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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

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Speaker 2: Back at it? The Scott Flung Show on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Short week for the holiday, of course, coming off an

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Speaker 2: awful weekend for sports and since none unless you know

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Speaker 2: it's Saint Xer team Same Xavier for that manner. It

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Speaker 2: was one of the biggest stories of the decade back then,

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Speaker 2: the disappearance and murder of Caitlin Markham. Of course, she

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Speaker 2: vanished from her Fairfield home in August of twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: Two years later, her remains were discovered at a dumb

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Speaker 2: site Indiana, and her fiance, John Carter, was indited for

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Speaker 2: murder just two years ago, so that's a full decade

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Speaker 2: after her disappearance. He pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter and

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Speaker 2: just before trial he received the three year sentence under

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Speaker 2: ohiolaw that's the maximum. Now John Carter wants early release

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Speaker 2: after serving fourteen months of his three year sentence, so

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Speaker 2: just a little over a year on. That is the

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Speaker 2: father of the late Caitlin Markham. Dave Markham on the

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Speaker 2: show on seven hundred WLW. Dave, I'd imagine this news

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Speaker 2: coming out is the context of the holidays coming It's

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Speaker 2: it's got to be hard every year for you. And

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Speaker 2: you know I heard this, I instantly thought of you

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Speaker 2: and the family. Your reaction, I know what mine was,

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Speaker 2: But your reaction when you found out John Carter was

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Speaker 2: seeking early release after serving less than half of a sentence.

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Speaker 2: What what were your thoughts going through your mind at

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Speaker 3: Actually? I just thought, uh, you know, the the audacity

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Speaker 3: have that he doesn't you know, he doesn't deserve the

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Speaker 3: two times three years was not enough as it is,

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, he just seems to be living

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Speaker 3: in his own fantasy world that fourteen months and oh, hey,

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't have to serve time, you know, let me

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Speaker 3: out early. I've been a good boy, and I just

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Speaker 3: don't buy any of it. It's uh, it's very shocking.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's I guess it's expected for him to ask.

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Speaker 3: They all have that, right. It was really hard to swalloough.

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Speaker 2: Well, considering just how dishonesty was. I guess during this

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Speaker 2: whole process, for lack of a better term, fought everything

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Speaker 2: tooth and now and now twelve fourteen months later, he

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Speaker 2: wants out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you said it. He's live from the get go.

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Speaker 3: He lied to the nine to one one callers, and

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Speaker 3: he's been lying ever since. The prosecutor wants, you know,

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Speaker 3: an education, and he wants him to vets up to everything, named, names, places, people,

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Speaker 3: how he did it. I don't see John doing that.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't said one thing honest and truthful the entire

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Speaker 3: fourteen years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Bucher kind of laid it out there, floated

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Speaker 2: the balloon and said, look, if Carter is able to

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Speaker 2: give us the details, because that has been lacking in

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Speaker 2: this whole thing. What happened the night she died? Why

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Speaker 2: do you transport the body where you did put the pieces?

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Speaker 2: Was anyone else involved? For that matter? If he were

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Speaker 2: to give a full account, now, would that change your

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Speaker 2: position on his early.

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Speaker 3: You know maybe, No, I don't think so. He would

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Speaker 3: really really have to come clean and be sincerely honest,

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Speaker 3: and right now I'm just very doubtful that he can

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Speaker 3: be honest. So, you know, I'm kind I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: up in the air. No, don't. I don't want him

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Speaker 3: out early, And like I said, he'd have to really

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Speaker 3: do some convincing to get me to agree to let

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Speaker 3: him out early. And I think that fourteen, fifteen, eighteen

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Speaker 2: It sure isn't you know. The expression getting away with

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Speaker 2: murder is well used, for sure, and this certainly applies

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Speaker 2: here for what he did in his role in not

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Speaker 2: only just murdering Caitlin, but disposing of the body in

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Speaker 2: the most heinous fashion available, and then all the other

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Speaker 2: Serving just three years, let alone fourteen months doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: like it's enough. But at the same time, Dave Markham,

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Speaker 2: would you trade his early release for closure knowing exactly

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Speaker 2: what happened to your daughter back in twenty eleven?

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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned in court that Carter just won't get out

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Speaker 2: from under your skin. What's it like the last decade

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Speaker 2: plus living with this case owner resolved for so long?

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Speaker 2: We first a decade for an indictment and the plea

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just can't seem to get away from it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: We went to court Thursday and I thought I was

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Speaker 3: But then we come up with this and I've got

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Speaker 3: another you know, I've got another court date January ninth.

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Speaker 5: I'll be back there again.

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Speaker 3: It just seems to still just grab hold and uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't ruin my day, but he sure

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Speaker 3: does put some put me through some emotions. Here we

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Speaker 2: Is it especially difficult day of this happening right before

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Speaker 2: the holidays? I mean when were the holidays big and

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Speaker 2: your family with Caitlin and all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously it is. It is poor timing. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: a tough time of year every year, and I you know,

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Speaker 3: I've got this hanging over my head now, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: it will definitely, uh, it'll definitely pull some emotions on Christmas,

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Speaker 3: more so than usual, just knowing that a week later,

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Speaker 3: you know, I'll be back in court trying to get

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Speaker 3: this thing closed, done, wrapped up, but behind me so

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Speaker 3: to speak. Yeah, and if John could come up with

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Speaker 3: of heart, but I'm very very doubtful that he Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a sophie's choice, right. You want him

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Speaker 2: to spend the maximum. At the same time, you also

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Speaker 2: want to know what happened to her, to your daughter,

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Speaker 2: and and at least no and know the whole story,

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Speaker 2: I guess, and that's what's been missing this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine what it's like having his name pop

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Speaker 2: up every so often. Now every time he's up for parole,

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Speaker 2: you're going to go through this same set of emotions again.

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Speaker 2: If you would just give up the ghosts, so to speak,

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Speaker 2: I think it'd be better for you, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, so give it up, be honest, and

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Speaker 3: then I'll deal with it the way I have to.

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Speaker 3: But right now it's you know, it's never ending. There's

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Speaker 3: no there is no closure. It's always always there and

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Speaker 3: John just keeps, you know, rear in his ugly head

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Speaker 3: and here it is again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Dave Markham, dad of Caitlyn Mark, of course, disappeared from

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Speaker 2: her Fairfield home back in twenty eleven. Ten years later

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Speaker 2: find out founder remains, and then, of course John Carter

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Speaker 2: he and fiance indicted murder just two years ago. This

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Speaker 2: has played out since twenty eleven and now he's asking

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Speaker 2: for early release from his three year sentence. And that's

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Speaker 2: why it's only three because of the conditions in which

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Speaker 2: only gets three years and that's the maxim for that charge,

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Speaker 2: far less than a murder conviction would have brought. But

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Speaker 2: in retrospect, with this new information about him wanting out early,

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Speaker 2: looking back, do you have thoughts about the decision, the

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Speaker 2: prosecutor's decision to accept that plea deal before trial.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence and that's

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Speaker 3: what it was in this decision to definitely get you know,

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Speaker 3: his confession, his admission of guilt. That's something it could

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Speaker 3: have gone drastically wrong and him been you know, found acquitted,

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Speaker 3: and I would not have liked that. I would Yes,

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to have seen him spend thirty

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Speaker 3: years behind bars. But now I don't. I don't question

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Speaker 3: the prosecutor's decisions. They've been very fair and honest, and

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Speaker 3: you know that they want him too. They're they're going

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Speaker 3: after him. So yeah, I respect him and in their decisions.

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Speaker 2: You know, when they went and got the search order,

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Speaker 2: the search weren't rather at h at the house of

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Speaker 2: John Carter's mom. There were a dozen items that receives

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Speaker 2: notes on the investigation, Caitlin's papers, some landscaping material that

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Speaker 2: they believe was a material that was taken to use

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Speaker 2: an SD card to drawings poetry about death and killing,

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Speaker 2: and some of those poetry kind of disturbing, uh in

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Speaker 2: a big way. You may recall some of the words

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Speaker 2: used by John Carter they found I think written over

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Speaker 2: the top of like a doorframe. I slit your wrists

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Speaker 2: with the keys to your heart deep down. I love her.

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Speaker 2: You ought to kill her, but I love her. She

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Speaker 2: must die. I can't kill her, Yes you can, No,

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Speaker 2: And all these weird writings that certainly in the kate

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Speaker 2: that he is the guy, and he confessed as such.

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Speaker 2: And now Carter's mother suggests there's information about the case

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Speaker 2: that hasn't been discussed publicly. What do you make of

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Speaker 2: that claim? And is there anything that that would come

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Speaker 3: Well, you know they they've said it before. Her family

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Speaker 3: has ye know that there's her side of the you

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Speaker 3: know John's side of the story, and we don't know everything.

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Speaker 3: And here it is, that's the whole point of where

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Speaker 3: they talk about not hearing the whole story. Well, they're

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Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing too, is you know you

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Speaker 2: got motive too, because the search warrants, I guess. And

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Speaker 2: they interviewed to friend police did and the friend of

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Speaker 2: Caitlin said she was unhappy with Carter's lifestyle, said he

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Speaker 2: was using drugs heavily, he was into pornography, and she's

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Speaker 2: I'm no longer attracted him because he's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: She's going to school, it's going to go make something

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Speaker 2: to Colorado. I believe that that seems to indicate that,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's almost ninety nine times out of one hundred,

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Speaker 2: it's the person closest to you that's responsible. And this

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Speaker 2: case that's absolutely.

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Speaker 3: True, right. I mean, statistics are it's the spouse, the boyfriend,

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Speaker 3: the one closest. And you know, I always kind of

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Speaker 3: felt that Fairfield didn't seem to believe that and go

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Speaker 3: after John, But here we are. You know, statistics again, Yes,

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Speaker 3: there was the person closest to Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if anything, you haven't gotten any honest

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Speaker 2: answers about her disappearance, what happened to Caitlin? And that's

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Speaker 2: going to haunt you forever unless John does the right thing.

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Speaker 2: But there's no indication he's going to do that. If

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Speaker 2: the judge denies her to a recent January and Carter

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Speaker 2: serves his full three years, they'll be out in less

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Speaker 2: than what two years from now? Are you preparing for

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Speaker 2: that reality?

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Speaker 3: No, it is what it is. He's going to be

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Speaker 3: out eventually someday, and I just hope and pray that

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Speaker 3: our paths never crossed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I fire him. I'd probably get out of the

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Speaker 2: state and try to go somewhere else, And just at

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Speaker 2: that point it'll kind of be over for you because

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Speaker 2: you'll never see him again, hopefully. But you know, thirteen

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Speaker 2: years later, the healing process has been affected by the timeline,

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Speaker 2: and and it's dragged out for so long, this whole thing,

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Speaker 2: and now you're back in court to fight against earl

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Speaker 2: the release. What do you want the judge to consider

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Speaker 2: most about this decision he's going to make in January.

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Speaker 3: Well, mostly just that you know John's attitude, he has

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Speaker 3: I'd have to I've got to have to hear exactly

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Speaker 2: Do you believe there was someone else involved with us?

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Speaker 3: I don't think John could have moved the body himself.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he'll name names. I don't know why you'd be

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Speaker 2: Prayers to you brother. I can't imagine what you're going

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Speaker 3: All right, Thanks Scott, and I appreciate your continued support.

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Speaker 2: guess the way I look at it is it doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem to me like either of these things solve the

436
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Speaker 2: real problem, and the problem is why is the restaurant

437
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Speaker 2: charging one hundred dollars for a hamburger in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Neither the certainly not the Democrats plan and the Obamacare

439
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Speaker 2: subsidies answer that question, and neither is this. So what's

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Speaker 2: the difference if I give them money to insurance companies

441
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Speaker 2: or you give me the money and I give them

442
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Speaker 2: to insurance companies. It's the fact. And the other fact

443
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Speaker 2: of the matter is too. What's really not working with

444
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Speaker 2: ACA is the fact that younger people are seeing their

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Speaker 2: premiums or eyes and going, oh, I'm perfectly healthy. I'm

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Speaker 2: in my twenties. Remember this whole scheme was highly dependent

447
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Speaker 2: on younger people getting insurance, and more and more younger people,

448
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Speaker 2: as they get squeezed, are saying, hey, listen, I'm perfectly healthy.

449
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Speaker 2: I'm my twenties, maybe early thirties, whatever, and I'm not

450
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Speaker 2: seeing the signs of living my life the way I

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Speaker 2: live it, or just hereditary or just random illness causing me.

452
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Speaker 2: I just can't justify this. I was talking to someone

453
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Speaker 2: in their late twenties over the weekend said, yeah, I

454
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Speaker 2: was on it for a while, and I just I

455
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Speaker 2: don't see the point because I never go to the doctor,

456
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Speaker 2: but i'm the premiums keep going up. I can't afford

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Speaker 2: it for something I don't use. I'll throw And then

458
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Speaker 2: what that means is God forbid. Something happens and you're sick,

459
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Speaker 2: you show up to the hospital and you have to

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Speaker 2: be treated. By law, it can't turn you away. And

461
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Speaker 2: now who's going to pay that bill? You look at

462
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Speaker 2: it and go, wow, I've got a eighty thousand dollars

463
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Speaker 2: hospital bill and I'm being generous here for something that

464
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Speaker 2: was outside of my controller. Maybe it was and accidents happened,

465
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Speaker 2: I didn't have insurance. They've got to treat me. And

466
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Speaker 2: now I've got a file for bankruptcy or I'm going

467
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Speaker 2: to pay them I don't know, thirty bucks a month

468
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Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. It's just not sustainable.

