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Speaker 1: This week, the Bengals and Dolphins meet up in Miami

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Speaker 1: like those Peski caadlines. The Bengals stool the Dolphins get

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Speaker 1: the call live from Dan Lloyd and Dave Lapham. The

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Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's us. Good afternoon on my legg this

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Speaker 2: is ESPs to thirty. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: a great place where tonight the NBA Cup Final takes

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Speaker 2: a lot of people here for that tonight, watching New

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Speaker 2: you want, which I might do. For the NBA Cup tonight,

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Speaker 2: we will see Paul Danner juniors here.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 2: The Athletic dot Com is a great knicksbeat writer who

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Speaker 2: is on the scene in Vegas for Nick Spurs covering

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Speaker 2: a championship.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what do you think should the NFL institute

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Speaker 4: a meaningless Cup in the early season. Maybe that will

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Speaker 4: help it for some teams that end up playing not

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Speaker 4: so important games later in the season.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps that's something in season they could do. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how you would pull that off. Maybe play for

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Speaker 2: the first overall pick or something I like that.

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Speaker 4: Take all the teams that are eliminated, and then they

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Speaker 4: just play each other at the end, and the winner

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Speaker 4: of said weird tournament ends up with the number one

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Speaker 2: I like it what I watched on Sunday. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to watch that team play anymore.

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Speaker 3: Some good.

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Speaker 5: I'm all right, I don't need any more of that.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to convince myself that I should actually watch

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Speaker 2: these last three games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not. It doesn't feel like.

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Speaker 4: There's a ton of reason to do so. But you know,

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Speaker 4: it is football, It is the team. It is Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow playing, which is interesting to see what that will

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Speaker 4: look like after what we saw and heard last week. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so maybe this week will sound and look different.

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Speaker 3: That might be reassuring for some people.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Paul Danner Junior is here covering the Bengals

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Speaker 2: for The Athletic and the Growlar podcast. The latest episode

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Speaker 2: came out just a short while ago. Go watch that

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Speaker 2: on YouTube or get it where you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: You have been on the Bengals beat for fifteen sixteen years.

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Speaker 5: Yep, long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You've covered a lot of really great days, You've covered

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Speaker 2: a lot of not so great days. You've covered some

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Speaker 2: some days that brought about some interesting developments. A lot

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Speaker 2: You've seen and heard and watched and been through a

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Speaker 2: lot where on the scale of awful days, not on

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Speaker 2: the beat, but just awful days for the franchise that

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Speaker 2: you've had a front row seat for, does where does

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Speaker 3: It's approaching the.

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Speaker 4: Twenty ten press conference right, like, which is the one

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Speaker 4: Was one thing that went wrong, right, This was a

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Speaker 4: And so it's certainly one of the worst individual days

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Speaker 2: The season itself is one of the most miserable in

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Speaker 3: Now that's saying something.

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Speaker 2: I've watched bad Bengals teams go through bad Bengals seasons

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about as like a content guy. I

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Speaker 2: I was eight years old. I liked very little about

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Speaker 3: So there's all of that.

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Speaker 2: There's the five minutes that Flacco was fun, but there's

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Speaker 2: how they totally created with Jake Browning. There's how they've

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Speaker 2: last week, and then there's what that looked like on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: of nineteen ninety four. This this has been as thoroughly

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Speaker 4: And it's it's exasperating because it comes from a spot of, like.

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Speaker 3: You said, high expectations.

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Speaker 4: This is the prime of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase

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Speaker 4: Yeah, continuity and all of these things that you liked

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Speaker 4: though last year wasn't great. They still were incredible on

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Speaker 3: And they did.

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Speaker 4: They checked the boxes of who Burrow wanted, so it

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Speaker 4: He's got his first full off season to feel ready

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Speaker 4: And so when you had such high expectations and for

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Speaker 4: wasting his prime, of reverting to the nineties of his ownership,

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Speaker 3: Will they come back from it?

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Speaker 4: Will there be you know, the conversation of continuity that's

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Speaker 4: over and over again. These are the triggers of Bengals fans,

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Speaker 3: When you throw in the stuff that.

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Speaker 4: Happened with the snow and the fans being frustrated, the cold,

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Speaker 2: Since mid December of twenty nineteen, I have looked at

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Speaker 2: almost everything that has happened with this franchise through a

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Speaker 2: pretty optimistic filter, through a very rose colored lens. That's

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Speaker 2: not to say that everything has gone great, but there's

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Speaker 2: always been a degree of hope. You know, last year

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Speaker 2: on defense, they'll be okay. Maybe not championship caliber, but

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Speaker 2: You know, what rite it off? Burrow injury, and hey,

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Speaker 2: maybe kind of inevitable after back to back AFC championship games.

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Speaker 2: said this to you on the Growlery today. I could

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Speaker 2: You had to have seen that. You had to have

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Speaker 2: watched that to see what it looked like. Now, Joe

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Speaker 2: the lack of urgency. I watched a quarterback who was

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Speaker 2: Everything else has been pretty positive, pretty forward thinking, relatively upbeat.

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Speaker 2: Now it's hard to feel that way. Yeah, And we've.

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Speaker 3: Seen this as we've done you know, I love doing

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Speaker 5: That'll be fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, because it's really you can because then you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like you see when you could.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think you very much had some with everybody

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Speaker 5: Okay, the Flacco that was fun. Yeah, like I'm a Flacoh.

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Speaker 5: Well, no one could, including.

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Speaker 2: This three fifteen less Sunday, the Bengals are in Buffalo,

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Speaker 2: Twenty four minutes after three o'clock. He's Paul Danner Junior.

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Speaker 2: We will talk about how the Bengals changed without firing people,

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Speaker 5: Was any Bengals news anything happened, Not that I enough.

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Speaker 3: What is the most responsible way.

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Speaker 4: in Buffalo, and what.

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00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: That does to you. I just feel like the whole thing.

442
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 4: He could probably have used an off season to come

443
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 4: back in April and be like rejuvenated in a better

444
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 4: head space, but he's had to because he's come back

445
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 4: kind of emote and go through it therapeutically a little

446
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 4: bit in front of us. And I think that's hard.

447
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 4: I think that's hard when you're dealing with a lot

448
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 4: of new feelings a little bit, you know what I mean.

449
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: I think he's coming to terms with a lot of

450
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 4: the stuff of where the cape's kind of been ripped

451
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 4: off of him a little bit, and how hard the

452
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 4: rehab must have been. And I just think perspective on

453
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 4: how hard this year has been on him, and some

454
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 4: grace that probably should be given to him because of

455
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 4: that is where I start.

456
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of folks have taken this conversation and

457
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: advanced it to places where Joe was going to request

458
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 2: to trade this offseason and which team should be, you know,

459
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: pushing the other ones out of the way to go

460
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: ahead and trade for him. And he's gonna pull a

461
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: car Center, He's gonna pull and Andrew Luck. All of

462
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: that's seems to me to be premature, right, Yes, you agree, yes,

463
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: But but I do understand why people go there.

464
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's the reputation here over the law

465
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 4: I hall is earned, there's a history of it, and

466
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 4: people can literally reference another number one overall pick yeah,

467
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 4: who's done. Like I understand why it goes there. I

468
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 4: also understand that this is the NFL entertainment business. This

469
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: is how it goes. There is some preconceived notion, some

470
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: thing that that will fill airwaves and that has right,

471
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Speaker 4: I mean, It's like, why do people talk about Tim

472
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: Tebow so much?

473
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 5: Thing?

474
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 4: Why do people talk There's just there are certain things.

475
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 4: And since the day that Joe Burrow was potentially going

476
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: to become a bangle in twenty twenty, this has been

477
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: a thing of Joe Burrow doesn't want to be in Cincinnati.

478
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 4: And there is this idea, idea that at every turn,

479
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 4: whenever it can feel like you can say it, it's

480
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 4: gonna be said loud, and it's by a lot of people.

481
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 4: Is that Joe Burrows never gonna want to be Insincent,

482
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 4: he can't want to be in Cincinnati. I think that's

483
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 4: fueled by a lot of people with agendas across the

484
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 4: league that will help build that up. And whatever if

485
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 4: it's if it's networks, if it's shouty shows, if it's

486
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: whatever like that stuff that that does drive attention. He's

487
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 4: a star in a small market that has been forever criticized.

488
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: So yes, it's gonna be obvious people are going to

489
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 4: try to plant that seat a little bit. And so

490
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 4: I just think that's that's where so much of this

491
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 4: comes from.

492
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Speaker 2: Yet Joe Burrow knows all that, Yeah, and so when

493
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 2: he offers this demeanor that is different than what we see.

494
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 2: He knows that, he knows where that's gonna go, and

495
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: he knows how it's gonna be consumed. So I think

496
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 2: then people go, well, he's he's using that platform to

497
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: send a message.

498
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: Maybe, but that message can be misconstrued potentially. But I've said,

499
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 4: I feel like there's some version of smoke here obviously.

500
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: Right after the game.

501
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think that there's there's

502
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: anything like that.

503
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: But I also something's broken, Yes, like something between Wednesday

504
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: and Sunday. Your takeaway doesn't have to be he's going

505
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: to demand a trade or he's going to retire. My

506
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: takeaway is something's off, which, by the way, they're four

507
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: and ten, things are going to be off.

508
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 5: But there is.

509
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: I think we first suspected it on Wednesday and then

510
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: to me that game on Sunday, just how it looked,

511
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: not that they lost, how it looked like something's a miss,

512
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: something's fractured.

513
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

514
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 4: I think I think it feels that way with with

515
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 4: where he's at and I and I think whatever he

516
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 4: was maybe trying to do on Wednesday maybe didn't come

517
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 4: across how he wanted, or maybe he just wants it

518
00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 4: to be clear that.

519
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: He's not happier. Maybe he didn't like how people were.

520
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: Contemplating that he lost his edge because he was happy

521
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: to play with his friends and talked about that after

522
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 4: both Thanksgiving and Buffalo Yah, And maybe he wanted to

523
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: make it clear that I'm not happy with losing whatever whatever,

524
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: like you said, some version of the calculated.

525
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

526
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: I mean, none of us can pretend to be inside

527
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: a jumps He's a very unique dude. Yeah, and so

528
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: I can't say what his thing was, but you know,

529
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 4: you do get the sense that he probably didn't like

530
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 4: the way that it came out, and I.

531
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: Think it was fitting or at least very notable.

532
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 4: How he instantly said this was not about Cincinnati on Sunday,

533
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: to make it clear that, you know, I don't want

534
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 4: this to be about my teammates or the people in

535
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 4: this building. It's just whatever I'm going through. But yeah,

536
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: I do think he wants to make it clear I'm

537
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: not happy and that it's it's it's time and this

538
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: is what I wrote. It's time for this organization to

539
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: build this dude back up. Yeah, like they it is

540
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: their responsibility. I'm not putting it on Joe anymore. He

541
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 4: has done enough carrying, okay, and this dude has been

542
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: through it. It is time for this organization to finally

543
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 4: really build this dude back up and put a team

544
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 4: around him that can allow him to not feel like

545
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: he has to be perfect all the time and not

546
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: feel like the weight of the world is on him

547
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: all the time. He may still put it on himself

548
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 4: to some degree, but they just have to and if

549
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 4: they can't do it this year, then it's on them.

550
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: Whatever hell happens next.

551
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: You wrote last week about basically Joe Burrow the football genius.

552
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 5: Good time, good good time.

