1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Jesus your when does Justin Jefferson ask for his unconditional release. 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: Leader fan Fan Radio Network? 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 3: You know what? 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: And k f a N. That's k fa N dot com. 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Two minutes thirty seconds past the hour, three o'clock Central 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: Standard Time, Welcome back, Monday edition, Bumper to Bumper program 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: on a calm after the snow nami Monday afternoon here 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities that we effectually refer to as 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero. I 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: am the host of the program. And lookye here, look 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: who is back. It's our guy Guardsy back once again. 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: Did you chuge me recognize the place at this point? 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 4: Well, you never forget the iHeart Radio red, the color 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 4: that's just plastered all over our walls. So it's like 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 4: coming home again when you see that iHeart read you 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: know where you are? So yes, key card work that 17 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 4: was good, had a parking spot that was fine, and 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 4: doesn't time like I missed a lot when it comes 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 4: to Vikings football except debacles and disasters. 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: A lot of. 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: Debacles, a lot of disasters, and a lot of difficulties. 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: We're going to try to cover almost all of it 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: while at the same time, I'm trying to get myself 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: logged in with this new so we have a new 25 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: text line. Now you don't even want it's the same 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: text line. But the security apparently has been an issue. Interesting, 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: and so i'm each time now you have to type 28 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: in a verification code sent to your email. That's a 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: little tricky. Which is tricky verify. It actually worked this time. 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: Yesterday did not even work. But the good news is 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: it looks like it's up and going, and people are 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: not surprisingly already chiming in via six four six eighty six, 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: the bratch on Bryant k FA and text line. It 34 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: has already begun. I think this is the first day 35 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: I noticed nationally the itch being scratched, and that was 36 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: the Vikings left with no choice but to trade away 37 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. 38 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: Happened fast. It was it. 39 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: And once it's it's one of those deals nationally, because 40 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: they all steal from one another once the genie is 41 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: out of the bottle, especially if the Vikings keep losing, 42 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: and if the Vikings keep getting shut out, and Justin 43 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Jefferson keeps having games in which he catches two passes 44 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: was it two passes for four yards. It was one 45 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: of our Vikings talking points, it is two catches for 46 00:02:54,240 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: four yards that it will be an out of control, 47 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: impossible to stop viral movement the old because especially when 48 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: a really good player is in flyover country, there's this 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: arrogance that, well, he's being wasted there. We've got to 50 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: get him to a much better place, and presumably that's 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: often a much bigger city where he'll have a chance 52 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: to thrive and the whole country will get a chance 53 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: to enjoy him in a way that they're not going 54 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: to enjoy him because the Vikings are not going to 55 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: have any games flexed the fan has learned. The rest 56 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: of the two thousand and twenty five season, it was. 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: It was as bad as I'll back up and say this. 58 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: I think I have a fairly vivid imagination, and I 59 00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: certainly am capable of projecting negativity, but not in my 60 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: wildest dreams. 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: Now. 62 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: I'll also grant I didn't necessarily expect that he would 63 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: throw for four hundred and fifty six yards like mooch'llah 64 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: what Mooch said, kind of tongue in cheek, and I 65 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: had said via Twitter that you took the over or 66 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: we'll probably take the over on that. I'm not saying 67 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: I expected that, but I will flat out and tell 68 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: you I did not expect it to be as deplorable 69 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: offensively as it was virtually from start to finish. We're 70 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: in territory now that what we have talked about this, 71 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want to just be just mediocre. 72 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: You want to be really, really, really hideous. As for example, 73 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: the Twins have from time to time been able to 74 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: to sort of go that particular route. 75 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: We know it's not good baseball. 76 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: The stat that the analytics people all love and that 77 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: even the inkstained wretches and the media jackals quote is 78 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: something called DVOA. Do you know what DVA stands for? 79 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: Because I don't. I just know it's fancy. 80 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 81 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 4: I'm sure Alec Lewis and Ben Goessling have told us before. 82 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: I'm sure Seffert has as well. I don't remember. 83 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: Here's another way to I think confirm what I believe. 84 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: See part of me says, well, if you've watched the games, 85 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: you don't need any analytic confirmation of how historically hideous 86 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: this offense has been. And now two of their quarterbacks 87 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: have been including your guy yesterday. 88 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, mister Brosmer. 89 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: Defense adjusted value over average, Thank you, a measure's team 90 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: and player efficiency on a play by play basis. 91 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: Thank you. 92 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: So. 93 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: Now, according to the experts, this season alone the Viking, 94 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: and this, by the way, goes back as far as 95 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: nineteen hundred and seventy eight, So that's twenty two plus 96 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: twenty five, almost fifty years. 97 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: This season and alone. 98 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: By Dvoa, your favorite football team, has had two of 99 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: their nine worst offensive performances by that particular steat. You 100 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: want to guess If you don't know this, you haven't 101 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: cheated and heard it already. You want to guess. So, 102 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: by the way, for the record, one of those was yesterday. 103 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: And Seattle makes sense. I well, it was the other 104 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: that this year. 105 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: Two of our worst nine in the last fifty years 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: have both taken place analytically this season. 