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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Sloaney today,

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Speaker 1: as I will be, I believe every day next week.

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Speaker 1: So you stuck with me. Hope everybody had a good Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I know I did usual stuff, gifts, great food, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of beer here and there, but no, it

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Speaker 1: was nice. But it's also nice to get it over with,

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Speaker 1: you know. I kind of have a theory as far

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Speaker 1: fun when you have kids, and it will be fun

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Speaker 1: again when you have grandkids. And just about a week ago,

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Speaker 1: I was blessed with my first grandchild. I've got a granddaughter,

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Speaker 1: so really happy about that. And as the years go by,

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Speaker 1: I think Christmas is going to get back to being

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Speaker 1: fun again. But like I said, I hope you all

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Speaker 1: had a good Christmas too, But it is kind of

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Speaker 1: nice to have it over with. But this week, this

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Speaker 1: is a weird week, isn't it. I Mean half the

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Speaker 1: time I don't know whether I'm coming or going. I

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of laid back too. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Coming up here, there's nobody on the roads. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's really nice. I don't know that it'll stay like that.

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Speaker 1: Also heard the forecast today is a high of sixty four,

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Speaker 1: which is absurd for almost January. That's darn near convertible weather.

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Speaker 1: I know a few years back, I think it got

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Speaker 1: I got mine out. Don't know if I'll do that

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Speaker 1: today though. Anyway, We've got a good show for you today.

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to talk at ten o'clock two

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Speaker 1: former Vice Mayor Christopher Smithman. Haven't talked to him in

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Speaker 1: a while, going to catch up with him and see

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Speaker 1: what's up with him and asking his thoughts on what's

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Speaker 1: going on in the city of Cincinnati. Ten thirty Janis

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Speaker 1: Heisel of the Epoch Times, And if you're a regular

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Speaker 1: listener to my Saturday show, I've had Janis on probably

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Speaker 1: every Saturday for the past four or five weeks. When

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Speaker 1: this story with the corruption in Minnesota, she is all

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Speaker 1: over that story, to the point where Nut Gingrich complimented

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Speaker 1: her on her coverage. So we're gonna talk to her

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Speaker 1: at ten thirty. There are some new developments. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you something I've been around a while. I have

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Speaker 1: never seen anything like that. Pretty much agreed by everyone.

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Speaker 1: It is now up to nine billion dollars and counting.

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Speaker 1: It's just I can't imagine how something like that could

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Speaker 1: go on in a relatively small state and nobody know

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Speaker 1: on that. And we're gonna have legal analyst Steve Gooden.

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Speaker 1: He's going to call in at eleven, not going to

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Speaker 1: talk to the talk to him about the the latest

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Speaker 1: on Elwood Jones. He's the dude that caught the break

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Speaker 1: and his murder conviction was not reversed, but it was

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Speaker 1: dismissed by the prosecutor. And there was a big brew

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Speaker 1: haha between the prosecutor and the corner about some evidence.

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Speaker 1: But this one. You can't write this one. You can't

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Speaker 1: make it up. A couple of days ago, he got

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Speaker 1: pulled over for an OVI. He got an OVI. He

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Speaker 1: would think, wouldn't you. I mean? And he did sat

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Speaker 1: have no idea. If he's got priors is three days,

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Speaker 1: and most judges go with that. But he fled from

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Speaker 1: making a return visit, a brief visit to the Crowbar hotel.

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll just have to see. Well, the big

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Speaker 1: story is, and this is serious stuff. Woke up to

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Speaker 1: he refers to his terrorist scum. It's hard to disagree

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Speaker 1: News reports to President Donald Trump said the US launched

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Speaker 1: he accused of killing Christians. Well, they are calling the

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Speaker 1: operation decisive and warning further attacks would follow if the

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Speaker 1: on to say, the President I have previously warned these

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Speaker 1: there would be hell to pay. And tonight there was

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Speaker 1: the Department of War executed numerous perfect strikes, as only

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Speaker 1: the United States is capable of doing. And he closes

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Speaker 1: the statement with, under my leadership, our country will not

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Speaker 1: for that, mister President. That's long overdue, not from you,

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Speaker 1: but from previous administrations. Anyway, he goes on to say,

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Speaker 1: May God bless our military and merry Christmas, tall including

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Speaker 1: the dead terrorist, of which there will be many if

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Speaker 1: their slaughter of Christians continues. So you know, once again,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump love h Merchti. He just tells it like

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Speaker 1: it is. And it's not like he didn't say that

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Speaker 1: there didn't get better. I mean, you can't kill Christians

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Speaker 1: want about it, but let's just be honest. They're not

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Speaker 1: not have to like them. I'm not talking about all

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a majority, but it's a

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Speaker 1: on October the sixth, But Trump says it, he's probably

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything yet. I think it just happened

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Speaker 1: not hours ago, I guess, or maybe around twenty four

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Speaker 1: But again, yeah, I tell you what. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: And you can, you know, curse his style, curse you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it was despicable, and I know that's going

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Speaker 1: It was just unnecessary. Having said that. On the substance,

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Speaker 1: And you know, radical Islamic terrorism is not gone. It's here,

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Speaker 1: and they think they are divinely inspired. So it's something

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Speaker 1: He weighed in on this and he said, I commend

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Speaker 1: President Trump, Secretary Hegseeth, and our brave troops for these

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Speaker 1: And I think there was some other comment too the President.

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Speaker 1: This is Hegseeth again. The President was clear last month

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Speaker 1: tonight on Christmas, more to come. You gotta think that

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Speaker 1: We're just not going to tolerate it. Grateful, grateful for

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Speaker 1: The move followed a surge on attacks on Christians and

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Speaker 1: Nearly a week later. Days later, armed attackers rated Saint

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Speaker 1: criticisms of lacking humility. Okay, here's Kamala, I don't aspire

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Speaker 1: to be humble. Humility. Yes, it's very important. It's very

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Speaker 1: Again, she just never answers the questions I don't aspire

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Speaker 1: more articles about it, and yeah, I follow this stuff

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Speaker 1: and she's on this, I think more than any other

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Speaker 1: national journalist. So she knows the scoop and we will

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Speaker 1: get it from her. At ten thirty, Hey, let's go

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Speaker 1: to Let's go to Larry. Hello, Larry, how you doing?

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Speaker 4: Not bad for an old guy? Sir?

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Speaker 5: I doing great, and as a fellow former fellow police officer,

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Speaker 5: I cannot even imagine how law enforcement is feeling about

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Speaker 5: the county prosecutor's decision to let that gentleman out of

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Speaker 5: jail so he can commit more crime beyond the lass

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Speaker 5: that's going to happen because of the language that was used, yeah,

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Speaker 5: to criticize the former prosecutor, but now that he is

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Speaker 5: committing new crimes, how in the world can she look

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Speaker 5: herself in the mirror?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, when I was prosecutor, I was

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Speaker 1: just peripherally involved in it with different motions and things,

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Speaker 1: and so yeah, I know a little bit about it,

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Speaker 1: but not a heck of a lot. But boy, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what it sure seemed to me and still does,

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Speaker 1: that they had the goods on the guy. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough job, prosecutor. It is. You got to

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Speaker 1: make tough, tough calls, and you know, she made one

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Speaker 1: that not everybody obviously agrees with. I'll tell you my

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Speaker 1: main problem with what she said. She said that, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced he didn't do it. Now, I did look

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Speaker 1: at some of the evidence in the thing, and I

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Speaker 1: would be saying the otherwise I was convinced that he

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Speaker 1: did do it, So you know, I don't know, and

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Speaker 1: you get the situation where there's a wizen match between

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Speaker 1: her the prosecutor in the county corner doctor Simarco, who

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Speaker 1: I think is an excellent coroner. That was that was

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Speaker 1: unfortunate that they had that two Democrats going at it too.

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Speaker 1: And then, as you say, not, but what three or

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Speaker 1: four days ago, dude goes out and gets an OVI

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Speaker 1: fleeing and eluding in some other charges too. Wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: think that if you're in that situation, that you would

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Speaker 1: kind of try to walk the straight and arrow and

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Speaker 1: call a damn uber instead of driving. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just I don't get it.

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Speaker 6: Well, I do get it, but miss Sad be walking,

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Speaker 6: you'd be walking on eggshells for a while. You would

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Speaker 6: think you and kissing the ground that you're walking on.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I can't based on you know, limited

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Speaker 6: knowledge that I'm hearing on the radio and talk show

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Speaker 6: and everything else. It sounds like the prosecutor never had

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Speaker 6: a conversation with Joe Dieters to test her theory before

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Speaker 6: she launched it.

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Speaker 1: Am I right, I don't know, you know, I really

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not privy to that, frankly, don't want

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Speaker 1: to be. I don't know, but I mean what's public

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Speaker 1: is public, and there are oodles and noodles, if you will,

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Speaker 1: of evidence that she could have looked, and she probably did.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, She's got some top people

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Speaker 1: in that office, in the upper ranks that I think

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Speaker 1: she said they looked it over too. But I think

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Speaker 1: if it were me, I guess, I guess it's a

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Speaker 1: little Monday morning quarterbacking. I would have said that, you know,

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Speaker 1: to pursue this would not be a benefit to the taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: Maybe intimate a little bit somehow that yeah, he was guilty,

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Speaker 1: but I'm walking away from it. I don't agree with that,

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Speaker 1: but that would have been a way to kind of

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Speaker 1: soften a little bit. I do have to say this though,

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Speaker 1: I mean the prosecutor, Connie Pillich, is a Democrat. I'm

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Speaker 1: a Republican. I think she's done a pretty darn good

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Speaker 1: job so far. This I think is the main screw

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Speaker 1: up we shall.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I tried not to look at the politics.

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Speaker 6: I mean, she's she's in a position she's elected. Listen,

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Speaker 6: I got you, and I have a long background together.

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Speaker 6: You know, I was around Simon Leeese and you and

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Speaker 6: a lot of other people for a lot of years,

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Speaker 6: and you know you're in the position and to your point,

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Speaker 6: you're you're making tough.

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Speaker 7: Decisions and with the information you have.

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Speaker 4: At the time.

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Speaker 6: Now, unfortunately we get second guests in the police and

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Speaker 6: law enforcement all the time by everybody, and.

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Speaker 4: So I hate to jump on that bandwagon, but.

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Speaker 6: This is just seems to me just like a black

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Speaker 6: eye that it's going to be harder to recover from

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Speaker 6: in this situation.

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Speaker 2: But Mike, good to hear you on the radios.

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Speaker 7: I'm always a fan, and take.

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Speaker 6: Care and have a great New Year's If I don't.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you, you too, Larry, thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for the call. Yeah, you know, it's just

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Speaker 1: a shame. I mean, probably should have been and some

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Speaker 1: communication I guess with the former prosecutor, not me, but

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Speaker 1: Joe because it pretty much came down on his watch.

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Speaker 1: And Joe is I know he talked about it. He's

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Speaker 1: kind of in a difficult position too, being a Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court justice. Judges are limited in what they can say publicly.

