Speaker 1: Yeah, return to Dusk will be at the film Bore
Speaker 1: tomorrow night with Mammoth and Miles Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Please welcome return to dust.
Speaker 1: Hi boys, Hello, how are we today?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 4: We just played a show last night in Charlotte, rolling
Speaker 4: in this morning, bright and early.
Speaker 2: So can I ask you this? Can I ask you this?
Speaker 1: At some point you guys were like, sweet, Monday is
Speaker 1: an off day on the tour.
Speaker 2: This is great, this is great. We'll go in, we'll
Speaker 2: go do radio.
Speaker 3: I already know, man, and it'll be great.
Speaker 1: At what point were you guys like, oh, crap, we
Speaker 1: had an off day.
Speaker 2: We could have slept all day.
Speaker 1: I think whost last night last night?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a day to day kind of thing on tour,
Speaker 5: and then you only realized the ramifications of of the
Speaker 5: next day the day previous.
Speaker 2: So who who drove last night?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: I think it was a mixture of London and stuff,
Speaker 4: mostly stuff or tour men in.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, all right? Yeah? So now what would a
Speaker 2: normal off day from the tour be?
Speaker 4: Usually just a drive day and you get into the
Speaker 4: next city at like, I don't know, five, and then
Speaker 4: you have the rest of the evening to just kind
Speaker 4: of relax a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now are you guys, would you typically go run
Speaker 1: around a city and go sight seeing or just touring
Speaker 1: not allow for that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes if you have enough time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it really really depends on the on the off day,
Speaker 5: like how much time you have, how much distance between
Speaker 5: the last city and stuff. Yeah, but I like to
Speaker 5: even on like show days, I just want to like
Speaker 5: walk around the city and just like grab a coffee
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 2: Right, And I did listen.
Speaker 1: I know you guys have been through here, you know,
Speaker 1: at number of times and then through the area number
Speaker 1: of times. But I would still think, like just getting
Speaker 1: out and doing stuff would I guess, be fun as
Speaker 1: opposed to just I don't know, just sitting backstage and
Speaker 1: hang it out.
Speaker 2: That also sounds like it could be fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, we tried to.
Speaker 2: But I feel like you guys are going pretty hard
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this tour in particular is very like back to
Speaker 5: back to back to back. But some tours are a
Speaker 5: lot more lax than others on the amounts of like
Speaker 5: days off and stuff. Like we did a run with
Speaker 5: Breaking Benjamin in three days Grace and there were a
Speaker 5: lot of off days on it, and there's a lot
Speaker 5: of room. They'll just like explore the city or just
Speaker 5: like have a really lax off day something like that.
Speaker 2: So why is this one?
Speaker 1: So this one is obviously with Mammoth and with with
Speaker 1: Miles Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why is this one? Why is this one that
Speaker 2: much more jammed in than like when with Breaking Benjamin.
Speaker 3: So tours are just routed differently.
Speaker 5: I mean like they're just it's a different production, you know,
Speaker 5: playing different sized rooms.
Speaker 3: It's different bands.
Speaker 5: It's like some bands just like to work a lot
Speaker 5: harder or like to get some more stuff in, and
Speaker 5: we're totally cool with it. We're just we're along for
Speaker 5: the ride.
Speaker 1: So you don't get any input. You don't get to
Speaker 1: go like hey, wolf you know, it would be kind
Speaker 1: of no. I'll tell you what the Breaking Benjamin guys do.
Speaker 1: They like stretch it out a little bit and soak
Speaker 1: it all in and then when we're just cranking and
Speaker 1: cranking and it'll.
Speaker 2: Go Like I was looking at the schedule, you guys
Speaker 2: go hard for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like we just did. We just went
Speaker 3: hard for a while.
Speaker 5: We just did like one thousand miles fifteen miles across
Speaker 5: the country in like three days or something like that.
Speaker 4: It was, Oh, we've been touring so much this year,
Speaker 4: which super grateful for. We've probably played like god, probably
Speaker 4: like one hundred and fifty shows probably more this year. Right,
Speaker 4: So yeah, we've definitely been going at it.
Speaker 1: But you know what, like for the and we'll we'll
Speaker 1: we'll get back to this tour in a second. But
Speaker 1: like if you go back and go, you've done that
Speaker 1: many shows this year.
Speaker 2: Which is great. I hear you.
Speaker 1: When did when did touring earn it? Like in real
Speaker 1: earnest start? How far back do we go?
Speaker 4: Last summer, our very first tour was with Chevelle, Right, awesome, guys,
Speaker 4: that was a really great tour. And yeah, we we
Speaker 4: were just all of us were just kind of working
Speaker 4: day jobs and until we could figure out how to
Speaker 4: make touring the you know, the full thing, and that
Speaker 4: tour kind of kicked it off.
Speaker 3: It was honestly, we had two we had two lined up.
Speaker 4: It was one with Chevelle and one with seven Dust,
Speaker 4: And I feel like that really kicked down the door
Speaker 4: and we just started basically touring NonStop for probably the
Speaker 4: next year and a half.
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, because there was last summer.
Speaker 1: So but and I mean this in a nice way.
