WEBVTT - 11-7-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.480 You don't want to be an American. Scott flown on 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:05.240 seven hundred. Will do what you need to know this 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.360 morning is important if you're gonna got to have a 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:09.119 good time this weekend or any time for that matter, 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.079 Encourage you not to drink and drive or smoke and 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.280 drive because it's just it's not worth it. But they're 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.000 changing the OVI laws, at least they want to. It's 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:22.040 Ohio Senate Bill fifty five, and that would definitely I'm 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:23.320 looking at this going, Matt. I got a lot of 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.239 issues with it. Namely, it's not the smoking and the 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.360 edibles and the stuff with THHC and now especially with 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.960 the CBD of SAYH slash THHD and fused beverages that 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:34.960 are extremely popular right now you can get in bars 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.080 at the General Assembly just figured out how to do that. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.519 Now you're gonna get a whole bunch of people who 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:44.199 may enjoy those beverages that wind up getting stopped and 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:48.199 arrested and charged well after they consume that beverage, like 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.520 days later on that jeff Meadows from the Law Metals 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:52.960 Law Firm, making sense of it. Jeffrey, how's life great? 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.800 Everything is fine? I could be driving right now, like, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.600 I think you're on your way to Batavia. You said, 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.160 so this time a year with the fall, well with 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.520 the leaves, and our looks good, beautiful, absolutely gorgeous, nice 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:06.479 little drive. So the bill pass the Ohio Senate unanimously. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.319 It's in the House Judiciary Committee, and that looks like 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.720 it's going to move forward. So the big question a 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.959 while with them, because you're listening this going, well, maybe I, 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.679 you know, like to go out and have a few 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.200 drinks or smoke or whatever it is. Can you explain 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:19.959 like what the problems they're trying to fix. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:28.120 So there's two issues in under Ohio viilaw as it 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:35.040 relates to marijuana and marijuana by products. When we consume 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:39.960 a marijuana product, the chemical compound that gets us high 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:44.600 makes this happy, hungry, sleepy, whatever is delta nine THCHC 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:49.480 or what's commonly referred to as THHC. THHC then breaks 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.880 down into something called hydroxy THCHC, which is the first 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:59.640 past metabolite that further breaks down into something called carboxy THHC. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:06.360 And under the current law, it's there is a per 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:11.480 se limit for metabolites and for actual THC. And when 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.120 I say a per se limit. Most people are familiar 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.720 with alcohol, it's point oh eight. If you're a point 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.040 oh eight or higher, you're guilty. It doesn't matter whether 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.800 you're buzzed or hammered or not. Same thing with marijuana. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.080 Problem with this, especially as it relates to the metabolites, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.480 is CARBOXYPHC. We currently have a limit of thirty five 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:38.919 nanograms in urine, and it doesn't matter if there's thirty 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.880 five nanograms of carboxy in your urine or thirty five million. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:47.720 It has zero psychoactive properties. What that means is it 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.919 doesn't affect your ability to do anything. It doesn't make god, 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.480 it doesn't make you hungry, doesn't make you tired. It 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.880 doesn't affect your ability to stand, walk, talk, or most 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.000 importantly drive. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.720 So we've had this loss for. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.280 A number of years now, and anyone even prior to 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:10.320 the legalization of recreational marijuana. If you went to Las 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.800 Vegas and you got highs a kite and legally in 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.560 Las Vegas under Las Vegas ball not Petereral law. Course, 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.560 when you fly home and get in your car and 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:26.079 cross over the river into Ohio, you're guilty because this 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:32.200 carboxy THC metabolite is stored in your fat cells, and 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.360 it's going to be there's gonna be a different retention 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:36.000 period forever. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.560 Got so instead of kind of bringing around with all 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.040 the numbers and that, Jeff Metters, what you're saying is is, basically, 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.760 this would be like, we know that the alcohol is 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.560 a component with beer or wine or whiskey that gets 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:52.200 you drunk. Alcohol obviously evaporates quickly, you metabolize it fairly 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.040 quickly compared to this and once it's gone to sit 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.080 side of your system, but there could be some components 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.240 in that wine or beer whiskey that remain in your 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.600 body because it's a nutrient for lack of a better term, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.400 and it's going to hang around so your body digest 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.320 I'd be like testing for those components of it. 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:06.480 Right. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.200 It'd be like the apple flavor in I don't know, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.160 Crown Royal, for example, hangs around longer than the alcohol does. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:13.800 Be Okay, we got you because you've got too much 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.799 apple in your system. Same thing here. It's a component 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.800 that doesn't get you high, but it's an after effect 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.359 and artifact from the original product. So you know, it 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:25.440 could be two days, three days, which is why when 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.640 you have a drug test, you know, okay, well I 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.480 can't smoke for thirty days because it takes that long 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.360 for those metabolites to get out of your system. You're 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.440 not high in day twenty nine, but the metabolites are 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:34.919 still there. 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:40.000 Correct, And actually alcohol Scott has a metabolite. It's called 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.400 apple gluecroon EI or ETG. It hangs around in your 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.360 body for up to eighty hours. And some probation departments, 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.080 who you know, they do urine test for ETG to 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:54.560 see if probation or inter drinking. So that'd be like 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.360 testing people that leave a judicial fundraiser, a prosecutors. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:03.600 Fundraiser lodge testing them two days. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.000 Later, Hey, you're guilty, and that would be moronic. So 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:11.640 but what SB fifty five does. There is a per 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:19.840 se limit for actual THHC presently of two nanograms in 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.400 your whole blood, and SB fifty five raises that from 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.680 two to five. And in doing a little bit of 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.800 prep for our discussion this morning, I actually found an 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.720 article that was submitted by an opponent of Senate Bill 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:42.359 fifty five, and it's a seven page letter that is 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:47.400 actually I was very skeptical going into it, but I 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.640 read and I'm like, this guy's pretty smart. And it 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:57.520 talks about how people, based on scientific studies, chronic users 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.840 of marijuana product can test it five nanograms any time 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:06.080 of the day when they're not impaired whatsoever. And the 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:10.719 crux of this letter to the Senate was that any 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:20.039 per se limit for marijuana is still advised. And again 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.880 it's it's based in some pretty solid studies. There was 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.159 one study from a guy over in Europe that I've 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:31.719 actually attended some of his lectures, right and aw Jones, 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:37.320 And this is actually cites actual science, which oftentimes our 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:38.920 General Assembly doesn't. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.599 Oh, they don't want to look at Jeff Meadows. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:41.960 You know. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.920 It made me think of what we've just talked about 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.360 previously with like the CBD you know, can't drink bands 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.560 and stuff because the craft beer industry is fading out 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.400 and a local brewery's Ryan Geist fifty West, all those 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.400 guys are coming up with new products. And it was, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.479 you know, CBD infused or THC infused drinks, and there's 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.120 a nuance between the THC that you extract from and 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.960 you know, from from hamp and from from marijuana, and 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:09.480 there's a nuance there. And I get that. I don't 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.680 want to mingle the two together. But point is people 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.680 drinking and go wow, I like the feeling better than 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.920 alcohol by drinking these THC infused drinks that comes from 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.200 hamp and not marijuana. Would would this all get caught 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.320 in there too? So someone who's maybe you go, hey, man, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.040 I don't care. I don't you know. I don't use 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.840 tin cheer, I don't smoke, I don't do edibles, but 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.440 I enjoyed the THHC infused beverages. Would would people also 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:33.320 be subject to this? Does that work as well? 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.320 So the short answer is yes. Delta THC, which is largely. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:42.760 What's derived from the hemp product, can cause you to 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:47.960 test positive or over certain limits depending on the frequency 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:53.120 and quantity of use for the marijuana metabolite. So Cinebill 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.640 fifty five was a wife bipartisan bill. It passed the 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.960 Senate unanimously, and now it's in the House Judiciary Committee, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:07.040 and it completely eliminated this metabolite section of our OVII 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.040 Wall forty five eleven nineteen of the Higher Revised Code. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:15.680 So a first glance, it's awesome because it completely gets 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:20.480 rid of the per se component of metabolite it does 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.880 say that a finder of facts, whether it's a judge 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:32.080 or jury, can consider a chemical test namely learned along 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.880 with any other competent evidence, an officer's observation, you know, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:41.560 what he smells, what he sees on your performance. But 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:46.080 the problem again is that the carboxy THC, which is 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.959 typically the only thing you're ever going to see identified 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.640 any urine test, is not psychoactive, So there shouldn't be 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:59.960 impairment psychomotor skills or fields based solely on marijuana metabit 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.839 Interesting does that actually, by the way, Jeff Meadows, he's 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.520 an attorney, Metal's law from one of the great ov 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:07.240 I attorneys. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.079 It's Ohio Senate Bill fifty five. And even if you 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:11.600 don't live on how you should know this because it 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.280 changes our OVI laws and basically the way it changes 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.679 metabolite testing for OVI, metabolizes will left over the byproduct 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:21.560 from using THHC, so marijuana or in this case, some 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.920 of those THD infused beverages that the state legislatures will 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.040 wound up cleaning up so you can continue to enjoy those, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.240 if you drink those, if you smoke edibles, whatever, You 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.319 could be jammed up in this thing because the metabolizes 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.560 or this hang around much much longer than the effects, 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.080 the high effects that you'd have. It's kind of like, 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.400 you know, doing a breathalyzer test after you had a 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.160 few drinks three or four or five or twenty nine 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.280 days later. It's not fair. And I wonder. I can't 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.960 help but think that this is like a de facto 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.839 way to get people to use less marijuana, because we 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.200 know the state legislature absolutely hates anyone who uses marijuana. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.200 They fought tooth and nail against all this thing. For 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.360 whatever reason. Is this a way to undermine the demand 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:02.719 for it? 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:07.480 That's a good question. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.520 Are telling what they're thinking. But you know, there's some 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.720 good language in this, like I said, eliminating the pers 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:20.600 day limits for the metabolize, you know, and if you're 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:25.240 sitting at home in the evening watching Super Troopers and 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:30.559 then marijuana, you shouldn't be convicted of an ov I 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:33.520 for driving to work the next day when the active 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:34.680 THHD is gone. 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.679 He is a Jeff Meadows Attorney's a lawyer, scientist, the 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.200 Metals law firm. Ov I guy. And again it's an 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.080 Ohio Senate Bill fifty five pass unanimously a change ov laws. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.520 If you got pulled over on a Friday. Let's say 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.520 you get pulled over on a Friday night, take me 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.440 through that stop. If you had some of these metabolites 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.080 in your system. Let's say you're out having some of 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.560 those beverages that have THC in them. Maybe you did 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.839 that on Friday and it's now Sunday and you get 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.280 pulled over before lane violation and the officer suspects that 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.600 you have You've been pulled over and you've been using 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.360 I don't know, either alcohol or that type of drug. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.040 How do you defend that? What's the process like from 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:12.960 the first out? 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.920 Well, honestly, Scott, I mean is the starting point. If 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.720 I'm going to go out and have beverages, I actually 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.160 uber from home. That way, I'm never tempted to drive 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.920 you home. Yeah, and it amazes me I still have 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.480 a job with all the ride share opportunities. But if 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.120 you do, because it is legal to drink and then 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.160 get in the cars, why there's parking lot at every bar. Right, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.480 you know, always be polite, respectful, hand your documents to 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:40.199 the officer. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:41.439 Quite frankly, I'm a. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.400 Fan of rolling the window all the way down. This 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.880 bull craft of cracking your window and sliding your license out. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.839 Everybody knows what that's about. Your hiding something. Just roll 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.839 your damn window down and give them your documents. Let 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.160 that car air out a little bit. When they ask 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:04.000 you if you've had anything to drink or smoke or edibles, 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.160 I think at that point you just invoke your constitutional right. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.800 The officer, I'd like to have an attorney if you 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.760 want to question me. I really don't want to answer 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.320 any questions. It is none of their business where you're 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.760 coming from and where you're going to. So when they say, so, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.760 where are you coming from? Officer not answering that question. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.400 Where are you headed? Not answering that question either. If 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.079 you want to keep questioning me, I'd like to talk 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:30.160 to a lawyer. We can call Metos right now. His 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.280 numbers three h nine. 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.680 Jeffs my mood. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:36.280 Right. 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.280 When they tell you to get out of the car, 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.520 get out, they've got fifty thousand bolts. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.199 On their hip to coerce you if you don't. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:50.280 And then I recommend nobody do field sobrieties, especially the 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.680 eye test. When they're moving their finger or pin across 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.000 your field of vision, they're looking for a neurological condition 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.920 called nice stagnus. Most of the people who administer this 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.800 test on a regular basis have more. 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.040 Education than these officers do. They're called brain surgeons. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:11.120 And it's a test that's administered routinely every day in 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.920 neurology and ophthalmology offices. These are people that have significant 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.680 education and experience. When you've got an officer doing these 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.520 tests and you're looking into the sun, you're looking at 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.240 rotating lights. They're doing it on the side of the 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.800 road with cars going buy a fifty five or eighty 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:33.280 miles an hour. Overwhelmingly. Now that we have body worn camera, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.120 I can zoom in on my client space and see 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:40.600 that there is verifiably no nice stagnat even though the 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.040 officers believe they see it. And I don't think they're 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:44.240 lying when they put it in their. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.200 Rowe Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's confirmation by. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.360 It, right, Yeah, And that's what it is. That's why 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.760 you never you know, you have lawyers and judges and 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.079 they get put they never take the test. You just say, listen, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.040 I'm not doing any I'll talk to an attorney. Can 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.760 they force you to take a blood alcohol test? You've 0:13:58.720 --> 0:13:59.680 got to get a court order. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.199 For that, correct, Yeah, you got to have a warrant. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:02.600 Yeah. 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.160 And you know, like the doormat at my in my 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.800 house has come back with a warrant. 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.480 Come back with a warrant. Yeah, that's a bait. And 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.280 that's that's just one on one kind of stuff there. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.920 But they change these laws and then you wonder, Okay, well, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.360 is it just gonna make it? Is? Is it? Is 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.520 it the fact a way to prevent people from enjoying 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.120 what we wanted, and that is recreational and in cases 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.400 medicinal marijuana and Ohio is Jeff Meadow's attorney with the 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.400 Metals Law Firm. What's that number again? 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:37.280 Five nine, Jeff is myself hopefully it's going to be 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:38.000 going up here. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:40.920 Well, I hope not. That's the thing is, it's like, 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.320 you know, it's a you represent your clients very very well, 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.640 you're the best, but at the same times, like you 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.680 shouldn't do it and you wouldn't have to call Jeff 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:49.600 and because it's a it's a pain in the ass. 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.080 From what I understand, I've never done it and I 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.560 hope never have to call you. Jeff. I'm trying in 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.840 my almost sixty years of life. Never to do that. 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.480 So all the best, buddy, have a good one. I 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:58.400 appreciate the insight. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:02.040 Thanks you two. Have a great weekend, yeap. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.600 Stuff you need to know as you head into the weekend. 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.680 Here the city of Cincinnati can get and not get 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.360 out of their own way. Interesting observation. All of the 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.840 people that they have had fired in their administrative staffs, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.359 you know, chiefs and fire and they're either black or female. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.120 You notice that. And yet where's the outrage from the 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.600 people who are outraged about the one white guy being 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.320 the victim during the July brawls. We'll get into that. Plus, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.800 do you know how binge watching start? You gonna binge 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.840 watch this weekend? The weather the way it is no football, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.920 the story behind that and how it actually started has 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.160 nothing to do with COVID, by the way, nothing to 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.480 do with COVID. We'll get into that next afternoons on 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.720 The Scotsland Show. On this Friday morning on the home 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.720 of the best Bengals coverage. Except this weekend where the 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.680 Bengals are idle, They're off thereby there's no way they 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.680 can lose this weekend. Can the Bengals lose this weekend? 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.560 How many points. Can the defense give up? It's impossible. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.040 It's statistically impossible for the Bengals to lose this weekend. 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:54.840 You can't do it. They're not playing, they're idle, and 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.920 yet and yet come Monday morning it's the Bengals. So 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:03.520 home of the best Bengals coverage one hundred Friday morning 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.280 sloany here seven hundred. Got that weather moving in for 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.720 sure football Friday night looks like the ring to move 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.680 out for for football tonight. So and then Sunday the 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.280 big cool down hits. But no football then because both 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.200 you see and the Bengals are off done. Not sure 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:18.360 when the last time that happened. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:18.520 I was. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:20.880 I'll ask Austin Elmore at ten thirty about that for you, 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.960 A right good trivia question. Just put this up on 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.160 my x feet at Scott Sloan from Scott for local guy. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.120 You know, we talked about the effects of crime and 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.320 the like in downtown c I know the election's over, 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.160 kind of maybe tired of hearing about it, but you 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.160 know these things, as they say, elections have consequences, and 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.520 the decisions made by how we police also has consequences. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.840 And on that the video is kind of striking now 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.880 I can't attribute to how it's been edited or you know, 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.200 if it is indeed was shot last night. But according 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.840 to the guy who posted this, he was in lives 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.200 downtown and was on Vine Street Thursday night, walking up 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.000 and down Vine Street, and it literally is a ghost town. 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.120 Like for the sake of the city, I hope that 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.119 that was shot wasn't shot last night. It was you know, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.200 maybe a Sunday night or something like that. But it's 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.359 pretty frightening because there literally is no one there and 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:17.120 it's now wasn't that long ago when on a Thursday 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.280 night in downtown Cincinnati it's hard to get a table. 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.639 There's hardly anyone in the Eagle, for example, and normally 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.480 it's like a ninety minute wait to get an Eagle 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.280 for fried chicken, and plenty of other bars and restaurants 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.000 where there's literally no one in there. And I hope 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.800 to God again it was taken out of context. I 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.920 don't think it was. I don't know what the motive 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.239 would be to do that. I mean the street car, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.240 there's no one on it. There's literally no one downtown. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.640 And I know I've known some folks who worked down 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.840 there and had businesses down there that Yeah, they've seen 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.359 a significant decline the number of people there. The fear 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.480 is now that summer's over, there's gonna be a fewer people. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.920 And you think about last night. I mean, it was 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.560 comfortable outside. It was it wasn't summer, wasn't hot, But 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:55.520 it wasn't like the weather gonna hap on Sunday for sure, 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.880 And so the weather was not an excuse. There really 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.560 wasn't a whole lot of other things going on to 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.480 distract people. It wasn't like a Super Bowl Sunday people. Yeah, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.520 it was just it's just kind of frightening. And you 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.040 can't help but think that one of the big factors, 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.919 if not the main factor, it is the violence downtown 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:13.680 and people are afraid to go downtown. You know, I've 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.159 said before, Look, I'm not I don't really have that 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:17.760 much of a fear of downtown. I'm little more alert 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.760 and more aware and situationally aware. I'm kind of always 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.240 that way. There are certain places I probably wouldn't go 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.400 that time at night, especially the late night, maybe after 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.240 like eleven or twelve o'clocks, or the when the clubs 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.040 are closed and I'm in bettering because I'm old that 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.320 won't be me not go to the clubs. There's a 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.359 velvet rope and security guys with guns and body armor 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.480 and they got metal detectors. Like, yeah, there's a place 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:41.880 that idn't need to go into, and I gotta pay 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.160 a cover to get in. Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.000 I'm good. I'm good. But that's that's kind of frightening, 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.160 and that's a huge problem if that doesn't need the case, 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.680 especially as heading the cold and wetter months when fear 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.520 people do go downtown, and you wonder how many these 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.080 places are going to close as a result of that. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.480 I guess I hope they got it doesn't true and 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.040 it's a mischaracterization, but I have a fear it's not. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:06.720 The city is also the subject of a wrongful termination 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.119 lawsuit by the former fire chief, Mike Washington, and a 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.320 federal justice rejected the city's argument city monitor to dismiss 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.679 this thing. I was like, there's no cause, there's no 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.920 reason for this, summarily dismissing. The judge said, no, there 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.000 is something here, and Washington is looking for punitive damages 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.879 and back paying loss benefits. He says he was wrongly dismissed. 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:28.000 Now the nicest wrinkle on this whole thing is Fox nineteen, 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.240 a Trician men Atrician rob had this assistant fire chief 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.920 Sherman Smith, has been fired for helping Washington's lawsuit. And 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.080 he's a thirty one year veteran. He's been on the 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:41.000 job for thirty one They're over three decades, and this 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.879 is now the third assistant chief vacancy we have in 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.000 the city. I'm just curious because in the context of 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.760 what just happened on Tuesday, all the people they fired 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.440 so far who have lost their jobs from Chief Washington, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.240 the other assistant chiefs Terry Thigi, et cetera, are either 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:01.199 black or female. And you know, and I bring this 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.680 up because we saw the race card being played during 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.159 the July brawl, and the race card was played very, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.200 very hard. It looks like that race card was played wrongly. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.520 And no one's backing away from this because while you 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.320 can't apologize as you're getting stuff wrong, if this were 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:19.199 Cranleigh or I know, Corey Bowman, for example, wouldn't there 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.840 be outrage in the fact that now we're dismissing minorities, 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.760 people of color, women, et cetera. And it happens in 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.920 under this administration Democrats, and it's not a big deal. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.359 Why is it only a big deal when it happens 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:33.800 the other way? I mean, if race, if we want 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.400 to have racial balance and harmony and tree just get 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.520 and who doesn't agree with that, we should all be 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:41.040 treated the same unless you're an a hole. If you're 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.800 an a hole, you deserve to be treated like you are. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.919 You deserve to be discriminated against peace. If you're a jerk, okay, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.000 but if you're cool, like ninety nine percent of the world, 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.199 it really shouldn't it's really shouldn't matter. So it's day 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:58.280 idea inclusiveness and all the cohesion and handhold it. So 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.000 it's all good, But then practice like wait a minut, 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.200 and well we're are these same people who are screaming 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:04.800 about the fact that you need to charge a white 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:07.160 guy because black folks were charged. And it turns out, well, 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:08.840 he was a victim in this case because we saw 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.879 the video that just came out. It was leaked out 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:12.480 by the way, the city didn't want you to see it. 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.200 If that's indeed the case, and we're talking about racial 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.920 justice in Cincinnati, and yah, you've charged black folks. Care's 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:23.840 the white guy too. Okay, Well, should they be complaining 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:28.800 about this because we have a pattern here, don't we Well, 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.600 of course it's about something else, which, of course it 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:38.600 always is. It's funny who the fine line between a 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:40.760 you know, a patriot and a terrorist or in this case, 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:45.080 a trader or a whistleblower. They love whistleblowers when it's 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.760 big corporations or Trump or whatever. But you got a whistleblower, 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.240 and I don't know if isn't that how you describe 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.159 Sherman Smith, the assistant chief who's been let go, like 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.760 he's a whistleblower. No, he's not. He's he's a trader. 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.200 He's hurting the city, he's undermine me. There's a lot 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.400 going on here. There's a lot to unpack right there, 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.240 and probably too much to unpack on a Friday morning. 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:13.120 I apologize, I apologize. Here's this is a bit lighter 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:16.320 for you, do you know how? And I'll do this 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.280 because Will Gance is off today. It's like a lot 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.640 of people are off today. It's just one of those days. 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.960 It's fine, the show goes on. You know, Binge watching started, 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.480 Binge watch well, binge watch well, dummy, Yeah, because of 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.040 COVID we had nothing better do with, but we were 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.440 a binge watching well before COVID. I just read this 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.879 in thrills. This is really interesting. So in two thousand 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.760 and six Netflix go back to two thousand and six, 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:44.200 almost twenty years ago, when Netflix was a DVD rental service. 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.439 If you did not know this or younger, this is fascinating. 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.800 So it started the DVD, which is a disc that 0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:50.840 you put in a machine in the movie or the 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:52.560 show is on a disc. And then he had play 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.080 and you couldn't really rewind it. I mean you could 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:56.800 rewind it and watch it skim through, and it was 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:58.239 a lot easier than the VCR and I don't want 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.560 to tell you what a vcarspent. And before that, it 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:06.680 was beta in before that, so disc you put it. 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.000 It was a DVD rental surface and I forget how 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.040 it worked, but they'd mail them to you basically what 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:13.920 had happened, and they'd mail you like two or three 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.040 or four shows or movies. They're all movies back then, 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.480 and then you'd watch them and then mail them back, 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:19.760 and then when they got them back, they'd send you 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:21.800 more if you so subscribe to the ones you wanted 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.440 and at the time, the CEO of the company had 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.800 a software called Cinematch and that was their recommendation surface. 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.720 So the idea was, hey, we have the software and 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.000 it's intuitive and based on the kind of themes that 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.639 we see you renting, so you know, maybe your drama 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.800 or horror or comedy or whatever it is, and go, Okay, 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.560 you like that show, you may like this movie as well. 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.359 And that was like, no one was doing that back 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:51.000 in two thousand and six. And they had the Cinematch 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.520 software and this program that they wrote, this elegance an algorithm, 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.440 and they kind of hit a wall with it and 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:02.480 it was okay, it wasn't really great, but we didn't 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:06.600 know how to make it better. They introduced something called 0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:11.159 the Netflix Prize, and the Netflix Prize in two thousand 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:15.359 and six they offered a million dollars to improve the 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:19.159 recommendation algorithm, that Cinematch algorithm by ten percent. Just improve 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:22.200 it by ten percent and we'll do the rest million dollars. 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.640 And when you offer a million dollars today or even 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.119 back in two thousand and six, especially, they had something 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:34.119 like thirty thousand participants. You had professionals, you had people 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:38.200 in colleges, and universities, academics, you had hobbyists, you had 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.560 garage tinkers that everyone's working because I wanted a million dollars. 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.040 And the winner that they chose a little bit later 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:52.359 came up with a algorithm that allowed them to get 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:57.439 one hundred plus million ratings of almost eighteen thousand movies 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.119 from a half million customers. They it just opened this 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:07.000 floodgates to spick it, so they awarded them the Netflix Prize. Now, 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.040 if you think about that, that was probably one of 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.480 the first examples of what we now call crowdsourcing and 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.920 maybe one of the most successful crowdsources of all time. 