Speaker 1: You don't want to be an American. Scott flown on
Speaker 1: seven hundred. Will do what you need to know this
Speaker 1: morning is important if you're gonna got to have a
Speaker 1: good time this weekend or any time for that matter,
Speaker 1: Encourage you not to drink and drive or smoke and
Speaker 1: drive because it's just it's not worth it. But they're
Speaker 1: changing the OVI laws, at least they want to. It's
Speaker 1: Ohio Senate Bill fifty five, and that would definitely I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this going, Matt. I got a lot of
Speaker 1: issues with it. Namely, it's not the smoking and the
Speaker 1: edibles and the stuff with THHC and now especially with
Speaker 1: the CBD of SAYH slash THHD and fused beverages that
Speaker 1: are extremely popular right now you can get in bars
Speaker 1: at the General Assembly just figured out how to do that.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna get a whole bunch of people who
Speaker 1: may enjoy those beverages that wind up getting stopped and
Speaker 1: arrested and charged well after they consume that beverage, like
Speaker 1: days later on that jeff Meadows from the Law Metals
Speaker 1: Law Firm, making sense of it. Jeffrey, how's life great?
Speaker 1: Everything is fine? I could be driving right now, like,
Speaker 1: I think you're on your way to Batavia. You said,
Speaker 1: so this time a year with the fall, well with
Speaker 1: the leaves, and our looks good, beautiful, absolutely gorgeous, nice
Speaker 1: little drive. So the bill pass the Ohio Senate unanimously.
Speaker 1: It's in the House Judiciary Committee, and that looks like
Speaker 1: it's going to move forward. So the big question a
Speaker 1: while with them, because you're listening this going, well, maybe I,
Speaker 1: you know, like to go out and have a few
Speaker 1: drinks or smoke or whatever it is. Can you explain
Speaker 1: like what the problems they're trying to fix.
Speaker 2: So there's two issues in under Ohio viilaw as it
Speaker 2: relates to marijuana and marijuana by products. When we consume
Speaker 2: a marijuana product, the chemical compound that gets us high
Speaker 2: makes this happy, hungry, sleepy, whatever is delta nine THCHC
Speaker 2: or what's commonly referred to as THHC. THHC then breaks
Speaker 2: down into something called hydroxy THCHC, which is the first
Speaker 2: past metabolite that further breaks down into something called carboxy THHC.
Speaker 2: And under the current law, it's there is a per
Speaker 2: se limit for metabolites and for actual THC. And when
Speaker 2: I say a per se limit. Most people are familiar
Speaker 2: with alcohol, it's point oh eight. If you're a point
Speaker 2: oh eight or higher, you're guilty. It doesn't matter whether
Speaker 2: you're buzzed or hammered or not. Same thing with marijuana.
Speaker 2: Problem with this, especially as it relates to the metabolites,
Speaker 2: is CARBOXYPHC. We currently have a limit of thirty five
Speaker 2: nanograms in urine, and it doesn't matter if there's thirty
Speaker 2: five nanograms of carboxy in your urine or thirty five million.
Speaker 2: It has zero psychoactive properties. What that means is it
Speaker 2: doesn't affect your ability to do anything. It doesn't make god,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make you hungry, doesn't make you tired. It
Speaker 2: doesn't affect your ability to stand, walk, talk, or most
Speaker 2: importantly drive.
Speaker 3: So we've had this loss for.
Speaker 2: A number of years now, and anyone even prior to
Speaker 2: the legalization of recreational marijuana. If you went to Las
Speaker 2: Vegas and you got highs a kite and legally in
Speaker 2: Las Vegas under Las Vegas ball not Petereral law. Course,
Speaker 2: when you fly home and get in your car and
Speaker 2: cross over the river into Ohio, you're guilty because this
Speaker 2: carboxy THC metabolite is stored in your fat cells, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be there's gonna be a different retention
Speaker 2: period forever.
Speaker 1: Got so instead of kind of bringing around with all
Speaker 1: the numbers and that, Jeff Metters, what you're saying is is, basically,
Speaker 1: this would be like, we know that the alcohol is
Speaker 1: a component with beer or wine or whiskey that gets
Speaker 1: you drunk. Alcohol obviously evaporates quickly, you metabolize it fairly
Speaker 1: quickly compared to this and once it's gone to sit
Speaker 1: side of your system, but there could be some components
Speaker 1: in that wine or beer whiskey that remain in your
Speaker 1: body because it's a nutrient for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: and it's going to hang around so your body digest
Speaker 1: I'd be like testing for those components of it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It'd be like the apple flavor in I don't know,
Speaker 1: Crown Royal, for example, hangs around longer than the alcohol does.
Speaker 1: Be Okay, we got you because you've got too much
Speaker 1: apple in your system. Same thing here. It's a component
Speaker 1: that doesn't get you high, but it's an after effect
Speaker 1: and artifact from the original product. So you know, it
Speaker 1: could be two days, three days, which is why when
Speaker 1: you have a drug test, you know, okay, well I
Speaker 1: can't smoke for thirty days because it takes that long
Speaker 1: for those metabolites to get out of your system. You're
Speaker 1: not high in day twenty nine, but the metabolites are
Speaker 1: still there.
Speaker 2: Correct, And actually alcohol Scott has a metabolite. It's called
Speaker 2: apple gluecroon EI or ETG. It hangs around in your
Speaker 2: body for up to eighty hours. And some probation departments,
Speaker 2: who you know, they do urine test for ETG to
Speaker 2: see if probation or inter drinking. So that'd be like
Speaker 2: testing people that leave a judicial fundraiser, a prosecutors.
Speaker 3: Fundraiser lodge testing them two days.
Speaker 2: Later, Hey, you're guilty, and that would be moronic. So
Speaker 2: but what SB fifty five does. There is a per
Speaker 2: se limit for actual THHC presently of two nanograms in
Speaker 2: your whole blood, and SB fifty five raises that from
Speaker 2: two to five. And in doing a little bit of
Speaker 2: prep for our discussion this morning, I actually found an
Speaker 2: article that was submitted by an opponent of Senate Bill
Speaker 2: fifty five, and it's a seven page letter that is
Speaker 2: actually I was very skeptical going into it, but I
Speaker 2: read and I'm like, this guy's pretty smart. And it
Speaker 2: talks about how people, based on scientific studies, chronic users
Speaker 2: of marijuana product can test it five nanograms any time
Speaker 2: of the day when they're not impaired whatsoever. And the
Speaker 2: crux of this letter to the Senate was that any
Speaker 2: per se limit for marijuana is still advised. And again
Speaker 2: it's it's based in some pretty solid studies. There was
Speaker 2: one study from a guy over in Europe that I've
Speaker 2: actually attended some of his lectures, right and aw Jones,
Speaker 2: And this is actually cites actual science, which oftentimes our
Speaker 2: General Assembly doesn't.
Speaker 1: Oh, they don't want to look at Jeff Meadows.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It made me think of what we've just talked about
Speaker 1: previously with like the CBD you know, can't drink bands
Speaker 1: and stuff because the craft beer industry is fading out
Speaker 1: and a local brewery's Ryan Geist fifty West, all those
Speaker 1: guys are coming up with new products. And it was,
Speaker 1: you know, CBD infused or THC infused drinks, and there's
Speaker 1: a nuance between the THC that you extract from and
Speaker 1: you know, from from hamp and from from marijuana, and
Speaker 1: there's a nuance there. And I get that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to mingle the two together. But point is people
Speaker 1: drinking and go wow, I like the feeling better than
Speaker 1: alcohol by drinking these THC infused drinks that comes from
Speaker 1: hamp and not marijuana. Would would this all get caught
Speaker 1: in there too? So someone who's maybe you go, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't you know. I don't use
Speaker 1: tin cheer, I don't smoke, I don't do edibles, but
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the THHC infused beverages. Would would people also
Speaker 1: be subject to this? Does that work as well?
Speaker 3: So the short answer is yes. Delta THC, which is largely.
Speaker 2: What's derived from the hemp product, can cause you to
Speaker 2: test positive or over certain limits depending on the frequency
Speaker 2: and quantity of use for the marijuana metabolite. So Cinebill
Speaker 2: fifty five was a wife bipartisan bill. It passed the
Speaker 2: Senate unanimously, and now it's in the House Judiciary Committee,
Speaker 2: and it completely eliminated this metabolite section of our OVII
Speaker 2: Wall forty five eleven nineteen of the Higher Revised Code.
Speaker 2: So a first glance, it's awesome because it completely gets
Speaker 2: rid of the per se component of metabolite it does
Speaker 2: say that a finder of facts, whether it's a judge
Speaker 2: or jury, can consider a chemical test namely learned along
Speaker 2: with any other competent evidence, an officer's observation, you know,
Speaker 2: what he smells, what he sees on your performance. But
Speaker 2: the problem again is that the carboxy THC, which is
Speaker 2: typically the only thing you're ever going to see identified
Speaker 2: any urine test, is not psychoactive, So there shouldn't be
Speaker 2: impairment psychomotor skills or fields based solely on marijuana metabit
Speaker 2: Interesting does that actually, by the way, Jeff Meadows, he's
Speaker 2: an attorney, Metal's law from one of the great ov
Speaker 2: I attorneys.
Speaker 1: It's Ohio Senate Bill fifty five. And even if you
Speaker 1: don't live on how you should know this because it
Speaker 1: changes our OVI laws and basically the way it changes
Speaker 1: metabolite testing for OVI, metabolizes will left over the byproduct
Speaker 1: from using THHC, so marijuana or in this case, some
Speaker 1: of those THD infused beverages that the state legislatures will
Speaker 1: wound up cleaning up so you can continue to enjoy those,
Speaker 1: if you drink those, if you smoke edibles, whatever, You
Speaker 1: could be jammed up in this thing because the metabolizes
Speaker 1: or this hang around much much longer than the effects,
Speaker 1: the high effects that you'd have. It's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, doing a breathalyzer test after you had a
Speaker 1: few drinks three or four or five or twenty nine
Speaker 1: days later. It's not fair. And I wonder. I can't
Speaker 1: help but think that this is like a de facto
Speaker 1: way to get people to use less marijuana, because we
Speaker 1: know the state legislature absolutely hates anyone who uses marijuana.
Speaker 1: They fought tooth and nail against all this thing. For
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Is this a way to undermine the demand
Speaker 1: for it?
Speaker 3: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: Are telling what they're thinking. But you know, there's some
Speaker 2: good language in this, like I said, eliminating the pers
Speaker 2: day limits for the metabolize, you know, and if you're
Speaker 2: sitting at home in the evening watching Super Troopers and
Speaker 2: then marijuana, you shouldn't be convicted of an ov I
Speaker 2: for driving to work the next day when the active
Speaker 2: THHD is gone.
Speaker 1: He is a Jeff Meadows Attorney's a lawyer, scientist, the
Speaker 1: Metals law firm. Ov I guy. And again it's an
Speaker 1: Ohio Senate Bill fifty five pass unanimously a change ov laws.
Speaker 1: If you got pulled over on a Friday. Let's say
Speaker 1: you get pulled over on a Friday night, take me
Speaker 1: through that stop. If you had some of these metabolites
Speaker 1: in your system. Let's say you're out having some of
Speaker 1: those beverages that have THC in them. Maybe you did
Speaker 1: that on Friday and it's now Sunday and you get
Speaker 1: pulled over before lane violation and the officer suspects that
Speaker 1: you have You've been pulled over and you've been using
Speaker 1: I don't know, either alcohol or that type of drug.
Speaker 1: How do you defend that? What's the process like from
Speaker 1: the first out?
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, Scott, I mean is the starting point. If
Speaker 2: I'm going to go out and have beverages, I actually
Speaker 2: uber from home. That way, I'm never tempted to drive
Speaker 2: you home. Yeah, and it amazes me I still have
Speaker 2: a job with all the ride share opportunities. But if
Speaker 2: you do, because it is legal to drink and then
Speaker 2: get in the cars, why there's parking lot at every bar. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, always be polite, respectful, hand your documents to
Speaker 2: the officer.
Speaker 3: Quite frankly, I'm a.
Speaker 2: Fan of rolling the window all the way down. This
Speaker 2: bull craft of cracking your window and sliding your license out.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows what that's about. Your hiding something. Just roll
Speaker 2: your damn window down and give them your documents. Let
Speaker 2: that car air out a little bit. When they ask
Speaker 2: you if you've had anything to drink or smoke or edibles,
Speaker 2: I think at that point you just invoke your constitutional right.
Speaker 2: The officer, I'd like to have an attorney if you
Speaker 2: want to question me. I really don't want to answer
Speaker 2: any questions. It is none of their business where you're
Speaker 2: coming from and where you're going to. So when they say, so,
Speaker 2: where are you coming from? Officer not answering that question.
Speaker 2: Where are you headed? Not answering that question either. If
Speaker 2: you want to keep questioning me, I'd like to talk
Speaker 2: to a lawyer. We can call Metos right now. His
Speaker 2: numbers three h nine.
Speaker 1: Jeffs my mood.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: When they tell you to get out of the car,
Speaker 2: get out, they've got fifty thousand bolts.
Speaker 3: On their hip to coerce you if you don't.
Speaker 2: And then I recommend nobody do field sobrieties, especially the
Speaker 2: eye test. When they're moving their finger or pin across
Speaker 2: your field of vision, they're looking for a neurological condition
Speaker 2: called nice stagnus. Most of the people who administer this
Speaker 2: test on a regular basis have more.
Speaker 3: Education than these officers do. They're called brain surgeons.
Speaker 2: And it's a test that's administered routinely every day in
Speaker 2: neurology and ophthalmology offices. These are people that have significant
Speaker 2: education and experience. When you've got an officer doing these
Speaker 2: tests and you're looking into the sun, you're looking at
Speaker 2: rotating lights. They're doing it on the side of the
Speaker 2: road with cars going buy a fifty five or eighty
Speaker 2: miles an hour. Overwhelmingly. Now that we have body worn camera,
Speaker 2: I can zoom in on my client space and see
Speaker 2: that there is verifiably no nice stagnat even though the
Speaker 2: officers believe they see it. And I don't think they're
Speaker 2: lying when they put it in their.