Speaker 1: We've only been on the road like touring. Like obviously
Speaker 1: you guys have played shows and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: actually going out on the road and touring and really
Speaker 1: getting to expose your music has only been a year
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, And it's not like it's not
Speaker 1: like you've played with any slouches. It's I mean they've
Speaker 1: all been big bands and big tours everything from whether
Speaker 1: it's Billy Corgan to like you said, Chevelle or going
Speaker 1: out with with seven Dust and breaking Benjamin. Like in
Speaker 1: a year and a half, that ain't bad at all,
Speaker 1: Like that's really really like no, no, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I don't feel like that's that's normal,
Speaker 1: Like when you talk to other bands that have that,
Speaker 1: there's no way that's a normal trajectory.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we definitely had a kind of abnormal situation.
Speaker 5: I feel like we, uh, you know, we started just
Speaker 5: Graham and I whenever we moved out to Los Angeles
Speaker 5: like six years ago, and we just spent.
Speaker 1: Don't blow that story yet, because I'm obsessed with that story.
Speaker 2: Actually I'm more.
Speaker 1: Obsessed with Seb's story, okay than your story. But we'll
Speaker 1: get that we'll get there.
Speaker 5: That's typical. That's typical. The people love seb Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Do we want to get there?
Speaker 3: Editor?
Speaker 2: No, not yet yet? No, no, but just just how
Speaker 2: did it get to? How?
Speaker 1: How does Chevelle be the first band that you end
Speaker 1: up going And like you said, it was either going
Speaker 1: to be Chevelle or seven Dust, which is great, So.
Speaker 5: You see, I was just getting there, Like I guess,
Speaker 5: we spent a lot of our time just writing our
Speaker 5: songs and just like building up the thing that is
Speaker 5: the band before we took our like our first dive
Speaker 5: into touring or like really putting ourselves out there. And
Speaker 5: I think it just set ourselves up really well to
Speaker 5: like immediately be discovered by some bigger bands and and
Speaker 5: just people that really believe in our music and want to.
Speaker 3: Like help support what we do.
Speaker 5: So Clint Lowry from seven Dust is actually the first
Speaker 5: person to reach out to us candidly from us just
Speaker 5: releasing a song and was like, hey, I want to
Speaker 5: bring you guys out on the next tour that we're having.
Speaker 2: And would you say he reaches out? How does he
Speaker 2: reach out on Instagram? Seriously?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's how easy this job is.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like people think that, like there's people at
Speaker 5: the top just like b bro blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: You know, get this band with this band, this band
Speaker 3: with this band.
Speaker 5: But it's like you gotta they just got to be
Speaker 5: fans of each other at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: It's like sometimes it is just that easy.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so did Wolf He just reach out to you
Speaker 1: on Instagram and be like, hey, let's go.
Speaker 5: So it's it's a little bit. I guess our situation
Speaker 5: is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: We do have a team. We do have a manager
Speaker 3: and a label and.
Speaker 5: Stuff like that, so we do get a little bit
Speaker 5: of help in that sense just connecting with the other teams. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we have agents as well, so it's a little bit
Speaker 5: more professional now. But back when we were unsigned and
Speaker 5: we didn't have a manager or anything like that, it
Speaker 5: was like, how else are they going to get in
Speaker 5: contact with us besides just hit us up us on
Speaker 5: Instagram and.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 1: What is the what is the the So so like
Speaker 1: this I was gonna say, does word of mouth also help? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm sure like word comes out where they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know number one these guys are good, which is
Speaker 1: the starting point for all of it. Is if the
Speaker 1: music isn't good and the shows aren't good, you don't
Speaker 1: end up going anywhere. So I mean that that is
Speaker 1: the credit right up front is And Clint doesn't dm
Speaker 1: you if he hears the song goes this.
Speaker 2: Thing sounds like garbage.
Speaker 1: So none of that happens anyway if there's not if
Speaker 1: there's not talent there, whether it's in the music or
Speaker 1: in the stage show. But then I would also assume
Speaker 1: that you guys aren't Maybe I'm wrong. You'll tell me
Speaker 1: big pains in the asses on the road, or hard
Speaker 1: to deal with, or there's always some fight going on backstage.
Speaker 3: No, we're always tussling.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're always getting into it with each other and
Speaker 5: with the band backstage.
Speaker 1: Well, when you're throwing around tussling, it sounds like But
Speaker 1: does does word of mouth help on stuff like that?
Speaker 3: For sure? Absolutely? Definitely your reputations everything, Yeah, I think this.
Speaker 4: I mean, the music world is very small and rock
Speaker 4: is even smaller, right, so you know, I feel like
Speaker 4: word of mouth is almost the most important thing, you know.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's just true in general for all
Speaker 4: walks of life. You know, just just just can I cuss?
Speaker 3: No, be an a hole?
Speaker 2: You know, that's totally fine, that's totally fine.
Speaker 1: If it starts with an EF for a c got it,
Speaker 1: generally stay away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, A hole is fine,
Speaker 1: not just saying the a whole part, not the actual word.
Speaker 2: You're fine, You're fine, No, you're good, You're.
