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Speaker 1: Chick laud wigon seven hundred WLW. This is sports Talk.

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Speaker 1: Russ Jackson is tonight's producer. Like Eric Carmon and the

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Speaker 1: Raspberries were going all the way to eight o'clock, that's

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Speaker 1: when NFL takes over these airwaves. It's wild Card weekend.

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Speaker 1: The Rams and Panthers are tied at seventeen right now,

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Speaker 1: and tonight you'll be able to listen to the pack

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Speaker 1: at the Bears. And in a game you just heard

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW, the Xavier Musketeers captured their first

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Speaker 1: home Big East victory with a ninety seven to eighty

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Speaker 1: four win over Providence at Sentas Center. And in a

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Speaker 1: football game you watched last night on ESPN, the Indiana

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Speaker 1: Hoosiers earned a berth in the College Football Playoff National

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Speaker 1: Championship Game, which will take place on Monday night, by

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Speaker 1: destroying the Oregon Ducks in the semifinal at the Chick

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Speaker 1: fil A Peach Bowl in Atlanta. And here to talk

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Speaker 1: to us about it, I'm all excited to bring in

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Speaker 1: our first guest. He comes right over from the control

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Speaker 1: room here at seven hundred WLW. It's an honor, pleasure

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Speaker 1: and privilege to welcome in shoeless Joe Waddell of Saintax

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Speaker 1: High School, Indiana University School of Journalism grad. Joe, we

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Speaker 1: we're texting last night. It was about five o'clock. You said,

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: You gotta be pumped. Honor, pleasure and privileged.

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Speaker 1: Come on, you're being too kind to.

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Speaker 3: Me, all right?

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Speaker 1: Man? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean I told people that obviously knew that this

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Speaker 4: about on these very airwaves before. I've seen some bad

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Speaker 4: football in my life, some very very very bad football

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Speaker 4: between going to the Indiana games obviously pre Signetti as

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Speaker 4: a student and you know some of the Bengals years.

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Speaker 4: this quickly into this extent as the Indiana Hoosiers have.

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Speaker 1: No This is uh, it really is unbelievable. He brought

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Speaker 1: in a lot of players from James Madison yep. And

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Speaker 1: mean he wants football players. He's got them. He's got ah.

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Speaker 1: He's got an older roster. I think they average about

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Speaker 1: the veterans with newcomers. And man, there's a ton of

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Speaker 1: Indiana University. I guess it's just unreal. This is the uh.

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Speaker 1: They're the most exciting team. And we talked about this Joe,

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Speaker 1: the most complete team, and I'm calling them the sexiest

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Speaker 1: They are now.

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Speaker 4: It took a while for him to wake up, but

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Speaker 4: they're here now, and I love seeing all the attention

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Speaker 4: They didn't really start believing until we beat Ohio State

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Speaker 4: this year in the Big Ten Championship.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of that game, I was thinking and hit

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Speaker 1: Ludwig Household. Understandable, Ohio State loses to Indiana and the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship thirteen to ten. So with Indiana blowing

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Speaker 4: That's what they've done, you know, ever since other than

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Speaker 4: when I think they just got out talented.

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Speaker 1: That's what they do.

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Speaker 4: They force you to play their game, and with their

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Speaker 4: And like their ceder Pat Cougan, the Notre Dame transfer said,

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's what they do. They'll hold you under. They

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Speaker 4: And even if it's like you said, Ohio State thirteen

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Speaker 1: And they just take the will out of the other team.

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Speaker 4: That's I'm seeing a lot of conversation about is this

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Speaker 4: And I guess in a sense it is, But.

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Speaker 1: Indiana fans travel pretty well. Yeah, yeah, so we saw

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Speaker 4: Atlanta, I think that's going to be a different story

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Speaker 1: I think there might be. That's huge. And even though

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Speaker 1: And if Indiana can win this game, Joe, think about this, Michigan,

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Speaker 4: Not just three Big Ten teams, three different Big Ten teams.

