WEBVTT - 11-24-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.800 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.479 Back at it? The Scott Flung Show on seven hundred WLW. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.039 Short week for the holiday, of course, coming off an 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.360 awful weekend for sports and since none unless you know 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.600 it's Saint Xer team Same Xavier for that manner. It 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.120 was one of the biggest stories of the decade back then, 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.239 the disappearance and murder of Caitlin Markham. Of course, she 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:24.200 vanished from her Fairfield home in August of twenty eleven. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:27.520 Two years later, her remains were discovered at a dumb 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.800 site Indiana, and her fiance, John Carter, was indited for 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:33.240 murder just two years ago, so that's a full decade 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.879 after her disappearance. He pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter and 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:41.960 just before trial he received the three year sentence under 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.519 ohiolaw that's the maximum. Now John Carter wants early release 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.240 after serving fourteen months of his three year sentence, so 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.199 just a little over a year on. That is the 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.400 father of the late Caitlin Markham. Dave Markham on the 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.640 show on seven hundred WLW. Dave, I'd imagine this news 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.880 coming out is the context of the holidays coming It's 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.040 it's got to be hard every year for you. And 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.520 you know I heard this, I instantly thought of you 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.640 and the family. Your reaction, I know what mine was, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.760 But your reaction when you found out John Carter was 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.480 seeking early release after serving less than half of a sentence. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.280 What what were your thoughts going through your mind at 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:20.640 that time? 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:26.520 Actually? I just thought, uh, you know, the the audacity 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.920 and the and the arrogance that he just seems to 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:34.280 have that he doesn't you know, he doesn't deserve the 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.920 two times three years was not enough as it is, 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.440 But I don't know, he just seems to be living 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.240 in his own fantasy world that fourteen months and oh, hey, 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.720 I shouldn't have to serve time, you know, let me 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.920 out early. I've been a good boy, and I just 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.840 don't buy any of it. It's uh, it's very shocking. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.960 I guess it's I guess it's expected for him to ask. 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.720 They all have that, right. It was really hard to swalloough. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.920 Well, considering just how dishonesty was. I guess during this 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.400 whole process, for lack of a better term, fought everything 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.519 tooth and now and now twelve fourteen months later, he 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:12.960 wants out. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.079 Yeah, yeah, you said it. He's live from the get go. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.160 He lied to the nine to one one callers, and 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:25.520 he's been lying ever since. The prosecutor wants, you know, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:30.320 an education, and he wants him to vets up to everything, named, names, places, people, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:35.080 how he did it. I don't see John doing that. 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.240 He hasn't said one thing honest and truthful the entire 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:39.280 fourteen years. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.000 Yeah, Mike Bucher kind of laid it out there, floated 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.160 the balloon and said, look, if Carter is able to 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.120 give us the details, because that has been lacking in 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.519 this whole thing. What happened the night she died? Why 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.440 do you transport the body where you did put the pieces? 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:55.720 Was anyone else involved? For that matter? If he were 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.000 to give a full account, now, would that change your 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:00.000 position on his early. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:10.240 You know maybe, No, I don't think so. He would 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.960 really really have to come clean and be sincerely honest, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.919 and right now I'm just very doubtful that he can 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.360 be honest. So, you know, I'm kind I'm kind of 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.520 up in the air. No, don't. I don't want him 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.480 out early, And like I said, he'd have to really 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.880 do some convincing to get me to agree to let 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:39.200 him out early. And I think that fourteen, fifteen, eighteen 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.000 months is not nearly enough time. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:45.280 It sure isn't you know. The expression getting away with 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:49.360 murder is well used, for sure, and this certainly applies 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.000 here for what he did in his role in not 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.080 only just murdering Caitlin, but disposing of the body in 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.600 the most heinous fashion available, and then all the other 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.720 things that he did to try to cover the crime up. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.800 Serving just three years, let alone fourteen months doesn't seem 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.160 like it's enough. But at the same time, Dave Markham, 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.240 would you trade his early release for closure knowing exactly 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.240 what happened to your daughter back in twenty eleven? 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:19.320 I think so. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.240 You mentioned in court that Carter just won't get out 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.240 from under your skin. What's it like the last decade 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.280 plus living with this case owner resolved for so long? 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.240 We first a decade for an indictment and the plea 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.480 deal instead of a trial, and now this early release question. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.120 Yeah, I just can't seem to get away from it. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:40.839 You know. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.440 We went to court Thursday and I thought I was 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.599 going to get another answer, you know, deny or approve, 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:49.560 But then we come up with this and I've got 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:54.400 another you know, I've got another court date January ninth. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:55.480 I'll be back there again. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:04.680 It just seems to still just grab hold and uh, 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:06.920 you know, he doesn't ruin my day, but he sure 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.120 does put some put me through some emotions. Here we 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:11.640 go again. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.600 Is it especially difficult day of this happening right before 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.480 the holidays? I mean when were the holidays big and 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.160 your family with Caitlin and all that. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:27.640 Yeah, obviously it is. It is poor timing. Yeah, it's 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.560 a tough time of year every year, and I you know, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.039 I've got this hanging over my head now, and yeah, 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:40.279 it will definitely, uh, it'll definitely pull some emotions on Christmas, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.360 more so than usual, just knowing that a week later, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.640 you know, I'll be back in court trying to get 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:52.680 this thing closed, done, wrapped up, but behind me so 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.720 to speak. Yeah, and if John could come up with 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.640 some really honesty, then yeah, I'm I have a change 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.760 of heart, but I'm very very doubtful that he Yeah, 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.359 you can't do that. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.160 It's kind of a sophie's choice, right. You want him 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.000 to spend the maximum. At the same time, you also 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.719 want to know what happened to her, to your daughter, 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.560 and and at least no and know the whole story, 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.240 I guess, and that's what's been missing this whole thing. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.960 I can't imagine what it's like having his name pop 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.400 up every so often. Now every time he's up for parole, 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.840 you're going to go through this same set of emotions again. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.800 If you would just give up the ghosts, so to speak, 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.279 I think it'd be better for you, right. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.360 Yeah, I think, so give it up, be honest, and 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.840 then I'll deal with it the way I have to. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.880 But right now it's you know, it's never ending. There's 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.000 no there is no closure. It's always always there and 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.880 John just keeps, you know, rear in his ugly head 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:47.800 and here it is again. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:49.240 Yeah. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:49.159 Uh. 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.360 Dave Markham, dad of Caitlyn Mark, of course, disappeared from 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.080 her Fairfield home back in twenty eleven. Ten years later 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.400 find out founder remains, and then, of course John Carter 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.320 he and fiance indicted murder just two years ago. This 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.159 has played out since twenty eleven and now he's asking 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.360 for early release from his three year sentence. And that's 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:08.919 why it's only three because of the conditions in which 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.080 the confession came about, the involuntary manslaughter play. It means 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.119 only gets three years and that's the maxim for that charge, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.040 far less than a murder conviction would have brought. But 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.840 in retrospect, with this new information about him wanting out early, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.360 looking back, do you have thoughts about the decision, the 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:26.840 prosecutor's decision to accept that plea deal before trial. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:30.040 No. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.440 You know, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence and that's 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.760 what it was in this decision to definitely get you know, 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:48.280 his confession, his admission of guilt. That's something it could 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:52.600 have gone drastically wrong and him been you know, found acquitted, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.720 and I would not have liked that. I would Yes, 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:57.400 I would have liked to have seen him spend thirty 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:02.960 years behind bars. But now I don't. I don't question 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.360 the prosecutor's decisions. They've been very fair and honest, and 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.880 you know that they want him too. They're they're going 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:14.920 after him. So yeah, I respect him and in their decisions. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.560 You know, when they went and got the search order, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.240 the search weren't rather at h at the house of 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:26.080 John Carter's mom. There were a dozen items that receives 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:31.320 notes on the investigation, Caitlin's papers, some landscaping material that 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.080 they believe was a material that was taken to use 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.120 to wrap her body and then dumped in Indiana. There's 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.520 an SD card to drawings poetry about death and killing, 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.120 and some of those poetry kind of disturbing, uh in 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.840 a big way. You may recall some of the words 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.360 used by John Carter they found I think written over 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.520 the top of like a doorframe. I slit your wrists 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.360 with the keys to your heart deep down. I love her. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:53.720 You ought to kill her, but I love her. She 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.480 must die. I can't kill her, Yes you can, No, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:56.040 you can't. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:56.679 Uh. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.280 And all these weird writings that certainly in the kate 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.680 that he is the guy, and he confessed as such. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.960 And now Carter's mother suggests there's information about the case 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.440 that hasn't been discussed publicly. What do you make of 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.240 that claim? And is there anything that that would come 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:11.600 out of that? 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.800 Well, you know they they've said it before. Her family 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:21.199 has ye know that there's her side of the you 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.000 know John's side of the story, and we don't know everything. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.840 And here it is, that's the whole point of where 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.760 we're at, is that speak up, tell your side of 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.120 the story, be honest, be fair, that you know they 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.920 they talk about not hearing the whole story. Well, they're 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.560 the ones that's not talking about it, so yeah, you 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:40.599 know it doesn't make sense to me. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.480 Well, and the other thing too, is you know you 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.720 got motive too, because the search warrants, I guess. And 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.199 they interviewed to friend police did and the friend of 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.000 Caitlin said she was unhappy with Carter's lifestyle, said he 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.439 was using drugs heavily, he was into pornography, and she's 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.840 I'm no longer attracted him because he's not going anywhere. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.920 She's going to school, it's going to go make something 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.040 of her life, getting ready to move out of state 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.400 to Colorado. I believe that that seems to indicate that, 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.320 you know, it's almost ninety nine times out of one hundred, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.840 it's the person closest to you that's responsible. And this 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.240 case that's absolutely. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:15.920 True, right. I mean, statistics are it's the spouse, the boyfriend, 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.400 the one closest. And you know, I always kind of 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.440 felt that Fairfield didn't seem to believe that and go 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.760 after John, But here we are. You know, statistics again, Yes, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.720 there was the person closest to Caitlin. 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:37.120 Yeah, I mean, if anything, you haven't gotten any honest 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.760 answers about her disappearance, what happened to Caitlin? And that's 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.880 going to haunt you forever unless John does the right thing. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:44.520 But there's no indication he's going to do that. If 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.360 the judge denies her to a recent January and Carter 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:49.160 serves his full three years, they'll be out in less 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.520 than what two years from now? Are you preparing for 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:56.120 that reality? 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:01.679 No, it is what it is. He's going to be 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.000 out eventually someday, and I just hope and pray that 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.200 our paths never crossed. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.920 Yeah, I fire him. I'd probably get out of the 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.040 state and try to go somewhere else, And just at 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.760 that point it'll kind of be over for you because 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.400 you'll never see him again, hopefully. But you know, thirteen 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.160 years later, the healing process has been affected by the timeline, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.920 and and it's dragged out for so long, this whole thing, 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.600 and now you're back in court to fight against earl 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.040 the release. What do you want the judge to consider 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.800 most about this decision he's going to make in January. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:40.079 Well, mostly just that you know John's attitude, he has 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.680 not felt in a remorse. You know, if he gets 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.600 away with murder quote unquote, or he gets ear the 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.120 release and it's just a slap on the wrist. If 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.360 he doesn't come clean with himself and his honesty in 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:58.520 his own you know, minds and talks and anger, he's 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.000 allowable to do it again and that. But that's what 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.200 I'm afraid of. You know, he just doesn't he doesn't 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:09.319 take any responsibility and aff that's the case, then he's 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.920 liable to do it again. It's happened before. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.480 I believe he did. I not read. And you may 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.000 know more about this than I do. I think you would. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.280 Is that wasn't he didn't have a fiance. He had 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:20.760 a baby and like another one on the way when 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.200 he went to jail or at prison. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.240 Yeah, he's married now with two children. 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:30.480 Wow. That always amazes me too. If your name's in 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.560 the news or something like this, somehow you're attracted. This 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.600 guy is the I don't know, like he's an innocent 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.560 victim caught up on all this stuff. And you know, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.640 when the evidence has come out, it's pretty clear it 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.520 was John Carter. He just won't cooperate with authorities or 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.760 give you any relief. And now in January we'll revisit 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.640 this again for the empteenth time, and John Carter trying 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.079 to get out of jail early after fourteen months after 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.640 murdering Caitlin Markham. Do you feel if he does, he's 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:53.400 gotten away with it. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:55.960 Yeah? 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:56.320 I do. 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.160 Yeah. I think if he gets released without coming clean, 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.800 then he got away with it. And you know, I 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.959 sit here and think, just what is he going to 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:11.560 try to say? What is he going to try to 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.520 you know, his side of the story. And he's got, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:19.080 you know, six weeks to figure it out or write 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:27.160 a story or you know, collaborate with whomever. But yeah, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.480 I'm just very curious to find out what he actually 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.240 has to say, if anything. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.680 If he does, do you think he will do knowing 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.000 what you know about John Carter. 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.319 I think she'll say something. Yeah, because he wants out. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.840 I'll think he'll do anything to get out. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.400 Well, how much of us, say, did did with meeting 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.880 with prosecutor Mike Moser on this one, It's entirely up 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.760 to you whether or not you move forward with some 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.400 sort of deal to get him out of prison. What 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.199 would satisfy you? What would you have to hear? 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.840 I'd have to I've got to have to hear exactly 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:03.120 what he did, who and who. I would like him 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:04.960 to name names. I mean, may be too late to 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:09.120 prosecute because of the statute of limitations, but you know, I 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.320 would like to know who so that they get looked 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.480 at sideways when they walk by. I don't want to 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.720 ruin anybody's reputation, but on this case, you ruin it yourself, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.600 and let's hear it. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.280 Do you believe there was someone else involved with us? 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:26.960 I do. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.000 I don't think John could have moved the body himself. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.800 I don't think you had the smarts or you know, 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:38.560 the strength or ability. I certainly do believe somebody else 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:39.640 was involved. 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.760 Maybe he'll name names. I don't know why you'd be 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.800 loyal if you're in prison already. That's just the nature 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.480 of being in prison, I guess. But sadly, now your 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.000 your life is again up in the air for the 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.400 next month a month and a half before this goes 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.040 back to the judge, we'll continue to follow it. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:57.320 Dave. 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:00.240 Prayers to you brother. I can't imagine what you're going 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:00.880 through right now. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.760 All right, Thanks Scott, and I appreciate your continued support. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:06.600 All right, take care of my friend. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:07.360 Thank you all. 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.200 Right, Dave Markham, that's the dad of Caitlin mark. I mean, 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.280 I can't help but think getting a little emotional here 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.600 thinking about my daughter and the holidays because we all 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.120 enjoy spending time together as a family and what that 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.680 would be like without someone that special at the table, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.480 especially under the circumstances in which Caitlin disappeared and then 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.880 ten years later found out it was murder. And I 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:32.840 think Dave Markham knew that all along. So count your 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.800 blessings is thanksgiving right those around you you love, because 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.280 you never know. Horrible Scott's Loan Show seven hundred wt 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:48.240 weldo Scott's Loan back on seven hundred got a rough 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.520 weekend sports wise, right unless you're a Savior Saint Xavier 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.840 or Xavier University. Everything else just sucked. That was I 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.360 think to me, that was right up there with the 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.360 how long was that? Where you see and Xavier were 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.480 in the NCAA tournament both lost, got bounced on the 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.640 same day unexpectedly like that one really hurt this one. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.560 Yes this weekend was just like a long, painful goodbye. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:17.040 F Sea was terrible. Yesterday the Bengals close but no 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.000 cigar as usual and What a weird world in which 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:21.640 we live in which all of a sudden, now the 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:25.360 defense is okay and the offense is terrible, And so 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.320 goes the drama of the twenty twenty five campaign. I 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.840 thought for sure, the way things were lining up, that 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.880 Burrow would have started on yesterday. But still, I guess 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.600 what I heard was he was still a little sore 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.440 from practice this week, so they want to give him time. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.000 Presumably he's going to come back against Baltimore. But at 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.720 this point you wonder, are you just risking the franchise 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.040 if something happens to him in those two games or 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.320 down the line. I mean, what are we playing for 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.240 at this point? There's no way you're making the playoffs. Nonetheless, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.160 we've got other stuff going on, and not good news. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.840 Second time of the month, we've had a shooting in 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.160 front of Privy on a l and all the victims 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:06.119 are transported by private vehicles. Non life threatening urgents are emergency. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.120 But I guess they blocked out's charter tin and windows fired, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:12.280 A bunch of shots hit three people, and shots about 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.720 of course went off. At this point, you know, I 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:17.520 don't know how much more attention you can play pay 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.960 to one place in that you have hired arm security. 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.399 I guess in front of this thing. It's not a 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.560 good look when all the security personnel in front are 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.720 wearing kevlar and carrying weapons with them. Not a good 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.480 look for that neighborhood because I know a number of 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.600 people who invest down there, and Ryan guys being one 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.119 of them of course, but other people with like airbnbs 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.320 and like a ton of money in the line. And 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.159 you know, now this is twice in a month, and 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.119 the concerns are the loud music and the drinking on 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.679 sidewalks and fighting, littering and gunplay. Now two shootings in 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.959 the same month in front of Privy. At some point 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.240 you know clearly there's an element that is attracted to 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.600 that particular bar, not the kind of bar probably me 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.480 and you go to because if I see someone who 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.000 is wearing I don't know, a flak jacket and carrying 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.080 a long gun, a long rifle or a side arm, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.600 or wearing bulletproof armor or tactical gear. I look at 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.520 that and got I'm quite sure I want to go. 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.800 And it's DIFFERENTY go to a football game or basketball 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.000 you know you're gonna have armed security there. Obviously off 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.840 duty cops and stuff like that, because it's such a 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.040 big gathering. But yeah, just to talk about going to 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.960 a bar, I look at it and go, yeah, that's 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.399 not the risk of me, and some people yet are 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.280 attracted there. And you wonder who would be attracted to 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:26.359 go in an environment like that. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:28.199 Uh. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.159 I don't know if the city has the impetus to 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.440 shut this place down, but you think with the state 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.760 police involvement and everything else, that in electuor control, it'd 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.000 be a rather easy thing to do. But we're just 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.160 gonna sit around and wait till somebody gets killed, I guess, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.400 and go, yeah, we probably should shut this place down, 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.800 all right. So we have this going on. I've been 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.760 talking about healthcare because that's the big issue for us 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.480 in America at this time, and just wondering what's going 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.880 to happen with this deadline coming up end of the year. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.760 The ACA tax credits expire without the extension, about twenty 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.719 twenty two million people who will be in trouble and 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.680 not have that subsidy covering them. Trump's plan and the 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.000 GOP plan is health savings account so you have an HSA, 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:14.240 which is a coup as a credit cards account and 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.120 instead of giving the money to the insured, the money 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.280 would go right to your account. And the idea is, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.560 instead of giving the money to the insurance companies, you 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.320 can on the free market, go out there and decide 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.479 where you want to spend your money. Some of that 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.680 may be involving a bronze level ACA plan and the 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.960 federal money goes in if you're low, especially the lower 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.960 income you go, and that covers all that stuff as well. 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.000 Rick Scott is trying to label USS the Trump Health 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.280 Freedom Account for premium payments and things like that. The 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.760 opposition so far from the Democrats has been just not 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.800 enough time to implement this before January first. And if 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.600 you just extend this a year, we could sit down 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.960 and hammer out the finer points of this. And if 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:52.720 that's your plan, and you're gonna move forward with a grade, 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:54.560 and I think you should extend that a year because 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:56.919 too many people are going to fall off here in 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.520 just about a month or so. But the idea is 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.160 whether it's the ACA, which is all about subsidy subsidy subsidy, 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.679 or this plan to pair hsas with brown level plans, 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:08.800 or just have an HSA that the government would give 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:10.720 you money that goes into you buy your own insurance. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.439 The question is is that a good alternative. Well, we 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.920 know the ACA subsidies are. It's so here's an analogy 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.800 for let me. I love analogies because I'm not particularly bright. 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.479 It's just kind of a street smart but not not 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.760 necessarily book smart. But it's kind of like if you 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:31.320 gave someone a coupon. Here's instead of healthcare, let's say 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.040 it's a it's for a restaurant. Okay, here's the money. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.439 You get a discount coup with the AC. It's a 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.040 discount coup on an expensive restaurant. The HSA approach is 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:44.160 like giving someone cash and saying, go figure out where 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.240 you want to spend the money. It's a per diem. 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.600 So that coupon would allow you to eat at a restaurant, 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.720 which is the same as your comprehensive health insurance coverage. 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.040 Take that coupon and go health insurance er, go get 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.560 a meal somewhere. But the problem is the price of 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.600 that menu keeps rising and rising and rising, and in 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.040 the healthcare industry, the insurance company in the risk pool 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:11.200 keep the restaurant running. The cash gives you freedom to 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:14.159 choose maybe Okay, hey, I'm gonna buy groceries. I'll go 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:17.040 to Kroger. I'll cook it home, which would be you know, 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.600 basic go to I don't know, fast food or something 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.320 like that. That's routine care. So the asser every day 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:24.679 kind of like I'm gonna get a check up. It's like, 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.920 you know, buying groceries. Okay, so yeah, all right, it's 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.479 type out. I gotta afford that. Maybe you have an 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.480 elective procedure, and now you've got to pay more for that. 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:38.159 So that's like splourging out a good meal somewhere. But 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.199 if all of a sudden, let's say I don't know, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:44.640 you lose a bet you got, you're like a football. 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.119 You got to take like ten people taking your family 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:48.800 out for Thanksgiving dinner or something like that. It's a 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.680 five course meal at Boca. Let's say I was in 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:53.320 your forced to have five course meal at Boca. You 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.080 can't afford that, and that's kind of like cancer treatment 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.840 or major surgery, and that cash is gonna rot pretty quick. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.359 So the problem is if enough people stop going to 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.159 the restaurant because they're trying to stretch their cash, the 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.200 restaurants will close down and that leaves people with pre 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:13.800 existing conditions nowhere to eat at all. And so I 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.119 guess the way I look at it is it doesn't 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.520 seem to me like either of these things solve the 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.480 real problem, and the problem is why is the restaurant 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.119 charging one hundred dollars for a hamburger in the first place. 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.840 Neither the certainly not the Democrats plan and the Obamacare 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:32.680 subsidies answer that question, and neither is this. So what's 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:34.640 the difference if I give them money to insurance companies 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:36.600 or you give me the money and I give them 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.200 to insurance companies. It's the fact. And the other fact 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:42.439 of the matter is too. What's really not working with 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.880 ACA is the fact that younger people are seeing their 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.000 premiums or eyes and going, oh, I'm perfectly healthy. I'm 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.880 in my twenties. Remember this whole scheme was highly dependent 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.240 on younger people getting insurance, and more and more younger people, 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:58.560 as they get squeezed, are saying, hey, listen, I'm perfectly healthy. 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:00.760 I'm my twenties, maybe early thirties, whatever, and I'm not 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.760 seeing the signs of living my life the way I 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.480 live it, or just hereditary or just random illness causing me. 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.960 I just can't justify this. I was talking to someone 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:14.679 in their late twenties over the weekend said, yeah, I 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.119 was on it for a while, and I just I 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.080 don't see the point because I never go to the doctor, 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:20.200 but i'm the premiums keep going up. I can't afford 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.320 it for something I don't use. I'll throw And then 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.879 what that means is God forbid. Something happens and you're sick, 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.960 you show up to the hospital and you have to 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.520 be treated. By law, it can't turn you away. And 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.560 now who's going to pay that bill? You look at 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.240 it and go, wow, I've got a eighty thousand dollars 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.199 hospital bill and I'm being generous here for something that 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.840 was outside of my controller. Maybe it was and accidents happened, 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.560 I didn't have insurance. They've got to treat me. And 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.399 now I've got a file for bankruptcy or I'm going 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.960 to pay them I don't know, thirty bucks a month 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.280 for the rest of my life. It's just not sustainable. 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:57.280 And the more premiums go up, the more people, especially 0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:59.640 younger people who we need in the system because it's 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.240 depending done the young feeding the old. They're just fading away, 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:04.879 or give me the option go, well, I'm not going 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.200 to pay for this anymore. Remember there's going to be 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:08.879 a mandate that everyone had to pay for it, and 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.640 there's a pushback on that rightly, So you know it's 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.879 so you know, neither one of these ways. And then 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.440 with the Republican plan with giving you the money in 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.600 your own account, great, I can go shop on the market. 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:22.919 But I guess if I went to my doctor for 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:25.760 a checkup or a dental visit or something, that that's great. 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.720 But the problem is when something catastrophic happens, if I 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.200 get sick. I mean, I had a surgery on my foot, 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.399 and you know, I hit my deductible for the year, 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.640 but you're still talking thousands of dollars. Most people don't 0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:41.760 have that, and you know you have to have it 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.639 done because you can't be limping around or you know, 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.919 break a bone something like that. It's just it's just 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:51.320 a horrible situation. So you know, the idea here that 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.840 we're gonna here's our play. Our plan is to do 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:55.720 the same thing, only it's going to look different. I 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:57.359 just don't get what that's going to do for you. 