553
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: I know, I know that one didn't go so I

554
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: read that in the fourth quarter on Sunday.

555
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 5: I read it.

556
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: I know, I know it was bad time up to

557
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: this point.

558
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: Up to this point, his ability to set protections and

559
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: and like diagnose everything that was going and then he

560
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 4: goes out and has maybe his worst game in that

561
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 4: regard that we've seen.

562
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

563
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: It's my fault. I take this is my fault. I'm sorry.

564
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: This is why we just shouldn't write anything.

565
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Speaker 5: Okay.

566
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: It's like you just shouldn't write anything. You know, like

567
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: it's immediately gonna be proven wrong.

568
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 5: Apparently when when you say you stuff on the radio,

569
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Speaker 5: it just sort of goes away. For the last part.

570
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 5: You put that on the Athletic that that bad boy

571
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Speaker 5: Liz forever.

572
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: I believe he will come back and still be good

573
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Speaker 3: at this. It was just a one off. It's just

574
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Speaker 3: a one off.

575
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Speaker 2: Like, all right, I got more to ask you. It's

576
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Speaker 2: quarter to four. Paul Danner, Junior, the Athletic dot Com

577
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Speaker 2: on the Growler Podcast. He's here till four at Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 5: Junior for another few minutes. We've reached the point of

591
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Speaker 5: the season.

592
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Speaker 2: Why I watched games with my fingers because Joe Burrow

593
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: is gonna play. Yeah, anything that can change.

594
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Speaker 3: That, I don't know. It seems like he's going to

595
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Speaker 3: do they want him to. He wants to, So I

596
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: think he's gonna play. By te Higgins, I don't know.

597
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Speaker 4: I mean, the fact that he was back kind of

598
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: even in any capacity in practice, makes you think that

599
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: it's it's possible. I don't love the idea of him

600
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: going back out there the rest of the year, but.

601
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Speaker 3: You know, we don't. We don't know. It's hard.

602
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 4: It's hard to know right now with when you get

603
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 4: into concussion protocol stuff. But Sjamar Stewart, Yeah, I think

604
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: you're gonna see him soon.

605
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if there's anything be kind of nice.

606
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 4: If there's anything to get out of these last three weeks,

607
00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: it's that dude needs wraps.

608
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so just put.

609
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: Him out there and let him play a ton and

610
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: make mistakes and whatever, and just because the thing that

611
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: he's missing is.

612
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: He just doesn't have any experience. He did.

613
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: He didn't get any hardly in the offseason. He you know,

614
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: he was limited with it. It really been injured almost

615
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: all year. Let him go play and just what who?

616
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: The games don't matter anyway, Just get him a bunch

617
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: of snaps.

618
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Speaker 2: Ye, speaking of letting guys play so they can make mistakes,

619
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Speaker 2: Genostone gonna be unchallenged last.

620
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 5: Three games.

621
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Speaker 3: At this point? What's the matter? Right?

622
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 5: I kind of want to watch the last three games.

623
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 5: The Geno Stone plavors.

624
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, why not?

625
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 5: No, why not? Just let him?

626
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: Let him play?

627
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: Zack Moss sounded off on the whole seat snow blowing thing.

628
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 2: He says, it's worse franchise and sports. Uh take us

629
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Speaker 2: back to how things end it with Zach Mowson. Should

630
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: he have an axe to grind?

631
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I think he.

632
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 4: I don't think he loved how everything was handled with

633
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 4: his next situation. I remember writing that way, but it

634
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: kind of feels like forever. Yeah, it was back in

635
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: the beginning of August. Wasn't that long ago? But yeah,

636
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think he loved the way things

637
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: were handled with his injury. And now when he talked

638
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: to me, he didn't go as far as to go there.

639
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 4: But you could tell that he wasn't super thrilled with everything.

640
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: But I think he was.

641
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: Also wrestling with like if his career was over or not.

642
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: And I also think there was a lot of stuff

643
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: going on there. So yeah, I mean when it ends weird,

644
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: then yeah, you're gonna have some kind of an extagrind.

645
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: But I don't that that one came out of left

646
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Speaker 4: field for me. I didn't didn't see I didn't see

647
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: the Zach Moss.

648
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: No, from the top, I didn't think Zach Moss would

649
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: be somebody I ever talked about again, And nothing against Zach,

650
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: but I just figured I'd shove him away forever and that.

651
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 5: Would be it.

652
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: But back in our lives, back in our lives.

653
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 5: No snow on the seats in the press box.

654
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Speaker 3: Everything was fine. Yeah, it was great, actually really enjoyable

655
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: experience for me. Yeah, yeah, no issues, It must be

656
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: must be nice.

657
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: It was nice that the chip ice off the seat

658
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: before you sit down and watch the game.

659
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a pretty stunning one to walk up to,

660
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: like just to just to sit down and just be like, wait, yeah,

661
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: everything is covered. Yes, you know, it looked it was

662
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Speaker 4: pretty It looked Gorgo actually was and it's very aesthetically pleasing, Uh, misopportunity.

663
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: I drove, I drove downtown. We did our show at

664
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: the Grail, you did yours. Next I saw you walking past.

665
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: You could not have looked more miserable and that cold,

666
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: and we talked about it on the air.

667
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't. Well, I knew, I knew.

668
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: So I really wanted to go get a shot of

669
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 4: the river steaming because it looks cool.

670
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm gonna go get the shot.

671
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: I don't care how cold it is.

672
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: And then as soon as I started walking and I

673
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 4: heard your guys voices to the grail we saw you,

674
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, no, they're going to say something. Yeah,

675
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 4: And I was that fine, you know what, say what

676
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: they want. I don't care.

677
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't care it is cold, so what.

678
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: But anyway, so as coming down seventy five and turn

679
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: on to you know, second Street, you could see the

680
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: upper deck of the stadium and it looks like an

681
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: arena does when everybody gets a white T shirt at

682
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: their seats.

683
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 5: Yes, it looked cool.

684
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: That was my first thought. I said, Oh, are they

685
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: doing like a white T shirt? Playoff game? Truly?

686
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 4: That was my number one my initial thought. And then

687
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: I looked close and I leaned in a little bit,

688
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 4: and I was like, that's all snow. Yeah, how about that?

689
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: All snow?

690
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: Snow?

691
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 4: How about that? Who knew? And then I had the

692
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: snarky tweet. Did you get to push back for that?

693
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: No? I don't know. Maybe if there was, what are

694
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: you gonna say?

695
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a fact. They didn't blow

696
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 5: off the seat.

697
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: It was just it was just a fact. Here it

698
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: is welcome welcomings are coming to the game.

699
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 5: Here it is.

700
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: Here's you're coming in to the game. Here's your your

701
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: s sheets covered.

702
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: And see here's the thing though, if you if you

703
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: know that that's going to be the case, you bring

704
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: in like bourbon, well Bourbon slush with snow on this.

705
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 5: It's that's clean snow.

706
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

707
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: At my house, whenever it snows like this and we're

708
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: stuck inside, my kids make snow cream. We go, we

709
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: get the ice cream and mix it up with like

710
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 4: the vanilla and the cream and everything, and you.

711
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: Make like, that's what they should have done. They should

712
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: have had that.

713
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody, we we left it on your seat so

714
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: that you could have a free ice cream at your seat.

715
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: We have flavored snow dye. Yeah, problem is we left

716
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: the flavored snow dye sit outside, so it also froze, yeah,

717
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: and thus was not usable. My daughter was taking one

718
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: of the bottles of flavored frozen snow dye and like

719
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: like trying to like beat it against the cherry. What

720
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: you don't She's like, I'm trying to make it, you know,

721
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: liquid again. Yeah, Like that's that's really not how it works.

722
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: That's not how it works. Run into some hot water

723
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: for you. All right, Well, thank you as always. It

724
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: was pleasure, It really was.

725
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks you for coming.

726
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior the Athletic dot Com covering the Bengals

727
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: the Growlar Podcast. Follow him at Paul Danner Junior and

728
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 2: UH eighty one degrees in Miami.

729
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: On side going, I am going, all right, yes, I

730
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 4: have I have a book, Okay, I plan on being

731
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: near a pool Okay, I mean, and uh, I'm gonna

732
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 4: enjoy that and I'm gonna try to make the most

733
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 4: out of it.

734
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 5: Nice.

735
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 3: That's all I can do. And then you know, obviously

736
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: really gonna grind over the tape of this game.

737
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: I will be in Greenville, South Carolina, for UC versus.

738
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 5: Clemson OH game with major NCAA turn them.

739
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely please absolutely. Have you been?

740
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 5: Have you been to Greenville?

741
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: No? No, Well, I'm sure there'll be a great experience. Yeah,

742
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 3: it's not bad.

743
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: Paul Danner, Junior at the Athletic dot Com. I'm sure

744
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: Greenville is lovely.

745
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: It is.

746
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: You talk about a team that has me salty. You

747
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: would do another hour? Huh No, No, you want to

748
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: do an you want to do a whole other hour.

749
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it would matter whether I was here.

750
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: We would just mention that team and then you would

751
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 2: just go off for an hour.

752
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 5: So I'll just leave and keep listening in my life

753
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 5: right now?

754
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, all right.

755
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: We're at Oakley Greens. Paul's leaving. We're here till six.

756
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

757
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 9: Ever ESPN fifteen thirty.

758
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: Oh, guess what day it is?

759
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: Guess what day it is? Day? That's that's us.

760
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: It's four minutes after four o'clock and this is ESBN

761
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. More legger, thank you for joining us. We're

762
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens. We're hanging out until six o'clock. A

763
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: great place to hang out after work, great place for

764
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: your holiday parties. And you know it's it's it's you

765
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 2: may have heard it's cold outside and gray and gloomy.

766
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: They have an outdoor bar here, but they've kind of

767
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: made a pseudo outdoor so you could still go outside

768
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: and you feel like you're outside, but you're really not outside.

769
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: So it's nice and warm, but you kind of feel like, well,

770
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: you feel like you're outside. That's I think maybe the

771
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: best way to put it. By the way, Bengals Dolphins

772
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: on Sunday, there's an Anthony Muno's meet and greet, which

773
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: is terrific and a phenomenal place to watch all the

774
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 2: college football playoff games. You got one on Friday, you

775
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: got three on Saturday. There's two NFL games on Saturday.

776
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: College basketball you see in Clemson on Sunday. You see

777
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: plays tomorrow night Xavier Creighton tomorrow as well in their

778
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: Big East opener. You could watch those games and so

779
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: much more. Of The TV situation at Oakley Greens is awesome.

780
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: Tons of very close by and convenient parking, free parking.

781
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: This isn't the sort of place where you have to

782
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: park like eight blocks away and shrudge through the snow

783
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: or the cold. Oh and by the way, and I

784
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: should have mentioned this at the top of the show,

785
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: if you come to Oakley Greens, my producer, Drew wester

786
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: Heidi will personally wipe off your seat. You know, we

787
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: talked about a different establishment the Tony and Moe Football

788
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: Show Clean Seat Guarantee. It extends to Oakley Greens. But

789
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: you know Drew all year long, he has gone above

790
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: and beyond. This is the first show that he has

791
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: produced on site, and he's offered a drive people home,

792
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: he's offered a park cars and today, if your seat

793
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: needs to be wiped off, Drew wester h he will

794
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: take care of that for you here at Oakley Green.