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Speaker 4: If Indiana can pull this off, and I think that

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Speaker 4: You've got teams that obviously you know, Indiana didn't lose

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Speaker 1: Could you wrap your head around the Rose Bowl? That

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Speaker 4: It was about as good of an outcome as I

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Speaker 1: How about last night the first play from scrimmage the

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Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks picked six for the Indiana Hoosiers. You couldn't

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Speaker 4: No, the very first play of the game, and you

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Speaker 4: And from that point on, I think it honestly set

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Speaker 4: Saws what happened, because that's how they're playing right now.

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Speaker 1: We saw Indiana score on really several short fields mistakes

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Speaker 1: And what can you say about Fernando Mendoza. I mean,

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Speaker 4: That's the word a lot of media figures use after

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Speaker 1: I think his accuracy is just uncanny, it's fantastic, and

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Speaker 4: That's something that a lot of people, you know, when

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Speaker 4: You throw a blitz, he's going to throw the ball

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Speaker 4: that's one of the biggest reasons he's probably going to

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Speaker 4: that that you mentioned. Now, you got out of Indiana University,

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Speaker 4: what year I was a twenty twenty four grad. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so early on in your tenure there in Bloomington, you

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Speaker 4: could have probably just walked into Memorial Stadium for five

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Speaker 4: or ten bucks probably now now, oh it's on.

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Speaker 1: Us, I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I know some people actually that Back in

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think we're going to see a great game,

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Speaker 1: Time, fantastic Joe. And when we return, this is the

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Speaker 1: holiday and I forget, but yeah, it was tough getting

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Speaker 2: Well, it definitely had a intimidating effect on the San

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Speaker 1: What's incredible, Reggie is you know we hear Dan Fouts

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Speaker 3: That was such a big play.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and he is no longer with it, but he.

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Speaker 1: Rich Reggie Williams, Bengals legend, played his entire career with

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Speaker 3: You know, God bless him. He has also left this earth.

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Speaker 1: Reggie Williams sixteen interceptions, twenty three fumble recoveries still a

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Speaker 2: Joe Montana was a great adversary. The fact that he

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Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl sixteen against the forty nine ers every.

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Speaker 2: Time I start shivering, which is unusual here in Florida,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't happen.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I stay in Florida, you know.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, it was mind over matter

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Speaker 2: and it.

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Speaker 3: Was something that.

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Speaker 2: You know, drove teammates together forever, and so it's something

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Speaker 2: that I appreciate, you know, remembering, you know, all those

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Speaker 2: players that played that game and brought Cincinnati their very first.

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl should all be remembered in some way, shape

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Speaker 3: or form.

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Speaker 1: Reggie Williams the NFL Man of the Year in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty six before it was named the Walter Payton Man

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Speaker 1: of the Year. But that trophy means the world to you,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it, Reggie?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it does, so I have it in a prime

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Speaker 2: location in my home, and you know, the very first day,

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Speaker 2: and I just wrote this story on Facebook recently. On

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Speaker 2: the very first day that I found out that Monday

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Speaker 2: that I was going to make the Cincinnati Bengals team

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Speaker 2: as a rookie, I went to the payphone, looked at

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Speaker 2: the Yellow Pages and found the number for the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Speech and Hearing Center and I volunteered on that very first.

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Speaker 3: Day, before I even tried to find an apartment.

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Speaker 2: And so I've been committed to trying to give back

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Speaker 2: because as a kid, I went.

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Speaker 3: To Michigan School for the Deaf and Dusk and.

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Speaker 2: So committed to giving me everything that could, including a

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Speaker 2: quality education to dart MC college be sure that I'd

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Speaker 2: have the best opportunity. And so when I became a

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengal, I wanted to give back and it did

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Speaker 2: result in a lot of recognition, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: encourage every player to really commit themselves to the community

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Speaker 2: that they play professional football at.

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Speaker 1: Reggie was a six foot one, two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: eight pound linebacker. He is seventy one years old, the

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Speaker 1: same as Chick Ludwig nineteen seventy six grand from the

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Speaker 1: Ohio State University were the same age, Reggie and followed

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Speaker 1: your career closely. It's just an incredible, incredible career. And

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Speaker 1: I am banging the drum for the Bengals to put

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Speaker 1: you in the Ring of Honor. And we can't forget

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Speaker 1: the legends who built this franchise.