107 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: You want to, you want to? You care to guess 108 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: what the other one was this season? 109 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 4: Was it the Chargers Thursday night game? No, which would 110 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: be a good guess. Was it not? It's the Pittsburgh game? No, 111 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 4: it was not. Was it the Falcons game? Falcons game? 112 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: There we go. 113 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: Second game of the year, right, second game of the 114 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 4: year with New Father JJ McCarthy. 115 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: So what week is this thirteen? Yes, so this is 116 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: the DVOA on this game. Yesterday's game was the worst 117 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: in the last fifty years for the Minnesota Vikings. Offensively right, 118 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: many of us are frustrated with no certainly are the 119 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: second worst DVOA in the last fifty years in Vikings history. 120 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: And this is the. 121 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Old timers will appreciate this as another confirmation of just 122 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: how bad this is. Number two on the list in 123 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: the last fifty years, the last stecl year Game one, 124 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: nineteen and eighty four, the infamous Less Stuckel here, and 125 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: here's what's scary again. 126 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: I don't under I don't I'm not good at math. 127 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: I've proven that neither of you correct. But the DVOA. 128 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: For this game was it's listed as minus ninety six 129 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: point eight. That's actually twenty eight points worse than what's 130 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: number two for the. 131 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: Vikings the last fifty years. 132 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: That's Steckel game Week one of the season against the 133 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: San Diego Chargers, and by the way, on that occasion 134 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: they scored thirteen points. But if the DA matters, the 135 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: idea that this was thirty percentage points worse than that, 136 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: one kind of tells you all you need to know, 137 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: does it not? So we're in. Yeah, we're in. I 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: have to add this though, there's a lot of today 139 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: so far to me, has been it's a post mortem day, obviously, 140 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: but it's also a day where KOC is getting some 141 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: credit for after today, especially during today's presser, full transparency 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: and full pelfdom that he has awarded himself a full 143 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: pelf in taking accountability, especially regarding the the hideous fourth 144 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: and one call, which will be one of our talking points. 145 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: That that appears a couple times. It does appear a 146 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: couple times today. You're exactly right, but I'm here to 147 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: tell you that it means nothing to me. 148 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: Let me make this as clear as I can. 149 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't believe Kevin O'Connell has learned anything. 150 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 2: I just don't. 151 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: We've been here to varying degrees too many times before. 152 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: Again, I don't think. 153 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: It's his fault that he's had to work with as 154 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: many unprepared to play at the professional level quarterbacks the 155 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: last few years, whether it's because of injury. 156 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: What year did we have pastor not? Did that two 157 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: years ago? 158 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: That was a couple of years ago when Cousins got 159 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: hurt or in this case, you know young quarterbacks who 160 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: just aren't ready for the bit, whatever it is. I'm 161 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: not going to blame him for that, but I am 162 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: going to blame him for, quite frankly, never being able 163 00:09:53,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: to accept the limitations that those quarterbacks represent, and that 164 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: should from the beginning change everything about the way he 165 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: does his business. Here's the quote, Kevin severert is going 166 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: to join us tomorrow. Had that to me, says it all. 167 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: The biggest thing is what you're seeing coverage wise. It 168 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: needs to take a back seat to what is the 169 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: best thing for our offense in that moment. If I'm 170 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: in full transparency of that, things that I may see 171 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: chances to maybe get an in cut screaming or high 172 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: crosses running or vertical chances that have kind of always 173 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: gave us the lift in games. That sounds really transparent, 174 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna look in the mirror where you go, Hey, 175 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: But shouldn't he have figured that out a long time ago? 176 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: To varying degrees depending on who the quarterback was. That's 177 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: why I still don't believe him. I don't think he 178 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: can help himself. He needs to go to passing rehab 179 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: where all coaches who simply want to look pretty need 180 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: to go at some point to be I think, broken down, 181 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: to be built back up. One of the guys who 182 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: could teach him happens to be the head coach for 183 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears right now, Ben Johnson. 184 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: But I digress. 185 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: Because it's being hailed as finally gets it, he finally 186 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,239 Speaker 1: gets it. Right, you're gonna tell me, in all seriousness 187 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: that you get so aroused and so lost in that 188 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: coverage screams for that play. I don't care what the 189 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: circumstances of my team are. I don't care who the 190 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: quarterback is. I'm going to roll his ass out. And 191 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: I think you and I'll both agree you're a brose morobo. 192 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: I am too, not as on your level, but I 193 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't say rolling him out as a pro is necessarily 194 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: gonna be bread and butter if Max Brozemer ever becomes 195 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: a legitimate starting NFL quarterback. So you're gonna tell me 196 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: that because I cut that's what I have to do. 197 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter what the condition, the delegate condition 198 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: of your team, the circumstances in the game, by the 199 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: way in which your defense is playing very well, the 200 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: fact that you do have two legitimate running backs, youn 201 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: if they have been running great in this particular game, 202 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: and a quarterback who's. 203 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: Just playing his first game ever. That matters at this level. 