Speaker 3: Rowe Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's confirmation by.
Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, And that's what it is. That's why
Speaker 1: you never you know, you have lawyers and judges and
Speaker 1: they get put they never take the test. You just say, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing any I'll talk to an attorney. Can
Speaker 1: they force you to take a blood alcohol test? You've
Speaker 1: got to get a court order.
Speaker 3: For that, correct, Yeah, you got to have a warrant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, like the doormat at my in my
Speaker 2: house has come back with a warrant.
Speaker 1: Come back with a warrant. Yeah, that's a bait. And
Speaker 1: that's that's just one on one kind of stuff there.
Speaker 1: But they change these laws and then you wonder, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: is it just gonna make it? Is? Is it? Is
Speaker 1: it the fact a way to prevent people from enjoying
Speaker 1: what we wanted, and that is recreational and in cases
Speaker 1: medicinal marijuana and Ohio is Jeff Meadow's attorney with the
Speaker 1: Metals Law Firm. What's that number again?
Speaker 2: Five nine, Jeff is myself hopefully it's going to be
Speaker 2: going up here.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope not. That's the thing is, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a you represent your clients very very well,
Speaker 1: you're the best, but at the same times, like you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it and you wouldn't have to call Jeff
Speaker 1: and because it's a it's a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: From what I understand, I've never done it and I
Speaker 1: hope never have to call you. Jeff. I'm trying in
Speaker 1: my almost sixty years of life. Never to do that.
Speaker 1: So all the best, buddy, have a good one. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the insight.
Speaker 3: Thanks you two. Have a great weekend, yeap.
Speaker 1: Stuff you need to know as you head into the weekend.
Speaker 1: Here the city of Cincinnati can get and not get
Speaker 1: out of their own way. Interesting observation. All of the
Speaker 1: people that they have had fired in their administrative staffs,
Speaker 1: you know, chiefs and fire and they're either black or female.
Speaker 1: You notice that. And yet where's the outrage from the
Speaker 1: people who are outraged about the one white guy being
Speaker 1: the victim during the July brawls. We'll get into that. Plus,
Speaker 1: do you know how binge watching start? You gonna binge
Speaker 1: watch this weekend? The weather the way it is no football,
Speaker 1: the story behind that and how it actually started has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with COVID, by the way, nothing to
Speaker 1: do with COVID. We'll get into that next afternoons on
Speaker 1: The Scotsland Show. On this Friday morning on the home
Speaker 1: of the best Bengals coverage. Except this weekend where the
Speaker 1: Bengals are idle, They're off thereby there's no way they
Speaker 1: can lose this weekend. Can the Bengals lose this weekend?
Speaker 1: How many points. Can the defense give up? It's impossible.
Speaker 1: It's statistically impossible for the Bengals to lose this weekend.
Speaker 1: You can't do it. They're not playing, they're idle, and
Speaker 1: yet and yet come Monday morning it's the Bengals. So
Speaker 1: home of the best Bengals coverage one hundred Friday morning
Speaker 1: sloany here seven hundred. Got that weather moving in for
Speaker 1: sure football Friday night looks like the ring to move
Speaker 1: out for for football tonight. So and then Sunday the
Speaker 1: big cool down hits. But no football then because both
Speaker 1: you see and the Bengals are off done. Not sure
Speaker 1: when the last time that happened.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I'll ask Austin Elmore at ten thirty about that for you,
Speaker 1: A right good trivia question. Just put this up on
Speaker 1: my x feet at Scott Sloan from Scott for local guy.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about the effects of crime and
Speaker 1: the like in downtown c I know the election's over,
Speaker 1: kind of maybe tired of hearing about it, but you
Speaker 1: know these things, as they say, elections have consequences, and
Speaker 1: the decisions made by how we police also has consequences.
Speaker 1: And on that the video is kind of striking now
Speaker 1: I can't attribute to how it's been edited or you know,
Speaker 1: if it is indeed was shot last night. But according
Speaker 1: to the guy who posted this, he was in lives
Speaker 1: downtown and was on Vine Street Thursday night, walking up
Speaker 1: and down Vine Street, and it literally is a ghost town.
Speaker 1: Like for the sake of the city, I hope that
Speaker 1: that was shot wasn't shot last night. It was you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a Sunday night or something like that. But it's
Speaker 1: pretty frightening because there literally is no one there and
Speaker 1: it's now wasn't that long ago when on a Thursday
Speaker 1: night in downtown Cincinnati it's hard to get a table.
Speaker 1: There's hardly anyone in the Eagle, for example, and normally
Speaker 1: it's like a ninety minute wait to get an Eagle
Speaker 1: for fried chicken, and plenty of other bars and restaurants
Speaker 1: where there's literally no one in there. And I hope
Speaker 1: to God again it was taken out of context. I
Speaker 1: don't think it was. I don't know what the motive
Speaker 1: would be to do that. I mean the street car,
Speaker 1: there's no one on it. There's literally no one downtown.
Speaker 1: And I know I've known some folks who worked down
Speaker 1: there and had businesses down there that Yeah, they've seen
Speaker 1: a significant decline the number of people there. The fear
Speaker 1: is now that summer's over, there's gonna be a fewer people.
Speaker 1: And you think about last night. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: comfortable outside. It was it wasn't summer, wasn't hot, But
Speaker 1: it wasn't like the weather gonna hap on Sunday for sure,
Speaker 1: And so the weather was not an excuse. There really
Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of other things going on to
Speaker 1: distract people. It wasn't like a Super Bowl Sunday people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just it's just kind of frightening. And you
Speaker 1: can't help but think that one of the big factors,
Speaker 1: if not the main factor, it is the violence downtown
Speaker 1: and people are afraid to go downtown. You know, I've
Speaker 1: said before, Look, I'm not I don't really have that
Speaker 1: much of a fear of downtown. I'm little more alert
Speaker 1: and more aware and situationally aware. I'm kind of always
Speaker 1: that way. There are certain places I probably wouldn't go
Speaker 1: that time at night, especially the late night, maybe after
Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve o'clocks, or the when the clubs
Speaker 1: are closed and I'm in bettering because I'm old that
Speaker 1: won't be me not go to the clubs. There's a
Speaker 1: velvet rope and security guys with guns and body armor
Speaker 1: and they got metal detectors. Like, yeah, there's a place
Speaker 1: that idn't need to go into, and I gotta pay
Speaker 1: a cover to get in. Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. But that's that's kind of frightening,
Speaker 1: and that's a huge problem if that doesn't need the case,
Speaker 1: especially as heading the cold and wetter months when fear
Speaker 1: people do go downtown, and you wonder how many these
Speaker 1: places are going to close as a result of that.
Speaker 1: I guess I hope they got it doesn't true and
Speaker 1: it's a mischaracterization, but I have a fear it's not.
Speaker 1: The city is also the subject of a wrongful termination
Speaker 1: lawsuit by the former fire chief, Mike Washington, and a
Speaker 1: federal justice rejected the city's argument city monitor to dismiss
Speaker 1: this thing. I was like, there's no cause, there's no
Speaker 1: reason for this, summarily dismissing. The judge said, no, there
Speaker 1: is something here, and Washington is looking for punitive damages
Speaker 1: and back paying loss benefits. He says he was wrongly dismissed.
Speaker 1: Now the nicest wrinkle on this whole thing is Fox nineteen,
Speaker 1: a Trician men Atrician rob had this assistant fire chief
Speaker 1: Sherman Smith, has been fired for helping Washington's lawsuit. And
Speaker 1: he's a thirty one year veteran. He's been on the
Speaker 1: job for thirty one They're over three decades, and this
Speaker 1: is now the third assistant chief vacancy we have in
Speaker 1: the city. I'm just curious because in the context of
Speaker 1: what just happened on Tuesday, all the people they fired
Speaker 1: so far who have lost their jobs from Chief Washington,
Speaker 1: the other assistant chiefs Terry Thigi, et cetera, are either
Speaker 1: black or female. And you know, and I bring this
Speaker 1: up because we saw the race card being played during
Speaker 1: the July brawl, and the race card was played very,
Speaker 1: very hard. It looks like that race card was played wrongly.
Speaker 1: And no one's backing away from this because while you
Speaker 1: can't apologize as you're getting stuff wrong, if this were
Speaker 1: Cranleigh or I know, Corey Bowman, for example, wouldn't there
Speaker 1: be outrage in the fact that now we're dismissing minorities,
Speaker 1: people of color, women, et cetera. And it happens in
Speaker 1: under this administration Democrats, and it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: Why is it only a big deal when it happens
Speaker 1: the other way? I mean, if race, if we want
Speaker 1: to have racial balance and harmony and tree just get
Speaker 1: and who doesn't agree with that, we should all be
Speaker 1: treated the same unless you're an a hole. If you're
Speaker 1: an a hole, you deserve to be treated like you are.
Speaker 1: You deserve to be discriminated against peace. If you're a jerk, okay,
Speaker 1: but if you're cool, like ninety nine percent of the world,
Speaker 1: it really shouldn't it's really shouldn't matter. So it's day
Speaker 1: idea inclusiveness and all the cohesion and handhold it. So
Speaker 1: it's all good, But then practice like wait a minut,
Speaker 1: and well we're are these same people who are screaming
Speaker 1: about the fact that you need to charge a white
Speaker 1: guy because black folks were charged. And it turns out, well,
Speaker 1: he was a victim in this case because we saw
Speaker 1: the video that just came out. It was leaked out
Speaker 1: by the way, the city didn't want you to see it.
Speaker 1: If that's indeed the case, and we're talking about racial
Speaker 1: justice in Cincinnati, and yah, you've charged black folks. Care's
Speaker 1: the white guy too. Okay, Well, should they be complaining
Speaker 1: about this because we have a pattern here, don't we Well,
Speaker 1: of course it's about something else, which, of course it
Speaker 1: always is. It's funny who the fine line between a
Speaker 1: you know, a patriot and a terrorist or in this case,
Speaker 1: a trader or a whistleblower. They love whistleblowers when it's
Speaker 1: big corporations or Trump or whatever. But you got a whistleblower,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if isn't that how you describe
Speaker 1: Sherman Smith, the assistant chief who's been let go, like
Speaker 1: he's a whistleblower. No, he's not. He's he's a trader.
Speaker 1: He's hurting the city, he's undermine me. There's a lot
Speaker 1: going on here. There's a lot to unpack right there,
Speaker 1: and probably too much to unpack on a Friday morning.
Speaker 1: I apologize, I apologize. Here's this is a bit lighter
Speaker 1: for you, do you know how? And I'll do this
Speaker 1: because Will Gance is off today. It's like a lot
Speaker 1: of people are off today. It's just one of those days.
Speaker 1: It's fine, the show goes on. You know, Binge watching started,
Speaker 1: Binge watch well, binge watch well, dummy, Yeah, because of
Speaker 1: COVID we had nothing better do with, but we were
Speaker 1: a binge watching well before COVID. I just read this
Speaker 1: in thrills. This is really interesting. So in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six Netflix go back to two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: almost twenty years ago, when Netflix was a DVD rental service.
Speaker 1: If you did not know this or younger, this is fascinating.
Speaker 1: So it started the DVD, which is a disc that
Speaker 1: you put in a machine in the movie or the
Speaker 1: show is on a disc. And then he had play
Speaker 1: and you couldn't really rewind it. I mean you could
Speaker 1: rewind it and watch it skim through, and it was
Speaker 1: a lot easier than the VCR and I don't want
Speaker 1: to tell you what a vcarspent. And before that, it
Speaker 1: was beta in before that, so disc you put it.
Speaker 1: It was a DVD rental surface and I forget how
Speaker 1: it worked, but they'd mail them to you basically what
Speaker 1: had happened, and they'd mail you like two or three
Speaker 1: or four shows or movies. They're all movies back then,
Speaker 1: and then you'd watch them and then mail them back,
Speaker 1: and then when they got them back, they'd send you
Speaker 1: more if you so subscribe to the ones you wanted
Speaker 1: and at the time, the CEO of the company had
Speaker 1: a software called Cinematch and that was their recommendation surface.
Speaker 1: So the idea was, hey, we have the software and
Speaker 1: it's intuitive and based on the kind of themes that
Speaker 1: we see you renting, so you know, maybe your drama
Speaker 1: or horror or comedy or whatever it is, and go, Okay,
Speaker 1: you like that show, you may like this movie as well.
Speaker 1: And that was like, no one was doing that back
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. And they had the Cinematch
Speaker 1: software and this program that they wrote, this elegance an algorithm,
Speaker 1: and they kind of hit a wall with it and
Speaker 1: it was okay, it wasn't really great, but we didn't
Speaker 1: know how to make it better. They introduced something called
Speaker 1: the Netflix Prize, and the Netflix Prize in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six they offered a million dollars to improve the
Speaker 1: recommendation algorithm, that Cinematch algorithm by ten percent. Just improve
Speaker 1: it by ten percent and we'll do the rest million dollars.
Speaker 1: And when you offer a million dollars today or even
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and six, especially, they had something
Speaker 1: like thirty thousand participants. You had professionals, you had people
Speaker 1: in colleges, and universities, academics, you had hobbyists, you had
Speaker 1: garage tinkers that everyone's working because I wanted a million dollars.
Speaker 1: And the winner that they chose a little bit later
Speaker 1: came up with a algorithm that allowed them to get
Speaker 1: one hundred plus million ratings of almost eighteen thousand movies
Speaker 1: from a half million customers. They it just opened this
Speaker 1: floodgates to spick it, so they awarded them the Netflix Prize. Now,
Speaker 1: if you think about that, that was probably one of
Speaker 1: the first examples of what we now call crowdsourcing and
Speaker 1: maybe one of the most successful crowdsources of all time.