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Speaker 2: Well, I won't argue with that sentiment. You know, no

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Speaker 2: one wants to be forgotten. You know said when you're

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Speaker 2: playing the game fifty nine degrees below zero, you know, bear,

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Speaker 2: are all of the nominees deserve induction in the Ring

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Speaker 2: of Honor in the Cincinnati I mean, the Pittsburgh Fields

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Speaker 2: have over fifty players in their Ring of Honor. There

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Speaker 2: are so many deserving players that are dying now, you know,

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Speaker 2: like Bob Trumpy unfortunately passed away, and Ken Rowley died

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Speaker 2: before this program even started. So, you know, Jim Breaches,

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Speaker 2: our leading scorer, Lewis Breenen, who had just talked about

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Speaker 2: you know who's scored the you know, longest interception in

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Speaker 2: Bengals history, isn't even nominated. The guy that I learned

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Speaker 2: playing middle linebacker and playing linebacker in the NFL, Jim Leclair,

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Speaker 2: isn't nominated.

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Speaker 3: And so there's there's there.

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Speaker 2: Max Montoya, who liked myself, and Chris Convert played in

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Speaker 2: two Super Bowls for the Bengals, are not nominated.

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Speaker 3: So no one wants to be bitter, you know at

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Speaker 3: this you.

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Speaker 2: Know, time in their life when they're elderly and they're

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Speaker 2: nursing their their injuries and maybe you know, dealing with

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Speaker 2: a few concussions, and you'd like to be remembered proudly

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Speaker 2: because you played with pride so long. So this process,

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Speaker 2: you know, when people die before they can be honored,

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Speaker 2: obviously has a problem.

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Speaker 1: Reggie, before I let you go, Uh, can the Bengals

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Speaker 1: get their defense turned around and get back to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs in one year next year?

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Speaker 2: It depends on what happens in the draft, and it

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Speaker 2: depends on how many players, if any, hold out during

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Speaker 2: the off season. I thought Henderson's hold out, even though

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he you know, hopefully you know what satisfied.

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Speaker 3: The result, it uh, you know, affected the whole team. So, uh,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of factors to go on.

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Speaker 2: You know, you still the Cincinnati Pingals. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: still the only team I ever played for, the only

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Speaker 2: team I'll root for, the only team that deserves, in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, to be Super Bowl champion. So hopefully next

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Speaker 2: year will be the year and Joe Burrow will play

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Speaker 2: even better than he did when he took the team

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Speaker 2: to their first Super Bowl under his.

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Speaker 1: And Reggie, it's always awesome being with you and I

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us here on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chick, I always love being on the big

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Speaker 2: one WLW. Thanks Chick for all of your support of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengal football.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Reggie, all the best will be

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Speaker 1: in touch. Thank you. And this is sports Talk. We're

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Speaker 1: going all the way to eight o'clock. When we come

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Speaker 1: back after the bottom of the hour. News. Got to

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Speaker 1: get a few things off my chest. On seven hundred WLW,

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Speaker 1: seven point thirty six in the Queen City of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: Chick Ludwig, seven hundred WLW, this is sports Talk. We're

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Speaker 1: going to the top of the hour and that's when

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Speaker 1: NFL takes over these airwaves. It's wild Card weekend. You

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Speaker 1: will hear the Packers at the Bears, and right now

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Speaker 1: here's a good one going on in Carolina. The Panthers

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Speaker 1: have a thirty one to twenty seven lead over the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams. At the two minute warning. The Rams

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Speaker 1: are driving first and ten at their own forty six

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Speaker 1: yard line, so can Matt Stafford needs a touchdown to

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Speaker 1: beat the Panthers. But the Panthers are hanging tough here

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Speaker 1: with a four point lead at the two minute warning.

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Speaker 1: And then you'll hear the Packers and Bears from Soldier

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Speaker 1: Field afterward. Let's go out to the phones. Greg's been

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Speaker 1: waiting a while. I want to get to my buddy

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Speaker 1: Greg up in Michigan. Greg. Can we put Greg on there?