Speaker 3: Good anyway, Yeah, just don't be an a hole? And uh,
Speaker 3: and that will take you a long way.
Speaker 2: The what was the what was the point of getting signed?
Speaker 1: Like what not? Not what's the point of it? But
Speaker 1: at what point did that happen?
Speaker 5: Right before we started touring? It was just kind of
Speaker 5: a lot of things just lined up at the same time.
Speaker 5: We played our first big festival and and we got
Speaker 5: to meet with Danny Wimmer, which was the owner of
Speaker 5: all the festivals, and he really dug our music.
Speaker 3: He wanted to manage us, and I think just.
Speaker 5: A lot of people got interested at the same time
Speaker 5: in the band and was like really really really excited
Speaker 5: about it. And that's when Jason Flumm from Lava Records
Speaker 5: hurt us and was like, I want to sign these guys.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Now I only know it's funny.
Speaker 1: I only know Whimmer from the festival side of things,
Speaker 1: but isn't he He's all like, welcome to Rockville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great festival. Yeah so yeah, and you doesn't he also
Speaker 1: do Bourbon and Beyond? Yes, yeah, do that one? The
Speaker 1: I want to go to that one is the festival
Speaker 1: because I know that during the summer, you guys hit
Speaker 1: a bunch of those.
Speaker 2: Is the festival seem fun?
Speaker 3: Yeaheah awesome?
Speaker 4: Especially I feel like, especially like the Wimmer festivals just
Speaker 4: because he he really puts a large emphasis on like
Speaker 4: the just like artists diminities and like making everyone like
Speaker 4: super comfortable and.
Speaker 3: Just and the way everything's run, it's just so smooth.
Speaker 4: All the crew it's just amazing to work with and
Speaker 4: it's just a super smooth experience, not only for like
Speaker 4: the fan. I'm like totally you know, glazing the festival
Speaker 4: right now, but it's it is really great festivals.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he runs it for the fans for sure.
Speaker 5: We've played a lot of other festivals and he really
Speaker 5: I feel like he does it the best.
Speaker 1: The is there is there a benefit when you've only
Speaker 1: been doing this out on the road for a year
Speaker 1: and a half. Is there a benefit to doing that,
Speaker 1: or would you rather grind away night after night after night,
Speaker 1: which you're gonna do anyway, but would you rather I
Speaker 1: don't know which show would be more important, but is
Speaker 1: one is?
Speaker 2: Does one mean more to you?
Speaker 8: Guys?
Speaker 3: It's hard to more important, so you go.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say one's more important, but I think that
Speaker 6: once they both have their different uh.
Speaker 2: Like characters.
Speaker 6: I think like when you open up for a band,
Speaker 6: that's like all everyone's there to see the opening band
Speaker 6: or the band opening for Yeah, right, the headliner, the headline,
Speaker 6: No one cares about you. But at a festival, it's
Speaker 6: like everyone there is kind of a rock fan and
Speaker 6: there's more energy to there to have a good time
Speaker 6: there to have a good time. So they have their
Speaker 6: different traits.
Speaker 1: Because I know, so next year, you guys are doing
Speaker 1: a bunch of well next year you're going out of
Speaker 1: the country for the first time. They are going to
Speaker 1: play a bunch of festivals. But is there also a
Speaker 1: tour wrapped around in Europe.
Speaker 3: Working on it. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean we're not going to be there for a
Speaker 5: whole month and just play four festivals, so we'll stay
Speaker 5: busy the entire time, just we'll announce some more stuff.
Speaker 3: Actually nine festivals.
Speaker 5: Sorry, actually we only have We only have announced like
Speaker 5: six of them right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Graham run through all of them right now.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So we're playing, we're playing download, We're playing rock and ring,
Speaker 4: rock and park grass, pop and tusca.
Speaker 3: Currently there's no rock. There's oh yeah, no rock. Oh dang.
Speaker 1: And it looks like Maddie would like you to stop
Speaker 1: at those six.
Speaker 3: I like that, but I did.
Speaker 1: I did read somewhere you were saying that you guys
Speaker 1: hadn't been overseas before, and I didn't know if that
Speaker 1: meant as a band you hadn't been overseas or just
Speaker 1: individually you hadn't been overseas.
Speaker 3: Both well some of us.
Speaker 2: But oh, London, you're the traveler of travel, have you really?
Speaker 3: I love it? Yeah, he gets around.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of cool though, for it to be
Speaker 1: the first time to be not you London, this all
Speaker 1: half for you, but for the first time to go
Speaker 1: and the first time you go is as a band
Speaker 1: a tour.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're pretty excited about it.
Speaker 5: I hope the same thing doesn't happen though in the
Speaker 5: States where we get to a place and we just
Speaker 5: have to stay there in the venue.
Speaker 3: Though I hope we can like walk around like whoa,
Speaker 3: we're in Europe.
Speaker 5: We're in the exact same looking green room that we'd
Speaker 5: be at in the fillmore in Charlotte.
Speaker 1: I just want, I want you to get to a
Speaker 1: city and let it just go. I've already been here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been here. Yeah, No, it's pretty cool. Now will
Speaker 1: you there's a flag just my smiling face signature in
Speaker 1: the war.