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Speaker 1: From what I understand, Joe talked to Willie and no

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Speaker 1: lines were crossed there. But it's an unfortunate situation, it

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Speaker 1: really is. And you know, here's dude. He just gets

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Speaker 1: out of prison, it probably wasn't even a week or

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Speaker 1: maybe two weeks and gets jammed up on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I guess it just kind of shows where his head is. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we got to take a break for the news. But

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Speaker 1: when we get back, looking forward to this, We're going

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Speaker 1: to catch up with Christopher Smithman. I'm gonna ask him

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Speaker 1: his opinion on what's going on in the city with

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Speaker 1: all the crime stuff and just a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I want to catch up with christ fraud and we'll

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Speaker 1: do that when we get back. Mike Allen and for

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Speaker 1: Slowey seven hundred WLW News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike

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Speaker 1: Allen in for Sloaney on the day after Christmas. Hope

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Speaker 1: everyone had a good Christmas. I did, but always glad,

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Speaker 1: kind of glad when it's over. You know what, there's

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Speaker 1: so many things going on in our city and our

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Speaker 1: state and in the country and in the world. And

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Speaker 1: I always like to check in with our good friend

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Speaker 1: Christopher Smitheman to see what he's thinking about things. And

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Speaker 1: he's on the line, and we're going to talk to

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Speaker 1: him today. Hey, good morning, Christopher.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good morning Mike, and look, Merry Christmas you too,

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Speaker 4: and happy New Year to you and your and your family.

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Speaker 1: You too, Christopher. Do you have a good Christmas?

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Speaker 4: Wonderful Christmas. All the kids were on the rotation for Cincinnati,

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Speaker 4: so I had them all next year. I won't. That's

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Speaker 4: a part of it, right, right, They rotate out to

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Speaker 4: their spouses and there and their significant others. So this

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Speaker 4: year was my year, and I really enjoyed them.

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Speaker 1: Good. I'm glad to hear that. Well, what's your thought

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Speaker 1: on what's going on out in the world. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in this country. You have the situation out there in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: which I don't know if you're following that, Christopher, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible with the fraud going on there.

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Speaker 1: That's actually a new term has been coined, fraud tourism,

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Speaker 1: to where people are recruited by other fraudsters to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: come on out here, you can make a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's unbelievable to me. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: Well, I agree, and I think that the number is

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Speaker 4: gonna hit nine billion dollars, nine with a billion with

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Speaker 4: a B you know, the original one billion, So we've

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Speaker 4: gone from one billion to nine billion. I think there

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Speaker 4: were thirteen people maybe indicted in the last yes, two weeks,

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Speaker 4: and there's going to be more. And the sad part

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Speaker 4: about I know you're highlighting it is, Look, this is

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Speaker 4: medicaid fraud. This is where the people in our society

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Speaker 4: who need resources, Americans, veterans, they're all depending on these resources.

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Speaker 4: So to see people going out and frauding us out

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Speaker 4: of nine billion dollars, it just undermines the entire system.

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Speaker 4: And the other part of it is that the taxpayers,

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Speaker 4: it's our money, that hard earned money. I'm not just

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Speaker 4: think about how hard I worked in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 4: to make what I made, you know, to feed my family,

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Speaker 4: and I don't want to waste money. And I don't

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Speaker 4: want to wake up and hear that the government wasted

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Speaker 4: nine big because when we say nine billion, is we're

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Speaker 4: talking to federal government, so we're talking the entire country.

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Speaker 4: Everybody is putting their money in that same pot. So

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Speaker 4: this is a terrible situation. And I just do not

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Speaker 4: understand why the Democrats are unwilling to call out the fraud,

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Speaker 4: and then those who do call out the fraud. And

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Speaker 4: this is the saddest part is they run to their

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Speaker 4: corner of playing racial politics, as if talking about this

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Speaker 4: makes you and me a racist because we're talking about

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Speaker 4: Somalians who were defrauding Minnesota and all of us across

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Speaker 4: the federal you know, every every state is impacted because

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Speaker 4: it's these are federal dollars for medicaid. Why the Democrats

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Speaker 4: aren't calling this out when they say they care about

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Speaker 4: the poor, they care about safety, death services, these are

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Speaker 4: the things that undermine Medicaid and we've got to get

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Speaker 4: this fraud out of our systems absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And you know, some of the Democrats are complaining about

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Speaker 1: the federal oversight, saying, well, this is all about Trump

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Speaker 1: just trying to embarrass Tim Walls, you know, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 1: blah blah. And nobody's stepping forward to say, hey, we

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Speaker 1: screwed up, and we screwed up big time, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to do whatever we can do to fix it.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, Janis Heisel is reported on this thing, Christopher,

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Speaker 1: I think, probably better than anyone in the country. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Nuke Gingrich complimented her for her coverage.

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Speaker 1: She's on it like white on rice and she I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to her at ten thirty. She dug down,

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Speaker 1: and I guess there have been a lot of tax

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Speaker 1: increases in Minnesota because of what's going on. So you

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Speaker 1: got the situation where you know, ordinary taxpayers are really

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Speaker 1: funding the fraud. It's just it's something that's not tenable.

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Speaker 1: It's got to stop. And accountability is kind of a

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Speaker 1: word that's losing its meaning unfortunately. But you gotta have

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Speaker 1: it here, you gotta do.

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Speaker 4: And the sad part about it is, I'm not feeling

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Speaker 4: this sense that when when these people come up for

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Speaker 4: reelection that anything different will happen.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And so that's the sad part about it. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm hearing that we have some might have some issues

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Speaker 4: in the state of Ohio. I pray that we get

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Speaker 4: to the bottom of any medicaid any fraud, but any

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Speaker 4: medicaid fraud that we are experiencing. Every governor across the

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Speaker 4: United States of America, this should be a wake up

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Speaker 4: and everybody should be fact checking, looking and making sure

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Speaker 4: that levels of fraud are not happening in any part

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Speaker 4: of their state because this undermines the entire system and

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Speaker 4: it doesn't make anybody a racist. All of us should

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Speaker 4: be using social media to highlight this. We should be

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Speaker 4: putting a flashlight on it, because these are our tax

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Speaker 4: dollars at the end of the day, and I just

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Speaker 4: worked so hard, I paid so much in taxes that

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Speaker 4: these are the kinds of things that really send me

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Speaker 4: over the top. Mike Allen, I can't, I can't afford.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I make money, and I feel like

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Speaker 4: at the end of the year, I feel poorer than

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Speaker 4: I did the previous year. And the Americans out there

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Speaker 4: that feel that way, it's unacceptable. So the people out

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Speaker 4: there that are making one hundred thousand, sixty thousand, fifty thousand,

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Speaker 4: I'm look sure how much your federal dollars, some percentage

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Speaker 4: of it are in this pool of money that you

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Speaker 4: that Mike Allen and I are talking about, and they

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Speaker 4: defrauded us all And the last thing about it is,

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Speaker 4: and this is the scariest is they were sending the

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Speaker 4: money possibly possibly.

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Speaker 2: The fund terrorists.

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Speaker 1: Yes I forgot that, taking the.

643
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Speaker 4: Money, sending it back, and now all of a sudden

644
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: it boomerangs back in some kind of way that a

645
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: terrorists act against our interests we're funding with our federal dollars.

646
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: So any Democrat out there, this is a non partisan issue.

647
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: This is not about Democrats or Republicans. The Democrats they're controlling.

648
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 4: So we're discussing any of us as Americans should say

649
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 4: this is wrong, and we're calling it out. Unfortunately, the

650
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 4: congressional members, everybody's running to their corners and basically saying,

651
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: anybody that talks about this, you're calling out Somalians and

652
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 4: now you are a racist. I'm not a racist to

653
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: talk about the fraud and abuse that's happening around this

654
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 4: nine billion dollars.

655
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think we've just scratched the surface on it.

656
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you to Christopher. Obviously, myself and

657
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: many many others were hopeful that we see you on

658
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: city Council, back on council in the year twenty twenty six.

659
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Speaker 1: Didn't happen. I hope and a lot of other people

660
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: do too. And I'm not kidding you that this isn't

661
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: the end of the road politically for Christopher Smithman. But

662
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the City

663
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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati as we go into the new year. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you were very critical during the campaign as you were

665
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: supposed to be. But your thoughts on the direction that

666
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati is headed with a completely democrat

667
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: city council. I don't think a Republican and maybe like

668
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: yourself and independent is ever going to get elected to

669
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: that thing anymore based on what happened. But just kind

670
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: of broadly your thoughts on the city as we go

671
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Speaker 1: into the new year.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm concerned. I'm just as concerned.

673
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Speaker 2: You know.

674
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Speaker 4: They for me, these weren't political talking points. And I

675
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 4: think the things that you and I talked about prior

676
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: to the election have also proven to be true. I

677
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: think the settlement of the eight point one million was corruption.

678
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: And the reason I had defined it as corruption, this

679
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: is the settlement after and during the George Floyd incident.

680
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 4: And I thought what happened to George Floyd was wrong.

681
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: I think that it was police misconduct, but it wasn't

682
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 4: the City of Cincinnati. He had nothing to do with us.

683
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: Why were there protesters in our downtown doing anything, setting fires,

684
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: blocking roads, whatever they were doing down there that cost

685
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 4: some of them to be detained. And so I'm very

686
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: concerned about it. And they knew they were in settlement talks.

687
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: If I were the mayor, there is no way I

688
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: would have settled this case. We would have gone a

689
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: trial and I would have had a jury come back

690
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 4: and say, hey, the city did something wrong. And I

691
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: think if a jury had seen this, there's no way

692
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 4: that they would have awarded ten million dollars or eight

693
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: point one million and lawyers getting two million dollars. It

694
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 4: just wouldn't have happened. The other thing I think I

695
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 4: want to highlight is that all of the shootings that

696
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: continue to happen in our city. You know, we got

697
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 4: a majority of Democrats, and I Mike, and I'm not kids.

698
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: These aren't just talking. But I don't know what the

699
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: plan is. I have no sense of what city council

700
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: and the mayor are doing as far as they comprehensive

701
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: plan to deal with crime across our fifty two neighborhoods.

702
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: And the reality of it is, I just saw another

703
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: business or remember which one of private businesses said Hey,

704
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: I'm relocating. You're gonna see more of that throughout the year.

705
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: Because I am a small business owner. You've got to

706
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 4: be worried about your employees, and you've got to be

707
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: worried about your customers. So people are thinking, Hey, my

708
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 4: person is coming downtown, my employees are going home at night.

709
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 4: I'm worried about them. And if they feel that they're

710
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 4: not secure, they're not gonna want to work for that company.

711
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 4: By the way, that then impacts what we say recruitment

712
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: and retention, and businesses can only take so much of that,

713
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 4: and they're gonna say, listen, I'm gonna relocate to another state.

714
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 4: I'm going to go right across the line to Kentucky.

715
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go across the line in Indiana, or I'm

716
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: gonna move out into the suburbs where i don't have

717
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: to deal with that. And my employees feel comfortable coming

718
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: and going from work. They can come at five in

719
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 4: the morning, they can leave at eight o'clock at night.

720
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Speaker 4: But if you have an employee that says it's getting

721
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 4: dark at five, I'm uncomfortable walking to my car, which,

722
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: by the way, Mike, some of them are uncomfortable and

723
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: should be uncomfortable. Those companies are going to relocate. So

724
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Speaker 4: my point is that city Hall must do a better job.

725
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 4: If they have a plan, they should a comprehensive plan,

726
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: they should articulate that plan, and they still don't. I

727
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 4: don't have a sense that they're supporting our police, and

728
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: so you can't solve crime in any city without supporting police.