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Speaker 2: And the more premiums go up, the more people, especially

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Speaker 2: younger people who we need in the system because it's

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Speaker 2: depending done the young feeding the old. They're just fading away,

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Speaker 2: or give me the option go, well, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to pay for this anymore. Remember there's going to be

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Speaker 2: a mandate that everyone had to pay for it, and

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Speaker 2: there's a pushback on that rightly, So you know it's

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Speaker 2: so you know, neither one of these ways. And then

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Speaker 2: with the Republican plan with giving you the money in

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Speaker 2: your own account, great, I can go shop on the market.

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Speaker 2: But I guess if I went to my doctor for

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Speaker 2: a checkup or a dental visit or something, that that's great.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is when something catastrophic happens, if I

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Speaker 2: get sick. I mean, I had a surgery on my foot,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I hit my deductible for the year,

484
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Speaker 2: but you're still talking thousands of dollars. Most people don't

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Speaker 2: have that, and you know you have to have it

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Speaker 2: done because you can't be limping around or you know,

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Speaker 2: break a bone something like that. It's just it's just

488
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Speaker 2: a horrible situation. So you know, the idea here that

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Speaker 2: we're gonna here's our play. Our plan is to do

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Speaker 2: the same thing, only it's going to look different. I

491
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Speaker 2: just don't get what that's going to do for you.

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Speaker 2: Why are the costs so freaking high in the first

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Speaker 2: place is what we have to look at and then

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Speaker 2: address the problem from there. But you're not going to

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Speaker 2: do that in a month. That's for dang. Sure. I

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Speaker 2: love the idea of giving you more direct control over

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Speaker 2: your healthcare spending and removing the insurance company, your medias

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Speaker 2: from the subsidy flow. And yeah, that could increase price

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Speaker 2: transparency and shopping behavior and all those things, and it

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Speaker 2: gets sort of bureaucracy. That's all well and good, but again,

501
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Speaker 2: the structural issue is the fee for service payment models

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Speaker 2: and centivized volume over value. There's the drug prices. Of course,

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Speaker 2: there's negotiating there. We're seeing hospitals because of the model

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Speaker 2: we have here consolidate to reduce competition, and there's no

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Speaker 2: mechanism to control that. Growth is a real problem. It

506
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Speaker 2: just continues to do more of the same, which is

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Speaker 2: redistributing subsidies. It's just more subsidy. It's just kind of

508
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Speaker 2: an old idea. And by the way, I think Medicare

509
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Speaker 2: Part B jumps like almost ten percent. We're seeing employer

510
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Speaker 2: coverage seeing its highest cost increases in the last fifteen

511
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Speaker 2: years ago ours went up. And if you're going to

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Speaker 2: make this truly affordable. You've got to talk about provider pricing,

513
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Speaker 2: you talk about drug cost, administrative costs system, and efficiencies.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't do any of that stuff. And so when

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Speaker 2: I see that there's this quote unquote maga revolt going on.

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Speaker 2: To some degree, we saw what happened with the Epstein

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Speaker 2: file release, where the GOP leaders, other than what one

518
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Speaker 2: one person said, we're gonna want the we want all

519
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Speaker 2: this release, Trump had no choice to go, Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: release these records. We saw what happened with Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 2: Green over the weekend on Friday announcing her resignation effective

522
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Speaker 2: first of the year. Now, granted she does that right

523
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Speaker 2: after her her pension kicks in, which is pretty good

524
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Speaker 2: score for her and fireing that line of work. I'd

525
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Speaker 2: probably do the same thing. But again, we're back to

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Speaker 2: making America great again, and none of this is doing that.

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Speaker 2: So she has legitimate beef, especially with someone she supported

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Speaker 2: with her own time and effort out on the campaign

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Speaker 2: trail for two terms, banging the drum for Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: and then the minute she's at the Epstein thing and

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Speaker 2: some other other issues, of course, and now she's dead

532
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Speaker 2: to him. So you wonder kind of like where this

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Speaker 2: is all going. I think this is another thing. It's like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we're supposed to be fixing these great problems, which is

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Speaker 2: why we elected you, and so far the economy isn't

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Speaker 2: doing what we promised, and certainly when it comes to

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Speaker 2: healthcare and other issues, this is a big plan. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you've had fifteen years to come up with something, and

539
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Speaker 2: the something is we're just going to continue to what

540
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Speaker 2: we're doing. Why is healthcare so much so damn expensive?

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Speaker 2: And neither side, neither Republicans nor Democrats want to address

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Speaker 2: the real issue here, and that is huge part of

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Speaker 2: the problem. And I think you're going to see another

544
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Speaker 2: starting to field, another shift going on, going all right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Democrats will really have a plan. I

546
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Speaker 2: don't know what kind of leadership they have. Maybe GAVI

547
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Speaker 2: and do some I don't know. You've got socialists at

548
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Speaker 2: the White House. I'm not sure what the hell's got.

549
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Speaker 2: I don't know who to believe anymore. I think that's

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Speaker 2: the problem.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: We'll get a time out in more to follow on

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Speaker 2: this Monday morning, hopefully a short week for you, with

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving on the horizon. They can't take our turkey. With

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Speaker 2: that we have, they can't take our turkey away. Pride

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Speaker 2: that drumstick from my cold dead hands. Scott's loan seven

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Speaker 2: hundred wi a Scott's loan, This is seven hundred WLW.

558
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Speaker 2: So our big sports weekend, it was a big sports fail.

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Speaker 2: That was horrible week. Evert everything lined up like this

560
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Speaker 2: is going to be great, right, started out with so

561
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Speaker 2: much hope and promise or at least one local team

562
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Speaker 2: went anyway, And on Friday that would be uh Saint

563
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Speaker 2: X beating Elder and what twenty thousand people at pay

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Speaker 2: Corps on a chilly, misty, rainy kind of night. That's great.

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Speaker 2: Great Atmosphogot. I was not there, but I know a

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Speaker 2: number of people that were, and everyone's absolutely just blown

567
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Speaker 2: away with how good it was because you know, the

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Speaker 2: ribbon boards had if sant exit score, they had the

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Speaker 2: blue and purple of the Elder, and it was just

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Speaker 2: an action packed game, certainly in the first quarter was unreal.

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Speaker 2: But also the fact that they had video and video

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Speaker 2: replays up as well, and they went all in and

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Speaker 2: had all the you know, usual scoreboard operator and behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes teams working as they would a Bengals game.

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Speaker 2: The bad takeaway of this is because we're so used

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Speaker 2: to it watching the Bengals and NFL football, is that

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Speaker 2: you have multiple replays, you have officials on the field,

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Speaker 2: you have automatic reviews, booth reviews, and everything else right,

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Speaker 2: so you want to get it right, even though there

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Speaker 2: are at least a couple of plays a weekend looks

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Speaker 2: like where they got it wrong. Nonetheless, it's we expect perfection,

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Speaker 2: we demand perfection. The problem with that is when you

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Speaker 2: apply that the technology to high school, it doesn't work

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Speaker 2: because I was told there are a number of plays

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Speaker 2: where you know, these are high school officials officials on

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Speaker 2: an NFL field, they're not NFL officials. You have high

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Speaker 2: school officials. They're going to get wrong. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: the way it used to be before technology. Right refereed

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Speaker 2: below the call and get mad at the referee. But

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Speaker 2: that was consistent whether it's NFL college or high school.

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Speaker 2: And so now we have that collegiate, but especially the

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Speaker 2: NFL expectation at a place like pay Corps where they're

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Speaker 2: replaying they're showing the replace here from multiple angles and

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Speaker 2: pretty clearly guys out of bounds, he dropped the ball whatever,

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Speaker 2: and in high school you just you don't have the

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Speaker 2: benefit of instant replay, and so the officials are being

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Speaker 2: held to a much higher standard than out of control

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Speaker 2: of and we're so used to like, oh, yeah, clearly

599
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Speaker 2: he was juggling the bull, Clearly he was down. Clearly

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Speaker 2: he was out of bounds.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And when they missed that call, you're like, well, what

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Speaker 2: the hell, look at look at the score. But well

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Speaker 2: we can't. We're not allowed to look at that and

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Speaker 2: review it. That's how high school athletics work. So I

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Speaker 2: don't if we should do that in the futures, have

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Speaker 2: instant replay. But I'm a big proponent saying, listen, we

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Speaker 2: ought to have more games during the season at the

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Speaker 2: pay or that was awesome. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: can do what they did on Friday night, and what

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Speaker 2: are you know what the break even point would be

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Speaker 2: for an event like that, because let's face it, you

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Speaker 2: can't have two you know, smaller schools. And obviously the

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Speaker 2: passionate san X and Hellill bring it of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: without saying when they meet up, it's always big, it's

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Speaker 2: always a huge game. It's always happened. But I think

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Speaker 2: the are the games that you would think of that

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Speaker 2: certainly would rise to that level and you get huge

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Speaker 2: crowds for it, so but then maybe consider for the

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Speaker 2: next time you do it. It's like, yeah, maybe I

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Speaker 2: don't know as much as the crowd would want to

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Speaker 2: see the replays and the you know, the highlights, like

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Speaker 2: that's probably not good for the game and officiating because

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Speaker 2: it just great, say a lot more tension than you

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Speaker 2: would have normally just saying just saying, uh. Coming up

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Speaker 2: at ten, I was seven on the show Doctor Stephen

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Speaker 2: Vegans is the medical director Hamilon County Public Health. Couple

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Speaker 2: things going on right now. One of them would be RSV.

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Speaker 2: The other flu. I don't know if you heard this.

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Speaker 2: We're having a particularly difficult RSV season, especially for younger

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Speaker 2: and older patients. But I'm a I religiously get the

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Speaker 2: flu shot every year and I got one last year,

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Speaker 2: and I still think I got the flu. Now. It

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Speaker 2: was pretty I thought it was pretty bad because it

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Speaker 2: was I was three days I was down, and normally

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Speaker 2: that's like a week or so. So it does have

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Speaker 2: an effect even if they miss and okay, well, you

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Speaker 2: know once in a while we get that where the uh,

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Speaker 2: the current dose and the current vaccine does not match

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Speaker 2: up with what the current threat is because the nature

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Speaker 2: of you know, developing it and seeing what's happening. Well,

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Speaker 2: we won't get no more with vegans in the middle.

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Speaker 2: But this flu season is supposed to be as bad,

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Speaker 2: if not worse than last year, I believe it or not,

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Speaker 2: because we have yet another mutation that happened after the

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Speaker 2: vaccine came out was in production. So whether or not

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Speaker 2: you get it or not, I mean, I'm I've had

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Speaker 2: it for a long time. I haven't had a problem

649
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Speaker 2: with it myself, and I wonder how many times I

650
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Speaker 2: would would have gotten the flu. And if you have

651
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: the flu, it's like it's a week, it's it's pretty bad.

652
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Speaker 2: And last year I got it, I had a vaccine

653
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Speaker 2: on it. Not only I guess conventional wisdom post COVID

654
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Speaker 2: is that, well, see this is it doesn't work. This

655
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Speaker 2: is why you shouldn't take it put that in your body.

656
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I've been doing it for thirty years.

657
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: Look at it and go, oh, only times I prevented it.

658
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Speaker 2: But the other thing is it still gives you a

659
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Speaker 2: little bit of protection against the virus. So you're saying, well, dummy,

660
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Speaker 2: you just got sick last year and you had the shots,

661
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: so it doesn't matter. Yeah, But I as bad as

662
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Speaker 2: I felt, I couldn't I couldn't imagine how much worse

663
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Speaker 2: it would be had I not get some sort of

664
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Speaker 2: antigens in my bloodstream. That's my that's me. You may

665
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Speaker 2: be different. I'll leave it at that. Vegans is next.

666
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Speaker 2: He's the medical director Hamil County Public Health. This where

667
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Speaker 2: things stand headed in the cold and flu season. Still

668
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Speaker 2: not too late to get that flu shot. It might

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Speaker 2: help you a little bit anyway, And we'll find out

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Speaker 2: how much from the man himself right after news on

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Speaker 2: Some of u's already had a start on this one.

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Speaker 2: Hamlin County is seeing a rise in pediatric RSV hospitalizations

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Speaker 2: and usually early in the season. The other thing you

681
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Speaker 2: need to know is that for the second consecutive year,

682
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Speaker 2: it looks like this flu season is going to be

683
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Speaker 2: pretty bad. That's because of a new mutation. On the

684
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Speaker 2: show on seven hundred, WW is the medical director of

685
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Speaker 2: Hamlin County Public Health, doctor Stephenvegans. Good morning, how are you?

686
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Speaker 4: Thanks? Got good morning? How are you?

687
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Speaker 2: I'm well today tomorrow?

688
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Speaker 4: Not this link.

689
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm well today tomorrow. I don't know. We'll find

690
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Speaker 2: out here. Good to have you back, and I know

691
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Speaker 2: you're really busy. Thanks for taking time out. So first

692
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Speaker 2: of all, let's start with the RSV thing. We're seeing

693
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Speaker 2: a rise number of hospitalizations unusually early this year. What's

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Speaker 2: driving that.