Speaker 1: That really put that on the map, because today the
Speaker 1: algorithm is now not only used by Netflix, is used
Speaker 1: by everybody including your social feed and now AI I mean,
Speaker 1: that's incredible, right, what incredible story. And there are problems
Speaker 1: along the way because they are inconsistencies, and you know,
Speaker 1: some people will just do a couple of movies. Some
Speaker 1: people are you know, it's like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: Yelp or something, you know, you have somebody may occasionally
Speaker 1: do a review, and then you have the super people
Speaker 1: you read or whatever it is, or are going to
Speaker 1: do ten thousand reviews themselves, and they also had a
Speaker 1: hard time figuring out movies that were a little like
Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite. How do you polarize? You know, how do
Speaker 1: you it's a polarizing movie. It's like either you love
Speaker 1: or you hate it. It's really hard to predict what
Speaker 1: else you're gonna lie if you like those movies, and
Speaker 1: what category is that? Actually?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 1: Comedy? Is it? It's kind of weird getting with a
Speaker 1: con brothers, for example, And so they had to work
Speaker 1: through those things. So it wasn't really wasn't overnight. But
Speaker 1: this opened the floodgate for algorithms, so all the stuff
Speaker 1: that you see now, and of course the downside of
Speaker 1: algorithms would be we want to kill each other as
Speaker 1: a result of all the algorithms, because all we're doing
Speaker 1: is doom scrolling and just seeing a steady feed of
Speaker 1: horrible things for most of us. And it just in
Speaker 1: the minute we get eyes on something, what do we do?
Speaker 1: We want more of it and so it goes. But
Speaker 1: this all started was started by a contest that Netflix
Speaker 1: did in two thousand and six really put crowdsourcing on
Speaker 1: the map, but in particular the algorithms that have led
Speaker 1: to where we are today as a society. Isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 1: I thought it was too, So now you're thinking, wow, DVDs.
Speaker 1: It's all started with the damn DVDs. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: time to get into this because ye this there's a
Speaker 1: good Friday topic as well. I don't know anyone who
Speaker 1: actually ever consumed this. It's something that exists that you
Speaker 1: would go, oh yeah, yeah, wait a minute, that's still around.
Speaker 1: There's Doctor Pepper and you see the I think the
Speaker 1: Fansville commercials are hilarious. I think they're great. They do
Speaker 1: a good job of and that's doctor Pepper, all right,
Speaker 1: and you have doctor Pepper. You got Pepper zero, you
Speaker 1: got all different flavors of that died. Doctor Pepper is huge.
Speaker 1: So Doctor Pepper's been around for a while. Back in
Speaker 1: the day, Coca Cola, that's a Pepsi brand, and Coca
Speaker 1: Cola came out and said, well, we got to do
Speaker 1: something to rival Dr Pepper, and they came out with
Speaker 1: a product called mister pib PIBB. Mister pib apparently it's
Speaker 1: been a way for almost a quarter century, and now
Speaker 1: they're bringing mister pib back Coca Cola is and the
Speaker 1: formula contains thirty percent more caffeine than the one that replaced,
Speaker 1: called pib Extra. But so mister Pip is back. It's
Speaker 1: I guess it's It's called a bold kick of cherry
Speaker 1: cherry flair with carmel hints in a spicy finish, kind
Speaker 1: of like Doctor Pepper. Anybody want to talk about what?
Speaker 1: What the hell's doctor pep?
Speaker 5: What is that?
Speaker 1: Someone said it's prune, other people said it's just vanilla,
Speaker 1: It's no one really knows. Kind of like steak sauce.
Speaker 1: You know, there's raisins in that really raisins and stakes.
Speaker 1: Hey one, Yeah, they rolled us out in closest places Michigan.
Speaker 1: They got in Chicago, Florida, and they're gonna start rolling
Speaker 1: the house next year. And there's also a zero sugar availion.
Speaker 1: But they started this in nineteen seventy two as a
Speaker 1: product called Peppo to complete Pete with Doctor Pepper, and
Speaker 1: then of course they sued them, and then they changed
Speaker 1: the name and they went to mister Pibb. And I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure that came from mister Pibb, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna roll this thing. It's one of those things, you go,
Speaker 1: why they're gonna roll the back out. I don't know
Speaker 1: anyone who ever said, Wow, you guys got mister pib Hey,
Speaker 1: what can I get? Would you like to do?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Okay, what's what drink would you like?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Coke, Pepsi, mountain dew sprite, got Fanta? No one ever said,
Speaker 1: y'all got mister pib one of the I like oreos,
Speaker 1: there is a great No one ever went, I think
Speaker 1: hydrocks is better. Id you know what I'm saying. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we've got news on the way in about ten minutes
Speaker 1: here on seven hundred. Wow. Usual suspect kind of off today,
Speaker 1: so we're kind of rolling. I know. Later in the show,
Speaker 1: we got the doctor Sale, who's our resident doctor of pharmacy?
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? President Trump at the White House
Speaker 1: just struck a deal with the two big manufacturers Eli
Speaker 1: Lilly and Novo UH to lower the price of GLP
Speaker 1: one injectables, which is the miracle drug that's causing people
Speaker 1: to lose up to about thirty pounds. Well, we know
Speaker 1: they're cheating. You know, you can go online now and
Speaker 1: get you know, prescribed over the phone or online online
Speaker 1: pharmacistem the houture that works. Okay, to do the injectible,
Speaker 1: it's I think once a week or whatever for a
Speaker 1: few months, and you lose up to thirty pounds. Great,
Speaker 1: Now you got to change your diet habits following that
Speaker 1: or during that, because if you go back to eat
Speaker 1: an entire sheet pizza and a five pound bag of
Speaker 1: Doritos dipped in ranch, you're going to put that weight
Speaker 1: back on. So you've got to change a lifestyle and
Speaker 1: exercise and eat right as well. But for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, we have now seen the obese rate in
Speaker 1: America actually go down for a change, which is something
Speaker 1: that's unprecedented. I have never seen that before whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: now the numbers are going back down and are locked. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. Now. I don't know if that's a permanent thing,
Speaker 1: but hey, we're moving in the right direction. The President
Speaker 1: also is now seeing how medicare can also include that
Speaker 1: as well, So you're just going to see. The point
Speaker 1: is it's going to bring the cost down because so
Speaker 1: many more people have it, we're producing more of it.
Speaker 1: But also now that it's pretty much going to be common,
Speaker 1: a lot more people are going to get ENNGLP once
Speaker 1: and maybe that to you, maybe it's been cost prohibitive.
Speaker 1: I think when this just started just a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, it was I want to say, close to
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars a month, I think is what I heard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like like well over one thousand dollars a month, where
Speaker 1: GLP was twelve hundred bucks a month. And now those
Speaker 1: costs are down one hundred so it's going to be
Speaker 1: even less now. I could imagine. It's the governments off
Speaker 1: from this whole thing. So they struck a deal and
Speaker 1: everybody's going to be on this stuff, and at some
Speaker 1: point it's just going to be you know, when you
Speaker 1: go in to get a mister pib, they're going to
Speaker 1: have the GLP one in the mister pib. It's going
Speaker 1: to be pib LP one or something like that. We're
Speaker 1: headed to five one, three, seven nine, the big one.
Speaker 1: Let me go to Jim Claremont County on seven hundred.
Speaker 1: W W Jim, good morning.
Speaker 4: I saw me.
Speaker 6: One thing I don't like about listening to is you
Speaker 6: make me laugh so much. I got to go to
Speaker 6: the bathroom anyway.
Speaker 1: Gotta get rid of that, mister pidd.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you were talking to earlier about that next
Speaker 6: flick thing. I remember the I remember the Columbia house
Speaker 6: saying music thing when I was in ice work.
Speaker 1: Fine job, remember that, Yeah, you get so it was
Speaker 1: like a penny and you'd get thirteen records or cassettes
Speaker 1: or eight tracks for a penny. And then the agreement was,
Speaker 1: I think for the next fifty years you have to buy.
Speaker 1: You have to buy once a month the Columbia Record
Speaker 1: and Tape. But once in a while you'll like, you know,
Speaker 1: just get down a rabbit hole up this weekend. Be
Speaker 1: good for it. You know, you're in a website or
Speaker 1: something like that, you're like, oh my god, look at
Speaker 1: that ad from you know, nineteen eighty four, the Columbia
Speaker 1: Record and Tape Club. It was pretty cool. I remember
Speaker 1: like every every teenager had, you know, you had that job. Well,
Speaker 1: if you working as a teenager, like the first thing
Speaker 1: you do get little money is getting that Columbia record
Speaker 1: table and they shit you a big box had all
Speaker 1: the great hits in it, right, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: now you know about like the commitment of the contract
Speaker 1: is for the next several years you have to buy.
Speaker 1: I think it's like one one a month or something
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, days going on. Now you just
Speaker 1: you know, subscribe to iHeart or Spotify whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and you get unlimited take it all the fun. It's
Speaker 1: like concert tickets. You just have to camp out to
Speaker 1: get concert tickets. Now you don't even get the ticket anymore.
Speaker 1: It's on your phone. And we're better off for it,
Speaker 1: I think. Anyway, it's news on the way Scott's Long
Speaker 1: Friday morning. I hope you have a good one, seven
Speaker 1: hundred WW Cincinnati. You don't want to be.
Speaker 7: An American idiot.
Speaker 1: You've got a phone show on seven hundred W LW.
Speaker 1: I'd love to chat check in occasionally with our friends
Speaker 1: and the veterans, the Veterans Services Commission, especially the executive
Speaker 1: director of Claremont's and that would be Steve Belco in
Speaker 1: the studio this morning, and Steve, welcome back. Good to
Speaker 1: have you. I know, these are tough times for everybody.
Speaker 1: We've got government shutdowns, we've got the cash flow maybe
Speaker 1: stopping people, maybe getting paid, maybe not getting paid. Not
Speaker 1: the best of times for Americans, specifically in our military
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 8: Sure, sure, a lot of anxiety out of anxiety right now.
Speaker 8: So what's what's tomorrow hold and yeah, having the ability
Speaker 8: to shore up.
Speaker 1: Is this all affected in any way in shape or
Speaker 1: form what you guys do in veterans services, No.
Speaker 5: Great question, it does not.
Speaker 8: And the Ohio Revice Code established that we are part
Speaker 8: of the county millage that they take up with taxations,
Speaker 8: so we're not federally funded.
Speaker 1: But the VA it's a different story. So you as
Speaker 1: you know, and I've explained having Steve Haunt from time
Speaker 1: to time to check in with our veterans and see
Speaker 1: how they're doing. Is that that you're the conduit between
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things you do. Not everything you do,
Speaker 1: we'll get to in a second, but one of the
Speaker 1: biggest things you do, of course is coordinate healthcare and
Speaker 1: the VA covered for veterans, because again it's a big
Speaker 1: government agency and you don't have the kind of time
Speaker 1: and knowledge to be able to navigate that. So you
Speaker 1: need someone like a tax accountant to navigate that for you.
Speaker 8: Well said, well said, there's the with the healthcare. Sorry,
Speaker 8: I'm gonna caught up over my tongue. With the healthcare
Speaker 8: is also the compensation and benefits that are the result
Speaker 8: of injuries from active duty or service while on active duty.
Speaker 8: So it's a combination of both getting in through the
Speaker 8: door and then also being compensated for how you were injured,
Speaker 8: and then sustaining life after that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I saw this in advance of our talk today that
Speaker 1: not every state has what we have here in Ohio.
Speaker 1: All eighty eight counties have a Veteran Service Commission. Not
Speaker 1: all states do this, No, not at all.
Speaker 8: Actually, Ohio's we're almost at the pointed that Ohio's and
Speaker 8: anomaly that we have this in every county. There are
Speaker 8: I believe somewhere less than ten. I think it's single
Speaker 8: digit states that have our type of program in every
Speaker 8: county of the state.
Speaker 1: I think that says a lot about the Buckeye State
Speaker 1: and how we treat our veterans, not lip service, the
Speaker 1: fact that they're there for you.
Speaker 5: We say.
Speaker 8: And even our federal retirement so those who retire from
Speaker 8: the military, the state does not tax the retirement benefits
Speaker 8: from the military still federally taxed, but the state overlooks that.
Speaker 5: There's a few states that do that as well.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's look at the overview here too,
Speaker 1: because I have you on we talked about more granular
Speaker 1: issues too. I think the day to days of this too.
Speaker 1: But what actually you do for veterans oh us.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So when we look at what my office is
Speaker 8: designed to do by the Ohire Revice Code is a
Speaker 8: is a three legged stool that we.
Speaker 5: Like to refer to in the military, everything's in threes.
Speaker 8: So we help veterans, as we already spoke about apply
Speaker 8: for healthcare as well as benefits compensation. We transfert veterans
Speaker 8: to and from their VA appointments, which has really grown
Speaker 8: in the past couple of years as they started to
Speaker 8: outsource third party physicians to do their compensation review CMP exams.
Speaker 8: And then there's also the emergency financial assistance where there
Speaker 8: are times where life just hits you and you didn't
Speaker 8: see it coming, and we get to pick up the
Speaker 8: veteran who hit rock bottom there's no way out.
Speaker 5: And we re establish them.
Speaker 1: What is that? What by the way, I mean Preference
Speaker 1: is saying, so you're listening, going, well, I don't live
Speaker 1: in Claremont County, so I'm a veteran in my family,
Speaker 1: or I'm a veteran, or someone in someone's family's a veteran.
Speaker 1: This is true in all the other eighty seven counties.
Speaker 1: So you know, you're kind of like the spokesperson for
Speaker 1: the program stay. You know, we get people listen all
Speaker 1: over the place, and so you're going, wow, Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that was available to me as a service.
Speaker 1: I thought it was just VA and maybe a ride there.
Speaker 1: But there's all these other things that go on. So
Speaker 1: when you talk about hitting rock bottom not maybe not
Speaker 1: you know, physically or in a political way, emotionally, what
Speaker 1: does that look like? What kind of support is that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So.