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Greg?

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Speaker 6: Hey, cappy, new year, mister positive boomshaka laca right back,

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Speaker 6: Thank you, buddy. I love your energy. You know I

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Speaker 6: love you. I gotta ask you. Do my Bills have.

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Speaker 5: A chance against the Jags or are they a little

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Speaker 5: bit too strong in so many ways? And can Josh?

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Speaker 5: I don't think Josh can do it all by himself.

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Speaker 5: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: It's a It's a huge game, no doubt. And Sean

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Speaker 1: McDermott's jobs the Bills head coach really could be on

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Speaker 1: the line here. I'm rooting for the Bills if the

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Speaker 1: if the Bengals can't win this Super Bowl, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for the Buffalo Bills. I think it's their year

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Speaker 1: to get back there against the to me, the Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 1: So I think they can do it. I really do your.

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Speaker 3: Lips to GUIDs Ears, I hope it's.

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Speaker 1: Yourself all right, right back at your Greg, all right.

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Speaker 1: I honestly believe that Zach Taylor remains the head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals for two reasons. The first reason

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Speaker 1: is the Redeemer Mike Brown. He has a lot of

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Speaker 1: patients with head coaches and it stems from his dad,

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Speaker 1: the immortal Paul Brown, getting fired by the Art Modell

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Speaker 1: as head coach of the Cleveland Browns after the nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty two season. It devastated Paul. He he went back

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Speaker 1: to his bungalow in San Diego in La Jolla, California

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Speaker 1: and started plotting a comeback that resulted in the birth

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Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals. But Mike Brown has a, like

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Speaker 1: I said, a tremendous amount of patience with his head coaches.

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Speaker 1: Gives them a lot of rope, a lot of room.

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Speaker 1: But it's been three years now, three consecutive years without

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Following the bengals third bid to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and I have to admit that if the Bengals get

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Speaker 1: off to a slow start next year one, in three,

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Speaker 1: two and five, that there will be a coaching change

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Speaker 1: mid season. Now, a lot of people say Mike Brown

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Speaker 1: doesn't like to make changes in season. It's happened three times.

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Speaker 1: Tiger Bill Johnson fired for Homer Rice Dave Shula let

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Speaker 1: go after a loss to the San Francisco forty nine

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Speaker 1: Ers out on the Coast, replaced by Bruce Coslet, and

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Speaker 1: then Bruce Coslet resigned three games into the two thousand

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Speaker 1: season when Dick LeBeau took over as head coach. So

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Speaker 1: it has happened in season. It could happen again, and

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Speaker 1: I think it will happen again if the Bengals get

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Speaker 1: off to a slow start. Can the Bengals defense get

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Speaker 1: turned around in one year? So many people say no,

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Speaker 1: they're a year, two, three away. It can get done

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Speaker 1: in a year. Like Reggie Williams said, it all depends

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Speaker 1: on the draft and free agency. In an ideal world,

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Speaker 1: with Orlando Brown having one year remaining on his contract,

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Speaker 1: is the left offensive tackle for the Bengals. I envision

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Speaker 1: a second round tackle being drafted. Every other position needs

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Speaker 1: to be defense in this year's draft. The defensive line

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Speaker 1: absolutely has to be reworked, rebuilt, and improved. You need

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Speaker 1: a stronger push up the middle and definitely more rush

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Speaker 1: from the edge. That will help tremendously because we all

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Speaker 1: know that a pass rush is paramount. To help the secondary,

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Speaker 1: they don't have to cover as long. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams score a touchdown with thirty eight seconds

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Speaker 1: to go, and now they lead the Carolina Panthers thirty

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Speaker 1: four to thirty one with thirty eight seconds to go.

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Speaker 1: Could they pull off? Can the Panthers pull off this

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Speaker 1: miracle and tie the game with a field goal? Is

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Speaker 1: coming down to the last few seconds here, but the

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Speaker 1: Rams have a thirty four to thirty one lead with

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Speaker 1: thirty eight seconds to go. Also, put your thumb and

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Speaker 1: forefinger together, and that's how close the Cincinnati Reds were

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Speaker 1: to signing Kyle Schwarber. I think it's a monumental mistake

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Speaker 1: on the Reds part that they didn't land Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 1: In one of these days, I will forgive the Reds

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Speaker 1: for not signing Schwarves, but it won't be anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: The Middletown native's dream was to play for his hometown team.