795
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: So just to ask, he does not want to tip,

796
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: He's not going to give you his venmo QR code

797
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: anything like that. He'll just wipe off the seat and

798
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: thank him and that's all he'll do. So there you

799
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: go here at Oakley Greens. He'll take care of that

800
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: for you. It will be well received. I maybe have

801
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: one half of a segment left in me on the

802
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: seat wiping down thing, which we'll.

803
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 5: Get to a little bit later on.

804
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: Plus we'll talk about Joe Burrow mentioned the Xavier game tomorrow.

805
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: Richard Patino was on our show yesterday. If you missed that,

806
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: go listen to it on the iHeartRadio app. Xavier is

807
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: playing well, five straight wins, creating in town tomorrow, and

808
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: you know, the market improvement over the last four or

809
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: five weeks from what that team was in early November

810
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: to what it's turned out to be here in mid

811
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: December and the Big East. There's a lot of wins

812
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: there to be had now from a talent perspective, probably

813
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: some losses to be had as well. But I think

814
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: if you're a Xavier fan, you're feeling like, all right,

815
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: the talent's got to get better, but we've got our coach.

816
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 5: Just because of.

817
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: How rapidly the Musketeers have improved from what they were

818
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: early in the season when they were losing to Santa

819
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: Clara and playing games that were closer than they should

820
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: have been against Marist and Lemoyne, the UC situation feels

821
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: like it's at the exact opposite end of the spectrum.

822
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: And Cincinnati has four losses and they have three non

823
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: conference games remaining, including one in South Carolina against Clemson.

824
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: Clemson last week played BYU in a game that was

825
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: I think the highest end college basketball game I have

826
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: watched this year. Go back to last season, the Bearcats

827
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: last season had one non league loss. They lost to

828
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: Villanova on the road. They had beaten Xavier, they had

829
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: beaten Dayton on a neutral floor, they had beaten Georgia Tech.

830
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: They had won at NKAU. Their only hiccup was a

831
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: pretty gnarly looking road loss to villanoven So at the

832
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: very least you knew they had losses coming their way

833
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve, only had one in the non

834
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: league portion of the schedule. This year's UC team has four,

835
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: and one of them's just bona fide bad loss at

836
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: home to Eastern Michigan. One of them's a not great

837
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: road loss to Xavier, and their performance on Saturday I

838
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: think might have been the most sobering of all of them,

839
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: where they had an eleven point lead with seven and

840
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: a half to go in the first half. By the

841
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: time halftime rolled around, the lead was gone and I

842
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: don't know anybody who at that point thought they were

843
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: going to win the game. And so it's four league

844
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: losses a game on Sunday, they will not be favored

845
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: in so they're staring five, staring down the barrel of five.

846
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: And if you know anything about how good the top

847
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: of the Big twelve has been, I don't know how

848
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: this gets better. I don't know how this gets better

849
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: to the degree it's going to have to for anybody

850
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: to feel good about the season, and for frankly wes

851
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: Miller to have a stranglehold on his job for lack

852
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: of a better way of putting it, Like I hear

853
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: the grumbling and understand the grumbling about wes Miller, that

854
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: the reality is like talking about whether or not he

855
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: gets let go is going to be almost pointless if

856
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: this continues. And I don't know how this doesn't continue,

857
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: and I mean the losing. This is a team that offensively,

858
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: You've watched him for six seven weeks, and I would

859
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: imagine you constantly ask like, what is this, what is

860
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: this supposed to be?

861
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: What is this supposed to look like?

862
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: Who are they supposed to throw the ball to in

863
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: close games down the stretch? Offensively, what is their identity

864
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: supposed to be? What is their rotation supposed to be?

865
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 2: They are metrically good defensively, I think eleventh in the

866
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: country in defensive efficiency acc the Kent Bomb, but it's

867
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: not like they're scoring off that defense. It's not like

868
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: they're turning you know, stops into quick offense. Then there's

869
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve, and like I put this on social media,

870
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 2: on Saturday night, I watch Arizona and just one game,

871
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: one team, one example. I watched Arizona play on Saturday

872
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: against a good Alabama team. The game is played in Birmingham,

873
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: not Alabama's home floor, but still in Birmingham, and Arizona

874
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: wiped the floor with them.

875
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 5: Like that is that is.

876
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: The best seasons obviously very young. That is the best

877
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: single game, single team performance I've watched this season. Bearcats

878
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: play them, they play Iowa State and Texas Tech and

879
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: BYU and Kansas, and like, there's a whole host of

880
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: games that if you know anything about those teams and

881
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: you've watched the Bearcats so far, you give them almost

882
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: no chance of winning. And then a whole bunch of

883
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty games in the Big Twelve where you

884
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: know they're not gonna win all of them, and so

885
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: then then you just you kind of do the math, right,

886
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: like I think most believe coming into the season, best

887
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: case UC would finish nine and nine in the Big twelve,

888
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: best case five hundred. Well, if they do that, that's

889
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: thirteen losses if you add the four they already have,

890
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: and then add to that, if they lose to Clemson

891
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: in the game, they will not be favored in, and

892
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: then whatever other losses that come their way in the

893
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: Big twelve. It is, and I hate to say this,

894
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: completely conceivable that a year that was gonna be judged

895
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: solely by whether or not the Bearcats make the NCAA tournament,

896
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: not only will they not come close, but they could

897
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 2: end the season with fifteen, sixteen, seventeen dare I say

898
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: eighteen losses? And so there's a ton of disaffection being

899
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: aimed at Wes Miller. I would think he would be

900
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: the first to understand that, acknowledge it, get it. Like

901
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure it would be far from a surprise to

902
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: him if you said, Wes, there's a lot of people

903
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: who are pretty upset at you right now, who believe

904
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: that it's time for UC to move on. Unfortunately, it

905
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: just it feels like that has a very good chance

906
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: of taking care of itself. If you look at the record,

907
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: look at who they still have to play, and if

908
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: you've watched them play this year, like you could look

909
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 2: at the record and assume that they have a very

910
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 2: uphill battle to make the NCAA tournament watching them play,

911
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: though there just hasn't been, you know, the Skyline Chili

912
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: Crosstown shootout. You don't have to compare the two schools

913
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: constant when you talk about one, you don't have to

914
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: necessarily drag the other into the conversation. But what was

915
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: most striking about the shootout was over here with Xavier,

916
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: you had a team that is showing very visible improvement.

917
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: Don't need to be a basketball expert, and Richard talked

918
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: about it in on our show yesterday. They've made some changes,

919
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: made some lineup changes, made some rotation changes, but it's

920
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: a different looking basketball team, and it is a team that

921
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: is coalesced nicely. They don't turn the ball over with

922
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: the Bearcats. It's it's a team that I don't think

923
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: has gotten that much better at all, that's still very

924
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: much trying to figure out what their identity is and

925
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: who's gonna do what, who's going to slide into what role,

926
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: who can be counted on? And it's getting late early now.

927
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: I mean if you haven't done that by mid December. Okay,

928
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: time is really of the essence. Plus you already have

929
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: four losses, decent chance you have a fifth, and then

930
00:46:52,719 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: Big twelve play starts with UH Houston. Like this, it

931
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: feels like this could get out of control early, and

932
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,919
Speaker 2: it did not do that last year because they took

933
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: care of business for the most part in the non

934
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 2: league portion of their schedule.

935
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 5: I think even.

936
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: By early February last year, we were still trying to

937
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: figure out what the pathway to selection Sunday with their.

938
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 5: Name being on the screen was.

939
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: I don't gather that we're going to be doing that

940
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: this year, and so I don't think right now it's

941
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 2: as much a matter of what's gonna happen with the coach.

942
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: It's how can with this coach this suddenly and almost

943
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: overnight and drastically improve, because for a month and a

944
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: half there's been pretty much no improvement to speak of.

945
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: And I hate to say that, like I hate to

946
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: say that, I looked forward to this season immensely. I

947
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 2: bought into the belief that, you know, even if last

948
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: year went awry, this year there's gonna be a little

949
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: bit more of a concerted effort to build a roster

950
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: where the pieces fit, and they just have yet to

951
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: And it's one thing to not have the pieces fit,

952
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: but you're still finding out ways to win games something

953
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 2: else entirely when you're losing games and losing the Eastern

954
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: Michigan and Xavier fans will be mad at me, but

955
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: losing to a not great Xavier team and in a

956
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: game that was there for the taking, and then in

957
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: the second half on Saturday in Atlanta against Georgia, just

958
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: over those final twenty minutes play large stretches where you

959
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: just weren't competitive. And so if this continues, that the

960
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: coaching thing is is going to take care of itself.

961
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: And then you know folks who are mad at John Cunningham,

962
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: it certainly makes sense like he's he's hired Wes Miller,

963
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: and Wes is just not very popular right now, and

964
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 2: I'm putting it very mildly. And Scott Sanderfield, you could

965
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 2: argue you had a decent year this year, but I'm

966
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: not sure there's a ton of faith that he's going

967
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: to be the I had to get this program over

968
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: the top. And then you're asking, Okay, does this ad

969
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: have what it takes to be able to fix problems

970
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 2: that have kind of unfolded on his watch. It's it's

971
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: a really tough and hard situation for him right now.

972
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: And uh, I wasn't completely as convinced as some word

973
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: that this was clearly going to be an NCAA tournament team.

974
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: In fact, my prediction for what it's worth was they

975
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: would play in Dayton. Can can you even imagine the

976
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: kind of improvement they would have to make and the

977
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: sort of games they would have to win just to

978
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: play in Dayton. It's it's hard to just, for lack

979
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: of a better way of putting it, it's it's it's

980
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: hard to. So we can spend some time on that.

981
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: Five point three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. We have

982
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 2: two guests the rest of the way, including our guy

983
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: Sean Saya coming up at five twenty. A little bit

984
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: later on this hour, we'll talk about one of the

985
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: crown high school basketball jewels in the region that is

986
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: come your way at four thirty five.

987
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 5: We have a lot to get to between now and

988
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 5: six o'clock.

989
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do one one more segment on the Snow

990
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 2: on the Seats issue on Sunday because.

991
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 5: I gotta be fair.

992
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: And I want to try to explain where I was

993
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: coming from when we talked about it for one segment yesterday.

994
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: We'll do that next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

995
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 10: Since this is Football in the Natti, brought to you

996
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 10: by Modern Office Methods.

997
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 9: On ESPN fifteen.

998
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 10: Thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

999
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: Twenty four after four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Moegger.

1000
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: We're broadcasting from Oakley, Greens We've got Reds news. According

1001
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: to Ken Rosenthal and confirmed by Gordon Wittenmeyer of The Inquirer,

1002
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: the Reds have agreed to terms on a one year

1003
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: contract with lefty reliever Caleb Ferguson. Calen Ferguson has been

1004
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: pretty well traveled. He was with two teams last year,

1005
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and Seattle. Pitched in three games with the Mariners

1006
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: in the postseason. Longtime LA Dodger lefty hitters batted just

1007
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 2: one eighty four against him last year two twenty across

1008
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: the course of his career. But he has always been

1009
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 2: good at and obviously this matter is pitching a gabp.

1010
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: He has always been really good at keeping the ball

1011
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: in the ballpark. He gave up just two home runs

1012
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: all season in over sixty five innings, and if you

1013
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 2: go back, he's given up thirty two bombs in his career.

1014
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: Eight of them came his first season with the Dodgers,

1015
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: so he's been good at getting out lefties, been good

1016
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: at keeping the ball in the ballpark. Obviously, the Reds

1017
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 2: brought out Brands Sooners, so they have had a need

1018
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: for a lefty reliever, needed another one. On top of

1019
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: Sam Maull, Caleb Ferguson.

