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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR Now more of the

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Speaker 1: WOR Saturday Morning Show and Larry Mante Welcome back. The

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Speaker 1: US government now calls UFOs UAPs, So why the change?

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Speaker 1: Well for that we go to futurist reporter Kevin Sirilli.

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Speaker 1: He's now host of iHeartMedia's new daily podcast, Hello Future

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Sirilli. A new podcast is designed to make big,

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Speaker 1: forward looking topics fast, smart and accessible to mainstream audiences.

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Speaker 1: You mean, so I'll even understand what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you Larry for that. That's the goal.

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Speaker 2: That's the goal. But it's been so much fun. We've

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Speaker 2: just done our first week and everyone, thank you to

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Speaker 2: iHeart and everyone. It's been so much fun working with iHeart,

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Speaker 2: and you know, we tackle really big issues like colonizing Mars,

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Speaker 2: going to the mood, but also why you should care

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Speaker 2: about it. One of my favorite episodes this week was

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Speaker 2: with the CEO he's thirty seven years old, of this

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Speaker 2: startup company that creates civilization starter kits, and what it

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Speaker 2: is is a data center in a box. And he's

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Speaker 2: explaining to me that and I'm sitting there like I

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Speaker 2: don't even know how to do this interview. This is

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Speaker 2: so complicated. He's one of those geniuses. And he's telling

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Speaker 2: me that he's putting this. They can put them on

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Speaker 2: Mars or the Moon and immediately it'll create electricity and water,

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Speaker 2: and it could it could self replicate like in transformers,

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Speaker 2: to allow for when the robots come and then eventually humans.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, Okay, that's really cool, but why should

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Speaker 2: I care about this on planet Earth? And he goes, well,

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Speaker 2: don't you think that that could be useful in rural

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Speaker 2: parts of America where they don't have access to basic

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Speaker 2: technology infrastructure. Don't you think that after a hurricane, when

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Speaker 2: the power grid gets wiped out, that if we put

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Speaker 2: one of these train sized boxes in a disaster zone,

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Speaker 2: that that could get communications back on system. Don't you

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Speaker 2: think that in parts of Africa and underserved communities around

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Speaker 2: the world that this could be bring basic not just technology,

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Speaker 2: but also sewage systems and economic incentive cities parts of

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Speaker 2: the world. And I'm like, yeah, no, that's not a

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Speaker 2: bad idea at all. That's not totally what we should do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in third world countries, I can see them going

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Speaker 1: into Africa or down into South America and bringing this

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Speaker 1: is this available what he's talking about, Is it available now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're already testing it. And that's the whole point

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Speaker 2: of the show. And then the coolest part of the interview.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen Larry The Martian

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Speaker 2: or read the book by Andy Wier. Sure, it's so good.

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Speaker 2: It's not as good as Interstellar, which I know is

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Speaker 2: a debate in the sci fi community, but I'm an

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Speaker 2: Interstellar geek. But with Matthew McConaughey. But in The Martian,

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Speaker 2: Matt Damon essentially poops and grows a plant on Mars

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Speaker 2: and I asked him, well, how are you going to

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Speaker 2: power this? And he goes poop and I go, I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry what and he's like yeah, He's like, well we

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Speaker 2: going it's not you can have a battery on Mars

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Speaker 2: or you know, in other parts of the world. But

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Speaker 2: that's how they're thinking. It's science fiction come to life,

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Speaker 2: and it's crazy. It's a crazy world we live in.

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Speaker 2: But hey, at least they're thinking about that. Probably they

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Speaker 2: could get a budget deal in Washington's I'll.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what. Poop is an untapped natural resource. As

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Speaker 1: we found out in The Martian, that was a that

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Speaker 1: was a great story. But man, what a brilliant podcast.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking to the smartest people in the country

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Speaker 1: about what's coming next, which explains why you're a futurist reporter.

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Speaker 1: I kind of get it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about so much fun. I can imagine that.

