1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Michael. What I hate is that these Monday morning quarterbacks, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: as far as the Minneapolis situation is, people don't put 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: themselves in the position of having a loved one in 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: law enforcement and they have to make split decisions. That's it. 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: And if you had just followed the orders lawfully given, 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: she would still be alive. 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, which is why. And I alluded to this yesterday, 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: or maybe I was doing you on next I did 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: I conflate it all so I don't know. 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 3: I don't recall. 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: You get stopped by a cop, you don't like his 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: attitude or her attitude, or you think that they're acting 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: unconstitutionally or unlawfully. That roadside stop or on a sidewalk 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: or wherever the stop happens to occur is not where 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: you litigate the legitimacy or the constitutionality or the legality 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: of what the officer is doing. You do that later. 17 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: You do that in a courtroom. You either do that 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: if you're charged with the criminal violation. You do it 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: in your criminal case. And if you believe that your 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 2: constitutional rights have been violated, and maybe you even suffered 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: a personal injury from it, you then sue under Title 22 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 2: forty two, Section nineteen eighty three of the Federal Code 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: for a violation of civil rights. And if they're acting 24 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: outside their lawful duties by violating your constitutional rights, you 25 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: can probably pierce the veil of qualified immunity and you 26 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: can hold them and their employer accountable. If you decide 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: that no, I don't like what I'm gonna I'm just 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: going to fight it here. That truly is the very 29 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: definition of FAFO. And if you don't know what that means, 30 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: go look it up. And you then, just like the 31 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: doctor Mack said, you end up or could end up 32 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: DRT dead right there. 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: And I know that's tough. 34 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: You take a personality like mine, which is pretty anti authoritarian, 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: who really is like being told what to do, who 36 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: really is an individualist. That's a tough pill for me 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 2: to swallow. But both my practical life and my legal 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: training tell me intellectually that is precisely what I have 39 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: to do. 40 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 3: Now. 41 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: If you're getting the snot beat out of you and 42 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: you're trying to defend yourself, that is also assuming you 43 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: don't get killed, that's going to be determined later in 44 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: a court of law. Just like my guess is you 45 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 2: want to get anybody want to make bet that the 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: family has the family and the life have already spoken 47 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: to you know, some lawyers, and there will be a 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: wrongful death lawsuit brought against the federal government and against 49 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: those ice individuals themselves. They have every right to do that, 50 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: but they gotta be careful what they ask for, because, 51 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: as I always explained to my clients, do you really 52 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: do you really want to sue Dragon? Because Dragon's lawyer 53 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: is going to put you in a conference room and 54 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: he's going to schedule a deposition and he can ask 55 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: you anything he wants. Oh, I can object. I object, 56 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: that's irrelevant. Yeah, and it may be irrelevant. That's not 57 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: for Dragon's lawyer, my lawyer to decide during that deposition 58 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: that will be decided in the courtroom by a judge. 59 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: You still have to answer the question. So you're going 60 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: to have to either commit perjury if you don't want 61 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: Dragon dragging to know that you know you've been, you know, 62 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: sneaking around missus Redbeard. 63 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: You don't want that out. 64 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: But you're gonna have to answer the question or face 65 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: the consequences of perjury or have it brought out in. 66 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: An open courtroom because. 67 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: It may be irrelevant, and you might get it suppressed 68 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: in the trial, but nonetheless it will get out. There's 69 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: a friend of mine on X you can again at 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: Michael Brown, USA who describes a situation where he and 71 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: his partner were coming back from some ten hour drive. 72 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: They were like ten minutes from home. It was really 73 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: foggy out. They really couldn't see aheadache that they could 74 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: see some flashing lights, and as they got closer they realized, oh, 75 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: it's flashing lights of you know, like a fire truck 76 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: and a cop car, highway patrol car or whatever. And 77 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: there's been an accident, and there's nobody at all ahead 78 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: of that accident for oncoming traffic to direct the traffic 79 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: or to stop the traffic, or to do anything else. 80 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 2: So they do what they think is proper. They slow 81 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: down to a crawl. They pull over onto where they 82 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: can there's a lane open, and their shoulders open, and 83 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: they pull over and very slowly try to creep by 84 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: the accident in a really heavy fog y night. 