204 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 2: But it was streaming. It was streaming at me. This 205 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: has has to be the play. 206 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: If he didn't already know that before the game began, 207 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: he's not gonna figure it out now. 208 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: It's too late, isn't it. 209 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 4: It is, And it's amazing to watch him do it 210 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 4: again with another guy and Brozemer. As you know, I 211 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 4: love Brozemer, so I can see why he would lose 212 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: himself in Brozemer's eyes during the week. 213 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: Yes, they well that was enough here. 214 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: Do you see the other disc the the what's the 215 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: opposite of doing somebody a favor? 216 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: Is it doing service or just favor? 217 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: Yep? 218 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: Did you hear it in the broadcast because they said 219 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: it a couple of times word on the street. What 220 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: we're hearing from the Vikings coaches the ball with Brozemur 221 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: never touched the ground and practice all week. 222 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: Stop saying crap like that. It does nothing. It means now, 223 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: because we heard a lot of the same stuff about 224 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: j J. We heard about every NFL hear exactly right. 225 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: The NFL, you're not helping your quarterbacks cause building him up, 226 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: fluffing him up to that level. 227 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 2: It's just it just doesn't work. But go ahead, do 228 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: you want to pause? 229 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? 230 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably should have a guest at three thirty. 231 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: His name is not Adam Feeling. 232 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: Not yet. 233 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna get you more on that in a minute. 234 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: We'll give you the rest of the guest lineup. We've 235 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: got Vikings talking points to get to and when we return, 236 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: it's inevitable. We might as well get it out of 237 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: the way now the curse continues. 238 00:13:52,800 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 5: That's next. 239 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: Well, I think most of you know that Adam Thielen 240 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: has been released by the Minnesota Vikings. He apparently asked 241 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: for his release a week ago. He's been granted that, 242 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: and he has let He has of course issued a 243 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: statement via his x account with. 244 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: What you would expect. 245 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: Disappointed the way it finished second time around, right, sure, 246 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: thanking everybody for the opportunity, et cetera. And the idea 247 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,239 Speaker 1: here is he's going to try to latch on someplace 248 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: where he might have a chance to play. 249 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: I have no idea. 250 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Carolina is obviously one of the better bounce 251 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: back stories this year. I have no idea if they 252 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: might be looking for another wide receiver that has some 253 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: experience it's there and some traction there. I'm not sure, 254 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: but obviously he ordinarily would be with us at three thirty, 255 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: as he's been all year now. Guards he did reach 256 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: out to him to text him to offer up obviously 257 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: anytime he wants to come on with us as as 258 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,239 Speaker 1: an exit interview. So far, I don't think he's responded, 259 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: but if he does and we get him later or 260 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: a different day, we will of course to do it. 261 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: We've enjoyed having him on. We appreciate the effort that 262 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: he has made. It is sadly undeniable that there seems 263 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: to be a bit of a bumper to bumper curse 264 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: related to Viking's regular guests excuse me, over the years 265 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: on this program and a number of people. The good 266 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: thing is we never have to worry about being the 267 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: ones to say it. The listeners they catch up on 268 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: this their way ahead of us immediately, almost immediately, and 269 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: there dump it on it. Yeah, they were naming people 270 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: I'd forgotten we had on. 271 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: And so the lists go. 272 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have it sequentially but Jordan Hicks 273 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: is one, right, Yeah, yep, our guy cam Beezy Yeah, 274 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: cam buying him is another. Adam Feeling is another. The 275 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: latest Patrick Peterson. We're still waiting for that exit which 276 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: he promised us, but it hasn't had. 277 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: Now he's on. 278 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: He's on serious ExM a lot he should be. He 279 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: was tremendous, very good and well. 280 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: We made him. We made him. No one ever thought 281 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: of him as a good talker. Who was on the 282 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: show You're fourteen in the NFL they finally realized. 283 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: Who else is on the list who have basically either 284 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: been fired or not re signed. I guess for including coaches, 285 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: it has to be Mike Zimmer, Yeah, Leslie Fraser and 286 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: uh who was the assistant coach we had on for 287 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: and great it's a tremendous guess is that seven? 288 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: It is? 289 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: Can you take credit for twice? That was before my time? 290 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: Now he had a pretty good run. He did have 291 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 4: a pretty Zimmer by the way. Yeah, in fairness, we 292 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 4: have to factor that in. All had coaches fired, So 293 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 4: I don't know if we can be held responsible for 294 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 4: the curse, but the head coach after the head coach stuff, 295 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: because we did we used to have all of them. 296 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: He had Tice, then we had Zimmer. 297 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 298 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 4: I don't know if we did Childress. I don't think 299 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 4: you did. Child No, we did not have a yeah 300 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: with Childress at all. But at any point, well, the 301 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 4: only time was when we were trying to get far 302 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 4: and he came out to Maynards in the first summer 303 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 4: that we had and he came out, had a couple 304 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 4: of beers, just living his best life, trying to get 305 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 4: Brett Fahr. 306 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: We didn't get him that year. He came the next year. 307 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 4: But so after the head coaches, everybody that you just mentioned, 308 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 4: it has not been good. 309 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: I forgot about Hicksys was great, very good. Yeah, they 310 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: were all outstanding. So I mentioned to the program director, 311 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: Chad Abbott that if Justin Jefferson raises his hand to 312 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: be a regular the rest of this year, that should 313 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: be alarm bellish to the vikings Ords an organization. It 314 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: might well meet, well else goes maybe I can go next. 315 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't exactly know. So my guess is we're not 316 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: going to have a regular the rest of the way. 317 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: There's only five games left anyway, true, Yeah, and everybody, 318 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, the the snarky gallows humor. It's it's on 319 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: via the end of the text line, can you get 320 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: koc as your next game? 321 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: Oh? Turning on him? 322 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: That was he last year coach of the year. I 323 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 4: think he was where do we where does case Keenum 324 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 4: factor in? Because he became all a de facto regular 325 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: guest that season and he started doing it out of 326 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 4: habiting good luck. Yes, he kept wanting to do it 327 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 4: and we said are you sure, and they said, he 328 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: thinks it's he's got a routine. 