Speaker 2: Now, who will will you? Will you?
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna ask this for a reason, like obviously
Speaker 1: you guys drove from Charlotte last night in the in
Speaker 1: the van, and I was asking before we went on
Speaker 1: who drove last night?
Speaker 2: Why does Seb never drive a van?
Speaker 6: Don't I don't have a license at all?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: Wait I did.
Speaker 6: I did just pass the writing test before we went
Speaker 6: on tour, but I don't think that really permit I
Speaker 6: don't have a license.
Speaker 2: How much do you hate that he doesn't drive?
Speaker 1: Oh, these are your practice hours like most people were
Speaker 1: doing with mom and dad.
Speaker 2: But you can do practice hours with them.
Speaker 5: We shouldn't start with the sixth ton'.
Speaker 4: Starting on like level three thousand more thousands and thousands
Speaker 4: of equipment.
Speaker 1: So that's what that I was trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: Did you get busted for something? Was there an accident
Speaker 1: for something? Oh, you should make up a good yeah,
Speaker 1: but you just never got a driver's license.
Speaker 2: How old are you? Okay?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, there's no way there's that, because
Speaker 1: I know we started young. But I was like, in
Speaker 1: my head, I'm doing the math, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: definitely are old enough to have gotten a license by now,
Speaker 1: why did you ever get one?
Speaker 2: How have you existed with that one?
Speaker 6: I just walked, Well, the guys lived nearby, so I
Speaker 6: just walked there. And then my job was nearby after
Speaker 6: high school. So I just walked there and I knew.
Speaker 1: Four blocks of West Covina and that's all I needed
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Know, That's what I can tell you. Where the startuks,
Speaker 2: We're like, we don't live in New York, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like you.
Speaker 5: In a more suburban the area of La car centric city.
Speaker 5: Have you been on the public transportation in La is.
Speaker 3: It is under l for sure?
Speaker 2: Not said doesn't need it now.
Speaker 1: I walked to Starbucks, I go to Maddie and Graham's
Speaker 1: public trans right here, you know what. Never been to Sofie,
Speaker 1: never been to Staples, never been never been to the
Speaker 1: Sunset Strip.
Speaker 2: Don't need it everything? I need three blocks.
Speaker 7: My room, the other house.
Speaker 1: All right, let me do this like I said, so
Speaker 1: the uh the EP has been out. Speak like the Dead,
Speaker 1: new single, New Religion is out tomorrow night at the
Speaker 1: Fillmore Silver Spring with Mammoth and Miles Kennedy, Quick break
Speaker 1: more with return to Dust next Elliott.
Speaker 2: Till Yes the morning, Return to Dust is with us.
Speaker 1: They will be at the Fillmore Silver Spring tomorrow night
Speaker 1: with Mammoth and Miles entity.
Speaker 2: EP speak like the Dead that is out and available.
Speaker 2: Now all right, what are we going to play first?
Speaker 2: What are we playing? First?
Speaker 3: We're going to play a song off of the Speak
Speaker 3: like the Dead EP.
Speaker 2: Called Board Whenever you are ready, sir?
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Speaker 7: More moreland more.
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Speaker 7: Moreland more. This is a life.
Speaker 9: Sect chance at the ending that you want to get
Speaker 9: anything you need.
Speaker 7: This is the line.
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Speaker 8: No better.
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Speaker 7: Ma Marland bosn't my life see your chance at the.
Speaker 9: Adding that you want to get anything you need?
Speaker 8: Listen my life.
Speaker 7: Take your chance at.
Speaker 9: The adding that you want to get anything you needed?
Speaker 3: My money, go get borcause.
Speaker 7: Some moana hit it, I moon acquit it. Not's in
Speaker 7: my money. Go get bocause some moona hit it. I
Speaker 7: moon acquit it. Not in money.
Speaker 2: Quit God, that was awesome, dude, that was great. Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into a couple of things. Let's
Speaker 1: get into a couple of things. So before we become
Speaker 1: returned to dusk. So, Maddie and Graham are growing up
Speaker 1: in a small town outside of Dallas, and.
Speaker 2: You two have known each other since middle school middle school?
Speaker 2: But like, were you both did you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Were you friendly in middle school?
Speaker 4: We were acquainted in middle I feel like we didn't
Speaker 4: really become like friends friends until like like freshman year
Speaker 4: of high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah is that right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But knew but knew of each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were like we had mutuals. We were kind
Speaker 4: of in the same friend group, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And then what happened in high school? Like at what point,
Speaker 1: like what what was the click where YouTube became real friendly?
Speaker 3: I mean I looked into each other's eyes and we
Speaker 3: I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Really is a true love story, isn't it.
Speaker 5: I think we started like playing a lot of games
Speaker 5: together or something. Definitely it was probably video games.
Speaker 8: Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, there's no way it was music, right, No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I realized that kind of sounds like a
Speaker 1: dick thing to say.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean it that way.
Speaker 1: No, No, But it wasn't like like maybe it was
Speaker 1: like did both of you have your own thing going?