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.359 That really put that on the map, because today the 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:21.120 algorithm is now not only used by Netflix, is used 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:26.240 by everybody including your social feed and now AI I mean, 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:30.880 that's incredible, right, what incredible story. And there are problems 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.679 along the way because they are inconsistencies, and you know, 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:35.240 some people will just do a couple of movies. Some 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.439 people are you know, it's like I don't know, like 0:25:38.520 --> 0:25:40.800 Yelp or something, you know, you have somebody may occasionally 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:42.600 do a review, and then you have the super people 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:44.240 you read or whatever it is, or are going to 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:47.960 do ten thousand reviews themselves, and they also had a 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:51.199 hard time figuring out movies that were a little like 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.359 Napoleon Dynamite. How do you polarize? You know, how do 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.280 you it's a polarizing movie. It's like either you love 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.359 or you hate it. It's really hard to predict what 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:01.520 else you're gonna lie if you like those movies, and 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:02.840 what category is that? Actually? 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:03.119 Is it? 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.440 Comedy? Is it? It's kind of weird getting with a 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:09.639 con brothers, for example, And so they had to work 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.800 through those things. So it wasn't really wasn't overnight. But 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:15.359 this opened the floodgate for algorithms, so all the stuff 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:17.240 that you see now, and of course the downside of 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.119 algorithms would be we want to kill each other as 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.000 a result of all the algorithms, because all we're doing 0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.199 is doom scrolling and just seeing a steady feed of 0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:28.000 horrible things for most of us. And it just in 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.199 the minute we get eyes on something, what do we do? 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.520 We want more of it and so it goes. But 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.360 this all started was started by a contest that Netflix 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:39.080 did in two thousand and six really put crowdsourcing on 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.200 the map, but in particular the algorithms that have led 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.600 to where we are today as a society. Isn't that fascinating? 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:48.480 I thought it was too, So now you're thinking, wow, DVDs. 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:57.639 It's all started with the damn DVDs. Yeah, I got 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.280 time to get into this because ye this there's a 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.320 good Friday topic as well. I don't know anyone who 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:08.800 actually ever consumed this. It's something that exists that you 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.959 would go, oh yeah, yeah, wait a minute, that's still around. 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.919 There's Doctor Pepper and you see the I think the 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.560 Fansville commercials are hilarious. I think they're great. They do 0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:23.679 a good job of and that's doctor Pepper, all right, 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.320 and you have doctor Pepper. You got Pepper zero, you 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:28.920 got all different flavors of that died. Doctor Pepper is huge. 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:31.920 So Doctor Pepper's been around for a while. Back in 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.040 the day, Coca Cola, that's a Pepsi brand, and Coca 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:35.480 Cola came out and said, well, we got to do 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.960 something to rival Dr Pepper, and they came out with 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:42.560 a product called mister pib PIBB. Mister pib apparently it's 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.600 been a way for almost a quarter century, and now 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:51.040 they're bringing mister pib back Coca Cola is and the 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:56.159 formula contains thirty percent more caffeine than the one that replaced, 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.040 called pib Extra. But so mister Pip is back. It's 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.240 I guess it's It's called a bold kick of cherry 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.000 cherry flair with carmel hints in a spicy finish, kind 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.280 of like Doctor Pepper. Anybody want to talk about what? 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:09.320 What the hell's doctor pep? 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:09.719 What is that? 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:12.440 Someone said it's prune, other people said it's just vanilla, 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.720 It's no one really knows. Kind of like steak sauce. 0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:19.320 You know, there's raisins in that really raisins and stakes. 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:23.840 Hey one, Yeah, they rolled us out in closest places Michigan. 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:28.080 They got in Chicago, Florida, and they're gonna start rolling 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:30.520 the house next year. And there's also a zero sugar availion. 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:32.320 But they started this in nineteen seventy two as a 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.879 product called Peppo to complete Pete with Doctor Pepper, and 0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.040 then of course they sued them, and then they changed 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:38.560 the name and they went to mister Pibb. And I'm 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:42.240 not quite sure that came from mister Pibb, but they're 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:43.960 gonna roll this thing. It's one of those things, you go, 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.280 why they're gonna roll the back out. I don't know 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.800 anyone who ever said, Wow, you guys got mister pib Hey, 0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:50.880 what can I get? Would you like to do? 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:50.920 You? 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:52.400 Okay, what's what drink would you like? 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:52.640 You know? 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:57.760 Coke, Pepsi, mountain dew sprite, got Fanta? No one ever said, 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:03.920 y'all got mister pib one of the I like oreos, 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.120 there is a great No one ever went, I think 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:12.200 hydrocks is better. Id you know what I'm saying. Anyway, 0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.120 we've got news on the way in about ten minutes 0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:18.040 here on seven hundred. Wow. Usual suspect kind of off today, 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:19.640 so we're kind of rolling. I know. Later in the show, 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.920 we got the doctor Sale, who's our resident doctor of pharmacy? 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.520 Did you hear that? President Trump at the White House 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:30.200 just struck a deal with the two big manufacturers Eli 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:34.240 Lilly and Novo UH to lower the price of GLP 0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:39.160 one injectables, which is the miracle drug that's causing people 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:42.800 to lose up to about thirty pounds. Well, we know 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:44.840 they're cheating. You know, you can go online now and 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.000 get you know, prescribed over the phone or online online 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.800 pharmacistem the houture that works. Okay, to do the injectible, 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.000 it's I think once a week or whatever for a 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.160 few months, and you lose up to thirty pounds. Great, 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:57.320 Now you got to change your diet habits following that 0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.520 or during that, because if you go back to eat 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.880 an entire sheet pizza and a five pound bag of 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:06.440 Doritos dipped in ranch, you're going to put that weight 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.040 back on. So you've got to change a lifestyle and 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.520 exercise and eat right as well. But for a lot 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.840 of people, we have now seen the obese rate in 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.200 America actually go down for a change, which is something 0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.320 that's unprecedented. I have never seen that before whatsoever. And 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.320 now the numbers are going back down and are locked. Okay, 0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.640 that's good. Now. I don't know if that's a permanent thing, 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.640 but hey, we're moving in the right direction. The President 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:30.920 also is now seeing how medicare can also include that 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.520 as well, So you're just going to see. The point 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:35.120 is it's going to bring the cost down because so 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:36.880 many more people have it, we're producing more of it. 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.320 But also now that it's pretty much going to be common, 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:41.880 a lot more people are going to get ENNGLP once 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:43.560 and maybe that to you, maybe it's been cost prohibitive. 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.120 I think when this just started just a couple of 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.680 years ago, it was I want to say, close to 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:51.320 one thousand dollars a month, I think is what I heard. Yeah, 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.800 like like well over one thousand dollars a month, where 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.280 GLP was twelve hundred bucks a month. And now those 0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:57.960 costs are down one hundred so it's going to be 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.200 even less now. I could imagine. It's the governments off 0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.360 from this whole thing. So they struck a deal and 0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.200 everybody's going to be on this stuff, and at some 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:06.640 point it's just going to be you know, when you 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:08.240 go in to get a mister pib, they're going to 0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:12.040 have the GLP one in the mister pib. It's going 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:15.840 to be pib LP one or something like that. We're 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.640 headed to five one, three, seven nine, the big one. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.920 Let me go to Jim Claremont County on seven hundred. 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:23.000 W W Jim, good morning. 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:25.480 I saw me. 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.720 One thing I don't like about listening to is you 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:29.520 make me laugh so much. I got to go to 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.200 the bathroom anyway. 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:33.120 Gotta get rid of that, mister pidd. 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.480 Yeah, but you were talking to earlier about that next 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.960 flick thing. I remember the I remember the Columbia house 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.920 saying music thing when I was in ice work. 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.560 Fine job, remember that, Yeah, you get so it was 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.720 like a penny and you'd get thirteen records or cassettes 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.280 or eight tracks for a penny. And then the agreement was, 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:58.720 I think for the next fifty years you have to buy. 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.640 You have to buy once a month the Columbia Record 0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:03.240 and Tape. But once in a while you'll like, you know, 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:05.920 just get down a rabbit hole up this weekend. Be 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:07.440 good for it. You know, you're in a website or 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:09.400 something like that, you're like, oh my god, look at 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.080 that ad from you know, nineteen eighty four, the Columbia 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:14.920 Record and Tape Club. It was pretty cool. I remember 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.560 like every every teenager had, you know, you had that job. Well, 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.520 if you working as a teenager, like the first thing 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.200 you do get little money is getting that Columbia record 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:23.960 table and they shit you a big box had all 0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.720 the great hits in it, right, And I was like, yeah, 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:29.320 now you know about like the commitment of the contract 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.600 is for the next several years you have to buy. 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.440 I think it's like one one a month or something 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.960 like that. So yeah, days going on. Now you just 0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:39.400 you know, subscribe to iHeart or Spotify whatever it is, 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.240 and you get unlimited take it all the fun. It's 0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:43.080 like concert tickets. You just have to camp out to 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.720 get concert tickets. Now you don't even get the ticket anymore. 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:47.960 It's on your phone. And we're better off for it, 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.360 I think. Anyway, it's news on the way Scott's Long 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:51.720 Friday morning. I hope you have a good one, seven 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.000 hundred WW Cincinnati. You don't want to be. 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:55.520 An American idiot. 0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.240 You've got a phone show on seven hundred W LW. 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.760 I'd love to chat check in occasionally with our friends 0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.320 and the veterans, the Veterans Services Commission, especially the executive 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.360 director of Claremont's and that would be Steve Belco in 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.480 the studio this morning, and Steve, welcome back. Good to 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.160 have you. I know, these are tough times for everybody. 0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.960 We've got government shutdowns, we've got the cash flow maybe 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.440 stopping people, maybe getting paid, maybe not getting paid. Not 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:25.960 the best of times for Americans, specifically in our military 0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:26.480 at this point. 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.360 Sure, sure, a lot of anxiety out of anxiety right now. 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:34.400 So what's what's tomorrow hold and yeah, having the ability 0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:35.440 to shore up. 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:37.720 Is this all affected in any way in shape or 0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.040 form what you guys do in veterans services, No. 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:41.040 Great question, it does not. 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.840 And the Ohio Revice Code established that we are part 0:33:44.880 --> 0:33:48.760 of the county millage that they take up with taxations, 0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:50.880 so we're not federally funded. 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.640 But the VA it's a different story. So you as 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:55.960 you know, and I've explained having Steve Haunt from time 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:57.760 to time to check in with our veterans and see 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.960 how they're doing. Is that that you're the conduit between 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:02.920 one of the biggest things you do. Not everything you do, 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.000 we'll get to in a second, but one of the 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.480 biggest things you do, of course is coordinate healthcare and 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.080 the VA covered for veterans, because again it's a big 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.480 government agency and you don't have the kind of time 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.400 and knowledge to be able to navigate that. So you 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.480 need someone like a tax accountant to navigate that for you. 0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:21.879 Well said, well said, there's the with the healthcare. Sorry, 0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.160 I'm gonna caught up over my tongue. With the healthcare 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:28.600 is also the compensation and benefits that are the result 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.120 of injuries from active duty or service while on active duty. 0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.040 So it's a combination of both getting in through the 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.200 door and then also being compensated for how you were injured, 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:40.279 and then sustaining life after that. 0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:40.960 You know. 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.800 I saw this in advance of our talk today that 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.960 not every state has what we have here in Ohio. 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.800 All eighty eight counties have a Veteran Service Commission. Not 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:52.920 all states do this, No, not at all. 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.040 Actually, Ohio's we're almost at the pointed that Ohio's and 0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.920 anomaly that we have this in every county. There are 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:01.240 I believe somewhere less than ten. I think it's single 0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.120 digit states that have our type of program in every 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:06.240 county of the state. 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.239 I think that says a lot about the Buckeye State 0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.319 and how we treat our veterans, not lip service, the 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:12.560 fact that they're there for you. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:13.160 We say. 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.799 And even our federal retirement so those who retire from 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:20.239 the military, the state does not tax the retirement benefits 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:24.000 from the military still federally taxed, but the state overlooks that. 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:25.759 There's a few states that do that as well. 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.160 All right, so let's look at the overview here too, 0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.360 because I have you on we talked about more granular 0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.279 issues too. I think the day to days of this too. 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:35.759 But what actually you do for veterans oh us. 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:37.920 Yeah, So when we look at what my office is 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.879 designed to do by the Ohire Revice Code is a 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:42.480 is a three legged stool that we. 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.280 Like to refer to in the military, everything's in threes. 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.600 So we help veterans, as we already spoke about apply 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:54.120 for healthcare as well as benefits compensation. We transfert veterans 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.800 to and from their VA appointments, which has really grown 0:35:57.880 --> 0:35:59.719 in the past couple of years as they started to 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:06.920 outsource third party physicians to do their compensation review CMP exams. 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.759 And then there's also the emergency financial assistance where there 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.640 are times where life just hits you and you didn't 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:17.160 see it coming, and we get to pick up the 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.239 veteran who hit rock bottom there's no way out. 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.719 And we re establish them. 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.320 What is that? What by the way, I mean Preference 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:26.719 is saying, so you're listening, going, well, I don't live 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.960 in Claremont County, so I'm a veteran in my family, 0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.160 or I'm a veteran, or someone in someone's family's a veteran. 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:33.840 This is true in all the other eighty seven counties. 