329 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: He's one of these guys. He likes doing it. Well, 330 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: can we really. 331 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: Be held responsible for the fact that they chose not 332 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: to bring him back because he was ready to come back? 333 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: He wasn't and Denver got him paid. He still he's 334 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 4: playing for your bears now, isn't he. 335 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Well, he's the hidden factor everybody used to think and 336 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: making it seem it's Ben Johnson. Maybe it's the case 337 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: Keenum factor on. 338 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: The he's got I mean, just you know. 339 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: He's got that extra thing going now as a starter. 340 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: It didn't work, obviously, we're when you left here, but 341 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: it's it's worked every place, just ty train. 342 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: Are we forgetting about him? 343 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 4: We had him and then Dalvin Cook kind of flip 344 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 4: plots he had cooked for a year or two. 345 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean, in a sense, isn't this just about we've 346 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: been on the year a long time. I mean, players 347 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: do come and go. I'm not sure we can be 348 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: held responsible for all of those comings and going at 349 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: this rate though, Like they're here for like a year 350 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: and then they're gone. Tay Train was here for a 351 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: little while, Dalvin Cook obviously was here for a while, 352 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: but it seems like it's accelerated the last handful of years. 353 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 2: Six one two six one two. Guy rights. The only 354 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: one who stayed is Mike Conley and his roles reduced. 355 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: That's true. 356 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: Although he had a he had a massive three to 357 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: save their asses. Great, they were gonna employ they were 358 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: gonna blow another game. 359 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: I know. Then he hit a three. It changed everything 360 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: in the corner. 361 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 4: I think we're gonna have him this week week because 362 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 4: it's a Conley week. Have you seen the video of that? Though? 363 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 4: You have to ask him about this because it is funny. Somebody, 364 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 4: I think Michael Grady put it on Instagram. He hits 365 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 4: the three and then, as somebody commented, does like thirteen 366 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: consecutive different handshakes with every guy on the team. 367 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: Seriously, he's got a different. 368 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: Handshake with each guy, with every. 369 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: It would be funny to know how long that actually 370 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: took to develop. And he just it's like he knows 371 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 4: all of them like the back of his hand. No 372 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 4: pun intendant. It's hilarious to watch. But yeah, we hopefully 373 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 4: will have him, and hopefully he's got another few years. 374 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Like other people are hoping, we can alternate the rest 375 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 1: of this season between JJ McCarthy and koc. It's just 376 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: I was really hoping viciousness. 377 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 4: If Brozemer had played a little better, or you know, 378 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 4: a lot better, and all of a sudden got the job, 379 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 4: we probably could have had Brozemer on weekly. To the point, 380 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 4: I don't think that's gonna happen. I don't think he's 381 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: going to get the ball again. 382 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: For a while now. 383 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: It's the head coach said as much today that JJ 384 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: Simptoj's symptom free and he will be the starting quarterback 385 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: for better. 386 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: I wonder if he kill the injury. 387 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: That's true, maybe you have a third top bottom ten 388 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: A games before this season's done. I rule nothing out 389 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: who we play next, Washington, Washington. I don't know much 390 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: about their defense to be honest with you, but we'll 391 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: find out. Uh So, Adam Thielen is welcome anytime, but 392 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: he's not going to join us next. 393 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: We don't think Johnny Athletic is scheduled. Next. 394 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: Ben Lieber will join at his usual time four forty seven, 395 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: and we have a plethora of vikings talking points, and 396 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: of course it will be a major part of today's conversation. 397 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: So stay with us. I'll be back in just a 398 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: couple of minutes. 399 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 6: Right here in the family, it's time Tony, Tony, donnyhead. 400 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 5: I didn't talking about right now. 401 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: It is indeed that time again. Well you say hi 402 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: to Johnny real quick, will you? 403 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 3: Well? 404 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: Can you actually pot him up? 405 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: Because I forgot the phones a little bit too far 406 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: away from my location and now we're starting. I want 407 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: to look something up here as we say hi to 408 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: John Athletic here early. I should have been better prepared 409 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: for this segment, but you know these things, that's how 410 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: they happen. Sometimes the best way to look at it, 411 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: all right, I'm going to the Athletic website. Are you 412 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: familiar with the Athletic website? Cards I read it to 413 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: this morning. I love that website. 414 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: You enjoy it. I have multiple subscriptions still do, don't you. 415 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm scrolling down. It might be hard to find see 416 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: if I can find the well here it is. 417 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 418 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: So you know, one of the things I think everybody 419 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities looks forward to is the back 420 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: and forth conversation that takes place every Friday between Alec 421 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: Lewis and Joy Athletic where they kind of, you know, 422 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: they kind of chew the fat on the Vikings next matchup. 