Speaker 8: The Ohiovice Code says that we will, in circumstances be
Speaker 8: able to support veterans, and that is a Every county
Speaker 8: is going to be different in how they approach the
Speaker 8: financial assistance. Some label it exactly that financial assistance. Some
Speaker 8: label emergency financial assistance. So that as the commissioners of
Speaker 8: my I have five board members that are commissioners separate
Speaker 8: from the county commissioners, establish a policy to say this
Speaker 8: is how we're going to handle financial assistance. And so
Speaker 8: for Claremont County we label it emergency financial assistance so
Speaker 8: that it's a new emergent financial emergency that's like, Gee,
Speaker 8: the roof fall in, or mama's cancer can't pay medical bills,
Speaker 8: and I've got these other things that are.
Speaker 1: Falling by my car transmission out of my car, right.
Speaker 5: Right, you know.
Speaker 8: So there's there's different parameters as to how financial assistance
Speaker 8: is supported. However, every county has a financial assistance but
Speaker 8: that is based on the millage a county can bring
Speaker 8: in that supports the office. So obviously you're less dense
Speaker 8: counties are going to have less support for financial assistance.
Speaker 8: But you're also going to see it's more agrarian and
Speaker 8: there's less veteran population.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, sure, sure, yeah, it's based on the population. You
Speaker 1: had more in Claremont County, Butler Warren as you move
Speaker 1: out to the Green County a little bit different, right,
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, I got it. So I'm met.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: As far as the services going, people go, okay, well
Speaker 1: what does this cost me? It doesn't cost you anything.
Speaker 5: Does it. Absolutely?
Speaker 8: Frankly, the taxpayers have already paid for you to be
Speaker 8: served as a veteran. So when you come to the
Speaker 8: office and you want to see a service officer because
Speaker 8: you have this issue from your time on active duty
Speaker 8: and you need to apply to the VA, we have
Speaker 8: trained service officers that can apply on your behalf. They
Speaker 8: know what they're looking for, the forums that they need,
Speaker 8: the order in which they're applied. So which is really
Speaker 8: nice that you can come in and not only talk
Speaker 8: to a service officer about applying for your benefits. They
Speaker 8: can track it through the VA where most it's a
Speaker 8: blind submittal. It's the black hole you submitted into and
Speaker 8: you just wait for the letter to come right, our
Speaker 8: service officers can see within to see how it's tracking.
Speaker 8: How many service officers you have in Clarmat, I currently
Speaker 8: have four, I'm looking to hire the fifth process.
Speaker 1: Are you looking for a veteran? Do they have to
Speaker 1: be a veteran? Is that a qualifier? And what do
Speaker 1: they do? How do they get trained?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 8: Great question, So they have to Cornell Higher Revice code.
Speaker 8: A veteran service officer has to be a veteran. So
Speaker 8: they're going to come from the active components. They're going
Speaker 8: to have experience in so primarily understanding the acronyms and
Speaker 8: the communication, the verbiage that we use in the military,
Speaker 8: as well as the education they receive. Are five classes
Speaker 8: a year of continuing education, so once a quarter for
Speaker 8: the county. From the Ohio perspective and then there's once.
Speaker 1: A year for a national gotcha all right, Okay, so
Speaker 1: that makes as i'mgoing training, and the training has to
Speaker 1: do with all the I mean, I suppose you could
Speaker 1: file your own claim. I'm sure veterans all over the
Speaker 1: place file or unclaim. But the more complicated I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess, the more pushback there is or delays. It's
Speaker 1: almost you need one of these advisors to do the
Speaker 1: bidding for you because you don't know the language, you
Speaker 1: don't know where to go, who to ask, because it's
Speaker 1: the government, right. You learn that in the military, use
Speaker 1: a marine. You learned that as like man, the hierarchy,
Speaker 1: I'm standing around waiting for someone to make a decision
Speaker 1: because of the hierarchy. That's part of the problem in
Speaker 1: the military.
Speaker 5: Well, back in the seventies, our Fithers could tink around
Speaker 5: their own car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you do that today? I can't do that now.
Speaker 1: Unless you've got a computer, unless you've got thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars in diagnostic tools and special tools to take the
Speaker 1: air filter off, you can't do that.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 8: So there's some small things you can do. I mean,
Speaker 8: VA dot gov allows a veteran to apply on their
Speaker 8: own behalf. Now there's danger involved with that. There's not danger,
Speaker 8: there is concern involving that. In that, does a veteran
Speaker 8: know the order of precedence in which to file? Yeah,
Speaker 8: so there is with the VA, and the VA is
Speaker 8: good at kicking things back with No, that's a second
Speaker 8: or third or fourth order of cause you need to
Speaker 8: go back to the They'll just say denied, and the
Speaker 8: veteran doesn't know.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, and then you get frustrated and go,
Speaker 1: I'm on my own and it sucks, and you know,
Speaker 1: the big countries turn my back on me. It's to
Speaker 1: President Trump's point, that's I mean, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about doze and all that, but that's
Speaker 1: the part of the problems. I bureaucracy is just too great.
Speaker 8: Right then, Additionally, the forms are changing. Every four to
Speaker 8: six months, something new comes along. Oh, we learned this
Speaker 8: change the verbiage in that that's now an outdated form
Speaker 8: the veteran used, which the VA kicks back. No, you
Speaker 8: used an old form, right, So now that's taken four
Speaker 8: months out of the timeframe of me receiving my benefits.
Speaker 8: So it's to the benefit of the government that they
Speaker 8: can apply on VA dot gov unless you're an extremely
Speaker 8: smart individual who can read through. We have two volumes
Speaker 8: that come out annually of all the rules and regulations
Speaker 8: and they're both about four inches thick that my service
Speaker 8: officers read through in order to apply a quality of education.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steve Belsos here, Steve is the executiverector of Clamont
Speaker 1: County Veterans Service Commission'm gon to pause us for just
Speaker 1: a second, Steve and switch back to real world and
Speaker 1: those of us who didn't serve our country like you
Speaker 1: did and which so right now the government shutdown and
Speaker 1: there's a debate over healthcare. Right we're shut is a healthcare.
Speaker 1: Healthcare The people who are the Democrats in particular want
Speaker 1: universal government subsidized healthcare. So you're listening to this now, going,
Speaker 1: can you imagine if we get that, we're going to
Speaker 1: need not Veteran Services Committee, We're still going to need
Speaker 1: someone to interpret healthcare. Well, we have to go to
Speaker 1: the doctor and need surgery, because that's what this is
Speaker 1: going to become. And that is the problem with it,
Speaker 1: is the fact that we need whether it's this or
Speaker 1: taxes another one or hey, you know, I'm gonna apply
Speaker 1: for college alone college aid. You need these advisors and books,
Speaker 1: and you have to be an expert. It's because the
Speaker 1: more the government does this stuff, the heart is for
Speaker 1: you to get what it is you want.
Speaker 8: Absolutely right, they build up more of these boulders around
Speaker 8: the sides. That causes an individual to really ramp up
Speaker 8: the education to get beyond what's holding them back. And
Speaker 8: then when we start socializing healthcare, think of how the
Speaker 8: VA has been just ostracized for the past how many
Speaker 8: years that that and in a sense, that's a small
Speaker 8: culture of socialized healthcare. Now you take this broad nationally.
Speaker 8: The VA has done a good job tackling in pushing
Speaker 8: veterans out to third party providers so that I'll make
Speaker 8: an appointment for you because we don't have the throughput
Speaker 8: through this hospital to doctor Jones over here specialists.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 8: So, but the VA uses what they call it vincent
Speaker 8: that's the same as we would call a district. And
Speaker 8: so the higher revised Code says that I will transport
Speaker 8: my veterans within the district of the VA hospital. I
Speaker 8: resided that's fine. I called the Cincinnati VA, what's our district?
Speaker 8: While we go by vincent. I said, Okay, what's our
Speaker 8: vincent Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. So from Claremont County, I
Speaker 8: have the expectation to transport veterans to Michigan, Indiana and Ohio.
Speaker 8: If the VA established the appointment to include. Now the
Speaker 8: VA's transitioning a little bit two morters of excellence. So
Speaker 8: now this hospital is going to have a set of
Speaker 8: excellence over this, which now makes it more of a
Speaker 8: fluid approach. But it also caused more distance and price
Speaker 8: on me as I'm.
Speaker 1: Free hcause if you if like you're sending that closest
Speaker 1: Sexor centers was in Minnesota, well can you cover airfare
Speaker 1: for that? How does that work? Right? Right?
Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, I'm putting a driver on the road.
Speaker 8: For for example, maybe three weeks ago, I personally drove
Speaker 8: a veteran to Cleveland to the Cleveland clinic because the
Speaker 8: veteran was that injured. But still it's within my district.
Speaker 8: It's a veteran that needs the service. The VA established
Speaker 8: the appointment up there because of the excellence we know
Speaker 8: of the and so it was a sixteen hour day
Speaker 8: getting that veteran tow and from that had no other way.
Speaker 5: To get that.
Speaker 1: But I think because you know, you hit on something there.
Speaker 1: My dad who passed was a Navy veteran and he
Speaker 1: had leg to have his leg taken off at one point,
Speaker 1: but he had that done at the Lewis Stokes VA
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and that was one of the best places
Speaker 1: you can do that, and his standard of care was
Speaker 1: It was incredible as a family member to watch that
Speaker 1: and be there part of that, and how well they
Speaker 1: treated him even though he served in the sixties, and
Speaker 1: how respectful they were and the chain of command, but
Speaker 1: also the fact that the standard of care was absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 1: So that's good that we do that wonderful way.
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 8: And then I will say Cincinnati VA, above all is
Speaker 8: doing a phenomenal job and taking care of veterans right now,
Speaker 8: and so walking in you're greeted. It's a great standard
Speaker 8: of care. Veterans are happy to go down to the
Speaker 8: Cincinnati VA. I think they've done a great job. Whether
Speaker 8: or not we do that across the country yet, I
Speaker 8: don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah to be determined, so but hopefully they can improve
Speaker 1: those areas. So you can only control what's in our area.
Speaker 1: And fortunately we have really good coverage. We have great care,
Speaker 1: and of course with veteran services and all lady accountants
Speaker 1: Clamont where you are, Steve, we know that there's people
Speaker 1: out there fighting for you if you're a veteran of
Speaker 1: family member. So it's not just a healthcare and we
Speaker 1: often talk about that. How much it's a percentage? Would
Speaker 1: you say it's healthcare related to what you.
Speaker 5: Guys do well?
Speaker 8: For the first service officers, it is one hundred percent.
Speaker 8: So if it's not current healthcare of continued care, it's
Speaker 8: also the extension of the injuries from active duty and
Speaker 8: receiving care for those so as well as like your
Speaker 8: father is serving in the sixties, Agent Orange. They denied
Speaker 8: it for years and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 8: becomes oh no, it is an initiator of many different
Speaker 8: causal type of effects. So they're coming back in to say, hey,
Speaker 8: now this is recognized, I need to apply for this
Speaker 8: or that. So healthcare is probably eighty percent of what
Speaker 8: my office does.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then the other twenty mental health and travel
Speaker 1: all those other things too. But they're there for you.
Speaker 1: And Steve Belsa is the executive director Clamont. But again,
Speaker 1: if you're listening to other county Ohio. You do have
Speaker 1: a Veteran Service Commission there that does these things for you.
Speaker 1: So you're kind of like the spokesperson for the entire state.
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. Absolutely, Yeah, I am. I
Speaker 1: can no, really, I'm a humble guy.
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 8: However, I had a veteran come visit me yesterday from Ohio.
Speaker 8: Had no idea this was in every county and the
Speaker 8: services we provide are free for that veteran. And there
Speaker 8: is currently legislation on both the Ohio and the House
Speaker 8: of Representatives federally to change some of the verbiage over
Speaker 8: how veterans are recognized and service as well as how
Speaker 8: these outside entities besides the county Veteran Service officers will
Speaker 8: do everything for free for the veteran. These other entities
Speaker 8: want to charge and receive a portion from your benefits
Speaker 8: coming back at you.
Speaker 5: That's how they're paid. We don't get paid unless you
Speaker 5: get paid.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but now you're taking thirty percent of that, which
Speaker 8: is going to meet a medical or my medical bills.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch out. There's all sorts of scams like
Speaker 1: I had one the other day from and kind of
Speaker 1: mind computer you're talking about. But you got to watch out.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I know we noticed it. Your I
Speaker 1: don't know your passports expire. Well we'll take care of that.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and it made it look like the fake
Speaker 1: sealed they put on and may it look like it's
Speaker 1: a government agent. They're going, I just did this. Watch
Speaker 1: it so again it's legit. Claremont Kenny Veterans Services. He
Speaker 1: also he's the executive director. Just reach out to you.
Speaker 1: You know, you can google it Claremont County Veterans or
Speaker 1: whatever countie you're in Veterans Services Commission and get what
Speaker 1: those folkses are great at what they do. And I
Speaker 1: love the fact that you come in every few weeks
Speaker 1: and check in and discris veteranstion appreciate it. Thanks buddy,
Speaker 1: Uh Steve be Well, let's get a time out in
Speaker 1: It's a Scott Floon show on seven hundred wl.
Speaker 9: Ken.
Speaker 1: We go on this Friday morning. Everybody else took the
Speaker 1: day off, but Austin. Austin's here as he's always here.
Speaker 1: He's here tonight actually six to six thirty ahead of you.
Speaker 1: See basketball and sports stock could be filling in tonight.
Speaker 1: You can find him weekdays at noon on ESPN fifteen
Speaker 1: thirty with a sidekick Tony Pike, speaking of college basketball
Speaker 1: being here Georgia State, I believe tonight tonight tonight? Is
Speaker 1: that correct, Austin, That's correct.
Speaker 7: The Bearcat's back in action, trying to match Xavier and
Speaker 7: go two and oh to start the season. I didn't
Speaker 7: watch Xavier because I only was on last night, but
Speaker 7: nonetheless they only one by five, and this time of season,
Speaker 7: I think it's fair to have low expectations for Xavier.