1020
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 5: And Ohio native.

1021
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: They got an Ohio native and free agency, which is

1022
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: exactly what everybody wanted. Caleb Ferguson signs with the Reds

1023
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: one year contract to pitch out of the Since and

1024
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: Edie Bullpen, he has been used almost exclusively in relief,

1025
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: made some starts with the Dodgers, but has spent the

1026
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: last number of years with the Yankees, astros, Pirates and

1027
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 2: Mariners used exclusively in relief. Phone calls are coming up

1028
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: here in just a second. We spent one segment on

1029
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: the issue on Sunday with the Bengals not wiping the

1030
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: snow off the seats, and I've watched people fight about

1031
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: this on social media. I'll just I'll do this. I'll

1032
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: put it to you this way. Number One, I think

1033
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: the Bengals have for the most part, and I'm a

1034
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: season ticket holder. I did not go to the game

1035
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 2: on Sunday because my daughter had a basketball game and

1036
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to be there for that, so I didn't go.

1037
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 5: But I love going to Bengals games.

1038
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: There are times where things happen at games, and I'll

1039
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: talk about them, like when the escalator doesn't work. I

1040
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: think that sucks. But for the most part, I think

1041
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: when it comes to like fan engagement, the in game experience,

1042
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: working at the stadium, they're really good, and for years

1043
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: I thought they weren't. I think that has been a

1044
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: sharp departure from what the Bengals used to be over

1045
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: the last I don't know, eight or nine years. I

1046
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: think going to a Bengals game, it's a good environment.

1047
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: I think they're really good at policing drunk fans, fans

1048
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: who are there to ruin everybody's good time. Like I think,

1049
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: the Bengals game experience is usually really good. So I

1050
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: know folks who saw what happened with the snow and

1051
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: it was their excuse to gratuitously wail.

1052
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 5: Away at the Bengals. I don't do that now.

1053
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 2: When I see things that I think are interesting or

1054
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: relatable to the audience that they deserve criticism for, bring

1055
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: it up, Bring it up. I thought part of what

1056
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: happened on Sunday is explainable, maybe to a degree excusable

1057
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: in terms of not being able to handle the crowd.

1058
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: Like I think there were some technology issues and staffing

1059
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: issues there that were a little beyond everybody's control. I

1060
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 2: think that's also a scenario where more people show up

1061
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: at the exact same time than a normal game because

1062
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 2: not as many people tailgated because of the weather, or

1063
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: a lot of folks tailgated and decided screw this, let's

1064
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: at least go in. And so I think that, on

1065
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: top of the number of open entrances, was unfortunate. I

1066
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: don't think anything nefarious went on there. I think that

1067
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: was just a series of rough circumstances. In terms of

1068
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: the snow being wiped off the seat, again, I didn't

1069
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: go to the game. Had I gone to the game,

1070
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: if the snow is on my seat, I would have

1071
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: wiped it off.

1072
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 5: No big deal.

1073
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: But let me just ask this, isn't it cool when

1074
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: someone does something nice for you. When my wife and

1075
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: I moved to the West Side of Cincinnati, we lived

1076
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: downtown and we had our daughter, and we wanted we

1077
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: moved to the west side because my wife's a West Sider.

1078
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: For a few different reasons that are not important now.

1079
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: When we lived downtown, I didn't have a snowshovel. I

1080
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: don't have a snow blower. I don't have salt. We

1081
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: didn't need it. We lived downtown. So we move in

1082
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: early January, like the first Saturday afternoon year's we move,

1083
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: and the next day at snows and I remember that morning, like, dude,

1084
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: I'm totally unprepared. I run to home depot to get

1085
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: a snowshovel, and I remember the guy like at home

1086
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: depots laughing at me. U and I come home and

1087
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: by the time I do, my neighbor had shoveled my driveway.

1088
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: I was perfectly okay shoveling my driveway, but this guy

1089
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: was doing his knew we had just moved and thought

1090
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do something cool for the neighbor. It took

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00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: him ten minutes. He went above and beyond. This is

1092
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: really nice of him. Didn't need to do it, but

1093
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: it was much appreciated because it's it feels good when

1094
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: someone kind of goes above and.

1095
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 5: Beyond to do something nice for you.

1096
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: A few weeks ago, my wife or her birthday, we

1097
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: went to dinner at a place in Hyde Park and

1098
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: I'm not mentioning their name because I can't remember the

1099
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,479
Speaker 2: name of the place. But it was a good meal.

1100
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: The short rib lasagna was amazing. I made a seven

1101
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: to fifteen reservation. We got there for a reservation. They

1102
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: were a little bit backed up. And that happens on

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00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: a Saturday night. Like I've worked in restaurants, Like sometimes

1104
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: you show up and you're gonna have to wait a

1105
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: few minutes because people take longer to eat, they linger

1106
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: that sort of thing.

1107
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 5: So we wait, No big deal.

1108
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: We hang out, wait for like ten minutes, get our table,

1109
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: and the host says, hey, manager wants to give you

1110
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 2: guys around the drinks for waiting, and it's like, Nah,

1111
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: don't dude, stop and it's like, no, what we want

1112
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 2: to do. Didn't have to do it, did it? Because

1113
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: it's nice to do things for people, and it's nice

1114
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: when you're the recipient of something where the people who

1115
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 2: give it to you go above and beyond. The Bengals

1116
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: on Sunday did not put anybody in physical harm. I

1117
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 2: don't believe anybody was put in physical harm. I don't

1118
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: think anybody ud safety was compromised. Most people who went

1119
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: to the game probably had no major issue wiping the

1120
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 2: snow off their seats or chipping ice off their seats,

1121
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: even if it was a minor inconvenience. But would you

1122
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: rather walk up to a seat where the snow is

1123
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: cleared for you, or where you have to clear the snow?

1124
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty damn cool when my new

1125
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: neighbors shovel my driveway for me. Deep down inside, I'd

1126
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: rather somebody shovel my driveway for me than me have

1127
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: to do it myself, even though I'm perfectly okay doing

1128
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: it myself. It was an opportunity missed during a period

1129
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: of time where the weather stinks, team's not very good.

1130
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: People are still showing up, and you had a chance

1131
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 2: to go above and beyond for them, and you didn't.

1132
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: I think to a degree, that's taking your customers for granted.

1133
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean the Bengals don't care about their customers.

1134
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that the Bengals are an awful organization

1135
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 2: you may feel they are. I say this as a

1136
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: consistent customer. I'm going back next year, and I've hated

1137
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: this season because I like going to football games and

1138
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: I typically have a good experience. All that was on

1139
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: Sunday was a chance to show some effort and go

1140
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: slightly above and beyond to help ensure to the best

1141
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: that you could the comfort of your fans.

1142
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: That's it.

1143
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 5: So like I've had people say to me, like, dude,

1144
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 5: I had no problem brushing off the snow.

1145
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: Cool, but wouldn't have been kind of nice had you thought, Man,

1146
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 2: somebody showed up early this morning brushed off the snow

1147
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: for me. That for me, it's nice when people do

1148
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: nice things for you. It's nice when people do nice

1149
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: things for you that you could have done yourself, but

1150
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: that they did for you. Or it's nice when someone

1151
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: does something nice for you to show you some degree

1152
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: of appreciation or just show some degree of kindness. On Sunday,

1153
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: Bengals had a chance to go above and beyond, demonstrate

1154
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: some kindness, make people feel good about the experience going to.

1155
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: The football game. That's it, that's all.

1156
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: And honestly, I don't know how you could disagree with

1157
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 2: what I just said. We're gonna preview one of the

1158
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: premier high school basketball events in the country. It's going

1159
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: to be in Cincinnati and will take some phone calls

1160
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 2: coming up as well on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 10: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 10: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,200
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Speaker 7: On westbound State Route thirty two, there's an accident between

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Speaker 7: Harold and Bauer Road that has got the right lane

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Speaker 7: blocked off southbound seventy five. An accident on the left

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Speaker 7: shoulder in Ohio between Union Center Boulevard and two seventy

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Speaker 7: five expec delays on at Ezelak with traffic.

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Speaker 2: who pitched last season with the Pirates and Mariners. Caleb

1180
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 2: is thirty years going to be thirty years old during

1181
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: the season next year. Spent most of his career with

1182
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: the LA Dodgers. Lefty batters betted one to eighty four

1183
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: against him last year. Cincinnati also announcing today their Hall

1184
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Speaker 2: of Fame class of twenty twenty six Brandon Phillips, Aaron Harang,

1185
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: Reggie Sanders, and Lou Panela induction ceremonies the weekend of

1186
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: April twenty fourth, twenty fifth, and twenty six. College hoops

1187
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: Tonight Miami is taking on Right State Tonight, Dayton battles

1188
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Speaker 2: Florida State Hockey. The Blue Jackets skate against the Ducks.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk some high school hoops next on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: to thirty.

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01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 10: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 7: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center. U See Cancer

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Speaker 7: cancers and clinical trials. You won't find anywhere else get

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Speaker 7: five UCCCE On westbound State Route thirty two, there's an

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Speaker 7: accident between Harold and Bauer Road that has got the

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Speaker 7: right lane blocked off southbound seventy five. An accident on

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Speaker 7: the left shoulder in Ohio between Union Center Boulevard and

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Speaker 7: two seventy five expec delays. I'm at Ezelach with trap.

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Speaker 2: Of the best high school basketball events in the country

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Speaker 2: is going to be happening again shortly after Christmas, the

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: twenty seventh and twenty eighth of December. It's going to

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01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: be at the Centa Center on Xavier's campus. Twenty two

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Speaker 2: elite teams taking part in the fourth annual Beacon Orthopedics

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Speaker 2: and Sports Medicine Holiday Hardwood Classic.

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Speaker 5: This is a great event.

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Speaker 2: We talk about it every single year and Rich Newman

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01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: helps put on this event. He joins us as he

1210
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: does every year. It's like a rite of passage. It's

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01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 2: like an annual tradition. Rich, that's the verbage I'm looking for.

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01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Rich. Awesome to have you as always.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 11: Good, afternoon, I'm doing great, and thanks again for having

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Speaker 11: me on it. Seems like these years keep rolling more

1216
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 11: quickly into each other. And I guess that's when you're

1217
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 11: running out a runway like I am. I guess that's

1218
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 11: what it seems like.

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01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: Well, I guess so's it's a great event. It happens

1220
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: every year two days twenty two teams at the Centa

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Speaker 2: Center tell folks what will be happening December twenty seventh

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Speaker 2: to twenty eight.

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Speaker 11: Well, really excited about the field this year.

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Speaker 6: I tally it up this.

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Speaker 11: Year we're going to go over now for the four years,

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 11: we will have over fifty schools having participated in this

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01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 11: event since its inception, and the line up is strong.

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Speaker 11: Who's got Mount under Dame versus Belbrook from Dayton on

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01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 11: Saturday to kick things off or tip things off, and

1230
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 11: then Boy Sycamore versus the sal Newport versus Lebanon Princeton

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01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 11: versus Cathedral coming over from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 6: That's going to be a huge game.

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Speaker 11: And we'll circle back to why it's become even huger,

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01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 11: if that's a word. Anderson versus now Healthy Taylor versus

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01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 11: Holy Cross from Comington, two really good small school programs.