85 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: Cop stops them. Cop says, what the hell are you doing? 86 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: And my friend says that he responded, I'm slowly trying 87 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: to get around the accident. 88 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 3: Well, you can't do that. 89 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: Okay, what you know, he thought to himself, should I 90 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 2: ask what do you want me to do? And instead 91 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: he just said no, I think I'll just okay, then 92 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: I'll just sit here. So they stopped, and then the 93 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: cop came back, Why are you just sitting here? I 94 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: told him to, you know, move along. And of course, 95 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: as he says, I wanted to say, well, why didn't 96 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: you have somebody because it's a foggy night, Why didn't 97 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: you have somebody on both sides of the accident directing traffic? 98 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: But he chose not to do that because he didn't 99 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: want an altercation. 100 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: With the cops. 101 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: Completely rational decision on his part. I think I would react. 102 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: I hope I would have reacted exactly the same way, 103 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: to shut up. Okay, well you don't made a moose. 104 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: I'll sit here, and then you come back and you 105 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: tell me to move okay, Well that confects what you 106 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: told me to do earlier, and you're not doing You're 107 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: not handling this situation properly because you don't have people 108 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: out there to direct the traffic on both ends. So 109 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: in fact, you're creating a dangerous situation because it's a 110 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: heavy foggy night. I don't want to argue with the cops. 111 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: I'll do okay, do you want me stop, I'll just 112 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: stop and then come back and tell you to keep going. 113 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: I don't know why people feel like they need to 114 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: argue with the cops, even even when you know. I 115 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 2: one time got stopped. It's been quite a while ago, 116 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: and at the time, I was representing the highway patrol 117 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: and I was doing I don't know, five miles over it. 118 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: It was like, you know, way outside of a town, 119 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: and it was obviously a speed trap. And I got 120 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: stopped for doing something like five six miles over the 121 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: speed limit. And the young officer comes to the window, 122 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: and you know, typical interchange about you know, drivers and 123 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: license registration and all of that, and and he asks, 124 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: which I usually don't answer. He asked, do you know 125 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: why I stopped you? I typically don't answer that question. 126 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: I usually throw it back. Now, would you tell me why? 127 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 2: But I said, I think because this is a speed 128 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 2: trap and you're you're trying to meet a quota. 129 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. I was just tired. 130 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: I just I said something I shouldn't have said. But 131 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: he looked at me as if he was trying to 132 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: decide whether to continue the art argument or was he 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: trying to analyze whether I just you know, blowing off 134 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: steam or what. And he goes, well, I'm just going 135 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: to give you a warning, and I said, well, I 136 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: appreciate that. And then we actually because then he asked 137 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: me where I was going, and you know, blame he 138 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: actually turned into a conversation. But that could have been 139 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: a difficult situation, and that was would have been my fault. 140 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: I should have just accepted, you know, okay, yeah, here's 141 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: my stuff. You know, whether you're gonna give me a 142 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: ticular warning. You know, I have no influence over Just 143 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 2: do it. Don't argue with the cops. 144 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: Now over on X one of my followers. 145 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: Has asked a series of questions, and I think these 146 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: are questions that are probably in the minds of many people, 147 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: maybe not many of you. 148 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: But probably out there writ large. 149 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: So when this is a topic of conversation, which it 150 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: will be, and I'm gonna explain why later, this will 151 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: be a topic of conversation for quite a while because 152 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: I think this has enormous, enormous political uh complications and 153 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: ramifications for both sides of this political spectrum, this binary 154 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: system that we live in right now. 155 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: And I'll get to that in a minute. 