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Speaker 4: Well, Urcity is one of the big three restaurerts and

696
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Speaker 4: dicial bars, COVID and influenza uh, and it disproportionately impacts kids,

697
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Speaker 4: basically very young and so you know we've last year

698
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Speaker 4: we saw a pretty significant RC season in children. This

699
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Speaker 4: year we actually sat a little bit earlier. So typically

700
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Speaker 4: all this season starts, you know, after October one, towards Thanksgiving.

701
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Speaker 4: We started seeing cases in September. Why is that? It's

702
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Speaker 4: probably just a combination of a bunch of stuff, kids

703
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Speaker 4: being out and about as well as adults. So and

704
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Speaker 4: there's a there's some now now some vaccines for mothers

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Speaker 4: so that the kid doesn't get RCV as well as

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Speaker 4: older adults. But yeah, it's just a part of the

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Speaker 4: respiratory season. And we're saying it especially especially as we

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Speaker 4: go into the holidays.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it hits our elderly people just as likely to

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Speaker 2: get RSV as a child.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so in fact it impacts the very young

712
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Speaker 4: and the very old. And that's why these are these

713
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Speaker 4: vaccines are now out for you know, age seventy five

714
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Speaker 4: and upright, it's fifty enough. And so all the stuff

715
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Speaker 4: that you find yourself in the hospital for even to

716
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Speaker 4: some extent fluence restaports and fishial bars. And so you've

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Speaker 4: got the young that may be impacted by the old,

718
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Speaker 4: and the old that may be impacted by the young.

719
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Speaker 4: And so the important thing is to wash your hands,

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Speaker 4: do all that stuff. You're gonna let this hold you.

721
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Speaker 4: But also if you are eligible, there's some vaccinations now

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Speaker 4: in the last two years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how does that present? By the way, it's art

724
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Speaker 2: because you know, I don't know what we called it

725
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Speaker 2: back in the day, but it seems like a it's

726
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Speaker 2: another one that there's no illnesses. You guys in Hamlin

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Speaker 2: County Health made up. No, we didn't make it up.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: The key it vegans. It's all about marketing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we just report right, but it's it's like

731
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Speaker 4: a lower respiratory track, so you know the cold. Uh,

732
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Speaker 4: the typical coronavirus is upper restory. Cause that.

733
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Speaker 2: We're losing your cell you there, Doctor Stephen Fagin's into

734
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Speaker 2: the lungs. Yes, oh we're losing her. We lost you

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Speaker 2: there for a minute.

736
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Speaker 5: Oh, sorry about that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So viruses that can kind of get down in

738
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Speaker 4: the lungs are the ones you got to kind of

739
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Speaker 4: worry about. And so that's when you you know.

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Speaker 2: Kind of cutting. Now you're cutting your cot. I'll pause

741
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Speaker 2: for a second. Maybe you can get another bar on

742
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Speaker 2: your phone. There, it's doctor Stephen Fagan's medical director, Hamlet

743
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Speaker 2: County Public Health. With the cold weather now here, the

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Speaker 2: wet weather, and of course being around family and friends

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Speaker 2: and big crowds as we like to do during the holidays,

746
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Speaker 2: and then being inside of course as an element of

747
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Speaker 2: this thing too or see an RSV cases hospitalizations spike already.

748
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Speaker 2: We know that it is deadly and children especially if

749
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Speaker 2: it's left untreated. And we're talking about the warning signs,

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Speaker 2: So are you saying, is it cough, is it fever?

751
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: Is both of those?

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00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mostly fever as well as cough. And so

753
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: you know, if you're very young, and they always tell

754
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Speaker 4: you if you have a feed you need to go

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Speaker 4: to hospital, especially if you're in that first month of life,

756
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Speaker 4: and so those first six months are very susceptible and

757
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Speaker 4: that that's the kind of the problem that you'll see.

758
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Speaker 4: And you also that's why you have those bulbs to

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Speaker 4: clear out the nose from all the congestion as well,

760
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 4: so you can kind of reade that. Yeah, fever and

761
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Speaker 4: cough is what the first start can be, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan of the upper respiratory. Having

763
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Speaker 2: one of those nasal rinses, the netty pop things work

764
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: pretty much kind of gross, but especially in an allergy season.

765
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Speaker 2: I use it not often, but pretty much you're around

766
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Speaker 2: if I'm a little bit stuff, you just kind of

767
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Speaker 2: clean the pipes out a little bit. So we have RSV,

768
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Speaker 2: but we also have the flu too, so let's talk

769
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Speaker 2: about that. I think that's the one that's going to

770
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Speaker 2: affect a lot more people, it's a so explain how

771
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: the flu vaccine works. People go, well, let's why I

772
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Speaker 2: don't get the vaccines because it doesn't work. It's not

773
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Speaker 2: worked last year, it's not going to work this year.

774
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Speaker 2: Why can't they get this right? It'd be the typical

775
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: question that gets asked, how do you answer that?

776
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the flu vaccine prevents you from having bad flu,

777
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Speaker 4: finding yourself in the hospital or find yourself in the

778
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Speaker 4: emergency department. The reason employers like you to get the

779
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 4: flu vaccine. It also keeps you able to work, and

780
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 4: so it doesn't decrease transmission, although it can some, but

781
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: it doesn't really decreases just how bad the flu is

782
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: when you get it.

783
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And also we look at what is happening half

784
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Speaker 2: a world away, right whereas now summer, you know, on

785
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Speaker 2: the other half Australia, for example, we look and see

786
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Speaker 2: what diseases they get in the winter and go, okay,

787
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Speaker 2: that's going to be part of our annual vaccine here

788
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Speaker 2: in America. And sometimes now two years in a row,

789
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Speaker 2: we missed a mutation. In this case, it's called the

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Speaker 2: H three and two. What is that?

791
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we characterized by H or even gluten or

792
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: in neuromenidase, and so it's the hema gluten that helps

793
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Speaker 4: the virus get into the cell, and that's what you

794
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Speaker 4: vaccinate against. The neuromenidase is what the TAMA flu and

795
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Speaker 4: anti viarl's work against. And so we're always looking to

796
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Speaker 4: see if the h part changes in arch of the

797
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Speaker 4: typical year when they have to decide what's the vaccine

798
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Speaker 4: going to have in it because it takes six months

799
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Speaker 4: to produce, you look at the southern hemisphere like Australia

800
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Speaker 4: to see what it's going to be like for up here,

801
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Speaker 4: and so between summer and going into fall, it looks

802
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Speaker 4: like yes, there was not just a small but a

803
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Speaker 4: pretty significant change actually changing from one subclaim to another.

804
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Speaker 4: As you mentioned previously, United Kingdom is seeing a significant

805
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Speaker 4: flu season. Japan of the places saw a significant flu season,

806
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Speaker 4: and we did have a big a three into flu

807
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Speaker 4: season last year, one of the biggest months they had

808
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Speaker 4: in five years here both locally and nationally. So who

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Speaker 4: knows what's coming up? We'll see right right, are you

810
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Speaker 4: what's the scoreboard saying right now? I know you have

811
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Speaker 4: the tracker the gateway on your website, but does it

812
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Speaker 4: look like it's going to be a particularly bad flu

813
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Speaker 4: season again. Well, and actually what we're showing is a

814
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Speaker 4: lower hostilization rate for influenza than the five year average

815
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Speaker 4: would show. But the reason for that is that the

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Speaker 4: High Department of Health change their data to something called

817
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Speaker 4: Clinton Sinc October one, and so we're not sure. We

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Speaker 4: think it's reporting lower than actual because if you go

819
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Speaker 4: to actual hospital, we're higher than what we typically were

820
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Speaker 4: over the five year average. So we have a little

821
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Speaker 4: bit of data reporting issue. Subjectively, it looks like we're higher,

822
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Speaker 4: but we are reporting slightly lower. Right now.

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Speaker 2: The vaccine better for kids or adults.

824
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Speaker 4: It's best for both six months and up. Go get one.

825
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Speaker 4: It's about fifty percent effective, which doesn't sound like much,

826
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Speaker 4: but it does a lot if you're feeling bad against hospitalization,

827
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Speaker 4: er visits and having bad flues.

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Speaker 2: Well, we see at some point a combined combined vaccination

829
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Speaker 2: doctor Stephen Fagin's where you get the flu and an

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Speaker 2: RSV in the same one.

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Speaker 4: Now, probably not that there's a potential combined covid and

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Speaker 4: flu vaccine, but I will tell you if you're an

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Speaker 4: adult and you qualify, you can get RSC vaccine Influenza

834
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Speaker 4: vaccine and COVID vaccine all at the same time. It'd

835
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Speaker 4: be a good thing to do before the holiday.

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Speaker 2: How we do it on covid By the way, we've

837
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Speaker 2: talked about RSV and the flu. I mean, obviously COVID

838
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: was major headlines five years ago but diminishing ever since.

839
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Speaker 2: Is that like a false sense of security?

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Speaker 4: Well still here, still puts feature in the hospital, not

841
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Speaker 4: as much as it did. It's almost something that we

842
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: kind of we kind of deal with. We do have

843
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 4: some antivirals, just like flu. If you do have a

844
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Speaker 4: positive COVID test, it's good to start the anti viral

845
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Speaker 4: within two days of the first symptoms. But it's it's

846
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Speaker 4: still here. It's one of the big three that we

847
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: that we monitor.

848
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Speaker 2: But it's not we're not seeing the fatality rich because

849
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Speaker 2: we've all lot they heard immunity.

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Speaker 4: We got some immunity less combination combination vaccine and prior

851
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 4: evaccine and stuff, and it's mutating less fast than it

852
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 4: used to, and so that's also well. And so we

853
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: do have the experience and it's just one of the

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Speaker 4: viruses now. We definitely definitely don't see the fatalities that

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Speaker 4: we saw with this when it first started.

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Speaker 2: Which we kind of do, but five years ago much different.

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Speaker 2: We're in a much different spot at that time. How

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Speaker 2: much of that immunity has to do with the vaccine

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Speaker 2: versus natural resistance and the herd immunities I.

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Speaker 4: Mentioned, Yeah, probably a combination of both. You know, the

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Speaker 4: vaccine probably has its effectiveness like flu for the first

862
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: three to six months, and then it gradually comes off.

863
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: And so it's probably more previous affection immunity right now

864
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 4: than vaccine immunity. But there is a good combination of both.

865
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 4: And if you're a certain age or have a lot

866
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 4: of comorbidities, you know, it's a good idea to go

867
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 4: ahead and get that COVID vaccine to boost that.

868
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: Is it like RSV in a way that the young

869
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: and very old are the ones that really need to

870
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: get accident.

871
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 4: Inno sense, Yeah, you probably can drop that age range

872
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: around fifty or so for COVID, but nonetheless that's exactly right. Yeah,

873
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 4: the American pediatrics will say that from six months to

874
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: two years, they're recommending the COVID vaccine for kids.

875
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: I know that Texas is dealing with a very severe

876
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: whooping cough upraiss like I think four times higher than

877
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: the national average or something like that. Why Texas, And

878
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: are you seeing any of those upticks in protests here

879
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,479
Speaker 2: in the Tri State?

880
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we are and we continue to see that. And

881
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: Protestis is a bacteria and it's a vaccination. That's what

882
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: teed app tatness dipteria a cellar Protestas is vaccinated for.

883
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: But the vaccine kind of wanes over time, and you

884
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 4: do treat it with zpac. It's just from isen and

885
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 4: if it's a reportable condition. So if we see a

886
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: kid with protessas, we will actually treat other members of

887
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: the family their home.

888
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, because as a child, you might get this if

889
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: you're not vaccinated or not on the schedule yet. But

890
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: of course as you get older, you don't get vaccine

891
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: as often, and so that makes older people where the

892
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: vaccine has worn off, it affects them.

893
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does. And you won't get the big whoop

894
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: of a cough that you do when you're older that

895
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: you know, you characteristically know that barking cough if you've

896
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: ever heard it. But you do get pretty, you know,

897
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: pretty sort of bress. You got enthizin or asthma or something.

898
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: It can it can pass it even more. And so

899
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 4: it's not about it I diea sometimes you get the t down.

900
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 4: It is recommended if you go travel. That's a travel vaccine.

901
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's a lot of things I get. I

902
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: mean nice for when I travel abroad, that's for sure,

903
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: because a lot of nafty things out the world. Doctor

904
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Stephen Figin's medical director Hamilt County Public Health. We're seeing

905
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: spike and RSV cases here among the young and older people.

906
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: But it's going to be a rough season for that

907
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: as well as the flu because we have a mutuded

908
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: strain that came out since the vaccine was developed six

909
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: months ago. It's it's causing hospitalization rates to spike in

910
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: the UK, Canada, Japan, Australia and the other half the world.

911
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: And so expect a bad flu season. Not too late

912
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: to get that flu vax or the RSV by the.

913
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 4: Way, right, absolutely get it now. You can get them

914
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 4: together and you know, the shared decision making it's discussed

915
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: about talking with your pharmacists qualifies. The attestation of a

916
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 4: you know, comorbidity to get one or more of the

917
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 4: vaccines is a self attestation. And so if you feel

918
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: like you really would benefit from that. Go to your

919
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: local pharmacy and talk with them.