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Speaker 1: He gave the Reds first DIBs for his services as

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Speaker 1: a free agent this year. And I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 1: from all the folks I've talked to in Middletown, you

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Speaker 1: put your thumb and forefinger an inch apart, and that's

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Speaker 1: how close they were. And then everything imploded as Cincinnati's

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Speaker 1: offer fell short. I'm getting messages that Schwarber used the

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Speaker 1: Reds as leverage. No possible way, no way. Schwarbs was

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Speaker 1: almost a Baltimore oriole Their bags were packed for Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: But then the Philadelphia Philly stepped forward with a five year,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollar deal, and Kyle Schwarber

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Speaker 1: decided to stay in Philadelphia. To me, the Reds failed

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Speaker 1: to see him as a worthy investment, the ideal cleanup

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Speaker 1: hitter behind Elie de la Cruz, who would have packed

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Speaker 1: Great American Ballpark. He would have his salary, he would

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Speaker 1: have paid for itself. And then suddenly the Reds offer

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Speaker 1: five years at one hundred and twenty five million. All

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, that money has disappeared, and a whole

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Speaker 1: remains in the middle of the Reds batting order, and

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Speaker 1: a whole remains in Red's fans' hearts, including mine. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a break, and then we're gonna come back

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Speaker 1: and take your calls Harold in Westchester, Jimmy and Richmond, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: When we return. This is Chick Ludwig Sports Talk seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW, Los Angeles. Rams are ready to go into

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Speaker 1: the victory formation. With a thirty four to thirty one

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Speaker 1: victory over the Carolina Panthers. A Carolina wide receiver dropped

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Speaker 1: a first down pass game over. Let's go out to

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Speaker 1: the phones and welcome in Harold in Westchester, Hi.

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Speaker 7: Harold, Hey, hey Chick, Happy New Year. How you doing?

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Speaker 1: Right back at you, Harold, Thanks, man doing well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I like while the break was going on, I was

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Speaker 7: watching the fourth down on the on the Panthers and

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Speaker 7: Rams and Ryce Young just had the receiver and Strade

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Speaker 7: just couldn't even secure the catch and just turned his

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Speaker 7: head just right before he even looked ahead for the

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Speaker 7: ball or for the.

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Speaker 3: First or for the first time.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and and yeah, that's got to be Harvar great moon.

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Speaker 7: Now to go to what I was gonna call about,

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Speaker 7: It's really not surprising that you see another season like

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Speaker 7: this go away, especially after Joe got hurt with the

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Speaker 7: turf toe, and I was I was real optimistic about

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Speaker 7: Jake Browning because he did let that let that ninety

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Speaker 7: yard game winning drive against Jacksonville. And then all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden things just start to fall apart. Almost every

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Speaker 7: single game with Jake Brownie, you had turnovers after turnovers,

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Speaker 7: and then finally after the line game, we just had enough.

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Speaker 7: And then incomes Joe Flacco. He didn't have a good win,

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Speaker 7: good game to start. Then eventually he got better, but

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Speaker 7: then the defense just couldn't even finish. And yeah, and

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Speaker 7: then and then you got the Jets. Yeah, the Bengals

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Speaker 7: had a double digit lead in the fourth quarter and

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Speaker 7: you can even run three run plays to run down

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Speaker 7: the clock because they ran three three straight pass plays.

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Speaker 7: And what's crazy about this is the Bengals are the

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Speaker 7: only team to lose it to Jets and.