729
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that goes without saying. But I don't think

730
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: they get it. You know, I agree with what you're saying.

731
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: Our downtown is a duel. I mean, it just is.

732
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone like it in the country.

733
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: I love going downtown and I'm still doing it, but

734
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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people. I'll say, Hey, did

735
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: you go down to see this play at Aaron Off

736
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: or whatever? And the response is on, I'm not going downtown.

737
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Speaker 1: And it's not to the point now where these places

738
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: are closing down, although some of them are, But man,

739
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Speaker 1: I think that's where we're There was a lot of

740
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: money I think, in most ways wisely spent on downtown,

741
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: the core of the city. If that stuff keeps on happening,

742
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna have to board them up and

743
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. It's it's really really I think at

744
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: a turning point. And I don't know that that council

745
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: is all jassed up about it like they should be.

746
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: No, they're they're they're not. And you know, again, Unfortunately,

747
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: our city council is still bathing in identity politics and

748
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: they're they're they're short armed solutions. And that includes the

749
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: that includes the mayor. I mean, when you think about

750
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 4: it's embarrassing to talk about, but its reality. His car

751
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: being his cars in revote, I mean, that is so embarrassing.

752
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: It's it's it's almost unimaginable. The settlement, the money that

753
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 4: they then pay the contractor, Irish Rowley, all of it's

754
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 4: happening after the elections of voters didn't even go in

755
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: having all the information. Our reporters in this town are lazy.

756
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 4: We used to have, you know, a paper of record

757
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 4: that would dig in, ask questions, and not even one

758
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: article I'm criticizing and publicly that says, hey, mayor, why

759
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 4: didn't we know about the settlement? If you were in

760
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: settlement talks prior to the election, this is a big

761
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: deal for voters. But the mayor and the administration, they

762
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: were hiding this information from the voters. I call that corruption.

763
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 4: It's a it's a major problem. But last thing I'll

764
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 4: say to you, brother, is George Floyd, I didn't I

765
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 4: want to highlight this so that that I want to

766
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 4: speak to the to this matter one. You know, I

767
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: don't think what happened to him should have happened. But

768
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 4: this wasn't a choir boy. I mean, George Floyd had

769
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: an extensive criminal record, right, and so it's like they

770
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 4: built this guy up like he was this wonderful citizen

771
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: that followed the law and had no problems in boom

772
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 4: boom bam, boom bam. This is not somebody that I

773
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: would want it running around with any of my sons.

774
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: I got four sons. This is not I would say,

775
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 4: Oh no, George, for you can't hang with my kids.

776
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 4: You're out here doing too much crazy stuff. Right, You're

777
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: gonna get my kid killed. My point is that it's

778
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 4: always amazing how they try to rehabilitate the reputations of

779
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 4: people when the reality of it was he probably he probably,

780
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just sure gave his mother heartburns

781
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: for her whole life. Like this guy, where are you?

782
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 4: What are you doing? What decisions are you making? Who

783
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 4: are you hanging with? Why are you involved with that?

784
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 4: What do you do? I mean, I'm guarantee you as mother,

785
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 4: his grandmother and aunts and uncles were trying to get

786
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: this guy to make good decisions and he wasn't making them,

787
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: and that ultimately he paid a serious price because of

788
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 4: all of those interactions he was having with law enforcement.

789
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 4: I don't have that issue with my kids. I don't

790
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 4: have that with my four boys. I mean, I just

791
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 4: don't deal with that. My wife and I were very

792
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 4: hard on them, make sure we help them accountable. We

793
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: knew where they were, where they were going, who their

794
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 4: friends were. We need more parenting going into twenty twenty

795
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 4: six where parents know where they are and stop leaving

796
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 4: that work up to our cop and our prosecutors and

797
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: our judges and our teachers. This is a parent issue.

798
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: We have parentless fatherless homes. We've got to address it

799
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. And anybody listening, is this turn

800
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: your life around. If you haven't talked to your kids,

801
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 4: you don't know where your kids are. If you're not

802
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 4: paying child support, you're not supporting the children that you made.

803
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 4: It's not the government government's responsibility to pay for a

804
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 4: child that you made. If we're not handling that business

805
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six, guess what our constant teachers and

806
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: our firefighters are going to have the same problems they

807
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 4: had in twenty twenty five a city councilor the mayor

808
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: with no plan to deal with the crime because they

809
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 4: want to hold everybody's hands. And we have young people

810
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 4: that feel like accountability is not on the table for.

811
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: Them, and that's a problem. That is the most important word,

812
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: you know. They talk about affordability, of course, that's important. Accountability,

813
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: I think is equally important, and it's missing in so

814
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: many facets of our life going into twenty twenty six. Christopher,

815
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: around of time. I really appreciate you catching up with us,

816
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: and I hope we can call on you again.

817
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Mike Allan again, Happy new year

818
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 4: to you and your entire listening audience. People can follow

819
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 4: me on social media on x at vote Smitherman. Please

820
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 4: go and follow me.

821
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: Now, all right, thank you, all right, Christopher Smithman. And

822
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: I've said it in the intro. I'll say it again.

823
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: I hope we've not seen the last of that young

824
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: man in the political world tough anymore, in the city obviously,

825
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: and in the county too. For a he's an independent,

826
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: conservative independent. But if I know Christopher, he's not finished.

827
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: And I certainly hope that's the case. Hey, we got

828
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Speaker 1: to take a break for the news button. When we

829
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: get back, we're going to talk to Epoch Times senior

830
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: reporter Janis Heil. She filed three stories. One is a

831
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: twenty page story just about what the heck's going on

832
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. She's on that thing like white on Rice,

833
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: and you're not going to believe some of the things

834
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: that she found out. And we'll talk to Janis when

835
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Speaker 1: we get back. Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred

836
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Speaker 1: WLW ten thirty six News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike

837
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: allen In for Sloaney will be all next week as well. Well,

838
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the beat goes on in Minnesota

839
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: with this fraud that they've uncovered out there. It seems

840
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: to me like the thought is there at least at

841
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: nine billion dollars and probably headed for quite a bit more.

842
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times has been on this

843
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: story like white on Rice in my opinion and in

844
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: Newt Gingrich's opinion as well. She is the national reporter

845
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: that's covering this thing the most thoroughly, and she filed

846
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: three stories this week. One a very very comprehensive story

847
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: if you're interested and you haven't. You haven't read any

848
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: of her stuff yet. This one is how Minnesota Minnesota nice,

849
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: and Janis is gonna explain that how Minnesota nice progressive

850
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: policy's paved the way for Somali fraud. Janie, thanks so

851
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you. Well, what an introduction.

853
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Speaker 7: I appreciate that.

854
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Speaker 1: Up very Christmas, I mean, Merry Christmas to you too.

855
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. This story goes twenty three pages

856
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: and it is I mean, it's got everything in it.

857
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: And as I said, I think the plot just thickens,

858
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: doesn't it.

859
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 8: Oh, it's hard to even know where to start in

860
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 8: some ways.

861
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, what's the new? What did you find out

862
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: since we last talked. I know, the fraud is just

863
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: it just keeps going up and up and up. But

864
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: just kind of some of the major points that you

865
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: have discovered recently.

866
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's almost like one of those soap

867
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 8: operas that people were addicted to back in the day

868
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 8: when we last left our or our bad guy. Here's

869
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 8: what was going on, and the latest thing that happened

870
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 8: was just a couple of days ago. Kelly Loffler, who

871
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 8: is the head of the small business administration wrote a

872
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 8: letter to Tim Wallash telling him that she's cutting off

873
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 8: five point five million dollars. Now, that sounds like a

874
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 8: drop in the bucket, and when you compare it to

875
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 8: nine billion dollars, but it is, you know, a chunk

876
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 8: of money that you know. She's saying, Look, you're not

877
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 8: going to get this money because Minnesota cannot be trusted

878
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 8: to safeguard these tax payer dollars. So that's the start,

879
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 8: and there's also quite a few efforts to try to

880
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 8: claw back some of the money from the people who

881
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 8: have already been convicted. But Mike, as you know as

882
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 8: a former prosecutor, the forfeiture process is not a flick

883
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 8: the switch and you've got the money.

884
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: It takes a while. It takes a while if it

885
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: happens at all. And if people in Minnesota are counting

886
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: on restitution to make the tax expayers, holl I'm telling

887
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: you right now, it ain't gonna happen, and it's not

888
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: even gonna come close. In your story that I talked

889
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: about in the intro of Minnesota Nice Progressive Policies at

890
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: page four, I just want to read one paragraph here

891
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: because it's just incredible. You talk to a guy named Ed,

892
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: just a normal citizen, I guess, and he said, this

893
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: is Ed. There's a willingness to help everybody without any consequences.

894
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: And then you write this attitude made the state a

895
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: beacon for progressives. It also manifested in generous welfare benefits.

896
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Here it is in twenty twenty three, those programs that

897
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: you've described previously doled out forty six thousand dollars for

898
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: each person in poverty in Minnesota, which is the nation's

899
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: second highest amount, behind only Massachusetts. When I saw that

900
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: forty six thousand buck figure, I mean, you know, ibow

901
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: lost it, and that's forty six thousand probably most of

902
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: our money, I mean national money from all over the

903
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: United States. I mean, that's pretty incredible, wouldn't you think?

904
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 6: Jeez?

905
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 8: I tell you just anytime the dollar amounts start to

906
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 8: come out about this whole scandal, it's just eye popping.

907
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 8: Another one that is a lot of people are not

908
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 8: really pointing out or reporting on that. I do mention

909
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 8: in that story is that Minnesota actually had an eighteen

910
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 8: billion dollar budget surplus.

911
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 9: Yes, every bit.

912
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 8: Of that is gone and then some in just one

913
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 8: two year period. In fact, they are now looking at

914
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 8: being in the hole by three billion dollars. And I'm

915
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 8: telling you, the people I've spoken to who are ordinary

916
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 8: taxpayers are hot about that, and they are feeling it

917
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 8: because they are seeing their property taxes go up because

918
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 8: of the fact that number one inflation over the last

919
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 8: several years prior to the current administration, there are a

920
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 8: lot of policies put in place that inflation did go up,

921
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 8: and the health values went up, and therefore the taxes

922
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 8: went up. Plus new taxes are being piled on top

923
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 8: of citizens to pay for these mandates coming from the

924
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 8: state government. And I'm telling you, people just feel the

925
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 8: squeeze there. It's it's really people are are not are

926
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 8: very unhappy. I will say the ones that I've spoken

927
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 8: to you are, yeah.

928
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: Sure. And that's a theme that runs through this story.

929
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: You know, if you would for my listeners, explain what

930
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: you mean by Minnesota nice and it's you use that

931
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: term in uh a lot of your stories and it

932
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. Will you just explain what that is?

933
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: And I guess along with that the attitude that they

934
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: have some of them out there.

935
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 8: Well, the term Minnesota and nice, I was actually told

936
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 8: it originated from a type of granite found there because

937
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 8: it's felled g N E I S S and that's

938
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 8: pronounced nice. But the kind of you know, manifesting in

939
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 8: a a way of life, it's almost like the people

940
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 8: came from Norway. A lot of people there, and there's

941
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 8: this attitude where you're kind of you're semi warm, but

942
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 8: semi frosty at the same time. The saying is that

943
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 8: a Minnesotan will give you directions to anywhere except to

944
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 8: his own front door. So their hospitality is kind of

945
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 8: more on the surface. And as that guy Ed said

946
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 8: so succinctly, when people are wanting to give and say, oh,

947
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 8: I'm trying to help impoverish people or hungry children or

948
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 8: autistic children, there is a cultural tendency to just not

949
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 8: ask that very many questions about that. There's also not

950
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 8: much of a question, oh I need help. So when

951
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 8: you don't ask questions of either the givers or the

952
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 8: receivers within a government system and you don't have checks

953
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 8: and balances in place, that's a recipe for trouble.