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:35.759 So you know, you're kind of like the spokesperson for 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:38.600 the program stay. You know, we get people listen all 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:40.320 over the place, and so you're going, wow, Okay, I 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.400 didn't know that was available to me as a service. 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.399 I thought it was just VA and maybe a ride there. 0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:46.440 But there's all these other things that go on. So 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.400 when you talk about hitting rock bottom not maybe not 0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:53.320 you know, physically or in a political way, emotionally, what 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:55.160 does that look like? What kind of support is that? 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:55.959 Yeah, So. 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:02.520 The Ohiovice Code says that we will, in circumstances be 0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:06.120 able to support veterans, and that is a Every county 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:08.680 is going to be different in how they approach the 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:13.960 financial assistance. Some label it exactly that financial assistance. Some 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:18.479 label emergency financial assistance. So that as the commissioners of 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.400 my I have five board members that are commissioners separate 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.880 from the county commissioners, establish a policy to say this 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.319 is how we're going to handle financial assistance. And so 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:32.359 for Claremont County we label it emergency financial assistance so 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:38.120 that it's a new emergent financial emergency that's like, Gee, 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:42.920 the roof fall in, or mama's cancer can't pay medical bills, 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:44.759 and I've got these other things that are. 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.680 Falling by my car transmission out of my car, right. 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:48.040 Right, you know. 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:52.440 So there's there's different parameters as to how financial assistance 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:58.719 is supported. However, every county has a financial assistance but 0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:03.239 that is based on the millage a county can bring 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.560 in that supports the office. So obviously you're less dense 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:11.600 counties are going to have less support for financial assistance. 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.920 But you're also going to see it's more agrarian and 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.239 there's less veteran population. 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:18.960 Gotcha, sure, sure, yeah, it's based on the population. You 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:21.600 had more in Claremont County, Butler Warren as you move 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.040 out to the Green County a little bit different, right, 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.520 that's right, Yeah, I got it. So I'm met. 0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:26.920 You know. 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:28.799 As far as the services going, people go, okay, well 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:30.600 what does this cost me? It doesn't cost you anything. 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:32.160 Does it. Absolutely? 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:36.000 Frankly, the taxpayers have already paid for you to be 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:38.719 served as a veteran. So when you come to the 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:40.960 office and you want to see a service officer because 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.959 you have this issue from your time on active duty 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.319 and you need to apply to the VA, we have 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.160 trained service officers that can apply on your behalf. They 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.160 know what they're looking for, the forums that they need, 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:55.239 the order in which they're applied. So which is really 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.160 nice that you can come in and not only talk 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.440 to a service officer about applying for your benefits. They 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.960 can track it through the VA where most it's a 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.160 blind submittal. It's the black hole you submitted into and 0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:09.560 you just wait for the letter to come right, our 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.959 service officers can see within to see how it's tracking. 0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:14.120 How many service officers you have in Clarmat, I currently 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.520 have four, I'm looking to hire the fifth process. 0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.680 Are you looking for a veteran? Do they have to 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.560 be a veteran? Is that a qualifier? And what do 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:22.680 they do? How do they get trained? 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:22.920 No? 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.960 Great question, So they have to Cornell Higher Revice code. 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.560 A veteran service officer has to be a veteran. So 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.640 they're going to come from the active components. They're going 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:36.120 to have experience in so primarily understanding the acronyms and 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:39.239 the communication, the verbiage that we use in the military, 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:45.920 as well as the education they receive. Are five classes 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:49.920 a year of continuing education, so once a quarter for 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.800 the county. From the Ohio perspective and then there's once. 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.040 A year for a national gotcha all right, Okay, so 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.759 that makes as i'mgoing training, and the training has to 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:01.839 do with all the I mean, I suppose you could 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.800 file your own claim. I'm sure veterans all over the 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:07.319 place file or unclaim. But the more complicated I mean, 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.440 I guess, the more pushback there is or delays. It's 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.440 almost you need one of these advisors to do the 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.279 bidding for you because you don't know the language, you 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:18.279 don't know where to go, who to ask, because it's 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.279 the government, right. You learn that in the military, use 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.520 a marine. You learned that as like man, the hierarchy, 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.320 I'm standing around waiting for someone to make a decision 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.680 because of the hierarchy. That's part of the problem in 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:28.280 the military. 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:30.759 Well, back in the seventies, our Fithers could tink around 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:31.319 their own car. 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.279 Yeah, can you do that today? I can't do that now. 0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:35.560 Unless you've got a computer, unless you've got thousands of 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.480 dollars in diagnostic tools and special tools to take the 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:39.799 air filter off, you can't do that. 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:40.120 That's it. 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.319 So there's some small things you can do. I mean, 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.120 VA dot gov allows a veteran to apply on their 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:49.040 own behalf. Now there's danger involved with that. There's not danger, 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:55.120 there is concern involving that. In that, does a veteran 0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:58.840 know the order of precedence in which to file? Yeah, 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:00.920 so there is with the VA, and the VA is 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.640 good at kicking things back with No, that's a second 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:08.319 or third or fourth order of cause you need to 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:10.880 go back to the They'll just say denied, and the 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:11.440 veteran doesn't know. 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:13.880 I'll tell you why, and then you get frustrated and go, 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.200 I'm on my own and it sucks, and you know, 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.840 the big countries turn my back on me. It's to 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.359 President Trump's point, that's I mean, you know, we don't 0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.319 want to talk about doze and all that, but that's 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.760 the part of the problems. I bureaucracy is just too great. 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:31.080 Right then, Additionally, the forms are changing. Every four to 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.680 six months, something new comes along. Oh, we learned this 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.920 change the verbiage in that that's now an outdated form 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.000 the veteran used, which the VA kicks back. No, you 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.919 used an old form, right, So now that's taken four 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.880 months out of the timeframe of me receiving my benefits. 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:49.600 So it's to the benefit of the government that they 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.560 can apply on VA dot gov unless you're an extremely 0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:57.560 smart individual who can read through. We have two volumes 0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:00.919 that come out annually of all the rules and regulations 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.920 and they're both about four inches thick that my service 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:08.000 officers read through in order to apply a quality of education. 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.760 Yeah, Steve Belsos here, Steve is the executiverector of Clamont 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:14.840 County Veterans Service Commission'm gon to pause us for just 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.440 a second, Steve and switch back to real world and 0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.640 those of us who didn't serve our country like you 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.480 did and which so right now the government shutdown and 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.840 there's a debate over healthcare. Right we're shut is a healthcare. 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.400 Healthcare The people who are the Democrats in particular want 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:32.640 universal government subsidized healthcare. So you're listening to this now, going, 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.000 can you imagine if we get that, we're going to 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:38.080 need not Veteran Services Committee, We're still going to need 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.400 someone to interpret healthcare. Well, we have to go to 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.920 the doctor and need surgery, because that's what this is 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.160 going to become. And that is the problem with it, 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.480 is the fact that we need whether it's this or 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:49.920 taxes another one or hey, you know, I'm gonna apply 0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.160 for college alone college aid. You need these advisors and books, 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:55.160 and you have to be an expert. It's because the 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.239 more the government does this stuff, the heart is for 0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:58.760 you to get what it is you want. 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:03.640 Absolutely right, they build up more of these boulders around 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.759 the sides. That causes an individual to really ramp up 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:11.880 the education to get beyond what's holding them back. And 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:15.520 then when we start socializing healthcare, think of how the 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:20.640 VA has been just ostracized for the past how many 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:25.040 years that that and in a sense, that's a small 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.960 culture of socialized healthcare. Now you take this broad nationally. 0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:34.200 The VA has done a good job tackling in pushing 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:37.120 veterans out to third party providers so that I'll make 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.440 an appointment for you because we don't have the throughput 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:43.239 through this hospital to doctor Jones over here specialists. 0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:44.080 That's right. 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.360 So, but the VA uses what they call it vincent 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.080 that's the same as we would call a district. And 0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.920 so the higher revised Code says that I will transport 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.680 my veterans within the district of the VA hospital. I 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:59.960 resided that's fine. I called the Cincinnati VA, what's our district? 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.080 While we go by vincent. I said, Okay, what's our 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:06.640 vincent Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio. So from Claremont County, I 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:11.000 have the expectation to transport veterans to Michigan, Indiana and Ohio. 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:15.520 If the VA established the appointment to include. Now the 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:19.080 VA's transitioning a little bit two morters of excellence. So 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:20.960 now this hospital is going to have a set of 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.080 excellence over this, which now makes it more of a 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:28.000 fluid approach. But it also caused more distance and price 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:28.960 on me as I'm. 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:31.920 Free hcause if you if like you're sending that closest 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:36.040 Sexor centers was in Minnesota, well can you cover airfare 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.080 for that? How does that work? Right? Right? 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.319 Right? Yeah, I'm putting a driver on the road. 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:44.160 For for example, maybe three weeks ago, I personally drove 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.080 a veteran to Cleveland to the Cleveland clinic because the 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.760 veteran was that injured. But still it's within my district. 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.480 It's a veteran that needs the service. The VA established 0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.040 the appointment up there because of the excellence we know 0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.040 of the and so it was a sixteen hour day 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.839 getting that veteran tow and from that had no other way. 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:02.000 To get that. 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.799 But I think because you know, you hit on something there. 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:08.000 My dad who passed was a Navy veteran and he 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.399 had leg to have his leg taken off at one point, 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:12.399 but he had that done at the Lewis Stokes VA 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:14.440 in Cleveland, and that was one of the best places 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.080 you can do that, and his standard of care was 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.520 It was incredible as a family member to watch that 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:20.120 and be there part of that, and how well they 0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:23.759 treated him even though he served in the sixties, and 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.799 how respectful they were and the chain of command, but 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:31.600 also the fact that the standard of care was absolutely wonderful. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:33.319 So that's good that we do that wonderful way. 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:34.520 Absolutely absolutely. 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:38.319 And then I will say Cincinnati VA, above all is 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.799 doing a phenomenal job and taking care of veterans right now, 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:45.600 and so walking in you're greeted. It's a great standard 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.000 of care. Veterans are happy to go down to the 0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:51.040 Cincinnati VA. I think they've done a great job. Whether 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.400 or not we do that across the country yet, I 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:53.839 don't know. 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.640 Yeah to be determined, so but hopefully they can improve 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.879 those areas. So you can only control what's in our area. 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:01.520 And fortunately we have really good coverage. We have great care, 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.520 and of course with veteran services and all lady accountants 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.480 Clamont where you are, Steve, we know that there's people 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.040 out there fighting for you if you're a veteran of 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:10.920 family member. So it's not just a healthcare and we 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:13.239 often talk about that. How much it's a percentage? Would 0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:14.560 you say it's healthcare related to what you. 0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:16.359 Guys do well? 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:19.800 For the first service officers, it is one hundred percent. 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:25.640 So if it's not current healthcare of continued care, it's 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.319 also the extension of the injuries from active duty and 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:32.120 receiving care for those so as well as like your 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.240 father is serving in the sixties, Agent Orange. They denied 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:36.680 it for years and then all of a sudden it 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:41.000 becomes oh no, it is an initiator of many different 0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:45.319 causal type of effects. So they're coming back in to say, hey, 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:47.560 now this is recognized, I need to apply for this 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:51.839 or that. So healthcare is probably eighty percent of what 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:52.960 my office does. 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.920 Okay, and then the other twenty mental health and travel 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:57.920 all those other things too. But they're there for you. 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:00.480 And Steve Belsa is the executive director Clamont. But again, 0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.000 if you're listening to other county Ohio. You do have 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:05.239 a Veteran Service Commission there that does these things for you. 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:07.799 So you're kind of like the spokesperson for the entire state. 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:10.360 Let's put it that way. Absolutely, Yeah, I am. I 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.399 can no, really, I'm a humble guy. 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:13.960 I am. 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:14.319 So. 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:19.719 However, I had a veteran come visit me yesterday from Ohio. 0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.680 Had no idea this was in every county and the 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:27.160 services we provide are free for that veteran. And there 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:31.960 is currently legislation on both the Ohio and the House 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:36.680 of Representatives federally to change some of the verbiage over 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:41.960 how veterans are recognized and service as well as how 0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:46.160 these outside entities besides the county Veteran Service officers will 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.960 do everything for free for the veteran. These other entities 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:53.320 want to charge and receive a portion from your benefits 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:54.120 coming back at you. 0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.120 That's how they're paid. We don't get paid unless you 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:56.560 get paid. 0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.239 Yeah, but now you're taking thirty percent of that, which 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.000 is going to meet a medical or my medical bills. 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.480 You gotta watch out. There's all sorts of scams like 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.400 I had one the other day from and kind of 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.120 mind computer you're talking about. But you got to watch out. 0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.480 It's like, hey, I know we noticed it. Your I 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:13.160 don't know your passports expire. Well we'll take care of that. 