920
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that makes make sense, and it really you know,

921
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: you can get right in these days too, because are

922
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 2: we seeing a decrease in the number of people people

923
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: getting vaccinations? What do you attribute that to?

924
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: Well, all kinds of stuff and that the various hesitancy

925
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: and things like that. But we still feel a fair

926
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: bit of confidence in the vaccine. And you talk to

927
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: people and like, do you want to get this vaccine?

928
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 4: They may not want to, but they think other people should.

929
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 4: And so you know, there's still a high confidence. And

930
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: there are lower rates for a lot of reasons, and

931
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 4: you probably talked about most of them.

932
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it seems to me like all vacs. It's

933
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: weird because we had COVID, and granted it was controversial.

934
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 2: We developed the fast dressed and thing and people went

935
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: and I get it. You know, I'm not going to

936
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: put that in my body.

937
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 5: You know.

938
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: I read, I read what was about and how you

939
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: developed and said, Okay, I'm gonna I'd rather take my

940
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: risk with a vaccine than take up my risk with

941
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: COVID because I knew people actually got sick and died

942
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: from COVID who were normally healthy people. You just don't

943
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: know how your body is going to react. I had

944
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: it a couple of times and I'm fine, but someone

945
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: else may give us perfectly healthy and wind up passing.

946
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: And this was in you know, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one.

947
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: Since then, we've learned a lot about this. But it

948
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: seems like because of that vaccine hesitate with COVID that's

949
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: now spread to other vaccines. Is that what you're saying?

950
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: You know, good ass, and we're actually last year we

951
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 4: dropped alow fifty percent for pediatric influenza vaccination. Forty nine

952
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: percent pediatric kids got vackcin to against influenza. In addition

953
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 4: to the biggest influenza season we had last year, there

954
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: were two hundred and eighty seven pediatric deaths eighty seven.

955
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: That's the highest in two thousand and four, and half

956
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 4: of those kids were totally healthy, had nothing else going on.

957
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 4: I ended up dying from the flu. So it's still

958
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: there and it's still important to get the vaccine.

959
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. When you guys monitor, do you put all

960
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: this stuff on your dashboard or the Hamlet County Public

961
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: Health website? What the data is it's interesting how you

962
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 2: collect that. Could you take us through where those numbers

963
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: come from and how you get your accuracy?

964
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, so for rest of ours is it's hospitalization. So

965
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: that's the one thing you clearly know if you're in

966
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 4: the hospital and you have a positive test, you definitely

967
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: know you have it. And so it's the one. So

968
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: it's for RC COVID influenza that data Hall hospitals are

969
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 4: required to report and they report up electronically through the

970
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: Ohio Department of Health and we get that data from

971
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 4: the High Department of Health and that's how we get that.

972
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 4: We report it locally report Hambleton County south Ofst. Ohio

973
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 4: as you see on the website, but it does come

974
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 4: through ODH, which is anytime there's a glitch or anything

975
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 4: in that reporting, there's a delay or possibly an underreporting

976
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: of the numbers. We think that's happening now for this month,

977
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: and we're working to reconcile that.

978
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotcha. The other thing too is you guys

979
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: look at wastewater treatment plants.

980
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, you do, and so here locally there's three

981
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 4: wastewater plants that are monitoring mostly for COVID nationally to

982
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 4: monitor flud polio as well as RSV. The thing about

983
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: RSV SCOTT is, for the most part it's the kids

984
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 4: that shed who are putting it in a diaper, who

985
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 4: doesn't go to the wastewater. So it's a little bit

986
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: of underreporting. But you could, you know, get some trend

987
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 4: from adult RSC. We don't measure RSC locally though.

988
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: That's incredible how granular you can get into the details

989
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: what's in our wastewater right?

990
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 4: Well, and there is one case of polio not here

991
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 4: but in New York, and it picks it up in

992
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: the wastewater. It is an absolutely amazing technology.

993
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 2: How do you know it's uh, how do you pick

994
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: out one case out of some water?

995
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 4: Well, there had to be more than one case, And

996
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 4: so you pick up the little sipe in the DNA.

997
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: Not only did they know it was polio, they know

998
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: it was wild type meaning not vaccine associated polio, which

999
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: is amazing.

1000
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: That is incredible. How much there's just gotta be so

1001
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 2: much information out there that's noise. On top of if

1002
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: you're getting down the world a couple of cases of

1003
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 2: polio and a sample of wastewater, there's gonna be a

1004
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: ton of other interesting data you pull out of there.

1005
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, but Pablo is very unique DNA

1006
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 4: and it's like CSI, you know, in terms of DNA testing,

1007
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 4: and it's amazing. The guys that do this are super

1008
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 4: geeks and they really go on and on about it.

1009
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: I bet. Yeah. It's always a fascinating dinner discussion when

1010
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: the when the guys who look through wastewater and the cowboy,

1011
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: it makes me want to order a second round.

1012
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

1013
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: Doctor Stephen Fagin's is here. He is a medical director

1014
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: Hamlin County Public Health. Expect a bigger RSV season, a

1015
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 2: bigger flu season as well. COVID numbers should be about

1016
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: the same we expect or more.

1017
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so far, so good. Probably a little uptick, you know,

1018
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 4: around Christmas or so. That's why we started basically looking

1019
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 4: at the big three altogether respiratory virus season and what

1020
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: is the impact, mostly around hospitalizations, and mostly so we

1021
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: can know how many beds do we need or how

1022
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 4: much capacity do we need as a region.

1023
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: Gotcha, what's going to keep you awake at night here

1024
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: for the next few months this season?

1025
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 4: You know everything? God, but I do. I am concerned

1026
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 4: about this shift in subclade for a three into for

1027
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 4: influenza and just what that might mean, because you know

1028
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: that's they call it vaccine evasion, which means that our

1029
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 4: immune invasion, so previous immunity or vaccine immunity you know,

1030
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 4: isn't doesn't work nearly as well. When that human glutin

1031
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 4: thing really changes, that could make a big difference. And

1032
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 4: we could see an even more significant flu season this

1033
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: year than we did last year. And the vaccine still works.

1034
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: Vaccine still helps. It may not be, you know, as

1035
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 4: much as as it typically might, but it definitely does

1036
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: health as well as covery calls wash your hands and

1037
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 4: do what your grandmother told me to do.

1038
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: And advice is still to wash your damn hands and

1039
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: cover your mouth when you sneek. Yeah, it's it's I

1040
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: mentioned before you came on and I got the flu

1041
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: last year. I have to get the vaccine every season,

1042
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: and I hit me and somebody said, hey, you know, Slan,

1043
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: why are you getting the vaccine? It doesn't work. I'm like,

1044
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, but if I was, if I've got that

1045
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: crappy for three days, I could have I'd probably been

1046
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: in the hospital if I didn't have the vaccine to

1047
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: at least help my body deal with us. So you

1048
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: even get you do get some protection and some of

1049
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: those proteins in your body. Even if you they wind

1050
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: up miss guessing and we have some sort of mutation

1051
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: like we have this year.

1052
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 4: Right, oh my gosh. Yeah, And then you know, the

1053
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 4: flu vaccine really kind of only works for about five

1054
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: to six months. That's why you get one every year.

1055
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 4: That's why you kind of time it so that you

1056
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 4: sort of you know, certainly two weeks before the holiday.

1057
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 4: He's got two weeks to have the impact. And it

1058
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: definitely works, and get one every year. There's a medicine

1059
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 4: called him Solues that also work, but you have to

1060
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: take it within forty hours of the start of symptoms.

1061
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: But you always know when flu stars it is a

1062
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: sudden fever, feeling bad. You know time that that occurred,

1063
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 4: so it's a little bit easier to time the medication, gotcha. Yeah.

1064
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: You know people go, oh yeah, the stomach flu for

1065
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: a day, Well, that's not the flu. That's something entirely gasting, rise,

1066
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: something entirely different. You have the flu. You know you

1067
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: had the flu. It's a good solid week of feeling

1068
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: a feeling like you've been over by a school bus.

1069
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 4: Well, and there is a virus called neuro virus the

1070
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 4: winter vomiting signal, and so that's another varus you see

1071
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 4: in the winter. And we had a pretty significant neauro

1072
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 4: virus season last year as well. But that's upper GI

1073
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: just like up restory upper gif. You're vomiting. You know,

1074
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 4: it's irritating the stomach. You haven diary, you know it's

1075
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Speaker 4: irritating the colon.

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Speaker 2: Right right, all right, useful information and this is why

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Speaker 2: we do it at a ten ten thirty because it's

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Speaker 2: far enough between breakfast and lunch is to not nausey

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Speaker 2: your further Dutch. Stephen Fagan's medical director Hamlin County Public Health.

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Speaker 2: Always appreciate you coming on. Thanks for the time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, scot Care.

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Speaker 2: All right, well there you go. You got your information

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Speaker 2: for Warner's four Arms, Scott's Loan Show with News and

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Speaker 2: three on seven hundred WW. Everyone needs help every now

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Speaker 4: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

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Speaker 2: All right, the holidays are coming up. We start with Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: You know what that means. That means fighting, That means

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Speaker 2: pies getting thrown across the room, ceilings full of mashed potatoes,

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Speaker 2: picking pieces of cranberry out of the paintings on the wall,

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Speaker 2: clocks that are filled with the guts of turkeys because

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Speaker 2: people just don't get along, damn it. It makes you

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Speaker 2: want to eat Thanksgiving dinner by yourself. Julie hattershre welcome back,

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm fine.

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Speaker 6: I'm laughing at what you just said. That sounds like

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Speaker 6: a middle school food fight.

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Speaker 2: Probably. I've bet there's plenty of households at the vault

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Speaker 2: into that. It's like an episode of Landman. Every time

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Speaker 2: they sit down they eat, the food's getting thrown around.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, But that's true for a lot though. It's like, Man,

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Speaker 2: you get around relatives you only see maybe during the holidays,

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Speaker 2: maybe once a year or maybe twice a year, and

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Speaker 2: there's a sense of dread out there. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of people that dread Thanksgiving or Christmas.

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Speaker 7: There are a lot of people, yeah, yeah, that dread

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Speaker 7: the holidays for that very reason.

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Speaker 8: People they don't.

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Speaker 7: See very often and don't actually have a lot in

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Speaker 7: common with or even enjoy the company of that they

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Speaker 7: have to.

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Speaker 8: Spend time with.

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Speaker 4: It can be hard.

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Speaker 2: What drives that.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, you know you choose your friends, right,

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Speaker 7: You don't choose your coworkers, and you don't choose your family,

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Speaker 7: but you do choose people to spend time with.

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Speaker 6: And so if family, if family are the people.

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Speaker 7: You're spending the holidays with, and you don't you don't

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Speaker 7: like them, you don't have a lot in common with them,

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Speaker 7: They find.

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Speaker 6: You annoying, you find them annoying.

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Speaker 8: It can be really it can.

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Speaker 7: Cause this sense of dread and taste for the holidays

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Speaker 7: make you want to spend them by yourself, maybe because

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Speaker 7: that's a little bit easier than going home wherever you're

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Speaker 7: going for the family holiday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I always love it when you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: you get one of your cousins of sech extended family

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Speaker 2: in there and it's at some point, you know, she's

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Speaker 2: going to bring about the topic of a genocide in Gaza,

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Speaker 2: which is always uplifting holiday talk.

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Speaker 7: That sound Yeah, isn't it lovely that people will do

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Speaker 7: that at the holidays with everybody around. So if you

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Speaker 7: have people like that who you know are going to

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Speaker 7: want to talk about things you don't want to talk about,

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Speaker 7: doing a little prep work ahead of time can be

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Speaker 7: really really helpful for you.

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Speaker 6: So the first thing that.

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Speaker 7: I recommend people do is you're probably going to know

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Speaker 7: who those people are at the event who are likely

1144
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Speaker 7: to go places conversationally that you don't want to go,

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Speaker 7: unless it's everybody, in which case you.

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Speaker 8: Might want to sit this one out, but there are.

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Speaker 6: Probably a few people who are likely to do that.

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Speaker 7: I recommend that you prep a few alternative topics of

1149
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 7: conversation specific to each one of those people, and even

1150
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 7: maybe write them down and stick them in in a

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Speaker 7: card in your back pocket or whatever that you can

1152
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 7: go to the restroom and figure out, Okay, what am

1153
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Speaker 7: I going to talk to Aunt Susie about because she's

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Speaker 7: going off on politics again.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they just renovated their kitchen.

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Speaker 8: Let me ask her about that when I get back

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Speaker 8: out there.

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00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 7: So you can prep some pivot topics ahead of time

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Speaker 7: specific to the person so that you don't feel like

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Speaker 7: you're caught in a trap.

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Speaker 8: You can you have a way out, you have a

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Speaker 8: door out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, God, it makes sense. I you know, I was

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Speaker 2: just thinking. It's just talked about this too. There's a

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Speaker 2: great marketing opportunity, you know, if if we ever want

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00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: to get cigarette smoking back in the fold, this is

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00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 2: a good time to take it up because you just go, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go grab a smoke and it Yeah, I'm

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00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 2: gonna go and just and just stand out there for

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Speaker 2: you know, even like fake cigarettes they sell the good

1171
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: fake ones on looks like you're burning a you know,

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00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: you're burning a dart, and you know it's okay, and

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Speaker 2: people don't want to be around that they see the smoke.