954
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no question about it. And that's a theme

955
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: that kind of runs through your story. At page seven,

956
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: you talk about the former assistant US attorney. I think

957
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: it's his name is Joe Thompson who worked on some

958
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: of the cases. Oh no, Joe tierrab I guess outline

959
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: fraud fueling factors in this case. And then you know,

960
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: here's the weenie, as they say, this is a quote

961
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: from the former US attorney. Yeah, folks, coming from a

962
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: society with high levels of corruption. Of course he's talking

963
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: about Somolians. You mix that with a government handout system

964
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: that has almost no checks and balances, and that's just

965
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: a perfect storm for high levels of corruption. Would you

966
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 1: agree with me that in many ways, that's pretty much

967
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: the problem there in a nutshell.

968
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 8: Well, I quoted him for a reason. You know, the

969
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 8: man did prosecute a lot of these cases. And you know, again,

970
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 8: part of the whole Minnesota Knighte and progressive culture is that,

971
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 8: you know, inclusiveness, that whole inclusive thing, and you don't

972
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 8: want to say anything bad about people from other countries

973
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 8: or ethnic groups because you know it could be viewed

974
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 8: as racism. And so when people in the inside of

975
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 8: the system started to see, hey, this isn't right. How

976
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 8: is it that this place claims to be feeding you know,

977
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 8: three thousand kids in one day and they just started

978
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 8: operating yesterday. You know, when they're asking questions about this,

979
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 8: they're saying, don't say anything about that. You could be

980
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 8: viewed as racist or worse. Some of these whistleblowers have

981
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 8: alleged that they were even surveilled or had discipline and

982
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 8: action taken against them when they tried to raise concerns.

983
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 8: So there are many, many layers to this whole terrible

984
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 8: situation there in Minnesota. But I would like to point out,

985
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 8: as bad as it is in Minnesota, there may be

986
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 8: states where it's worse. I'm looking into trying to do

987
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 8: more of a state a nationwide picture of what fraud

988
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 8: looks like. Me luck with that.

989
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: One, absolutely, And I think I might have told you

990
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: I've had any numbers of callers on my Saturday show

991
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: saying that and pointing to Columbus, and a couple of

992
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: them said, hey, you know, stand by because something's coming

993
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: out of there too. Have you heard anything about that?

994
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 8: That is actually on my very long list of follow

995
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 8: up stories to try to get to. I'm one reporter,

996
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 8: but man, it was sure to.

997
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 7: Be nice to have a team of us working on this.

998
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 8: But you know, we're a lean and mean operation, and

999
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 8: you know, try to do our very best with with

1000
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 8: you know, just a smaller staff. But I tell you

1001
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 8: what I'm I'm very aware of that. I've heard some

1002
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 8: things about that. I haven't substantiated anything along those lines,

1003
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 8: but it is on my list of things to definitely

1004
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 8: look into.

1005
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: You know, the stories you crank out, in the detail

1006
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: within which you crank them out is absolutely incredible. It's phenomenal.

1007
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this just isn't some kind of

1008
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: opinion piece that said, boy, this is horrible. You drill

1009
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: down on it, and I know I appreciate it. I

1010
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: think everybody else does too. But one thing too, and

1011
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: this I don't. Oh, okay, this is from Joe Thompson,

1012
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: a quote that, again I think, kind of just boils

1013
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: it all down. Minnesota's fraud ridden programs all have one

1014
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: thing in common, and I know from reading your stories

1015
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: this is absolutely right. The one thing in common sudden

1016
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 1: explosive growth according to figures, you know, the way these

1017
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: the amounts spent on these programs just skyrocket. I know

1018
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: one of them I've read in your reporting for supposedly

1019
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: helping I think it was disabled children. They were billing

1020
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: at twelve bucks or excuse me, twelve hours per day,

1021
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: and that doesn't make any sense. And that one had

1022
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: explosive growth. Sounds to me like that's kind of a

1023
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: common factor, right.

1024
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 8: And that is definitely something that pointed out. There are

1025
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 8: multipleables there in that passage that you said. I can't

1026
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 8: remember some of them off the top of my head.

1027
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 8: I remember one that started at like it was projected

1028
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 8: to cause two point two two point two million a year,

1029
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 8: went up one hundred and seventy million within about three years.

1030
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's just incredible. You got a

1031
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: governor who you know, at the end of the day,

1032
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be watching what's going on. There is

1033
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: no way that if this was happening in the state

1034
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: of Ohio, I guarantee you that Mike Dwaine would know

1035
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: about it and would have done something about it. And

1036
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: as you said, and others have said as well, again

1037
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: with respect to media reporting, nobody wants to be called

1038
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: a racist, so this nonsense goes on. I mean, it's

1039
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: just incredible. What's next on your list, Janis with respect

1040
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: to this, I know you mentioned you're going to start

1041
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: looking at other states.

1042
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 8: Right, well, looking at other states is a big deal

1043
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 8: all also trying to bring out some more information about

1044
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 8: where the money went. I have obtained some federal court

1045
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 8: exhibits that show vehicles and checks and you know, other

1046
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 8: documentations showing how millions of dollars of the taxpayer's money

1047
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 8: went to things that most people would be pretty upset

1048
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 8: to see, just trying to show where that money went,

1049
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 8: and also about the forfeiture process, how difficult that is.

1050
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 8: One of the lawmakers I interviewed told me that technically

1051
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 8: the taxpayers of Minnesota now on a bakery here in

1052
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 8: Ohio that the quote own is in quotes, you know,

1053
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 8: because that was one of the things that that reportedly

1054
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 8: with purchased with some of these ill gotten games.

1055
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: Yep.

1056
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: And it goes on and on and on. I know

1057
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: you don't do politics. I know you don't report on

1058
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: polosy tetch. You report on facts. But and I've asked

1059
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: you this, I think a couple of times before. I mean,

1060
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: the heat's got to be building under Governor Waltz to

1061
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: get the hell out of there and resign. Have you

1062
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: heard anything more about that?

1063
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 8: Well, the one of the Trump cabinet members, Lenna McMahon,

1064
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 8: the head of.

1065
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: The Education department.

1066
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 8: Yes, pointed out about these ghost students. Uh, people who

1067
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 8: are receiving a bunch of money for never even attending

1068
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 8: school or maybe even didn't exist.

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Speaker 2: These people didn't exist.

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Speaker 8: Are you know money going out?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 8: She faulted him for that. Now, in his defense, some

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01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 8: people are saying things like, you know, the head guy

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Speaker 8: can't know everything. But when there, when it's this multifaceted,

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Speaker 8: a lot of people are saying, in fact what you said,

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Speaker 8: which is that they believe he had to at least know,

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 8: and the whistleblader blowers are saying that they told him.

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Speaker 2: And on top of it.

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Speaker 8: Yes, there are there. These men didn't go so far

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01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 8: as saying that, you know, we want you to resign

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01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 8: Tim Walls, but one hundred mayors in Minnesota banded together

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Speaker 8: and sent a letter his way. Now, maybe you know,

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Speaker 8: I know the public's tired of letters, letters, letters, but

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Speaker 8: you know this one, when one hundred mayors are signing it,

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Speaker 8: you know that is a much louder microphone in so

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01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 8: to speak, or megaphones than just one lone voice or

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01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 8: you know, making a post on social media. So they're saying, look,

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 8: our communities are hurting. This has to stop. We demand accountability,

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Speaker 8: and they were asking it of not just him, but

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Speaker 8: also the state lawmakers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have to have it. I've never

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Speaker 1: seen anything like this. I've been around quite a while,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's just going to keep getting bigger

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Speaker 1: and bigger. One thing, I just want to read a quote.

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Speaker 1: This is mainly for the listeners of something that Waltz said.

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Speaker 1: It's just the guy's just he's not based in the

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01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: real world. He's in dream world three or somewhere else. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is the governor. This is outrageous. I expect political

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Speaker 1: attacks in an election year, said Waltz, whose re election

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Speaker 1: bid faces at least ten Republican challengers, including Robins. He's

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Speaker 1: a state I think rep Okay, here's what he says, Waltz,

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Speaker 1: what is unacceptable is actively withholding information about fraud and

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01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: blocking investigations in order to advance a political agenda. If

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01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: there is fraud, it needs to be investigated immediately, not

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01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: sat on, redirected, or used for political theater. In your reporting,

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Speaker 1: which has been extensive, I mean relatively short period of time,

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01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: have you seen any evidence of any of that, withholding information,

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01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: blocking investigations in order to advance a political agenda.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's certainly not on the inside of all of that,

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01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 8: but no, I haven't seen that. What he's actually respond

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01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 8: to is the representative Robin's a lady who has the

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 8: fraud you know, Anti fraud and Committee in the House

1113
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 8: of Representatives there in Minnesota. She uh, you know, said, look,

1114
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 8: I have whistleblowers coming to me. They've they've come out

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01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 8: at this Uh there's like an online portal where they

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 8: can they are guaranteed the anonymity. Apparently, hundreds of whistle

1117
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 8: blowers who work for the state well Welfare Department have

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01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 8: come forward and made allegations and provided information to her

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01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 8: and other members of the committee. She says she doesn't

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Speaker 8: feel comfortable giving that to the Attorney general or the other,

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01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 8: you know, members of the government in the state, so

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Speaker 8: she gives it to the US Attorney's office. She's like,

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Speaker 8: these people don't trust you. The whistle blowing would stop

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Speaker 8: if it went to you guys, because allegedly you guys

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Speaker 8: sat on it. You are the ones who sat on it.

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Speaker 8: Now he's accusing her of quote unquote just not doing

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01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 8: anything with it or sitting on it, and she's saying, no,

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Speaker 8: I hinden information over.

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Speaker 1: As soon as we investigate that it's.

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Speaker 8: Credible, we send it over to the US Attorney's Office,

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01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 8: the FBI, other appropriate agencies. And he's after he heard this.

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01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 8: She said this at a public meeting. That was his

1133
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 8: response that he accused her of hiding information.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, well, we're out of time, Channis. I can't thank

1135
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: you enough. And I know my listeners feel the same

1136
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: way because they tell me how much we appreciate you

1137
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: filling us in on this because you're keyed in and

1138
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: hope we can continue to call on you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, any tips about Ohio, feel free to contact me.

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Speaker 1: The easiest way to do that is just to go

1141
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: on my.

1142
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 8: Twitter and you can see it is Janis High School.

1143
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Speaker 2: Hi.

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01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 8: Sl has my email address right there. It's harder to

1145
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 8: explain on the air, so just go to my ex

1146
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 8: account Twitter or go to the Epoch ep oh Times

1147
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 8: and you can try to find me on there.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good, thanks, Javis, Thank you. Okay, all right, boy,

1149
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Like I said, the plot thickens

1150
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: and she's all over it. It's just hard to grasp

1151
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: just the breadth of this thing, I mean, and it

1152
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: just keeps getting bigger and bigger and accountability. That's what's

1153
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: needed here, and I hope at some point we get it. Hey,

1154
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: we got to take a break. Button we get back.