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.279 Well yeah, and it made it look like the fake 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:16.960 sealed they put on and may it look like it's 0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:21.960 a government agent. They're going, I just did this. Watch 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.360 it so again it's legit. Claremont Kenny Veterans Services. He 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.399 also he's the executive director. Just reach out to you. 0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:30.800 You know, you can google it Claremont County Veterans or 0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.719 whatever countie you're in Veterans Services Commission and get what 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.279 those folkses are great at what they do. And I 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.080 love the fact that you come in every few weeks 0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:40.680 and check in and discris veteranstion appreciate it. Thanks buddy, 0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:42.880 Uh Steve be Well, let's get a time out in 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:45.239 It's a Scott Floon show on seven hundred wl. 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:50.200 Ken. 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:53.680 We go on this Friday morning. Everybody else took the 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:58.040 day off, but Austin. Austin's here as he's always here. 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:01.000 He's here tonight actually six to six thirty ahead of you. 0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:04.680 See basketball and sports stock could be filling in tonight. 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:07.880 You can find him weekdays at noon on ESPN fifteen 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:12.800 thirty with a sidekick Tony Pike, speaking of college basketball 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.520 being here Georgia State, I believe tonight tonight tonight? Is 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.160 that correct, Austin, That's correct. 0:49:18.160 --> 0:49:21.520 The Bearcat's back in action, trying to match Xavier and 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:23.640 go two and oh to start the season. I didn't 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.080 watch Xavier because I only was on last night, but 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:30.720 nonetheless they only one by five, and this time of season, 0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:34.879 I think it's fair to have low expectations for Xavier. 0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:37.640 It's pretty low. I would say, obviously, the you know, 0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:41.360 dealing with the nonsense after Sean Miller's departure, and you 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:43.760 bring in a new coach kind of late in the process, 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.000 and you deal with the whole portal thing, and the 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.560 Big East is a tough conference. It's it's gonna take 0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:52.279 some time for for Xavier. I don't think. I think 0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:54.600 a lot of their fans understand that too. It's like, Okay, 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.600 it's not gonna just happen overnight. But I think, as 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:01.640 we all can understand, you should savor every win you get, 0:50:01.760 --> 0:50:05.080 doesn't matter by how little or how much. Anytime you win, 0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:06.719 you should be happy. And the Muskies are two and oh. 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:11.960 But Lemoyne. Lemoyne and Marist, a couple of New York 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.200 schools who gave the Mouskies a run. 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:15.799 I know where Marist is. I had no idea where 0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:17.239 Lemoine was. Yeah, to look that up. 0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:20.440 What's even funnier is they're in Syracuse, New York. Yeah, 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:25.560 and they're the Dolphins. I don't think there's dolphins in Syracuse. 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:28.560 They couldn't I check, couldn't take Orange. I know, you 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:30.480 should have done something else. You should have been the Lemons, 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:31.719 been like Blue or something. 0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:32.040 Yeah. 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:35.319 Yeah, all right, so yeah, college basketball, we get it. 0:50:36.320 --> 0:50:38.040 I had to point this out too, because I'm sick 0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:41.719 for the puck Alexandrovitchkin this week. I'm sick for the puck. 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:46.240 Nine hundred goals never been done in NHL history, fifteen 0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.440 hundred games played these fourty years old, fifteen hundred games, 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:51.480 nine hundred goals, seven hundred and twenty six assists, sixteen 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.880 hundred plus points, led the NHL in scoring nine seasons. 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:56.560 But this is the I saw this this morning. It 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:58.960 blew me away. To show you the level. If he 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.480 hadn't scored a goal until he turned thirty in the 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:04.520 NHL Okay, starting at age thirty, so last ten years 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:07.480 he'd still be ninth on the all time active List's amazed. 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:09.920 If he didn't score a single goal after he turned thirty, 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:13.239 he'd be sixth. That's amazing. 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:16.680 That is as a truly, truly great player, an iron man, 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.640 an iron man great player, and a guy who you 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.520 would look at off the ice and wonder about his 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:27.080 habits and how he takes care of him. Donald's exactly. 0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:31.359 It's amazing that he has had this mixture of longevity 0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:34.120 and toughness and talent that he's been able to do 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.160 and obviously score nine hundred the other night, first player 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.359 to ever do that. That is a huge, huge deal. 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:41.560 I mean last year was a huge deal, passing the 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:44.400 all time scoring record with Wayne Gretzky and attendance, and 0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:46.120 then to get to nine hundred, and then on top 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:47.920 of that, the goalie tried to steal the puck. 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:49.719 I don't know if you saw that. 0:51:50.239 --> 0:51:53.239 They tried to stick that number nine hundred inside his 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:54.800 pads like nobody would notice. 0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:56.319 Did he respond as to why he did he want 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:58.719 the Keith Baker trying to stick at tight movie? Because 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.600 I love that about hockey. I didn't follow up. 0:52:00.640 --> 0:52:02.680 I feel like, there's probably an inside joke there, but 0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:03.920 I thought it was funny. 0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:05.919 If you're any other player, any other team, you don't 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:07.759 you like, hey, you got nine hundred, tap the stick 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.359 for the guy. Give you the team that he did 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:10.200 it against. 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:11.799 You hate him? Yeah, I think you should throw it 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:13.879 in the stand. So that'd be just fire it, fire 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.879 it back in the puck bag. Yeah, I mean, if 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:17.719 you was it, were they at home? Do you know 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.440 I that I don't know. So here's my thought process. 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.520 If I'm the goalie, all right, and I'm at home 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:27.000 and a visitor Alex Ovechkin scores nine hundred, I take 0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.040 the puck, I throw it into the stand. So then 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.359 one of my fans has a chance to profit off 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:34.799 of this. They get either money or they get to 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:38.120 meet Ov or whatever it is. But make make Ov 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.560 work for it, make them go. That's pretty cool though. 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:42.680 That's definitely going to the whole of the things I 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:47.480 think of it. I know, where's the NHL hole name Toronto? Toronto? Okay, 0:52:48.680 --> 0:52:51.759 beautiful to check that out. Never really thought about that, because. 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:54.839 All right, so we have the bile it's tell usual, 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.960 when is the last time, if ever have the Bearcats 0:52:57.000 --> 0:52:58.239 and the Bengals sure to buy. 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:00.360 That's a better question for Dan Horde. He would know 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:01.560 those things, probably would. 0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:02.120 I don't know. 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:04.480 I don't know if I want to say it happened 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:06.880 not that long ago, but maybe maybe not. 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.880 Just weird no football local football this weekend. Yeah, very strange. 0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.200 I'm that too. Okay, So trade deadline hits in the 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.120 fourth the Bengals made one move Logan Wilson. We talked 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.719 about that last time they did got BJ Finny, which 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:19.319 put them over the top, got of the Super Bowl. 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.919 They normally don't they Here's the thing, normally they didn't 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:25.880 do anything. I gotta get from what I hear, they 0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:28.320 actually tried this time, right, They try to make some most. 0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:30.239 Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they were a little bit 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:32.759 more open minded. I don't think the people that run 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.960 the Bengals are stupid people. I think they understand where 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:39.920 this organization is at and where they have deficiencies. And 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:43.680 if you remember, going back to March all the way 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.280 up into this point, anytime the idea of trading someone 0:53:46.320 --> 0:53:49.880 like Trey Henderson or trading anyone came up, it was 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.520 reported that the Bengals were looking for young defensive players 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.960 that could help them this year. So they understand the 0:53:56.000 --> 0:54:00.720 deficiencies of their roster and they look at the value 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:02.520 of draft picks, they look at the value of a 0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.319 great player like Trey Hendrickson, and they say, okay, well 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:08.800 we need to supplement our roster by using these things, 0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.319 and that's gonna make our asking price high. And it 0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:14.680 sounded like asking price was maybe a second round pick. 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.560 But once Quinn Williams was traded to the Dallas Cowboys, 0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:20.040 when a first and second round pick came off the board, 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:21.920 and the Bengals are like, okay, well, maybe we're asking 0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:25.640 too little for Trey Hendrickson here, and teams ultimately weren't 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.759 willing to pony that up. And I think there was internally, 0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.720 I don't know that there was a desire to trade Trey, 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.360 because as much as I say I don't think they're stupid, 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.560 I do think at times they're delusional about how close 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.200 they might be to actually being able to win. 0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:43.920 Yeah, I think to your point about asking too much, 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.520 I mean Colts gave up two first round picks at 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:48.080 twenty six twenty seven for Sauce. 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:51.719 That's a lawful young player under contract and a team 0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:54.399 friendly contract. So as far as you're concerned, if you're 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:57.640 the Colts, worth it. And I love what the Colts 0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.640 owner Carly urs Gordon said to their GM Chris Ballard. 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:01.839 She said, do you want to put a band aid 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:02.920 on it? Or do you want to put a long 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:06.400 term fix at that position? And gave him the choice 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:07.960 to go and get a long term fix, which they 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:08.880 did with saus Gartner. 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:11.080 Yeah, and I guess too. You know they didn't the 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:13.359 short term contracts achievement with Trey any kind of made sense. 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:15.759 But also tells me like they think they can win 0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:19.279 with his team, do you after what I've seen, I 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:20.520 don't think they can win with this team. 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:22.920 I know they can't win with this The defense is 0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:24.880 not good enough. That's what they're doing, and especially if 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:27.080 Trey is out for any period of time, because when 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.359 he's out off the field, it's it's a much much, 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:30.840 much different defense, and it. 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.080 Doesn't guarantee it wins when Oh Burrow comes back. No, 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:34.680 you'd playing great. 0:55:34.760 --> 0:55:36.560 Yeah, I mean we're on the verge now, three straight 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:38.839 years without making the playoffs, and one of those had 0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:42.360 Joe Burrow completely healthy and the other had Burrow completely 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:45.399 healthy for a half So I think they also look 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.759 at it next year and realize they can put the 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:50.880 franchise tag on Trey Hendrickson and it's not going to 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:54.319 be an outrageous amount of money. It would still be 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:56.719 worth having him in their plans if they choose to 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.640 do that. I'm not entirely convinced they will, to be 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:04.399 honest with you, but that it does create options for them. 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.680 I think they could also look at it and say, Okay, well, 0:56:06.719 --> 0:56:08.640 Trey has lost a little bit of value because of 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:10.680 his age and because of his lack of production this 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.760 year and because of his injury. If he comes back 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.560 this season and performs at the level we've seen him 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.040 in the past, that's going to create more value for 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:21.480 him next year and they could be playing the long game. 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:24.479 Okay, So if not Trey, who whould you tag? Would 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.920 they tag? I don't think they would tag anybody. I 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:29.200 don't think there's anybody worth that. Yeah, and Trey is 0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:30.840 the only one as well at that point. Could you 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:31.719 get another year out of him? 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:34.680 Yeah you could. And I think a viable option would 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.400 be to tag him and trade him. 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:36.799 Yeah. 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:40.840 Entirely possible, because if they tag him, it's at twenty 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:44.920 seven million dollars. That would be a steal for any team. 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.920 If he is productive as we've known him to be, 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:50.879 you'll there will be a team that will happily pay 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:52.400 twenty seven million dollars for traders. 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:56.000 Yeah, I heard it. I think it's one of our 0:56:56.080 --> 0:57:00.560 Bengal segments with Rocky and they're marking more talking about 0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:03.000 just bringing guys in from other practice squads just to 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:05.239 see if he could find somebody. Yeah, that sounds like 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.919 a good idea, but in reality, is is that worth 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:08.320 the effort? 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:09.480 Uh? 0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:10.400 Yeah, I would say so. 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:14.280 I think you need to be constantly challenging the guys 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:16.160 that you have on the roster. You should always be 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:18.400 looking to improve what we call the bottom of the roster. 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:22.360 The Bengals did sign a center, Jacob Bear last week, 0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:24.520 so that sort of stuff. I mean, obviously the dealing 0:57:24.520 --> 0:57:27.280 with some injuries on the back end of the offensive line. 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.760 But you know, I think a perfect example of this 0:57:29.880 --> 0:57:33.200 is the safety position. I do not understand why Jordan 0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:37.600 Battle and Geno Stone have gotten every single opportunity. Now, 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:39.959 I don't understand why PJ. Jewles hasn't gotten a chance, 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.840 why Tyson Anderson hasn't gotten a chance, Tyson Anderson is 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:44.520 one of your best special teamers and a guy that 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:45.520 we know can tackle. 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:47.280 I think at this point you just bring guys up. 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:50.320 If you're gonna bench Logan Wilson for the young linebackers, 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:54.320 if you're gonna bench Dalton Reisner or anybody else for 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.240 the young offensive guard in Jalen Rivers, why wouldn't you 0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:59.560 bench the older safeties for a chance to see with 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:01.600 the young guy. Have that that I think is where 0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:04.479 there's some frustration with the coaching staff, is that there's 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.640 imbalance on how they're choosing to implement this plan. 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:10.680 Yeah, well, it's always been confusing down to pay Corp, 0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:12.400 hasn't it. I mean, what do you think is go 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:15.160 down this week? Right right now? The sense of urgency desperation, 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:19.440 I don't know, it depends what you're looking at, like 0:58:20.160 --> 0:58:23.280 who specifically right, I mean, I think I think the 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:25.680 coaches feel a sense of urgency, and I think Al 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:27.680 Golden should feel a sense of urgency. But it doesn't 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:28.840 matter the players. 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:31.760 It's it's embarrassing for him. And yeah, I think some 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:33.720 of the coaches or I think some of the players 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:37.080 should feel that. I mean, they were kind of getting 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.720 after one another after the Bears loss, and you kind 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.960 of saw the knitpack nitpicking and going back and forth. 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:45.320 But yeah, there should be a sense of urgency because 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:47.640 there's a lot of guys that there's spot's not guaranteed 0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:50.480 on this team next year, and if you keep putting 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.400 on tape what you put on tape this year, nobody's 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:53.040 going to be interesting. 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:55.160 And a concern too, is when you start getting guys 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.200 like Tea and Chase Brown and those guys complaining just 0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:00.840 a little bit. Now, sure, a couple losses, it's going 0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:02.160 to be in the full full and disaster in that 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:03.240 locker room. 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:05.640 Yeah, I mean, that's that's the direction that they're heading. 