423 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: What a pair. 424 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: I'd love to see a video of that's They're very, 425 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: very abed and Costello like, and damn it, I can't 426 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: even rip them. 427 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 3: I went. 428 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: I just scrolled down to the prediction segment part and 429 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to. I think that Johnny had the Vikings 430 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: making the game close, but he's smarter than I am, 431 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: because I did think the Vikings would beat the spread. 432 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: I continue to have the worst season I've ever had. 433 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: In our prediction segment, Johnny had the Seahawks winning by 434 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: thirteen uh and Alex Lewis had the Seahawks winning thirty 435 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: one to thirteen. You had a twenty seven to fourteen, 436 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: But Johnny, I don't know if I can even give 437 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: you credit. 438 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: For it, because even as you make the prediction, look 439 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: at the way. 440 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: You say it barring an unexpectedly sharp performance from Brozemer 441 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: against the top flight defense. So you're hedge in your bed, 442 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, I mean so, yeah, well at that date, 443 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: were you then if it was a close game, say well, 444 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: I did mention if Brosmer's top notch, then it'll be 445 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: a close game. 446 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: No, I mean, the score is the score. I think 447 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 3: that does the talking for me. And what I was 448 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 3: trying to say there was that I don't foresee Brosmer coming, 449 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: you know, to the rescue with some sort of unexpectedly 450 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 3: sharp performance. But I just I was trying to think 451 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: of scenarios that could produce a compelling game, you know, 452 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: a closer than expected game, and there just wasn't any 453 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: other than Rosemer pulling the rabbit out of the hate. 454 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: I just didn't see that happening. So that's why I 455 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 3: settled on the score that I did. I feel pretty 456 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 3: good about the prediction I should have gotten. I probably 457 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 3: should have gotten farther. Alex Alex Lewis went a little 458 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: further than I did, but yeah, it was it was 459 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: just really hard for me to see anything play out that, 460 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: you know, I didn't expect to be that embarrassing, but 461 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: I was expecting a pretty thorough whipping by the Seahawks 462 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: to your favorite ball. 463 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: I guess the mystery would be how either one of 464 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: you thought that the Vikings would score in double dishes 465 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: in the basis of what we saw. 466 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier that. 467 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: I am not quite as religious on Max Brosmer as 468 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: the producer of this program, but I do. 469 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: I have liked him all along, and I said Sunday 470 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: I had. 471 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I have a pretty vivid imagination when it comes to negativity, 472 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: as you know, but I can't say I saw that coming. 473 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 2: I honestly didn't. 474 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: I thought I didn't think it was going to be great, 475 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: but I thought, you know, it's not going to be 476 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: as bad as it was the week before, maybe even 477 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: even the last several weeks with JJ McCarthy. I honestly thought, 478 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: even under those conditions that you know, he'll probably be, 479 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: if not borderline serviceable, a little less than that. So 480 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: I can't say I saw it coming to that degree, 481 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: because again, it can't really whether it's eye test or 482 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: all the analytic numbers, it really can't be much worse 483 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: than it was for the Vikings offense and their starting 484 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: quarterback on Sunday. 485 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you do want to rip me, 486 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 3: which I know that you like to do, I mean 487 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: I was on your program last week, and I believe 488 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,239 Speaker 3: my quote was don't I don't see how it can 489 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 3: be worse than it has been with JJ McCarthy, because 490 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 3: McCarthy was historically bad through this, through his six starts 491 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: in this in his first season here, and literally, you know, 492 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 3: eight hundred and some quarterbacks ahead of him on all 493 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 3: these different analytic charts and things like that. So that's 494 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: why I did kind of give the Vikings fourteen points. 495 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: Was I did think that Max Rosmer was going to 496 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: come in at least be not ridiculously bad, and he 497 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: was ridiculously bad. And I mean that is kind of 498 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 3: where you know, all all of the calls for koc 499 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: you know earlier at different parts saying you'd get Broemer 500 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: in McCarthy can't do it, well, maybe Max Rozemer couldn't 501 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 3: do it either, And I mean there was just nothing 502 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 3: there at all from Rozemer, nothing from the offensive line, 503 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 3: Addison's dropping passes, all of those things. But but Max 504 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: Rosmer was worse than Ajan McCarthy, and I just didn't 505 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: think that was possible. No, it was. 506 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: Uh. 507 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 3: And you know, the. 508 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: Play call, the fourth and one call has been dissected 509 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: a lot and will be one of our vikings talking 510 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: points today. But if your whole calling, whole calling card 511 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: as an option is may not have great physical tools, 512 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, may not have you know, on the if 513 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: I at the combine, I'm not going to wow anybody 514 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: with any of the test scores, but I am is 515 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: really smart and really calm and really composed. Well, that's 516 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: clearly not the case because at least in that moment, 517 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: because if he is all of that, or was all 518 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: of that, you take the sack, right, you absolutely take 519 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: the sack. 520 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: You don't do kind of and this is a dated. 