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:00.400 Why are the costs so freaking high in the first 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.520 place is what we have to look at and then 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.240 address the problem from there. But you're not going to 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.840 do that in a month. That's for dang. Sure. I 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:08.840 love the idea of giving you more direct control over 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:12.320 your healthcare spending and removing the insurance company, your medias 0:25:12.600 --> 0:25:15.400 from the subsidy flow. And yeah, that could increase price 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.719 transparency and shopping behavior and all those things, and it 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:22.040 gets sort of bureaucracy. That's all well and good, but again, 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.919 the structural issue is the fee for service payment models 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:29.440 and centivized volume over value. There's the drug prices. Of course, 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:33.399 there's negotiating there. We're seeing hospitals because of the model 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.520 we have here consolidate to reduce competition, and there's no 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.960 mechanism to control that. Growth is a real problem. It 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.960 just continues to do more of the same, which is 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.760 redistributing subsidies. It's just more subsidy. It's just kind of 0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:50.720 an old idea. And by the way, I think Medicare 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:53.320 Part B jumps like almost ten percent. We're seeing employer 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.840 coverage seeing its highest cost increases in the last fifteen 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.840 years ago ours went up. And if you're going to 0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:03.240 make this truly affordable. You've got to talk about provider pricing, 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.040 you talk about drug cost, administrative costs system, and efficiencies. 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.240 This doesn't do any of that stuff. And so when 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.000 I see that there's this quote unquote maga revolt going on. 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:15.160 To some degree, we saw what happened with the Epstein 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:19.359 file release, where the GOP leaders, other than what one 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.959 one person said, we're gonna want the we want all 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:24.920 this release, Trump had no choice to go, Okay, let's 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.960 release these records. We saw what happened with Marjorie Taylor 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:31.679 Green over the weekend on Friday announcing her resignation effective 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.520 first of the year. Now, granted she does that right 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.359 after her her pension kicks in, which is pretty good 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.920 score for her and fireing that line of work. I'd 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:41.840 probably do the same thing. But again, we're back to 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.399 making America great again, and none of this is doing that. 0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.600 So she has legitimate beef, especially with someone she supported 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:50.240 with her own time and effort out on the campaign 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:53.440 trail for two terms, banging the drum for Donald Trump, 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.399 and then the minute she's at the Epstein thing and 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.760 some other other issues, of course, and now she's dead 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.679 to him. So you wonder kind of like where this 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:03.639 is all going. I think this is another thing. It's like, Hey, 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.440 we're supposed to be fixing these great problems, which is 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.560 why we elected you, and so far the economy isn't 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.119 doing what we promised, and certainly when it comes to 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.320 healthcare and other issues, this is a big plan. I mean, 0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.159 you've had fifteen years to come up with something, and 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.440 the something is we're just going to continue to what 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:22.440 we're doing. Why is healthcare so much so damn expensive? 0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:26.719 And neither side, neither Republicans nor Democrats want to address 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.440 the real issue here, and that is huge part of 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.320 the problem. And I think you're going to see another 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.480 starting to field, another shift going on, going all right. 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:36.280 I don't think Democrats will really have a plan. I 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:38.680 don't know what kind of leadership they have. Maybe GAVI 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.439 and do some I don't know. You've got socialists at 0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:43.000 the White House. I'm not sure what the hell's got. 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:44.560 I don't know who to believe anymore. I think that's 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:44.960 the problem. 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:45.240 Right. 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:47.159 We'll get a time out in more to follow on 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.439 this Monday morning, hopefully a short week for you, with 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.800 Thanksgiving on the horizon. They can't take our turkey. With 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.040 that we have, they can't take our turkey away. Pride 0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.160 that drumstick from my cold dead hands. Scott's loan seven 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:05.320 hundred wi a Scott's loan, This is seven hundred WLW. 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:11.000 So our big sports weekend, it was a big sports fail. 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:16.240 That was horrible week. Evert everything lined up like this 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.000 is going to be great, right, started out with so 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.840 much hope and promise or at least one local team 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.160 went anyway, And on Friday that would be uh Saint 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:29.000 X beating Elder and what twenty thousand people at pay 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.520 Corps on a chilly, misty, rainy kind of night. That's great. 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:34.920 Great Atmosphogot. I was not there, but I know a 0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:40.520 number of people that were, and everyone's absolutely just blown 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.400 away with how good it was because you know, the 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.720 ribbon boards had if sant exit score, they had the 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.720 blue and purple of the Elder, and it was just 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:51.640 an action packed game, certainly in the first quarter was unreal. 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.000 But also the fact that they had video and video 0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:58.040 replays up as well, and they went all in and 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.920 had all the you know, usual scoreboard operator and behind 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.880 the scenes teams working as they would a Bengals game. 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:06.960 The bad takeaway of this is because we're so used 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.680 to it watching the Bengals and NFL football, is that 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.480 you have multiple replays, you have officials on the field, 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.360 you have automatic reviews, booth reviews, and everything else right, 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:18.960 so you want to get it right, even though there 0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.600 are at least a couple of plays a weekend looks 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:25.560 like where they got it wrong. Nonetheless, it's we expect perfection, 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.880 we demand perfection. The problem with that is when you 0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:32.520 apply that the technology to high school, it doesn't work 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.840 because I was told there are a number of plays 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:40.960 where you know, these are high school officials officials on 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.880 an NFL field, they're not NFL officials. You have high 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.120 school officials. They're going to get wrong. I mean, it's 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.160 the way it used to be before technology. Right refereed 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:51.120 below the call and get mad at the referee. But 0:29:51.320 --> 0:29:54.320 that was consistent whether it's NFL college or high school. 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.440 And so now we have that collegiate, but especially the 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:00.360 NFL expectation at a place like pay Corps where they're 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.960 replaying they're showing the replace here from multiple angles and 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.200 pretty clearly guys out of bounds, he dropped the ball whatever, 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.880 and in high school you just you don't have the 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.640 benefit of instant replay, and so the officials are being 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:13.719 held to a much higher standard than out of control 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.640 of and we're so used to like, oh, yeah, clearly 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:18.520 he was juggling the bull, Clearly he was down. Clearly 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:19.400 he was out of bounds. 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:20.680 Uh. 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.320 And when they missed that call, you're like, well, what 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:23.760 the hell, look at look at the score. But well 0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:25.240 we can't. We're not allowed to look at that and 0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.640 review it. That's how high school athletics work. So I 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.280 don't if we should do that in the futures, have 0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:33.040 instant replay. But I'm a big proponent saying, listen, we 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.560 ought to have more games during the season at the 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:36.280 pay or that was awesome. I don't know if you 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.800 can do what they did on Friday night, and what 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:40.920 are you know what the break even point would be 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.680 for an event like that, because let's face it, you 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.800 can't have two you know, smaller schools. And obviously the 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.360 passionate san X and Hellill bring it of course, you know, 0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.360 without saying when they meet up, it's always big, it's 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.640 always a huge game. It's always happened. But I think 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:54.800 the are the games that you would think of that 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.480 certainly would rise to that level and you get huge 0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.800 crowds for it, so but then maybe consider for the 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:01.640 next time you do it. It's like, yeah, maybe I 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.360 don't know as much as the crowd would want to 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:05.520 see the replays and the you know, the highlights, like 0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:09.000 that's probably not good for the game and officiating because 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.600 it just great, say a lot more tension than you 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.600 would have normally just saying just saying, uh. Coming up 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:16.440 at ten, I was seven on the show Doctor Stephen 0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:19.040 Vegans is the medical director Hamilon County Public Health. Couple 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.959 things going on right now. One of them would be RSV. 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:24.480 The other flu. I don't know if you heard this. 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.480 We're having a particularly difficult RSV season, especially for younger 0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:32.600 and older patients. But I'm a I religiously get the 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.560 flu shot every year and I got one last year, 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:37.760 and I still think I got the flu. Now. It 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:39.400 was pretty I thought it was pretty bad because it 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.760 was I was three days I was down, and normally 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:44.400 that's like a week or so. So it does have 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.280 an effect even if they miss and okay, well, you 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.680 know once in a while we get that where the uh, 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.640 the current dose and the current vaccine does not match 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.280 up with what the current threat is because the nature 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.720 of you know, developing it and seeing what's happening. Well, 0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.200 we won't get no more with vegans in the middle. 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.920 But this flu season is supposed to be as bad, 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:03.680 if not worse than last year, I believe it or not, 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.479 because we have yet another mutation that happened after the 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.600 vaccine came out was in production. So whether or not 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.520 you get it or not, I mean, I'm I've had 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.959 it for a long time. I haven't had a problem 0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:17.400 with it myself, and I wonder how many times I 0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:20.200 would would have gotten the flu. And if you have 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.400 the flu, it's like it's a week, it's it's pretty bad. 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:25.320 And last year I got it, I had a vaccine 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:29.440 on it. Not only I guess conventional wisdom post COVID 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.160 is that, well, see this is it doesn't work. This 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:32.960 is why you shouldn't take it put that in your body. 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.560 I don't know, I've been doing it for thirty years. 0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:38.920 Look at it and go, oh, only times I prevented it. 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.000 But the other thing is it still gives you a 0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:45.800 little bit of protection against the virus. So you're saying, well, dummy, 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.560 you just got sick last year and you had the shots, 0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:49.800 so it doesn't matter. Yeah, But I as bad as 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.320 I felt, I couldn't I couldn't imagine how much worse 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:54.560 it would be had I not get some sort of 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:59.000 antigens in my bloodstream. That's my that's me. You may 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.480 be different. I'll leave it at that. Vegans is next. 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.920 He's the medical director Hamil County Public Health. This where 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:06.880 things stand headed in the cold and flu season. Still 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:08.320 not too late to get that flu shot. It might 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.160 help you a little bit anyway, And we'll find out 0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:12.240 how much from the man himself right after news on 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.720 the Home of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred ww Cincinnati. 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:16.960 Want to be an American? 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.440 Kick it off the holiday season this week seven hundred 0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:22.840 WWT Scott's Loan Show. And of course with that is 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:27.840 seeing friends and associates, coworkers, family and others. And that 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.240 means to come in close contact. And it is also 0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:32.640 the start of the hey, I'm going to get six season. 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.320 Some of u's already had a start on this one. 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:39.760 Hamlin County is seeing a rise in pediatric RSV hospitalizations 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.680 and usually early in the season. The other thing you 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.600 need to know is that for the second consecutive year, 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.280 it looks like this flu season is going to be 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.760 pretty bad. That's because of a new mutation. On the 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.680 show on seven hundred, WW is the medical director of 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.560 Hamlin County Public Health, doctor Stephenvegans. Good morning, how are you? 0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.040 Thanks? Got good morning? How are you? 0:33:58.480 --> 0:33:59.880 I'm well today tomorrow? 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:00.960 Not this link. 0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:04.640 Yeah, I'm well today tomorrow. I don't know. We'll find 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.640 out here. Good to have you back, and I know 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.439 you're really busy. Thanks for taking time out. So first 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.320 of all, let's start with the RSV thing. We're seeing 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:15.640 a rise number of hospitalizations unusually early this year. What's 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:16.120 driving that. 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.000 Well, Urcity is one of the big three restaurerts and 0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:24.960 dicial bars, COVID and influenza uh, and it disproportionately impacts kids, 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:29.399 basically very young and so you know we've last year 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:33.160 we saw a pretty significant RC season in children. This 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.120 year we actually sat a little bit earlier. So typically 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.279 all this season starts, you know, after October one, towards Thanksgiving. 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:43.560 We started seeing cases in September. Why is that? It's 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.319 probably just a combination of a bunch of stuff, kids 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:50.120 being out and about as well as adults. So and 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:54.080 there's a there's some now now some vaccines for mothers 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:56.239 so that the kid doesn't get RCV as well as 0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:00.040 older adults. But yeah, it's just a part of the 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.799 respiratory season. And we're saying it especially especially as we 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:05.160 go into the holidays. 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:09.640 Okay, it hits our elderly people just as likely to 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:10.719 get RSV as a child. 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.040 Yeah, and so in fact it impacts the very young 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.640 and the very old. And that's why these are these 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.920 vaccines are now out for you know, age seventy five 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:22.880 and upright, it's fifty enough. And so all the stuff 0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.920 that you find yourself in the hospital for even to 0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:31.000 some extent fluence restaports and fishial bars. And so you've 0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.760 got the young that may be impacted by the old, 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:35.759 and the old that may be impacted by the young. 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.040 And so the important thing is to wash your hands, 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:39.920 do all that stuff. You're gonna let this hold you. 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.200 But also if you are eligible, there's some vaccinations now 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:44.400 in the last two years. 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:46.400 Yeah, how does that present? By the way, it's art 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.319 because you know, I don't know what we called it 0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.120 back in the day, but it seems like a it's 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.360 another one that there's no illnesses. You guys in Hamlin 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.960 County Health made up. No, we didn't make it up. 0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:57.160 You know. 0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:02.080 The key it vegans. It's all about marketing. 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:06.799 Yeah, well we just report right, but it's it's like 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.680 a lower respiratory track, so you know the cold. Uh, 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.200 the typical coronavirus is upper restory. Cause that. 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.160 We're losing your cell you there, Doctor Stephen Fagin's into 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.000 the lungs. Yes, oh we're losing her. We lost you 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:23.560 there for a minute. 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:25.600 Oh, sorry about that. 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.719 Yeah. So viruses that can kind of get down in 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:29.840 the lungs are the ones you got to kind of 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:32.080 worry about. And so that's when you you know. 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.759 Kind of cutting. Now you're cutting your cot. I'll pause 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:42.640 for a second. Maybe you can get another bar on 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.760 your phone. There, it's doctor Stephen Fagan's medical director, Hamlet 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.759 County Public Health. With the cold weather now here, the 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.760 wet weather, and of course being around family and friends 0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.799 and big crowds as we like to do during the holidays, 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.160 and then being inside of course as an element of 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:00.640 this thing too or see an RSV cases hospitalizations spike already. 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:03.520 We know that it is deadly and children especially if 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:06.240 it's left untreated. And we're talking about the warning signs, 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.600 So are you saying, is it cough, is it fever? 