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Speaker 1: Good for you, and congratulations. I hate that they changed

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Speaker 1: UFO to UAP. Can you explain to me why they

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Speaker 1: did that exactly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So a UFO is an unidentified flying object obviously,

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Speaker 2: but a UAP essentially is an unidentified aerial phenomenon. And

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Speaker 2: the reason is because technology, it also doesn't necessarily have

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Speaker 2: to be flying. It could be you know, in the

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Speaker 2: ocean and whatnot. It just kind of broadens the category,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. But there's there's been a hearing on

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Speaker 2: Capitol Hill. There's been several and the most recent one

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Speaker 2: was just a couple of weeks ago. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the big question that I get about UAPs and UFOs

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Speaker 2: is why is the government, you know, keeping it a

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Speaker 2: secret from us and whatnot? And there's many ways to

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Speaker 2: answer this question, but the first is it's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon and CIA and NASA. It's not necessarily then

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Speaker 2: that they're covering it up. It also could be that

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Speaker 2: private industry or private companies have access to this technology

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Speaker 2: and they're not required to share it with anyone necessarily,

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Speaker 2: So the laws are very outdated and not thinking as

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Speaker 2: big as the universe is. Secondly, if there is alien

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Speaker 2: technology that is discovered, the government wouldn't necessarily want to

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Speaker 2: declassify it if they don't have their arms around it

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Speaker 2: before a bad actor does, like trying to he found

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Speaker 2: me this party, Russia or Iran. And then lastly, they

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Speaker 2: might not know what it is. And so I think

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Speaker 2: the biggest question right now is just we are living

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Speaker 2: through what I believe, Larry, is the start of the

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Speaker 2: next industrial revolution. The Galileo and I interview the head

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Speaker 2: of the Galileo project from Harvard, whose whole mission is

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Speaker 2: to look for extraterrestrial lights in the universe. But the

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Speaker 2: Galileo discoveries of you know, centuries ago, our telescopes are

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Speaker 2: finding them, you know, by the tenfold, and so you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that policymakers don't really even know where to

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Speaker 2: begin asking questions about any of this, and that's why

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Speaker 2: I think it's been so stale. Quite frankly, in this debate,

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Speaker 2: the space industry alone is not just massa anymore. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be a one trillion dollar industry, one trillion

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Speaker 2: dollars by the year twenty thirty two, which is larger

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Speaker 2: than the entire gaming industry in America.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that there is alien intelligence? And do

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Speaker 1: you believe that alien intelligence has visited us?

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Speaker 2: It's the question isn't is yes? The answer is yes.

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Speaker 2: But that's the questions Do I believe that they've visited us?

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Speaker 2: That I don't have enough proof of. But in terms

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Speaker 2: of but in terms of do I believe in life

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Speaker 2: elsewhere in the galaxy or in other dimensions? Absolutely? And and I,

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Speaker 2: by the way, it's not just if there's one. You know,

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Speaker 2: I interviewed Leonard David who is He's like the Walter

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Speaker 2: cronkind of space news. He's awesome, he's been covering space

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Speaker 2: for fifty years. He goes, the better question, Kevin, is

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Speaker 2: how many civilizations are there in the universe? How many

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Speaker 2: are there? Because they could be all at different stages.

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Speaker 2: You could have cavemen on one planet, and then you

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Speaker 2: know civilizations that are, you know, thousands of years ahead

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Speaker 2: of us. So it's it's a really complicated question. But

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Speaker 2: the bottom line is they just found proof of potential

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Speaker 2: IOW signatures of life on Mars. A lot of people

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Speaker 2: think the Solar System is only nine planets in a

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Speaker 2: couple of moons. There's more than There's millions of objects

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Speaker 2: in our Solar system alone. We only have a less

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Speaker 2: than a dozen satellites around the Moon. We have ten

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Speaker 2: thousand around planet Earth, and we only have like eight

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Speaker 2: or twelve around Mars and like one around Europa. So

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Speaker 2: there's so much we don't know about our own place

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Speaker 2: in our Solar system, let alone in the galaxy, let

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Speaker 2: alone in the universe.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to talk to you next week.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely going to listen to your podcast. You sold

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Speaker 1: it very well just now. Kevin Sirilli is the host

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Speaker 1: of Iheart's new daily podcast, Hello Future with Kevin Sirelli.

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Speaker 1: That new podcast is designed to make big, forward looking

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Speaker 1: topics fast, smart and accessible, like you just heard. Thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot, Kevin, talk to you again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Larren, Thank you my friend. Best.

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