Speaker 1: And then it was like, let's be in a band again.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it was a mix of things
Speaker 4: like short video games. But we also have this friend Ryan.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure if that's where you were going, but
Speaker 4: we have this friend Ryan who uh he was like
Speaker 4: the type of guy who would just kind of like
Speaker 4: he'd bring his guitar to school, his I think his ukulele.
Speaker 3: He was just he was like a piano virtuous.
Speaker 4: He was just like a music guy and he would
Speaker 4: do that and he was so good and he was
Speaker 4: just so unapologetic about it.
Speaker 3: And that was very contagious and we we liked that.
Speaker 3: And so I think.
Speaker 1: Contagious to you were like everybody at the school, well,
Speaker 1: annoying probably to everyone else. Yeah, I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like you either loved it or hated it, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and then clearly you two loved it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, and we just became really good friends
Speaker 4: with Ryan, and you know we just kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: fell in love with with music after kind of just
Speaker 4: you know, becoming friends with him and and really growing
Speaker 4: our relationship with with music.
Speaker 5: It's also like grew into this, you know, the like
Speaker 5: coffee shop thing that we did every Thursday.
Speaker 2: Uh and in high school, yes, where you would go
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: So the way that the story reads, though, can I
Speaker 1: ask this, like, if Ryan was the driving force behind
Speaker 1: all this, where's Ryan?
Speaker 3: He works for a producer? Shut up?
Speaker 2: Does he really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so is he the guy that you went to
Speaker 1: visit in La So Ryan actually is very important to
Speaker 1: the story. Okay A gotcha, all right, But before we
Speaker 1: get there, So in high school, you guys get together
Speaker 1: and you're playing this this coffee shop that had like
Speaker 1: open mics on on Thursday. What what kind of music
Speaker 1: were you guys doing. I mean, if if if somebody
Speaker 1: were to say, like return to Dust like it it's.
Speaker 2: It is a hard rock band.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the music is hard, and that's great. I love it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that I imagine myself going in
Speaker 1: for like a chi t latte and sitting down. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know what the neighborhood is, like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was it? What was it on Thursday nights? Very
Speaker 1: much like we just did so just kind of broken
Speaker 1: down acoustic.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And I think that like the harder element,
Speaker 4: the heavier element started to kind of happen like later,
Speaker 4: we just started to listen to more heavy music, and
Speaker 4: you know, we're like, let's add drums and let's add
Speaker 4: you know, heavy guitars. And I was like, man, we
Speaker 4: need a bass player. I guess I'll do that, right,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: I was like a big like classic rock fan, like
Speaker 5: I loved like Stevie ay Vaughn and like Eric Clapton,
Speaker 5: Fleetwood Mac stuff like that. So that's kind of the
Speaker 5: stuff that I would play just on acoustic in my bedroom,
Speaker 5: just stuff that I could play solo with just me
Speaker 5: and just me.
Speaker 2: By yourself and do that. So then so this goes on.
Speaker 1: So you do that all the way through through high
Speaker 1: school before we make the trip out to see Ryan again.
Speaker 2: Where were you guys in college?
Speaker 3: I was in Colorado? Yeah, I was in Texas. I
Speaker 3: was in San Marcos in like near.
Speaker 2: Austin, like San Ange State or something like that.
Speaker 3: Uh no, Texas State.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, very good, and you were in Colorado?
Speaker 1: It was Now were you two both in college when
Speaker 1: you went to see Ryan or were you two still
Speaker 1: back in Texas at that point?
Speaker 3: No, we were in college.
Speaker 2: So you guys have split up.
Speaker 1: Graham goes at that point, like when you go off
Speaker 1: to college, and you're, well, you did too, but I
Speaker 1: mean you moved away.
Speaker 2: Was there any thought that we'll get back together and
Speaker 2: be a band? No, form a band?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, that was not an option in our mind.
Speaker 3: We didn't know it was an option, right, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Sure? Did you stay in touch?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so Ryan invites you out to Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: both of you were like, all right, screw it, we'll
Speaker 1: go to LA.
Speaker 8: And then.
Speaker 5: So Ryan works underneath our producer Jim, and so we
Speaker 5: we went and we visited them, and we we just
Speaker 5: there are a couple of acoustic guitars sitting around, and
Speaker 5: so we picked up, you know, one of them, and
Speaker 5: just started playing a song much like we would at
Speaker 5: the open mic in mid Lothian and h and Jim
Speaker 5: really liked it, and he was like, you guys should
Speaker 5: just drop out of college and like be a band.
Speaker 5: Like I don't know why you guys are doing that,
Speaker 5: Like you should you should move here, right, move here
Speaker 5: and pursue music. And I think we just both got
Speaker 5: super inspired and we like, on the drive home, just
Speaker 5: listen to a bunch of like like rock stuff.
Speaker 3: We were like, what kind of band do we want
Speaker 3: to be? You know?