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:09.480 Is both of those? 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.360 Yeah, it's mostly fever as well as cough. And so 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.200 you know, if you're very young, and they always tell 0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:17.279 you if you have a feed you need to go 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.280 to hospital, especially if you're in that first month of life, 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:23.239 and so those first six months are very susceptible and 0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:25.959 that that's the kind of the problem that you'll see. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.600 And you also that's why you have those bulbs to 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.879 clear out the nose from all the congestion as well, 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.440 so you can kind of reade that. Yeah, fever and 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.520 cough is what the first start can be, gotcha. 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan of the upper respiratory. Having 0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.319 one of those nasal rinses, the netty pop things work 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:46.800 pretty much kind of gross, but especially in an allergy season. 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.479 I use it not often, but pretty much you're around 0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:51.160 if I'm a little bit stuff, you just kind of 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:54.120 clean the pipes out a little bit. So we have RSV, 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:55.839 but we also have the flu too, so let's talk 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:57.120 about that. I think that's the one that's going to 0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:01.279 affect a lot more people, it's a so explain how 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:03.560 the flu vaccine works. People go, well, let's why I 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.920 don't get the vaccines because it doesn't work. It's not 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.640 worked last year, it's not going to work this year. 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:10.120 Why can't they get this right? It'd be the typical 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.799 question that gets asked, how do you answer that? 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.600 Yeah, So the flu vaccine prevents you from having bad flu, 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.560 finding yourself in the hospital or find yourself in the 0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:22.440 emergency department. The reason employers like you to get the 0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:25.400 flu vaccine. It also keeps you able to work, and 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:29.600 so it doesn't decrease transmission, although it can some, but 0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:32.520 it doesn't really decreases just how bad the flu is 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:33.520 when you get it. 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.160 Yeah, And also we look at what is happening half 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.520 a world away, right whereas now summer, you know, on 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.279 the other half Australia, for example, we look and see 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.440 what diseases they get in the winter and go, okay, 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:48.719 that's going to be part of our annual vaccine here 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.040 in America. And sometimes now two years in a row, 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.719 we missed a mutation. In this case, it's called the 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:55.319 H three and two. What is that? 0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.319 Yeah, so we characterized by H or even gluten or 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:04.280 in neuromenidase, and so it's the hema gluten that helps 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:05.920 the virus get into the cell, and that's what you 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.880 vaccinate against. The neuromenidase is what the TAMA flu and 0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:13.600 anti viarl's work against. And so we're always looking to 0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:18.239 see if the h part changes in arch of the 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.040 typical year when they have to decide what's the vaccine 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:22.960 going to have in it because it takes six months 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.279 to produce, you look at the southern hemisphere like Australia 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.319 to see what it's going to be like for up here, 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:32.000 and so between summer and going into fall, it looks 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.160 like yes, there was not just a small but a 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:38.920 pretty significant change actually changing from one subclaim to another. 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:43.520 As you mentioned previously, United Kingdom is seeing a significant 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:48.040 flu season. Japan of the places saw a significant flu season, 0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:51.000 and we did have a big a three into flu 0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:53.279 season last year, one of the biggest months they had 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.520 in five years here both locally and nationally. So who 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.760 knows what's coming up? We'll see right right, are you 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:02.759 what's the scoreboard saying right now? I know you have 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:06.440 the tracker the gateway on your website, but does it 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:08.040 look like it's going to be a particularly bad flu 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:12.640 season again. Well, and actually what we're showing is a 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:17.440 lower hostilization rate for influenza than the five year average 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:20.879 would show. But the reason for that is that the 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.759 High Department of Health change their data to something called 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.239 Clinton Sinc October one, and so we're not sure. We 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.319 think it's reporting lower than actual because if you go 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:34.200 to actual hospital, we're higher than what we typically were 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.200 over the five year average. So we have a little 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:40.000 bit of data reporting issue. Subjectively, it looks like we're higher, 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:41.920 but we are reporting slightly lower. Right now. 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:43.920 The vaccine better for kids or adults. 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.319 It's best for both six months and up. Go get one. 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.840 It's about fifty percent effective, which doesn't sound like much, 0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.799 but it does a lot if you're feeling bad against hospitalization, 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.160 er visits and having bad flues. 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.920 Well, we see at some point a combined combined vaccination 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.480 doctor Stephen Fagin's where you get the flu and an 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:05.520 RSV in the same one. 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.279 Now, probably not that there's a potential combined covid and 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.839 flu vaccine, but I will tell you if you're an 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.600 adult and you qualify, you can get RSC vaccine Influenza 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.160 vaccine and COVID vaccine all at the same time. It'd 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.160 be a good thing to do before the holiday. 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.680 How we do it on covid By the way, we've 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:26.720 talked about RSV and the flu. I mean, obviously COVID 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.480 was major headlines five years ago but diminishing ever since. 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.120 Is that like a false sense of security? 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.319 Well still here, still puts feature in the hospital, not 0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:39.480 as much as it did. It's almost something that we 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:41.239 kind of we kind of deal with. We do have 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:44.560 some antivirals, just like flu. If you do have a 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.960 positive COVID test, it's good to start the anti viral 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.359 within two days of the first symptoms. But it's it's 0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.319 still here. It's one of the big three that we 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:53.880 that we monitor. 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.239 But it's not we're not seeing the fatality rich because 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:57.480 we've all lot they heard immunity. 0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:04.600 We got some immunity less combination combination vaccine and prior 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:08.839 evaccine and stuff, and it's mutating less fast than it 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.960 used to, and so that's also well. And so we 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.560 do have the experience and it's just one of the 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:19.880 viruses now. We definitely definitely don't see the fatalities that 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.080 we saw with this when it first started. 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.000 Which we kind of do, but five years ago much different. 0:42:24.040 --> 0:42:26.759 We're in a much different spot at that time. How 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.080 much of that immunity has to do with the vaccine 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.759 versus natural resistance and the herd immunities I. 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:35.680 Mentioned, Yeah, probably a combination of both. You know, the 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:39.040 vaccine probably has its effectiveness like flu for the first 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.040 three to six months, and then it gradually comes off. 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.239 And so it's probably more previous affection immunity right now 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:49.120 than vaccine immunity. But there is a good combination of both. 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:50.920 And if you're a certain age or have a lot 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.040 of comorbidities, you know, it's a good idea to go 0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.360 ahead and get that COVID vaccine to boost that. 0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.279 Is it like RSV in a way that the young 0:42:58.320 --> 0:42:59.719 and very old are the ones that really need to 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:00.759 get accident. 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:06.239 Inno sense, Yeah, you probably can drop that age range 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:11.520 around fifty or so for COVID, but nonetheless that's exactly right. Yeah, 0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:14.799 the American pediatrics will say that from six months to 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.040 two years, they're recommending the COVID vaccine for kids. 0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.640 I know that Texas is dealing with a very severe 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.640 whooping cough upraiss like I think four times higher than 0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:26.040 the national average or something like that. Why Texas, And 0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.880 are you seeing any of those upticks in protests here 0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:29.479 in the Tri State? 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.160 Yeah, we are and we continue to see that. And 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.920 Protestis is a bacteria and it's a vaccination. That's what 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:41.000 teed app tatness dipteria a cellar Protestas is vaccinated for. 0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.160 But the vaccine kind of wanes over time, and you 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.400 do treat it with zpac. It's just from isen and 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:49.880 if it's a reportable condition. So if we see a 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.759 kid with protessas, we will actually treat other members of 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:54.200 the family their home. 0:43:55.440 --> 0:43:58.600 Yeah, because as a child, you might get this if 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.560 you're not vaccinated or not on the schedule yet. But 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.040 of course as you get older, you don't get vaccine 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.320 as often, and so that makes older people where the 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.480 vaccine has worn off, it affects them. 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.920 Yeah, it does. And you won't get the big whoop 0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.000 of a cough that you do when you're older that 0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:17.920 you know, you characteristically know that barking cough if you've 0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.279 ever heard it. But you do get pretty, you know, 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.239 pretty sort of bress. You got enthizin or asthma or something. 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:24.960 It can it can pass it even more. And so 0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:27.600 it's not about it I diea sometimes you get the t down. 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:31.480 It is recommended if you go travel. That's a travel vaccine. 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.440 Okay, Yeah, there's a lot of things I get. I 0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.000 mean nice for when I travel abroad, that's for sure, 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.239 because a lot of nafty things out the world. Doctor 0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:42.560 Stephen Figin's medical director Hamilt County Public Health. We're seeing 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:46.280 spike and RSV cases here among the young and older people. 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:47.799 But it's going to be a rough season for that 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.320 as well as the flu because we have a mutuded 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.680 strain that came out since the vaccine was developed six 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:57.080 months ago. It's it's causing hospitalization rates to spike in 0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.440 the UK, Canada, Japan, Australia and the other half the world. 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.239 And so expect a bad flu season. Not too late 0:45:03.280 --> 0:45:05.200 to get that flu vax or the RSV by the. 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.839 Way, right, absolutely get it now. You can get them 0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:12.840 together and you know, the shared decision making it's discussed 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:17.480 about talking with your pharmacists qualifies. The attestation of a 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.239 you know, comorbidity to get one or more of the 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.799 vaccines is a self attestation. And so if you feel 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.120 like you really would benefit from that. Go to your 0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:27.680 local pharmacy and talk with them. 0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:32.000 Yeah, and that makes make sense, and it really you know, 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.000 you can get right in these days too, because are 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:35.879 we seeing a decrease in the number of people people 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:37.600 getting vaccinations? What do you attribute that to? 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:43.279 Well, all kinds of stuff and that the various hesitancy 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.799 and things like that. But we still feel a fair 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:47.920 bit of confidence in the vaccine. And you talk to 0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.120 people and like, do you want to get this vaccine? 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.320 They may not want to, but they think other people should. 0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:54.719 And so you know, there's still a high confidence. And 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.160 there are lower rates for a lot of reasons, and 0:45:58.000 --> 0:45:59.760 you probably talked about most of them. 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.759 Yeah, And it seems to me like all vacs. It's 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.320 weird because we had COVID, and granted it was controversial. 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:07.399 We developed the fast dressed and thing and people went 0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:08.880 and I get it. You know, I'm not going to 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:09.800 put that in my body. 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:11.040 You know. 0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:13.080 I read, I read what was about and how you 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.520 developed and said, Okay, I'm gonna I'd rather take my 0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.160 risk with a vaccine than take up my risk with 0:46:17.200 --> 0:46:19.560 COVID because I knew people actually got sick and died 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:22.000 from COVID who were normally healthy people. You just don't 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.120 know how your body is going to react. I had 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.880 it a couple of times and I'm fine, but someone 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:28.920 else may give us perfectly healthy and wind up passing. 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:30.960 And this was in you know, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:33.200 Since then, we've learned a lot about this. But it 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.080 seems like because of that vaccine hesitate with COVID that's 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:40.120 now spread to other vaccines. Is that what you're saying? 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:44.440 You know, good ass, and we're actually last year we 0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:48.799 dropped alow fifty percent for pediatric influenza vaccination. Forty nine 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:53.000 percent pediatric kids got vackcin to against influenza. In addition 0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:55.400 to the biggest influenza season we had last year, there 0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:59.680 were two hundred and eighty seven pediatric deaths eighty seven. 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.080 That's the highest in two thousand and four, and half 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:07.120 of those kids were totally healthy, had nothing else going on. 0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.479 I ended up dying from the flu. So it's still 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:13.080 there and it's still important to get the vaccine. 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.560 Yeah, gotcha. When you guys monitor, do you put all 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.960 this stuff on your dashboard or the Hamlet County Public 0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:21.160 Health website? What the data is it's interesting how you 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.920 collect that. Could you take us through where those numbers 0:47:23.920 --> 0:47:25.840 come from and how you get your accuracy? 0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.759 Yeah, so for rest of ours is it's hospitalization. So 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:32.560 that's the one thing you clearly know if you're in 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:34.640 the hospital and you have a positive test, you definitely 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:36.400 know you have it. And so it's the one. So 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:40.799 it's for RC COVID influenza that data Hall hospitals are 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:44.200 required to report and they report up electronically through the 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:46.640 Ohio Department of Health and we get that data from 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:49.319 the High Department of Health and that's how we get that. 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.760 We report it locally report Hambleton County south Ofst. Ohio 0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.359 as you see on the website, but it does come 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.720 through ODH, which is anytime there's a glitch or anything 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.360 in that reporting, there's a delay or possibly an underreporting 0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:06.719 of the numbers. We think that's happening now for this month, 0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:08.040 and we're working to reconcile that. 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:10.680 Yeah, I gotcha. The other thing too is you guys 0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:13.160 look at wastewater treatment plants. 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:17.399 Right, yeah, you do, and so here locally there's three 0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:21.239 wastewater plants that are monitoring mostly for COVID nationally to 0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:25.280 monitor flud polio as well as RSV. The thing about 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:29.360 RSV SCOTT is, for the most part it's the kids 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.839 that shed who are putting it in a diaper, who 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.000 doesn't go to the wastewater. So it's a little bit 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.160 of underreporting. But you could, you know, get some trend 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:40.399 from adult RSC. We don't measure RSC locally though. 0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:43.480 That's incredible how granular you can get into the details 0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:45.120 what's in our wastewater right? 0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:49.799 Well, and there is one case of polio not here 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:51.640 but in New York, and it picks it up in 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:54.520 the wastewater. It is an absolutely amazing technology. 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:56.879 How do you know it's uh, how do you pick 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:58.319 out one case out of some water? 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:01.480 Well, there had to be more than one case, And 0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:03.680 so you pick up the little sipe in the DNA. 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.719 Not only did they know it was polio, they know 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:09.839 it was wild type meaning not vaccine associated polio, which 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:10.560 is amazing. 