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Speaker 2: I'm my god, I can just keep going out there

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Speaker 2: doing that. Take your little you know, five ten minute break.

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Speaker 6: I love that idea.

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Speaker 7: I have clients who have a very politically divided family

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Speaker 7: and this year, the rule is you can talk politics

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Speaker 7: at Thanksgiving, but you have to do it outside. And

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Speaker 7: they live in a very cold part of the country, and.

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Speaker 8: So they you can talk politics, but you have.

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Speaker 7: To talk them outside of the house. You can't talk

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00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 7: about them in the house. And so anybody who feels

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Speaker 7: compelled to do that has to go stand out in

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Speaker 7: the cold.

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00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: That's a good way to do it. You get you

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00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: get in time out outdoor time out is what's happening.

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Speaker 7: I love that exactly, That's exactly what you get and

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Speaker 7: it's going to shorten the time you do it because

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Speaker 7: it's going to be really chilly and windy at night.

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00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 7: And so they that's how they've decided to do it.

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Speaker 8: Last year they try to know politics Thanksgiving. That didn't work.

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Speaker 6: This year, they say.

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Speaker 7: Politics are fine, but you have to do it outside

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Speaker 7: of the house.

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Speaker 6: And I will be curious to see how that goes.

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Speaker 2: Is that the big one from your house, most peoples,

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Speaker 2: is the big one? Politics? People are talking well, I

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Speaker 2: would say just I think we're all, even those on

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Speaker 2: the extreme side of it, they seem would you seem

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00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: like we're so exhausted and frustrated that I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's going to be as bad as it's been

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Speaker 2: in years past.

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Speaker 7: I wonder about that too, because I think we've all

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00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 7: kind of realized that we're not going to change the

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00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 7: opinions of people who aren't flexible. Right, no matter which

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Speaker 7: side of the political spectrum you're on, if you've got

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 7: somebody who's on the very far other side, nothing you

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00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 7: can say or do is going to change their perspective

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Speaker 7: or their mind. If you've got people who are more centrist,

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Speaker 7: and you can have a more reasoned conversation that that

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00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 7: might be worth doing if you feel like they're reasonable

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Speaker 7: people and you can have a nuanced conversation.

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Speaker 6: But if you are on one end of these other

1215
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 6: people are.

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Speaker 7: On the other end, nobody's going to change your mind

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Speaker 7: and you're not going to change theirs.

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Speaker 6: So let's move on to other things.

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Speaker 7: I think there are a lot of people who are

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Speaker 7: pragmatic like that.

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Speaker 6: I also think there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 6: are really.

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Speaker 7: Staunchly grounded in their beliefs and feel like it is

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Speaker 7: not only their right but their responsibility to try to

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Speaker 7: convert others. So I do think politics is one. I mean,

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Speaker 7: there are.

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Speaker 8: All the usual topics. Religion is another one. What's going on.

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Speaker 7: With your kids, how they're ruining their own lives is

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00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 7: another one. There are so many hot topics for people.

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Speaker 7: It varies by family, and so just knowing what yours

1231
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 7: are and what your particular sensitive spots are and then

1232
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 7: having some strategies if those come up, to be able

1233
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Speaker 7: to manage them effectively, I think is the best you

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Speaker 7: can do.

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Speaker 2: Julie Hattish share our licensed mental health therapist on The

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Speaker 2: Scot's Loan Show on seven hundred wo to a mental

1237
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: health Monday, and we're talking about the looming Thanksgiving holiday,

1238
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: which is great for all of us, most of us anyway,

1239
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: but sometimes you get family members over extended family, and

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Speaker 2: it can get a little hairy when it comes to conversations.

1241
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: How do you steer yourself out of these things? Why

1242
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: can't we just go listen? You know, I'm really not interested.

1243
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: It seems like the easiest thing to do.

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Speaker 7: You absolutely can, and sometimes people will respect that, and

1245
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 7: sometimes they won't. So, you know, I'm thinking specifically of

1246
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 7: a family I know where one of the kids is

1247
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Speaker 7: not performing up to the grandparents expect and the grandparents.

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Speaker 6: Continually ask the kid, so, what are you doing with

1249
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Speaker 6: your life?

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Speaker 8: Why aren't you doing anything different? Why aren't you doing

1251
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Speaker 8: this or that?

1252
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 7: And the kid tries, well young adult not.

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Speaker 6: Kids, tries to say, look, you know.

1254
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Speaker 7: I don't want to talk about this. I don't want

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Speaker 7: to talk about this. I don't want to talk about this,

1256
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Speaker 7: and they just don't listen. They keep hounding. So you

1257
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 7: can try not to attend every drama you're invited to,

1258
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 7: but sometimes people will continue.

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Speaker 8: To hound you.

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Speaker 6: So in that instance, it can be really good.

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01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 7: To have an ally on your side and have a

1262
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 7: look or a signal or a code word that says, hey,

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01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 7: come in and rescue me. And have that person come

1264
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 7: in and redirect the conversation or pull you away to

1265
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 7: help in the kitchen, or take you outside for a

1266
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 7: walk or whatever. Have somebody who can help direct you

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Speaker 7: if you're not able to manage the conversation on your own.

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01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: Another opportunity there is hire someone like me to come

1269
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: to your Thanksgiving and be that guy. I don't know.

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: Problem is, shut the hell up. Nobody wants to hear

1271
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: your crab carl.

1272
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 6: You totally could, and you get free food.

1273
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: Out of it. So what's your deal that to win

1274
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: all around everybody?

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01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 6: You are so direct. Everybody wins because you were so directed.

1276
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 6: Just say no, I'm not having that conversation.

1277
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: Leave thee he answer the question quite pressing them. We'll

1278
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: turn it around on you. You think you should be

1279
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: so taught and social security right now, I think you're

1280
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: a little younger. What do you you know, get on

1281
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: their mouth, you take it out your medication exactly. Let's

1282
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: jump on you really clear and.

1283
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 7: Direct about that, and other people have a hard time

1284
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 7: being that clear and direct, and sometimes people don't stop

1285
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 7: when you tell them to stop. So, you know, being

1286
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 7: able to escape, having a rescue and an exit strategy

1287
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 7: can be really helpful for folks.

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01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and answer, now, how does the supply when it

1289
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: comes to let's say coworkers, Because we have time in

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Speaker 2: the year we're going to do in holiday parties and

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Speaker 2: you know there's generally complimentary drinks and beverages, and you

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Speaker 2: get cornered and that that that's a whole different model

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Speaker 2: because you see these people all the time, as opposed

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Speaker 2: to maybe a certain family member at least once a year.

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Speaker 7: Right, right, right, right, So in that case, it can

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Speaker 7: be really helpful to have a way of saying that

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Speaker 7: you disagree.

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Speaker 8: That isn't your wrong.

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Speaker 6: You can say I see it differently, or.

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Speaker 8: My experience has not been that.

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Speaker 6: My experience has been different than that, or in my.

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Speaker 8: World view, it looks a little different. So you can

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 8: just pivot and say I see it differently. And then again, it.

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Speaker 7: Can really be helpful to have those topics of conversation

1305
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 7: to change it to So what are your family doing

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01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 7: for the holidays? Do you celebrate with friends, do you travel,

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01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 7: what do you do? You can change the topic to

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 7: something different really deftly and steer it away.

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Speaker 6: And then again, if.

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Speaker 7: It's coworkers, you can always just excuse yourself, go talk

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Speaker 7: to somebody else, Go refresh your drink, Go take a

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Speaker 7: smoke break, even if you actually don't smoke, right, Go

1313
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 7: say oh, I see so and so leaving. I need

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Speaker 7: to say goodbye to them before they go, oh, there's Joe.

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Speaker 7: I've been trying to button hole them about this project.

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Speaker 7: I want to see if I can get ten minutes

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Speaker 7: next week. You can find a way to remove yourself

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Speaker 7: and most people will be pretty gracious about that. Not everybody,

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01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 7: but most people will be pretty gracious about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. And then are some people that just

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Speaker 2: don't get the message and they continue. That's a whole

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Speaker 2: other topic entirely.

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Speaker 1: Well, there are.

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Speaker 6: People who don't get the message and they just continue.

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Speaker 7: And that's when sometimes you have to get more direct

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Speaker 7: and you have to say, look, I'm interested in having

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Speaker 7: a good time tonight or spending time with friends and family.

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Speaker 7: This is not a topic I want to get into.

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Speaker 7: I really don't want to talk about this right now,

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Speaker 7: or I don't want to talk about this with you

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01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 7: right now, or I don't want to talk about this

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Speaker 7: ever again.

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Speaker 8: In the history of ever.

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Speaker 7: You can say any of those things and then just

1335
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Speaker 7: refuse to engage, and you can remove yourself. You can say, look,

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Speaker 7: I get that this is important to you, but I

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01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 7: don't want to go here, and you go someplace else

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Speaker 7: and you talk to somebody else, or you remove yourself

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Speaker 7: from the conversation. If you're seated at a table, you

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 7: turn to the person to your left, if the person

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01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 7: do your right won't leave you alone, or you engage

1342
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Speaker 7: the person across the table from you, or you actually

1343
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 7: get up and move your seat, so you just stop

1344
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 7: the conversation and focus on something else. And yes, that

1345
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 7: could be seen as rude, but if you use it

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01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 7: as the last resort when the other person won't stop

1347
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 7: bugging you, then they're actually the ones being rude and

1348
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Speaker 7: you're actually the one being polite and holding a solid boundary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can do that, I think most people

1350
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: just suffer on their minds going God help me, and

1351
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 2: you know there's no help to be had at that point.

1352
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: You just nod your head and okay, well that's good, okay,

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: and they just keep going and going. What about going

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Speaker 2: to a family dinner, a Thanksgiving, Christmas? I'm going to

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01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: applies for all these things where you know that there's

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01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: like I don't know somebody's going to bring up bring

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01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: up a past grievance, because it happens every year.

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Speaker 7: It does absolutely, So first of all, maybe you don't

1359
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 7: need to engage in that conversation.

1360
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 6: Maybe it has nothing to do with you.

1361
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 7: Maybe they bring up a past grievance with somebody else

1362
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 7: and you can just mentally check out. If it does

1363
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 7: have something to do with you, you can say, listen,

1364
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 7: I will happily discuss this with you, but not hearing now,

1365
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 7: Let's set a time that we can talk about it later.

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 7: Or I feel like we've covered this in years past.

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01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 7: I don't feel like there's any more to say, and

1368
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 7: I'm not interested in discussing it with you anymore. And again,

1369
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 7: remove yourself from the situation.

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01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 6: It's really about holding.

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01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 7: Your own personal boundaries, not being the person who brings

1372
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 7: up the past grievance and ruins the party, but holding

1373
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 7: your own boundaries and having some escape strategies if you

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01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 7: need them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So we've covered those angles in particular.

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: Julie Hatter share a relative to getting together and uncomfortable

1377
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 2: conversations at what point, should you just go, Okay, I'm

1378
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: out of here. It's always a bad look when you start.

1379
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'm storming off, but it's like, okay, we're leaving.

1380
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Speaker 7: Well if you are, if you are unable to have

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01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 7: a useful, worthwhile conversation with anybody at the event, Let's

1382
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 7: say you are the only person who is not believing

1383
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 7: a particular way or engaging in a particular conversation, and

1384
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 7: you don't want to. If it starts to get antagonistic,

1385
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 7: if you start to feel yourself getting in antagonistic and

1386
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 7: you can't back yourself down into a place of peace

1387
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 7: and calm, If it looks like things are going sideways

1388
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 7: and there doesn't seem to be any other avenue to explore,

1389
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 7: then you can say, look, I think it's time for

1390
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 7: us to go. This isn't going in a direction that

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Speaker 7: I want for us or for you. I don't want

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Speaker 7: anybody's holiday to be.

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Speaker 8: Ruined, yours or hours. It's time for us to go.

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Speaker 7: And you make your exit, you politely, as politely as

1395
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 7: you can. If you're the one who's really worked up,

1396
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 7: you politely say I'm stepping out, and you do. We

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Speaker 7: hope that's the last resort, But that's also a really

1398
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 7: clear consequence. And actions have consequences. So if you are

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Speaker 7: the person who's been trying to say no, I don't

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Speaker 7: want to know, I don't want to know, I don't

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01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 7: want to and the others aren't listening, then a consequence

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01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 7: of that is you remove yourself and they don't get

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01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 7: to talk to you anymore. They don't have you at

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01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 7: their party or their dinner. Actions have consequences. Okay, we

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01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 7: hope that that's the last resort.

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Speaker 2: What does it say and how do you addrest the

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01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: person who simply doesn't get the message you don't want

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01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 2: to have this conversation. If they just continue to pester people,

1409
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: is it up to the host to throw them out?

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01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: What do you do if it's a relative and.

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Speaker 7: The relatives I think I think the host should definitely

1412
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 7: set some expectations. And the host is the one with

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Speaker 7: a certain kind of power.

1414
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Speaker 8: I'm not saying all the power, because.

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Speaker 7: Families are power dynamic, interesting, but the host has a

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Speaker 7: certain kind of power because you are at their home

1417
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 7: and the host can say, hey, listen, look, Aunt, Susie,

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01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 7: Uncle Joe, no politics tonight, please, I've asked you, I'm

1419
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 7: going to remind you please no politics tonight. You're making

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01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 7: making people uncomfortable, and the host can then ask those

1421
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 7: offending parties if they're not paying attention to leave. That

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Speaker 7: would be a really big thing to do, though, I

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01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 7: mean that would take a lot of That would take

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Speaker 7: a lot of gumption on somebody's part to ask folks.