Speaker 7: It's pretty low. I would say, obviously, the you know,
Speaker 7: dealing with the nonsense after Sean Miller's departure, and you
Speaker 7: bring in a new coach kind of late in the process,
Speaker 7: and you deal with the whole portal thing, and the
Speaker 7: Big East is a tough conference. It's it's gonna take
Speaker 7: some time for for Xavier. I don't think. I think
Speaker 7: a lot of their fans understand that too. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 7: it's not gonna just happen overnight. But I think, as
Speaker 7: we all can understand, you should savor every win you get,
Speaker 7: doesn't matter by how little or how much. Anytime you win,
Speaker 7: you should be happy. And the Muskies are two and oh.
Speaker 7: But Lemoyne. Lemoyne and Marist, a couple of New York
Speaker 7: schools who gave the Mouskies a run.
Speaker 1: I know where Marist is. I had no idea where
Speaker 1: Lemoine was. Yeah, to look that up.
Speaker 7: What's even funnier is they're in Syracuse, New York. Yeah,
Speaker 7: and they're the Dolphins. I don't think there's dolphins in Syracuse.
Speaker 7: They couldn't I check, couldn't take Orange. I know, you
Speaker 7: should have done something else. You should have been the Lemons,
Speaker 7: been like Blue or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so yeah, college basketball, we get it.
Speaker 1: I had to point this out too, because I'm sick
Speaker 1: for the puck Alexandrovitchkin this week. I'm sick for the puck.
Speaker 1: Nine hundred goals never been done in NHL history, fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred games played these fourty years old, fifteen hundred games,
Speaker 1: nine hundred goals, seven hundred and twenty six assists, sixteen
Speaker 1: hundred plus points, led the NHL in scoring nine seasons.
Speaker 1: But this is the I saw this this morning. It
Speaker 1: blew me away. To show you the level. If he
Speaker 1: hadn't scored a goal until he turned thirty in the
Speaker 1: NHL Okay, starting at age thirty, so last ten years
Speaker 1: he'd still be ninth on the all time active List's amazed.
Speaker 1: If he didn't score a single goal after he turned thirty,
Speaker 1: he'd be sixth. That's amazing.
Speaker 7: That is as a truly, truly great player, an iron man,
Speaker 7: an iron man great player, and a guy who you
Speaker 7: would look at off the ice and wonder about his
Speaker 7: habits and how he takes care of him. Donald's exactly.
Speaker 7: It's amazing that he has had this mixture of longevity
Speaker 7: and toughness and talent that he's been able to do
Speaker 7: and obviously score nine hundred the other night, first player
Speaker 7: to ever do that. That is a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 7: I mean last year was a huge deal, passing the
Speaker 7: all time scoring record with Wayne Gretzky and attendance, and
Speaker 7: then to get to nine hundred, and then on top
Speaker 7: of that, the goalie tried to steal the puck.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 7: They tried to stick that number nine hundred inside his
Speaker 7: pads like nobody would notice.
Speaker 1: Did he respond as to why he did he want
Speaker 1: the Keith Baker trying to stick at tight movie? Because
Speaker 1: I love that about hockey. I didn't follow up.
Speaker 7: I feel like, there's probably an inside joke there, but
Speaker 7: I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: If you're any other player, any other team, you don't
Speaker 1: you like, hey, you got nine hundred, tap the stick
Speaker 1: for the guy. Give you the team that he did
Speaker 1: it against.
Speaker 7: You hate him? Yeah, I think you should throw it
Speaker 7: in the stand. So that'd be just fire it, fire
Speaker 7: it back in the puck bag. Yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 7: you was it, were they at home? Do you know
Speaker 7: I that I don't know. So here's my thought process.
Speaker 7: If I'm the goalie, all right, and I'm at home
Speaker 7: and a visitor Alex Ovechkin scores nine hundred, I take
Speaker 7: the puck, I throw it into the stand. So then
Speaker 7: one of my fans has a chance to profit off
Speaker 7: of this. They get either money or they get to
Speaker 7: meet Ov or whatever it is. But make make Ov
Speaker 7: work for it, make them go. That's pretty cool though.
Speaker 7: That's definitely going to the whole of the things I
Speaker 7: think of it. I know, where's the NHL hole name Toronto? Toronto? Okay,
Speaker 7: beautiful to check that out. Never really thought about that, because.
Speaker 1: All right, so we have the bile it's tell usual,
Speaker 1: when is the last time, if ever have the Bearcats
Speaker 1: and the Bengals sure to buy.
Speaker 7: That's a better question for Dan Horde. He would know
Speaker 7: those things, probably would.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know if I want to say it happened
Speaker 7: not that long ago, but maybe maybe not.
Speaker 1: Just weird no football local football this weekend. Yeah, very strange.
Speaker 1: I'm that too. Okay, So trade deadline hits in the
Speaker 1: fourth the Bengals made one move Logan Wilson. We talked
Speaker 1: about that last time they did got BJ Finny, which
Speaker 1: put them over the top, got of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They normally don't they Here's the thing, normally they didn't
Speaker 1: do anything. I gotta get from what I hear, they
Speaker 1: actually tried this time, right, They try to make some most.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they were a little bit
Speaker 7: more open minded. I don't think the people that run
Speaker 7: the Bengals are stupid people. I think they understand where
Speaker 7: this organization is at and where they have deficiencies. And
Speaker 7: if you remember, going back to March all the way
Speaker 7: up into this point, anytime the idea of trading someone
Speaker 7: like Trey Henderson or trading anyone came up, it was
Speaker 7: reported that the Bengals were looking for young defensive players
Speaker 7: that could help them this year. So they understand the
Speaker 7: deficiencies of their roster and they look at the value
Speaker 7: of draft picks, they look at the value of a
Speaker 7: great player like Trey Hendrickson, and they say, okay, well
Speaker 7: we need to supplement our roster by using these things,
Speaker 7: and that's gonna make our asking price high. And it
Speaker 7: sounded like asking price was maybe a second round pick.
Speaker 7: But once Quinn Williams was traded to the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 7: when a first and second round pick came off the board,
Speaker 7: and the Bengals are like, okay, well, maybe we're asking
Speaker 7: too little for Trey Hendrickson here, and teams ultimately weren't
Speaker 7: willing to pony that up. And I think there was internally,
Speaker 7: I don't know that there was a desire to trade Trey,
Speaker 7: because as much as I say I don't think they're stupid,
Speaker 7: I do think at times they're delusional about how close
Speaker 7: they might be to actually being able to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to your point about asking too much,
Speaker 1: I mean Colts gave up two first round picks at
Speaker 1: twenty six twenty seven for Sauce.
Speaker 7: That's a lawful young player under contract and a team
Speaker 7: friendly contract. So as far as you're concerned, if you're
Speaker 7: the Colts, worth it. And I love what the Colts
Speaker 7: owner Carly urs Gordon said to their GM Chris Ballard.
Speaker 7: She said, do you want to put a band aid
Speaker 7: on it? Or do you want to put a long
Speaker 7: term fix at that position? And gave him the choice
Speaker 7: to go and get a long term fix, which they
Speaker 7: did with saus Gartner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess too. You know they didn't the
Speaker 1: short term contracts achievement with Trey any kind of made sense.
Speaker 1: But also tells me like they think they can win
Speaker 1: with his team, do you after what I've seen, I
Speaker 1: don't think they can win with this team.
Speaker 7: I know they can't win with this The defense is
Speaker 7: not good enough. That's what they're doing, and especially if
Speaker 7: Trey is out for any period of time, because when
Speaker 7: he's out off the field, it's it's a much much,
Speaker 7: much different defense, and it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't guarantee it wins when Oh Burrow comes back. No,
Speaker 1: you'd playing great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean we're on the verge now, three straight
Speaker 7: years without making the playoffs, and one of those had
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow completely healthy and the other had Burrow completely
Speaker 7: healthy for a half So I think they also look
Speaker 7: at it next year and realize they can put the
Speaker 7: franchise tag on Trey Hendrickson and it's not going to
Speaker 7: be an outrageous amount of money. It would still be
Speaker 7: worth having him in their plans if they choose to
Speaker 7: do that. I'm not entirely convinced they will, to be
Speaker 7: honest with you, but that it does create options for them.
Speaker 7: I think they could also look at it and say, Okay, well,
Speaker 7: Trey has lost a little bit of value because of
Speaker 7: his age and because of his lack of production this
Speaker 7: year and because of his injury. If he comes back
Speaker 7: this season and performs at the level we've seen him
Speaker 7: in the past, that's going to create more value for
Speaker 7: him next year and they could be playing the long game.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if not Trey, who whould you tag? Would
Speaker 1: they tag? I don't think they would tag anybody. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's anybody worth that. Yeah, and Trey is
Speaker 1: the only one as well at that point. Could you
Speaker 1: get another year out of him?
Speaker 7: Yeah you could. And I think a viable option would
Speaker 7: be to tag him and trade him.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Entirely possible, because if they tag him, it's at twenty
Speaker 7: seven million dollars. That would be a steal for any team.
Speaker 7: If he is productive as we've known him to be,
Speaker 7: you'll there will be a team that will happily pay
Speaker 7: twenty seven million dollars for traders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard it. I think it's one of our
Speaker 1: Bengal segments with Rocky and they're marking more talking about
Speaker 1: just bringing guys in from other practice squads just to
Speaker 1: see if he could find somebody. Yeah, that sounds like
Speaker 1: a good idea, but in reality, is is that worth
Speaker 1: the effort?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 7: I think you need to be constantly challenging the guys
Speaker 7: that you have on the roster. You should always be
Speaker 7: looking to improve what we call the bottom of the roster.
Speaker 7: The Bengals did sign a center, Jacob Bear last week,
Speaker 7: so that sort of stuff. I mean, obviously the dealing
Speaker 7: with some injuries on the back end of the offensive line.
Speaker 7: But you know, I think a perfect example of this
Speaker 7: is the safety position. I do not understand why Jordan
Speaker 7: Battle and Geno Stone have gotten every single opportunity. Now,
Speaker 7: I don't understand why PJ. Jewles hasn't gotten a chance,
Speaker 7: why Tyson Anderson hasn't gotten a chance, Tyson Anderson is
Speaker 7: one of your best special teamers and a guy that
Speaker 7: we know can tackle.
Speaker 1: I think at this point you just bring guys up.
Speaker 7: If you're gonna bench Logan Wilson for the young linebackers,
Speaker 7: if you're gonna bench Dalton Reisner or anybody else for
Speaker 7: the young offensive guard in Jalen Rivers, why wouldn't you
Speaker 7: bench the older safeties for a chance to see with
Speaker 7: the young guy. Have that that I think is where
Speaker 7: there's some frustration with the coaching staff, is that there's
Speaker 7: imbalance on how they're choosing to implement this plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's always been confusing down to pay Corp,
Speaker 1: hasn't it. I mean, what do you think is go
Speaker 1: down this week? Right right now? The sense of urgency desperation,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it depends what you're looking at, like
Speaker 1: who specifically right, I mean, I think I think the
Speaker 1: coaches feel a sense of urgency, and I think Al
Speaker 1: Golden should feel a sense of urgency. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter the players.
Speaker 7: It's it's embarrassing for him. And yeah, I think some
Speaker 7: of the coaches or I think some of the players
Speaker 7: should feel that. I mean, they were kind of getting
Speaker 7: after one another after the Bears loss, and you kind
Speaker 7: of saw the knitpack nitpicking and going back and forth.
Speaker 7: But yeah, there should be a sense of urgency because
Speaker 7: there's a lot of guys that there's spot's not guaranteed
Speaker 7: on this team next year, and if you keep putting
Speaker 7: on tape what you put on tape this year, nobody's
Speaker 7: going to be interesting.
Speaker 1: And a concern too, is when you start getting guys
Speaker 1: like Tea and Chase Brown and those guys complaining just
Speaker 1: a little bit. Now, sure, a couple losses, it's going
Speaker 1: to be in the full full and disaster in that
Speaker 1: locker room.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, that's that's the direction that they're heading.
Speaker 7: When you have two sides of the ball, they are
Speaker 7: going in polar opposite directions. And the offense is putting
Speaker 7: up thirty nine and forty two points in a game
Speaker 7: and they can't win. I mean, the offense should be
Speaker 7: upset because the defense is nothing. Is that they're not
Speaker 7: doing the little things like the bare minimum of like
Speaker 7: when you wake up in the morning, you brush your teeth,
Speaker 7: that's the bare minimum. Yes, the Bengals defense can't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the fact that they win. I try to
Speaker 1: go get some of it gives you a little bit
Speaker 1: of hope. But again, I think they're delusional in thinking, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the weird world, will be okay. Well to
Speaker 1: pull it off somehow make the playoffs, like I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: you see him beating the Steelers just again. I just
Speaker 1: they don't the way.
Speaker 7: Difficult to play in Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh's coming off a
Speaker 7: big win over Indianapolis. I'm sure they have. I think
Speaker 7: they have a little bit another tough game this week.
Speaker 7: But yeah, no, I said on our show earlier this week,
Speaker 7: I don't expect the Bengals to win another game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll get the whole AFC right now. I
Speaker 1: don't you know. It's it's such a coin toss in
Speaker 1: the ANFC overall, right now, who do you see? You
Speaker 1: can't really rule the Chiefs out. But I don't even
Speaker 1: know if the Chiefs make the playoffs at this point.
Speaker 1: I mean, New England's playing pretty well. They seem to
Speaker 1: be the Cinderella story this season. The AFC. I don't
Speaker 1: really see that dominant team right now there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm a big fan of New England and I've
Speaker 7: been high on them from the beginning of the year.
Speaker 7: I still think Buffalo just because of their quarterback and
Speaker 7: you know them, you know, having a chance to have
Speaker 7: a home playoff game. I think it's gonna be interesting
Speaker 7: coming down to them in New England. Denver has looked good.
Speaker 7: I mean, they are the number one seed right now
Speaker 7: at eight and two, but they're wildly inconsistent on offense.
