we'll ever

1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:24.120
<v Speaker 2>know exactly what happened. And he's dead. Maxwell is in

1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>prison and really not talking, and even if she did talk,

1:37:27.120 --> 1:37:29.720
<v Speaker 2>I think everyone would think that that's all self serving. Sure,

1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the Clintons are lawyered up and fighting their subpoenas. Donald

1:37:33.200 --> 1:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Trump is in these all over, but his Justice Department

1:37:36.160 --> 1:37:40.120
<v Speaker 2>is releasing them slowly but surely. So I just don't

1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:41.400
<v Speaker 2>know that anyone's.

1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:43.439
<v Speaker 7>Ever going to be satisfied with what happened, no matter

1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:44.719
<v Speaker 7>how many doctorments they find.

1:37:45.280 --> 1:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Politico has been covering it, and they say today the

1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:54.479
<v Speaker 1>DOJ claims the Epstein Maxwell file exceeds one point seven million.

1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:56.679
<v Speaker 1>Now I get it. I mean, he was a high

1:37:56.720 --> 1:38:00.320
<v Speaker 1>powered dude. He hung with high powered people, and you're

1:38:00.360 --> 1:38:05.519
<v Speaker 1>familiar with complex civil and criminal litigation. One point seven

1:38:05.680 --> 1:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>million documents, though, Steve, I just don't understand how it

1:38:10.160 --> 1:38:11.439
<v Speaker 1>could get to be that much.

1:38:13.560 --> 1:38:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, when you start playing with them on

1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:20.800
<v Speaker 2>that on the searchable website, which I get, I don't

1:38:20.840 --> 1:38:23.240
<v Speaker 2>recommend people do it. I mean, I went down the revenue.

1:38:23.520 --> 1:38:26.599
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing work there. I mean, this guy, he's one

1:38:26.640 --> 1:38:29.400
<v Speaker 2>of these guys that probably I mean, I'm just guessing

1:38:29.439 --> 1:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>because I know the level of email traffic at our

1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:35.240
<v Speaker 2>law firm. It's not uncommon for me to get one

1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:37.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty two hundred emails a day, a lot

1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:40.439
<v Speaker 2>of them being sales emails and garbage. But you know,

1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>for me to get like one hundred or one hundred

1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:44.439
<v Speaker 2>and twenty legitimate emails, and I'm just a lawyer in

1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Ohio is not uncommon. So I mean, this is a

1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:51.720
<v Speaker 2>guy that really worked. There's a lot of emails, and

1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:55.800
<v Speaker 2>he also took tons and tons of pictures. Most of

1:38:55.880 --> 1:38:58.280
<v Speaker 2>them it looks like office phone, but you know, there

1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:01.639
<v Speaker 2>are you know, he was constantly recording everything he did,

1:39:01.760 --> 1:39:03.960
<v Speaker 2>whether it be you know, his plane rides or his

1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:07.679
<v Speaker 2>guests or so forth. So I mean, of what I've seen,

1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the bulk of it are emails and photographs. There's also

1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of financial statements. I mean, obviously he was

1:39:14.960 --> 1:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>managing money for people and for himself, so there's a

1:39:19.160 --> 1:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of financial stuff that have account numbers and so

1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:25.200
<v Speaker 2>forth obviously redacted. There's heavy, heavy, heavy redactions in a

1:39:25.280 --> 1:39:27.479
<v Speaker 2>lot of these. But you know, it's just you know,

1:39:27.520 --> 1:39:29.040
<v Speaker 2>if you think about the way a lot of us

1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>live now, I mean, most of this activity, you know

1:39:32.320 --> 1:39:36.200
<v Speaker 2>that's there's from the late nineties into the early to

1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>mid two thousands, so you know, there's cell phones, there's texting,

1:39:39.360 --> 1:39:43.439
<v Speaker 2>there's emails, there's photographs that way, so we all generate

1:39:43.520 --> 1:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>more documents than we think. I mean, I'm involved in

1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a simple contract dispute locally, and I just learned right

1:39:49.960 --> 1:39:52.640
<v Speaker 2>before Christmas that there were twenty five thousand emails in

1:39:52.720 --> 1:39:55.719
<v Speaker 2>the exchange between the people over at eighteen month period.

1:39:55.880 --> 1:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>So you know, you just and that's not even that

1:39:58.120 --> 1:40:00.240
<v Speaker 2>complicated a case. So it's just the way we live

1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>now and have for the last twenty five years. So

1:40:03.160 --> 1:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not too surprised by that. It's just a lot

1:40:06.120 --> 1:40:10.040
<v Speaker 2>of them are kind of just tantalizing little they have

1:40:10.080 --> 1:40:12.760
<v Speaker 2>little nuggets that make you wonder. Yeah, but there's so

1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>far no big smoking gun. Okay.