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.319 That is incredible. How much there's just gotta be so 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:16.400 much information out there that's noise. On top of if 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:18.320 you're getting down the world a couple of cases of 0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:21.239 polio and a sample of wastewater, there's gonna be a 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:23.160 ton of other interesting data you pull out of there. 0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.200 Well, yeah, I mean, but Pablo is very unique DNA 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:32.800 and it's like CSI, you know, in terms of DNA testing, 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:34.719 and it's amazing. The guys that do this are super 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.040 geeks and they really go on and on about it. 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:40.200 I bet. Yeah. It's always a fascinating dinner discussion when 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.520 the when the guys who look through wastewater and the cowboy, 0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.120 it makes me want to order a second round. 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:46.560 Uh. 0:49:46.640 --> 0:49:49.400 Doctor Stephen Fagin's is here. He is a medical director 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:52.640 Hamlin County Public Health. Expect a bigger RSV season, a 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.959 bigger flu season as well. COVID numbers should be about 0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:57.520 the same we expect or more. 0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:02.360 Yeah, so far, so good. Probably a little uptick, you know, 0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:05.319 around Christmas or so. That's why we started basically looking 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:09.000 at the big three altogether respiratory virus season and what 0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:12.640 is the impact, mostly around hospitalizations, and mostly so we 0:50:12.680 --> 0:50:14.759 can know how many beds do we need or how 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:16.600 much capacity do we need as a region. 0:50:17.040 --> 0:50:20.520 Gotcha, what's going to keep you awake at night here 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:22.840 for the next few months this season? 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:28.280 You know everything? God, but I do. I am concerned 0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:31.800 about this shift in subclade for a three into for 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.120 influenza and just what that might mean, because you know 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.680 that's they call it vaccine evasion, which means that our 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:42.480 immune invasion, so previous immunity or vaccine immunity you know, 0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:45.560 isn't doesn't work nearly as well. When that human glutin 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.400 thing really changes, that could make a big difference. And 0:50:48.440 --> 0:50:51.319 we could see an even more significant flu season this 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:54.520 year than we did last year. And the vaccine still works. 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.080 Vaccine still helps. It may not be, you know, as 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.920 much as as it typically might, but it definitely does 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:04.040 health as well as covery calls wash your hands and 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:05.600 do what your grandmother told me to do. 0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.120 And advice is still to wash your damn hands and 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:12.719 cover your mouth when you sneek. Yeah, it's it's I 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.279 mentioned before you came on and I got the flu 0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:17.280 last year. I have to get the vaccine every season, 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.399 and I hit me and somebody said, hey, you know, Slan, 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.239 why are you getting the vaccine? It doesn't work. I'm like, 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:24.360 I'm thinking, but if I was, if I've got that 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.560 crappy for three days, I could have I'd probably been 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:28.480 in the hospital if I didn't have the vaccine to 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:30.960 at least help my body deal with us. So you 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.239 even get you do get some protection and some of 0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:37.719 those proteins in your body. Even if you they wind 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:39.880 up miss guessing and we have some sort of mutation 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:40.800 like we have this year. 0:51:40.719 --> 0:51:43.840 Right, oh my gosh. Yeah, And then you know, the 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.799 flu vaccine really kind of only works for about five 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.120 to six months. That's why you get one every year. 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:51.600 That's why you kind of time it so that you 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:53.920 sort of you know, certainly two weeks before the holiday. 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.239 He's got two weeks to have the impact. And it 0:51:56.360 --> 0:51:59.560 definitely works, and get one every year. There's a medicine 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:01.440 called him Solues that also work, but you have to 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:04.640 take it within forty hours of the start of symptoms. 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:07.279 But you always know when flu stars it is a 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:12.560 sudden fever, feeling bad. You know time that that occurred, 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.680 so it's a little bit easier to time the medication, gotcha. Yeah. 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:17.640 You know people go, oh yeah, the stomach flu for 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:20.799 a day, Well, that's not the flu. That's something entirely gasting, rise, 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:23.279 something entirely different. You have the flu. You know you 0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.520 had the flu. It's a good solid week of feeling 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:29.080 a feeling like you've been over by a school bus. 0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:32.160 Well, and there is a virus called neuro virus the 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.799 winter vomiting signal, and so that's another varus you see 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:39.719 in the winter. And we had a pretty significant neauro 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:43.200 virus season last year as well. But that's upper GI 0:52:43.560 --> 0:52:46.080 just like up restory upper gif. You're vomiting. You know, 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.920 it's irritating the stomach. You haven diary, you know it's 0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:50.239 irritating the colon. 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:54.560 Right right, all right, useful information and this is why 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:56.800 we do it at a ten ten thirty because it's 0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.280 far enough between breakfast and lunch is to not nausey 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:02.799 your further Dutch. Stephen Fagan's medical director Hamlin County Public Health. 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.560 Always appreciate you coming on. Thanks for the time. 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:06.719 Thank you, scot Care. 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.520 All right, well there you go. You got your information 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.000 for Warner's four Arms, Scott's Loan Show with News and 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:15.480 three on seven hundred WW. Everyone needs help every now 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:18.520 and then, and she's here to help us get our 0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:19.080 heads right. 0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:23.360 This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire. 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.320 All right, the holidays are coming up. We start with Thanksgiving. 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:30.600 You know what that means. That means fighting, That means 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.680 pies getting thrown across the room, ceilings full of mashed potatoes, 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:38.120 picking pieces of cranberry out of the paintings on the wall, 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:42.120 clocks that are filled with the guts of turkeys because 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:44.799 people just don't get along, damn it. It makes you 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:48.160 want to eat Thanksgiving dinner by yourself. Julie hattershre welcome back, 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:48.520 are you? 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:50.560 I'm fine. 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:52.880 I'm laughing at what you just said. That sounds like 0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:54.200 a middle school food fight. 0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.439 Probably. I've bet there's plenty of households at the vault 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.480 into that. It's like an episode of Landman. Every time 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:01.520 they sit down they eat, the food's getting thrown around. 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:05.640 It's unbelievable, But that's true for a lot though. It's like, Man, 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.960 you get around relatives you only see maybe during the holidays, 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:11.600 maybe once a year or maybe twice a year, and 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.759 there's a sense of dread out there. There's a lot 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.360 of people that dread Thanksgiving or Christmas. 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:20.879 There are a lot of people, yeah, yeah, that dread 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:23.400 the holidays for that very reason. 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:24.320 People they don't. 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:26.160 See very often and don't actually have a lot in 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:28.399 common with or even enjoy the company of that they 0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:28.719 have to. 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:29.399 Spend time with. 0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:30.320 It can be hard. 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:31.120 What drives that. 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:35.719 Well, I mean, you know you choose your friends, right, 0:54:35.840 --> 0:54:38.800 You don't choose your coworkers, and you don't choose your family, 0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:42.440 but you do choose people to spend time with. 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:46.279 And so if family, if family are the people. 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:49.160 You're spending the holidays with, and you don't you don't 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:51.080 like them, you don't have a lot in common with them, 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:52.440 They find. 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:54.120 You annoying, you find them annoying. 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:57.720 It can be really it can. 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:01.520 Cause this sense of dread and taste for the holidays 0:55:01.760 --> 0:55:03.880 make you want to spend them by yourself, maybe because 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:06.680 that's a little bit easier than going home wherever you're 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:08.600 going for the family holiday. 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:09.000 Yeah. 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:10.920 I always love it when you know, I don't know, 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:13.760 you get one of your cousins of sech extended family 0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:15.680 in there and it's at some point, you know, she's 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:19.040 going to bring about the topic of a genocide in Gaza, 0:55:19.120 --> 0:55:20.799 which is always uplifting holiday talk. 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.600 That sound Yeah, isn't it lovely that people will do 0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:27.319 that at the holidays with everybody around. So if you 0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.279 have people like that who you know are going to 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:31.360 want to talk about things you don't want to talk about, 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.239 doing a little prep work ahead of time can be 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:35.560 really really helpful for you. 0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:37.799 So the first thing that. 0:55:37.760 --> 0:55:40.920 I recommend people do is you're probably going to know 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.680 who those people are at the event who are likely 0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.640 to go places conversationally that you don't want to go, 0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:49.040 unless it's everybody, in which case you. 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.000 Might want to sit this one out, but there are. 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.040 Probably a few people who are likely to do that. 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:57.400 I recommend that you prep a few alternative topics of 0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:01.160 conversation specific to each one of those people, and even 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.239 maybe write them down and stick them in in a 0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:05.719 card in your back pocket or whatever that you can 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.440 go to the restroom and figure out, Okay, what am 0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:09.239 I going to talk to Aunt Susie about because she's 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:10.560 going off on politics again. 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.280 Oh yeah, they just renovated their kitchen. 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.080 Let me ask her about that when I get back 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:14.560 out there. 0:56:15.000 --> 0:56:17.879 So you can prep some pivot topics ahead of time 0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:20.759 specific to the person so that you don't feel like 0:56:20.800 --> 0:56:21.960 you're caught in a trap. 0:56:22.120 --> 0:56:23.440 You can you have a way out, you have a 0:56:23.440 --> 0:56:23.839 door out. 0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:27.560 Okay, God, it makes sense. I you know, I was 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:29.840 just thinking. It's just talked about this too. There's a 0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:32.600 great marketing opportunity, you know, if if we ever want 0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:35.000 to get cigarette smoking back in the fold, this is 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:39.879 a good time to take it up because you just go, hey, yeah, 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:42.160 I'm gonna go grab a smoke and it Yeah, I'm 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:43.880 gonna go and just and just stand out there for 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:46.680 you know, even like fake cigarettes they sell the good 0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.120 fake ones on looks like you're burning a you know, 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:52.759 you're burning a dart, and you know it's okay, and 0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:54.680 people don't want to be around that they see the smoke. 0:56:54.719 --> 0:56:56.680 I'm my god, I can just keep going out there 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:58.759 doing that. Take your little you know, five ten minute break. 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:01.120 I love that idea. 0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:04.360 I have clients who have a very politically divided family 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.879 and this year, the rule is you can talk politics 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:10.600 at Thanksgiving, but you have to do it outside. And 0:57:10.640 --> 0:57:14.000 they live in a very cold part of the country, and. 0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:16.040 So they you can talk politics, but you have. 0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:17.960 To talk them outside of the house. You can't talk 0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:20.480 about them in the house. And so anybody who feels 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:22.040 compelled to do that has to go stand out in 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:22.400 the cold. 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.000 That's a good way to do it. You get you 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:27.760 get in time out outdoor time out is what's happening. 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:30.520 I love that exactly, That's exactly what you get and 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:32.479 it's going to shorten the time you do it because 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.440 it's going to be really chilly and windy at night. 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.040 And so they that's how they've decided to do it. 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:40.160 Last year they try to know politics Thanksgiving. That didn't work. 0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:40.960 This year, they say. 0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:43.880 Politics are fine, but you have to do it outside 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:44.440 of the house. 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:47.560 And I will be curious to see how that goes. 0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.240 Is that the big one from your house, most peoples, 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:53.760 is the big one? Politics? People are talking well, I 0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:56.080 would say just I think we're all, even those on 0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:57.919 the extreme side of it, they seem would you seem 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:01.040 like we're so exhausted and frustrated that I don't know 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:02.320 if it's going to be as bad as it's been 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:02.959 in years past. 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:07.000 I wonder about that too, because I think we've all 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.320 kind of realized that we're not going to change the 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:14.600 opinions of people who aren't flexible. Right, no matter which 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.280 side of the political spectrum you're on, if you've got 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.520 somebody who's on the very far other side, nothing you 0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:22.880 can say or do is going to change their perspective 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:26.160 or their mind. If you've got people who are more centrist, 0:58:26.200 --> 0:58:29.560 and you can have a more reasoned conversation that that 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:31.920 might be worth doing if you feel like they're reasonable 0:58:31.920 --> 0:58:33.760 people and you can have a nuanced conversation. 0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:35.640 But if you are on one end of these other 0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:36.200 people are. 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:38.200 On the other end, nobody's going to change your mind 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:39.480 and you're not going to change theirs. 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:41.240 So let's move on to other things. 0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:43.200 I think there are a lot of people who are 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:44.080 pragmatic like that. 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:45.960 I also think there are a lot of people who 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:46.880 are really. 0:58:47.120 --> 0:58:50.840 Staunchly grounded in their beliefs and feel like it is 0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:53.520 not only their right but their responsibility to try to 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:57.919 convert others. So I do think politics is one. I mean, 0:58:57.960 --> 0:58:58.440 there are. 0:58:58.320 --> 0:59:02.600 All the usual topics. Religion is another one. What's going on. 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.840 With your kids, how they're ruining their own lives is 0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:09.200 another one. There are so many hot topics for people. 0:59:09.240 --> 0:59:13.400 It varies by family, and so just knowing what yours 0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:17.680 are and what your particular sensitive spots are and then 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:20.479 having some strategies if those come up, to be able 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:22.440 to manage them effectively, I think is the best you 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:22.800 can do. 0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:26.000 Julie Hattish share our licensed mental health therapist on The 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:28.080 Scot's Loan Show on seven hundred wo to a mental 0:59:28.080 --> 0:59:31.440 health Monday, and we're talking about the looming Thanksgiving holiday, 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:33.920 which is great for all of us, most of us anyway, 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.720 but sometimes you get family members over extended family, and 0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:38.960 it can get a little hairy when it comes to conversations. 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.520 How do you steer yourself out of these things? Why 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.320 can't we just go listen? You know, I'm really not interested. 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:46.440 It seems like the easiest thing to do. 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:51.280 You absolutely can, and sometimes people will respect that, and 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.720 sometimes they won't. So, you know, I'm thinking specifically of 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.400 a family I know where one of the kids is 0:59:57.400 --> 1:00:01.800 not performing up to the grandparents expect and the grandparents. 1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:03.600 Continually ask the kid, so, what are you doing with 1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:03.960 your life? 1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:05.840 Why aren't you doing anything different? Why aren't you doing 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:06.320 this or that? 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.479 And the kid tries, well young adult not. 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:11.600 Kids, tries to say, look, you know. 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:13.000 I don't want to talk about this. I don't want 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:14.360 to talk about this. I don't want to talk about this, 1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:18.720 and they just don't listen. They keep hounding. So you 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:22.080 can try not to attend every drama you're invited to, 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:24.800 but sometimes people will continue. 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:24.960 To hound you. 1:00:25.280 --> 1:00:27.600 So in that instance, it can be really good. 