156 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: But I think as you go about your day or 157 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: you're week or whatever you're gonna fay, you're gonna face 158 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: these same questions. So let me walk through them. The 159 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: first question he asked was why was she there in 160 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: position like that? Well, the evidence from city officials, the 161 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: media analysis, uh the protest context. She was present on 162 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: a block where protesters and legal observers were confronting and 163 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: monitoring ICE's activities, and her Honda pilot was stopped in 164 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: such a way that it blocked the roadway ahead of 165 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: an ICE vehicle trying to move along a public road, 166 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: enforcing the law, and engaged in engaged in lawful conduct. 167 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: That's even confirmed by either her friend or spouse. I'm 168 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: not sure which it is. By the way, that videos up, 169 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: isn't it Dragon? Did you put that videos up at at? 170 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: Michael says go here dot com, where she says yes, 171 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: her purpose was to block the roadway. The next question 172 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: was or is was she part of what was going 173 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: on or making a U turn? Well, my response to 174 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: that is all credible reporting places her within the protest 175 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: observation environment, with the car already stationary, already obstructing the 176 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: lane as Ice rolled up. Not one single outlet that 177 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: I can find describes this as an accidental U turn 178 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: at the precise moment of the agents arrived. New York Times, 179 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: none of the Minneapolis newspapers, not the Fox affiliate, in 180 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: mini app nobody, nobody describes it that way. We all 181 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: know what she was doing. There was another there's another 182 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: white suv that was also blocking the road. 183 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: What about it, he asks. 184 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: Well, all the videos, all the still shots show a 185 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: white SUV that is further ahead, but he was also 186 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: obstructing the street. So that's consistent with a coordinated or 187 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: de facto blockade that's created by multiple vehicles. Amid that 188 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: protest scene, even a BBC admits that this was all 189 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: part of an organized protest. And yes, as many of 190 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: you have asked on the text line, I'd like to 191 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: know who is paying them to Does she give up 192 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: her life for a few dollars from George Soros? 193 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: Probably? So. 194 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: Then the next question I think we've already answered, but 195 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: again I want to make sure it's on the record. 196 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: Did Ice identify themselves or just rush the car? And 197 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: yanked the door. Reports indicate that the agents arrived in 198 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: a truck and I've watched it with flashing lights, they 199 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: had tactical gear, and there were visible law enforcement markings. 200 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: They shouted commands for her to exit the vehicle. One 201 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: agent even attempt to open the door, and another then 202 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: positioned himself in front of the vehicle, all in attempt 203 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: to stop her from doing anything. He asks, did she 204 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: pany because she didn't know who they were? Well, I 205 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: guess you could argue that theoretically. Theoretically, but she's got 206 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: to be some sort of stupid to not no one 207 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: why she was there, what she was doing, not to 208 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 2: see the flashing red lights, not to see the law 209 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: enforcement insignia, not to see the tactical gear, and not 210 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: to see that she's been ordered out of the vehicle. 211 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 4: Or don't forget that she was there to disrupt ICE. 212 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 4: So anybody driving by could you know, potentially be ice. 213 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 214 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, Dragon that one of the very first 215 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: things that went through my head is I watched I 216 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: watched probably a total of eight different videos, most of 217 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: which are on my ex account now, but the very 218 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: first one as the as their pickup or truck approached 219 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: the very thing, the very first thing I looked for 220 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: was any sort of indication that was law enforcement. And 221 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: I immediately saw the flashing blue and red lights in 222 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 2: the grill and as he got out, Oh, clearly it's 223 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: law enforcement, no question whatsoever. He wants to know whether 224 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 2: she was an active anti ICE participant, Well, the Feds 225 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: describer as a violent rioter. That might be a little only, uh, 226 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 2: that might be a little charged statement. But she did 227 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: indeed weaponize her vehicle. The local officials describer is just 228 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: as a legal observer. Okay, you're a legal observer. A 229 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: legal observer does not give you the right to violate 230 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 2: the law. So whether she was a legal observer or not, 231 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: I find totally irrelevant. Objectively, the video supports that she 232 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: was physically participating in obstructing ICE's movement with her vehicle. 