1155
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: Elwood Jones, we talked about it a little bit earlier.

1156
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: He's the dude that had his conviction for murder not

1157
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: reversed because it wasn't a legal thing. Prosecutor decided to

1158
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: drop the charges. Lo and behold, dude. I think it

1159
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: was Christmas Eve Cosettin gets DUI runs from the cops.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to our legal analyst, Steve Gooden

1161
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: about that. And I thought we were finished with Epstein.

1162
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: Think again. We'll talk to Steve when we get back.

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Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Sloy seven hundred wl the Radio

1164
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: seven hundred wl W. Mike Allen in for Sloaney the

1165
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: day after Christmas. Elwood Jones, it's a case that will

1166
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: not go away, and this time it was from his doing.

1167
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: I think it was Christmas Eve. He got arrested for

1168
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: OVII leaving the scene of an accident and failure to control. Interestingly,

1169
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: it's not up on the clerk's website yet, but you know,

1170
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Speaker 1: we're in a holiday weekend, so I'm not reading much

1171
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: into that, but here to talk about that in other

1172
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: things is our legal analyst Steve Good And Steve, thanks

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01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having.

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Speaker 1: Me your your thoughts on Elwood. When you read this,

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Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know I could. It seems about part for

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01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: the course right now. Yeah, Hamilton County. I mean, I mean,

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01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: really it's about where we are, uh, and there's more

1180
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 2: to come, you know. I mean the prash, the new

1181
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 2: prosecutor County Village has announced she actually went to the

1182
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 2: county commission and asked for more money to create this

1183
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: prosecution integrity unit where they're going to go back and

1184
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: look at old cases and so forth. And I think

1185
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: sometimes it's kind of a hall of mirrors and they

1186
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: get lost. I mean, look, Ella was out celebrating because

1187
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks ago the prosecutor dropped all

1188
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: the appeals and publicly announced she wasn't convinced he did it.

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Speaker 2: She did that after years of litigation where they basically

1190
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: re examined every piece of evidence, they looked at potential

1191
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: greedy violations where things weren't turned over to the to

1192
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 2: the defense all the way back in the nineties. At

1193
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 2: the end of the day, though, no real new evidence

1194
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: emerged that cleared him. I mean, it's not like there

1195
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,879
Speaker 2: was some sort of DNA that now could be tested.

1196
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: It wasn't like another suspect if someone confessed in a

1197
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 2: lot of these old cases, you know, barring some sort

1198
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: of DNA that actually cleared here's the person. It's just

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Speaker 2: kind of like, look, now the witnesses are dead, the

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01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 2: primary detective is dead. That is actually one of their

1201
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: main grounds for appeal. They have accused him of planting

1202
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: the most damning piece of physical evidence, which was miss

1203
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 2: Nathan's bracelet, the victims bracelet that was found in Elwood's

1204
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,919
Speaker 2: toolbox and his trunk, and now that he's dead, they

1205
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 2: basically have created this issue thirty years later that he

1206
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: placed it there. But wait, we can't cross examine him

1207
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: now because he's dead, and that's one of their big

1208
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: grounds for appeal. So if this is what's coming, then

1209
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: we can get ready for more Elwood Jones type scenarios

1210
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 2: where they're going to go back and kind of rewrite

1211
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: history and let all out of these folks out. So, yeah,

1212
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Speaker 2: it looks like Elwood was out celebrating on Christmas Eve,

1213
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: we get a lot to celebrate, you knows, as he

1214
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been driving his car. It looks like I

1215
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 2: don't know what he hit. Again, we don't have the

1216
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 2: full details. There was an accident and he's been accused

1217
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 2: of leaving the scene of an accident. He's out of

1218
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 2: jail again. It was over in the Walnut Hills neighborhood,

1219
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of nice part of one of tills.

1220
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 2: It's being redeveloped, so we don't know what he was

1221
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: up to. I'm surprised to get a driver's license. A

1222
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 2: TI point has been locked up for thirty seven. Yeah,

1223
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: but no, there's going to be more of this to come.

1224
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: You know, and you just think about it when you

1225
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: think somebody have enough sense to kind of lay low

1226
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: and maybe Colin Uber, which kind of raises my next

1227
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 1: question about money. He stands to hit the jackpot pretty good.

1228
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: Steve on the wrongful conviction, allegedly wrongfully convicted, I think

1229
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: you have to file those things through the Ohio Court

1230
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: of Claims. What are your thoughts on that?

1231
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I lit Agate up in the Court

1232
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: of Claims a fair amount. It's a very.

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Speaker 7: Strange it's a strange place at the court that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people don't even know about it. I mean,

1235
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 2: whenever you sue the state, you know there is this

1236
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: special court up in Columbus you can get a jury trial,

1237
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 2: but only under very very select circumstances. The Attorney General's

1238
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: office tends to step in to represent the local county

1239
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: prosecutors in these cases. So you know, you know, the

1240
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 2: local folks who are involved, like you know our former

1241
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 2: colleague Mark Pete Meyer and so forth, he won't have

1242
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: any real say in what happens. At most be a witness,

1243
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: but no, they have a history of paying out these

1244
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: kinds of claims. And the biggest problem we had, he

1245
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 2: I mean the taxpayers will have is that statement that

1246
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: the miss pillach Er any prosecutor made where she said

1247
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: not only did she say, look, we can't if she

1248
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 2: could have come out and said, look, we can't retry

1249
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: the case because of these court rulings. Our you know,

1250
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 2: the detective has passed away, we can't really redo this now.

1251
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: That would have been one thing, but she actually affirmatively

1252
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: said in her press conference or press release. I can't

1253
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 2: recall which one that she is no longer convinced that

1254
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: el One Jones committed to cross right. So she has

1255
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: actually raised the issue of what they call actual innocence,

1256
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 2: which is more or less just like it's getting the

1257
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: check book out. That's just a question how big the

1258
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 2: truck's going to be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I was going to ask you, would

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: you care to Hansward A guess, you know the neighborhood

1261
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about. For him, it's probably going to be

1262
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: a pretty good payday.

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Speaker 2: Look, I can throw this one out. I mean a

1264
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: case I was involved in fairly recently where I was

1265
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: representing a corrections officer, and I can't talk about the

1266
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: execut details because he ended up settling. But let's just

1267
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: say that an inmate who was serving life for murder,

1268
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 2: not on death row, but serving life broke his back

1269
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: because of because of a tussle he had with some

1270
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 2: corrections officers where he was at fault, but the officers

1271
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 2: did not use proper protocol. And again, this guy is

1272
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Speaker 2: locked up for life. It was a seven figures settled,

1273
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: you know, millions. So if you can if a guy

1274
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: who's never getting out of prison, who's fighting with security

1275
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: guard corrections officers, can get over a million bucks. You

1276
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: can imagine what a guy who said on death row,

1277
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 2: who is now being touted as potentially innocent, might be

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: in line for so.

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Speaker 1: The taxpayers taking on the chin again you know exactly, Hey,

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,959
Speaker 1: let me I mean he might go ahead, Steve.

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01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 2: You might be the most eligible bachelor in Townward Jones

1282
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 2: and people knowing what's coming his way.

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01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point. I think he'll have

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01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: some potential suitors, if you will, right. He focusing on

1285
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: the DUI. Of course, the mandatory minimum for first offender

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01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: in Ohio is three days. And I looked, and it's

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: only Hamilton County. I don't see any prior o v I,

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01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: very few prior traffic offenses. And it's something like this,

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01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: I think is judge specific. I think he would agree

1290
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, he does have a leaving the scene,

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01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:39,919
Speaker 1: and some judges take that pretty seriously. But the convictions,

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: let's just say he's convicted of ov I and maybe

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01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: one of the others that in no way has any

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01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: legal effect on his murder case, does it?

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: No, not at all. In fact, you know, you know,

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01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: in Ohio or in Hamilton County. I mean, typically what

1297
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 2: would happen as you know is, unless the leaving the

1298
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: scene in Ball was some severe property damage or god

1299
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 2: for bit enough person being injured, which it doesn't look

1300
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 2: like was the case here. That would typically be charged

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,879
Speaker 2: pretty early on you know, a first time OVII offender.

1302
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: Half the time they end up being convicted of a

1303
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: lesser offense like reckless operation and said to a three

1304
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: day alcohol education program, right, which has done privately, you

1305
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 2: like in a hotel setting. Right. So if he is

1306
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 2: treated like a regular first time offender, and assuming that

1307
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 2: the accident underlying it is not serious, and also assuming

1308
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 2: he had insurance to take care of the accident, a

1309
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: lot of judges do look at that specifically, then yeah,

1310
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 2: he may never see the inside of the jail cell.

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: In fact, they didn't even process them through the justice

1312
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 2: center the other night. They just they sent him home. Yeah,

1313
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: sent him home.

1314
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: In fairness, that happens quite a bit on those kind

1315
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 1: of charges. But you know, you raised a really interesting

1316
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: point about how to hell that guy get a driver's license?

1317
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, uh so quickly I guess, well,

1318
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay tuned on that one. Like I said,

1319
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: there's nothing up on the clerk's website yet. But We're

1320
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: in a kind of hollowy holiday situation, so I'll continue

1321
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: to watch it. I did want to ask you the

1322
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: the case with respect to the one, uh man, I'll

1323
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: tell you there is so much here on Epstein. It's

1324
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: a hard it's hard keeping up with it. It's not dead,

1325
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: I guess, is the question. They said. Do OJ says

1326
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: it has found more than a million additional Epstein documents.

1327
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: Will this thing ever go away? Steve Gooden, uh No,

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: it will not.

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 2: I mean our kids and our kids' kids will be

1330
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 2: using the word Epstein as a you know, shorthand for corruption, pedophilia,

1331
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: scary stuff, powerful people, you know, hanging out and being

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01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: blackmailed potentially. Of course, you know, we'll never know all

1333
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 2: of it. And I'm telling you it's a rabbit hole

1334
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 2: you can go down. I made the mistake a couple

1335
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 2: of days ago of looking at the at the current

1336
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 2: TRANCHA documents, of which there are hundreds of thousands. They

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01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: are now searchable in a database on the DOJ website

1338
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 2: Justice dot gov. You can click right on it. You

1339
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,719
Speaker 2: can put in keywords. I put in Trump Clinton, Hillary

1340
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: Clinton and get all that. They and they pull up

1341
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 2: the PDF documents most of which have been redacted, particularly

1342
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: any that involved underage people. You know, the faces are obscured,

1343
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: but it's it's amazing what's on there, and it's amazing

1344
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:39,480
Speaker 2: that there's more. I mean, this guy apparently was prolific

1345
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 2: in his use of email and text messages and other things.

1346
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: He was just he was a constant communicator and kind

1347
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 2: of a mover and shaker. Yeah, and you know, we

1348
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 2: just in every new Tranta document shows another level of

1349
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: famous people that he had down on the island. The

1350
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 2: last time came out. There was a lot of entertainers,

1351
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: you know, people like you know, early Diana Ross, Michael Jackson,

1352
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 2: which as an eye raiser, I guess for a number

1353
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 2: of reasons. And in a whole bunch of new stuff

1354
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: with Bill Clinton, which again does it depict him directly

1355
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 2: doing anything improper, but it certainly undercuts his public statements

1356
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: that he and Epstein weren't that close. I mean, they

1357
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 2: look pretty chummy in these photos. In fact, there's one

1358
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 2: in a hot where he's sitting in a hot tub

1359
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 2: with the Scalene Maxwell's who's also serving prison time for

1360
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 2: basically acting as Epstein's pimp for underage traffic t women.