Speaker 5: Is like and we listened to a bunch of like
Speaker 5: nineties stuff on the way home, like the drive back
Speaker 5: to Texas in Colorado, and we just got super inspired
Speaker 5: and we're like, let's just do it, Like let's just
Speaker 5: start writing songs like this. So it was like the
Speaker 5: main catalysts of it was like Queens of the Stone
Speaker 5: Age Alice and Chainstone double Pilots, just like these kind
Speaker 5: of like heavier bands that we both mutually loved and
Speaker 5: felt like we could, you know, pull out of inspiration
Speaker 5: from to make something cool. And we didn't have a
Speaker 5: band name at the time anything like that, so we
Speaker 5: were just like, let's just write songs like that.
Speaker 1: So how how quickly after you got back did both
Speaker 1: of you guys drop out of college and move to
Speaker 1: LA three months?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was pretty like we were pretty I'd said, like
Speaker 4: we kind of we sat on it, you know, for
Speaker 4: the remainder of our of our semester in college, but
Speaker 4: once the summer hit, we were we were pretty dead
Speaker 4: set on it.
Speaker 1: Did anybody's parents not really enjoy the phone call? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what what were you studying in Colorado?
Speaker 3: Cybersecurity?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: You got to study something that makes total sense? What'd
Speaker 2: your parents say?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 3: My dad was not for it. He like begrudgingly was like,
Speaker 3: you know, okay, like you know, maybe maybe just go
Speaker 3: and figure it out and feel it out.
Speaker 4: But it felt like every phone call was kind of
Speaker 4: him persuading me to come back.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know more and more, and I assume he's
Speaker 1: come around that he's fine now more or less.
Speaker 2: We're getting there, Mattie. How were your parents?
Speaker 3: My parents were fine with it.
Speaker 5: They're a little bit on the fence, are They were like, okay,
Speaker 5: you should just go feel it out, you know, for
Speaker 5: a year or so and then see see how it goes.
Speaker 5: But yeah, they It honestly took a long time and
Speaker 5: before they were like really.
Speaker 3: About it, you know.
Speaker 5: So they're on board now, yes, right, we're you know,
Speaker 5: we're like staying at their houses on tour and stuff like.
Speaker 5: There's they'd support.
Speaker 2: He quick question, why Graham's not listening when you go
Speaker 2: buy his dad's house? Do we stay at his dad's house? No, No,
Speaker 2: we'll get there, Graham. We'll get there, all right. So
Speaker 2: here's so.
Speaker 1: So now we moved to La right, and we're living
Speaker 1: in the we're living out in West Covina and you guys,
Speaker 1: you rent a house and you're what were you doing
Speaker 1: for work, by the way.
Speaker 3: So waiting tables?
Speaker 5: Yeah, waiting tables? Uh, it was it was kind of
Speaker 5: COVID time a little bit. So we were working grocery
Speaker 5: store jobs for a bit and then after that kind
Speaker 5: of subsided. Then we were waiting tables, and then after
Speaker 5: that we became line cooks. We always worked at the
Speaker 5: same place because it made our schedules like line up perfectly.
Speaker 2: Pretty smart.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we lived at the same place and also worked
Speaker 5: at the same place, And when Graham's car wouldn't work,
Speaker 5: then we would drive in the same.
Speaker 3: Car and literally wait for each other. Yeah. I found
Speaker 3: out quickly that being in a band men being married.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, so you end up you end up renting
Speaker 1: this house in West Covina, out in a suburb of
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and you guys are just playing literally as
Speaker 1: a garage I don't want to say as a garage.
Speaker 2: Band, but you're rehearsing and just playing in a garage.
Speaker 1: Seven his mom happened to be walking a little fifteen
Speaker 1: year old Seb and his mom happened to be walking
Speaker 1: down the street.
Speaker 2: And you guys can hear them playing in the garage.
Speaker 2: When did you start playing guitar?
Speaker 6: Ten years ago? Now, so when I was ten, So.
Speaker 2: You're ten years old? Were you always good?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, I was.
Speaker 6: I actually went before I met the guys and went
Speaker 6: on the walk. I hadn't been playing at all.
Speaker 2: I just gave up.
Speaker 1: Oh but you had played before, Yeah, okay, your mom
Speaker 1: is the biggest liar in the world.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, I was like playing on and off. But
Speaker 6: at that point I was like, there's no plant. And
Speaker 6: then I went on a walk and met these guys.
Speaker 7: And I was like, there's a point.
Speaker 1: So you're walking down the street, they're playing in the garage,
Speaker 1: and you and your mom hear them playing.
Speaker 2: But your mom is the one that went and knocked
Speaker 2: on the garage door.
Speaker 3: She did everything. She convinced me.
Speaker 2: She was like, oh, we should go to their house.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, and she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's let's go do it.
Speaker 6: And we've walked and waited till they were done with
Speaker 6: their set, and then my mom, yeah, knocked on the garage.
Speaker 3: They thought it was a noise complaint.
Speaker 6: You can hear them like, oh man, how mortified were you?
Speaker 6: I was so I don't even think I said like
Speaker 6: a proper word that day. Said yeah, I don't even
Speaker 6: know if I said anything. My mom said she was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he play his guitar and he loves Metallica and heavy
Speaker 6: metal music.
Speaker 3: You guys should play together.
Speaker 6: And then I got their number and then and then
Speaker 6: a week went by before you heard from them.