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01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 11: And then on Sunday we start with another girl's game,

1237
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 11: Milford versus Lakota East. We have Milford Boys versus Cincinnati

1238
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 11: Hill's Christian Academy. Probably the best game in the field

1239
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 11: is next Princeton versus Wittonwood's Girls. So we've got the

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Speaker 11: returning undefeated D two state champs playing the D one

1241
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Speaker 11: runner up last year in a state tornament.

1242
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Speaker 6: So that's going to be.

1243
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Speaker 11: A real, a real great game for people to see.

1244
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 11: Best two matchups Wyoming Small School versus Centerville always a

1245
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Speaker 11: perennial power in the Dayton area.

1246
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Speaker 6: And across the state.

1247
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 11: And then Mason versus McNicholas is the night cap on Sunday.

1248
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Speaker 11: As I said, we're really pleased with the caliber of

1249
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Speaker 11: a play we're going to have again this year.

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Speaker 2: So it's two days. It's at the Cintas Center. Daily

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Speaker 2: tickets are thirteen dollars in advance. Got a holiday Hardwood

1252
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Speaker 2: Classic dot com. You can get day of event daily

1253
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Speaker 2: passes at the Cintas Center box office. Those are sixteen dollars.

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Speaker 2: You also have for this year. First time this year,

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Speaker 2: the participating schools are engaged in a friendly sales competition.

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Speaker 5: Ticket sales competition. Tell us about that, Well, we.

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Speaker 11: Decided that we want to do what we can to

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Speaker 11: give back to the community as part of this event,

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Speaker 11: and we are having what is a friendly competition and

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Speaker 11: all the schools are going to participate and the school

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Speaker 11: each day that sells the most advanced tickets minium of

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Speaker 11: one hundred and fifty will have a five hundred dollars

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Speaker 11: donation made on behalf of the Holiday Hardwood Classic to

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Speaker 11: either their booster club or the.

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Speaker 6: Charity of their choice.

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Speaker 11: And another wrinkle in that is also Jay your season

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Speaker 11: ticket holders if they purchase through the specific ticket link

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Speaker 11: on our website for Xavier season ticket holders, fifty percent

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Speaker 11: of the revenue generated from those ticket sales is going to.

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Speaker 6: The All for One fund.

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Speaker 11: So we're trying those two things not only to gym

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Speaker 11: up ticket sales, but also to be able to get

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Speaker 11: back to the community.

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Speaker 2: All right, tons of games all weekend long, all day

1275
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Speaker 2: and night on Saturday, all day and night on Sunday,

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 2: the Beacon Orthopedics and Sports Medicine Holiday Hardwood Classic at

1277
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: the Centa Center the weekend after Christmas. This is an

1278
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Speaker 2: awesome event. Is there anything else we need to know?

1279
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Speaker 11: Well, I obviously have to give a shout out to

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Speaker 11: our presenting sponsors the Rosa's Skyline show at Home City.

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 11: I's back again for year four, and our immediate partner

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Speaker 11: is Fox nineteen, the Cincinnati Enquirer and you guys ESPN

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Speaker 11: fifteen thirty and everybody at iHeart the only other thing.

1284
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Speaker 11: I always wind up our interview with or.

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Speaker 6: At least inserted somewhere.

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Speaker 3: MO.

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Speaker 11: I saw Bruce three times, I just saw. I saw

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Speaker 11: Bruce three times in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: How about you?

1290
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: I saw him zero times in twenty twenty five because

1291
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 2: I did not go overseas need him to play Stateside.

1292
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 11: I saw him in May and Philly at citizens Benang

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Speaker 11: Park and a rescheduled show.

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Speaker 6: And again, I.

1295
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 11: Could be I could be wrong, but I think I

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01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 11: smiled probably last.

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Speaker 6: Year I saw him a Pittsburgh trying the rescheduled show. Anyway, right,

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Speaker 6: Bruce is the Boss, and you and I share that love.

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Speaker 2: We share an affinity for the Boss. I saw the movie,

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01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: I've watched the doc. I need to see a show

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Speaker 2: in person in twenty twenty six. He's got to make

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Speaker 2: that happen. And if so, Rich, I'm sure we'll touch

1303
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: base and be there together.

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Speaker 11: Sounds great, Mo, You know, listen you have a great

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Speaker 11: holiday season, and thanks again for having me on.

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Speaker 6: Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: You got it.

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Speaker 2: eleven away from five o'clock. One more guest between now

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Speaker 2: and six, and you and I in between on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 9: Out here, every holiday gift should.

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Speaker 2: Be won, though you as the NBA Cup Tonight rematch

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Speaker 2: with the nineteen ninety nine NBA.

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Speaker 5: Finals the Knicks and Spurs, and.

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Speaker 2: Chance to bring a championship home to New York for

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Speaker 2: the Bakers, first since seventy three, but maybe not their

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Speaker 2: lastest basketball season. The NBA Cup prestigious, prestigious event. And hey, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm just answering a question, Okay, is the only game

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Speaker 2: going on the night is some college games a Dayton

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Speaker 2: Florida State, really good Miami team Travis Steals team got

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Speaker 2: four votes in the AP Top twenty five Pole. RedHawks

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Speaker 2: take on Wright State tonight Louisville and Tennessee Battle, which

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Speaker 2: should be a great one.

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Speaker 5: But you could really feel the entire country.

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Speaker 2: I think they're expecting like football playoff game type ratings

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Speaker 2: on Amazon Prime Time for the NBA Cup Title game,

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Speaker 2: and you could certainly understand why we got a few

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Speaker 2: minutes seven fifteen thirty. Mike, go ahead, you're on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Mom, You're welcome, Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 12: Mo.

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01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, you were.

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01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 8: Talking about earlier about oh yeah, guy, that doubled your driveway.

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 8: It was such a nice Well, that's how I feel

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 8: about you, because you let me on your radio show

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 8: all the time, and I really appreciate it.

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01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 3: Very very kind of you to say, well, it's true.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Drew, I hope you're doing well.

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Speaker 6: I love Drew.

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01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 3: Drew's a good dude.

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01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,799
Speaker 2: Mah, Drew, Drew, Drew's doing great right now. He's wiping

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Speaker 2: seats off for people.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Mike.

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01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's when you know your football team's in trouble

1352
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 8: when you start talking about wiper.

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01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 2: Truth, Mike, do you think anybody would care about the

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01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: seats having snow on him if they were.

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Speaker 5: Ten and four?

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Speaker 8: Oh no, I don't disagree, not even clothes. But god,

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Speaker 8: I got so many things I wanted to talk to

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 8: you about. I'd like you to get this college basketball

1359
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 8: real quick. Okay, Uh, UC's got to quit drafting guys

1360
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 8: named Baba and Jizzle and Drizzle and Boo boo and haha,

1361
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 8: and they got guys. I'm trying to be funny. Obviously

1362
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 8: it's not, but they.

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Speaker 2: Don't draft at college and I couldn't care what their

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01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: names are. They need guys who could play. They need

1365
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: big twelve caliber guys. They need NBA guys like dude,

1366
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 2: call it what it is. Need NBA players, eight guys

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Speaker 2: who have like a legitimate NBA future, And like Mustapha

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: cham came over from UCF and I've seen him on

1369
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 2: NBA mock draft boards. He's not played like an NBA player.

1370
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: Maybe Baba Miller would be Baba Miller I think has

1371
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 2: been for the most part, a bright spot. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure what they're supposed to be offensively, Mike, Uh and

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01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 2: I think the frustrating. The frustrating thing is a lot

1374
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: of us have been saying that now for a while.

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01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 8: I'm lost because I know you and Tony were very

1376
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 8: high on this team preseason. You were high on this team.

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01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was high.

1378
01:10:59,200 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 5: I was high on him.

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Speaker 2: From perspective, I thought last year they attempted to just

1380
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 2: accumulate talent and they couldn't make the pieces fit. I

1381
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: felt like this offseason there was more of an effort

1382
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 2: to build a roster, and maybe there was, but it

1383
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: hasn't resulted in a team that looks appreciably better than

1384
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: the pieces than a team of pieces that didn't fit

1385
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: last year.

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01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 8: No, and as I said, that's how I felt before

1387
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 8: the season started. I really think Patinos team will have

1388
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 8: a better record than you see by the end of

1389
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 8: the year. Even with what he doesn't have anything to work.

1390
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 8: This guy is one heck of a basketball coach.

1391
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I think, let's call it what it is.

1392
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: I think there's more winnable games in the Big East,

1393
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: in the Big Twelve.

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01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 5: That's it.

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: Get mo U season the Big Twelve and so yeah,

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 2: I think Xavier is going to win more games because

1397
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: I think there's more winnable games in the Big Twelve.

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 2: I would have a hard time believing that Xavier is

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01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 2: good enough to beat Yukon. I don't think they're good

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Speaker 2: enough to beat Saint John's. I could be dead wrong

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: about that, but there's a whole lot of games in

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: that conference where you're like, yes, Zavier could beat them.

1403
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of games in the Big Twelve where

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01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 2: it's frankly hard to imagine the Bearcats pulling off a victory.

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 2: And you couple that with the rate of improvement. If

1406
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 2: that continues for the Musketeers, then I think it's fun

1407
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: to think about where that team might be in a month.

1408
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's far fetched that aught to suggest

1409
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: the Musketeers are going to end up with more wins

1410
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: than the Bearcats.

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01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 8: I think the future looks bright for Xavier with him,

1412
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 8: and I'm happy about that Coach cow down there, Razor

1413
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 8: back Heaven has got one hell of an energetic, great basket.

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 8: They have played the most brutal schedule I've ever seen

1415
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 8: a team play, other than Denny Crumb back in the

1416
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 8: eighties pre conference. This is a dangerous basketball team, though, and.

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01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 2: They are no I can't disagree. I would have to

1418
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: hold their schedule up. I know Arkansas has played, beat

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: a really good Texas Tech team, beat a good Louisville team,

1420
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 2: they played Duke yukon schedule has been insane. Kentucky's schedule

1421
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 2: has been murderous.

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 5: I believe Arkansas played in Michigan.

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 2: State and they lost that game, if I'm not mistaken

1424
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: by five or six points.

1425
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I've not seen Arkansas play beyond a few minutes

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01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: of the Louisville game and a few minutes of the

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01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: Duke game. But John Calipari seems to I don't want

1429
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 2: to say reborn, but the staleness that was very evident

1430
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: towards the end of the UK does not appear to

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01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 2: be an issue in Fayetteville.

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01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 8: In Texas, texa really good club. In the first half,

1434
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 8: Texas Tech dominated and they came out in the second

1435
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 8: half Arkansas and just smoked them.

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Speaker 6: It was crazy.

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 8: Can I get to a quit Joe comment if you

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 8: don't mind.

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01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 5: Very quickly up against the top, go ahead.

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Speaker 8: Okay. Austin made a comment today that he didn't really

1441
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 8: care if we had He didn't think it made a

1442
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 8: big difference some draft time. If we had between a

1443
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,759
Speaker 8: nine and a fifteen pick. I beg the differ because

1444
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 8: I think there'll be so many quarterbacks going early in

1445
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,520
Speaker 8: the in the first round that and we need defenders.

1446
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 8: So I think I'd read much rather be at nine

1447
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 8: than fifteen. But what worries me about Joe is I

1448
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 8: think this is the worst season that he's had to

1449
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 8: encounter since he's been here. And I have no idea

1450
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 8: if that's getting to him. It could be, but it

1451
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 8: is the worst season since Joe's been here, and I

1452
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 8: just worry about history repeating him itself, which is negative.