521 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: Reference that only the old people will know, a garrow 522 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: your premium sort of approach where you're kind of trying 523 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: to hold onto the ball and then flip it and 524 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: move it around or whatever the case. 525 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: Maybe that ended up in the pick six. 526 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: That to me was as much an indictment of him 527 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: regarding what we all thought were his strengths as the 528 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: play call itself, which was indefensible. 529 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just a mind numbing brain fart of 530 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: a play from Max Brosmer. And it just like, as 531 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 3: I was watching the whole game unfold and that play 532 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: in particular as well, I was thinking back and just 533 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: very quickly, I don't know, maybe seven eight years ago, 534 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: the Timberwolves played the Memphis Grizzlies in the preseason and 535 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: Karl Anthony Towns absolutely worked Mark Gasol up and down 536 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 3: the court, just destroyed him. And I'm like, hey, man, 537 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: Marcus Fols cooked like this is over for him. And 538 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: I think he won Defensive Player of the Year that year. 539 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 3: And that's to say, like the preseason or NFL, NBA, 540 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: whatever is such a different world from the regular season. 541 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: It's almost not even worth comparing it. I mean, you 542 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: know what the defense that Max Rosmer saw was nowhere 543 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 3: was on another planet from what he was seeing in 544 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: the preseason. When you said, hey, this guy's throwing with anticipation, 545 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: he looks calm in the pocket, things are going on. Well, 546 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 3: when you get into the regular season, it's a whole 547 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: different animal, man. And I think that I think that 548 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: mister Brosmer discovered that in Seattle on Sunday. 549 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: There's no question about that. 550 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: This came in from Todd JJ's overthrow airmail Brosmer's overblown 551 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: fairy tale Kao ces Turkey, Jive Cocktail. 552 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: Wolves and five. 553 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: Give Cocktails. 554 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: That's about as an apt a description, uh, to some 555 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: of the things he had to say again today. 556 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: And I think my guess is you fell for it. 557 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: You guys swoon over his alleged transparency and accountability and 558 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: and and kind of going pelf on the bit like 559 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: it's my bad on the on the fourth and one. 560 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: He hasn't learned the idea that now he's learned something 561 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: that he didn't know already. I just don't believe, because 562 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: we've been here to varying degrees before a bunch of times, Johnny, 563 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: and I just don't think he's got it in him. 564 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: I think he's always going to be that guy who 565 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: wants to airmail the ball. He's proven it over and 566 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: over again. Forget these quarterbacks. He did it when Pastronaut 567 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: was his quarterback. He tried to call a game like 568 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: he had Peyton Manning in his prime. 569 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: And it just I don't. I think it's a blind 570 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: spot that he's never gonna get over. I don't. 571 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any reason I don't trust him 572 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: on this anymore now than I ever have, because I 573 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: feel like, again to varying degrees, he's allegedly had these 574 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: PELF moments and said, now I get it. Now, I 575 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: got to worry less about what the tape shows about, well, 576 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: this should be open on this play, and I have 577 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: to worry more about was my team or my quarterback 578 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: capable of making those kinds of plays under theseircumstances. Yeah. 579 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: I think that it's just in his nature, in his 580 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: DNA as a coach, as a play caller, as everything. 581 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: He wants to flex on the opponent. He wants to 582 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: show how creative he is. He wants to show how 583 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: much he's been scouting the defense and these elaborate plays 584 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: and these exotic trick plays and doing the thing that 585 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 3: you don't think he's going to do on third and one, 586 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: fourth and one, those types of things. That's very much 587 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 3: part of the Kevin O'Connell ethos, and it has bitten 588 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 3: him over and over again, especially when he is seemingly 589 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 3: not really recognizing that all of this imagination that he 590 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 3: has is the players that he has in place are 591 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: incapable of executing that, and to me, that is job 592 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 3: number one of a head coach is to understand your personnel, 593 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 3: their limitations, their strengths, all of the above, and then 594 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 3: coach to that. You cannot be dogmatic toward a system 595 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: if your system is too complicated for the very very 596 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 3: very young quarterbacks you are putting out there. And and today, 597 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: you know kind of what he said, like he had 598 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: no other choice, Dan, if he got up there and 599 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: said nope, this is the right thing to do, like 600 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: it would have it just really would have gone poorly 601 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 3: coming off such an embarrassing performance. But the actions have 602 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: to now back up those times because he's got to 603 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: understand that he is working with a remedial offense right now, 604 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 3: not a college placement ap offense, and he's got to 605 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: he's got to tailor his approach and his game plan 606 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: for that. 607 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: You know, you know the way how this the system 608 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: works in not just a national football league, but in 609 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: any sport. If the team is enjoying a successful stretch, 610 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: or he has a good record or is having a 611 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: great season, it's much easier to sort of minimize our 612 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: gloss over or put off for a moment or two 613 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: some of the nagging concerns long term that still exists, 614 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: right because you're going, well, look at the record. I 615 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: mean they're finding a way to arise above whatever those 616 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: concerns are that you or I might have. On the 617 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: other hand, when it goes the way it has for 618 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: the Vikings this year, what are we sitting at now 619 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: four and eight, all of those same nagging concerns become 620 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: dominant in the conversation. Example, it's item number one from 621 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: Mark Craigs. 