Speaker 3: The So we're trying to play hard to get Yeah,
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1: No, no, but like when you open the garage door,
Speaker 1: like forget that there's a kid standing there, you don't
Speaker 1: know anything about him, and mom and hers like what
Speaker 1: the hell do you end up thinking at that point?
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely a little skeptical at first, but we were like,
Speaker 5: we don't have a lead guitarist and we really need one,
Speaker 5: so you know, let's let's try out.
Speaker 3: Let's see how he is.
Speaker 1: If he's good, and so Seth shows up or Seb
Speaker 1: rather excuse me, shows up a week later and start playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's melting faces over here immediately.
Speaker 2: God damn, Like that never happens.
Speaker 1: Like that is the craziest part of the story, that
Speaker 1: his mom goes and knocks, like, come on, Seb, let's
Speaker 1: go knock and see what happens. I would I would
Speaker 1: have shrunk into the ground, like Jesus, Mom, That's how
Speaker 1: I felt.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether they're practicing. You don't want to
Speaker 2: bother them. Ah, what'd you guys start playing at first?
Speaker 1: Like finally a week later, well, who reached out after
Speaker 1: a week, you guys reached out.
Speaker 2: It was right, okay, they gave up on me.
Speaker 3: I was like, they're not good.
Speaker 7: No, I'm okay, why would they?
Speaker 2: Right, there was no one else. I mean really it
Speaker 2: was you, and it was you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: We actually had Craigslist ads and like I believe that
Speaker 5: literally defined a guitarist and like a little posters like
Speaker 5: guitarists won it all around Guitar Center and stuff.
Speaker 2: We had some weird did you really? Oh yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: that's saying something. When the one who got it his mom.
Speaker 4: Knocked on the door. Well yeah, And I think it
Speaker 4: was really cool. Is like this is just a fun fact.
Speaker 4: And I think this honestly was like very like validating
Speaker 4: and kind of made us think twice about like said,
Speaker 4: being so young. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong. David
Speaker 4: Navarro Jaine's addiction was sixteen when they recorded Nothing Shocking.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you know, I.
Speaker 3: Mean anything can happen. Anything can happen, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: And then where does that? Where does where does where?
Speaker 1: Where do you fit into all of this because you've,
Speaker 1: like we've learned, you've already been touring, you've already been around,
Speaker 1: So where you end up fitting into everything.
Speaker 3: I wish I was there for that, and I wish
Speaker 3: I was part of that cute moment.
Speaker 10: But I came in about two years ago now and
Speaker 10: I was working with another band that Jim, our producer,
Speaker 10: was working with, and went in a tracker record with
Speaker 10: them at the same time as their EP. The first
Speaker 10: EP came out, The Black roadp Right, So Jim gave
Speaker 10: that to me and I became hooked on it, and
Speaker 10: I forgot how many months later it was, but they
Speaker 10: needed a drummer and Jim hit me up and I'm here.
Speaker 1: The By the way, Jim is a Kaufman, I believe
Speaker 1: right says the nicest thing about you guys, like in
Speaker 1: anything that you read where he'll talk about the band
Speaker 1: or start talking about stuff. It's just how how natural
Speaker 1: it comes, but how hard working you guys are, how
Speaker 1: much how much it matters to you, and but at
Speaker 1: the same time, how it's not. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to say that it's it's come easy. It hasn't come
Speaker 1: easy by any stretch of the imagination. But just from
Speaker 1: from a songwriting standpoint, again, we started by saying we've
Speaker 1: only been out on the road for a year and
Speaker 1: a half. I feel like that that that is really
Speaker 1: really quick to start going like that. But he'll just
Speaker 1: go on and on about how good you guys are
Speaker 1: and how much how eager you guys are to to
Speaker 1: work and to learn.
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's pretty nice. That's that's pretty nice.
Speaker 3: Ways.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean being in the studio with him, and
Speaker 4: there's there's no one that works harder than him. You know,
Speaker 4: he's he's up at we were just joking just a
Speaker 4: second ago. He's up at like five am working on mixes,
Speaker 4: you know, just getting it done.
Speaker 1: So yeah, now what was the So like, there's the
Speaker 1: the EP, Speak like the Dead and then we just
Speaker 1: put the the single out relatively recently.
Speaker 2: What was the what's the was?
Speaker 1: Was that the reason to do the EP is that
Speaker 1: if there would be more stuff, you could just keep
Speaker 1: kind of adding as you went.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I mean we just kind of want to
Speaker 4: keep this thing moving forward, you know. And yeah, I
Speaker 4: would say that that that's kind of that was kind
Speaker 4: of part of it. We just want to keep you know,
Speaker 4: keep keep our fans fed, and keep you know, releasing
Speaker 4: more stuff and keep the keep the band moving forward.
Speaker 3: And we figured that that was the best move.
Speaker 2: And then I saw something online. There was a video.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the company is, but they'll do
Speaker 1: like like like video tours of bands that are out
Speaker 1: on the road and they're Vans Digital Tour of us. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: that your van's pretty nice. Thank you, yes for for
Speaker 1: for a van that's just out pulling around on the road.
Speaker 1: That vand's pretty nice. We built the inside ourselves, the doubt.