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Speaker 2: But a church bells? Are you kidding me? That'd be

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Speaker 2: awesome exactly.

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Speaker 7: But if they're being that disruptive to everybody else's holiday

1428
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 7: and there's nothing that anybody can think or figure out

1429
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 7: to do to back them down and to make that better,

1430
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 7: it is an option. I would say it's the last

1431
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 7: resort option, but it is an option available to say, look,

1432
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, you're gonna have to ask you to leave

1433
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 7: because everybody.

1434
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 6: Else is trying to enjoy themselves when you're making it impossible.

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Speaker 2: That's a job for you, a holiday bouncer. How about that?

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01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 7: You you should hire yourself out to be the truth teller,

1437
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 7: the stopper of all awkward conversations, and the enforcer the muscle.

1438
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Speaker 6: If things go sideways.

1439
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 7: And you get free food and you get paid for.

1440
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Speaker 6: It, and all you do is miss a holiday with

1441
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 6: your own family.

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Speaker 2: You shut up here and this pie is horrible, by

1443
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 2: the way. Oh yeah, this is what a business model

1444
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 2: right there, Just for a good food critic, right right, right, roll.

1445
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: Keep in mind that's smoking kills, but it also can

1446
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: get you out of uncomfortable situations during the holidays. Just

1447
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: something enough.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you can also pretend to take a call.

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Speaker 8: You don't have to smoke.

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01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 7: You can also pretend to take a call and move

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Speaker 7: to a different room.

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01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 2: You know, my stocking a carton of Marlborough's. She's Julie

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Speaker 2: hattersh heare licensed metal health expert at that be Connected

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01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: dot care. Hey, Juliet be Connected dot care. She jumps

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Speaker 2: in every Monday morning and mental health Monday here on

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Speaker 2: the Scott Sloan Show. We'll talk again next week. Have

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Speaker 2: a wonderful holiday. Okay, thanks you, I appreciate you. We

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Speaker 2: got to time out in and when a return to

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Speaker 2: the show. We have all sorts of stuff, believe it

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Speaker 2: or not, happened in Washington. We have the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: on terrafs for this matter. It looks like in some

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Speaker 2: of these things go okay, well, what's the point of

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01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court going to wind up ruling that terrifs

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Speaker 2: are illegal and what are the consequences of that too

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Speaker 2: as we head in the holiday shopping season here too,

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Speaker 2: when we're paying a little bit more for everything. It's

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Speaker 2: all in play in the Scott's Loan Show seven hundred WWD.

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Speaker 2: Since now do you want to.

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Speaker 1: Be an American idiot?

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Speaker 2: Sloaney back on seven hundred WLW. It is the International

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Speaker 2: Emergency Economic Powers Act, the old i e EPA boring

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Speaker 2: but important. It's normal reserved for national security crisises to

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Speaker 2: impose widespread tariffs, and of course this has let a

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Speaker 2: constitutional showdown a fire. Some ninety billion dollars has been

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Speaker 2: collected under the t AFS under Trump and China. Of

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Speaker 2: course they're easing their measures, so in that case it

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Speaker 2: looks like it might be working. But it's before the

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Speaker 2: Serame Court as we speak, and it could reshape how

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Speaker 2: future presidents are able to use that power. On the

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Speaker 2: show this morning, Kyle Moran, he's a political analyst and

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Speaker 2: at Young Voices he's senior contributed there. Welcome, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good?

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. So the big issue here as

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Speaker 2: we debate tariffs and if they're effective or not. Is

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Speaker 2: that the President invoked the Powers Act and designed for

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 2: a national security crisis like wars or terrorism or seizing

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Speaker 2: assets things like that to impose Trey teffs on China.

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Speaker 2: Is this a misuse of emergency powers? Because that's what

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Speaker 2: the High Court is going to decide here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it basically is guaranteed to be some sort of

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01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 5: abuse of overreach in terms of the emergency powers granted

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Speaker 5: to him through that Act, because from day one when

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01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 5: he rolled these out, he was already exempting very specific

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01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:05,759
Speaker 5: industries that are economically important because he knows the impact

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Speaker 5: that tariff would have on those would be detrimental to

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Speaker 5: the United States. But critically, this shows that it's not

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Speaker 5: based on national security. When he's exempting copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors,

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Speaker 5: all these other types of materials from the tariffs, then

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Speaker 5: what is it? What is he even tariffing a lot

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Speaker 5: of the needs a lot less important goods that we're importing.

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Speaker 5: So therefore it's not based on national security, which he

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Speaker 5: himself has sort of admitted very at various times. He

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Speaker 5: has gone on record as saying it's going to be

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01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 5: used to pay down the national debt to do now

1506
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,919
Speaker 5: to do these stimulus checks as a source of revenue

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 5: rather than as a national security concern.

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01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is a concern too, is purely a

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 2: revenue standpoint, And so far we've had some indication that

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: the conservative justice are even pushing back on that. Amy

1511
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: Cony Barrett and Justice Chief Justice Rod John Roberts said

1512
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 2: that the vehicle is in position of taxes on Americans

1513
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: and that has always been a core power of Congress.

1514
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: Those early indicators certainly don't indicate how they're going to vote,

1515
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: because there's been times that I've thrown that out there.

1516
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 2: They're challenging it. But that if you're looking at the

1517
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: tea lives here, it doesn't bode well for this.

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01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 5: No, it doesn't because like I was, like I said,

1519
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 5: so much of this has not even been like the

1520
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 5: opposition criticizing the administration, but the administration undermining its own position.

1521
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 5: So it really does. It does get into some tricky

1522
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 5: legal battles for the administration to keep the standing. But

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01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 5: I do have to I do have to step back

1524
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,799
Speaker 5: and think these powers were passed to be very limited

1525
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 5: in times of in times of actual concerns to national security.

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01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 5: We have reached a point where Congress has seeded so

1527
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 5: much power to the executive. The point of passing that

1528
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 5: Act in nineteen seventy seven was never to institute broad

1529
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 5: sweeping powers for the executives to just simply impose and

1530
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 5: pull off and impose more tires, willy nilly. That was

1531
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 5: not what it was for. It's not what it's for now.

1532
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 5: And the country is not designed to be run by

1533
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 5: somebody who has essentially more and more unlimited power for

1534
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,839
Speaker 5: four years before an election.

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 2: If the Supreme Court rules against these terroriffts does that,

1536
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: then call them the re examination of the executive order

1537
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: power of the part of the presidency and executive. I

1538
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: mean we saw Biden and the autopen do it with impunity,

1539
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: and Trump said, well, here, hold my diet coke, watch

1540
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 2: me make a bunch of executive orders. In Congress has

1541
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 2: absolutely no. They're feckless, right, I mean, you can shut

1542
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: the government down for forty something days over god knows what.

1543
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: They can't really pass any income to conclusion, other than

1544
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 2: releasing the Epstein files because it covers their asses. But

1545
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: does this change that? How we how we maybe that

1546
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: the Congress actually is forced to do their job.

1547
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 5: I'm not optimistic on that it will limit the executive

1548
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 5: in terms of being able to do this on again,

1549
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 5: off again charade, which has reached incredible levels where it's

1550
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 5: literally back in April and May, it was every day

1551
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 5: you would open the news new tariff, and then one

1552
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 5: of those tariffs was canceled, and then the next day

1553
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 5: more tariffs. So that type of stuff would be much

1554
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 5: harder for future executives. But to your point about Biden,

1555
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 5: with the autopen and all these things, Congress has essentially feeded,

1556
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 5: like I said, so much of its own power to

1557
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 5: the executive on a broad range of issues. The Supreme

1558
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 5: Court doesn't have the ability to step in and say

1559
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 5: Congress needs to do this. It can say that the

1560
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 5: president doesn't have the ability himself to do it, but

1561
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 5: it can't make Congress do its job, and certainly, as

1562
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 5: we are seeing, Congress can't make Congress do its own job.

1563
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 5: So we are in an unfortunate position there and I'm

1564
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 5: not gone through them that will see much of an improvement.

1565
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I'm hoping anyway, uh com moran

1566
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 2: that if the if the Supreme Court rolls against him

1567
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 2: with tariffs, which we'll get into the repercussions of that

1568
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: in a second, but on a bigger scale, and that

1569
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: is limiting executive office powers and executive branch powers. That

1570
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: there's a roadblock there, and the other one is going

1571
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,600
Speaker 2: to be Venezuela at some point, I imagine you know

1572
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: that's going to come to some sort of fruition here

1573
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: because we're blowing up ships off the coast of Venezuela, which, yeah,

1574
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: allegedly drug runners, but we've had numerous studies and the

1575
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: like that have been done that says, well, Venezuela is

1576
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 2: not a drug problem. Maybe Mexico, and now he's considering

1577
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 2: other countries. So you could kind of like maybe put

1578
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 2: a couple of pillars up there, maybe a couple of

1579
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 2: speed bumps for these guys with a branch down the line.

1580
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. But relative to the ninety billion collected,

1581
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: that is another big problem there. The of course, the

1582
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: money's coming back in, but would there be a refund

1583
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 2: and how would that even work?

1584
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 5: That is an excellent question because this is something on

1585
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 5: this scale that's never been attempted before. So if these

1586
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 5: are struck down, there would have to be refunds. But

1587
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 5: depending on when this actually happens depending on if the

1588
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 5: government has spent this money. Trump is already eyeing using

1589
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 5: those funds for these two thousand dollars stimulus checks, which

1590
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 5: wouldn't even be enough to cover those by the way,

1591
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 5: but it would create a very unprecedented situation. We would

1592
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 5: have to see exactly how this plays out. But to

1593
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 5: answer your question, yes, they would have to be refunded well.

1594
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: And the other element here is if we have a

1595
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 2: thirty eight trillion dollar deficit, why are we handing out

1596
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars checks exactly?

1597
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 5: Which is part of the issue here. Again, we saw

1598
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 5: the impact back under the Biden administration, incredibly big spending

1599
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 5: and money printing in one which drive inflation up to

1600
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 5: nine percent, and we are still feeling the results of that.

1601
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 5: We're still feeling the impact of that for almost five

1602
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 5: years on now. So when the inflation goes up like that,

1603
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 5: it never comes down again. The inflation rate at which

1604
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 5: prices increase may come down, but the prices that went

1605
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 5: up they're just there and you're stuck with that. You

1606
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 5: will never see twenty nineteen prices for a lot of

1607
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 5: goods again. And that's the unfortunate reality of the money

1608
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 5: system that we have now, where we just print more

1609
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 5: and more, and almost certainly we would have to print

1610
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 5: a considerable amount of money to make these two thousand

1611
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 5: dollars checks happen. And then on top of that, Trump

1612
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 5: hates the current Federal Reserve charge your own power, who's

1613
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 5: not flallaced by any means, but he wants to replace

1614
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 5: them with somebody who's going to be even more dubbish

1615
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 5: and turning the money print is back on and just

1616
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 5: print prints.

1617
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: And you know, as someone who is I guess more

1618
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: libertarian than anything, and I just distrust government top to bottom.

1619
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: I don care my team, your team. Kind of nonsense.

1620
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: There's an apocrisy test here. So how many Republicans who

1621
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: absolutely celebrate the tariffs in all this and the bombing

1622
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: of ships off Venezuela, wouldn't they be outrage of a

1623
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: Democratic president of the same. I mean, look at this one.

1624
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 2: We talk about the Affordable Care Act, which is they're right,

1625
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: it's subsidy. You're taking taxpayer money to give other people

1626
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: a break on their healthcare. Healthcare is too damn expensive.

1627
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 2: Let's do something the lower the cost of healthcare, as

1628
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 2: opposed to just giving aid to people and redistributing wealth.

1629
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. It's too expensive, it's not a four.

1630
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 2: It doesn't make it affordable, it makes it less affordable.

1631
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: Subsidy does using that same logic, And I'm right about that.

1632
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: Republicans should be talking about what we're doing here with

1633
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: Trump and be equally outraged that now we're going to

1634
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,160
Speaker 2: take money that could go pay off the deficay and

1635
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 2: we're going to give people subsidies.

1636
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and to your point, the healthcare situation is something

1637
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 5: the GOP has basically ignored for the last a decade

1638
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 5: minimum and at this point it's reaching a breaking point

1639
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 5: where they just can't ignore it anymore. They tried to

1640
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 5: appeal and replace Obamacare in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, it

1641
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 5: went down in pretty famous ways, and the deal they

1642
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 5: wanted to pass is not a great deal to begin with.

1643
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 5: But ever since then, they just haven't tried much of anything.

1644
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 5: And the only people talking about healthcare reform now are

1645
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 5: the progressive And that's a very dangerous situation because when

1646
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 5: people when people see that their health care costs are skyrocketing,

1647
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 5: which they are, and the only people even talking about

1648
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,599
Speaker 5: it are going to be AOC and Bernie Sanders, Like

1649
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,679
Speaker 5: that is how you wind up with people like Zar

1650
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 5: Mombami is mayor, even though he doesn't have direct control

1651
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 5: over health care. People just hear these things from the

1652
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 5: left and resonate with it, and not illegitimately either because

1653
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 5: they they cannot afford these cramy surge surges in these cranses.