1453
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 8: Back to Carson, I don't want this to happen, but

1454
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 8: I'm worried. I'm worried about the whole deal.

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's always a level of concern about

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01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: where your franchise is headed when it's going through a

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 2: season like this, and then you add two history, and

1458
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 2: you add to it what messages were being sent intentional

1459
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: or otherwise by the quarterback to it, and yeah, it

1460
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 2: creates concern. I'll address more of that when we come back. Mike,

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: good to talk to you, as always.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, Moll.

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Speaker 1: This week, the Bengals and Dolphins meet up in Miami

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty one. Bud Light Sounds. If you're

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Speaker 2: There are exceptions, Like you know, for instance, if you're

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Speaker 2: an NKU basketball fan, NK, you's playing really well right now.

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Speaker 2: In fact, tomorrow night they've got a Teddy Bear toss

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Speaker 2: fun to watch, pretty good time. If you're an NKU fan,

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Speaker 2: a Xavier basketball is playing really well right now. But

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Speaker 2: if you're a if you're a Bengals fan, you're you're

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Speaker 2: a season that has just been frankly miserable. The Bengals

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Speaker 2: I think he's an upgrade from brent Souter, and we

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Speaker 2: see basketball's not going roll right now. So you're a

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01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 3: It's awesome here.

1519
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, get outside to play some

1520
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: mini golf, but I'm not sure I want to do

1521
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 2: that right now. We love Oakley Greens. A lot of

1522
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 2: ground to cover between now and six o'clock. Our guy

1523
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 2: Sean Sayad is going to join us. A few things

1524
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 2: let's start with Joe Burrow and then we'll get to

1525
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 2: what Dana wrote about today for The Athletic about the

1526
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 2: changes the Bengals will not be making. I certainly think

1527
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of sort of silly conversations about

1528
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow in the aftermath of last week and Sunday.

1529
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 2: I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast this morning, and

1530
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 2: they were talking about Joe Burrow playing for the Giants

1531
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 2: next year. Joe Burrow is probably not going to play

1532
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 2: for the New York Giants next year or anybody else,

1533
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 2: and he's probably not gonna retire. If you had to

1534
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: wager an amount of money that matters to you on

1535
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 2: what Joe Burrow is gonna be doing in September of

1536
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, you would put it on him playing

1537
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bengals. And you would put it on

1538
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 2: him playing well for the Cincinnati Bengals, because that's been

1539
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 2: his track record. And so I am like most in

1540
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 2: that I roll my eyes when I see Ah he's

1541
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: gonna pull a Carson or he's he's gonna pull an

1542
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck, Like, stop short of that, stop short of that,

1543
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 2: we don't know. We don't you don't know that. I

1544
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: stopped short of imagining which teams could overwhelm the Bengals

1545
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: for a trade, because I I just don't think, and

1546
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 2: I could be dead wrong. None of us are qualified

1547
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: to get in Joe Burrow's head, But I don't know

1548
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: that we have to take the conversation there quite yet.

1549
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 2: I do think it is completely reasonable to wonder what's up.

1550
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 2: I do think it is completely reasonable to wonder, if

1551
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: the losing continues, how is this gonna play out? If

1552
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 2: this keeps going the way it has been this season,

1553
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 2: how's this gonna go?

1554
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 5: I know there are some among.

1555
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: Us for whom these conversations are difficult. You love Joe Burrow.

1556
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: I love Joe Burrow. You're a Bengals fan. I'm a

1557
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: Bengals fan, and it may make you uncomfortable to even

1558
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 2: think that there's a level of dissent or dissatisfaction that

1559
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 2: could eventually rise to the level of maybe Joe one

1560
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 2: day deciding that I don't want to play for the

1561
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: Bengals anymore. And by the way, maybe that comes at

1562
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: the end of his current contract.

1563
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 5: Who knows.

1564
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: Joe tried to ease people's concerns on Sunday, and I

1565
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: think I don't think did a very good job, quite frankly,

1566
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: because we solemn heard what he said on Wednesday of

1567
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 2: last week. We saw the body language. We also saw

1568
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 2: how he played, So we'll say, we'll see how it

1569
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: looks and how he plays over these last three games.

1570
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 2: I would just ask this if if you think that

1571
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow conversation is too silly to even have, and

1572
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: you know this is not worth talking about because everything's

1573
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 2: going to be fine, Okay, I hope it is, trust me,

1574
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 2: I hope it is. But what would make Joe Burrow

1575
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 2: different from any number of players who have come before him? Like,

1576
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have to recite all the names. Frankly,

1577
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: I probably don't have time to recite all the names.

1578
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 2: But there's a very long list of Bengals players who

1579
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: have at some point, and sometimes even after the fact,

1580
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:54,520
Speaker 2: but at some point, expressed frustration or unhappiness with the franchise,

1581
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 2: a long list of players who have asked to be traded,

1582
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 2: who have tried to engineer an exit in one particular

1583
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: noteworthy instance, threatened to retire, or have held out or

1584
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: have held in like player discontent. The Bengals are far

1585
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: from the only team. But player discontent, player unhappiness, player exhaustion, exasperation,

1586
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: player reaching a mental point of no return. Those are

1587
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 2: all things that, unfortunately, are part of this franchise's history.

1588
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 2: I've been following this team since I was eight years old.

1589
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 2: That was a long damn time ago. I spent a

1590
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: lot of time as a kid listening to my dad

1591
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 2: talk with his friends about the latest player who didn't

1592
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 2: want to be here. We have been having these conversations

1593
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: for quite a while, so of course, his frustration and

1594
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 2: possible reasons for frustration, those are gonna be fair game.

1595
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 2: Those are gonna be up for discussion. You have a

1596
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: quarterback who, for the most part, has been everything the

1597
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 2: Bengals ever could have asked for, who plays a position

1598
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 2: where he's judged almost entirely by how much does he win,

1599
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: Who has more at stake when it comes to this

1600
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 2: team's on field fortunes than anybody else, who doesn't have

1601
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: forever to play, doesn't have decades of a career in

1602
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: front of him, probably has maybe at best a decade

1603
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: in front of him.

1604
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1605
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 2: Yes, if the losing continues, if things behind the scenes

1606
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 2: are unfolding in a way that he finds off putting

1607
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: for lack of a better way of putting it, What

1608
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: would make him different from anybody else that he wouldn't

1609
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: reach a point where he goes, I don't want to

1610
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: do this anymore. By the way, you can decide I

1611
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: don't want to do this anymore and simply let your

1612
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 2: contract go, let your contract expire, Like that's possible.

1613
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 5: You know.

1614
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: My guess is that if Joe Burrow plays at a

1615
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: high level over the next couple of years, they will

1616
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: come to him and say like, Hey, we've got a deal,

1617
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 2: but how can we extend it? How can we keep

1618
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: it going? How can we pay you past the age

1619
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 2: of thirty three? And Joe may go, hell, yeah, let's

1620
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 2: do it. Want to be a Bengal for life. Joe

1621
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: may also go, e, I'm good. And if he does that,

1622
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 2: you're going to start to wonder about, well, is Joe

1623
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 2: Burrow going to leave here when he can now?

1624
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1625
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: There are mechanisms like franchise tags and things like that.

1626
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of cherished and beloved players passed

1627
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 2: and present who have had issues with the Bengals, like

1628
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 2: those long drawn out contract negotiations. Those are issues a

1629
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: result of issues players have had with the Bengals, and

1630
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 2: they have been resolved. Usually money resolves issues like that,

1631
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 2: or winning can resolve issues like that. But I guess

1632
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 2: my question would be for those who feel like this

1633
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 2: conversation and the speculation about Joe Burrow overblown. Number one, Yeah,

1634
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: some people have had overblown takes. Some people have inflated,

1635
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 2: uh this story to the degree that they have Joe

1636
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: Burrow playing for another team next year. Again, I don't

1637
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 2: think that's gonna happen. But when you have a franchise

1638
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 2: that has a history of players who have expressed unhappiness,

1639
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 2: why would we discount the possibility that Joe Burrow could

1640
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 2: eventually be one of them? Five point three seven, four nine,

1641
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Why would anybody and and not just Carson

1642
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 2: Palmer like at various points, whether it's Chad Johnson, whether

1643
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 2: it's Joe Mixon, whether it's Trey Hendrick, Zim Carl Pickens.

1644
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 2: If you want to go back a long time boomera size,

1645
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 2: I remember how things ended in Cincinnati Boomer size and

1646
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, and a whole lot of other players

1647
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 2: who maybe aren't as well known Corey Dylan, like this

1648
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,879
Speaker 2: franchise where there has been a track record of players

1649
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 2: just going, dude, I don't want to be here anymore.

1650
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 2: And some have staged very acrimonious standoffs with the team,

1651
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 2: and some have been very public in their frustration. Some

1652
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 2: have been I don't know, public, but they've they've kind

1653
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 2: of made people read between the lines, like dude. There's

1654
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 2: a long line of players who at some point have

1655
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: decided like I'm done here. Maybe it's financial, maybe they

1656
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: don't like the coach, whatever it is. So of course

1657
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 2: it's on the table with Joe while the losing continues

1658
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 2: until then, until they're winning again, and until Joe Burrow

1659
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 2: is a major reason why they're winning, and until his

1660
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: seasons results in the team having a legitimate chance to

1661
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 2: play for a championship, and until his best games aren't

1662
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 2: being wasted. I don't know how you don't consider the

1663
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: possibility that it's point Joe Burrow decides I don't want

1664
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 2: to play for the Cincinnati Bengals anymore. I'm not, And

1665
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody should jump to any conclusions about

1666
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 2: where he's gonna go or what he's gonna do in

1667
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 2: the short term, but like, why you know, folks saw

1668
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: his demeanor and body language last week and made a

1669
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 2: big deal about the fact that he says, well, this

1670
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: has got to be fun. Like, wouldn't you be more

1671
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 2: surprised if he said he was having fun? Wouldn't you

1672
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: be more surprised if he's like, hey, he's gonna having

1673
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 2: a blast, Like you're having a blast being the face

1674
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 2: of a team that this year is going nowhere. You're

1675
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: having a blast in the year another year where you

1676
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: had to have surgery.

1677
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 5: So I just.

1678
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 2: We folks can be irresponsible with this, and god knows,

1679
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: I've seen it, and I've seen headlines and I've seen

1680
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 2: shouty show segments where people are saying crazy things about

1681
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: where Joe is going to be and what he's gonna do.

1682
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 2: All I know is this, the team team isn't winning.

1683
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,839
Speaker 2: He has the most to gain and lose by not winning,

1684
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: or the most to gain by winning and the most

1685
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 2: to lose by not winning. I guess I should say

1686
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 2: he plays for a team where there's a long list

1687
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 2: of players who have been like dude, this is There

1688
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: have been coaches who have done that, like folks who

1689
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 2: have expressed frustration if there's frustration. Some may decide to

1690
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 2: live with it. I know a lot of folks who

1691
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 2: are frustrated with their job but don't leave. Joe may

1692
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 2: get frustrated channel it into great performances. Joe may get

1693
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 2: frustrated and make compromise his performances. But when you have

1694
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: a franchise with a history of players who have been

1695
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if I want to do

1696
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 2: this anymore. I don't know that you should ever exempt

1697
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 2: Joe from considering that possibility. See Sean sayat Stats and

1698
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 2: Scheme newsletter coming up. Paul Danner Junior joined us in

1699
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: the first hour of the show and wrote a piece

1700
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 2: today for The Athletic about the likelihood of their being changes,

1701
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 2: which spoiler alert, I want you.