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:29.720 To have an ally on your side and have a 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.320 look or a signal or a code word that says, hey, 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:34.680 come in and rescue me. And have that person come 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:37.160 in and redirect the conversation or pull you away to 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:39.600 help in the kitchen, or take you outside for a 1:00:39.640 --> 1:00:42.600 walk or whatever. Have somebody who can help direct you 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.720 if you're not able to manage the conversation on your own. 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:48.120 Another opportunity there is hire someone like me to come 1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:49.840 to your Thanksgiving and be that guy. I don't know. 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:51.440 Problem is, shut the hell up. Nobody wants to hear 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:52.120 your crab carl. 1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:55.560 You totally could, and you get free food. 1:00:55.280 --> 1:01:02.520 Out of it. So what's your deal that to win 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:03.920 all around everybody? 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:07.160 You are so direct. Everybody wins because you were so directed. 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:08.840 Just say no, I'm not having that conversation. 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:12.400 Leave thee he answer the question quite pressing them. We'll 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:14.160 turn it around on you. You think you should be 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:16.280 so taught and social security right now, I think you're 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:18.040 a little younger. What do you you know, get on 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:22.560 their mouth, you take it out your medication exactly. Let's 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:24.200 jump on you really clear and. 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:26.520 Direct about that, and other people have a hard time 1:01:26.560 --> 1:01:29.480 being that clear and direct, and sometimes people don't stop 1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:32.320 when you tell them to stop. So, you know, being 1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:35.240 able to escape, having a rescue and an exit strategy 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:36.600 can be really helpful for folks. 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:40.120 Yeah, and answer, now, how does the supply when it 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:42.280 comes to let's say coworkers, Because we have time in 1:01:42.280 --> 1:01:43.920 the year we're going to do in holiday parties and 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:47.120 you know there's generally complimentary drinks and beverages, and you 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:51.120 get cornered and that that that's a whole different model 1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:53.760 because you see these people all the time, as opposed 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:56.040 to maybe a certain family member at least once a year. 1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:59.440 Right, right, right, right, So in that case, it can 1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:02.440 be really helpful to have a way of saying that 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:03.880 you disagree. 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:05.120 That isn't your wrong. 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.880 You can say I see it differently, or. 1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:09.640 My experience has not been that. 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:13.560 My experience has been different than that, or in my. 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:16.160 World view, it looks a little different. So you can 1:02:16.280 --> 1:02:19.840 just pivot and say I see it differently. And then again, it. 1:02:19.800 --> 1:02:22.400 Can really be helpful to have those topics of conversation 1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:24.640 to change it to So what are your family doing 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:28.440 for the holidays? Do you celebrate with friends, do you travel, 1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:30.960 what do you do? You can change the topic to 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:35.400 something different really deftly and steer it away. 1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:36.560 And then again, if. 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:39.320 It's coworkers, you can always just excuse yourself, go talk 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:42.840 to somebody else, Go refresh your drink, Go take a 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:47.480 smoke break, even if you actually don't smoke, right, Go 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:49.640 say oh, I see so and so leaving. I need 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.000 to say goodbye to them before they go, oh, there's Joe. 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:53.840 I've been trying to button hole them about this project. 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:55.200 I want to see if I can get ten minutes 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:58.080 next week. You can find a way to remove yourself 1:02:58.840 --> 1:03:02.000 and most people will be pretty gracious about that. Not everybody, 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:03.880 but most people will be pretty gracious about that. 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:06.960 Yeah, all right. And then are some people that just 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.520 don't get the message and they continue. That's a whole 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:10.680 other topic entirely. 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:12.640 Well, there are. 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:14.840 People who don't get the message and they just continue. 1:03:14.920 --> 1:03:16.960 And that's when sometimes you have to get more direct 1:03:17.000 --> 1:03:19.360 and you have to say, look, I'm interested in having 1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:22.160 a good time tonight or spending time with friends and family. 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:24.440 This is not a topic I want to get into. 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:26.840 I really don't want to talk about this right now, 1:03:27.040 --> 1:03:28.640 or I don't want to talk about this with you 1:03:28.760 --> 1:03:30.920 right now, or I don't want to talk about this 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:31.560 ever again. 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:32.560 In the history of ever. 1:03:32.840 --> 1:03:35.000 You can say any of those things and then just 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:39.080 refuse to engage, and you can remove yourself. You can say, look, 1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:41.320 I get that this is important to you, but I 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:43.600 don't want to go here, and you go someplace else 1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:46.280 and you talk to somebody else, or you remove yourself 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:48.680 from the conversation. If you're seated at a table, you 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:50.520 turn to the person to your left, if the person 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:52.800 do your right won't leave you alone, or you engage 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:55.240 the person across the table from you, or you actually 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:58.200 get up and move your seat, so you just stop 1:03:58.280 --> 1:04:01.960 the conversation and focus on something else. And yes, that 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:04.040 could be seen as rude, but if you use it 1:04:04.080 --> 1:04:06.760 as the last resort when the other person won't stop 1:04:06.840 --> 1:04:10.200 bugging you, then they're actually the ones being rude and 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:13.400 you're actually the one being polite and holding a solid boundary. 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:15.439 Yeah, if you can do that, I think most people 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:18.600 just suffer on their minds going God help me, and 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:20.240 you know there's no help to be had at that point. 1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:23.240 You just nod your head and okay, well that's good, okay, 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:26.160 and they just keep going and going. What about going 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:29.000 to a family dinner, a Thanksgiving, Christmas? I'm going to 1:04:29.000 --> 1:04:32.000 applies for all these things where you know that there's 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:33.880 like I don't know somebody's going to bring up bring 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:35.880 up a past grievance, because it happens every year. 1:04:38.840 --> 1:04:42.360 It does absolutely, So first of all, maybe you don't 1:04:42.400 --> 1:04:43.840 need to engage in that conversation. 1:04:43.960 --> 1:04:45.440 Maybe it has nothing to do with you. 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:48.480 Maybe they bring up a past grievance with somebody else 1:04:48.520 --> 1:04:50.880 and you can just mentally check out. If it does 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.200 have something to do with you, you can say, listen, 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:56.760 I will happily discuss this with you, but not hearing now, 1:04:57.040 --> 1:04:59.360 Let's set a time that we can talk about it later. 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:02.360 Or I feel like we've covered this in years past. 1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:04.600 I don't feel like there's any more to say, and 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:07.960 I'm not interested in discussing it with you anymore. And again, 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:09.600 remove yourself from the situation. 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:11.600 It's really about holding. 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.880 Your own personal boundaries, not being the person who brings 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:17.880 up the past grievance and ruins the party, but holding 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:20.960 your own boundaries and having some escape strategies if you 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:21.400 need them. 1:05:21.840 --> 1:05:27.440 Yeah, all right, So we've covered those angles in particular. 1:05:27.960 --> 1:05:31.080 Julie Hatter share a relative to getting together and uncomfortable 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:35.280 conversations at what point, should you just go, Okay, I'm 1:05:35.280 --> 1:05:37.040 out of here. It's always a bad look when you start. 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:39.200 You know, I'm storming off, but it's like, okay, we're leaving. 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:44.800 Well if you are, if you are unable to have 1:05:45.160 --> 1:05:49.520 a useful, worthwhile conversation with anybody at the event, Let's 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.480 say you are the only person who is not believing 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:55.320 a particular way or engaging in a particular conversation, and 1:05:55.400 --> 1:05:58.080 you don't want to. If it starts to get antagonistic, 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:01.120 if you start to feel yourself getting in antagonistic and 1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:03.920 you can't back yourself down into a place of peace 1:06:03.960 --> 1:06:06.680 and calm, If it looks like things are going sideways 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:10.720 and there doesn't seem to be any other avenue to explore, 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:13.680 then you can say, look, I think it's time for 1:06:13.760 --> 1:06:16.000 us to go. This isn't going in a direction that 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:18.000 I want for us or for you. I don't want 1:06:18.000 --> 1:06:19.160 anybody's holiday to be. 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:21.480 Ruined, yours or hours. It's time for us to go. 1:06:21.760 --> 1:06:25.680 And you make your exit, you politely, as politely as 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:27.640 you can. If you're the one who's really worked up, 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:30.480 you politely say I'm stepping out, and you do. We 1:06:30.600 --> 1:06:33.760 hope that's the last resort, But that's also a really 1:06:33.840 --> 1:06:37.080 clear consequence. And actions have consequences. So if you are 1:06:37.120 --> 1:06:39.400 the person who's been trying to say no, I don't 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:40.760 want to know, I don't want to know, I don't 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:44.000 want to and the others aren't listening, then a consequence 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:46.080 of that is you remove yourself and they don't get 1:06:46.120 --> 1:06:47.600 to talk to you anymore. They don't have you at 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:51.440 their party or their dinner. Actions have consequences. Okay, we 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:52.800 hope that that's the last resort. 1:06:53.520 --> 1:06:55.480 What does it say and how do you addrest the 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:57.160 person who simply doesn't get the message you don't want 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:59.440 to have this conversation. If they just continue to pester people, 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:01.200 is it up to the host to throw them out? 1:07:01.600 --> 1:07:03.000 What do you do if it's a relative and. 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:06.800 The relatives I think I think the host should definitely 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:10.440 set some expectations. And the host is the one with 1:07:11.240 --> 1:07:12.440 a certain kind of power. 1:07:12.480 --> 1:07:14.200 I'm not saying all the power, because. 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:17.240 Families are power dynamic, interesting, but the host has a 1:07:17.240 --> 1:07:19.280 certain kind of power because you are at their home 1:07:19.760 --> 1:07:22.520 and the host can say, hey, listen, look, Aunt, Susie, 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:26.200 Uncle Joe, no politics tonight, please, I've asked you, I'm 1:07:26.200 --> 1:07:28.400 going to remind you please no politics tonight. You're making 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:33.240 making people uncomfortable, and the host can then ask those 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:36.600 offending parties if they're not paying attention to leave. That 1:07:36.600 --> 1:07:38.600 would be a really big thing to do, though, I 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:40.920 mean that would take a lot of That would take 1:07:40.920 --> 1:07:44.120 a lot of gumption on somebody's part to ask folks. 1:07:44.880 --> 1:07:48.200 But a church bells? Are you kidding me? That'd be 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:49.640 awesome exactly. 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:53.720 But if they're being that disruptive to everybody else's holiday 1:07:54.280 --> 1:07:57.320 and there's nothing that anybody can think or figure out 1:07:57.400 --> 1:08:00.000 to do to back them down and to make that better, 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:03.000 it is an option. I would say it's the last 1:08:03.040 --> 1:08:06.240 resort option, but it is an option available to say, look, 1:08:06.440 --> 1:08:08.080 I'm sorry, you're gonna have to ask you to leave 1:08:08.160 --> 1:08:09.560 because everybody. 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:11.520 Else is trying to enjoy themselves when you're making it impossible. 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:13.640 That's a job for you, a holiday bouncer. How about that? 1:08:16.360 --> 1:08:20.719 You you should hire yourself out to be the truth teller, 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:26.160 the stopper of all awkward conversations, and the enforcer the muscle. 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:28.760 If things go sideways. 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:30.439 And you get free food and you get paid for. 1:08:30.400 --> 1:08:32.080 It, and all you do is miss a holiday with 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:32.719 your own family. 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:35.120 You shut up here and this pie is horrible, by 1:08:35.160 --> 1:08:37.840 the way. Oh yeah, this is what a business model 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:41.240 right there, Just for a good food critic, right right, right, roll. 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.120 Keep in mind that's smoking kills, but it also can 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:46.880 get you out of uncomfortable situations during the holidays. Just 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:47.599 something enough. 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.479 Absolutely, you can also pretend to take a call. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:51.400 You don't have to smoke. 1:08:51.439 --> 1:08:53.200 You can also pretend to take a call and move 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:54.400 to a different room. 1:08:53.920 --> 1:08:57.599 You know, my stocking a carton of Marlborough's. She's Julie 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:00.599 hattersh heare licensed metal health expert at that be Connected 1:09:00.640 --> 1:09:02.960 dot care. Hey, Juliet be Connected dot care. She jumps 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:05.439 in every Monday morning and mental health Monday here on 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:07.360 the Scott Sloan Show. We'll talk again next week. Have 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:10.840 a wonderful holiday. Okay, thanks you, I appreciate you. We 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:13.080 got to time out in and when a return to 1:09:13.120 --> 1:09:15.360 the show. We have all sorts of stuff, believe it 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:17.880 or not, happened in Washington. We have the Supreme Court 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:21.120 on terrafs for this matter. It looks like in some 1:09:21.160 --> 1:09:22.920 of these things go okay, well, what's the point of 1:09:22.960 --> 1:09:25.479 the Supreme Court going to wind up ruling that terrifs 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:27.680 are illegal and what are the consequences of that too 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:30.760 as we head in the holiday shopping season here too, 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:32.400 when we're paying a little bit more for everything. It's 1:09:32.400 --> 1:09:34.959 all in play in the Scott's Loan Show seven hundred WWD. 1:09:35.040 --> 1:09:36.240 Since now do you want to. 1:09:36.200 --> 1:09:37.919 Be an American idiot? 1:09:38.680 --> 1:09:42.400 Sloaney back on seven hundred WLW. It is the International 1:09:42.439 --> 1:09:48.360 Emergency Economic Powers Act, the old i e EPA boring 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:51.840 but important. It's normal reserved for national security crisises to 1:09:52.000 --> 1:09:54.920 impose widespread tariffs, and of course this has let a 1:09:54.960 --> 1:09:59.160 constitutional showdown a fire. Some ninety billion dollars has been 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:01.479 collected under the t AFS under Trump and China. Of 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:04.160 course they're easing their measures, so in that case it 1:10:04.200 --> 1:10:06.680 looks like it might be working. But it's before the 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:08.920 Serame Court as we speak, and it could reshape how 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:11.600 future presidents are able to use that power. On the 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:14.000 show this morning, Kyle Moran, he's a political analyst and 1:10:14.439 --> 1:10:17.760 at Young Voices he's senior contributed there. Welcome, how are you. 1:10:19.040 --> 1:10:19.400 I'm good? 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:20.400 Thank you for having me. 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:23.240 Yeah, I appreciate it. So the big issue here as 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:25.599 we debate tariffs and if they're effective or not. Is 1:10:25.640 --> 1:10:29.720 that the President invoked the Powers Act and designed for 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:33.320 a national security crisis like wars or terrorism or seizing 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:37.439 assets things like that to impose Trey teffs on China. 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:40.760 Is this a misuse of emergency powers? Because that's what 1:10:40.840 --> 1:10:42.439 the High Court is going to decide here. 1:10:43.560 --> 1:10:47.720 Yeah, it basically is guaranteed to be some sort of 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:51.559 abuse of overreach in terms of the emergency powers granted 1:10:51.560 --> 1:10:55.599 to him through that Act, because from day one when 1:10:55.640 --> 1:11:00.840 he rolled these out, he was already exempting very specific 1:11:00.960 --> 1:11:05.759 industries that are economically important because he knows the impact 1:11:05.840 --> 1:11:08.680 that tariff would have on those would be detrimental to 1:11:08.800 --> 1:11:12.760 the United States. But critically, this shows that it's not 1:11:12.880 --> 1:11:18.680 based on national security. When he's exempting copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, 1:11:19.000 --> 1:11:23.240 all these other types of materials from the tariffs, then 1:11:23.920 --> 1:11:26.320 what is it? What is he even tariffing a lot 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:30.680 of the needs a lot less important goods that we're importing. 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:34.439 So therefore it's not based on national security, which he 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:38.240 himself has sort of admitted very at various times. He 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:40.760 has gone on record as saying it's going to be 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:44.240 used to pay down the national debt to do now 1:11:44.280 --> 1:11:47.919 to do these stimulus checks as a source of revenue 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:50.479 rather than as a national security concern. 1:11:51.160 --> 1:11:54.439 Yeah, and that is a concern too, is purely a 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:57.519 revenue standpoint, And so far we've had some indication that 1:11:57.600 --> 1:12:01.280 the conservative justice are even pushing back on that. Amy 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:05.400 Cony Barrett and Justice Chief Justice Rod John Roberts said 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.560 that the vehicle is in position of taxes on Americans 1:12:08.640 --> 1:12:10.640 and that has always been a core power of Congress. 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:14.479 Those early indicators certainly don't indicate how they're going to vote, 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:16.320 because there's been times that I've thrown that out there. 1:12:16.360 --> 1:12:19.519 They're challenging it. But that if you're looking at the 1:12:19.560 --> 1:12:21.120 tea lives here, it doesn't bode well for this. 1:12:22.640 --> 1:12:25.679 No, it doesn't because like I was, like I said, 1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:29.240 so much of this has not even been like the 1:12:29.320 --> 1:12:34.519 opposition criticizing the administration, but the administration undermining its own position. 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:38.880 So it really does. It does get into some tricky 1:12:38.960 --> 1:12:43.559 legal battles for the administration to keep the standing. But 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:45.800 I do have to I do have to step back 1:12:45.840 --> 1:12:49.799 and think these powers were passed to be very limited 1:12:49.800 --> 1:12:54.080 in times of in times of actual concerns to national security. 1:12:54.680 --> 1:12:58.040 We have reached a point where Congress has seeded so 1:12:58.360 --> 1:13:03.240 much power to the executive. The point of passing that 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:08.439 Act in nineteen seventy seven was never to institute broad 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:12.519 sweeping powers for the executives to just simply impose and 1:13:12.600 --> 1:13:16.680 pull off and impose more tires, willy nilly. That was 1:13:16.720 --> 1:13:18.920 not what it was for. It's not what it's for now. 1:13:20.000 --> 1:13:24.679 And the country is not designed to be run by 1:13:24.920 --> 1:13:29.519 somebody who has essentially more and more unlimited power for 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:31.839 four years before an election. 