1654
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 5: So the GT really needs to get going on healthcare.

1655
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've said that all along, Kyle is. You know

1656
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 2: the Democrats plan is here's groupon we're going to get

1657
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 2: lower cost on your healthcare. We're gonna take something else's

1658
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 2: money and give it to you. Okay, that that's not

1659
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: a plan. That is just a band aid, is what

1660
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 2: that is. It makes things worse, not better in the

1661
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,839
Speaker 2: long run. Look what the subsidies done to the college industry.

1662
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: You know, college is out of control because the subject

1663
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 2: is the same thing. And then I look at the

1664
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 2: Republicans and it's been fifteen years. They have no answer

1665
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 2: on this. All I hear is well eat better. Well,

1666
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 2: that's okay, eat better, but don't take tayl and all. Okay,

1667
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 2: but I've got cancer now and I can't afford it.

1668
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the subsidy. That's that's what we're

1669
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: faced with.

1670
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 5: I know, it's it's absolute mannits and the talking points

1671
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 5: that they use for some of it is are legitimate.

1672
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 5: So when they were talking about not wanting any legal

1673
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 5: immigrants to be on our government subside of healthcare, this

1674
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 5: is a legitimate concern. But that is not addressing the

1675
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 5: issue that to millions of American suits and are seeing

1676
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 5: their healthcare comps go up more than double, sometimes triple

1677
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 5: over the last several years. Myself, I have seen mine

1678
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 5: go up more than doubles over the last four years.

1679
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 5: So this is unsustainable, and nobody on the right is

1680
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 5: even talking about it, let alone at proposing real plans

1681
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 5: on it.

1682
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And it was supposed to make America great again,

1683
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 2: and I think healthcare is certainly a cornerstone of that,

1684
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,520
Speaker 2: and to some degree, people like Marjorie Tayler Green are

1685
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: accurate on that one too. Let's focus on this kind

1686
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 2: of stuff. You've had fifteen years to come up with

1687
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: a plan, and there's no plan at this point. It's

1688
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: nothing but platitudes, is what I'm getting. He is a commed.

1689
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 3: People on the.

1690
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 5: Right have been attacking her over this, and I'm thinking

1691
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 5: to myself, this is this is madness. I find it incredible.

1692
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 5: I'm raising Marjorie Taylor Green of all people. But she

1693
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 5: is absolutely right about this, and I respect her toward

1694
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 5: her courage and standing up to people who are otherwise

1695
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 5: just burying their head in the stands and depending all

1696
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 5: of well, it's not And I respect the fact that

1697
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 5: she's addressing him.

1698
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 2: He is a common ran political analyst and young voice,

1699
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 2: a senior contributor, and talking about tariffs now before the

1700
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 2: Supreme Court, and a will decide whether not these are

1701
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: illegal or not. If it's a no go, we got

1702
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 2: to talk about refunding money to these countries. But you know,

1703
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 2: at the same time, you look at getting China to

1704
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: the table to kind of negotiate, look at some of

1705
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: the deals done with other countries. Would it be tough

1706
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: for the Supreme Court don do all that.

1707
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 4: Well?

1708
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 5: In terms of executive the president negotiating with foreign countries,

1709
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 5: he certainly has pretty broad powers there. But the issue

1710
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 5: is that he is currently arguing that the tariffs are

1711
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 5: for national security and in no small part using that

1712
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 5: as leverage. But the issue is that he has also

1713
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 5: made so many other statements as well as other people

1714
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 5: in his administration making other statements that directly undermine that argument,

1715
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 5: because on one day, the case will be made that

1716
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 5: we need tariff to protect American industry, the next day

1717
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 5: it will be that tariffs are needed as a temporary

1718
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 5: measure to get other countries to lower their tariffs on us,

1719
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 5: and then the day after that it will be that

1720
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 5: we need tariffs to generate revenues that we can pay

1721
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 5: off our debt. So nobody, the administration's position on this

1722
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 5: changes on the daily and it's going to be a

1723
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 5: very challenging hill for the administration to climb, given how

1724
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 5: all over the places has been.

1725
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like corporate America in a way, is

1726
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 2: that you know, we live quarter to quarter. We don't

1727
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: care about tomorrow. We just care about the bottom line today,

1728
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 2: and we may cut our nose off to spite our face,

1729
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 2: but damn it, we got to do that right now.

1730
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 2: And it's now that's permeated to politics to agree. If

1731
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 2: you think about it, is if this is allowed, you

1732
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: want and you know, Republicans will celebrate this big win

1733
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 2: by the Supreme Court and the tariffs can stand. The

1734
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 2: present can do that. Okay, great, But one of the

1735
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 2: same people will be yelling and angry about this in

1736
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,839
Speaker 2: the future next year or five years or eight whenever,

1737
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 2: and at some point a Democrat will be back in

1738
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 2: charge and maybe they go, hey, you know what, climate

1739
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 2: change is an economic emergency. We're going to impose carbon

1740
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 2: tariffs exactly.

1741
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 5: And that's why, that's why this whole system was set

1742
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 5: up not to be the way we're hurringly experiencing it,

1743
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 5: because we are. If you if you have a country

1744
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 5: in which you have radical changes of of national policy

1745
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 5: every four years, you're going to go through these wild

1746
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 5: whiplashes of of moving to the right for one administration

1747
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 5: moving to the left, and the other administration. And this

1748
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,600
Speaker 5: will happen to some extent no matter what the system is,

1749
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 5: because the executive does have some power. But it was

1750
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 5: never designed to be this wild swing between Biden comes

1751
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 5: into office and because he's president, he can do all

1752
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 5: of these far left things and open the border in

1753
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 5: at least ten million illegal immigrants, which nobody voted for.

1754
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,680
Speaker 5: Nobody voted in twenty twenty to open the border and

1755
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 5: let ten million people into the country. That was not

1756
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 5: part of the campaign. It just happened with no input

1757
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 5: from the American electorate, but despite widespread opposition to it,

1758
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 5: it just continued for three and a half years before

1759
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 5: he really tried to address them. Then Trump comes in.

1760
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 5: Nobody voted. I do not seriously believe that anyone really

1761
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 5: voted for such high tariffs on other countries. People may,

1762
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 5: as he did talk about it during a campaign to

1763
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 5: his credit on that, but I really don't think that

1764
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 5: this is my bunch of a huge point that people

1765
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 5: ended up voting on. So these these massive swings are

1766
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 5: just detrimental to the stability of our country.

1767
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are checks and balances and we need them

1768
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 2: and this will uh, this definitely will decide. It is

1769
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: a huge case before the court. He is a calm

1770
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: moran with the young voices. Thanks again, Kyle, great stuff,

1771
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1772
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having me.

1773
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will be interesting to see what the Supreme

1774
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 2: Court does. Congress, I'll silent on this one. Just out

1775
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 2: of the show. News updates as we slow it down

1776
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: here headed to Thanksgiving Day on Thursday. Short week for

1777
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 2: most of us, hopefully you too, and uh, rough weekend

1778
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 2: for sports in Cincinnati unless you are one of the

1779
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 2: team's named Xavier. It sucked largely, we'll do Bengals stuff

1780
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 2: with James Rapine from SI's Bengals Talk dot Com and

1781
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,759
Speaker 2: Lockdow Bengals a daily podcast. That's next on the Scott

1782
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 2: Sloan Show seven hundred w WELW. What a horrible weekend

1783
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 2: for since these sports, unless, of course your team had

1784
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 2: Xavier and it's name and that was pretty good. But

1785
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: you see FC and the Bengals all lost at home,

1786
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,759
Speaker 2: Bengals getting beat by the Patriots twenty six twenty Bengals

1787
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 2: fall to three and eight. Up next short week, it's

1788
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Night at Baltimore A twenty on the national stage

1789
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 2: and will we burrow or won't we borrow? We'll find out.

1790
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 2: James Rapine is here from Bengals Talk dot Com and

1791
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: the Daily Podcast Locked on Bengals. James, what an interesting

1792
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: day yesterday was. You can't help but think that if

1793
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: either Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase were in that game,

1794
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:28,799
Speaker 2: Bengals win.

1795
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 5: No doubt, no doubt that the defense did it not

1796
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 5: and they did their job. Now were they perfect? No,

1797
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 5: they weren't perfect. Some of the stuff they did give

1798
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 5: up was ridiculous. Five they had to pick six, They

1799
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 5: had multiple goal line stands where the Patriots have it

1800
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 5: inside the five and don't score on nine plays, and

1801
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 5: then on another one you hold them to three at

1802
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 5: the one yard line, you hold them to a field goal.

1803
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 5: So yeah, if you get that kind of effort on defense,

1804
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 5: the way this team is built, with Joe Burrow and

1805
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase and t Higgins up until the end, you

1806
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 5: expect to win that game. And obviously that they did.

1807
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 5: I think that's clearly a big reason why they lost

1808
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 5: the game.

1809
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 2: Well, we kind of knew Joe Burrow is up in there,

1810
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: and you know, you raid the team leaves, and the

1811
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 2: way coach was talking last week seemed to indicate like

1812
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: you think Joe Burrow is going to play, And I'm like, well,

1813
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: you know what, let's rest him. He said he was

1814
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: sore after practice, So you know, let's focus on the

1815
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: season's over for all intents and purposes. Anyway, this just

1816
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 2: seals it even more. But let's focus on the Ravens game,

1817
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 2: getting them back and getting them ready. But the big

1818
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 2: one to me was Jamar Chase. And I don't think

1819
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 2: it's lost on anyone that if Jamar starts that game,

1820
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 2: probably you got another target, especially with the injuries, Right,

1821
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 2: joshavask goes down, Higgins goes down with the concussion, and

1822
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 2: know Jamar Chase, that's a tough roat to ho even

1823
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow. But I think if Jim R. Chase

1824
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 2: were back, yeah, probably got a couple more catches, passes,

1825
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,560
Speaker 2: first downs, maybe a touchdown. I think the outcome is different.

1826
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 5: For sure, and even late, let's just say that everything

1827
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 5: happens the same. I think the offense would have been

1828
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:08,759
Speaker 5: better early in the game, but late, Zach Terrish probably

1829
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 5: far more likely to go forward on fourth and one

1830
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 5: from his own forty five if Jamar Chase is on

1831
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 5: the field, and he should have went anyway regardless. But

1832
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,719
Speaker 5: I do think right, I think Jamar makes an impact.

1833
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 5: I think Joe Blacker would have been far more in

1834
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,919
Speaker 5: rhythm early because he wasn't. And that's the difference, especially

1835
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 5: going up against a Patriots team that has won eighth

1836
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 5: straight coming in and now nine straight.

1837
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bengals offense didn't score a TD for almost

1838
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 2: an hour against the Patriots, but they weren't blown out.

1839
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's a competitive loss, but you know, the

1840
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: whole moral victory thing is it's a waste because you know,

1841
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 2: does it actually help the team move forward or is

1842
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 2: it just masking problems that won't be addressed.

1843
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think the moral vic reads are

1844
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 5: They're not a young team, they're not an up and

1845
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 5: coming team. They're a team that was supposed.

1846
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 4: To win this year.

1847
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 5: And so even on defense, right, there's there's no moral victories.

1848
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 5: Their linebackers were awful yesterday. They could not guard sountor

1849
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 5: Henry and in some pretty obvious moments had some breakdowns. Now,

1850
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 5: I do think they played much better had the defense

1851
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 5: showed up against the Jets, while they win by three scores,

1852
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 5: had that defense showed up against the Bears, I think

1853
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 5: they win that game. Right that there are reasons to

1854
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 5: buy into all. Well, maybe what Al Golden is teaching

1855
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 5: is working for everyone but the rookie linebackers, who again

1856
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 5: I think struggled mightily.

1857
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 2: Feels like Geno Stone has that one good game of

1858
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 2: year one big seven tackles, has a pick six pass

1859
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 2: the defender, he had what the tackle one fourth and

1860
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,600
Speaker 2: goal from the one yard line. He was great.

1861
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 5: He was he was great, and he deserves a ton

1862
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 5: of credit because he he played well. He heard it,

1863
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 5: he heard all the crem and I probably led the

1864
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 5: charge when it came to Geno stilling criticism and I

1865
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 5: and I'm fine with that. And guess what I want

1866
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 5: players like that that are struggling, that's how they should respond.

1867
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 5: They should respond. And I don't mean tick six. You

1868
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 5: can't really control that. Drake made through it right, the Genie.

1869
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 5: Really like the return through it right, the Geno. But

1870
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 5: on the very first player, second play from scrimmage, I

1871
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 5: noticed Geno soon his effort level in intensity, and it

1872
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 5: was its fuilt different than what I had seen, watched

1873
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 5: every staff of them all year, different than what I

1874
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 5: had seen this year. And whatever that was, that needs

1875
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 5: to be what he plays with every week. And that's

1876
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 5: what I would tell him if I'm the Bengals coaching staff.

1877
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 5: But whatever pissed him off or made him mad or

1878
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 5: whatever he played with maybe, and maybe it is just

1879
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 5: reading my criticize.

1880
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 2: Who knows.

1881
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.

1882
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 2: It's not me like a lot is absolutely you, James.