1702
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 5: To go read it. You're not going to walk away

1703
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 5: from it.

1704
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Feeling like the Bengals are going to make any wholesale

1705
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 2: changes in terms of firings people losing their job. So

1706
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: the question becomes, how do you change if you're not

1707
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 2: firing people. I'll try to come up with an answer.

1708
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 2: Coming up in twenty minutes on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 2: I either touched in or said something very interesting, or

1724
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 2: folks just want to hear themselves talk instead of me,

1725
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 2: And you cannot blame them for that because our lines

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01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 2: blew up during the break. We will get to everybody,

1727
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 2: but first our guys. Sean sayat he of the Stats

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Speaker 2: and Scheme newsletter from sumer Sports dot Com, Sean, how

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01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: are we doing well?

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01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 8: I'm doing all right.

1731
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 13: You know, unfortunately we got another another time. I'm talking

1732
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 13: with a Bangals team not going to be in the playoffs,

1733
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 13: but you know, I'm finding a way to get through.

1734
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 5: Can you give me any advice on how to get through?

1735
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 13: You know, hopefully whatever music Jo Brow's listening to maybe

1736
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 13: not that music. I know he's not a field the

1737
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 13: best right now, and I don't blame him kind of

1738
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 13: considering what happened on the field this weekend.

1739
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,520
Speaker 8: But you know, I think you come look forward to some.

1740
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 13: Small improvements on defense. Maybe it'd be hard to get worse,

1741
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 13: I think next season, and then you're hoping an offense

1742
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 13: that comes back fully.

1743
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 3: Healthy and ready to go.

1744
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: Can I ask a stupid question, Oh, the Bengals this

1745
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 2: season have been historically bad at covering the.

1746
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: Middle of the field.

1747
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: When you watch the teams that are good at covering

1748
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 2: the middle of the field, what do they do that

1749
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 2: the Bengals don't.

1750
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 13: I think a lot of teams are any more resources

1751
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 13: to it. So if you're having like four players underneath

1752
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 13: since the three, that's going to be one difference. Also,

1753
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 13: playing linebacker in the NFL is so sub hard. So

1754
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 13: the best offenses are finding the exact ways to make

1755
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 13: it too hard for that player to cover the rock

1756
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 13: and cover the pass. So I do think there is

1757
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 13: a little bit at the player evaluation level where you

1758
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 13: know you're hoping for I think, just better players at

1759
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 13: those spots. But it really does feel like all of

1760
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 13: these things combined, where the linebackers, you know, not feeling

1761
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 13: to play out correctly, where they're really really biting in

1762
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 13: the wrong direction, something is going the other way. So

1763
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 13: I do think there's a combination of play field, maybe

1764
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 13: a little bit of the design. But yeah, I don't

1765
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 13: have to have to show you too much film to

1766
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 13: know and to tell you that it's been a little

1767
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 13: bit tough watching the Bengals linebacker as at time this season.

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01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 2: When you watched the Bengals offense this weekend, critically, what

1769
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 2: was missing?

1770
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 13: No, I think the high pressure situation that's really tough.

1771
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 13: You go three or for fifteen on third downs. You

1772
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 13: missed that fourth down as well. Of course that high

1773
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 13: ball in that third and five interception, that's a really

1774
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 13: really tough situation. You have the pick six where cool

1775
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 13: play on defense, but you just have miscommunications for the

1776
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 13: offensive lot. So it did feel like the Bengals were

1777
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,560
Speaker 13: moving the ball like decently at times. Right you have

1778
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 13: the fourth down myths and that interception that are happening

1779
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,799
Speaker 13: in Raven's territory overall, So it just felt like every

1780
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 13: single high leverage moment was going against you. Where you're

1781
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 13: now on offense that is totally funneled through one receiver

1782
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 13: obviously when t Higgins is out, So.

1783
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 8: Just felt like your margin for error was.

1784
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 13: So soaked in and you just didn't get the lights

1785
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 13: out hundreds percentile Borough performance that you know sometimes has

1786
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 13: carried the Bengals to win so far.

1787
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 2: You like nerd out on film watching the NFL? Which

1788
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 2: are the offenses do you love watching the most?

1789
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 13: The Bears offenses is super super fun. Watching what Ben

1790
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 13: Johnson's doing there is I think it's getting to the

1791
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 13: special level where it's like him morphing his identity and

1792
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 13: changing things. And this is like the most offense are

1793
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 13: not always just the best here just asking me the

1794
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 13: most fun, Like what I see from them is has

1795
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 13: been really really cool. I think the way the Packers

1796
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 13: have changed things a little bit up over the last

1797
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 13: few weeks has been a lot of fun. Sean mckday

1798
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 13: with the Rams and just being like they dictate the

1799
01:33:33,080 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 13: terms of engagement to defenses. They say, we're gonna make

1800
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:38,759
Speaker 13: you play exactly the way we want you to play,

1801
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 13: and we know exactly how to beat it. So those

1802
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 13: offenses are really really fun. The last one, just because

1803
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 13: I mentioned the Jacksonville Jaguars, I think over the last

1804
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 13: few weeks have been pretty pretty cool just from a

1805
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 13: design perspective, like they are making things crystal clear and

1806
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 13: easy for Trevor Lawrence and it just happens. You know,

1807
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 13: is the ball gonna end in the wide open guy's

1808
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 13: hands or not?

1809
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: When you nerd out and watch other teams defenses, which

1810
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:02,000
Speaker 2: one do you like watching the most?

1811
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 5: Is the answer?

1812
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 3: Not to Houston Texans, I mean.

1813
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 13: The Texas is that's not a nerd out. That's like

1814
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 13: a visceral, like the core of my human spirit. Like

1815
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 13: those guys are big, they're fat, and they are they

1816
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 13: are really fun. I do think from this comatic perspect

1817
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 13: that absolutely you have things like the Minnesota Vikings where

1818
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 13: guys are rotating in different directions, just like at the

1819
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 13: weirdest of weirdest ways. I think the Sea Offs are

1820
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 13: a really good example of a team who you're gonna

1821
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 13: play on their terms like we're gonna play with our

1822
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 13: five defensive backs no matter what you do. I actually

1823
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 13: think the Rams have been pretty fun on defense. Then

1824
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 13: you have the Eagles defense of the cander just really

1825
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 13: really well coached. So you know, I can imagine if

1826
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 13: only watched the Bengals games, it might be a little

1827
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 13: bit less fun. But a lot of good things out

1828
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 13: there in the NFL.

1829
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 2: There are, and we get to pay attention to them

1830
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 2: even more closely since the Bengals and I'll be paying

1831
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 2: playing out the string.

1832
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 5: Shawn. Awesome to have you as always. We'll talk next week.

1833
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much.

1834
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 8: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: ice because they play hockey on ice really quick. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna devote more time to this tomorrow because

1872
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: I think it's a good question. So Paul Dayner Junior

1873
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 2: wrote a piece The Athletic and it's the base. The

1874
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 2: basic crux of it is there are three games to go,

1875
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 2: and so things could change, but as of right now,

1876
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 2: you should probably not expect massive changes. And I think

1877
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 2: the one takeaway for me is that if they fire

1878
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: Al Golden, maybe Zach Taylor is gonna be willing to

1879
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 2: go along with him because he doesn't want to escape

1880
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 2: go to his defensive coordinator. So but right now, I

1881
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 2: think most of us just understanding how this franchise operates

1882
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 2: expects Duke to come back, Zach to come back, Al

1883
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: Golden to come back, most of the main particulars to

1884
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 2: come back.

1885
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 5: We'll see.

1886
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 3: We'll see if the next three games influence that at all.

1887
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 2: Austin asked today, if the people aren't gonna change, how

1888
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 2: the process change now? I'm gonna outline really quick and

1889
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 2: we'll do more of this tomorrow because I want to

1890
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 2: get to folks who have been waiting. There are things

1891
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 2: that can happen, but that doesn't necessarily mean those things

1892
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 2: will happen. You can change your process. The Bengals have

1893
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 2: done this, like they embraced free agency in ways that, frankly,

1894
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 2: for this franchise were unprecedented in twenty twenty.

1895
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:17,800
Speaker 5: Now.

1896
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 2: They kind of had to because the team was so bad.

1897
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 2: They finally were gonna have a franchise quarterback in Burrow

1898
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 2: who was really worth building around, like that money to spend.

1899
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 2: They didn't have a lot of good players. It kind

1900
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,080
Speaker 2: of had to embrace free agency, but they did. There

1901
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 2: was a little bit of a shift there, and you know,

1902
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 2: they changed their policies. It relates to long term contracts

1903
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 2: and negotiating with players before they have more than before.

1904
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 2: They have only one year left on there did Like

1905
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 2: people do evolve, organizations do evolve. I do this show

1906
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 2: differently than I did when it first started. I'll do

1907
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 2: this show differently five years from now that I do

1908
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: it today. People do evolve in processes can change, and

1909
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 2: so I think one thing that's interesting to think about

1910
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 2: and talk about is is there true alignment between the

1911
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 2: coaching staff and the person department. Because I'm gonna guess

1912
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 2: the answer is no, that's got a change. Can that

1913
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 2: change without firings?

1914
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 5: It can? Will?

1915
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 2: It completely reasonable to not sure it will. They can

1916
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:16,160
Speaker 2: they shift in how they in what they prioritize when

1917
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 2: they evaluate college prospects, Whereas next year it's Shamar Stewart

1918
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,799
Speaker 2: type versus a guy who's put a lot on tape

1919
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,800
Speaker 2: but might not have the measurables last year and in

1920
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:30,599
Speaker 2: the past the Bengals have like the measurables. Now, maybe

1921
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:34,519
Speaker 2: they value what's actually put on tape, right like, maybe

1922
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 2: they do change how they negotiate contracts with players and

1923
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 2: get out in front of dudes like DJ Turner. You

1924
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 2: can change by not firing, by hiring, Trust me, Nobody

1925
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 2: expects this to happen. But what if they added more

1926
01:39:47,960 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 2: analytics people, what if they added more scouts? Like, there's

1927
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 2: ways for it to happen. And so I think Austin

1928
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 2: hits on something that's really important, and I will spend

1929
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 2: some more time on this tomorrow. All Right, everybody's gonna

1930
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,959
Speaker 2: come back. How is everybody gonna do their job differently

1931
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 2: in a way that's better and yields better results. I

1932
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 2: do think if you press Zach Taylor, honestly, he would

1933
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 2: tell you he was not on board with the approach

1934
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 2: that Duke Tobin in the front office took with this

1935
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 2: team this past offseason, Like, wait a minute, we're not

1936
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 2: gonna address our defense.

1937
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 5: I would be willing to bet that.

1938
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,879
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor was not a fan of the protracted contract

1939
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:26,799
Speaker 2: situations with Trey Hendrickson, with t Higgins, with Jamar Chase.

1940
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 2: Those things have to change. You've got to decide, like

1941
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:34,839
Speaker 2: we're not gonna do these long drawn out contract negotiations anymore.

1942
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna get out in front of things and we

1943
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 2: trade Trey Hendrickson, Right, I think there are ways to

1944
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Speaker 2: change without firings. I am as skeptical as anybody that

1945
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Speaker 2: those changes will happen to the degree they need to.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's possible, and I think it's

1947
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Speaker 2: the central question facing this organization. Austin put this on

1948
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Speaker 2: Twitter and he's dead He's dead on how do the

1949
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Speaker 2: same people change, and with that change, how do they

1950
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Speaker 2: yield better results? I think there are ways that can't happen.