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:07.600 When you have two sides of the ball, they are 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.200 going in polar opposite directions. And the offense is putting 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:12.240 up thirty nine and forty two points in a game 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:15.800 and they can't win. I mean, the offense should be 0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:19.360 upset because the defense is nothing. Is that they're not 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:22.960 doing the little things like the bare minimum of like 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:25.120 when you wake up in the morning, you brush your teeth, 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.680 that's the bare minimum. Yes, the Bengals defense can't do that. 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:34.680 Yeah, it's the fact that they win. I try to 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:35.920 go get some of it gives you a little bit 0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.640 of hope. But again, I think they're delusional in thinking, oh, yeah, 0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:40.520 this is the weird world, will be okay. Well to 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.120 pull it off somehow make the playoffs, like I don't know, man, 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.560 you see him beating the Steelers just again. I just 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:46.600 they don't the way. 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:49.760 Difficult to play in Pittsburgh, and Pittsburgh's coming off a 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:52.320 big win over Indianapolis. I'm sure they have. I think 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:54.800 they have a little bit another tough game this week. 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:58.040 But yeah, no, I said on our show earlier this week, 0:59:58.120 --> 0:59:59.720 I don't expect the Bengals to win another game. 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:01.880 I mean, I'll get the whole AFC right now. I 1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:04.120 don't you know. It's it's such a coin toss in 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.840 the ANFC overall, right now, who do you see? You 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:08.840 can't really rule the Chiefs out. But I don't even 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:10.440 know if the Chiefs make the playoffs at this point. 1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:12.920 I mean, New England's playing pretty well. They seem to 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:16.439 be the Cinderella story this season. The AFC. I don't 1:00:16.440 --> 1:00:18.480 really see that dominant team right now there. 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:20.200 Yeah, I'm a big fan of New England and I've 1:00:20.200 --> 1:00:21.840 been high on them from the beginning of the year. 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:25.200 I still think Buffalo just because of their quarterback and 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:27.240 you know them, you know, having a chance to have 1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:29.280 a home playoff game. I think it's gonna be interesting 1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:32.600 coming down to them in New England. Denver has looked good. 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.600 I mean, they are the number one seed right now 1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:38.000 at eight and two, but they're wildly inconsistent on offense. 1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:39.920 But they have the best pass rush in the NFL 1:00:39.960 --> 1:00:42.640 and that obviously has an impact, and that has a 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:47.000 direct impact on Kansas City because if Kansas City can't 1:00:47.000 --> 1:00:49.040 win that division, then they have to would have to 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:51.240 go on the road and that would be a little 1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:53.680 bit more difficult for them. So yeah, I think it's 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:56.520 it's wide open. Indianapolis kind of got humbled a little 1:00:56.520 --> 1:01:00.360 bit last week against Pittsburgh, but everybody has been in concert. 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:04.439 Everybody has flaws. Nobody is fully buttoned up, which makes 1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:05.800 the race really interesting. 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:08.360 It's gonna be interesting stretch because now it's anyone's last year. 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:10.280 Is a couple teams like the favorites and wind up 1:01:10.320 --> 1:01:12.040 going but you know, it just can't roll Casey out there. 1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:14.720 They're completely eliminated. They will come back in yeah, I mean, 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:16.040 they get the benefit of the doubt. 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:16.560 Yeah. 1:01:16.600 --> 1:01:19.160 Yeah, the reigning AFC champions for the last four years, 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:20.640 like they get the benefit of the doay. 1:01:20.680 --> 1:01:22.440 No, but I can't believe we're halfway through the season though. 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:26.720 I know it's so fast, it's so fast. Yeah, let's 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.360 talk a little e FC Cincinnati to get the crew tomorrow. 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:32.080 And man, we've seen this movie over and over and 1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:34.439 over again. It's getting kind of old now. The match 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:36.400 on Saturday, the wheels kind of fell off. They held 1:01:36.440 --> 1:01:38.680 their own for the first thirty minutes or so that 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:41.240 Miles Robinson got a yellow card in the thirtieth minute, 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:44.000 and then three minutes later Columbus scores and misplayed a 1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:46.760 little bit, and then Uya Kuba gets a red card, 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:48.840 gets tossed or down a man and they get smoked. 1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:52.200 So one one back to Cincy tomorrow tomorrow. 1:01:52.280 --> 1:01:54.560 Yeah, comedy of errors really that let that game get 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:57.000 away from in Columbus. They still have only won one 1:01:57.040 --> 1:01:59.560 time in Columbus since twenty nineteen, which is pretty hard 1:01:59.600 --> 1:02:03.440 to fath But I think coming back here, you know, weekend, 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:07.120 big moment back up against the wall. F C Cincinnati 1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:09.360 has a little bit more experience in this regard. There's 1:02:09.360 --> 1:02:11.600 been a lot of turnover in Columbus, and it goes 1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:14.560 to show like how strong the backbone of that organization is. 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:17.240 That they're right back here in this in this spot. 1:02:17.720 --> 1:02:20.120 But f C Cincinnati has been here before as well. 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:26.200 They've got veteran guys, they've got a good defensive back 1:02:26.280 --> 1:02:28.520 line is the word I'm looking for, and they've shown 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:30.520 the ability to score and especially at home, they're a 1:02:30.600 --> 1:02:33.760 much better team. So I think f C Cincinnati should 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:36.200 be favored. I'm always going to lean towards Pat Noonon 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:38.000 because I think he's one of, if not the best 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:40.680 coaches in Major League soccer. And it's hard not to 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:42.919 think about what would be waiting for them, which would 1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:45.160 be enter Miami and a team that they've had a 1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:47.400 ton of success against. It doesn't matter if Messi's on 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:49.280 the field or not. F C Cincinnati has had a 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:51.520 lot of success against them, and I think they'll be 1:02:51.560 --> 1:02:53.480 foaming at the mouth to get another shot at Miami 1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:53.800 as well. 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:55.320 And you look, I mean, they got their top three guys. 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:57.240 You got Miles Robbins, who got these guys back. There's 1:02:57.280 --> 1:02:59.680 no excuse and not in the first game was like okay, 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:02.800 and they were just pounding them, and then finally Dankee 1:03:02.840 --> 1:03:05.440 scored that goal and it was one nil, but it 1:03:05.440 --> 1:03:06.680 was a lot closer it should have been. And then 1:03:06.720 --> 1:03:09.560 it was an absolute blowout. Last week get in Columbus. 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:13.720 Yeah, curious to see how Pat Noonon adjust because obviously 1:03:13.720 --> 1:03:16.160 Columbus did a really good job of being ready for 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:18.480 that attack in the second game. But I mean it 1:03:18.520 --> 1:03:21.240 was an all out assault in game one that f C. 1:03:21.320 --> 1:03:24.080 Cincinnati put on that Columbus defense, and they held for 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:26.640 a good good points. Should have given up probably two 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.320 goals in the first half. Eventually did give up that 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:31.680 one to den K. But you know, it's a cat 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:36.320 and mouse back and forth between Columbus and and and Cincinnati, 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:37.120 so it should be a good one. 1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:39.480 It's always I mean, it's to see it, but you'd 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:41.520 rather beat the hell out of them because her corble 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:45.080 hell is real. But it's such an awesome contest. Always 1:03:45.080 --> 1:03:49.160 a Derby, the Derby, Derby, the Derby, Yes, Derby, but 1:03:49.240 --> 1:03:53.640 said Derby. It's not Derby. It's Derby, right, Yes, yeah, 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:56.040 that's what they say, Derby the Derby. We love the 1:03:56.040 --> 1:03:58.840 English the Derby. Yeah, but it's fine. It's such a 1:03:58.880 --> 1:03:59.480 good rivalry. 1:03:59.480 --> 1:04:02.200 It is, and you're trying to you're still thinking back 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:03.680 to just a couple of years ago in the Eastern 1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:07.080 Conference finals where Columbus put together that comeback to knock 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:09.280 you off and knock you out of MLS Cup. So 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:11.760 I'm sure that's on their minds as well. Doubt about it. 1:04:11.760 --> 1:04:12.919 All right, So what time t game to morrow? 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:17.040 That's a good question. I have not gotten today. Seven o'clock, 1:04:17.080 --> 1:04:20.240 I believe, So I'm sorry for not knowing that. I've 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:23.200 been preparing for tonight's show and my other show. I 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:26.440 know it's tomorrow. It's six, six o'clock. Six, That's what 1:04:26.480 --> 1:04:29.200 I said, six o'clock, six o'clock. Yeah, six o'clock. Because 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:31.320 I'm my schedule here for tomorrow, the eighth of November. 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:34.680 I've got soup night at Mackenzie's. Don't know my soup night. 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:39.320 McKenzie's my daughter. For who's McKenzie my daughter's friend? Who's 1:04:39.320 --> 1:04:39.920 on her calendar? 1:04:39.920 --> 1:04:40.200 I don't know. 1:04:40.280 --> 1:04:42.480 I've heard count you have a shared family, I guess, 1:04:42.480 --> 1:04:44.520 And she's put soup night, so that's been what kind 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:44.800 of soup? 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:45.360 I don't know? 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:45.720 All right? 1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:48.480 Can you send me the address I might show up? 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:50.600 I got. I'm a big super guy crew, and then 1:04:50.600 --> 1:04:54.280 I got hockey at seven o'clock on Saturday, What do 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:55.200 you got a big show today? 1:04:55.200 --> 1:05:00.360 And it's sick for Puck For the Puck. We'll talk 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:03.479 more about FC Cincenni and Columbus Tommy g the Voice 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:05.959 of the Orange and Blue. At two o'clock, we'll also 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:08.360 talk Bengals and some Reds. The Reds have made some 1:05:08.400 --> 1:05:11.600 news with Charlie Goldsmith. At one o'clock, we make our 1:05:11.640 --> 1:05:14.600 weekend picks, our Friday pick them, including high school. 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:15.480 What about? 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:16.360 What about? 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:19.439 I'll tell you what you want to talk about? Down 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:22.680 and dirty, cold rain? That's right? What a fall from grace? 1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:26.600 You know what you're gonna get. You're gonna get five 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:30.000 across the lips. If you keep that up, big mouth, 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:34.320 You're a clown. You're a clown. How often do you 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:37.320 do that to his face? I don't see him all 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:39.960 that much because he's in his little studio, but I 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:40.560 don't mind doing it. 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:42.360 Right. He was just out there holding court with the 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:44.320 sales guys. Oh of course, yeah, she loves to do. 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:45.640 Let me tell you say, is that right? 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:47.880 Yeah? Okay? And they talk about the glory days of 1:05:47.960 --> 1:05:51.479 nineteen eighties, him and him and Tom Horan talking about 1:05:51.560 --> 1:05:54.400 sixties fax machines work. Yeah, well come, you can't get 1:05:54.400 --> 1:05:59.920 a good Fax machine anymore. Oh, anyway, and here it is. 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:02.000 That's it right there. So what do you got to 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:03.520 Night at six, big mouth? You know what? 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:08.120 I'm going to dispel a narrative about Joe Burrow and 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:11.120 Joe Flacco. There is a narrative out there about these 1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:14.440 two Bengals quarterbacks that is deeply misguided. 1:06:14.600 --> 1:06:15.280 Oh I love that. 1:06:15.360 --> 1:06:21.000 And the facts, the facts, Sloaney, Yes, disagree with the people. 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:25.040 They don't. Okay, the people disagree with the fact. Yes, okay, 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:29.000 Austin tonight, that's to Night and six prior to Bearcats, 1:06:29.760 --> 1:06:31.480 that guy, I owe you a SEG talkback for your 1:06:31.480 --> 1:06:38.000 show today. Please do Phil Dennison over at ESPN fifteen thirty. 1:06:38.080 --> 1:06:40.040 Sloony on seven hundred w all. 1:06:39.960 --> 1:06:42.000 Them want to be an American? 1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:45.919 Got flown on seven hundred w aw. There's now less 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:50.000 of us to love. Obesity rates plummeting simply because we 1:06:50.080 --> 1:06:52.960 have these GLP one injections O zempic with GOVI monjourno, 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:56.760 and you think it's crazy. Now Trump administration announced deals 1:06:56.800 --> 1:07:00.280 with Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly is going over the 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:03.640 costs of those drugs for many Americans, including people on Medicaid, 1:07:04.200 --> 1:07:06.760 and it's gonna be a lot cheaper to get healthier. 1:07:07.320 --> 1:07:09.280 Now you can lose up to thirty pounds. It's like 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:10.880 the sweet spot right there, which would help a lot 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:14.000 of Americans for sure. Obedially, the rates they're dropping, people 1:07:14.040 --> 1:07:16.440 are buying new clothes, people buying closes are at a 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:19.360 record because you're not fitting into the old stuff or 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:21.760 feeling good. So what you need to know about this 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:23.320 if you're on the rigin guy, I couldn't afford it 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:25.960 before and now because of the deal, now I can 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:28.400 and you're gonna get on this stuff. He's doctor Saldre 1:07:28.440 --> 1:07:31.160 Johnny with the Men's Health Network. He's a pharmacist by trade, 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:34.720 the guy to ask about drugs and specifically GLP ones. 1:07:35.400 --> 1:07:38.400 Doctor Sale, good morning, how are you? Yeah, Good morning, Scott. 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:43.560 These are clinically called GLP one agonists, which is a 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:46.080 very technical term for a man. This stuff works really 1:07:46.120 --> 1:07:49.000 really well, So let's jump into it. How exactly does 1:07:49.040 --> 1:07:51.720 this particular class of drugs work that are brought by 1:07:51.720 --> 1:07:54.200 two companies. There's I think four of them. And more 1:07:54.200 --> 1:07:56.400 are probably going to join the marketplace anytime soon. But 1:07:56.480 --> 1:07:59.720 ozempic and Manjaro are the two big competing ones. How 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:00.920 do they work in your body? 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:04.360 What do they do ammigulity as well? Well? As you said, 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:08.720 they suppress appetite, but they also have other activities, and 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:12.280 we're just learning more and more and more about just 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:16.439 what the long and the broad implications of these medications 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:20.680 are on overall body physiology. So they do decrease the 1:08:20.720 --> 1:08:23.719 amount of clebohydrates that are absorbed. They make you feel 1:08:23.880 --> 1:08:29.000 fuller faster. They also decrease gas protecting so you feel 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:32.519 for for longer and that helps you suppress appetite. We're 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:38.920 also finding that these medicines and it's not quite well understood. 1:08:39.360 --> 1:08:41.639 That may be a surprise to some in your audience, 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.720 but there are still many things about many commonly used 1:08:44.760 --> 1:08:47.800 medicines that we're still learning about, and that's just the 1:08:47.840 --> 1:08:52.680 science of medication. They also do things, For example, they 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:56.679 help protect the kidneys from renal failure, chronic kiding disease, 1:08:57.640 --> 1:09:00.879 and there's other agents that we all see on TDB 1:09:01.040 --> 1:09:04.240 advertised for menagement, chronic incites. They're in the same sort 1:09:04.280 --> 1:09:07.800 of class of family. We're also finding secondary effects of 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:12.439 these medications, maybe in fat deposition or how fat is 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:15.320 redistributed throughout the body. So there are a lot of 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:18.240 things that we're learning. I do want to just spell 1:09:18.280 --> 1:09:22.240 one thing. There isn't a brand new medications. These STLP 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:27.880 and GOP medications have been used in the management diabetes 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:31.479 type two diabetes, Doban said, it will used to be 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:35.040 called for many, many, many years. So what we're actually 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:39.439 doing now is where and we saw weight loss in 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:44.640 diabetic patients and it was an absolutely fantastically important parameter 1:09:44.800 --> 1:09:47.920 that we used to encourage patients to stay on their 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:52.920 medications because the patients felt better, lost weight, looked better, 1:09:53.439 --> 1:09:56.120 had more energy. And it wasn't just the management to 1:09:56.160 --> 1:10:00.920 their googos, it was also the weight loss just exploiting 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:06.639 this well well known side effect of the medication the manager. 1:10:06.640 --> 1:10:11.640 A rather terrible problem in the American public and involve 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:14.520 countries ro all over the world is obesity. 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:17.679 Yeah. Another what you and your professional called off label 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:19.680 using it's intended for one thing and they find out 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:22.040 that the side effects or there's added benefit for something 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:24.360 else and it goes in an entirely different direction. And that 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:26.640 is the I guess the miracle of modern medicine and 1:10:26.640 --> 1:10:30.679 pharmaceuticals for sure. And so we see these drugs mimic 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:33.120 the action of a hormone and you produce more insulin 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:36.720 and your digestive system, you eat less and therefore the 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:40.760 weight starts to come off too. Originally prescribed for diabetes, 1:10:40.760 --> 1:10:43.400 as you just said too. One of the issues though, 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:46.800 is that we may be over medicalizing this is what 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:50.040 you call this, that that structurally people are just writing 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:53.200 scripts or this and it may not be indicated for 1:10:53.479 --> 1:10:56.080 that particular disease. Who should be on it, who shouldn't 1:10:56.080 --> 1:10:56.400 be on it? 1:10:57.520 --> 1:11:02.280 Well, that's that's a huge judgment called. Certainly, I think 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:05.719 we can all agree that obesity and there's a strict 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:11.439 medical definition of ABC. That's just staatee of time for many, 1:11:11.479 --> 1:11:17.120 many decades, with body weights over thirty two, body masks 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:21.600 over thirty two, those individuals should be on this medication 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.920 and it can really make a huge difference in every 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:29.440 aspect of their life. Then you have individuals who are overweight. 