1:40:15.320 --> 1:40:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, and the thing about it is, speaking politically, if

1:40:19.760 --> 1:40:22.559
<v Speaker 1>there are anything that bad on Trump, don't you think

1:40:22.640 --> 1:40:25.479
<v Speaker 1>it would have been put out a long long time ago.

1:40:26.760 --> 1:40:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, that's what I think, And I'll tell

1:40:29.080 --> 1:40:32.560
<v Speaker 2>you you know, the look, the fact that he associated

1:40:32.600 --> 1:40:34.560
<v Speaker 2>with Epstein and was down on that, you know, was

1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:38.800
<v Speaker 2>apparently on the plane several times, and is clearly I mean,

1:40:38.840 --> 1:40:40.840
<v Speaker 2>they were clearly friends. And I think the quote from

1:40:40.880 --> 1:40:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Susie Wiles is chief of staff and who I don't

1:40:43.880 --> 1:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>know how you know, it was not maybe the best quote,

1:40:46.000 --> 1:40:48.240
<v Speaker 2>but I think an honest one and said, look, her

1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:51.200
<v Speaker 2>quote was quote, they were young playboys together, you know,

1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the guys in their late thirties, early forties running around

1:40:55.439 --> 1:40:58.519
<v Speaker 2>in New York, single guys both with money and you know,

1:40:58.640 --> 1:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>really liking, you know, to the high life and clearly,

1:41:02.120 --> 1:41:05.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, looking looking for companionship one way or the other.

1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:08.240
<v Speaker 2>And that's you know, it's gonna it's gonna be something

1:41:08.280 --> 1:41:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of folks are going to regard as

1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:11.560
<v Speaker 2>a black mark on the president. But the idea that

1:41:11.600 --> 1:41:14.840
<v Speaker 2>he was either being blackmailed or knew anything, I mean,

1:41:14.880 --> 1:41:17.640
<v Speaker 2>surely you know if someone had that kind of a

1:41:17.720 --> 1:41:21.880
<v Speaker 2>skeleton in their closet, uh that and remember it would

1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>be weird that they would seek public office at all,

1:41:24.120 --> 1:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>McCall that, you know, Epstein was long in prison, but

1:41:26.880 --> 1:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the time that Trump ran for ran for office, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he had to know that. You know, there

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<v Speaker 2>were multiple grand jury investigations into Epstein, including in New York,

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<v Speaker 2>multi year grand jury investigations, the documents which are gradually

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<v Speaker 2>being unsealed and released. So if he had had some

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<v Speaker 2>grand great concern about that, you know, I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that he would have jumped into public office. And the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing is, even if some sort of document emerges

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<v Speaker 2>now his hard course of orders aren't going to buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, particularly after what happened with the Russia situation,

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<v Speaker 2>which really was a hoax, you know, particularly with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, some of the Ukrainian impeachment, which we

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<v Speaker 2>now know really you know, wasn't some an impeachable offense. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So there have been so many things thrown at him

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<v Speaker 2>at this point that I think he's almost kind of

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<v Speaker 2>immune to whatever is in there. But it's clear he knew.

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<v Speaker 7>Him, It's clear they socialized, and it's clear you know

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<v Speaker 7>that at one point they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were pretty tight. He says he broke it off with

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<v Speaker 2>him about in two thousand and five, or six, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>prior to everything happening, and there's really been nothing so

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<v Speaker 2>far to contradict that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Steve, we're at time. I really appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>talking to us about this, and I think we'll stay

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<v Speaker 1>tuned on both Elwood and our good friend Epstein, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know you'll keep us posting on it. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, anytime, take care of my thinky. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my goodness, one point seven million documents and

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<v Speaker 1>Steve's explanation for that is completely legit and accurate. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just I wish they just do one big damn thing

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<v Speaker 1>to just get it over with. Anyway, we will take

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<v Speaker 1>a break, and when we get back, your calls seven

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<v Speaker 1>four nine, seven thousand and one, eight hundred, the big

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<v Speaker 1>one are the numbers if you want to be involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred, WL eleven thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight News Radio seven hundred WW Mike Allen almost at

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday midday in for Slowey Saturday midday. We'll go forth

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow from nine to noon and I'll be in for

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<v Speaker 1>Sloaney all next week. You know, we only have a

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<v Speaker 1>few more days left in the year twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>and what happens is a lot of these outlets do

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<v Speaker 1>the top stories and those kind of things. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>them are actually interesting. Channel five did one that I

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<v Speaker 1>think is pretty accurate and pretty interesting. Just go through

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<v Speaker 1>a few of these and we'll get back to the

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<v Speaker 1>phones here. Top story they have winter storms blast region,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple winter storms in Cincinnati. Second is a severe story

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<v Speaker 1>leave damage, but I don't know that it's that weather