Speaker 7: But they have the best pass rush in the NFL
Speaker 7: and that obviously has an impact, and that has a
Speaker 7: direct impact on Kansas City because if Kansas City can't
Speaker 7: win that division, then they have to would have to
Speaker 7: go on the road and that would be a little
Speaker 7: bit more difficult for them. So yeah, I think it's
Speaker 7: it's wide open. Indianapolis kind of got humbled a little
Speaker 7: bit last week against Pittsburgh, but everybody has been in concert.
Speaker 7: Everybody has flaws. Nobody is fully buttoned up, which makes
Speaker 7: the race really interesting.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting stretch because now it's anyone's last year.
Speaker 1: Is a couple teams like the favorites and wind up
Speaker 1: going but you know, it just can't roll Casey out there.
Speaker 1: They're completely eliminated. They will come back in yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: they get the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the reigning AFC champions for the last four years,
Speaker 7: like they get the benefit of the doay.
Speaker 1: No, but I can't believe we're halfway through the season though.
Speaker 1: I know it's so fast, it's so fast. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: talk a little e FC Cincinnati to get the crew tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And man, we've seen this movie over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. It's getting kind of old now. The match
Speaker 1: on Saturday, the wheels kind of fell off. They held
Speaker 1: their own for the first thirty minutes or so that
Speaker 1: Miles Robinson got a yellow card in the thirtieth minute,
Speaker 1: and then three minutes later Columbus scores and misplayed a
Speaker 1: little bit, and then Uya Kuba gets a red card,
Speaker 1: gets tossed or down a man and they get smoked.
Speaker 1: So one one back to Cincy tomorrow tomorrow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, comedy of errors really that let that game get
Speaker 7: away from in Columbus. They still have only won one
Speaker 7: time in Columbus since twenty nineteen, which is pretty hard
Speaker 7: to fath But I think coming back here, you know, weekend,
Speaker 7: big moment back up against the wall. F C Cincinnati
Speaker 7: has a little bit more experience in this regard. There's
Speaker 7: been a lot of turnover in Columbus, and it goes
Speaker 7: to show like how strong the backbone of that organization is.
Speaker 7: That they're right back here in this in this spot.
Speaker 7: But f C Cincinnati has been here before as well.
Speaker 7: They've got veteran guys, they've got a good defensive back
Speaker 7: line is the word I'm looking for, and they've shown
Speaker 7: the ability to score and especially at home, they're a
Speaker 7: much better team. So I think f C Cincinnati should
Speaker 7: be favored. I'm always going to lean towards Pat Noonon
Speaker 7: because I think he's one of, if not the best
Speaker 7: coaches in Major League soccer. And it's hard not to
Speaker 7: think about what would be waiting for them, which would
Speaker 7: be enter Miami and a team that they've had a
Speaker 7: ton of success against. It doesn't matter if Messi's on
Speaker 7: the field or not. F C Cincinnati has had a
Speaker 7: lot of success against them, and I think they'll be
Speaker 7: foaming at the mouth to get another shot at Miami
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 1: And you look, I mean, they got their top three guys.
Speaker 1: You got Miles Robbins, who got these guys back. There's
Speaker 1: no excuse and not in the first game was like okay,
Speaker 1: and they were just pounding them, and then finally Dankee
Speaker 1: scored that goal and it was one nil, but it
Speaker 1: was a lot closer it should have been. And then
Speaker 1: it was an absolute blowout. Last week get in Columbus.
Speaker 7: Yeah, curious to see how Pat Noonon adjust because obviously
Speaker 7: Columbus did a really good job of being ready for
Speaker 7: that attack in the second game. But I mean it
Speaker 7: was an all out assault in game one that f C.
Speaker 7: Cincinnati put on that Columbus defense, and they held for
Speaker 7: a good good points. Should have given up probably two
Speaker 7: goals in the first half. Eventually did give up that
Speaker 7: one to den K. But you know, it's a cat
Speaker 7: and mouse back and forth between Columbus and and and Cincinnati,
Speaker 7: so it should be a good one.
Speaker 1: It's always I mean, it's to see it, but you'd
Speaker 1: rather beat the hell out of them because her corble
Speaker 1: hell is real. But it's such an awesome contest. Always
Speaker 1: a Derby, the Derby, Derby, the Derby, Yes, Derby, but
Speaker 1: said Derby. It's not Derby. It's Derby, right, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they say, Derby the Derby. We love the
Speaker 1: English the Derby. Yeah, but it's fine. It's such a
Speaker 1: good rivalry.
Speaker 7: It is, and you're trying to you're still thinking back
Speaker 7: to just a couple of years ago in the Eastern
Speaker 7: Conference finals where Columbus put together that comeback to knock
Speaker 7: you off and knock you out of MLS Cup. So
Speaker 7: I'm sure that's on their minds as well. Doubt about it.
Speaker 1: All right, So what time t game to morrow?
Speaker 7: That's a good question. I have not gotten today. Seven o'clock,
Speaker 7: I believe, So I'm sorry for not knowing that. I've
Speaker 7: been preparing for tonight's show and my other show. I
Speaker 7: know it's tomorrow. It's six, six o'clock. Six, That's what
Speaker 7: I said, six o'clock, six o'clock. Yeah, six o'clock. Because
Speaker 7: I'm my schedule here for tomorrow, the eighth of November.
Speaker 7: I've got soup night at Mackenzie's. Don't know my soup night.
Speaker 7: McKenzie's my daughter. For who's McKenzie my daughter's friend? Who's
Speaker 7: on her calendar?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I've heard count you have a shared family, I guess,
Speaker 7: And she's put soup night, so that's been what kind
Speaker 7: of soup?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Can you send me the address I might show up?
Speaker 1: I got. I'm a big super guy crew, and then
Speaker 1: I got hockey at seven o'clock on Saturday, What do
Speaker 1: you got a big show today?
Speaker 7: And it's sick for Puck For the Puck. We'll talk
Speaker 7: more about FC Cincenni and Columbus Tommy g the Voice
Speaker 7: of the Orange and Blue. At two o'clock, we'll also
Speaker 7: talk Bengals and some Reds. The Reds have made some
Speaker 7: news with Charlie Goldsmith. At one o'clock, we make our
Speaker 7: weekend picks, our Friday pick them, including high school.
Speaker 1: What about?
Speaker 4: What about?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you want to talk about? Down
Speaker 1: and dirty, cold rain? That's right? What a fall from grace?
Speaker 1: You know what you're gonna get. You're gonna get five
Speaker 1: across the lips. If you keep that up, big mouth,
Speaker 1: You're a clown. You're a clown. How often do you
Speaker 1: do that to his face? I don't see him all
Speaker 1: that much because he's in his little studio, but I
Speaker 1: don't mind doing it.
Speaker 7: Right. He was just out there holding court with the
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Speaker 5: Them want to be an American?
Speaker 1: Got flown on seven hundred w aw. There's now less
Speaker 1: of us to love. Obesity rates plummeting simply because we
Speaker 1: have these GLP one injections O zempic with GOVI monjourno,
Speaker 1: and you think it's crazy. Now Trump administration announced deals
Speaker 1: with Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly is going over the
Speaker 1: costs of those drugs for many Americans, including people on Medicaid,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a lot cheaper to get healthier.
Speaker 1: Now you can lose up to thirty pounds. It's like
Speaker 1: the sweet spot right there, which would help a lot
Speaker 1: of Americans for sure. Obedially, the rates they're dropping, people
Speaker 1: are buying new clothes, people buying closes are at a
Speaker 1: record because you're not fitting into the old stuff or
Speaker 1: feeling good. So what you need to know about this
Speaker 1: if you're on the rigin guy, I couldn't afford it
Speaker 1: before and now because of the deal, now I can
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get on this stuff. He's doctor Saldre
Speaker 1: Johnny with the Men's Health Network. He's a pharmacist by trade,
Speaker 1: the guy to ask about drugs and specifically GLP ones.
Speaker 1: Doctor Sale, good morning, how are you? Yeah, Good morning, Scott.
Speaker 1: These are clinically called GLP one agonists, which is a
Speaker 1: very technical term for a man. This stuff works really
Speaker 1: really well, So let's jump into it. How exactly does
Speaker 1: this particular class of drugs work that are brought by
Speaker 1: two companies. There's I think four of them. And more
Speaker 1: are probably going to join the marketplace anytime soon. But
Speaker 1: ozempic and Manjaro are the two big competing ones. How
Speaker 1: do they work in your body?
Speaker 4: What do they do ammigulity as well? Well? As you said,
Speaker 4: they suppress appetite, but they also have other activities, and
Speaker 4: we're just learning more and more and more about just
Speaker 4: what the long and the broad implications of these medications
Speaker 4: are on overall body physiology. So they do decrease the
Speaker 4: amount of clebohydrates that are absorbed. They make you feel
Speaker 4: fuller faster. They also decrease gas protecting so you feel
Speaker 4: for for longer and that helps you suppress appetite. We're
Speaker 4: also finding that these medicines and it's not quite well understood.
Speaker 4: That may be a surprise to some in your audience,
Speaker 4: but there are still many things about many commonly used
Speaker 4: medicines that we're still learning about, and that's just the
Speaker 4: science of medication. They also do things, For example, they
Speaker 4: help protect the kidneys from renal failure, chronic kiding disease,
Speaker 4: and there's other agents that we all see on TDB
Speaker 4: advertised for menagement, chronic incites. They're in the same sort
Speaker 4: of class of family. We're also finding secondary effects of
Speaker 4: these medications, maybe in fat deposition or how fat is
Speaker 4: redistributed throughout the body. So there are a lot of
Speaker 4: things that we're learning. I do want to just spell
Speaker 4: one thing. There isn't a brand new medications. These STLP
Speaker 4: and GOP medications have been used in the management diabetes
Speaker 4: type two diabetes, Doban said, it will used to be
Speaker 4: called for many, many, many years. So what we're actually
Speaker 4: doing now is where and we saw weight loss in
Speaker 4: diabetic patients and it was an absolutely fantastically important parameter
Speaker 4: that we used to encourage patients to stay on their
Speaker 4: medications because the patients felt better, lost weight, looked better,
Speaker 4: had more energy. And it wasn't just the management to
Speaker 4: their googos, it was also the weight loss just exploiting
Speaker 4: this well well known side effect of the medication the manager.
Speaker 4: A rather terrible problem in the American public and involve
Speaker 4: countries ro all over the world is obesity.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another what you and your professional called off label
Speaker 1: using it's intended for one thing and they find out
Speaker 1: that the side effects or there's added benefit for something
Speaker 1: else and it goes in an entirely different direction. And that
Speaker 1: is the I guess the miracle of modern medicine and
Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals for sure. And so we see these drugs mimic
Speaker 1: the action of a hormone and you produce more insulin
Speaker 1: and your digestive system, you eat less and therefore the
Speaker 1: weight starts to come off too. Originally prescribed for diabetes,
Speaker 1: as you just said too. One of the issues though,
Speaker 1: is that we may be over medicalizing this is what
Speaker 1: you call this, that that structurally people are just writing
Speaker 1: scripts or this and it may not be indicated for
Speaker 1: that particular disease. Who should be on it, who shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on it?
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's a huge judgment called. Certainly, I think
Speaker 4: we can all agree that obesity and there's a strict
Speaker 4: medical definition of ABC. That's just staatee of time for many,
Speaker 4: many decades, with body weights over thirty two, body masks
Speaker 4: over thirty two, those individuals should be on this medication
Speaker 4: and it can really make a huge difference in every
Speaker 4: aspect of their life. Then you have individuals who are overweight.
Speaker 4: Probably twenty to thirty percent of those individuals who are
Speaker 4: need to medication now are just playing overweight. That's a
Speaker 4: judgment call. When having and carrying too much weight for
Speaker 4: a long periods of times, affecting gait, joints, ability to
Speaker 4: enjoy life, breathing, other blood pressure, other metabolic functions. Then
Speaker 4: there is an important considerations they can do the fact
Speaker 4: that you know sure bringing down the weight using medication
Speaker 4: may be an appropriate thing to do. In a third
Speaker 4: category are the ones I call sort of the vanity set,
Speaker 4: where use it to lose maybe five pounds so you
Speaker 4: can look a little better in your swimsuit, or maybe
Speaker 4: you're going out and you're getting ready for prom or
Speaker 4: wedding or some other social event and you want to
Speaker 4: lose a little bit of weight. I think that that
Speaker 4: is probably not a particularly good use of the medication,
Speaker 4: regardless of whether there is a supply issue or not.
Speaker 4: You did bring up a supply issue earlier on, and
Speaker 4: I think that that's going to correct over the next
Speaker 4: two years. Literally one of the main players in this field,
Speaker 4: with Majarro and other products following, is just invested five
Speaker 4: billion with a big dollars in new plants to help
Speaker 4: develop manufacturing techniques, and that will always bring down the
Speaker 4: costs of the medication over the next several years. So
Speaker 4: I think supply is not really the issue. He issue
Speaker 4: was the ethics of how to better manage obesity.
Speaker 1: Doctor Saladeer Johnny for the Men's Health Network is a
Speaker 1: doctor pharmacy, and we're talking about the Trump administration now
Speaker 1: opening the floodgates for GLP ones. That's the weight loss rug,
Speaker 1: the manjuros, those kind of drugs will go vian ozempic
Speaker 1: to help people whose weight and now it's going to
Speaker 1: be available on Medicare, Medicaid and people are going to
Speaker 1: be able to drop up to about thirty pounds to
Speaker 1: what this is injectable, right, and so it's like anything,
Speaker 1: you know, when this first came out on the scene
Speaker 1: a few years ago, it was very expensive, like one
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month. And now we have pills developed,
Speaker 1: we have online pharmacies that are dispensing this as well,
Speaker 1: and now that the government's evolve, we're going to see
Speaker 1: the price drop even more because at one time this
Speaker 1: was really really cost for I like, like any new technology.