622 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 2: What does he call it? His top five? 623 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: His five extra points? Regarding the Vikings general manager, he 624 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: lays out that sustained success isn't possible when your GM 625 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: gets lapped by his peers annually in the drest. Throwing 626 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars of other team's aging free agents 627 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: can't replace building course, starters and quality depth among players 628 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: entering their prime at three to five years or generally, 629 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: as he writes, ages twenty three to twenty six. Vikings 630 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: have four players four on their roster who were drafted 631 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: three to five years ago, one from the last year 632 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: under Rick Spielman and three from the first two years 633 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: under Quazy. Two irregular starters darrisaw and Jared and Jordan Addison. 634 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: As for the rest of the NFC North, the Packers 635 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: have eighteen players and twelve starters who they drafted from 636 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to twenty three. The Lions have thirteen 637 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: players and eleven starters, and the Bears have six players 638 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: and five starters. Obviously not sustainable. And if you're the Wilfs, 639 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: you're going hold on a second. You told me we're 640 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: going to payper over all this stuff if we kept 641 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: opening our wallets to let you make these big free 642 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: agency signings and ain't getting papered. 643 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 2: Over as well or at all. And the tickets now 644 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: coming new. 645 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: Because each year that goes by without us getting this 646 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: homegrown talent the way the other teams do is another year. 647 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: Ultimately it's going to catch up with us and the 648 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,959 Speaker 1: chickens are going to come home to roost. 649 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a double edged sword right now 650 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 3: for Coisia Doolpamenta. And when you look at the job 651 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 3: and valuate the job that he's done, because number one, 652 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: you're right, like if you are going to miss on 653 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 3: draft picks, you don't want to miss on draft picks. 654 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: But if you are going to you better hit in 655 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 3: free agency now they hit two years ago with cash 656 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 3: Man with those guys and made those signings of like, okay, 657 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,359 Speaker 3: this is good and that buys you a little time. 658 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 3: They have not hit this year and you and when 659 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 3: you don't hit in free agency, it's almost a double 660 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 3: miss because of all the money you're out laying and 661 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 3: you're getting guys come in who are underperforming, like most 662 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 3: of the free agent signings that they that they made 663 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 3: this year with Kelly getting hurt and Fryes just being okay, 664 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 3: and Jonathan Allen hargraves like you know what, what do 665 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 3: you do with them? And so you have that problem. 666 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 3: The second problem, and I think the much bigger thing 667 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 3: to discuss here is that right now, as it stands, 668 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 3: with where the Vikings are at, with you know, a 669 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 3: relatively starless defense, with an offense that doesn't have a 670 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: quarterback and with many questions on the offensive line and 671 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: all over the place, it is ripe for a rebuild, 672 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: right for kind of trying to get younger, tear it down, 673 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: start over. Maybe in a year or two you get 674 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 3: back into it, especially with where the Lions and the 675 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 3: Packers and the Bears are all at in this division. 676 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 3: But do you trust quasi adelpha mensa to do that 677 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 3: rebuild because he's missed so many times in the draft, 678 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: and that is where a rebuild has to start and 679 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 3: has to sustain. So there are some very very difficult 680 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 3: questions that are going to be asked here down the 681 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 3: stretch about not only what the Vikings do for the 682 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 3: next six weeks, but what they do for the next 683 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 3: two years, and what is their plan to dig out 684 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 3: of this massive hole that they seem to be in 685 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 3: in this division. 686 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: RBC Wealth Management brings us or brings I should say, 687 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: Johnny Athletic to our listeners each and every week. We 688 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: appreciate their fine loyalty. This goes back to yesterday morning. 689 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: I'd not heard whether any of the local Jackals had 690 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: responded to this or had an opinion or a thought 691 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: on it, but apparently one of the tweeters had tweeted 692 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: at me in the morning that Teddy Bruski familiar with 693 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: him an NFL countdown, I am yeah, he suggesting that 694 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: he suggested Kevin O'Connell has done with JJ, that public 695 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: dissection of fundamentals with JJ insinuates the kid can't do it, 696 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: and that KAOC wanted to keep Sam Darnald. Now the 697 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: last part is what intrigued me the most because I 698 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: and again it's all after the fact. At this point, 699 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: I know there was disagreement in the building on what 700 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: to do there, how far to go to try to 701 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: satisfy Darnald with Obviously you know you got your your 702 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: your quarterback in waiting, but it's very difficult for me 703 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,919 Speaker 1: to believe that in this organization right now, KOC doesn't 704 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: get what KOC wants. So you tell me, though, had 705 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: you heard anything like what Bruski had said, making it 706 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: sound like that that if it was up to Koc, 707 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: they would have found some way, somehow to keep Donald, 708 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: even if it meant slowing the clock or even you know, 709 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: not being able to start the clock on JJ McCarthy. 