1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:36.559 Probably twenty to thirty percent of those individuals who are 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:41.200 need to medication now are just playing overweight. That's a 1:11:41.280 --> 1:11:45.519 judgment call. When having and carrying too much weight for 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:51.160 a long periods of times, affecting gait, joints, ability to 1:11:51.320 --> 1:11:59.519 enjoy life, breathing, other blood pressure, other metabolic functions. Then 1:11:59.600 --> 1:12:02.200 there is an important considerations they can do the fact 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:05.479 that you know sure bringing down the weight using medication 1:12:06.040 --> 1:12:08.439 may be an appropriate thing to do. In a third 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:11.679 category are the ones I call sort of the vanity set, 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:14.920 where use it to lose maybe five pounds so you 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:18.200 can look a little better in your swimsuit, or maybe 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:21.160 you're going out and you're getting ready for prom or 1:12:21.240 --> 1:12:24.240 wedding or some other social event and you want to 1:12:24.280 --> 1:12:26.200 lose a little bit of weight. I think that that 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:30.000 is probably not a particularly good use of the medication, 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:35.880 regardless of whether there is a supply issue or not. 1:12:37.120 --> 1:12:40.160 You did bring up a supply issue earlier on, and 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:42.679 I think that that's going to correct over the next 1:12:43.120 --> 1:12:48.160 two years. Literally one of the main players in this field, 1:12:48.160 --> 1:12:51.800 with Majarro and other products following, is just invested five 1:12:51.960 --> 1:12:55.719 billion with a big dollars in new plants to help 1:12:56.320 --> 1:13:00.080 develop manufacturing techniques, and that will always bring down the 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:03.640 costs of the medication over the next several years. So 1:13:03.680 --> 1:13:06.360 I think supply is not really the issue. He issue 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:10.040 was the ethics of how to better manage obesity. 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:13.480 Doctor Saladeer Johnny for the Men's Health Network is a 1:13:13.520 --> 1:13:16.519 doctor pharmacy, and we're talking about the Trump administration now 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:19.599 opening the floodgates for GLP ones. That's the weight loss rug, 1:13:19.640 --> 1:13:23.680 the manjuros, those kind of drugs will go vian ozempic 1:13:24.000 --> 1:13:25.560 to help people whose weight and now it's going to 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:28.680 be available on Medicare, Medicaid and people are going to 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:30.720 be able to drop up to about thirty pounds to 1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:33.200 what this is injectable, right, and so it's like anything, 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:35.040 you know, when this first came out on the scene 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:37.280 a few years ago, it was very expensive, like one 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:40.080 thousand dollars a month. And now we have pills developed, 1:13:40.200 --> 1:13:43.679 we have online pharmacies that are dispensing this as well, 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:45.920 and now that the government's evolve, we're going to see 1:13:45.920 --> 1:13:48.160 the price drop even more because at one time this 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:52.400 was really really cost for I like, like any new technology. 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:55.759 Yes that is true. Well I don't know if people 1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:58.760 are paying that, but someone is paying now your house 1:13:58.800 --> 1:14:00.600 care plan, which is why I think, you know, the 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:04.360 ethics of managing obesity is clear where you have those 1:14:04.560 --> 1:14:08.599 people with huge body mass indexes. But there isn't actually 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:11.080 a pill. Just one quick point, get there is an 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:14.640 oral form with all the out there, it works. It 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:17.880 works quite well for lots and lots of folks. It's 1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:22.080 probably not the most effective or efficacious, but it certainly 1:14:22.120 --> 1:14:24.880 works for many many people. And there are, as you 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:28.760 said correctly, several oral agents. The problem is that the 1:14:28.920 --> 1:14:33.919 manufacturing techniques to make this medication. Because it's a protein, 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:38.120 it's a pep gide, it's something that's not generally absorbable 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:41.519 from the gastro intestinal system. You have to do all 1:14:41.560 --> 1:14:46.719 sorts of pharmaceutical tricks to make it absorbable into the system. 1:14:46.840 --> 1:14:50.439 Because there are some folks who still are needle averse. 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:54.599 There are other things to consider about this. To Scott, 1:14:54.600 --> 1:14:59.160 I think we have seen every generation has their quote 1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:02.400 unquote mirror drug. We've seen it with oral contraception, as 1:15:02.400 --> 1:15:06.400 we've seen it with cholesterol medications. We've seen it with antidepressants. 1:15:06.640 --> 1:15:12.240 We've seen it with fillers for wrinkles, you know, for 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:16.160 cosmetic purposes. We've seen it over and over and over again. 1:15:16.200 --> 1:15:20.240 But they all play out to be have one underlying 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:23.760 precept that makes for good clinical care, which is you 1:15:23.880 --> 1:15:27.479 just can't take the drug, you probably have to change 1:15:27.520 --> 1:15:29.880 some of the things in your life to make that 1:15:29.960 --> 1:15:33.160 drug really work. The first lesson I learned in plumacology 1:15:33.800 --> 1:15:37.799 way back when in the sixties is that drugs rarely 1:15:37.880 --> 1:15:40.000 can do anything that the body can't do itself, and 1:15:40.040 --> 1:15:43.920 the body giesel. So so what we're seeing also is 1:15:43.960 --> 1:15:46.800 the downside of these medications, where you have an over 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:52.000 reliance on a technology to do something that essentially requires 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:56.760 you as a person to do, which has changed your lifestyle, 1:15:56.840 --> 1:16:00.080 your nutrition, your exercise habits so that you have it 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:03.880 along and what we're seeing, along with some of the 1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:07.160 other not particularly dangerous side effects, and there are some 1:16:07.240 --> 1:16:09.840 dangerous side effects. What we're seeing also that people who 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:13.040 go off these medications every year are gaining back the 1:16:13.080 --> 1:16:15.519 weight to become very very frustrated. They have to go 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:18.360 back into all the clothes that they put on the side, 1:16:18.920 --> 1:16:22.719 uh have and they're very frustrated and in some cases, 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:25.720 uh in some cases, and of course that the weight 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:30.360 cane is even more because the eating habits have evolved. 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:34.200 So I think you know, as with most medications for 1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:39.680 diabetes or high blood pressure, or you know cholesterol, you 1:16:39.840 --> 1:16:43.839 have to change and get into a more holistic management 1:16:43.880 --> 1:16:45.599 of your own personal care. 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:50.120 Yeah, now that makes sense. But I also think there's 1:16:50.120 --> 1:16:51.559 a stigma. I think a lot of people see this 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:53.600 as cheating. Well, you know, it's you, you're taking a 1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:56.680 hard way out, and so there's a stigma. I think 1:16:56.680 --> 1:16:58.400 with even being on the drug. You want to inject 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:00.599 yourself with this crap, and and what the long term 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:03.120 effects and oh my god, why don't you just quit eating? 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:05.000 You know, that's true in a lot of cases. I 1:17:05.040 --> 1:17:06.720 think if you're looking to lose you know, five or 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:09.880 ten pounds, and who isn't it's more of a vanity thing. 1:17:09.920 --> 1:17:12.280 But there are people who are as you know, clinically 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:16.080 obese that have tried a lifetime of diets and fads 1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:18.160 and sticking with it, and then you know, there's only 1:17:18.200 --> 1:17:21.880 so long you can restrict calories and exercise, and you know, 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:23.840 the needle doesn't move that much. And I know people 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:26.479 in my family, for example, same thing. It's like they 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:30.280 really eat small portions and still can't manage to lose 1:17:30.280 --> 1:17:34.360 the weight, especially women after childbirth, because your body changes. 1:17:34.479 --> 1:17:37.439 As a physiology thing going on there, This seems to 1:17:37.479 --> 1:17:39.800 be a drug to help them get where they want 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:41.599 to be, and it's better for your body and your 1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:44.479 mind and your soul. And so therefore, I think for 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:47.120 folks like that who have tried everything and it's just 1:17:47.160 --> 1:17:50.600 not working and have restricted their calories with very to 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:54.360 little effect, this is a godsend for them. 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:58.599 Yeah, you bring up a very important point which weighs 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:01.720 into this whole matter of the ethics of how you 1:18:01.840 --> 1:18:03.640 manage obesity or. 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:05.520 Just overweight conditions. 1:18:06.560 --> 1:18:09.400 As we learn more and more and more about the condition, 1:18:11.320 --> 1:18:14.439 everything points to is that in many individuals, not just 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:18.479 a small percentage of individuals, but many individuals who have 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:23.439 had higher than average or higher than appropriate weight levels 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:25.600 for the majority of their lives. Since there we're in 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:31.920 their teens, it's physiologic, not just a lazy individual's bad habits. 1:18:32.160 --> 1:18:36.120 That there's a physiological reason why these things happen. We 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:39.640 see that in other parts of medicine there is physiologically 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:44.680 induced or hereditarily induced hypercholesterolmia. That's not a large population, 1:18:44.760 --> 1:18:48.200 but it exists. We see it. Certainly, diabetes is an 1:18:48.240 --> 1:18:52.800 inborn error of metabolism that's physiologically inherited. You just can't 1:18:52.840 --> 1:18:55.040 beat it. It's there, it's what it is. You have 1:18:55.080 --> 1:18:57.719 to deal with it. We see it in high blood pressure, 1:18:57.800 --> 1:19:01.800 we see it in hormone levelsroid levels. So there are many, 1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:06.599 many areas in natient care where we see the fact 1:19:06.640 --> 1:19:10.000 that it's not just allowsy lifestyle or a poor lifestylewer 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:15.200 poor choices. There are actual physiological and psychological reasons why 1:19:15.240 --> 1:19:18.040 this happens. And in some cases it's also because of 1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:22.280 what we call food deserts. Access to good, nutritious food 1:19:22.760 --> 1:19:28.160 is limited for various reasons, economically or sociologically, So there 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:32.680 are there As with most things, it's not a simple acid. 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:37.320 So to deny those individuals management of weight with all 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:45.200 of the benefits in terms of movement disorders, homstritis, lifestyle, 1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:49.240 encouragement of exercise, to deny them the management of those 1:19:50.320 --> 1:19:54.040 inborn errors of metabolism if you will, because you have 1:19:54.160 --> 1:19:57.240 a mindset that is, because you're lazy. I think it's 1:19:57.280 --> 1:20:00.400 inappropriate and hopefully we'll become out moted. 1:20:01.720 --> 1:20:04.559 Yeah, no matter how hard you try, it's impossible. It see, 1:20:04.600 --> 1:20:06.599 it is a weakness, and just well restrict your calori 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:09.200 as well. If your metabolism's broken, I mean, you wouldn't 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:10.840 do that too. I don't know, like a cancer patient 1:20:10.920 --> 1:20:12.960 or somebody in a wheelchair, but we do it to 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:15.880 obese people all the time. What are the long term 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:19.360 consequences that we think? This has been prescribed a long time, 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:21.240 as you said, for diabetics, and now we're seeing a 1:20:21.400 --> 1:20:25.719 use off label for obesity. But the concern is adverse 1:20:25.800 --> 1:20:28.280 side effects. I know self harm was an issue here 1:20:28.320 --> 1:20:30.120 as well. But what are we seeing and what do 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:31.599 you think is going to happen over the long term 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:35.320 for long term passions, especially now with Trump working a 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:37.559 deal out to lower the prices and get it on medicare. 1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:42.160 Well, that is a huge one hundred and fifty billion 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:42.840 dollar question. 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:43.559 Yes it is. 1:20:44.720 --> 1:20:47.560 You've got the answers. You got all the answers. 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:51.519 Well, my crystal ball was a little foggy today, but 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:54.000 on this but I do think one thing that I've 1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:56.880 learned over the decades of doing this is that there's 1:20:56.960 --> 1:21:01.160 something you're going to get your specially or October surprised 1:21:01.200 --> 1:21:06.080 when you see the use of medication being going through 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:10.000 these huge numbers and huge percentage of populations, things that 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:13.200 you just didn't expect. You're going to see it because 1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:17.880 that one half of one percent of the side effect 1:21:17.960 --> 1:21:21.360 that you didn't see in fifty thousand or five hundred 1:21:21.360 --> 1:21:24.280 thousand or five million people is going to show up 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:26.400 when you go into you know, five billion people, which 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:31.479 is possible. So I don't know what the FUSHA holds. 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:34.599 What we're seeing now are other sorts of things. Some 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:39.200 of them are dangerous, such as paralytic problems with the 1:21:39.280 --> 1:21:46.920 guestwer intestinal system is severe cramping, terrible nausea, on remitting nausea, 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:50.680 problems with kidneys, and the development of other sort of 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:54.400 pancreatic sort of problems. We already know that they can't 1:21:54.439 --> 1:21:58.719 have certain adverse effects, and individuals who have a history 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:03.760 of a familial family history of thyroid type cancers and diseases. 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:08.480 We're also seeing shifts in how body fat is distributed, 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:11.640 and it's the so called ozembic face. You know that 1:22:11.800 --> 1:22:15.320 the tag that particular drug is a radium where the 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:19.439 fat is redistributed in ways that make for an odd 1:22:19.479 --> 1:22:24.479 looking or a change in facial contours that's manageable. We're 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:28.880 also seeing some people are worried about loss of muscle mass, 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:31.559 which is not necessarily a good thing, which is why, 1:22:31.600 --> 1:22:35.600 as you mentioned earlier on food companies to respond to 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:38.800 the market changes. They're coming up with products that have 1:22:39.040 --> 1:22:42.360 higher concentrations of protein to help address some of the 1:22:42.360 --> 1:22:48.160 skeletal muscle losses that we're seeing with the medications. Beyond that, though, 1:22:48.200 --> 1:22:53.120 these are relatively safe medications, and that's a long list, 1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:55.559 so you know, I don't mean to be trivial about it, 1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:59.519 but these are relatively safe medications. But we just don't 1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:02.040 know what happens when you put it in five billion 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:05.760 people for long periods of time. We'll have to see. 1:23:05.840 --> 1:23:08.479 And that's the that's the art and the science of 1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:12.320 medicine y monitoring these things over a long period of 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:16.240 time and making important decisions to change how you do things. 1:23:16.479 --> 1:23:17.439 Will you learn more? 1:23:18.040 --> 1:23:20.000 Yeah, we'll just come out of another drug to fix 1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:24.640 whatever this causes. And so it goes Uh Doctor Salvator 1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:28.160 geor Johnny doctor Pharmacy, the Men's Health Network, thanks again 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:29.839 so much for the time of the insight. Always appreciate 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:30.280 your stuff. 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:33.000 My pleasure. 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:35.960 Ye out that the Trump adminstration struck a deal with 1:23:36.000 --> 1:23:38.280 the manufacturers. We see the price drop even more. It's 1:23:38.280 --> 1:23:40.400 gonna be more accessible, more people on it than Medicare 1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:42.960 is involved, so it's even more and more people, and 1:23:43.120 --> 1:23:44.840 we're gonna have a flood of thinner people. But you 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:47.120 wonder long term effects and how this is going to 1:23:47.200 --> 1:23:49.639 change things always happens right the pebble and the pond thing. 1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:52.960 It's those ripples way out near the edges of the 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:55.559 pond as opposed to the epicenter of it. You always 1:23:55.760 --> 1:23:57.680 see that later on. Who knows we'll find out, but 1:23:58.240 --> 1:24:02.160 there you go. That's happening today, News Today, News here 1:24:02.320 --> 1:24:05.360 right now on seven hundred WOLW. And when we return 1:24:05.400 --> 1:24:08.320 to the show, it's Brocanny. Allie's out. Today's taking a 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:10.799 early Thanksgiving with the fam out on the East coast. 1:24:10.800 --> 1:24:14.599 So she has a very interesting role in Hollywood. If 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:18.400 you like the sex scenes in movies, film and shows. 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:21.719 She is behind all that stuff. What that's her job 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:24.240 to get people to hook up on camera. Her name 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:26.639 is Brocanney. Don't the show next on this Friday morning, 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:30.280 Scot's loan seven hundred WLWT Cincinnati plum Stretch here with 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:33.720 Sloani on seven hundred w well w Alli off day. 1:24:33.800 --> 1:24:35.559 Kind of last one's position. She's got like a pickle 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:38.879 ball because she does the American Pickleball Tour, whatever that is. Professional, 1:24:39.080 --> 1:24:40.920 or maybe it's something bourbon. She has a cool job. 1:24:40.960 --> 1:24:43.360 Bourbon and pickleball. That's a cool job, he thinks. Man, 1:24:43.400 --> 1:24:45.080 I got a cool sloona. You got a great job. 1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:46.800 You sit there and talk for three hours. It's a 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:49.200 pretty good job. I'll be honest with you. But there 1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:50.760 are jobs out there. You look over your shoulder, go, well, 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:52.840 that seems like a cool job. Here's one for you. 1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:59.040 Intimacy coordinator. What do you think that is? Intimacy coordinator. So, 1:24:59.320 --> 1:25:02.439 if you've ever a movie or shell whatever it is, 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:05.400 or even theater for that matter, and you wonder how 1:25:05.439 --> 1:25:08.040 they do the sex scenes, this is the lady who 1:25:08.160 --> 1:25:12.280 orchestrates and choreographs the sex scenes. An intimacy coordinator. Name 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:13.639 is Brook Haney Broke. Welcome to show. 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:14.080 How are you? 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.160 I'm good? Thanks so much for having me, Scott. 1:25:17.040 --> 1:25:19.120 Yeah, appreciate it. How in the hell do you when 1:25:19.160 --> 1:25:21.160 you're selling this to your folks and go, here's what 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:25.200 I want to do with my life to be able 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:26.960 to have sex and movies. What about that? 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:27.599 Mom and dad? 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:29.040 Oh? 1:25:29.160 --> 1:25:32.559 Yeah, you know, depending on your parents, they are either 1:25:32.680 --> 1:25:37.200 thrilled for you or they're really not. But I try 1:25:37.200 --> 1:25:40.800 and emphasize my parents are actually incredibly conservative. I try 1:25:40.800 --> 1:25:44.200 to empathize with them the safety part of the job 1:25:44.240 --> 1:25:48.040 that I'm helping actors have space to articulate their boundaries 1:25:48.040 --> 1:25:50.240 and consent so that folks aren't doing anything they don't 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:50.559 want to do. 1:25:50.680 --> 1:25:51.080 Interesting. 1:25:51.080 --> 1:25:53.920 And then with my friends I talk about the choreography. 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:57.519 Oh, I'm sure that it's NonStop questions a brook about this, 1:25:57.600 --> 1:25:59.200 that and the other thing. I know, it's like, well 1:25:59.200 --> 1:26:00.720 what about this person? Did you do this? And how 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:03.280 does this work? And it really is fascinating. And there's 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:06.440 how many intimacy coordinators are there in Hollywood? 1:26:07.720 --> 1:26:10.320 You know, that's a good question, And I'm not entirely sure. 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:13.479 There's a little less than one hundred on the SAG 1:26:14.040 --> 1:26:18.120 after a registry, but there are plenty of qualified folks 1:26:18.160 --> 1:26:21.160 that aren't working on the SAG registry. But I would 1:26:21.280 --> 1:26:26.120 guess maybe less than three hundred that are like working regularly, 1:26:26.280 --> 1:26:27.200 but I could be wrong. 