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Speaker 3: Not have their head could fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to have Justin Fields take the Bengals apart,

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Speaker 1: that was that crush. And this was coming off the

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Speaker 1: victory on Thursday night over the Pittsburgh Steelers. You're looking

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Speaker 1: anew to the Jets and the Chicago Bears, and you

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Speaker 1: had both games virtually won and given away an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: comeback against the Bears, and to have Caleb Williams, you know,

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Speaker 1: work his magic that final minute and not be able

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Speaker 1: to tackle Colston Loveland at midfield and he takes it

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Speaker 1: to the house and absolute pleasure both those games. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think Caleb Williams might paint his nails ice cold,

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Speaker 7: because that's literally Oliet has been throughout this entire season

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Speaker 7: and he's playing like a legitimate number one pick. And

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Speaker 7: I was watching a little bit of the pregame of

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Speaker 7: the Bears and Packers. Already there was a little tensions

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Speaker 7: going on before the game, but the officials.

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Speaker 1: Gotten the way of that.

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Speaker 7: But the way I think what the Bengals should really

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Speaker 7: do is that I think they really need to be

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Speaker 7: a little bit more aggressive. They were in free agency

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Speaker 7: like they were during the twenty twenty one offseason, getting

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Speaker 7: Trey Henderson, Mike Hilton, Cheetah Bay Woozia and bring it

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Speaker 7: and bringing Von Belt back and then you just got

697
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Speaker 7: all this young talent, including the kicker Evan McPherson, who

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Speaker 7: was so clutch and sensational even throughout the entire postseason.

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Speaker 1: Because I think.

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Speaker 7: What they really need to do is to go after

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Speaker 7: a guy who is like Trey Henderson, like the type

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Speaker 7: of player that he was, even though Henderson's gonna be

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Speaker 7: gone and I wish in the best of luck, but

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Speaker 7: I just really wish that they could be aggressive for

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Speaker 7: free agency this offseason like they were in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 7: because the only person that angles got the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and they had everybody the year of the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: They had everybody in camp, uh pulling the same uh,

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Speaker 1: pulling the same rope the same way.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Get everybody in and but if there's contract disputes and

712
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Speaker 1: guys holding out, you know, it just disrupts. Uh, it

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Speaker 1: disrupts a team. So yeah, get everybody in for the

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Speaker 1: OTAs and be pulling on the same the same side.

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Speaker 1: And I think they can get it turned around in

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Speaker 1: a year. I really do, because all the defense needs

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Speaker 1: is to be half way decent because you've got an awesome,

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Speaker 1: awesome offense.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And what what the defense also needs to do

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Speaker 7: is they need to be able to learn to wrap

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Speaker 7: tackles and not just do a light tap and then

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Speaker 7: just let the Bears tight end just waltz in for

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Speaker 7: an easy touchdown, which should have been an easy tackle

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Speaker 7: because you tackle him in bounds clock runs and the

725
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 7: game is almost sober from there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what should have happened.

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Speaker 1: Wrap up, don't don't put a shoulder into somebody. They

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Speaker 1: bounce right off of it. So you're right, Yeah, you're right, Harold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And even if you replace Zach Taylor, who do you

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Speaker 7: think you're going to get besides John Harbor Ryer, who's

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Speaker 7: getting a number of calls yes after he was fired

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Speaker 7: from Bolton.

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Speaker 1: Hey, the one guy, the one guy that I love

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Speaker 1: on the Bengals coaching staff is Darren Simmons, the special

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Speaker 1: teams coach. If John Harball, who was a special teams

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Speaker 1: coach in Philly, if he can get elevated to a

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Speaker 1: head coaching job, Darren Simmons, he is. He's an incredible person.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that would be the guy that I would

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Speaker 7: hire as a angles head coach because of the way

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Speaker 7: he elevates. I mean, look at how many special teams

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Speaker 7: touchdowns we've had since he's been here.

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Speaker 1: All right, Uh, hey, appreciate it to Harold. We got

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Speaker 1: to run, all right?

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Speaker 3: And uh.

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Speaker 1: Can we do Jimmy here in Uh? Okay, Jimmy and Richmond, Indiana.

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00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 3: Hi, Jimmy'll be quick here.

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Speaker 8: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Sure? Yeah, Jimmy, Uh, I love

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Speaker 3: your show.

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00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: I'd love to.

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00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 8: See you sports talk.

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00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: You need to take care for sports talk.

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00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: Oh well, appreciate that.