233 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 2: Whether she saw herself as an activist, an observer, a 234 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: legal observer, a protector, I don't care. It doesn't matter. 235 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: She was violating the law. 236 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 4: And since when does a legal observer obstruct? When do 237 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 4: you get in the way, go perpendicular in a roadway? 238 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: Is that an observer? 239 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 2: Well? 240 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 4: Or is that somebody who's getting in the way. 241 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: Well, maybe they consider themselves a legal observer, but once 242 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: they have entered the roadway and blocked the roadway, whether 243 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: they're a legal observer or whatever, they have now violated 244 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: the law and they're impeding the lawful activities of ice. 245 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: Be a legal observer from the sidelines, then you won't 246 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 4: get tackled on the play. 247 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: Exactly. 248 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: You don't see the film crew for. 249 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: The NFL on the field. 250 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: Just saying well, you know what, as a guy that 251 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: doesn't really care that much about professional football, that is 252 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: an absolutely great. 253 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: Corollary. That's pretty good, pretty dang good. You're welcome. Now, 254 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: you're obviously done for the day, so it's all down. 255 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: He'll go home. That's right, time to go home. 256 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: If you view, if you view view this through the 257 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: premise that blocking a roadway to interfere with a lawful 258 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: ICE operation constitution an obstruction of federal officer, which I 259 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: do believe it does Title eighteen, Section one eleven, and 260 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: that a car that's used in a way that threatens 261 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: officers is a deadly weapon, which we in all other places, 262 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: in all other jurisdictions. It is solid law, it is 263 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: solid legal American jurisprudence that a vehicle can be and 264 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: is often used as a weapon. So all of all 265 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: of the available facts align with my legal theory of 266 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: a legitimate law enforcement shooting goods decision to remain blocking 267 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: the roadway followed by her vehicle's movement toward an officer 268 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: on foot, whether intentional or not, just making any difference, 269 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: it created a situation in which the object of the 270 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: threat feels and could reasonably perceive, an imminent deadly forced 271 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: threat and lawfully responded with deadly force under federal law 272 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: agency policy, and. 273 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: Even as political and moral. 274 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: Judgments about shootings are generally understood in this country, which 275 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: fascinates me that many refuse to see it this way. 276 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: And I can you know, you can choose to believe 277 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: this or not. I don't really care. I was last night, 278 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: as I'm digging through all of this, so that goober 279 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: that I forget what your number is, that admitted that, yeah, 280 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: you've voted for Obama and you've gone to the dark side. 281 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: I was really trying to because I was hoping. I 282 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: was hoping that I could come in here today and 283 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: just eviscerate the government's narrative that this was a lawful 284 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 2: shooting just because I'm that kind of you know, what's 285 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: the word for it. I'm just that passive aggressive. I 286 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: guess that I would like to take the opposite view 287 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: just to irritate people. 288 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: But no, there's no way. There is simply no way. 289 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: Now, what's happened since then, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fray, Minnesota 290 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: Governor Tam Walls, they've responded to the Ice shooting with 291 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: some really outrageous rhetoric towards federal authorities, and they've done 292 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: it in a way that both echoes and potentially reinforces 293 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: the protest energy that produced this problem in the first place. 294 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 2: In other words, we might be getting close to insightment. 295 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: Hey Michael, how's it going, dragon? 296 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 5: Brother? 297 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 3: How you doing good? To hear you? 298 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 5: If you're gonna make a premeditated effort to go out 299 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 5: and block police and generally get in their face to 300 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 5: in air quotes, legally protests something that you disagree with, 301 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 5: don't you think you got to put maybe some thought 302 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 5: into how you're going to handle an interaction with the 303 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 5: police and what you're gonna do when they give you 304 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 5: a legal command. 305 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 4: Well, a rational person would here's a little bit more too. 306 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 4: If she thought she was going to drive away, they 307 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 4: have trucks too, They'll just follow you. 308 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 3: Then we're gonna do a whole police chase. 