1361
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: So not a good look for a former president to

1362
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 2: be sitting.

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01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 7: There with a woman who was engaged in that kind of.

1364
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: Activity, and they all look pretty friendly, and it just

1365
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: begs the question of who had wat on whom and

1366
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 2: how did he You know, here's a guy Epstein who

1367
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 2: worked briefly at bear Stearns and in the early eighties,

1368
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: never had a college degree, was never actually a broker,

1369
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 2: never had a broker's license, but he amassed a billion

1370
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 2: dollar fortune, had private island in the US, Virgin Island,

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01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: a massive in New York, and have people and was

1372
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: managing money for people like Les Wexner out of the Columbus,

1373
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 2: whoes you know, owns these you know l brands with

1374
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 2: half the stores in any mall are owned by Les Wexner.

1375
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 2: How he insinuated himself into the scenarios when he really

1376
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 2: didn't have the credentials begs the question of what he

1377
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: had on these people. And that's what I think Epstein

1378
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 2: will always mean. And I think actually the more documents

1379
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: that are released makes it harder, you know, to determine it.

1380
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, even now, if someone came forward,

1381
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 2: if some like ninety year old guy came forward and said, hey,

1382
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 2: I was the guy that engineered the conspiracy to kill JFK.

1383
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 2: No one will believe it now, you know, there's all

1384
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories. So I don't know that we'll ever

1385
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 2: know exactly what happened. And he's dead. Maxwell is in

1386
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: prison and really not talking, and even if she did talk,

1387
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,839
Speaker 2: I think everyone would think that that's all self serving.

1388
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 2: The Clintons are lawyered up and fighting their subpoenas. Donald

1389
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 2: Trump is in these all over, but his Justice Apartment

1390
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 2: is releasing them slowly but surely. So I just don't

1391
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 2: know that anyone's ever.

1392
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 7: Going to be satisfied with what happened, no matter how

1393
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 7: many documents they find.

1394
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: Politico has been covering it, and they say today the

1395
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: DOJ claims the Epstein Maxwell file exceeds one point seven million.

1396
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: Now I get it. I mean, he was a high

1397
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: powered dude. He hung with high powered people, and you're

1398
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: familiar with complex civil and criminal litigation. One point seven

1399
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: million documents, though, Steve, I just don't understand how it

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01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: could get to be that much.

1401
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you when you start playing with

1402
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 2: them on that on the searchable website, which which I get.

1403
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: I don't recommend people do it. I mean, I went

1404
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 2: down the rebitue. It's amazing works there. I mean, this guy,

1405
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: he's one of these guys that probably I mean, I'm

1406
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 2: just guessing because I know the level of email traffic

1407
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 2: at our law firm. It's not uncommon for me to

1408
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: get one hundred fifty two hundred emails a day, a

1409
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 2: lot of them being sales emails and garbage. But you know,

1410
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 2: for me to get like one hundred or one hundred

1411
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: and twenty legitimate emails, and I'm just a lawyer in Ohio,

1412
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: it's not uncommon. So I mean, this is a guy

1413
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: that really worked. There's a lot of emails, and he

1414
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: also took tons and tons of pictures. Most of them

1415
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 2: it looks like off his phone, but you know, there

1416
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: are you know, he was constantly recording everything he did,

1417
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, his plane rides or his

1418
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: guests or so forth. So I mean, of what I've seen,

1419
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: the bulk of it are emails and in photographs. There's

1420
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: also a lot of financial statements. I mean, obviously he

1421
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 2: was managing money for people and for himself, so there's

1422
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: a lot of financial stuff that have account numbers and

1423
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: so forth, obviously redacted. There's heavy, heavy, heavy redactions in

1424
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: a lot of these. But you know, it's just you know,

1425
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 2: if you think about the way a lot of us

1426
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 2: live now, I mean, most of this activity, you know

1427
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 2: that's there's from the late nineties and into the early

1428
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: to mid two thousands, so you know, there's cell phones,

1429
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 2: there's texting, there's emails, there's photographs that way, so we

1430
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: all generate more documents than we think. I mean, I'm

1431
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: involved in a simple contract dispute locally, and I just

1432
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 2: learned right before Christmas that there were twenty five thousand

1433
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 2: emails in the exchange between the people over at eighteen

1434
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 2: month period. So you know, you just and that's not

1435
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 2: even that complicated a case. So it's just the way

1436
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 2: we live now and have for the last twenty five years.

1437
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: So I'm not too surprised by that. It's just a

1438
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 2: lot of them are kind of just tantalizing. They have

1439
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: little nuggets that make you wonder. Yeah, but there's so

1440
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 2: far no big smoking gun.

1441
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, and the thing about it is, speaking politically,

1442
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: if there are anything that bad on Trump, don't you

1443
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: think it would have been put out a long, long

1444
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: time ago.

1445
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's what I think, and I'll tell

1446
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 2: you you know, look, the fact that he associated with

1447
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 2: Epstein and was down on that, you know, was apparently

1448
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 2: on the plane several times, and is clearly I mean,

1449
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 2: they were clearly friends. And I think the quote from

1450
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: Susie Wiles's chief of staff and who I don't know

1451
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 2: how you know, it was not maybe the best quote,

1452
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 2: but I think an honest one and said, look, her

1453
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 2: quote was quote, they were young playboys together, you know,

1454
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 2: the guys in their late thirties, early forties running around

1455
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 2: in New York, single guys both with money and uh

1456
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 2: you know, really liking uh you know, the high life

1457
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: and clearly, you know, looking looking for companionship one way

1458
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 2: or the other. And that's you know, it's gonna it's

1459
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 2: gonna be something that a lot of folks are going

1460
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: to regard as a black mark on the president. But

1461
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 2: the idea that he was either being blackmailed or knew anything,

1462
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 2: I mean, surely, you know, if someone had that kind

1463
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 2: of a skeleton in their closet, uh that and remember

1464
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 2: it would be weird that they would seek public office

1465
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: at all. McCall that, you know, Epstein was long in prison,

1466
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 2: but the time that Trump ran for ran for office,

1467
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 2: so you know, he had to know that. You know,

1468
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 2: there were multiple grand jury investigations into Epstein, including in

1469
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 2: New York, multi year grand jury investigations, the documents which

1470
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 2: are gradually being unsealed and released. So if he had

1471
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: had some grand great concern about that, you know, I

1472
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 2: can't imagine that he would have jumped into public office.

1473
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: And the other thing is, even if some sort of

1474
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: document emerges now, his hard core supporters aren't going to

1475
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: buy it. I mean, particularly after what happened with the

1476
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 2: Russia situation. It really was a hoax, you know, particularly

1477
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: with you know, with you know, with the some of

1478
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian impeachment, which we now know really you know,

1479
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 2: wasn't some sort of an impeachable offense. Right, So there

1480
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: have been so many things thrown out him at this

1481
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: point that I think he's almost kind of immune to

1482
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: whatever is in there. But it's clear he knew him,

1483
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: It's clear they socialized, and it's clear you know that

1484
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: at one point they were pretty tight. He says he

1485
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 2: broke it off with him about in two thousand and

1486
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 2: five or six. Uh, you know, prior to everything happening,

1487
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: and there's really been nothing so far to contradict that.

1488
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: All Right, Steve Ryan time, I really appreciate you talking

1489
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: to us about this, and I think we'll stay tuned

1490
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: on both el Would and our good friend Epstein, and

1491
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 1: you know you'll keep us posted on it. I appreciate it.

1492
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:07,680
Speaker 2: Hey, anytime, take care of what.

1493
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you? You know my goodness, one point seven

1494
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: million documents and Steve's explanation for that is completely legit

1495
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: and accurate. It just I wish they'd just do one

1496
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: big damn thing to just get it over with. Anyway,

1497
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 1: we will take a break and when we get back,

1498
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: your calls seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred, the

1499
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 1: big one are the numbers if you want to be involved.

1500
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Slowey, seven hundred WLW. There's radio

1501
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: seven hundred wl W. Mike Allen in for Sloaney. The

1502
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: day after Christmas, Elwood Jones, it's a case that will

1503
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: not go away, and this time it was from his doing.

1504
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: I think it was Christmas Eve he got arrested for

1505
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: OVII leaving the scene of an accident and failure to control. Interestingly,

1506
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 1: it's not up on the clerk's website yet. But you know,

1507
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: we're in a holiday weekend, so I'm not reading much

1508
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: into that. But here to talk about that in other

1509
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: things is our legal analyst Steve Good. And Steve, thanks

1510
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me

1511
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Elwood. When you read this, I mean

1512
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.

1513
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 2: It, you know, I could. It seems about part for

1514
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: the course right now. Yeah, you're Hamilton County. I mean,

1515
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 2: I mean, really it's about where we are and there's

1516
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: more to come, you know. I mean the prosecutor, the

1517
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 2: new prosecutor County Village is announced. Sheley went to the

1518
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 2: county Commission and asked for more money to create this

1519
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: prosecution integrity unit where they're going to go back and

1520
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 2: look at old cases and so forth. And I think

1521
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 2: sometimes it's it's kind of a hall of mirrors and

1522
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 2: they get lost. I mean, look, Elwa was out celebrating

1523
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: because just a couple of weeks ago the prosecutor dropped

1524
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 2: all the appeals and publicly announced she wasn't convinced he

1525
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: did it. She did that after years of litigation where

1526
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: they basically re examined every piece of evidence, they looked

1527
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: at potential greedy violations where things weren't turned over to

1528
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 2: the or to the defense all the way back in

1529
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 2: the nineties. At the end of the day, though, no

1530
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 2: real new evidence emerged that cleared him. I mean, it's

1531
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 2: not like there was some sort of DNA that now

1532
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: could be tested. It wasn't like another suspect if someone

1533
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 2: confessed in a lot of these old cases, you know,

1534
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 2: barring some sort of DNA that actually clears the person.

1535
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, look, now the witnesses are dead,

1536
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 2: the primary detective is dead. That is actually one of

1537
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 2: their main grounds for appeal. They have accused him of

1538
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,560
Speaker 2: planting the most damning piece of physical evidence, which was

1539
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: miss Nathan's bracelet, the victims bracelet that was found in

1540
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 2: Elwood's toolbox and his trunk, and now that he's dead,

1541
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 2: they basically have created this issue thirty years later that

1542
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 2: he placed it there. Wait, we can't cross examine him

1543
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: now because he's dead, and that's one of their big

1544
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: grounds for appeals. So if this is what's coming, then

1545
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 2: we can get ready for more Elwood Jones type scenarios

1546
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: where they're going to go back and kind of rewrite

1547
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: history and let a lot of these folks out, So yeah,

1548
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 2: it looks like Elwood was out celebrating on Christmas Eve.

1549
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,160
Speaker 2: We get a lot to celebrate, yeah know, as well

1550
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: as he shouldn't have been driving his car. It looks

1551
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: like I don't know what he hit. Again, we don't

1552
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 2: have the full details, but there was an accident and

1553
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: he's been accused of leaving the scene of an accident.