1883
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 2: They all listen to what you have to say. Your weight, carry,

1884
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: your mouth carries enough way to break an ordinary man's jaw,

1885
01:31:59,280 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: offer cry out.

1886
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 5: But but whatever it is, keep doing it, because I

1887
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 5: did notice really from the first and intensely difference with

1888
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 5: Gino's Stone, and that's how you should play on defense,

1889
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 5: especially a defense that's been back.

1890
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: James Rapen from Bengals Talk dot Com Lockdown Bengals. The

1891
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 2: Bengals lost there three and eight. Right now, Pittsburgh Baltimore

1892
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 2: up next on Thanksgiving Night. Let's go back and do

1893
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh again. Uh place, Because we're talking about Geno Stone.

1894
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 2: He was really bad against Pittsburgh, but he flashed yesterday,

1895
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Zach Tedter says that the Bengals haven't

1896
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: lost a game because of Joe Flacco yet he's now

1897
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: throwing pick sixes in consecutive weeks. His passer rating was

1898
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: just to tick over sixty three. At what point do

1899
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: you look at this and go, it's just it's untenable.

1900
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 2: There's a reason why, Zach, there's a reason why Joe

1901
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: Flacco is a backup. This is it.

1902
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, he's come back down to earth, and

1903
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 5: I do think help is a part of it. He

1904
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 5: told me he was healthy after the game, and I

1905
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 5: think that's that's relative right. A forty year old quarterback

1906
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 5: that's dealing with a throwing shoulder injury and now a

1907
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 5: finger injury. But I do think he'll be active. I

1908
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 5: do think he's been good enough to be Like when

1909
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 5: they traded for him, as you just said, this, you're

1910
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 5: going to get I think everybody in the building, I

1911
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 5: think we I think we would have all signed up

1912
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:27,680
Speaker 5: for it. And the downside is is that when he

1913
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 5: was playing that elite level of football for a few

1914
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 5: games and they were humming on offense and in a rhythm,

1915
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 5: he did not. He did not the defense needed to

1916
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 5: back him up and to get a couple more wins.

1917
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:45,680
Speaker 5: He only is one win as a Bengals quarterback. That

1918
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 5: shouldn't be the case. He shouldn't be one in five.

1919
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 5: He should probably be three and three. And that's not

1920
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,839
Speaker 5: the case. And that's unfortunate. And that's why the Bengals

1921
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 5: are never going to have a real discussion about the

1922
01:33:57,320 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 5: playoffs this year.

1923
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 2: Could they have started Joe Burrow?

1924
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:08,639
Speaker 5: I would I would have and I said that Saturday.

1925
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 5: This isn't my on sight. I get the frustration. Look,

1926
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 5: if you're bringing Joe Burrow back at all this week,

1927
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 5: and I fully expect that to be the case, why

1928
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 5: not bring him back when it's their three seven when

1929
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 5: they have an actual chance to go three and seven

1930
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 5: to five and seven in a five day stretch to

1931
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 5: get back into the playoff mix, and they would. If

1932
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 5: they were five and seven, I would consider them back

1933
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 5: in the playoffs night, except for everything that had happened. Obviously,

1934
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,560
Speaker 5: they would still need to win a bunch of games.

1935
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 5: I get it, But that's what I would have done.

1936
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 5: I said, if I'm bringing Joe Burrow back in what

1937
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 5: feels like a meaningless season, I wouldn't give him every

1938
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 5: opportunity to have a chance at making a run at it,

1939
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 5: even if it's improbable. And there are going to be

1940
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 5: people that say, well what if he wasn't ready and

1941
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 5: all of those things. Well, the difference between playing Sunday

1942
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 5: and Thursday, there's not much of one outside of a

1943
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 5: few days rest, and obviously have a short week. I

1944
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 5: get that. I get that, the concern of playing on

1945
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 5: a short week. I also think that after a couple

1946
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:11,160
Speaker 5: of full practices last week, Burrough would have been good

1947
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 5: to go, or good enough to go to play. And

1948
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 5: if you're doing that, give him a chance, because now

1949
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 5: I wouldn't personally, I wouldn't play in Thursday.

1950
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 4: Would you playing Thursday?

1951
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 5: I wouldn't. What does that do? That just puts him

1952
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 5: on the road in Baltimore, exposed against the division rival,

1953
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:27,360
Speaker 5: who knows what's going to happen. That's that's how I

1954
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 5: looked at It.

1955
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 2: Feels like, I mean, you know, okay, so you don't

1956
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 2: win out the rest of the season. They're already selling

1957
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 2: tickets at twenty percent off every long game. Now make it,

1958
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: make it half off Bogo, some sort of Bengals Bogo

1959
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 2: deal for the rest of the season. I don't get

1960
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 2: why you would put your quarterback, especially Joe Burrow, the

1961
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 2: entire operations built around him. You're going to need him

1962
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 2: healthy in the off season to work and then get

1963
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,799
Speaker 2: ready for hopefully a better twenty twenty six, a playoff

1964
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, because let's face it, you know the

1965
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 2: windows shrinking every single year. It doesn't seem prudent to

1966
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,759
Speaker 2: put the guy on the field. Why does need the rep.

1967
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I think he wants to play, right, So

1968
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 5: that's it. And look going into last week when he

1969
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 5: was really starting to make his push and I could

1970
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 5: get the sense that he was going to push to

1971
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:21,879
Speaker 5: play and play this week, I said, all right, Bengals,

1972
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 5: do one or the other pick away either say hey,

1973
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 5: you're not going to play and don't play him, which

1974
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 5: means moving forward, don't playing Thursday. Maybe you give him

1975
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,560
Speaker 5: a full week of practice ahead a buffle if you

1976
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 5: really play, but he's not going to get one real

1977
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 5: practice this week and then he's going to go play

1978
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 5: Baltimore because it's such a short week. I mean, that's

1979
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 5: a that's a really big downside to me in my mind,

1980
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 5: especially in the gamement. What are you going to get

1981
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 5: to four and eight? You know that's and so that

1982
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 5: to me, there's enough risk involved there where I would

1983
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 5: be super cautious and pull him completely back or go

1984
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 5: the other way and say, hey, you know what, we

1985
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 5: have a shot at this. Joe feels good enough, he

1986
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 5: wants to play, let's go play, and let's try to

1987
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 5: get back in this thing. And they kind of the

1988
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 5: answer for them was in the middle. And I hate

1989
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 5: the middle. You'd never want to be in the middle.

1990
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 5: In the middle is usually the wrong place to be.

1991
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 5: And I think that's where they're going to end up,

1992
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 5: because they'll end up with, you know, five or six

1993
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 5: wins with Joe Burrow playing dumb straight.

1994
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 2: And it's how developed down the receiver. So Jamar Chase

1995
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,879
Speaker 2: out with the suspension. He'll be back for Thursday night football.

1996
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 2: Now t Higgins isn't the concussion protocol. He didn't look

1997
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 2: good on the sideline when he was sitting on the cart.

1998
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked if we were a bit back. I

1999
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 2: don't know. Jose Vask got hurt. That doesn't look good.

2000
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: How good was Mitchell Tinsley?

2001
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 3: Though?

2002
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 5: Good, really good? And Mitch Tinsley is like he's a

2003
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 5: real guy. He needs to get more reps. I think

2004
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 5: that's what we learned yesterday. I know he splashed down

2005
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 5: the class in the preseason last earlier this year, I'm

2006
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 5: I'm of the belief now after what he did game

2007
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,519
Speaker 5: on the line, no one had really made a play.

2008
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 5: He made plays. You need Mitch Tinsley to get more reps,

2009
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 5: and I hope he gives them. I really do, because

2010
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 5: he's he's kind of a matter of fact, no nonsense,

2011
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 5: work really hard, do what it will with's asked, and

2012
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 5: when you do throw the ball his way, he's going

2013
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 5: to do everything. He can't get it. Like I just

2014
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 5: described the receiver, you want every single receiver to be.

2015
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 5: Whether his attitude is pulling this to block all of

2016
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 5: those things. So, yeah, Mitch Tinsley, I would expect him

2017
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 5: to be part of that Joe Burrow target share on

2018
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 5: Thursday at Baltimore.

2019
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 2: Well, sure as hell, isn't Jermaine Burton an active twelfth

2020
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 2: consecutive game. You thought they'd elevate you. Is he done

2021
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati? And if so, what does that say about

2022
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 2: how the team evaluates how they draft, because that's really

2023
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 2: the issue here were specially when it comes to the defense.

2024
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,800
Speaker 5: Oh, it ps me he's done. It tells me he's done.

2025
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 5: If you can't get on the field and your team

2026
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 5: is longing to roll with four wide receivers active over

2027
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 5: activating you, it certainly tells me he's done. And they wished,

2028
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:09,600
Speaker 5: they wished gay time on this pick. Maybe maybe he

2029
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 5: catches on somewhere else and it worked. Clearly it hasn't

2030
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 5: worked here.

2031
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 2: James E. Bengals defense has been battered all season. Last

2032
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 2: couple of games are starting to put it together, and

2033
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 2: you got to give credit recordits down linebackers, different story,

2034
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 2: but man at run defense was pretty good yesterday. It

2035
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 2: wasn't bad, right, unbelievable.

2036
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 5: I'm unbelievable to say that the run defense was all right,

2037
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 5: how about that? Where where was this a month ago?

2038
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 5: When dancing on the grade and that's what was happening.

2039
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 5: We just didn't know what.

2040
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 2: It's crazy, right, it's crazy. It's crazy how the script

2041
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 2: flip too, because the defense and now now the offense

2042
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:43,719
Speaker 2: is the problem.

2043
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 5: Got so offensive scored twenty five points in the last

2044
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 5: two games. You think about it, they had yesterday they

2045
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 5: had thirteen on offense and uh in last week when

2046
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 5: they had twelve against the Steelers. I mean they just

2047
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 5: for all all the people that said the offense wasn't

2048
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 5: the problem we had nowadays you know it's Uh, it's

2049
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 5: just this never ending circle of a season where it's

2050
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 5: offense is at an issue than it is then it's not.

2051
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 5: Now it's the defense. Now the defense is better, but

2052
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 5: the offense isn't.

2053
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how that happened.

2054
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,759
Speaker 5: I don't know a wheel and tell me what happens

2055
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 5: on Thursday.

2056
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 2: And the defensive player's probably given Jamar side Jamar Chase

2057
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: side eye right now for his comments like taking shots

2058
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 2: at the defense, and it's like, okay, were you a

2059
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: big boy?

2060
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 5: Yeah? Wow, yeah, I mean that's something else. It really

2061
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 5: it's forth mooting the jamar Fitgate loss of him in

2062
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 5: that potentially costing.

2063
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 2: Them that game. I would agree. I'd agree that's going

2064
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 2: to hang over his head and hopefully, you know, you'll

2065
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 2: learn from it. And I hate to say that because

2066
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 2: it sounds so cliche, but he seems like the guy

2067
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 2: that that would take that to heart and go kay

2068
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 2: can be unlike Jermaine Burton, different story. I'm not expecting

2069
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,960
Speaker 2: much Thursday night changed. I'm not expecting much even if

2070
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow does start.

2071
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, it's so tough because I I think I'll

2072
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 5: just called Joe Burrow in high regard, and I think

2073
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 5: there's some that you necessarily, but I think there's some

2074
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 5: people that had forgot what he means and how important

2075
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 5: he is, and so like, am I going to count

2076
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:15,480
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow out in Baltimore?

2077
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:15,600
Speaker 4: Like?

2078
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 5: Hell no? But that that's also why I would have

2079
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 5: played him against the Patriots. I would have said, hey, Joe,

2080
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 5: it's a tall task. We're willing to do this if

2081
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 5: you are, and he would have said, hell yeah, I'm

2082
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 5: willing to do this five days to try to stay

2083
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 5: of our season and get us to five and seven.

2084
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 5: And you know, I think He's going to have that

2085
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:35,759
Speaker 5: team fired up. They will be fired up. The problem

2086
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 5: is a Baltimore needs that game too.

2087
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Lamar's back too. That's the big one. Lamar's

2088
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 2: back and he's you know what he can do. So

2089
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,400
Speaker 2: James Rapine over at Bengals Talk dot Com and the

2090
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 2: Lockdown Bengals Only Daily Bengals podcast, James, all the best,

2091
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 2: All right, have a great holiday. I know you're on

2092
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 2: the road for this one, and we'll catch up in

2093
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.

2094
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 5: You don't trust the Bengals lining actors against Lamar?

2095
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't see them, you know, that close against

2096
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 2: New England. So what do we know?

2097
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: You know?

2098
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the high flying New England Patriots. Drake

2099
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 2: May looked, it looked like Joe Flacco for most of

2100
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 2: the first half of the entirety of the first quarter.

2101
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 2: So who the hell know is what's going to happen?

2102
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:14,520
Speaker 2: All the best, buddy, Appreciate.

2103
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 5: You, Thank God, appreciate you.

2104
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:18,360
Speaker 2: All Right, there you go, I've got a holiday weekend

2105
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 2: coming up and got Thursday night football, Bengals. Have some turkey,

2106
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: have some more turkey. Stuff yourself silly. If the game's terrible,

2107
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 2: have even more turkey, and just fall asleep. That's how

2108
01:42:29,479 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 2: it works. Willie is on the way next on the

2109
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 2: home of the best Bengals coverage seven hundred w W

2110
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:34,080
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