309 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 4: You gonna be on the nine o'clock news and everybody watching. 310 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 3: I mean, what's the process here. 311 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 2: There is none, there's no thinking through. It's all an 312 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: emotional response. And it is which I want to get 313 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: into eventually. 314 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: It is that. 315 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 2: In many ways, these useful idiots and the people who 316 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 2: support them and finance them, are engaged in a form 317 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: of the Cloward pivot strategy intended to wreak havoc and 318 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: chaos throughout the country to further their entrenched power base. 319 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: It's it's reaching a boiling point where rather than have 320 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: your debates in the halls of Congress or state legislature 321 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 2: or even a city council, you have those debates in 322 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: the street. 323 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: Now, I don't choose to do that. 324 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: They choose to do that, and they do so because 325 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: they understand that if you you know, people who over 326 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: the years have made fun of my use of the 327 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: term cabal would hopefully begin to be to start seeing 328 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 2: that the cabal is real, it's alive, and and it's 329 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: it's it's it's actually a thing the dominant media. They're 330 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: they're nothing more than stenographers for the Democrat Party. And 331 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: the Democrat Party has succumbed to its Marxist left wing 332 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: radicals and the old farts that sensibly had the party 333 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 2: the former formerly Nancy Pelosi, but those of her ilk 334 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 2: like Chuck Schumer, are so hell bent on maintaining their 335 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 2: power and their offices that they're they're just bending. They're 336 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: bending solely to that left wing Marxist aspect to their party, 337 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: without regard to the good of the country, that regard 338 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: to what's right or wrong, what is a good economic 339 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 2: policy or a bad economic policy. It is designed to 340 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: divide the country into this binary concept of us versus them. 341 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 2: And they would argue that I'm feeding into that by 342 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: simply pointing out and again I don't care. 343 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: I wonder if he's still listening. 344 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: That I live in the real world, and I you know, 345 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 2: I I'm not trying. 346 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: To brag here. 347 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out that there was a part of 348 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: me that when Trump got elected and ceiling the border 349 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: had its effect, I thought that was wonderful. And then 350 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 2: we swerved into well, now we're going to start deporting people. 351 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: I just knew in my gut that that would be 352 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: a flashpoint for these radicals because as I you know, 353 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: the example I gave yesterday is, you know, if if 354 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 2: Grandma dies of an une natural death, we want the 355 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: medical examiner to do an autopsy because we want to 356 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 2: know what really happened to Grandma. That you don't want 357 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: to see the autopsy because you don't want to see Grandma's. 358 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: Scold being, you know, solid in half. 359 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: You don't want to see the chest and the clamps 360 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: pulling the rib cage apart so they can get down. 361 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: You don't want to see Grandma's guts. We don't want 362 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: to deal with the reality. We just want to deal 363 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: with things superficially. Well, if that's how you want to 364 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: deal with things, I think you probably came to the 365 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: wrong program. 366 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 3: It came to the wrong place. 367 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 2: And I am the way I am because of the 368 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: things that as the under Secretary of Home Land Security, 369 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 2: that I experienced and that I saw. I know, you know, 370 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: I was joking with our program director the other day 371 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 2: because you know, I was on vacation for two weeks 372 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: and I come back and suddenly everybody wants everything Okay, Well, 373 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: you knew I was on vacation, and you know that 374 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: I've I'm on air from nine to noon, and then 375 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: I had to go see the surgeon, you know, to 376 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: get ready for this surgery this afternoon, and so I 377 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 2: really didn't get home until about three or four o'clock. 378 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: And if people start going the term emergency at me, 379 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: and I'm like, you don't know what the hell in 380 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: the emergency really is, So your problem's not my problem. 