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00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 8: Yes, yes you will, Yes you can. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm stay lane, Jimmy, I am staying in my lane.

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Speaker 8: We'll get in another light. Didn't be sports soft ahead

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00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 8: of sports salt in my opinion, Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you sir much.

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Speaker 8: We'll forget about pet. But Schwarmer, Yeah, they're missing the

761
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 8: boat here. He's gonna bring in a lot of people.

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Speaker 8: I haven't been I'm a farmer. I'm up in Indiana.

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Speaker 8: I've been the game two years. If he was there,

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Speaker 8: I would I know, it come down five or six

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Speaker 8: times anyway.

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Speaker 1: He would have electrified. He would have electrified this fan

767
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: based Jimmy and I was there. I was there in

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00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: the Crosley Room at Riverfront Stadium the night Ken Griffy

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Speaker 1: Junior signed in That place was packed, it was hot.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, man, it was just unbelievable. And it and

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Speaker 1: this would approach that had he signed here.

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Speaker 8: There's dollars, Yeah, there's dollars. I know we don't understand,

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00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 8: but just on the outside looking in. Uh that yeah,

774
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Speaker 8: that he would have paid for himself. One more question,

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Speaker 8: I get off the hair.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 8: I didn't understand the last game, the Bengals game with Cleveland,

778
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Speaker 8: why Cleveland was penalized for celebrating when they dove the

779
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 8: dove into the end zone and they get fifteen yards

780
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 8: right away? I didn't understand that. I'm all hang out.

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Speaker 8: Can you explain that?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Uh, they were you know, yeah, they got penalized both

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Speaker 1: times for the defensive touchdowns for their excessive celebration. Okay,

785
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: but they didn't get penalized when the entire team left

786
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: the bench came out onto the field to celebrate the

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Speaker 1: sack record.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, can you explain that? Can explain the defensive touchdown penalty?

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Speaker 8: I don't understand it. Why was that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I just believe that the officials felt that it

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Speaker 1: was excessive.

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Speaker 3: So it's the no fun kind of celebrating Jimmy.

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Speaker 8: There's all kind of celebrations going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jimmy right away, So as.

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Speaker 8: He dove in under the end zone, they're a flag.

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Speaker 8: I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, it's the it's the no fun league. That's

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Speaker 1: that's all I can say, and it's up to the

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Speaker 1: discretion of the officials.

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Speaker 8: I don't think you know either.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't really don't.

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Speaker 8: They just dove in there and I don't. Can somebody

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Speaker 8: explain that here and I'll hang up here. Maybe one

805
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 8: of your callers can explain it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and when you show up your opponent that that

807
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: factors into So Jimmy, I'm gonna leave it at that. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It.

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Speaker 1: I was just upset over the entire team of the

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns coming out onto the field and even the

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Speaker 1: official gave a high five to the Bengals to the

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Speaker 1: Browns player, and uh, I just thought that was way

813
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: over the top. Bengals coaches weren't warned that, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, we're gonna call a time out here

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Speaker 1: for this celebration. And then Miles Garrett gets carried off

816
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Speaker 1: the field by his teammates.

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Speaker 3: And I said it on.

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Speaker 1: Postgame Sports Talk that day with David Fulcher. There was

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Speaker 1: no clock stoppage when Corey Dillon ran for two hundred

820
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Speaker 1: and seventy eight yards, setting an NFL single game record.

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Speaker 1: So it's all it's the shield, It's the No Fun League. Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank our guests tonight Joe Waddell talking

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Speaker 1: to Indiana Hoosiers, and the great Reggie Williams, linebacker extraordinary

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Speaker 1: for the Cincinnati Bengals for fourteen years. Hey, coming up

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Speaker 1: NFL football, Packers and Bears. I'll be back tomorrow on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW with a little double shift from three

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Speaker 1: to four thirty before UC basketball at UCF and then

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Speaker 1: seven thirty to eight thirty after the game. I want

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Speaker 1: to thank Russ Jackson, our producer, and until tomorrow. This

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Speaker 1: is the Chickster chick Ludwig saying thanks for listening. This

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Speaker 1: is seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, the home of the best Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Combridge