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:36.040 If the Supreme Court rules against these terroriffts does that, 1:13:36.160 --> 1:13:40.080 then call them the re examination of the executive order 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:41.800 power of the part of the presidency and executive. I 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:44.200 mean we saw Biden and the autopen do it with impunity, 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:46.639 and Trump said, well, here, hold my diet coke, watch 1:13:46.760 --> 1:13:49.400 me make a bunch of executive orders. In Congress has 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:52.639 absolutely no. They're feckless, right, I mean, you can shut 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:55.559 the government down for forty something days over god knows what. 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:58.800 They can't really pass any income to conclusion, other than 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:02.920 releasing the Epstein files because it covers their asses. But 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:05.920 does this change that? How we how we maybe that 1:14:06.040 --> 1:14:08.080 the Congress actually is forced to do their job. 1:14:09.920 --> 1:14:13.640 I'm not optimistic on that it will limit the executive 1:14:13.680 --> 1:14:16.400 in terms of being able to do this on again, 1:14:16.439 --> 1:14:20.320 off again charade, which has reached incredible levels where it's 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:23.120 literally back in April and May, it was every day 1:14:23.520 --> 1:14:27.160 you would open the news new tariff, and then one 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:29.240 of those tariffs was canceled, and then the next day 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:33.160 more tariffs. So that type of stuff would be much 1:14:33.200 --> 1:14:36.759 harder for future executives. But to your point about Biden, 1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:41.200 with the autopen and all these things, Congress has essentially feeded, 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:43.519 like I said, so much of its own power to 1:14:43.640 --> 1:14:47.519 the executive on a broad range of issues. The Supreme 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:51.280 Court doesn't have the ability to step in and say 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:54.720 Congress needs to do this. It can say that the 1:14:54.800 --> 1:14:58.479 president doesn't have the ability himself to do it, but 1:14:58.600 --> 1:15:01.840 it can't make Congress do its job, and certainly, as 1:15:01.840 --> 1:15:04.360 we are seeing, Congress can't make Congress do its own job. 1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:08.400 So we are in an unfortunate position there and I'm 1:15:08.479 --> 1:15:11.080 not gone through them that will see much of an improvement. 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:14.559 Yeah, well, I think I'm hoping anyway, uh com moran 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.760 that if the if the Supreme Court rolls against him 1:15:17.760 --> 1:15:20.519 with tariffs, which we'll get into the repercussions of that 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:22.920 in a second, but on a bigger scale, and that 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:27.519 is limiting executive office powers and executive branch powers. That 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:29.439 there's a roadblock there, and the other one is going 1:15:29.479 --> 1:15:31.600 to be Venezuela at some point, I imagine you know 1:15:31.680 --> 1:15:33.599 that's going to come to some sort of fruition here 1:15:33.640 --> 1:15:37.000 because we're blowing up ships off the coast of Venezuela, which, yeah, 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:40.960 allegedly drug runners, but we've had numerous studies and the 1:15:41.120 --> 1:15:43.000 like that have been done that says, well, Venezuela is 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:45.320 not a drug problem. Maybe Mexico, and now he's considering 1:15:45.320 --> 1:15:47.920 other countries. So you could kind of like maybe put 1:15:47.920 --> 1:15:49.640 a couple of pillars up there, maybe a couple of 1:15:49.680 --> 1:15:51.720 speed bumps for these guys with a branch down the line. 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:55.320 We'll see what happens. But relative to the ninety billion collected, 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:58.960 that is another big problem there. The of course, the 1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:02.160 money's coming back in, but would there be a refund 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:03.240 and how would that even work? 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:08.160 That is an excellent question because this is something on 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:12.120 this scale that's never been attempted before. So if these 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:15.920 are struck down, there would have to be refunds. But 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:21.080 depending on when this actually happens depending on if the 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:24.479 government has spent this money. Trump is already eyeing using 1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:28.200 those funds for these two thousand dollars stimulus checks, which 1:16:28.200 --> 1:16:30.160 wouldn't even be enough to cover those by the way, 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:35.160 but it would create a very unprecedented situation. We would 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:37.000 have to see exactly how this plays out. But to 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:40.679 answer your question, yes, they would have to be refunded well. 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:43.040 And the other element here is if we have a 1:16:43.360 --> 1:16:45.880 thirty eight trillion dollar deficit, why are we handing out 1:16:45.880 --> 1:16:48.759 two thousand dollars checks exactly? 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:52.439 Which is part of the issue here. Again, we saw 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:58.400 the impact back under the Biden administration, incredibly big spending 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:03.400 and money printing in one which drive inflation up to 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:07.880 nine percent, and we are still feeling the results of that. 1:17:08.000 --> 1:17:12.000 We're still feeling the impact of that for almost five 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:15.720 years on now. So when the inflation goes up like that, 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:20.880 it never comes down again. The inflation rate at which 1:17:21.040 --> 1:17:24.000 prices increase may come down, but the prices that went 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:28.559 up they're just there and you're stuck with that. You 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:31.120 will never see twenty nineteen prices for a lot of 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:35.719 goods again. And that's the unfortunate reality of the money 1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:38.559 system that we have now, where we just print more 1:17:38.600 --> 1:17:41.960 and more, and almost certainly we would have to print 1:17:42.000 --> 1:17:45.040 a considerable amount of money to make these two thousand 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:48.960 dollars checks happen. And then on top of that, Trump 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:52.599 hates the current Federal Reserve charge your own power, who's 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:55.439 not flallaced by any means, but he wants to replace 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:58.479 them with somebody who's going to be even more dubbish 1:17:58.960 --> 1:18:01.400 and turning the money print is back on and just 1:18:01.680 --> 1:18:02.639 print prints. 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:08.840 And you know, as someone who is I guess more 1:18:08.920 --> 1:18:12.519 libertarian than anything, and I just distrust government top to bottom. 1:18:12.560 --> 1:18:15.439 I don care my team, your team. Kind of nonsense. 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:18.519 There's an apocrisy test here. So how many Republicans who 1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:21.960 absolutely celebrate the tariffs in all this and the bombing 1:18:22.000 --> 1:18:24.880 of ships off Venezuela, wouldn't they be outrage of a 1:18:24.880 --> 1:18:26.880 Democratic president of the same. I mean, look at this one. 1:18:26.920 --> 1:18:29.880 We talk about the Affordable Care Act, which is they're right, 1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:34.280 it's subsidy. You're taking taxpayer money to give other people 1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:37.080 a break on their healthcare. Healthcare is too damn expensive. 1:18:37.160 --> 1:18:39.760 Let's do something the lower the cost of healthcare, as 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:42.880 opposed to just giving aid to people and redistributing wealth. 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:45.040 It doesn't work. It's too expensive, it's not a four. 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:47.479 It doesn't make it affordable, it makes it less affordable. 1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:50.880 Subsidy does using that same logic, And I'm right about that. 1:18:51.280 --> 1:18:54.720 Republicans should be talking about what we're doing here with 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:58.240 Trump and be equally outraged that now we're going to 1:18:58.240 --> 1:19:00.160 take money that could go pay off the deficay and 1:19:00.200 --> 1:19:01.840 we're going to give people subsidies. 1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:07.040 Yeah, and to your point, the healthcare situation is something 1:19:07.080 --> 1:19:10.759 the GOP has basically ignored for the last a decade 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:14.720 minimum and at this point it's reaching a breaking point 1:19:14.760 --> 1:19:18.200 where they just can't ignore it anymore. They tried to 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:21.800 appeal and replace Obamacare in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, it 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:26.960 went down in pretty famous ways, and the deal they 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:29.200 wanted to pass is not a great deal to begin with. 1:19:29.600 --> 1:19:32.639 But ever since then, they just haven't tried much of anything. 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:37.040 And the only people talking about healthcare reform now are 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:40.680 the progressive And that's a very dangerous situation because when 1:19:40.720 --> 1:19:44.600 people when people see that their health care costs are skyrocketing, 1:19:44.640 --> 1:19:48.439 which they are, and the only people even talking about 1:19:48.439 --> 1:19:51.599 it are going to be AOC and Bernie Sanders, Like 1:19:51.760 --> 1:19:54.679 that is how you wind up with people like Zar 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:58.360 Mombami is mayor, even though he doesn't have direct control 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:02.160 over health care. People just hear these things from the 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:06.439 left and resonate with it, and not illegitimately either because 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:11.760 they they cannot afford these cramy surge surges in these cranses. 1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:15.559 So the GT really needs to get going on healthcare. 1:20:15.840 --> 1:20:18.800 Yeah, I've said that all along, Kyle is. You know 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.840 the Democrats plan is here's groupon we're going to get 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:25.400 lower cost on your healthcare. We're gonna take something else's 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:27.600 money and give it to you. Okay, that that's not 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:29.439 a plan. That is just a band aid, is what 1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:31.280 that is. It makes things worse, not better in the 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:34.839 long run. Look what the subsidies done to the college industry. 1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.679 You know, college is out of control because the subject 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:39.560 is the same thing. And then I look at the 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:42.240 Republicans and it's been fifteen years. They have no answer 1:20:42.280 --> 1:20:44.840 on this. All I hear is well eat better. Well, 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:48.559 that's okay, eat better, but don't take tayl and all. Okay, 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:52.840 but I've got cancer now and I can't afford it. 1:20:53.240 --> 1:20:55.720 I'm going to take the subsidy. That's that's what we're 1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:56.120 faced with. 1:20:57.120 --> 1:21:00.840 I know, it's it's absolute mannits and the talking points 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:04.400 that they use for some of it is are legitimate. 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:07.040 So when they were talking about not wanting any legal 1:21:07.640 --> 1:21:10.920 immigrants to be on our government subside of healthcare, this 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:14.960 is a legitimate concern. But that is not addressing the 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:19.040 issue that to millions of American suits and are seeing 1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:23.360 their healthcare comps go up more than double, sometimes triple 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:27.200 over the last several years. Myself, I have seen mine 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:30.680 go up more than doubles over the last four years. 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:35.240 So this is unsustainable, and nobody on the right is 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:40.160 even talking about it, let alone at proposing real plans 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:40.439 on it. 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:43.719 Yeah. Yeah, And it was supposed to make America great again, 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:46.640 and I think healthcare is certainly a cornerstone of that, 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:51.520 and to some degree, people like Marjorie Tayler Green are 1:21:51.640 --> 1:21:53.720 accurate on that one too. Let's focus on this kind 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:56.040 of stuff. You've had fifteen years to come up with 1:21:56.080 --> 1:21:58.320 a plan, and there's no plan at this point. It's 1:21:58.400 --> 1:22:01.599 nothing but platitudes, is what I'm getting. He is a commed. 1:22:03.760 --> 1:22:04.320 People on the. 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:06.840 Right have been attacking her over this, and I'm thinking 1:22:06.840 --> 1:22:11.000 to myself, this is this is madness. I find it incredible. 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:13.920 I'm raising Marjorie Taylor Green of all people. But she 1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:17.160 is absolutely right about this, and I respect her toward 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:21.080 her courage and standing up to people who are otherwise 1:22:21.240 --> 1:22:23.720 just burying their head in the stands and depending all 1:22:23.800 --> 1:22:27.240 of well, it's not And I respect the fact that 1:22:27.280 --> 1:22:28.160 she's addressing him. 1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:31.720 He is a common ran political analyst and young voice, 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:34.640 a senior contributor, and talking about tariffs now before the 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:36.960 Supreme Court, and a will decide whether not these are 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:39.400 illegal or not. If it's a no go, we got 1:22:39.439 --> 1:22:42.080 to talk about refunding money to these countries. But you know, 1:22:42.160 --> 1:22:45.000 at the same time, you look at getting China to 1:22:45.040 --> 1:22:46.920 the table to kind of negotiate, look at some of 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:50.280 the deals done with other countries. Would it be tough 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:51.960 for the Supreme Court don do all that. 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:54.280 Well? 1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:58.719 In terms of executive the president negotiating with foreign countries, 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:04.160 he certainly has pretty broad powers there. But the issue 1:23:04.760 --> 1:23:08.960 is that he is currently arguing that the tariffs are 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:12.400 for national security and in no small part using that 1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:15.040 as leverage. But the issue is that he has also 1:23:15.120 --> 1:23:18.120 made so many other statements as well as other people 1:23:18.200 --> 1:23:22.439 in his administration making other statements that directly undermine that argument, 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:26.000 because on one day, the case will be made that 1:23:26.040 --> 1:23:30.360 we need tariff to protect American industry, the next day 1:23:30.400 --> 1:23:33.960 it will be that tariffs are needed as a temporary 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:37.559 measure to get other countries to lower their tariffs on us, 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:40.040 and then the day after that it will be that 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:42.720 we need tariffs to generate revenues that we can pay 1:23:42.720 --> 1:23:47.880 off our debt. So nobody, the administration's position on this 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:52.200 changes on the daily and it's going to be a 1:23:52.400 --> 1:23:57.400 very challenging hill for the administration to climb, given how 1:23:57.479 --> 1:23:58.840 all over the places has been. 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:02.320 Yeah, it's almost like corporate America in a way, is 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:04.120 that you know, we live quarter to quarter. We don't 1:24:04.160 --> 1:24:06.400 care about tomorrow. We just care about the bottom line today, 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:08.800 and we may cut our nose off to spite our face, 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:10.519 but damn it, we got to do that right now. 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:13.000 And it's now that's permeated to politics to agree. If 1:24:13.000 --> 1:24:16.640 you think about it, is if this is allowed, you 1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:18.920 want and you know, Republicans will celebrate this big win 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:20.800 by the Supreme Court and the tariffs can stand. The 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:23.640 present can do that. Okay, great, But one of the 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:26.680 same people will be yelling and angry about this in 1:24:26.720 --> 1:24:29.839 the future next year or five years or eight whenever, 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:31.840 and at some point a Democrat will be back in 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:35.320 charge and maybe they go, hey, you know what, climate 1:24:35.400 --> 1:24:38.080 change is an economic emergency. We're going to impose carbon 1:24:38.120 --> 1:24:40.400 tariffs exactly. 1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:43.240 And that's why, that's why this whole system was set 1:24:43.320 --> 1:24:47.280 up not to be the way we're hurringly experiencing it, 1:24:47.400 --> 1:24:49.759 because we are. If you if you have a country 1:24:49.800 --> 1:24:55.040 in which you have radical changes of of national policy 1:24:55.120 --> 1:24:58.200 every four years, you're going to go through these wild 1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:03.160 whiplashes of of moving to the right for one administration 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:05.800 moving to the left, and the other administration. And this 1:25:05.840 --> 1:25:08.600 will happen to some extent no matter what the system is, 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:11.160 because the executive does have some power. But it was 1:25:11.200 --> 1:25:16.280 never designed to be this wild swing between Biden comes 1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:18.920 into office and because he's president, he can do all 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:22.479 of these far left things and open the border in 1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:25.479 at least ten million illegal immigrants, which nobody voted for. 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:28.680 Nobody voted in twenty twenty to open the border and 1:25:28.720 --> 1:25:31.920 let ten million people into the country. That was not 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:34.759 part of the campaign. It just happened with no input 1:25:34.800 --> 1:25:39.759 from the American electorate, but despite widespread opposition to it, 1:25:39.760 --> 1:25:42.000 it just continued for three and a half years before 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:44.960 he really tried to address them. Then Trump comes in. 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:49.920 Nobody voted. I do not seriously believe that anyone really 1:25:50.040 --> 1:25:54.880 voted for such high tariffs on other countries. People may, 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:57.160 as he did talk about it during a campaign to 1:25:57.280 --> 1:25:59.519 his credit on that, but I really don't think that 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:03.320 this is my bunch of a huge point that people 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:07.280 ended up voting on. So these these massive swings are 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:10.519 just detrimental to the stability of our country. 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:12.639 Yeah, there are checks and balances and we need them 1:26:12.680 --> 1:26:14.880 and this will uh, this definitely will decide. It is 1:26:14.920 --> 1:26:17.000 a huge case before the court. He is a calm 1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:19.840 moran with the young voices. Thanks again, Kyle, great stuff, 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:20.519 appreciate it. 1:26:20.680 --> 1:26:21.880 Thank you very much for having me. 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:24.439 Yeah, I will be interesting to see what the Supreme 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:28.080 Court does. Congress, I'll silent on this one. Just out 1:26:28.080 --> 1:26:30.479 of the show. News updates as we slow it down 1:26:30.479 --> 1:26:33.439 here headed to Thanksgiving Day on Thursday. Short week for 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:36.880 most of us, hopefully you too, and uh, rough weekend 1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:39.280 for sports in Cincinnati unless you are one of the 1:26:39.320 --> 1:26:44.599 team's named Xavier. It sucked largely, we'll do Bengals stuff 1:26:44.600 --> 1:26:47.439 with James Rapine from SI's Bengals Talk dot Com and 1:26:47.479 --> 1:26:49.759 Lockdow Bengals a daily podcast. That's next on the Scott 1:26:49.760 --> 1:26:53.360 Sloan Show seven hundred w WELW. What a horrible weekend 1:26:53.400 --> 1:26:56.240 for since these sports, unless, of course your team had 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:58.080 Xavier and it's name and that was pretty good. But 1:26:58.360 --> 1:27:02.040 you see FC and the Bengals all lost at home, 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:05.759 Bengals getting beat by the Patriots twenty six twenty Bengals 1:27:05.760 --> 1:27:08.400 fall to three and eight. Up next short week, it's 1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:12.680 Thanksgiving Night at Baltimore A twenty on the national stage 1:27:12.880 --> 1:27:15.080 and will we burrow or won't we borrow? We'll find out. 1:27:15.160 --> 1:27:18.040 James Rapine is here from Bengals Talk dot Com and 1:27:18.120 --> 1:27:22.080 the Daily Podcast Locked on Bengals. James, what an interesting 1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:25.240 day yesterday was. You can't help but think that if 1:27:25.280 --> 1:27:27.880 either Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase were in that game, 1:27:28.040 --> 1:27:28.799 Bengals win. 1:27:30.360 --> 1:27:33.920 No doubt, no doubt that the defense did it not 1:27:34.520 --> 1:27:38.280 and they did their job. Now were they perfect? No, 1:27:38.400 --> 1:27:40.360 they weren't perfect. Some of the stuff they did give 1:27:40.439 --> 1:27:44.559 up was ridiculous. Five they had to pick six, They 1:27:44.600 --> 1:27:48.400 had multiple goal line stands where the Patriots have it 1:27:48.520 --> 1:27:52.040 inside the five and don't score on nine plays, and 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:54.960 then on another one you hold them to three at 1:27:54.960 --> 1:27:56.880 the one yard line, you hold them to a field goal. 1:27:57.000 --> 1:28:00.519 So yeah, if you get that kind of effort on defense, 1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:03.600 the way this team is built, with Joe Burrow and 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:07.160 Jamar Chase and t Higgins up until the end, you 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:09.559 expect to win that game. And obviously that they did. 1:28:11.520 --> 1:28:14.679 I think that's clearly a big reason why they lost 1:28:14.680 --> 1:28:15.000 the game. 1:28:15.479 --> 1:28:17.280 Well, we kind of knew Joe Burrow is up in there, 1:28:17.320 --> 1:28:19.040 and you know, you raid the team leaves, and the 1:28:19.040 --> 1:28:21.680 way coach was talking last week seemed to indicate like 1:28:21.720 --> 1:28:23.599 you think Joe Burrow is going to play, And I'm like, well, 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:25.200 you know what, let's rest him. He said he was 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:28.880 sore after practice, So you know, let's focus on the 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:31.320 season's over for all intents and purposes. Anyway, this just 1:28:31.360 --> 1:28:34.000 seals it even more. But let's focus on the Ravens game, 1:28:34.040 --> 1:28:36.080 getting them back and getting them ready. But the big 1:28:36.160 --> 1:28:38.200 one to me was Jamar Chase. And I don't think 1:28:38.200 --> 1:28:40.800 it's lost on anyone that if Jamar starts that game, 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:43.880 probably you got another target, especially with the injuries, Right, 1:28:43.920 --> 1:28:46.840 joshavask goes down, Higgins goes down with the concussion, and 1:28:46.920 --> 1:28:48.920 know Jamar Chase, that's a tough roat to ho even 1:28:48.920 --> 1:28:51.280 with Joe Burrow. But I think if Jim R. Chase 1:28:51.320 --> 1:28:54.160 were back, yeah, probably got a couple more catches, passes, 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.560 first downs, maybe a touchdown. I think the outcome is different. 