Speaker 4: Yes that is true. Well I don't know if people
Speaker 4: are paying that, but someone is paying now your house
Speaker 4: care plan, which is why I think, you know, the
Speaker 4: ethics of managing obesity is clear where you have those
Speaker 4: people with huge body mass indexes. But there isn't actually
Speaker 4: a pill. Just one quick point, get there is an
Speaker 4: oral form with all the out there, it works. It
Speaker 4: works quite well for lots and lots of folks. It's
Speaker 4: probably not the most effective or efficacious, but it certainly
Speaker 4: works for many many people. And there are, as you
Speaker 4: said correctly, several oral agents. The problem is that the
Speaker 4: manufacturing techniques to make this medication. Because it's a protein,
Speaker 4: it's a pep gide, it's something that's not generally absorbable
Speaker 4: from the gastro intestinal system. You have to do all
Speaker 4: sorts of pharmaceutical tricks to make it absorbable into the system.
Speaker 4: Because there are some folks who still are needle averse.
Speaker 4: There are other things to consider about this. To Scott,
Speaker 4: I think we have seen every generation has their quote
Speaker 4: unquote mirror drug. We've seen it with oral contraception, as
Speaker 4: we've seen it with cholesterol medications. We've seen it with antidepressants.
Speaker 4: We've seen it with fillers for wrinkles, you know, for
Speaker 4: cosmetic purposes. We've seen it over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: But they all play out to be have one underlying
Speaker 4: precept that makes for good clinical care, which is you
Speaker 4: just can't take the drug, you probably have to change
Speaker 4: some of the things in your life to make that
Speaker 4: drug really work. The first lesson I learned in plumacology
Speaker 4: way back when in the sixties is that drugs rarely
Speaker 4: can do anything that the body can't do itself, and
Speaker 4: the body giesel. So so what we're seeing also is
Speaker 4: the downside of these medications, where you have an over
Speaker 4: reliance on a technology to do something that essentially requires
Speaker 4: you as a person to do, which has changed your lifestyle,
Speaker 4: your nutrition, your exercise habits so that you have it
Speaker 4: along and what we're seeing, along with some of the
Speaker 4: other not particularly dangerous side effects, and there are some
Speaker 4: dangerous side effects. What we're seeing also that people who
Speaker 4: go off these medications every year are gaining back the
Speaker 4: weight to become very very frustrated. They have to go
Speaker 4: back into all the clothes that they put on the side,
Speaker 4: uh have and they're very frustrated and in some cases,
Speaker 4: uh in some cases, and of course that the weight
Speaker 4: cane is even more because the eating habits have evolved.
Speaker 4: So I think you know, as with most medications for
Speaker 4: diabetes or high blood pressure, or you know cholesterol, you
Speaker 4: have to change and get into a more holistic management
Speaker 4: of your own personal care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that makes sense. But I also think there's
Speaker 1: a stigma. I think a lot of people see this
Speaker 1: as cheating. Well, you know, it's you, you're taking a
Speaker 1: hard way out, and so there's a stigma. I think
Speaker 1: with even being on the drug. You want to inject
Speaker 1: yourself with this crap, and and what the long term
Speaker 1: effects and oh my god, why don't you just quit eating?
Speaker 1: You know, that's true in a lot of cases. I
Speaker 1: think if you're looking to lose you know, five or
Speaker 1: ten pounds, and who isn't it's more of a vanity thing.
Speaker 1: But there are people who are as you know, clinically
Speaker 1: obese that have tried a lifetime of diets and fads
Speaker 1: and sticking with it, and then you know, there's only
Speaker 1: so long you can restrict calories and exercise, and you know,
Speaker 1: the needle doesn't move that much. And I know people
Speaker 1: in my family, for example, same thing. It's like they
Speaker 1: really eat small portions and still can't manage to lose
Speaker 1: the weight, especially women after childbirth, because your body changes.
Speaker 1: As a physiology thing going on there, This seems to
Speaker 1: be a drug to help them get where they want
Speaker 1: to be, and it's better for your body and your
Speaker 1: mind and your soul. And so therefore, I think for
Speaker 1: folks like that who have tried everything and it's just
Speaker 1: not working and have restricted their calories with very to
Speaker 1: little effect, this is a godsend for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you bring up a very important point which weighs
Speaker 4: into this whole matter of the ethics of how you
Speaker 4: manage obesity or.
Speaker 5: Just overweight conditions.
Speaker 4: As we learn more and more and more about the condition,
Speaker 4: everything points to is that in many individuals, not just
Speaker 4: a small percentage of individuals, but many individuals who have
Speaker 4: had higher than average or higher than appropriate weight levels
Speaker 4: for the majority of their lives. Since there we're in
Speaker 4: their teens, it's physiologic, not just a lazy individual's bad habits.
Speaker 4: That there's a physiological reason why these things happen. We
Speaker 4: see that in other parts of medicine there is physiologically
Speaker 4: induced or hereditarily induced hypercholesterolmia. That's not a large population,
Speaker 4: but it exists. We see it. Certainly, diabetes is an
Speaker 4: inborn error of metabolism that's physiologically inherited. You just can't
Speaker 4: beat it. It's there, it's what it is. You have
Speaker 4: to deal with it. We see it in high blood pressure,
Speaker 4: we see it in hormone levelsroid levels. So there are many,
Speaker 4: many areas in natient care where we see the fact
Speaker 4: that it's not just allowsy lifestyle or a poor lifestylewer
Speaker 4: poor choices. There are actual physiological and psychological reasons why
Speaker 4: this happens. And in some cases it's also because of
Speaker 4: what we call food deserts. Access to good, nutritious food
Speaker 4: is limited for various reasons, economically or sociologically, So there
Speaker 4: are there As with most things, it's not a simple acid.
Speaker 4: So to deny those individuals management of weight with all
Speaker 4: of the benefits in terms of movement disorders, homstritis, lifestyle,
Speaker 4: encouragement of exercise, to deny them the management of those
Speaker 4: inborn errors of metabolism if you will, because you have
Speaker 4: a mindset that is, because you're lazy. I think it's
Speaker 4: inappropriate and hopefully we'll become out moted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no matter how hard you try, it's impossible. It see,
Speaker 1: it is a weakness, and just well restrict your calori
Speaker 1: as well. If your metabolism's broken, I mean, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that too. I don't know, like a cancer patient
Speaker 1: or somebody in a wheelchair, but we do it to
Speaker 1: obese people all the time. What are the long term
Speaker 1: consequences that we think? This has been prescribed a long time,
Speaker 1: as you said, for diabetics, and now we're seeing a
Speaker 1: use off label for obesity. But the concern is adverse
Speaker 1: side effects. I know self harm was an issue here
Speaker 1: as well. But what are we seeing and what do
Speaker 1: you think is going to happen over the long term
Speaker 1: for long term passions, especially now with Trump working a
Speaker 1: deal out to lower the prices and get it on medicare.
Speaker 4: Well, that is a huge one hundred and fifty billion
Speaker 4: dollar question.
Speaker 5: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: You've got the answers. You got all the answers.
Speaker 4: Well, my crystal ball was a little foggy today, but
Speaker 4: on this but I do think one thing that I've
Speaker 4: learned over the decades of doing this is that there's
Speaker 4: something you're going to get your specially or October surprised
Speaker 4: when you see the use of medication being going through
Speaker 4: these huge numbers and huge percentage of populations, things that
Speaker 4: you just didn't expect. You're going to see it because
Speaker 4: that one half of one percent of the side effect
Speaker 4: that you didn't see in fifty thousand or five hundred
Speaker 4: thousand or five million people is going to show up
Speaker 4: when you go into you know, five billion people, which
Speaker 4: is possible. So I don't know what the FUSHA holds.
Speaker 4: What we're seeing now are other sorts of things. Some
Speaker 4: of them are dangerous, such as paralytic problems with the
Speaker 4: guestwer intestinal system is severe cramping, terrible nausea, on remitting nausea,
Speaker 4: problems with kidneys, and the development of other sort of
Speaker 4: pancreatic sort of problems. We already know that they can't
Speaker 4: have certain adverse effects, and individuals who have a history
Speaker 4: of a familial family history of thyroid type cancers and diseases.
Speaker 4: We're also seeing shifts in how body fat is distributed,
Speaker 4: and it's the so called ozembic face. You know that
Speaker 4: the tag that particular drug is a radium where the
Speaker 4: fat is redistributed in ways that make for an odd
Speaker 4: looking or a change in facial contours that's manageable. We're
Speaker 4: also seeing some people are worried about loss of muscle mass,
Speaker 4: which is not necessarily a good thing, which is why,
Speaker 4: as you mentioned earlier on food companies to respond to
Speaker 4: the market changes. They're coming up with products that have
Speaker 4: higher concentrations of protein to help address some of the
Speaker 4: skeletal muscle losses that we're seeing with the medications. Beyond that, though,
Speaker 4: these are relatively safe medications, and that's a long list,
Speaker 4: so you know, I don't mean to be trivial about it,
Speaker 4: but these are relatively safe medications. But we just don't
Speaker 4: know what happens when you put it in five billion
Speaker 4: people for long periods of time. We'll have to see.
Speaker 4: And that's the that's the art and the science of
Speaker 4: medicine y monitoring these things over a long period of
Speaker 4: time and making important decisions to change how you do things.
Speaker 4: Will you learn more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just come out of another drug to fix
Speaker 1: whatever this causes. And so it goes Uh Doctor Salvator
Speaker 1: geor Johnny doctor Pharmacy, the Men's Health Network, thanks again
Speaker 1: so much for the time of the insight. Always appreciate
Speaker 1: your stuff.
Speaker 4: My pleasure.
Speaker 1: Ye out that the Trump adminstration struck a deal with
Speaker 1: the manufacturers. We see the price drop even more. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be more accessible, more people on it than Medicare
Speaker 1: is involved, so it's even more and more people, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a flood of thinner people. But you
Speaker 1: wonder long term effects and how this is going to
Speaker 1: change things always happens right the pebble and the pond thing.
Speaker 1: It's those ripples way out near the edges of the
Speaker 1: pond as opposed to the epicenter of it. You always
Speaker 1: see that later on. Who knows we'll find out, but
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Speaker 1: early Thanksgiving with the fam out on the East coast.
Speaker 1: So she has a very interesting role in Hollywood. If
Speaker 1: you like the sex scenes in movies, film and shows.
Speaker 1: She is behind all that stuff. What that's her job
Speaker 1: to get people to hook up on camera. Her name
Speaker 1: is Brocanney. Don't the show next on this Friday morning,
Speaker 1: Scot's loan seven hundred WLWT Cincinnati plum Stretch here with
Speaker 1: Sloani on seven hundred w well w Alli off day.
Speaker 1: Kind of last one's position. She's got like a pickle
Speaker 1: ball because she does the American Pickleball Tour, whatever that is. Professional,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's something bourbon. She has a cool job.
Speaker 1: Bourbon and pickleball. That's a cool job, he thinks. Man,
Speaker 1: I got a cool sloona. You got a great job.
Speaker 1: You sit there and talk for three hours. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty good job. I'll be honest with you. But there
Speaker 1: are jobs out there. You look over your shoulder, go, well,
Speaker 1: that seems like a cool job. Here's one for you.
Speaker 1: Intimacy coordinator. What do you think that is? Intimacy coordinator. So,
Speaker 1: if you've ever a movie or shell whatever it is,
Speaker 1: or even theater for that matter, and you wonder how
Speaker 1: they do the sex scenes, this is the lady who
Speaker 1: orchestrates and choreographs the sex scenes. An intimacy coordinator. Name
Speaker 1: is Brook Haney Broke. Welcome to show.
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 9: I'm good? Thanks so much for having me, Scott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, appreciate it. How in the hell do you when
Speaker 1: you're selling this to your folks and go, here's what
Speaker 1: I want to do with my life to be able
Speaker 1: to have sex and movies. What about that?
Speaker 5: Mom and dad?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, depending on your parents, they are either
Speaker 9: thrilled for you or they're really not. But I try
Speaker 9: and emphasize my parents are actually incredibly conservative. I try
Speaker 9: to empathize with them the safety part of the job
Speaker 9: that I'm helping actors have space to articulate their boundaries
Speaker 9: and consent so that folks aren't doing anything they don't
Speaker 9: want to do.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 9: And then with my friends I talk about the choreography.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure that it's NonStop questions a brook about this,
Speaker 1: that and the other thing. I know, it's like, well
Speaker 1: what about this person? Did you do this? And how
Speaker 1: does this work? And it really is fascinating. And there's
Speaker 1: how many intimacy coordinators are there in Hollywood?
Speaker 9: You know, that's a good question, And I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 9: There's a little less than one hundred on the SAG
Speaker 9: after a registry, but there are plenty of qualified folks
Speaker 9: that aren't working on the SAG registry. But I would
Speaker 9: guess maybe less than three hundred that are like working regularly,
Speaker 9: but I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: That's a cool job. So you know, we see this
Speaker 1: and go, oh wow, they're gonna they're gonna have some
Speaker 1: I you know, as a guy, go wow, I may
Speaker 1: see boobs. This is pretty good. You know, A fourteen
Speaker 1: year old kid or girls. I'm sure the opposite. But
Speaker 1: I guess what you do is if I looked at
Speaker 1: it from a scientific standpoint as an art I guess
Speaker 1: you're just you're you're like a sexual choreographer or is
Speaker 1: that diminishing what you do?
Speaker 9: No, that is not. That is a very very accurate
Speaker 9: description of it. It's about making something fake look real
Speaker 9: on camera, and it's you know, for the actors and
Speaker 9: crew and everyone, it's sometimes the least sexy moments of
Speaker 9: acting because it's very technical, but hopefully it looks if
Speaker 9: the goal is for it to look sexy, hopefully it
Speaker 9: looks really sexy.