710 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 3: I So, I personally have not heard that directly or 711 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 3: that overtly, But what I can say is that throughout 712 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 3: the off season, in both with Sam Darnold and then 713 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 3: also especially with Aaron Rodgers and the purported dalliance or 714 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 3: at least consideration that the Vikings were giving to Aaron Rodgers, 715 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 3: all of that indicated and the Athletic reported this at 716 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 3: the time, and was you know, Viking fans did not 717 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 3: want to hear it. But there was real interest and 718 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 3: real discussion about Aaron Rodgers because there was some concern, 719 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 3: in part because there's some concern that maybe JJ McCarthy 720 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 3: wasn't quite ready yet, missed the year really young, didn't 721 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: have a lot of starts under his spell at Michigan, Like, 722 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 3: there was a lot of questioning about whether McCarthy was 723 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 3: truly ready for this, and Vikings fans didn't want to 724 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 3: hear that. Some Viking fanboys on Twitter didn't want to 725 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 3: hear that. But that's that's the reality of the situation 726 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 3: inside that building. And so the question or the thing 727 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 3: that's going to be difficult now as this thing really 728 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 3: crumbles is there's probably going to be some revisionist history 729 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 3: as this thing really falls apart, if it does continue 730 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 3: to fall apart, if McCarthy does really continue to struggle, 731 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 3: and there will be people that maybe change their tune 732 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,560 Speaker 3: a little bit of like, yeah, I always wanted Darnold right, 733 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 3: or you know, we should have done this and absolutely right, 734 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 3: and this guy made the wrong decision, and fingers will 735 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 3: be starting to point and it will be messy behind 736 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 3: the scenes, assuming that the embarrassments keep coming and that 737 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 3: you know, maybe the hammer starts to fall on some people. 738 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 3: So I would just be a little reluctant to take 739 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 3: anything at really face value right now given this. But 740 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 3: we did report this last summer before all this really 741 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 3: did start to fall apart, that there were at least 742 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 3: some question marks about it, and and those were those 743 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 3: were in the building and divisions in the building as well. 744 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: One wolves question today and next time we'll probably go 745 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: a little bit more in depth because there's going to 746 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: be only so much to I think assessed regarding the 747 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: vikings moving forward the rest of what is now pretty 748 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: much a lame duck kind of a season. You wrote 749 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: a lengthy piece just within the last week or two 750 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: basically saying, boys and girls, Anthony Edwards is the point 751 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 1: guard of this team. So the question on the table 752 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: for me is do you believe they've gone that route 753 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: because they want to in their heart of hearts, or 754 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: do you believe among the available options right now, they 755 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,879 Speaker 1: view it as the best one. 756 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's more of necessity, Dann, because I 757 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 3: don't think that in Chris Pinch's perfect world. I think 758 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 3: that and is a little more off the ball there 759 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 3: isn't so much on his shoulders from a quarterbacking, scoring 760 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 3: decision making, you know, keep your turnovers down all that aspect, 761 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 3: especially with what you're asking for him on defense. But 762 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 3: with Rob Dillingham not really developing as quickly as as 763 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 3: some people hoped, with Mike Conley showing his age in 764 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 3: some respects, they have gone to this heliocentric offense because 765 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 3: it gives them their best chance. Now, there's also some 766 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 3: variants that they invite with that because Ant is still 767 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 3: learning this part of it. It is a new role. 768 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 3: There are going to be games where he does it really, 769 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 3: really effectively and they play really well, and then they're 770 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 3: going to be games where he struggles. Just yesterday, he 771 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 3: had six turnovers in the first like in the first 772 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 3: half and it wasn't going well. And then Finchy turns 773 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 3: to a lineup without Rudy and without Ants to start 774 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter and they're moving the ball and it's wonderful. 775 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 3: So there are growing pains with this right now, but 776 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 3: I think there will stick with it because there's not 777 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 3: a great long term option in house right now for them. 778 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 5: Otherwise, Yeah, it was, it was. 779 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: It probably was their best victory of the season, and frankly, 780 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: the way they played defense first half, I didn't see 781 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:02,319 Speaker 1: it coming. 782 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 2: You know, it was to me. 783 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean the point totals that I feel like san 784 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: Antonio Davey was approaching fifty points, like with nine minutes 785 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: to go, sixty points like nine minutes to go in 786 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: the second quarter, something that ridiculous. And then the rest 787 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: of the game was a completely different story. So when 788 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: we have more time, we'll break more things down and 789 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: see if there's any hot, juicy rumors on potential point 790 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: guards that we might be eyeing. I know that kind 791 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: of speculation you live for and you love, especially when 792 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: it's Internet generated, but that's never stopped us before. 793 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 3: I can't wait for that. Dan will be a good 794 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 3: conversation as Christmas approaches. 795 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, Dan, we'll talk soon. That is Johnny Athletic, 796 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: if you put him on hold. Guardy, thank you very much. 797 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: We do have some outstanding vikings talking points that Guardsy 798 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: has put together with a little bit of a suggestion 799 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: or two for me, and we have Ben Lieber coming 800 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: up before forty seven. We have an open inventation to 801 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: Adam Feelin, who's been our three to thirty guest. This 802 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,760 Speaker 1: entire season. Adam of course asked to be a release. 803 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 1: The Vikings granted him that wish. That was announced earlier today, 804 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: and we've got calls in Adam, and if at some 805 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: point he's willing or interested in coming on, we'll be 806 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 1: glad to have him on, at least for exit interview 807 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: purposes as well. We'll finish this hour with Clayton from 808 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: Rochester KOC. The Purple Pelf does guards he have an 809 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: athletic sweatshirt on his shelf. Will Jets tell the Purple 810 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 1: to go bleep yourself? Vikings in five our Vikings win five. Way, 811 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: as Clayton put it, how many wins we have right now? 812 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 2: Four five? 813 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: What might be the most we can hope for? Perhaps 814 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: six now though we're going to get into that bit 815 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: of we don't want to win games because we want 816 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: to have a draft choice exactly right. Things have changed