381 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 3: You knew I was gone. This is the real. 382 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: World, and when I come in here, I want to 383 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 2: deal with the reality. And if you can't handle it, well, 384 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 2: then you can listen to the problem somewhere else. I 385 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: don't care. I think that you want this. I think 386 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: that we need this. So let's go back to the 387 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: mayor and the governor, their language and their posture. Dragon, 388 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: I were laughing about this. We can't even play it 389 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 2: on air because you know, he told the ice to 390 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: get the f out of Minneapolis. 391 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: And that's my point. That's not what he said, because 392 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 3: he said the word that we can't say, that we 393 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 3: can't say. 394 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: And then there was another part through it too, not 395 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: only get the f out, but there was a second part. 396 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 2: I don't remember what, and I don't remember because I 397 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: just knew how. I can't play that because that's not 398 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: what he said. Oh, it was the term BS that 399 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: ICE's account of what happened was BS. 400 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: No, he didn't. 401 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: That's right, because he actually said the word. In the 402 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: press conference, Waltz, the governor, urged Americans to stand with 403 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: us against this. He called the shooting predictable, avoidable, and did. 404 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: He publicly warned the people of Minneapolis, of Minnesota to 405 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: not believe the propaganda machine. That is so freaking orwellian. 406 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: They are the propaganda machine. Now, I'm not going to 407 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: sit here and lie to you and say that our 408 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: side never engages in propaganda, because of course we do. 409 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 2: What I worry about is not the propaganda itself, is 410 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 2: the inability of American citizens to discern propaganda. That's what 411 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: worries me. So Oh and then somebody mentioned I'm just 412 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: repeating what I've been told. I haven't verified this myself yet, 413 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 2: but they've closed schools in not Minneapolis, They've closed schools 414 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. Now, I don't care whether it's just Minneapolis 415 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 2: or the surrounding suburban areas Minneapolis to Saint Paul or whatever, 416 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: or if it's the entire state, why why would you 417 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: do that? The response to this should we go on life? 418 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: Normally we shouldn't have to spend you know, I shouldn't 419 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 2: have to spend now almost two hours on this subject, 420 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: but I need to because they are putting us in 421 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: an incredibly dangerous place. You've got to view their statements 422 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 2: against the backdrop of the history of Minnesota, especially the 423 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 2: post George Floyd ryots where the critics were arguing the 424 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: state and local leaders. Their slow and ambivalent response to 425 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: those riots signaled a tolerance for unlawful protest tactics, including 426 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: taking over a streets attacking law enforcement. Some people say 427 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: history rhymes. Some people say history repeats itself. In this case, 428 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: history is repeating itself when top officials repeatedly described federal 429 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: operations as being chaos inducing, family ripping murderers, all while 430 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: demanding the ice be expelled. The practical effect is to 431 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: morally validate those who physically go out and physically oppose 432 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 2: ice on the street, and as this woman did by 433 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: placing a car across the roadway and surrounding federal agents. 434 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: So from a law and order perspective, this creates a 435 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: through line. Elected leaders rhetoric casts ICE as illegitimate and dangerous. 436 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: Activists adopt ice out of Minnesota as a rallying cry, 437 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: and some individuals act on that framing by going out 438 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: and blocking roads, confronting agents. Conduct that when directed at officers, 439 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: moves from protests into obstruction into violations of federal law. 440 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: Straight line, no little blips anywhere. That's a straight line. 441 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: Now. 442 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 2: Under the First Amendment, those political leaders have broad latitude 443 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: to criticize federal operations all they want to, and harsh 444 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: speech is certainly protected and does not meet the very 445 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 2: high standard in the Supreme Court case of Brandenburg for 446 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: criminal incitement, which requires intent and likelihood of imminent lawless actions. 447 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 3: However, however, I think. 448 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 2: I can make a case that, based on the historical 449 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 2: context of what took place, it is incitement because they 450 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: know precisely what they're trying to accomplish. 451 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 6: Michael, what Tim Woll said about getting the National Guard ready, 452 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 6: does that sound like illegal incitement, obstruction anything there? I mean, 453 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 6: what do we got on this, Tim Wolves If this 454 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 6: guy keeps opening his big mouth and he's got everybody 455 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 6: getting ready to vend him over to do a DNA 456 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 6: check on so let me know, what do you think? 457 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 3: Well, interestingly, that's the segment. 