1554
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: He's out of jail again. It was over in the

1555
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 2: Walnut Hills neighborhood, in this kind of nice part of

1556
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 2: Waldo Hills that's being redeveloped, so we don't know what

1557
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 2: he was up to. I'm surprised he got a driver's

1558
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 2: license at this point. He has been locked up for

1559
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: thirty seven Yearah. But no, there's going to be more

1560
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 2: of this to come, you know.

1561
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: And do you just think about it when't you think

1562
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: somebody have enough sense to kind of lay low and

1563
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe calling uber, which kind of raises my next question

1564
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 1: about me. He stands to hit the jackpot pretty good.

1565
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Steve on the wrongful conviction, allegedly wrongfully convicted, I think

1566
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: you have to file those things through the Ohio Court

1567
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: of Claims. What are your thoughts on that.

1568
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I litigate up in the Court of

1569
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 2: Claims a fair amount. It's a very strange. It's a

1570
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 2: strange place at the court that a lot of people

1571
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 2: don't even know about it. I mean, whenever you sue

1572
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 2: the state, you know, there is this special court up

1573
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 2: in Columbus. You can get a jury trial, but only

1574
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: under very very select circumstances. The Attorney General's office tends

1575
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 2: to step in to represent the local county prosecutors in

1576
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 2: these cases. So you know, you know, the local folks

1577
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 2: who are involved, like you know, our former colleague Mark

1578
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 2: Pete Meyer and so forth, he won't have any real

1579
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: say in what happens. At most be a witness, but no,

1580
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,759
Speaker 2: they have a history of paying out these kinds of claims.

1581
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 2: And the biggest problem we had, he, I mean, the

1582
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 2: taxpayers will have is that statement that the miss Pilla

1583
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: Chern her maid where she said, not only did she say, look,

1584
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 2: we can't if she could just come out and said, look,

1585
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 2: we can't retry the case because of these court rulings.

1586
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: Our you know, the detective has passed away. We can't

1587
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 2: really redo this now, that would have been one thing,

1588
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 2: but she actually affirmatively said in her press conference or

1589
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 2: press release. I can't recall which one that she is

1590
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: no longer convinced that l One Jodes committed to cross right.

1591
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: So she has actually raised the issue of what they

1592
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 2: call actual innocence, which is more or less just like

1593
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 2: it's getting the check book out.

1594
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 7: That's just a question how big the tech's going to be.

1595
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I was going to ask you, would

1596
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 1: you care to Hansward A guess, you know the neighborhood

1597
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 1: we're talking about. For him, it's probably going to be

1598
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: a pretty.

1599
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: Good play day. Look, I can throw this one out.

1600
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 2: I mean a case I was involved in fairly recently

1601
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: where I was representing a corrections officer. I can't talk

1602
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 2: about the execut details because it ended up settling. But

1603
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: let's just say that an inmate who was serving life

1604
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 2: for murder, not on death row, but serving life broke

1605
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 2: his back because of you, because of a tussle he

1606
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 2: had with some corrections officers where he was at fault,

1607
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 2: but the officers did not use proper protocol. And again,

1608
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 2: this guy is locked up for life. It was a

1609
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: seven figures subtled, you know, millions. So if you can

1610
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 2: if a guy who's never getting out of prison, who's

1611
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 2: fighting with security guard corrections officers, can get over a

1612
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 2: million bucks. You can imagine what a guy who said

1613
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:27,759
Speaker 2: on death row, who is now being touted as potentially innocent,

1614
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 2: might be in line for.

1615
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: So the taxpayers take it on the chin again, you

1616
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: know exactly, Hey, I mean.

1617
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 2: He might go ahead, Steve, you might be the most

1618
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 2: eligible bachelor in town Wood Jones and people knowing what's

1619
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: coming his way.

1620
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point. I think he'll have

1621
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 1: some potential suitors if you will, right, Hey, focusing on

1622
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: the dui. Of course, the mandatory minimum for first offender

1623
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: in Ohio is three days. And I look, and it's

1624
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 1: only Hamilton County. I don't see any prior o V

1625
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: very few prior traffic offenses. And it's something like this,

1626
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: I think is judge specific. I think he would agree

1627
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, he does have a leaving the scene,

1628
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: and some judges take that pretty seriously. But the convictions,

1629
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: let's just say he's convicted of OVI and maybe one

1630
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 1: of the others that in no way has any legal

1631
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: effect on his murder case, does it?

1632
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 2: No, not at all? In fact, you know, you know,

1633
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 2: in Ohio or in Hamilton County. I mean typically what

1634
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: would happen, as you know, is unless the leaving the

1635
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 2: scene involves some severe property damage or god for bit

1636
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 2: enough person being injured, which it doesn't look like was

1637
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 2: the case here, that would typically be charged pretty early

1638
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 2: on you know, a first time OVII offender. Half the

1639
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 2: time they end up being convicted of a lesser offense

1640
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,599
Speaker 2: like reckless operation and said to a three day alcohol

1641
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: education program, right, which has done private what do you

1642
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 2: like in a hotel setting? Right? So, if he is

1643
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 2: treated like a regular first time offender, and assuming that

1644
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 2: the accident underlying it is not serious, and also assuming

1645
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: he had insurance to take care of the accident, a

1646
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 2: lot of judges do look at that share specifically, then yeah,

1647
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 2: he may never see the inside of the jail cell.

1648
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 2: In fact, they didn't even process him through the justice

1649
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 2: center the other night. They just they sent him home.

1650
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, in in fairness, that happens quite a bit on

1651
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: those kind of charges. But you know, you raised a

1652
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 1: really interesting point about how the hell that guy get

1653
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: a driver's license. I mean, you know, uh so quickly

1654
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 1: I guess, well, I'm going to stay tuned.

1655
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 7: On that one.

1656
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's nothing up on the clerk's website yet,

1657
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: but we're in a kind of hollowy holiday situation, so

1658
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: I'll continue to watch it. I did want to ask

1659
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 1: you the case with respect to the one man. I'll

1660
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: tell you there is so much here on it's a

1661
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: hard it's hard keeping up with it. It's not dead,

1662
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 1: I guess, is the question. They said. DJ says it

1663
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: has found more than a million additional Epstein documents. Will

1664
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 1: this thing ever go away, Steve Gooden.

1665
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: Uh No, it will not. I mean, our kids and

1666
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 2: our kids' kids will be using the word Epstein as

1667
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: a you know, shorthand for corruption, pedophilia, scary stuff, powerful people,

1668
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, hanging out and being blackmailed potentially. Of course,

1669
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, we'll never know all of it. And I'm

1670
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 2: telling you it's a rabbit hole you can go down.

1671
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 2: I made the mistake a couple of days ago of

1672
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: looking at the at the current Trancher documents, of which

1673
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 2: there are hundreds of thousands are They are now searchable

1674
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 2: in a database on the DJ website Justice dot gov.

1675
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: You can click right on it. You can put in keywords.

1676
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 2: I put in Trump Clinton, Hillary Clinton and get all

1677
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 2: that they and they pull up the p documents, most

1678
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 2: of which have been redacted, particularly any that involved underage people.

1679
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 2: You know, the faces are obscured, but it's it's amazing

1680
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 2: what's on there, and it's amazing that there's more. I mean,

1681
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 2: this guy apparently was prolific in his use of email

1682
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 2: and text messages and other things. He was just he

1683
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 2: was a constant communicator and kind of a mover and shaker. Yeah,

1684
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 2: and you know, we just in every new Tranta document

1685
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 2: shows another level of famous people that he had down

1686
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 2: on the island. The last time it came out, there

1687
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 2: was a lot of entertainers, you know, people like you know,

1688
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 2: bizarrely Diane Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, which is an eye raiser,

1689
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 2: I guess for a number of reasons. And in a

1690
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 2: whole bunch of new stuff with Bill Clinton, which again

1691
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,560
Speaker 2: does it depict him directly doing anything improper, but it

1692
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 2: certainly undercuts his public statements that he and Epstein weren't

1693
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: that close. I mean, they look pretty chummy in these photos.

1694
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 2: In fact, there's one in a hot where he's sitting

1695
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,040
Speaker 2: in a hot tub with the Scullen Maxwell, who's he

1696
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 2: was also serving prison time for basically acting as Epstein's

1697
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 2: pimp for underage traffic to women. So not a good

1698
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 2: look for a former president to be sitting there with

1699
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:10,719
Speaker 2: a woman.

1700
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 7: Who was engaged in that kind of activity, and they.

1701
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 2: All look pretty friendly, And it just begs the question

1702
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: of who had what on whom and how did he

1703
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 2: You know, here's a guy Epstein who worked briefly at

1704
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 2: bear Stearns in the early eighties, never had a college degree,

1705
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 2: was never actually a broker, never had a broker's license,

1706
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: but he amassed a billion dollar fortune, had private island

1707
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 2: in the US Virgin Island, a massive estate in New York,

1708
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 2: and had people and was managing money for people like

1709
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: Les Wexner on the Columbus, who's you know, owns these

1710
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: you know, l brands with half the stores in any

1711
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 2: mall are owned by Les Wexner. How he insinuated himself

1712
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:52,560
Speaker 2: into this scenarios when he really didn't have the credentials

1713
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 2: begs the question of what he had on these people.

1714
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 2: And that's what I think Epstein will always mean. And

1715
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 2: I think actually the more documents that are least makes

1716
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 2: it harder, you know, to determine it. I mean, like

1717
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 2: I said, even now, if someone came forward, I some

1718
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 2: like ninety year old guy came forward and said, hey,

1719
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,919
Speaker 2: I was the guy that engineered the conspiracy to kill JFK.

1720
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 2: No one will believe it now, you know, there's all

1721
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,639
Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories. So I don't know that we'll ever

1722
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 2: know exactly what happened. And he's dead. Maxwell is in

1723
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: prison and really not talking, and even if she did talk,

1724
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 2: I think everyone would think that that's all self serving. Sure,

1725
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 2: the Clintons are lawyered up and fighting their subpoenas. Donald

1726
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: Trump is in these all over, but his Justice Department

1727
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 2: is releasing them slowly but surely. So I just don't

1728
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 2: know that anyone's.

1729
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 7: Ever going to be satisfied with what happened, no matter

1730
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 7: how many doctorments they find.

1731
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: Politico has been covering it, and they say today the

1732
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 1: DOJ claims the Epstein Maxwell file exceeds one point seven million.

1733
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: Now I get it. I mean, he was a high

1734
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: powered dude. He hung with high powered people, and you're

1735
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: familiar with complex civil and criminal litigation. One point seven

1736
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: million documents, though, Steve, I just don't understand how it

1737
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 1: could get to be that much.

1738
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you start playing with them on

1739
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 2: that on the searchable website, which I get, I don't

1740
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 2: recommend people do it. I mean, I went down the revenue.