1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:30.280 That's a cool job. So you know, we see this 1:26:30.360 --> 1:26:32.080 and go, oh wow, they're gonna they're gonna have some 1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:34.160 I you know, as a guy, go wow, I may 1:26:34.160 --> 1:26:36.200 see boobs. This is pretty good. You know, A fourteen 1:26:36.280 --> 1:26:39.920 year old kid or girls. I'm sure the opposite. But 1:26:40.479 --> 1:26:42.080 I guess what you do is if I looked at 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:45.040 it from a scientific standpoint as an art I guess 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:48.760 you're just you're you're like a sexual choreographer or is 1:26:48.800 --> 1:26:50.160 that diminishing what you do? 1:26:51.080 --> 1:26:53.439 No, that is not. That is a very very accurate 1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:59.080 description of it. It's about making something fake look real 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:04.840 on camera, and it's you know, for the actors and 1:27:05.080 --> 1:27:09.600 crew and everyone, it's sometimes the least sexy moments of 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:14.200 acting because it's very technical, but hopefully it looks if 1:27:14.240 --> 1:27:15.800 the goal is for it to look sexy, hopefully it 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:16.920 looks really sexy. 1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:19.839 On screen, right right, Yeah. And it's such a fascinating 1:27:19.840 --> 1:27:22.880 description too, because is it like a I don't like 1:27:22.920 --> 1:27:25.280 a fight scene or an action scene and everything had, 1:27:25.439 --> 1:27:28.479 you know, with a fight scene or stuff blowing up 1:27:28.479 --> 1:27:31.680 in a Tom Cruise movie. You're talking about, well, pyrotechnics 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:34.000 and people can get hurt, blind death, that kind of stuff. 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:36.840 Nobody's really dying having fake sex on camera, but still 1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:39.680 there's got to be some sort of you block everything out, 1:27:39.720 --> 1:27:40.040 don't you. 1:27:41.280 --> 1:27:46.240 That's actually a really great comparison. I have a book 1:27:46.280 --> 1:27:48.479 that I just came out called The Intimacy Coordinator's guide 1:27:48.479 --> 1:27:51.120 book Specialties for Stage and Screen, and one of the 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:55.839 first chapters is several fight directors talking about the difference 1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:59.120 between fight and intimacy and the similarities. And these are 1:27:59.120 --> 1:28:03.680 folks that have they do both, try remos moderate the discussion, 1:28:04.240 --> 1:28:09.600 and it's actually very very similar similar in that you 1:28:10.560 --> 1:28:13.200 have to choreographic moment by moment. You have to make 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:17.720 sure you know, nothing actually goes where it's not supposed to. 1:28:18.200 --> 1:28:20.479 You know, you don't want to to actually hit a 1:28:20.520 --> 1:28:24.479 face very often, so I. 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:26.960 Kind of make it on screen and there's grabbing and 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:29.320 groping and all that other stuff. It's like it's all 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:33.320 laid out. Every move is is dictated like a dancer. 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:36.000 The most are yeah, you know, I'll ask an actor 1:28:36.000 --> 1:28:39.679 what their boundaries are, okay, and then we'll work within 1:28:39.720 --> 1:28:44.240 those boundaries. And some actors want every single moment choreographed 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:48.559 to the tee, like beat by beat, and some actors 1:28:48.600 --> 1:28:50.320 would more like an outline, like we're going to go 1:28:50.360 --> 1:28:53.240 from here to here to hear and these are the 1:28:53.280 --> 1:28:55.680 places that are on limits. But let's talk about the 1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:57.559 story and how we tell the story in a way 1:28:57.560 --> 1:29:01.400 that's compelling. And they want a little more freedom. But yeah, 1:29:01.400 --> 1:29:04.160 for the most part, it is moment by moment blocked 1:29:04.200 --> 1:29:06.320 out so that it tells that story interesting. 1:29:06.400 --> 1:29:09.840 Brooke Haney is a intimacy coordinator. She's the person on 1:29:09.880 --> 1:29:12.000 a movie set or in theater. You do this theater too, 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:16.599 I suppose, or film who coordinates the sex scenes, much 1:29:16.680 --> 1:29:20.880 like a fight scene or a action scene. It's all choreographed, 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:23.320 all right. The biggest question I'm sure you get all 1:29:23.320 --> 1:29:24.640 the time is, all right, so you guy and a 1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:28.080 girl are hooking up and fake hooking up here, what 1:29:28.120 --> 1:29:30.400 do you do about the obvious thing that guys have 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:33.200 that women don't. What do you do about the junk? 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:34.960 If you know, if the if little all of us 1:29:35.000 --> 1:29:36.720 and the twins come out to say, hi, how do 1:29:36.760 --> 1:29:38.920 you control that? Do you tape it down? What goes 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:40.679 on there? What goes on down there? 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:43.360 You know? I get that question actually a lot from 1:29:43.360 --> 1:29:46.519 actors in their private meetings. What happens if this happens? 1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:47.120 What happened? 1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:49.960 And I tell them, you know, hey, just tell me 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:53.599 you're feeling a little cold, and then I'll say, oh, yeah, 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:56.160 it is Jillian. Here, let's do some jumping jack to 1:29:56.280 --> 1:29:59.000 warm ourselves up. And that just sends the blood somewhere 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:00.160 else and then we're good to go. 1:30:01.120 --> 1:30:03.639 So I thought there'd be some sort of prosthetic or device, 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:05.880 or there'd be like some sort of harness or rigging 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:09.160 going on there that they bring you know, those guys 1:30:09.160 --> 1:30:11.960 into to strap stuff down. Not at all, got it? 1:30:12.320 --> 1:30:15.880 Well, I mean all of those things exist also, but 1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:20.240 not necessarily specifically for that purpose. If we have a prosthetic, 1:30:20.400 --> 1:30:24.400 that's because we're going to actually see genitalia and either 1:30:24.400 --> 1:30:28.120 the actor doesn't want to use theirs or if it's erect, 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:32.280 for an example, we can't show an actual erect giness 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:38.639 on Can I say that on radio? I did on screen? 1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:41.680 So it has to be a prosthetic. Yeah, and then 1:30:41.760 --> 1:30:46.320 there are barriers that go between actors if we're simulating sex, 1:30:46.920 --> 1:30:50.280 so and that is meant to reduce sensation and prevent 1:30:50.320 --> 1:30:55.639 the exchange of fluids. But but yeah, that's only if 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:57.559 we're simulating sex. If it's just like a bunch of 1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:01.160 making out which someone could get aroused from, there wouldn't 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:03.960 necessarily be anything taping anything down. 1:31:04.600 --> 1:31:06.840 Okay, Well, I mean both parties know that you're a 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:09.160 professional in this regard to as good as it looks, 1:31:09.160 --> 1:31:11.160 You're still doing a job and you may not be 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:13.840 into that person, but it's what the job require. So 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:16.679 I totally understand that. I think we tend to probably 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:19.680 look at that more peering interests. We're like, it's a 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:22.400 lot more sexy than it is, and it's probably with 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:24.280 the lights and cameras around and a bunch of people 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:27.000 like yourself barking at them, probably not sexy at all. 1:31:27.760 --> 1:31:29.559 I mean, that's exactly what I was about to say, 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:32.879 is no one, it's very rare to get super aroused 1:31:32.880 --> 1:31:35.439 when there's a bunch of people looking at you with 1:31:35.520 --> 1:31:37.200 microphones in your face, and. 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:41.560 Yeah, you're little inches away from what it is you're portraying. 1:31:41.600 --> 1:31:45.280 It's like, well, that's nothing's going on here. So in 1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:50.479 that regard, is the couples, either heterosexual or homosexual, are 1:31:50.520 --> 1:31:52.719 in the act of doing this, and you've got cameras 1:31:52.760 --> 1:31:55.320 and lighting and all sorts of people behind the scenes 1:31:55.360 --> 1:31:58.880 that you don't see on camera. Obviously, they are not 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:02.960 feeling intimate, and I'm sure how do you are There 1:32:03.040 --> 1:32:04.920 lines that are drawn here though too when it comes 1:32:04.920 --> 1:32:06.320 to that, I mean, have you ever heard of a 1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:10.439 story where people actually have real sex on camera and said, 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:11.960 you know, I'm fine with it. I wanted to get 1:32:11.960 --> 1:32:13.960 this right and I want to be authentic, and therefore 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:16.320 let's just have sex. Is that Has that ever happen? 1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:21.000 You know what? Probably I don't know of an example, 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:25.599 but that's not okay. In a sag after film, we're 1:32:25.760 --> 1:32:29.439 literally not allowed to do that. And one of the 1:32:29.479 --> 1:32:32.240 things I would say is, first of all, getting it 1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:35.479 right and making it look right doesn't necessarily mean really 1:32:35.520 --> 1:32:38.760 doing it. There are lots of things that don't look 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:42.080 good on camera that you that might feel really good. 1:32:42.560 --> 1:32:44.920 Often I'm telling actors like, I know, I know you 1:32:45.000 --> 1:32:48.479 think it doesn't look right, but I promise it looks 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:51.800 right on camera. Yeah, So it really is about the 1:32:51.880 --> 1:32:53.439 saking it part of. 1:32:53.439 --> 1:32:57.440 It broke Katie's on the show. Brook is a intimacy 1:32:57.560 --> 1:33:00.880 coordinator in Hollywood, and so she is the person in 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:03.920 charge of choreographing these sex scenes. And one of the 1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:05.960 cool jobs, probably one of the coolest jobs in the world, 1:33:06.080 --> 1:33:08.400 is a job actually Brooke cooler than it sounds, and 1:33:08.479 --> 1:33:10.479 it actually is. 1:33:10.280 --> 1:33:13.559 It is literally the coolest job in the whole world. 1:33:14.560 --> 1:33:15.400 So lucky to have it. 1:33:16.080 --> 1:33:18.639 I was kind of hoping you'd say that, no, it sucks. 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.280 I want to go work at fast food. That's what 1:33:21.320 --> 1:33:25.160 I wanted to. No one's ever said that, Yeah, it's 1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:27.120 it's it's it's such an interesting thing because we all 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:28.320 see it and we all think of that when we're 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:30.800 watching the movies or shows or whatever going how do 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:34.120 they how are they actually doing this? I remember reading 1:33:34.160 --> 1:33:36.840 an interview I think it was with Marco Robbie, who 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:38.439 at the time was starting in Wolf of Wall Street, 1:33:38.520 --> 1:33:40.280 was a very sexually based movie, and she is just 1:33:40.320 --> 1:33:44.439 a gorgeous woman and she had a problem is beautiful? 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:47.759 Its just having self awareness and self esteem issues thinking 1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:51.120 she wasn't attractive enough to be naked on camera. That 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:54.360 I think was its Corsezy that did the movie. I 1:33:54.360 --> 1:33:56.599 forget who did the movie, but literally had to hold 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:58.600 her hand and talk her through those scenes because she 1:33:58.720 --> 1:34:02.840 felt so exposed and not worthy of that kind of 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:07.320 attention on how she looked that process behind the scene. 1:34:07.400 --> 1:34:09.720 Is it tougher for men or women? And how much 1:34:09.760 --> 1:34:12.040 coaching is involved in getting something to do something that's 1:34:12.040 --> 1:34:13.320 outside of their comfort zone like that? 1:34:15.000 --> 1:34:17.800 Yeah, you know, there are a lot of times that 1:34:17.840 --> 1:34:20.720 actors want to do a thing but don't feel comfortable, 1:34:20.840 --> 1:34:23.040 Like there's a misconception that my job is to make 1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:25.880 them feel comfortable. It's really not. It's to make them 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:29.919 feel empowered to consent. But then once they have consented, 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:32.920 if they need support in a way. It might be 1:34:33.080 --> 1:34:35.879 that they need to see the angle on the monitor 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:39.200 to see how they look, or it might be that 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:41.479 they need me to come tell them after each take 1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:46.519 like it looks really compelling, and you know that isn't. 1:34:46.840 --> 1:34:50.000 I don't think it's gender specific. I think there is 1:34:50.080 --> 1:34:52.920 so much pressure in our culture to look a certain way, 1:34:53.000 --> 1:34:56.760 to be a certain way, to be beautiful enough, sexy enough, 1:34:57.120 --> 1:35:01.960 all of those things, and it can be a really overwhelming, 1:35:02.040 --> 1:35:06.000 vulnerable thing, and then you're doing it at work. So 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:10.280 I think it's really admirable of Margo Floor being public 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:12.640 about that because it really is an uncomfortable thing that 1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:13.479 folks go through. 1:35:13.760 --> 1:35:16.439 Yeah, you would think that, And I think it's just 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:20.040 our persvasive our culture is with this kind of stuff. 1:35:20.120 --> 1:35:22.519 Is that if someone looks like Margot Robbie and she 1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:25.960 has some self consciousness elements as to her being naked 1:35:25.960 --> 1:35:28.200 in a film, I think that's a sad indictment of society. 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:33.120 Quite honestly, what about actors, the other extreme overweight actors. 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:36.240 You know, I'm sure there's some over here I don't 1:35:36.240 --> 1:35:39.120 want to take their shirt off, let alone show maybe 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:42.160 some private parts or close to it anyway. And yet 1:35:42.200 --> 1:35:44.240 I'm sure there's other actors out there have no problems 1:35:44.280 --> 1:35:47.040 showing like a guy showing his ass. So it's up 1:35:47.040 --> 1:35:49.080 to the actor, obviously, and what they want to do. 1:35:49.560 --> 1:35:52.000 And is your job convincing them that it's going to 1:35:52.040 --> 1:35:54.559 be okay or you just kind of cater to their 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:55.840 whims and their desires. 1:35:57.040 --> 1:35:59.880 I mean, I'm really glad you bring up fat actor 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:04.120 because I think it's actually a misconception that everyone has 1:36:04.200 --> 1:36:07.559 the same issues with their body. There's a chapter in 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:10.000 the book on working with fat Actors that I wrote 1:36:10.000 --> 1:36:13.200 with Katie Blouse, and one of the things we talked 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:17.479 about is not assuming someone's relationship to their body. So 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:20.200 one of the things we do is you just never 1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:23.200 comment on someone's body, positive or negative. So if I 1:36:23.200 --> 1:36:26.240 had been working with Margaret Robbie and she's having feelings 1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:28.240 about how her body looks, that's not the thing I'm 1:36:28.280 --> 1:36:29.519 going to talk to her about. I'm going to talk 1:36:29.520 --> 1:36:32.400 to her about her work. It's like, Ooh, that scene 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:37.519 looked really good. I think the more diversity of body 1:36:37.560 --> 1:36:41.559 type we can get on camera, clothes or unclothed, the 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:44.600 better it is for our culture, because bodies are beautiful, 1:36:45.920 --> 1:36:50.080 however they look. We've just decided to label things in 1:36:50.160 --> 1:36:53.280 certain ways. But I don't know I can find beauty 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:56.080 in everything. I really can't. 1:36:56.240 --> 1:36:58.679 You're much better person than I am, a Brook Katy 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:00.920 because I shower with my clothes on. I don't want 1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:03.760 to see myself at all even think of that. So Brooke, 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:05.799 as far as you know, this is the more serious 1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:08.720 element here too, because everyone has a story, right, and 1:37:08.760 --> 1:37:11.640 there's a people who have survived sexual violence and in 1:37:11.720 --> 1:37:14.680 predatory behavior, probably in Hollywood. I mean, you know, look 1:37:14.680 --> 1:37:17.559 at the stories that have come out with Harvey Weinstein, 1:37:17.600 --> 1:37:20.840 et cetera, et cetera. Does that often pop up in 1:37:20.880 --> 1:37:21.559 the course of your. 1:37:21.439 --> 1:37:24.839 Work, Yeah, it does. I mean. Part of the reason 1:37:24.920 --> 1:37:28.160 that studios are now willing to pay for intimacy coordinators 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:31.320 is because of the Me too movement, and as a result, 1:37:31.360 --> 1:37:35.400 people are more comfortable I think saying like oh, hey, 1:37:35.520 --> 1:37:37.880 I'm a little nervous about this thing that might trigger me, 1:37:38.120 --> 1:37:40.760 or this job is going to be more difficult. There's 1:37:40.760 --> 1:37:44.040 a few chapters in the book about I write one 1:37:44.080 --> 1:37:46.200 on working on scenes of trauma, and in the North 1:37:46.240 --> 1:37:49.599 of writes on working on scenes of sexual assault. And 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:53.720 you do need to have extra precautions in place for 1:37:53.760 --> 1:37:58.479 those scenes. Whether someone's experienced sexual assault or not. I mean, 1:37:58.520 --> 1:38:02.400 you don't know who on crewe have a history with 1:38:02.439 --> 1:38:06.639 what you're dealing with, so there are things we do 1:38:06.880 --> 1:38:10.760 to be extra sensitive in those scenes. Because also an 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:13.360 actor's body, for example, if you put a body in 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:16.479 a position, even if the actor's mind is like, this 1:38:16.640 --> 1:38:19.200 is stake, this is totally fake. You're putting their body 1:38:19.200 --> 1:38:22.559 in that position of fear or terror and the body 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:25.760 doesn't know you're pretending, gotcha. So you have to put 1:38:25.800 --> 1:38:29.120 things in place to help protect the actors' mental health. 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:32.960 It's fascinating, Brook Haney. What works have you done. I 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:34.600 saved this for the end because I didn't want to, 1:38:34.600 --> 1:38:36.080 you know, kind of taint the interview at it, but 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:39.240 that we might be familiar with some of the stuff 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:40.520 that you've coordinated. 1:38:40.720 --> 1:38:46.080 Yeah, I've worked on Harlem on Amazon's Time East New 1:38:46.160 --> 1:38:49.520 York on CBS Elsbeth, which is playing right now. On ACBS. 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:54.640 I'm working on Mayor of Kingstown. The Best Man the 1:38:54.640 --> 1:38:57.160 Final Chapters was a really fun project that I worked 1:38:57.160 --> 1:39:01.080 on with Aya Dunn, who's actually coming to Cincinnati. She 1:39:01.120 --> 1:39:03.080 wrote the chapter on Black American intimacy in the book, 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:06.280 and she's coming to Cincinnati to work on Lauren Benderson's 1:39:06.320 --> 1:39:09.680 new play at Cincinnati Shakes early next year. So if 1:39:09.720 --> 1:39:11.880 you want to see a really good intimacy coordinator's work, 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:12.920 check that out. 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:15.519 Yeah, I think you look at it it works like 1:39:15.560 --> 1:39:19.559 a theater and film and have a new appreciation for 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:22.160 what it is you do too. You mentioned Mayor Kingstown 1:39:22.280 --> 1:39:24.240 one of my favorite all time jams. I think that 1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:28.000 Jeremy Runner was fantastic in that dark episode. So I'm 1:39:28.000 --> 1:39:30.200 gonna have to rewalk Man the next season watch it 1:39:30.240 --> 1:39:32.360 again to look for your work there too as well. 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:36.400 So Brooke Henney the Intimacy Coordinator's Guidebook, especially for stage 1:39:36.400 --> 1:39:38.680 and screen, that is a back of the room kind 1:39:38.720 --> 1:39:41.479 of thing. I don't know if that's just generally reading 1:39:41.600 --> 1:39:44.479 for someone who's not in the trade. Would that be 1:39:44.560 --> 1:39:46.920 something that someone to go, I'm interested in this topic, 1:39:47.720 --> 1:39:49.639 or is it just simply two back a house or. 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:54.800 That it's I would say the primary audiences for sure, 1:39:54.880 --> 1:39:56.639 back of house people doing the work, but I also 1:39:56.680 --> 1:40:00.160 include interviews with actors and directors who've worked with Intimacy Court. 1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:02.760 So I think if you're a real film buff, it 1:40:02.880 --> 1:40:03.679 might be as your alley. 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:07.040 Okay, yeah, cool. I think that's really neat and it's 1:40:07.040 --> 1:40:08.880 one of those jobs that's hitten in plain view, if 1:40:08.920 --> 1:40:11.200 you'll Brook Haney, thanks so much for coming on the show. 1:40:11.240 --> 1:40:13.519 I enjoyed it. I always love learning about cool stuff 1:40:13.520 --> 1:40:16.080 like this that you would that no one ever talks about. 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:17.120 But I'm glad you did. 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:19.040 Thanks so much for having me, Scott. I hope you 1:40:19.040 --> 1:40:19.840 have a great day. 1:40:20.000 --> 1:40:22.920 Thanks so much, and enjoy your weekend. She pinched hitting 1:40:22.920 --> 1:40:24.679 for ally this morning. All I take a day off 1:40:24.800 --> 1:40:27.479 to do her cool job, which is pickleball slash bourbon 1:40:27.520 --> 1:40:29.479 slash god. I don't want to know, La la, la la. 1:40:29.560 --> 1:40:31.960 I don't know what she's doing weekends about here for me, 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:34.640 hopefully soon for you and five o'clock whatever time it 1:40:34.680 --> 1:40:36.559 is when you quit, can't come soon enough. I know, 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:39.280 as we had not the best weekend otherwise, but you 1:40:39.360 --> 1:40:41.160 still you got a couple of days go and enjoy it. 1:40:41.160 --> 1:40:43.880 No Bengals this weekend, No Bearcats this weekend, a football 1:40:43.920 --> 1:40:47.679 free weekend. Perhaps do something fun. Anyway back Monday morning, 1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:50.000 Scott's Loan, home of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred 1:40:50.040 --> 1:40:51.000 WI since net