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<v Speaker 1>related now. The third one is a big, big story

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<v Speaker 1>that's not even close to being finished. Police leadership, shake

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<v Speaker 1>up the city. People are still scratching their head about

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<v Speaker 1>what they think Chief Thiji did wrong. I know I

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<v Speaker 1>am big story. And this one too, This is a

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<v Speaker 1>biggie Rose becomes Hall of Fame eligible. The only thing

1:44:28.920 --> 1:44:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Pete had to do to do that is die. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love baseball, but Major League Baseball is so hypocritical

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<v Speaker 1>on the whole gambling thing. It seems to me and

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<v Speaker 1>many other people that they're just pretty much obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>it now. Of course, because it makes money. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're gonna let Pete go in or let him

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<v Speaker 1>become Hall of Fame eligible more accurately, they had to

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<v Speaker 1>look at some others too. The one obviously that comes

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<v Speaker 1>to mind is shoeless Joe Jackson. But we'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>happens on that. That's just a few of them. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably do some of these tomorrow too. Hey, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>to the phones here. Let's talk to Danny in Mason. Hey, Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, sir, How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good? I'm good. What you got for me?

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<v Speaker 9>The question I've been thinking about of wanting to ask you,

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<v Speaker 9>when do the constitutional rights start when we're born? I

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<v Speaker 9>would think so, yes, Okay, So for people coming into

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<v Speaker 9>our country legally and illegally, yep, do they get to

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<v Speaker 9>constitutional rights as soon as they step across our border?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Not, of course illegal. No, and if they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it right, but they haven't done it yet. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not technically citizens. But you know, you got green cards,

1:45:46.800 --> 1:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and Biden administration had so many ways to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's frustrating to me, and I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other people too. You know, you have people like

1:45:55.800 --> 1:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you and I we're American citizens. Then you got the

1:45:58.880 --> 1:46:01.479
<v Speaker 1>people that trespass in to our country. They are not.

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<v Speaker 1>Many times, it appears to me that people in power,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrats, so to speak, they're more concerned with the

1:46:10.280 --> 1:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>people that trespass into their country than they are American citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just my take on it.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and see, I keep thinking about that that. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>so the ones I can't remember the one, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>the one that was transporting your legals and they sent

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<v Speaker 9>out of the country and then the congressman went.

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<v Speaker 7>Down, he had a drink with him.

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<v Speaker 4>And all that.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, you know, I mean he's getting more rights, in

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<v Speaker 9>my opinion, than you and I would get, you know, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 9>And I just wondered about that. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 9>guess some of us citizens to just start raising three

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<v Speaker 9>kinds of heck yeah and saying, hey, you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, if you raise heck, then the government's going

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<v Speaker 9>to start eyeballing you in my opinion, but you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, well they're not supposed to. But I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>you hit the crux of the problem. Why in the

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<v Speaker 1>hell are we bending over backwards for someone who trespassed

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<v Speaker 1>into our country. Let's just say your house, somebody uninvited

1:47:06.760 --> 1:47:09.320
<v Speaker 1>just walks in. You know, you're going to give that

1:47:09.479 --> 1:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>person more rights than you are the legal resident of

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<v Speaker 1>that place. It's topsy turvy, Danny, It really is, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank god Trump's turning it around.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>And then one other thing too real quickly, the drugs

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<v Speaker 9>runners that were shooting up, shooting out of the water.

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<v Speaker 9>I think we are to capture one of the boats

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<v Speaker 9>back of drugs are and advertising, say hey he's there,

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<v Speaker 9>and see how they.

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<v Speaker 4>Respond to that.

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<v Speaker 9>It's all common sense.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, and my dad had a fifth grade education and I.

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<v Speaker 9>Guarantee he had more common US than the half of

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<v Speaker 9>them in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, absolutely, what's an interesting proposition. I appreciate your input. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the crux of it. And this is what

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<v Speaker 1>honks me off so much with the Democrats. What about us?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, aren't we important? We're citizens, they're not. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course we are the most generous planet on the

1:48:11.040 --> 1:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>face of the earth. But at some point you got

1:48:14.479 --> 1:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>to say, no, no, no, let's put Americans first, and

1:48:18.120 --> 1:48:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I think President Trump is doing that. Man. You look

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<v Speaker 1>over in Europe especially, and I'm kind of an Anglophile,

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<v Speaker 1>so this depresses me. What the hell's going on over

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<v Speaker 1>there in Great Britain. I mean, they're taking their rights

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<v Speaker 1>away right and left and so in Germany and other

1:48:35.120 --> 1:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>countries too. So much of it is because of unchecked immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>They're paying the price for it now. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we are too so to speak, but at least Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is trying. I'll tell you what, let's take a short

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<v Speaker 1>break and we'll come back and we'll close the show out.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Allen seven hundred WLW