1741
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 2: It's amazing work there. I mean, this guy, he's one

1742
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 2: of these guys that probably I mean, I'm just guessing

1743
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: because I know the level of email traffic at our

1744
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 2: law firm. It's not uncommon for me to get one

1745
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two hundred emails a day, a lot

1746
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 2: of them being sales emails and garbage. But you know,

1747
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: for me to get like one hundred or one hundred

1748
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 2: and twenty legitimate emails, and I'm just a lawyer in

1749
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 2: Ohio is not uncommon. So I mean, this is a

1750
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 2: guy that really worked. There's a lot of emails, and

1751
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 2: he also took tons and tons of pictures. Most of

1752
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 2: them it looks like office phone, but you know, there

1753
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 2: are you know, he was constantly recording everything he did,

1754
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, his plane rides or his

1755
01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 2: guests or so forth. So I mean, of what I've seen,

1756
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 2: the bulk of it are emails and photographs. There's also

1757
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 2: a lot of financial statements. I mean, obviously he was

1758
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 2: managing money for people and for himself, so there's a

1759
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: lot of financial stuff that have account numbers and so

1760
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,200
Speaker 2: forth obviously redacted. There's heavy, heavy, heavy redactions in a

1761
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 2: lot of these. But you know, it's just you know,

1762
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 2: if you think about the way a lot of us

1763
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 2: live now, I mean, most of this activity, you know

1764
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 2: that's there's from the late nineties into the early to

1765
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 2: mid two thousands, so you know, there's cell phones, there's texting,

1766
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 2: there's emails, there's photographs that way, so we all generate

1767
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 2: more documents than we think. I mean, I'm involved in

1768
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 2: a simple contract dispute locally, and I just learned right

1769
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 2: before Christmas that there were twenty five thousand emails in

1770
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 2: the exchange between the people over at eighteen month period.

1771
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 2: So you know, you just and that's not even that

1772
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 2: complicated a case. So it's just the way we live

1773
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 2: now and have for the last twenty five years. So

1774
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 2: I'm not too surprised by that. It's just a lot

1775
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 2: of them are kind of just tantalizing little they have

1776
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 2: little nuggets that make you wonder. Yeah, but there's so

1777
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: far no big smoking gun. Okay.

1778
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: Well, and the thing about it is, speaking politically, if

1779
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 1: there are anything that bad on Trump, don't you think

1780
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: it would have been put out a long long time ago.

1781
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's what I think, And I'll tell

1782
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:32,560
Speaker 2: you you know, the look, the fact that he associated

1783
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:34,560
Speaker 2: with Epstein and was down on that, you know, was

1784
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 2: apparently on the plane several times, and is clearly I mean,

1785
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 2: they were clearly friends. And I think the quote from

1786
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 2: Susie Wiles is chief of staff and who I don't

1787
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: know how you know, it was not maybe the best quote,

1788
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 2: but I think an honest one and said, look, her

1789
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 2: quote was quote, they were young playboys together, you know,

1790
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 2: the guys in their late thirties, early forties running around

1791
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 2: in New York, single guys both with money and you know,

1792
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 2: really liking, you know, to the high life and clearly,

1793
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 2: you know, looking looking for companionship one way or the other.

1794
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,240
Speaker 2: And that's you know, it's gonna it's gonna be something

1795
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 2: that a lot of folks are going to regard as

1796
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:11,560
Speaker 2: a black mark on the president. But the idea that

1797
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 2: he was either being blackmailed or knew anything, I mean,

1798
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,640
Speaker 2: surely you know if someone had that kind of a

1799
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 2: skeleton in their closet, uh that and remember it would

1800
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 2: be weird that they would seek public office at all,

1801
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 2: McCall that, you know, Epstein was long in prison, but

1802
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 2: the time that Trump ran for ran for office, so

1803
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 2: you know, he had to know that. You know, there

1804
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 2: were multiple grand jury investigations into Epstein, including in New York,

1805
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 2: multi year grand jury investigations, the documents which are gradually

1806
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 2: being unsealed and released. So if he had had some

1807
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 2: grand great concern about that, you know, I can't imagine

1808
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 2: that he would have jumped into public office. And the

1809
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,759
Speaker 2: other thing is, even if some sort of document emerges

1810
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 2: now his hard course of orders aren't going to buy it.

1811
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:56,440
Speaker 2: I mean, particularly after what happened with the Russia situation,

1812
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 2: which really was a hoax, you know, particularly with you know,

1813
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 2: with you know, some of the Ukrainian impeachment, which we

1814
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 2: now know really you know, wasn't some an impeachable offense. Right,

1815
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 2: So there have been so many things thrown at him

1816
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 2: at this point that I think he's almost kind of

1817
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 2: immune to whatever is in there. But it's clear he knew.

1818
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 7: Him, It's clear they socialized, and it's clear you know

1819
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 7: that at one point they.

1820
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 2: Were pretty tight. He says he broke it off with

1821
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 2: him about in two thousand and five, or six, you know,

1822
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: prior to everything happening, and there's really been nothing so

1823
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 2: far to contradict that.

1824
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,360
Speaker 1: All right, Steve, we're at time. I really appreciate you

1825
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: talking to us about this, and I think we'll stay

1826
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 1: tuned on both Elwood and our good friend Epstein, and

1827
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 1: you know you'll keep us posting on it. I appreciate it.

1828
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 2: Hey, anytime, take care of my thinky. Thank you.

1829
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: You know, my goodness, one point seven million documents and

1830
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: Steve's explanation for that is completely legit and accurate. It's

1831
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: just I wish they just do one big damn thing

1832
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 1: to just get it over with. Anyway, we will take

1833
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: a break, and when we get back, your calls seven

1834
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: four nine, seven thousand and one, eight hundred, the big

1835
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 1: one are the numbers if you want to be involved.

1836
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred, WL eleven thirty

1837
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 1: eight News Radio seven hundred WW Mike Allen almost at

1838
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: Saturday midday in for Slowey Saturday midday. We'll go forth

1839
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: tomorrow from nine to noon and I'll be in for

1840
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: Sloaney all next week. You know, we only have a

1841
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 1: few more days left in the year twenty twenty five

1842
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 1: and what happens is a lot of these outlets do

1843
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 1: the top stories and those kind of things. Some of

1844
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,560
Speaker 1: them are actually interesting. Channel five did one that I

1845
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: think is pretty accurate and pretty interesting. Just go through

1846
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: a few of these and we'll get back to the

1847
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: phones here. Top story they have winter storms blast region,

1848
01:43:54,560 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 1: multiple winter storms in Cincinnati. Second is a severe story

1849
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: leave damage, but I don't know that it's that weather

1850
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 1: related now. The third one is a big, big story

1851
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: that's not even close to being finished. Police leadership, shake

1852
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: up the city. People are still scratching their head about

1853
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 1: what they think Chief Thiji did wrong. I know I

1854
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: am big story. And this one too, This is a

1855
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 1: biggie Rose becomes Hall of Fame eligible. The only thing

1856
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 1: Pete had to do to do that is die. And

1857
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: I love baseball, but Major League Baseball is so hypocritical

1858
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 1: on the whole gambling thing. It seems to me and

1859
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: many other people that they're just pretty much obsessed with

1860
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: it now. Of course, because it makes money. You know,

1861
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: if they're gonna let Pete go in or let him

1862
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 1: become Hall of Fame eligible more accurately, they had to

1863
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,080
Speaker 1: look at some others too. The one obviously that comes

1864
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 1: to mind is shoeless Joe Jackson. But we'll see what

1865
01:44:59,320 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 1: happens on that. That's just a few of them. I'll

1866
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: probably do some of these tomorrow too. Hey, let's get

1867
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: to the phones here. Let's talk to Danny in Mason. Hey, Danny,

1868
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: how you doing?

1869
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 2: That's fine, sir, How are you?

1870
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm good? I'm good. What you got for me?

1871
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 9: The question I've been thinking about of wanting to ask you,

1872
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 9: when do the constitutional rights start when we're born? I

1873
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 9: would think so, yes, Okay, So for people coming into

1874
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 9: our country legally and illegally, yep, do they get to

1875
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 9: constitutional rights as soon as they step across our border?

1876
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:35,680
Speaker 2: No?

1877
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 1: Not, of course illegal. No, and if they're going to

1878
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: do it right, but they haven't done it yet. No,

1879
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 1: they're not technically citizens. But you know, you got green cards,

1880
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:50,560
Speaker 1: and Biden administration had so many ways to get in.

1881
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: That's what's frustrating to me, and I think a lot

1882
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 1: of other people too. You know, you have people like

1883
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,840
Speaker 1: you and I we're American citizens. Then you got the

1884
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 1: people that trespass in to our country. They are not.

1885
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: Many times, it appears to me that people in power,

1886
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: the Democrats, so to speak, they're more concerned with the

1887
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 1: people that trespass into their country than they are American citizens.

1888
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:15,680
Speaker 1: That's just my take on it.

1889
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, and see, I keep thinking about that that. You know,

1890
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 9: so the ones I can't remember the one, you know,

1891
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 9: the one that was transporting your legals and they sent

1892
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:27,679
Speaker 9: out of the country and then the congressman went.

1893
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 7: Down, he had a drink with him.

1894
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:29,560
Speaker 4: And all that.

1895
01:46:29,880 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I mean he's getting more rights, in

1896
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 9: my opinion, than you and I would get, you know, absolutely,

1897
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 9: And I just wondered about that. And you know, I

1898
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 9: guess some of us citizens to just start raising three

1899
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 9: kinds of heck yeah and saying, hey, you know, yes,

1900
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 9: you know, if you raise heck, then the government's going

1901
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 9: to start eyeballing you in my opinion, but you.

1902
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 1: Know, well they're not supposed to. But I'll tell you

1903
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 1: you hit the crux of the problem. Why in the

1904
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: hell are we bending over backwards for someone who trespassed

1905
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:06,600
Speaker 1: into our country. Let's just say your house, somebody uninvited

1906
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 1: just walks in. You know, you're going to give that

1907
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,600
Speaker 1: person more rights than you are the legal resident of

1908
01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: that place. It's topsy turvy, Danny, It really is, and

1909
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 1: thank god Trump's turning it around.

1910
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1911
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:24,400
Speaker 9: And then one other thing too real quickly, the drugs

1912
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 9: runners that were shooting up, shooting out of the water.

1913
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,000
Speaker 9: I think we are to capture one of the boats

1914
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 9: back of drugs are and advertising, say hey he's there,

1915
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 9: and see how they.

1916
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:36,560
Speaker 4: Respond to that.

1917
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:38,880
Speaker 9: It's all common sense.

1918
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 7: Yes, and my dad had a fifth grade education and I.

1919
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 9: Guarantee he had more common US than the half of

1920
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 9: them in Washington.

1921
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:54,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, what's an interesting proposition. I appreciate your input. Yeah,

1922
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 1: that is the crux of it. And this is what

1923
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: honks me off so much with the Democrats. What about us?

1924
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean, aren't we important? We're citizens, they're not. And

1925
01:48:07,560 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: of course we are the most generous planet on the

1926
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: face of the earth. But at some point you got

1927
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 1: to say, no, no, no, let's put Americans first, and

1928
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 1: I think President Trump is doing that. Man. You look

1929
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:25,560
Speaker 1: over in Europe especially, and I'm kind of an Anglophile,

1930
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:28,679
Speaker 1: so this depresses me. What the hell's going on over

1931
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 1: there in Great Britain. I mean, they're taking their rights

1932
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: away right and left and so in Germany and other

1933
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: countries too. So much of it is because of unchecked immigration.

1934
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 1: They're paying the price for it now. But you know,

1935
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: we are too so to speak, but at least Trump

1936
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 1: is trying. I'll tell you what, let's take a short

1937
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Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and we'll close the show out.

1938
01:48:54,680 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 1: Mike Allen seven hundred WLW