458 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: So Walt says that he had put the Minnesota National 459 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: Guard an alert in response to the shooting, and that 460 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: signaled his willingness to deploy state military forces into a 461 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: city that has already filled has been surged with. 462 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: Thousands of federal law enforcement. And then at the. 463 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: Same time he called on the Trump administration to cease 464 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: their help. He framed the federal forces as part of 465 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 2: the problem rather than part of public safety. 466 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 3: Then he. 467 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: Bizarrely aligned the Guard's potential use with protecting Minnesota communities 468 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: from perceived excesses of federal immigration enforcement. CNN reports that 469 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: on YouTube on their YouTube channel. Now, I want you 470 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: to think about that again. Let me let me read 471 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: it slowly for the kids in the back of the room. 472 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: At the same time, he called on the Trump administration 473 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: to help, framed federal forces as part of the problem 474 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: rather than part of public safety, and then aligned the 475 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: National Guard's potential use with protecting Minnesota communities from perceived 476 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: excesses of federal immigration enforcement. Can I do you mind 477 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: if I put that a different way? He decided, like 478 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: some Southern States did that, we will put our militia 479 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: up against the Union troops to preserve what they thought 480 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: were their rights. 481 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: And when they did. 482 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: That, that led to a civil war. Can you imagine 483 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: how stupid that line is. 484 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: To take. 485 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: And I don't say this to belittle the National Guard whatsoever. 486 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: I have a great admiration for the National Guard. They 487 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 2: were very helpful during my career. 488 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: But they are part time, not all, but some part time. 489 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: They get taken out of their jobs, you know, working 490 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: at iHeartMedia, and they get you know, they get their training, 491 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: and then they get thrown into these situations sometimes you know, 492 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: in Araco, Afghanistan, places where I don't think we really 493 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: should have used them. And you want to take those 494 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: men and women and you want to throw them up 495 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 2: against the federal government and the you talk about an insurrection, 496 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: you talk about inciting violence. You're going to put armed 497 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: National guardsmen in the streets in Minneapolis where you already 498 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: have thousands of armed federal agents. That's let's how the 499 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: civil war started, not exactly but same concept. That's how 500 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: stupid these people are. Or if you want to really 501 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: dive into it, maybe they know exactly what they're doing, 502 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: you're stop and think about that that perhaps they're trying 503 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: to inch up to that line. They're trying to inch up. 504 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: I don't want a civil war, you know, I've heard, 505 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: I've had many of my listeners, many of you it's 506 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 2: time for a second American Revolution. Well, you barely won 507 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: the first one, and you think we're going to win 508 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: the second one. Now, I'm not saying we couldn't, but 509 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: I don't really want to run that risk right now. 510 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: I'd rather just beat the tar, not literally figuratively. I'd 511 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: rather just beat the tar out of the opposition. I'd 512 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: rather get some huge majorities in both the House and 513 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 2: the Senate, and right frankly in state and local governments too, 514 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: so that we can turn this ship estate around when 515 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: if he does that, Because these federal officers are conducting 516 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: lawful federal operations under federal command, with authority to arrest 517 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: people that obstructor assault them on the public streets. So 518 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: are we going to see them arresting National guardsmen? Or 519 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: are we going to see a shootout at the Okay Corral. 520 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: He's putting local police in a horrible position, the National 521 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 2: Guard in a horrible position. They're caught between cooperating with 522 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: their federal partners, including providing traffic control and seam security 523 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: as the Fans do their operations, and political directees from 524 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: the city Hall that cast Ice as an unwelcome and 525 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: demand that they withdraw. A National Guard deployment ordered by 526 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: the governor would formally answer to the governor, not to 527 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: federal immigration authorities, and could be tasked with air quotes 528 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: here protecting their proteststors or critical infrastructures in ways that 529 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: practically limit ICE's freedom of movement and tactical options, and 530 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: therefore a clash occurs and that can manifest itself in 531 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 2: some horrible ways.