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Speaker 1: Roorg Tanya, Welcome back, guys. It's been a while since

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Speaker 1: we've chatted with you. I know you were lounging on

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, coming back to this, she was

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Speaker 2: really tough. You talk about retiring. That sounded good while

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Speaker 2: I was down there, But there's no end in sight here.

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Speaker 1: That's the bad thing about going to nice weather places

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Speaker 2: I know, it's really cool, Thank goodness for the sun.

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Speaker 3: To me, I agree with the one hundred percent. As long

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Speaker 3: the last last night, Tom, did you watch the National

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Speaker 2: I did watch it, Okay, so I'm really happy for Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that that's honest?

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Speaker 2: I think I didn't like the hits they were putting

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Speaker 4: So yeah, they're they're leaning in on that one.

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Speaker 2: It was clear to me that his winning formula, at

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Speaker 2: So do you see that replicating itself across you know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he used the system properly. But can I

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Speaker 3: People say that, but I mean the television numbers aren't

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Speaker 4: The playoffs this year. There is no no team that

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Speaker 3: I think Buffalo thought the same thing. It's it's not

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Speaker 3: And I think they they kind of bulked that a

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're a Bengal player, if you're if you're

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Speaker 2: how should you be feeling right now looking around?

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Speaker 3: What what do you mean in what regard.

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Speaker 2: So all these other teams that got further than you were,

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Speaker 2: Like all you are out of here because it's not

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Speaker 4: You're not doing a good enough job. And Bengals are

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Speaker 4: saying we're good enough.

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Speaker 2: We got the talent inside the locker room, We got

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Speaker 3: Does does Joe Burrow think that?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think he does.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he does at all. I think that's

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Speaker 3: you can go to a super Bowl, and it needs

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna switch from news to sports. This

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Speaker 2: is really fun.

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Speaker 3: This is fun, right, Come join us, Tony. This is

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Speaker 3: great and we can be talking about ice protests and

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Speaker 3: all this, but we get to talk about football today.

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Speaker 1: Table.

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Speaker 4: That's right there, we go.

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Speaker 1: All right, good, well, welcome back to the frigid North.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your memories of the South.

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Speaker 2: I all look at the photos every couple of days

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Speaker 2: and just remind myself of what when I get in

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Speaker 2: the hot shower, I'll be like, oh, that's what it

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Speaker 2: felt like.

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Speaker 1: See you, buddy. Yeah, thanks Tanya, our good friend Tanya

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Speaker 1: Rourke