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:02.040 For sure, and even late, let's just say that everything 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:04.040 happens the same. I think the offense would have been 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:08.759 better early in the game, but late, Zach Terrish probably 1:29:08.880 --> 1:29:11.280 far more likely to go forward on fourth and one 1:29:11.520 --> 1:29:14.439 from his own forty five if Jamar Chase is on 1:29:14.479 --> 1:29:19.040 the field, and he should have went anyway regardless. But 1:29:19.280 --> 1:29:21.719 I do think right, I think Jamar makes an impact. 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:25.639 I think Joe Blacker would have been far more in 1:29:25.760 --> 1:29:30.919 rhythm early because he wasn't. And that's the difference, especially 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:33.439 going up against a Patriots team that has won eighth 1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:35.519 straight coming in and now nine straight. 1:29:35.640 --> 1:29:38.559 Yeah, the Bengals offense didn't score a TD for almost 1:29:38.560 --> 1:29:41.800 an hour against the Patriots, but they weren't blown out. 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:44.840 You know, it's a competitive loss, but you know, the 1:29:45.240 --> 1:29:49.960 whole moral victory thing is it's a waste because you know, 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:53.320 does it actually help the team move forward or is 1:29:53.360 --> 1:29:55.719 it just masking problems that won't be addressed. 1:29:57.040 --> 1:30:00.479 Yeah, I mean I think the moral vic reads are 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:02.600 They're not a young team, they're not an up and 1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:04.800 coming team. They're a team that was supposed. 1:30:04.400 --> 1:30:05.240 To win this year. 1:30:06.000 --> 1:30:09.759 And so even on defense, right, there's there's no moral victories. 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:14.479 Their linebackers were awful yesterday. They could not guard sountor 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:18.519 Henry and in some pretty obvious moments had some breakdowns. Now, 1:30:18.680 --> 1:30:20.719 I do think they played much better had the defense 1:30:20.760 --> 1:30:23.840 showed up against the Jets, while they win by three scores, 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:26.840 had that defense showed up against the Bears, I think 1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:29.800 they win that game. Right that there are reasons to 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:33.080 buy into all. Well, maybe what Al Golden is teaching 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:37.320 is working for everyone but the rookie linebackers, who again 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:38.479 I think struggled mightily. 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:41.160 Feels like Geno Stone has that one good game of 1:30:41.240 --> 1:30:47.360 year one big seven tackles, has a pick six pass 1:30:47.439 --> 1:30:50.479 the defender, he had what the tackle one fourth and 1:30:50.520 --> 1:30:52.600 goal from the one yard line. He was great. 1:30:53.160 --> 1:30:55.960 He was he was great, and he deserves a ton 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:58.760 of credit because he he played well. He heard it, 1:30:59.240 --> 1:31:01.720 he heard all the crem and I probably led the 1:31:01.800 --> 1:31:04.840 charge when it came to Geno stilling criticism and I 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.040 and I'm fine with that. And guess what I want 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:11.599 players like that that are struggling, that's how they should respond. 1:31:12.400 --> 1:31:14.400 They should respond. And I don't mean tick six. You 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:16.719 can't really control that. Drake made through it right, the Genie. 1:31:16.720 --> 1:31:19.880 Really like the return through it right, the Geno. But 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:23.519 on the very first player, second play from scrimmage, I 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:27.479 noticed Geno soon his effort level in intensity, and it 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:30.479 was its fuilt different than what I had seen, watched 1:31:30.479 --> 1:31:33.000 every staff of them all year, different than what I 1:31:33.000 --> 1:31:36.719 had seen this year. And whatever that was, that needs 1:31:36.720 --> 1:31:39.519 to be what he plays with every week. And that's 1:31:39.520 --> 1:31:42.320 what I would tell him if I'm the Bengals coaching staff. 1:31:42.320 --> 1:31:45.679 But whatever pissed him off or made him mad or 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:49.240 whatever he played with maybe, and maybe it is just 1:31:49.280 --> 1:31:50.160 reading my criticize. 1:31:50.360 --> 1:31:50.760 Who knows. 1:31:50.960 --> 1:31:51.519 I'm just kidding. 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:53.800 It's not me like a lot is absolutely you, James. 1:31:53.880 --> 1:31:56.240 They all listen to what you have to say. Your weight, carry, 1:31:56.479 --> 1:31:59.280 your mouth carries enough way to break an ordinary man's jaw, 1:31:59.280 --> 1:31:59.920 offer cry out. 1:32:00.840 --> 1:32:04.320 But but whatever it is, keep doing it, because I 1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:08.640 did notice really from the first and intensely difference with 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:11.040 Gino's Stone, and that's how you should play on defense, 1:32:11.320 --> 1:32:12.920 especially a defense that's been back. 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:16.320 James Rapen from Bengals Talk dot Com Lockdown Bengals. The 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:19.640 Bengals lost there three and eight. Right now, Pittsburgh Baltimore 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:22.080 up next on Thanksgiving Night. Let's go back and do 1:32:22.120 --> 1:32:24.960 Pittsburgh again. Uh place, Because we're talking about Geno Stone. 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:28.519 He was really bad against Pittsburgh, but he flashed yesterday, 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:32.280 that's for sure. Zach Tedter says that the Bengals haven't 1:32:32.320 --> 1:32:34.920 lost a game because of Joe Flacco yet he's now 1:32:34.960 --> 1:32:38.280 throwing pick sixes in consecutive weeks. His passer rating was 1:32:38.320 --> 1:32:43.160 just to tick over sixty three. At what point do 1:32:43.160 --> 1:32:45.479 you look at this and go, it's just it's untenable. 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:48.599 There's a reason why, Zach, there's a reason why Joe 1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:50.040 Flacco is a backup. This is it. 1:32:51.920 --> 1:32:55.000 Yeah, for sure, he's come back down to earth, and 1:32:55.720 --> 1:32:57.439 I do think help is a part of it. He 1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:00.680 told me he was healthy after the game, and I 1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:04.760 think that's that's relative right. A forty year old quarterback 1:33:04.840 --> 1:33:09.000 that's dealing with a throwing shoulder injury and now a 1:33:09.000 --> 1:33:11.840 finger injury. But I do think he'll be active. I 1:33:11.840 --> 1:33:16.960 do think he's been good enough to be Like when 1:33:17.040 --> 1:33:19.800 they traded for him, as you just said, this, you're 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:22.160 going to get I think everybody in the building, I 1:33:22.200 --> 1:33:24.280 think we I think we would have all signed up 1:33:24.320 --> 1:33:27.680 for it. And the downside is is that when he 1:33:27.840 --> 1:33:30.920 was playing that elite level of football for a few 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:34.400 games and they were humming on offense and in a rhythm, 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:40.360 he did not. He did not the defense needed to 1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:43.240 back him up and to get a couple more wins. 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:45.680 He only is one win as a Bengals quarterback. That 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:47.639 shouldn't be the case. He shouldn't be one in five. 1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:51.479 He should probably be three and three. And that's not 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:53.839 the case. And that's unfortunate. And that's why the Bengals 1:33:53.880 --> 1:33:57.320 are never going to have a real discussion about the 1:33:57.320 --> 1:33:58.160 playoffs this year. 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:01.320 Could they have started Joe Burrow? 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:08.639 I would I would have and I said that Saturday. 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.960 This isn't my on sight. I get the frustration. Look, 1:34:12.000 --> 1:34:13.880 if you're bringing Joe Burrow back at all this week, 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:17.960 and I fully expect that to be the case, why 1:34:18.000 --> 1:34:21.479 not bring him back when it's their three seven when 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:23.679 they have an actual chance to go three and seven 1:34:23.720 --> 1:34:25.720 to five and seven in a five day stretch to 1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:28.920 get back into the playoff mix, and they would. If 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:31.680 they were five and seven, I would consider them back 1:34:31.720 --> 1:34:34.639 in the playoffs night, except for everything that had happened. Obviously, 1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:36.560 they would still need to win a bunch of games. 1:34:36.920 --> 1:34:39.320 I get it, But that's what I would have done. 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:41.360 I said, if I'm bringing Joe Burrow back in what 1:34:41.400 --> 1:34:43.559 feels like a meaningless season, I wouldn't give him every 1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:48.240 opportunity to have a chance at making a run at it, 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:50.800 even if it's improbable. And there are going to be 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:52.439 people that say, well what if he wasn't ready and 1:34:52.439 --> 1:34:55.960 all of those things. Well, the difference between playing Sunday 1:34:56.000 --> 1:34:59.160 and Thursday, there's not much of one outside of a 1:34:59.160 --> 1:35:01.360 few days rest, and obviously have a short week. I 1:35:01.400 --> 1:35:04.160 get that. I get that, the concern of playing on 1:35:04.200 --> 1:35:07.040 a short week. I also think that after a couple 1:35:07.120 --> 1:35:11.160 of full practices last week, Burrough would have been good 1:35:11.160 --> 1:35:13.439 to go, or good enough to go to play. And 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:15.599 if you're doing that, give him a chance, because now 1:35:16.240 --> 1:35:18.559 I wouldn't personally, I wouldn't play in Thursday. 1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:19.439 Would you playing Thursday? 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:21.479 I wouldn't. What does that do? That just puts him 1:35:21.479 --> 1:35:23.840 on the road in Baltimore, exposed against the division rival, 1:35:24.439 --> 1:35:27.360 who knows what's going to happen. That's that's how I 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:27.920 looked at It. 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:30.240 Feels like, I mean, you know, okay, so you don't 1:35:30.240 --> 1:35:31.960 win out the rest of the season. They're already selling 1:35:32.000 --> 1:35:34.559 tickets at twenty percent off every long game. Now make it, 1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:37.360 make it half off Bogo, some sort of Bengals Bogo 1:35:37.439 --> 1:35:39.760 deal for the rest of the season. I don't get 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:44.000 why you would put your quarterback, especially Joe Burrow, the 1:35:44.200 --> 1:35:47.120 entire operations built around him. You're going to need him 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:49.320 healthy in the off season to work and then get 1:35:49.360 --> 1:35:51.799 ready for hopefully a better twenty twenty six, a playoff 1:35:51.840 --> 1:35:54.320 twenty twenty six, because let's face it, you know the 1:35:54.320 --> 1:35:58.240 windows shrinking every single year. It doesn't seem prudent to 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:00.759 put the guy on the field. Why does need the rep. 1:36:02.600 --> 1:36:07.639 Yeah, I I think he wants to play, right, So 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:12.479 that's it. And look going into last week when he 1:36:12.520 --> 1:36:14.800 was really starting to make his push and I could 1:36:14.880 --> 1:36:17.559 get the sense that he was going to push to 1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:21.879 play and play this week, I said, all right, Bengals, 1:36:21.920 --> 1:36:25.120 do one or the other pick away either say hey, 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:28.960 you're not going to play and don't play him, which 1:36:29.000 --> 1:36:32.800 means moving forward, don't playing Thursday. Maybe you give him 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:34.560 a full week of practice ahead a buffle if you 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:37.120 really play, but he's not going to get one real 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:39.080 practice this week and then he's going to go play 1:36:39.120 --> 1:36:42.080 Baltimore because it's such a short week. I mean, that's 1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:44.599 a that's a really big downside to me in my mind, 1:36:45.360 --> 1:36:47.960 especially in the gamement. What are you going to get 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:52.240 to four and eight? You know that's and so that 1:36:52.400 --> 1:36:55.439 to me, there's enough risk involved there where I would 1:36:55.439 --> 1:36:59.040 be super cautious and pull him completely back or go 1:36:59.160 --> 1:37:01.160 the other way and say, hey, you know what, we 1:37:01.200 --> 1:37:03.840 have a shot at this. Joe feels good enough, he 1:37:03.920 --> 1:37:06.600 wants to play, let's go play, and let's try to 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:09.559 get back in this thing. And they kind of the 1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:12.280 answer for them was in the middle. And I hate 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:14.080 the middle. You'd never want to be in the middle. 1:37:15.120 --> 1:37:17.519 In the middle is usually the wrong place to be. 1:37:17.520 --> 1:37:18.800 And I think that's where they're going to end up, 1:37:18.800 --> 1:37:20.880 because they'll end up with, you know, five or six 1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:22.840 wins with Joe Burrow playing dumb straight. 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:26.400 And it's how developed down the receiver. So Jamar Chase 1:37:26.400 --> 1:37:28.879 out with the suspension. He'll be back for Thursday night football. 1:37:28.880 --> 1:37:32.040 Now t Higgins isn't the concussion protocol. He didn't look 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:34.639 good on the sideline when he was sitting on the cart. 1:37:35.520 --> 1:37:37.000 I'd be shocked if we were a bit back. I 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:39.639 don't know. Jose Vask got hurt. That doesn't look good. 1:37:39.960 --> 1:37:41.200 How good was Mitchell Tinsley? 1:37:41.200 --> 1:37:41.400 Though? 1:37:41.800 --> 1:37:45.360 Good, really good? And Mitch Tinsley is like he's a 1:37:45.400 --> 1:37:47.880 real guy. He needs to get more reps. I think 1:37:47.920 --> 1:37:50.240 that's what we learned yesterday. I know he splashed down 1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:53.599 the class in the preseason last earlier this year, I'm 1:37:53.920 --> 1:37:57.080 I'm of the belief now after what he did game 1:37:57.120 --> 1:37:59.519 on the line, no one had really made a play. 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:03.200 He made plays. You need Mitch Tinsley to get more reps, 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:05.439 and I hope he gives them. I really do, because 1:38:05.479 --> 1:38:10.960 he's he's kind of a matter of fact, no nonsense, 1:38:11.120 --> 1:38:13.840 work really hard, do what it will with's asked, and 1:38:13.840 --> 1:38:15.920 when you do throw the ball his way, he's going 1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:19.080 to do everything. He can't get it. Like I just 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:22.600 described the receiver, you want every single receiver to be. 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:25.519 Whether his attitude is pulling this to block all of 1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:28.800 those things. So, yeah, Mitch Tinsley, I would expect him 1:38:28.840 --> 1:38:32.240 to be part of that Joe Burrow target share on 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:33.679 Thursday at Baltimore. 1:38:33.920 --> 1:38:37.080 Well, sure as hell, isn't Jermaine Burton an active twelfth 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:40.599 consecutive game. You thought they'd elevate you. Is he done 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:42.639 in Cincinnati? And if so, what does that say about 1:38:42.640 --> 1:38:46.519 how the team evaluates how they draft, because that's really 1:38:46.560 --> 1:38:48.439 the issue here were specially when it comes to the defense. 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:52.800 Oh, it ps me he's done. It tells me he's done. 1:38:52.800 --> 1:38:56.320 If you can't get on the field and your team 1:38:56.439 --> 1:39:00.599 is longing to roll with four wide receivers active over 1:39:00.800 --> 1:39:06.960 activating you, it certainly tells me he's done. And they wished, 1:39:07.240 --> 1:39:09.600 they wished gay time on this pick. Maybe maybe he 1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:13.040 catches on somewhere else and it worked. Clearly it hasn't 1:39:13.080 --> 1:39:13.639 worked here. 1:39:14.120 --> 1:39:17.040 James E. Bengals defense has been battered all season. Last 1:39:17.040 --> 1:39:18.960 couple of games are starting to put it together, and 1:39:18.960 --> 1:39:21.479 you got to give credit recordits down linebackers, different story, 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:24.400 but man at run defense was pretty good yesterday. It 1:39:24.400 --> 1:39:26.560 wasn't bad, right, unbelievable. 1:39:26.800 --> 1:39:29.840 I'm unbelievable to say that the run defense was all right, 1:39:29.880 --> 1:39:32.400 how about that? Where where was this a month ago? 1:39:32.479 --> 1:39:37.040 When dancing on the grade and that's what was happening. 1:39:37.080 --> 1:39:37.720 We just didn't know what. 1:39:37.720 --> 1:39:40.960 It's crazy, right, it's crazy. It's crazy how the script 1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:43.200 flip too, because the defense and now now the offense 1:39:43.280 --> 1:39:43.719 is the problem. 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:49.160 Got so offensive scored twenty five points in the last 1:39:49.160 --> 1:39:52.200 two games. You think about it, they had yesterday they 1:39:52.200 --> 1:39:55.760 had thirteen on offense and uh in last week when 1:39:55.800 --> 1:39:57.880 they had twelve against the Steelers. I mean they just 1:39:59.760 --> 1:40:01.599 for all all the people that said the offense wasn't 1:40:01.640 --> 1:40:04.920 the problem we had nowadays you know it's Uh, it's 1:40:04.960 --> 1:40:08.559 just this never ending circle of a season where it's 1:40:08.720 --> 1:40:11.160 offense is at an issue than it is then it's not. 1:40:11.560 --> 1:40:13.720 Now it's the defense. Now the defense is better, but 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:14.639 the offense isn't. 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:16.160 I don't know how that happened. 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:18.759 I don't know a wheel and tell me what happens 1:40:18.760 --> 1:40:19.200 on Thursday. 1:40:19.240 --> 1:40:22.240 And the defensive player's probably given Jamar side Jamar Chase 1:40:22.760 --> 1:40:25.160 side eye right now for his comments like taking shots 1:40:25.160 --> 1:40:26.840 at the defense, and it's like, okay, were you a 1:40:26.880 --> 1:40:28.120 big boy? 1:40:28.680 --> 1:40:32.080 Yeah? Wow, yeah, I mean that's something else. It really 1:40:32.680 --> 1:40:38.320 it's forth mooting the jamar Fitgate loss of him in 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:39.720 that potentially costing. 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:41.320 Them that game. I would agree. I'd agree that's going 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:43.080 to hang over his head and hopefully, you know, you'll 1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:44.439 learn from it. And I hate to say that because 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:46.800 it sounds so cliche, but he seems like the guy 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:49.479 that that would take that to heart and go kay 1:40:49.520 --> 1:40:52.320 can be unlike Jermaine Burton, different story. I'm not expecting 1:40:52.400 --> 1:40:54.960 much Thursday night changed. I'm not expecting much even if 1:40:55.000 --> 1:40:55.880 Joe Burrow does start. 1:40:56.960 --> 1:41:01.800 Man, Yeah, it's so tough because I I think I'll 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:04.200 just called Joe Burrow in high regard, and I think 1:41:04.200 --> 1:41:07.000 there's some that you necessarily, but I think there's some 1:41:07.200 --> 1:41:10.599 people that had forgot what he means and how important 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:13.800 he is, and so like, am I going to count 1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:15.480 Joe Burrow out in Baltimore? 1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:15.600 Like? 1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:17.920 Hell no? But that that's also why I would have 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:20.640 played him against the Patriots. I would have said, hey, Joe, 1:41:20.680 --> 1:41:22.599 it's a tall task. We're willing to do this if 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:24.479 you are, and he would have said, hell yeah, I'm 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:26.840 willing to do this five days to try to stay 1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:28.479 of our season and get us to five and seven. 1:41:28.520 --> 1:41:32.240 And you know, I think He's going to have that 1:41:32.320 --> 1:41:35.759 team fired up. They will be fired up. The problem 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:37.599 is a Baltimore needs that game too. 1:41:37.800 --> 1:41:40.519 Yeah, and Lamar's back too. That's the big one. Lamar's 1:41:40.560 --> 1:41:42.160 back and he's you know what he can do. So 1:41:42.520 --> 1:41:45.400 James Rapine over at Bengals Talk dot Com and the 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:48.479 Lockdown Bengals Only Daily Bengals podcast, James, all the best, 1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:50.960 All right, have a great holiday. I know you're on 1:41:51.000 --> 1:41:52.880 the road for this one, and we'll catch up in 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:53.840 a couple of weeks. 1:41:54.680 --> 1:41:56.840 You don't trust the Bengals lining actors against Lamar? 1:42:00.760 --> 1:42:03.080 Well, I didn't see them, you know, that close against 1:42:03.080 --> 1:42:04.200 New England. So what do we know? 1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:04.479 You know? 1:42:04.520 --> 1:42:06.719 I mean, it's the high flying New England Patriots. Drake 1:42:06.760 --> 1:42:09.160 May looked, it looked like Joe Flacco for most of 1:42:09.200 --> 1:42:11.519 the first half of the entirety of the first quarter. 1:42:11.600 --> 1:42:12.960 So who the hell know is what's going to happen? 1:42:13.040 --> 1:42:14.520 All the best, buddy, Appreciate. 1:42:14.200 --> 1:42:16.160 You, Thank God, appreciate you. 1:42:16.200 --> 1:42:18.360 All Right, there you go, I've got a holiday weekend 1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:23.200 coming up and got Thursday night football, Bengals. Have some turkey, 1:42:23.800 --> 1:42:26.360 have some more turkey. Stuff yourself silly. If the game's terrible, 1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:29.479 have even more turkey, and just fall asleep. That's how 1:42:29.479 --> 1:42:31.479 it works. Willie is on the way next on the 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:33.519 home of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred w W 1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:34.080 since now