Speaker 1: There's wood paneling all throughout the throughout the top. But
Speaker 1: you guys really built it yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.
Speaker 5: Actually, Stefan actually yeah, he helps a lot. He's actually
Speaker 5: got some real blue collar like construction experience.
Speaker 1: It's funny because in the video, Mattter, you talk about
Speaker 1: how you put that second battery in.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, I was sitting there, I was driving
Speaker 3: nails like.
Speaker 1: But it looks like it's it's a ton of video
Speaker 1: games with the TV that's mounted on the wall.
Speaker 2: The van is amazing.
Speaker 7: It really is.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, like when you think of like van living and
Speaker 1: we've seen some bands come through and vans are like,
Speaker 1: oh god, that seems rough.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's the greatest thing in the world.
Speaker 2: But still that's pretty nice for van living.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we wanted to find a mix between because we
Speaker 5: didn't just want bunks because that's very much like it
Speaker 5: takes up all the room. We wanted like a little
Speaker 5: communal space that we could just like hang out. And
Speaker 5: I mean, you're in it for more times than you're
Speaker 5: not in you're in it for longer than you're not
Speaker 5: in it. On tour, it's like it becomes your home,
Speaker 5: but you're on.
Speaker 2: Stage for an hour, So we got twenty three more
Speaker 2: to kill.
Speaker 5: On a time in that van and driving it's like
Speaker 5: we wanted to make it comfortable and homie because it
Speaker 5: was like we did the first tour and there was nothing.
Speaker 5: It was just like a shell of a sprinter van
Speaker 5: and it was We're just driving every venue like this
Speaker 5: is so depressing, Like we got to do something about this.
Speaker 5: This is not how it should be.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, great, did you break your foot on tour?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You did?
Speaker 3: Where'd you break I was on the Billy tour?
Speaker 2: Oh was it really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where did you? How did you break it?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 4: I was climbing the scaffolding during the song and I
Speaker 4: jumped off and I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: I wish that was how it happened. You did do that.
Speaker 3: I did do that perfectly and landed perfectly. Everything was good.
Speaker 3: Maybe honestly, maybe I damaged it and I just didn't
Speaker 3: know it.
Speaker 2: Right there, you go, I loosed the lid right right then?
Speaker 2: How did it really break?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Dude, it was.
Speaker 4: It's the coolest story ever. So I was like hopping
Speaker 4: over the trailer hitch and uh the ground was like uneven,
Speaker 4: you know, and uh rolled my ankle forward.
Speaker 1: But you know what, if it weren't for hopping off
Speaker 1: that scaffolding during the show, that's where it all.
Speaker 2: Goddamn right, all right, what give me another song? What
Speaker 2: are we gonna? What are we playing?
Speaker 5: We got Downfall off of our EP as well. It's
Speaker 5: a bit of a more melancholic tune, but it works well.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a question about the song real quickly?
Speaker 2: What's that the video?
Speaker 1: There's a lot of underwater in the in the video
Speaker 1: for the song? Are we really underwater filming the video?
Speaker 4: I can hold my breath for two minutes, No, you can't,
Speaker 4: can probably longer if I try.
Speaker 3: No one's counting or anything.
Speaker 5: Then it was it was a very It was a
Speaker 5: uh like public shooting space or not public but a
Speaker 5: private shooting space, uh for videos stuff like that. And
Speaker 5: the water was so chlorine dense it was it. It
Speaker 5: dyed our clothes and uh, it just hurt to open
Speaker 5: your eyes.
Speaker 2: There floating around in that water.
Speaker 5: It took me like a week from my hair to
Speaker 5: get back to normal. It was like all crunchy and stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, whenever you guys are whenever you guys are ready, buddy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, show me it.
Speaker 7: Shoes me. I don't want.
Speaker 9: Any folks around stubby and the maybe game.
Speaker 8: No, it's not just when I speak this with.
Speaker 7: Can you fix my.
Speaker 8: When I speak like the day.
Speaker 7: If that comes down? Will you dad, don't be that time?
Speaker 7: For if you see.
Speaker 4: Will you be my friend?
Speaker 7: Don't be that time?
Speaker 3: Tell me shoes many.
Speaker 8: I would started to.
Speaker 7: Get from shape again.
Speaker 9: Back then the sun would shine, not fa loyally shape.
Speaker 8: No, it's not just when I speak fits with.
Speaker 7: Can you face my hand?
Speaker 8: When I speak like the day.
Speaker 7: In the all comes down?
Speaker 8: Will you dame me.
Speaker 3: To be.
Speaker 7: Inducd?
Speaker 1: Will you be.
Speaker 5: To be.
Speaker 7: Limping? I count down? Will you d.
Speaker 8: To be.
Speaker 7: Lympucd? Well you benad.
Speaker 6: To be.
Speaker 1: Return to dust? The EP speak like the Dead is
Speaker 1: out and available now. New Religion is a new single,
Speaker 1: You will See Them Tomorrow night with Mammoth and Miles
Speaker 1: Kennedy at the Fillmore and Silver Spring. Dude, I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you guys got up on a day off. Really,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys coming in appreciated.