Speaker 1: On screen, right right, Yeah. And it's such a fascinating
Speaker 1: description too, because is it like a I don't like
Speaker 1: a fight scene or an action scene and everything had,
Speaker 1: you know, with a fight scene or stuff blowing up
Speaker 1: in a Tom Cruise movie. You're talking about, well, pyrotechnics
Speaker 1: and people can get hurt, blind death, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Nobody's really dying having fake sex on camera, but still
Speaker 1: there's got to be some sort of you block everything out,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 9: That's actually a really great comparison. I have a book
Speaker 9: that I just came out called The Intimacy Coordinator's guide
Speaker 9: book Specialties for Stage and Screen, and one of the
Speaker 9: first chapters is several fight directors talking about the difference
Speaker 9: between fight and intimacy and the similarities. And these are
Speaker 9: folks that have they do both, try remos moderate the discussion,
Speaker 9: and it's actually very very similar similar in that you
Speaker 9: have to choreographic moment by moment. You have to make
Speaker 9: sure you know, nothing actually goes where it's not supposed to.
Speaker 9: You know, you don't want to to actually hit a
Speaker 9: face very often, so I.
Speaker 1: Kind of make it on screen and there's grabbing and
Speaker 1: groping and all that other stuff. It's like it's all
Speaker 1: laid out. Every move is is dictated like a dancer.
Speaker 9: The most are yeah, you know, I'll ask an actor
Speaker 9: what their boundaries are, okay, and then we'll work within
Speaker 9: those boundaries. And some actors want every single moment choreographed
Speaker 9: to the tee, like beat by beat, and some actors
Speaker 9: would more like an outline, like we're going to go
Speaker 9: from here to here to hear and these are the
Speaker 9: places that are on limits. But let's talk about the
Speaker 9: story and how we tell the story in a way
Speaker 9: that's compelling. And they want a little more freedom. But yeah,
Speaker 9: for the most part, it is moment by moment blocked
Speaker 9: out so that it tells that story interesting.
Speaker 1: Brooke Haney is a intimacy coordinator. She's the person on
Speaker 1: a movie set or in theater. You do this theater too,
Speaker 1: I suppose, or film who coordinates the sex scenes, much
Speaker 1: like a fight scene or a action scene. It's all choreographed,
Speaker 1: all right. The biggest question I'm sure you get all
Speaker 1: the time is, all right, so you guy and a
Speaker 1: girl are hooking up and fake hooking up here, what
Speaker 1: do you do about the obvious thing that guys have
Speaker 1: that women don't. What do you do about the junk?
Speaker 1: If you know, if the if little all of us
Speaker 1: and the twins come out to say, hi, how do
Speaker 1: you control that? Do you tape it down? What goes
Speaker 1: on there? What goes on down there?
Speaker 9: You know? I get that question actually a lot from
Speaker 9: actors in their private meetings. What happens if this happens?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 9: And I tell them, you know, hey, just tell me
Speaker 9: you're feeling a little cold, and then I'll say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 9: it is Jillian. Here, let's do some jumping jack to
Speaker 9: warm ourselves up. And that just sends the blood somewhere
Speaker 9: else and then we're good to go.
Speaker 1: So I thought there'd be some sort of prosthetic or device,
Speaker 1: or there'd be like some sort of harness or rigging
Speaker 1: going on there that they bring you know, those guys
Speaker 1: into to strap stuff down. Not at all, got it?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean all of those things exist also, but
Speaker 9: not necessarily specifically for that purpose. If we have a prosthetic,
Speaker 9: that's because we're going to actually see genitalia and either
Speaker 9: the actor doesn't want to use theirs or if it's erect,
Speaker 9: for an example, we can't show an actual erect giness
Speaker 9: on Can I say that on radio? I did on screen?
Speaker 9: So it has to be a prosthetic. Yeah, and then
Speaker 9: there are barriers that go between actors if we're simulating sex,
Speaker 9: so and that is meant to reduce sensation and prevent
Speaker 9: the exchange of fluids. But but yeah, that's only if
Speaker 9: we're simulating sex. If it's just like a bunch of
Speaker 9: making out which someone could get aroused from, there wouldn't
Speaker 9: necessarily be anything taping anything down.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean both parties know that you're a
Speaker 1: professional in this regard to as good as it looks,
Speaker 1: You're still doing a job and you may not be
Speaker 1: into that person, but it's what the job require. So
Speaker 1: I totally understand that. I think we tend to probably
Speaker 1: look at that more peering interests. We're like, it's a
Speaker 1: lot more sexy than it is, and it's probably with
Speaker 1: the lights and cameras around and a bunch of people
Speaker 1: like yourself barking at them, probably not sexy at all.
Speaker 9: I mean, that's exactly what I was about to say,
Speaker 9: is no one, it's very rare to get super aroused
Speaker 9: when there's a bunch of people looking at you with
Speaker 9: microphones in your face, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're little inches away from what it is you're portraying.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, that's nothing's going on here. So in
Speaker 1: that regard, is the couples, either heterosexual or homosexual, are
Speaker 1: in the act of doing this, and you've got cameras
Speaker 1: and lighting and all sorts of people behind the scenes
Speaker 1: that you don't see on camera. Obviously, they are not
Speaker 1: feeling intimate, and I'm sure how do you are There
Speaker 1: lines that are drawn here though too when it comes
Speaker 1: to that, I mean, have you ever heard of a
Speaker 1: story where people actually have real sex on camera and said,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fine with it. I wanted to get
Speaker 1: this right and I want to be authentic, and therefore
Speaker 1: let's just have sex. Is that Has that ever happen?
Speaker 9: You know what? Probably I don't know of an example,
Speaker 9: but that's not okay. In a sag after film, we're
Speaker 9: literally not allowed to do that. And one of the
Speaker 9: things I would say is, first of all, getting it
Speaker 9: right and making it look right doesn't necessarily mean really
Speaker 9: doing it. There are lots of things that don't look
Speaker 9: good on camera that you that might feel really good.
Speaker 9: Often I'm telling actors like, I know, I know you
Speaker 9: think it doesn't look right, but I promise it looks
Speaker 9: right on camera. Yeah, So it really is about the
Speaker 9: saking it part of.
Speaker 1: It broke Katie's on the show. Brook is a intimacy
Speaker 1: coordinator in Hollywood, and so she is the person in
Speaker 1: charge of choreographing these sex scenes. And one of the
Speaker 1: cool jobs, probably one of the coolest jobs in the world,
Speaker 1: is a job actually Brooke cooler than it sounds, and
Speaker 1: it actually is.
Speaker 9: It is literally the coolest job in the whole world.
Speaker 9: So lucky to have it.
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping you'd say that, no, it sucks.
Speaker 1: I want to go work at fast food. That's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to. No one's ever said that, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's such an interesting thing because we all
Speaker 1: see it and we all think of that when we're
Speaker 1: watching the movies or shows or whatever going how do
Speaker 1: they how are they actually doing this? I remember reading
Speaker 1: an interview I think it was with Marco Robbie, who
Speaker 1: at the time was starting in Wolf of Wall Street,
Speaker 1: was a very sexually based movie, and she is just
Speaker 1: a gorgeous woman and she had a problem is beautiful?
Speaker 1: Its just having self awareness and self esteem issues thinking
Speaker 1: she wasn't attractive enough to be naked on camera. That
Speaker 1: I think was its Corsezy that did the movie. I
Speaker 1: forget who did the movie, but literally had to hold
Speaker 1: her hand and talk her through those scenes because she
Speaker 1: felt so exposed and not worthy of that kind of
Speaker 1: attention on how she looked that process behind the scene.
Speaker 1: Is it tougher for men or women? And how much
Speaker 1: coaching is involved in getting something to do something that's
Speaker 1: outside of their comfort zone like that?
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, there are a lot of times that
Speaker 9: actors want to do a thing but don't feel comfortable,
Speaker 9: Like there's a misconception that my job is to make
Speaker 9: them feel comfortable. It's really not. It's to make them
Speaker 9: feel empowered to consent. But then once they have consented,
Speaker 9: if they need support in a way. It might be
Speaker 9: that they need to see the angle on the monitor
Speaker 9: to see how they look, or it might be that
Speaker 9: they need me to come tell them after each take
Speaker 9: like it looks really compelling, and you know that isn't.
Speaker 9: I don't think it's gender specific. I think there is
Speaker 9: so much pressure in our culture to look a certain way,
Speaker 9: to be a certain way, to be beautiful enough, sexy enough,
Speaker 9: all of those things, and it can be a really overwhelming,
Speaker 9: vulnerable thing, and then you're doing it at work. So
Speaker 9: I think it's really admirable of Margo Floor being public
Speaker 9: about that because it really is an uncomfortable thing that
Speaker 9: folks go through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think that, And I think it's just
Speaker 1: our persvasive our culture is with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Is that if someone looks like Margot Robbie and she
Speaker 1: has some self consciousness elements as to her being naked
Speaker 1: in a film, I think that's a sad indictment of society.
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, what about actors, the other extreme overweight actors.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure there's some over here I don't
Speaker 1: want to take their shirt off, let alone show maybe
Speaker 1: some private parts or close to it anyway. And yet
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other actors out there have no problems
Speaker 1: showing like a guy showing his ass. So it's up
Speaker 1: to the actor, obviously, and what they want to do.
Speaker 1: And is your job convincing them that it's going to
Speaker 1: be okay or you just kind of cater to their
Speaker 1: whims and their desires.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm really glad you bring up fat actor
Speaker 9: because I think it's actually a misconception that everyone has
Speaker 9: the same issues with their body. There's a chapter in
Speaker 9: the book on working with fat Actors that I wrote
Speaker 9: with Katie Blouse, and one of the things we talked
Speaker 9: about is not assuming someone's relationship to their body. So
Speaker 9: one of the things we do is you just never
Speaker 9: comment on someone's body, positive or negative. So if I
Speaker 9: had been working with Margaret Robbie and she's having feelings
Speaker 9: about how her body looks, that's not the thing I'm
Speaker 9: going to talk to her about. I'm going to talk
Speaker 9: to her about her work. It's like, Ooh, that scene
Speaker 9: looked really good. I think the more diversity of body
Speaker 9: type we can get on camera, clothes or unclothed, the
Speaker 9: better it is for our culture, because bodies are beautiful,
Speaker 9: however they look. We've just decided to label things in
Speaker 9: certain ways. But I don't know I can find beauty
Speaker 9: in everything. I really can't.
Speaker 1: You're much better person than I am, a Brook Katy
Speaker 1: because I shower with my clothes on. I don't want
Speaker 1: to see myself at all even think of that. So Brooke,
Speaker 1: as far as you know, this is the more serious
Speaker 1: element here too, because everyone has a story, right, and
Speaker 1: there's a people who have survived sexual violence and in
Speaker 1: predatory behavior, probably in Hollywood. I mean, you know, look
Speaker 1: at the stories that have come out with Harvey Weinstein,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Does that often pop up in
Speaker 1: the course of your.
Speaker 9: Work, Yeah, it does. I mean. Part of the reason
Speaker 9: that studios are now willing to pay for intimacy coordinators
Speaker 9: is because of the Me too movement, and as a result,
Speaker 9: people are more comfortable I think saying like oh, hey,
Speaker 9: I'm a little nervous about this thing that might trigger me,
Speaker 9: or this job is going to be more difficult. There's
Speaker 9: a few chapters in the book about I write one
Speaker 9: on working on scenes of trauma, and in the North
Speaker 9: of writes on working on scenes of sexual assault. And
Speaker 9: you do need to have extra precautions in place for
Speaker 9: those scenes. Whether someone's experienced sexual assault or not. I mean,
Speaker 9: you don't know who on crewe have a history with
Speaker 9: what you're dealing with, so there are things we do
Speaker 9: to be extra sensitive in those scenes. Because also an
Speaker 9: actor's body, for example, if you put a body in
Speaker 9: a position, even if the actor's mind is like, this
Speaker 9: is stake, this is totally fake. You're putting their body
Speaker 9: in that position of fear or terror and the body
Speaker 9: doesn't know you're pretending, gotcha. So you have to put
Speaker 9: things in place to help protect the actors' mental health.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, Brook Haney. What works have you done. I
Speaker 1: saved this for the end because I didn't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of taint the interview at it, but
Speaker 1: that we might be familiar with some of the stuff
Speaker 1: that you've coordinated.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've worked on Harlem on Amazon's Time East New
Speaker 9: York on CBS Elsbeth, which is playing right now. On ACBS.
Speaker 9: I'm working on Mayor of Kingstown. The Best Man the
Speaker 9: Final Chapters was a really fun project that I worked
Speaker 9: on with Aya Dunn, who's actually coming to Cincinnati. She
Speaker 9: wrote the chapter on Black American intimacy in the book,
Speaker 9: and she's coming to Cincinnati to work on Lauren Benderson's
Speaker 9: new play at Cincinnati Shakes early next year. So if
Speaker 9: you want to see a really good intimacy coordinator's work,
Speaker 9: check that out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you look at it it works like
Speaker 1: a theater and film and have a new appreciation for
Speaker 1: what it is you do too. You mentioned Mayor Kingstown
Speaker 1: one of my favorite all time jams. I think that
Speaker 1: Jeremy Runner was fantastic in that dark episode. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to rewalk Man the next season watch it
Speaker 1: again to look for your work there too as well.
Speaker 1: So Brooke Henney the Intimacy Coordinator's Guidebook, especially for stage
Speaker 1: and screen, that is a back of the room kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know if that's just generally reading
Speaker 1: for someone who's not in the trade. Would that be
Speaker 1: something that someone to go, I'm interested in this topic,
Speaker 1: or is it just simply two back a house or.
Speaker 9: That it's I would say the primary audiences for sure,
Speaker 9: back of house people doing the work, but I also
Speaker 9: include interviews with actors and directors who've worked with Intimacy Court.
Speaker 9: So I think if you're a real film buff, it
Speaker 9: might be as your alley.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, cool. I think that's really neat and it's
Speaker 1: one of those jobs that's hitten in plain view, if
Speaker 1: you'll Brook Haney, thanks so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I always love learning about cool stuff
Speaker 1: like this that you would that no one ever talks about.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad you did.
Speaker 9: Thanks so much for having me, Scott. I hope you
Speaker 9: have a great day.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, and enjoy your weekend. She pinched hitting
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Speaker 1: hopefully soon for you and five o'clock whatever time it
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