1951
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Speaker 2: Like you, I'm sure, I'm skeptical that it will. More

1952
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Speaker 2: on that tomorrow. I hope I did a good job

1953
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Speaker 2: of getting through that because I said I would on Twitter.

1954
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Speaker 2: Thanks to those of you who have decided to chime

1955
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Speaker 2: in and are waiting. I will try to get to everybody.

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Speaker 2: Ron you're on ESPN fifteen thirty wrong, go ahead, you're

1957
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Speaker 2: on the radio now talk.

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Speaker 14: Hey, mo.

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Speaker 15: I'll be tuning in because I have to hear what's

1960
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Speaker 15: going on with how they how you can fix things,

1961
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Speaker 15: because after all, as we know, the definition of insanity

1962
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Speaker 15: is doing the same thing over and over again. And

1963
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Speaker 15: that's as we know as Bengals fans, that's how the

1964
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Speaker 15: Bengals operate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's not unprecedented for the

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Speaker 2: Bengals to keep people in place and then see those

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Speaker 2: people change how they do things.

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Speaker 5: I mean it is.

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Speaker 2: It is possible. It's possible in any workplace. I don't

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Speaker 2: have a ton of faith that it will happen. But

1971
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Speaker 2: that becomes the central question of the off season, which is,

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Speaker 2: all right, everybody's gonna come back. How do they do

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Speaker 2: their jobs differently in a way that yields better results?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I just don't know.

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Speaker 15: And mo I asked Santa for a new front office

1977
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Speaker 15: and a new coach, and I guess he's gonna let

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Speaker 15: me down.

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Speaker 8: It sounds like.

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Speaker 15: But I have something else that could be a miracle

1981
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Speaker 15: that as Karen's a Buckeye fan, he might appreciate this.

1982
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Speaker 15: I laughed when I thought of this thought. The Wolverines,

1983
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Speaker 15: let's say they don't get any of their coaching and

1984
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Speaker 15: prospects that they want. They definitely would pay Zach Taylor

1985
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Speaker 15: more than the Bengals they're paying. What about Zach Taylor

1986
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Speaker 15: and Al Golden packing up ship and heading to ann

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Speaker 15: Arbor to take over that sinking ship.

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Speaker 5: Why would you want to take over a sinking ship?

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Speaker 15: Well, low expectations.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, can I take Joe Burrow with me?

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Speaker 15: Well, you know, Zach Taylor supposed to be a quarterback whisper,

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Speaker 15: so he might be able to Keith Bryce Underwood under

1993
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Speaker 15: contract there with the Wolverines and get them back on track. Hey,

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Speaker 15: I'm just trying anything I can to get rid of

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Speaker 15: these folks.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: Well, the last time I saw the last time I

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Speaker 2: saw Zach Taylor on a college coaching staff, he was

1999
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Speaker 2: leading the Bearcats to thirteen consecutive scoreless quarters as offensive

2000
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Speaker 2: coordinator in twenty sixteen. So I think the AD or

2001
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Speaker 2: whoever the hell is going to be hiring the coach

2002
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Speaker 2: would have to ask about that. It's an interesting thought.

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Speaker 2: I would I would not count on Zach Taylor's talking

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Speaker 2: the sidelines in ann Arbor, but I do appreciate the effort.

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Speaker 5: Ron. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 7: Mo.

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Speaker 15: Are you going to be gone for Christmas management next

2008
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Speaker 15: week or what should I expect?

2009
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Speaker 2: All right, I'll give you this schedule ready. I'm off

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Speaker 2: Thursday and Friday of this week. I will be with

2011
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Speaker 2: Tony on Monday. I'll be here at Oakley Greens on Tuesday.

2012
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Speaker 2: I'm off on the twenty fourth. We have the Sports

2013
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Speaker 2: Talk Year in Review show that airs on Christmas even

2014
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Speaker 2: Christmas morning. I'm off on the twenty sixth, but working

2015
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 2: for Lance at night. I will work on the twenty

2016
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Speaker 2: ninth and the thirtieth, and then I'm off to Memphis

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Speaker 2: for the Bowl game.

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Speaker 15: All right, sounds good, MO, appreciate it. I want to

2019
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Speaker 15: wish you a happy Holidays in case I don't talk

2020
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Speaker 15: to you.

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Speaker 5: Merry Christmas, okay, Ron you too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening and calling in In twenty twenty five, Ian,

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Speaker 2: you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Hey brother, Hey man. I called Tony and

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Speaker 14: Austin and you know I said this sentiment, but when

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Speaker 14: you're talking, it just strikes the cord where I just

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Speaker 14: want to reiterate, like we all were talking, like I've

2028
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Speaker 14: talked to you a couple of weeks ago. The whole

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Speaker 14: template is there from like before the draft and how

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Speaker 14: they just get and don't react.

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Speaker 8: And you could go through in numerative things.

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Speaker 14: From our perspective, we're not in the room, so we

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Speaker 14: don't know exactly what they could attack to change like

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Speaker 14: you're speaking of, and but there's a couple of things

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Speaker 14: that we can look at and it's like very obvious.

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Speaker 9: But what I think has to.

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Speaker 14: Happen is they need to be honest with themselves and

2038
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Speaker 14: throw the ego out the window and say like, look,

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Speaker 14: how we just you know, sat on our hands when

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Speaker 14: we were negotiating these kinds.

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Speaker 3: You can't do that.

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Speaker 14: It's like granual, it's glacial movement.

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Speaker 8: It's too slow.

2044
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Speaker 6: It's out of touch.

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Speaker 14: They need to look at this template from all the

2046
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 14: things that went wrong and you pay these these the

2047
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 14: money for these contracts, and you don't want to pay

2048
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 14: that much, but then you end up spending more money.

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01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 8: Right anyway, they were.

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Speaker 14: More preemptive and start looking at the key core issues

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Speaker 14: with is it like not having the correct people at

2052
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 14: looking at the draft process the addition of the couple

2053
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 14: so six now is that even enough? You know what

2054
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:26,879
Speaker 14: I'm saying, Are those the right people?

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Speaker 6: Two?

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Speaker 15: How do you hit on offensive guys?

2057
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 14: But you have such a huge problem with defensive pickups?

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01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 8: We need to.

2059
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Speaker 14: Get at minimum three key guys.

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Speaker 8: We talked about this last early in the spring.

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Speaker 14: They need to actually do that or you are gonna

2062
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 14: piss Joe off Man. He's did Mike Brown tell him

2063
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Speaker 14: to tank the season and that's why he's all a mess.

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Speaker 14: I wonder that's it and I want go on and on.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine the answer to that is no, Ian,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. A small example would be, all right, duke,

2067
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Speaker 2: with your personnel people in the draft this year if

2068
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:15,800
Speaker 2: and I just used this example a few minutes ago,

2069
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Speaker 2: but it's it's it's one that can apply to the

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Speaker 2: answer to this question. If that makes sense, We're gonna

2071
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Speaker 2: draft Chamar Stewart or Donovan Azraku. He was a kid

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Speaker 2: from Boston College. Now where he was on their draft board.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart insane traits, right, but didn't put a lot

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Speaker 2: on tape. By the way, Shamar Stewart may still end

2076
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Speaker 2: up being a really good player, but okay, they drafted

2077
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Speaker 2: him because of his traits and they were willing to

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Speaker 2: overlook what some of the things he didn't do on tape,

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Speaker 2: versus a player like Donovan Azraku who might not have

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Speaker 2: had all the measurables, but you watch the tape and

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Speaker 2: the dude got to the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: So there's a philosophy here.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna prioritize the measurables, or we're gonna

2084
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Speaker 2: draft based on you know, things that don't necessarily show

2085
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Speaker 2: up when you watch football. Now, you know what we're gonna,

2086
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 2: We're gonna, We're gonna change. We're gonna evolve. Now, we're

2087
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 2: gonna side with or we're gonna draft based on what

2088
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 2: we see on tape. I don't know that I'm putting

2089
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:17,799
Speaker 2: this in the most articulate way, but we're gonna prioritize production,

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Speaker 2: and if that means we're gonna take a guy who's

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01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 2: a half inch smaller, a tick slower, maybe doesn't put

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Speaker 2: up the same combined numbers at work. Okay, but when

2093
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 2: we watch football, when we watch tape, we pop the

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Speaker 2: tape one.

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Speaker 5: Of the guys making plays. Maybe maybe that's what they do.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But if you're asking like, how can you change if

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Speaker 2: you keep the same people, that is a small example,

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01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 2: but it's not an insignificant one. John, thank you for

2100
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 2: your patience. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 12: Hey Mo, thanks for taking my call. I do agree

2102
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 12: with Ron as far as comparing the Bengals to insanity.

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01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 12: They're smart people. They know what they're doing. They're not

2104
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:02,400
Speaker 12: going to change. They don't have to change. They're happy

2105
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 12: with the outcome, and that's fine. It's their their franchise.

2106
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 12: I want to change subjects a little bit. I think

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01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 12: a better comparison for Joe Burrow is the career of

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01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 12: Matthew Stafford. Stafford really struggled big time for years in Detroit,

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Speaker 12: and he goes to the Rams finally and he gets

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Speaker 12: his ring. He might get another ring this year. I

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Speaker 12: think after a few years more of this, Joe will

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01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:34,519
Speaker 12: feel the same way that Matthew Stafford felt. So can't

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Speaker 12: blame him. Who wants to be another Dan Marino.

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. If I was Joe Burrow, I

2115
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:45,720
Speaker 2: would be looking at Matthew Stafford. I think it's a

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01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:47,640
Speaker 2: it's a very good point. I would be looking at

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford and going, you know what, Matthew went to

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Speaker 2: a place where he's getting elite coaching. Coaching in this

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Speaker 2: league matters. Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is getting it. Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jones got it before you know, he got hurt like you.

2121
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence had always been working amid this really unstable environment.

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Speaker 2: Now he's got Liam Cohen good offensive mind, like it

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Speaker 2: feels like coaching is bringing out the best of him.

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01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:10,679
Speaker 2: I think Daniel Jones you can apply the same Baker

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Speaker 2: Mayfield to a large degree in Tampa. Your circumstances matter,

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Speaker 2: Your coaching matters. If I was if I was Joe Burrow,

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01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 2: in the back of my mind would be am I

2128
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 2: getting the best possible coaching? Or is there a situation

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Speaker 2: like the one Matthew Stafford is in Los Angeles?

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Speaker 5: Help?

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01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 2: Maybe it's replacing Matthew Stafford in Los Angeles if you

2132
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 2: want to really want to get crazy. But I think

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01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 2: it's all encompassing. Is this the best environment for me

2134
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 2: to win? And that includes coaching and includes the front office,

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01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:41,719
Speaker 2: It includes player acquisition, it includes player development, and includes

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Speaker 2: a lot of different things. I think for a guy

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Speaker 2: like Joe, everything's on the table. I appreciate the call man,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, Taren.

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Speaker 5: How are we on time? We're out of it.

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Speaker 3: You have to go.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: We want to thank the staff here at Oakley Greens

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Speaker 2: one of the things Drew wester Heidi for producing on side.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank our guy Taran for producing in Kenwood.

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Speaker 2: We're done shows over, gotta go have a great night.

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Speaker 2: This has been the butt light five o'clock happy hour

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Speaker 2: and the end of a sterling performance by me on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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