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Speaker 2: sifting through at this moment here Austin is the news

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Speaker 2: we heard from Charlie Goldsmith today as it relates to

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green. Charlie Goldsmith earlier this afternoon tweeting out that

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green is dealing with a right elbow issue. Terry

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Speaker 2: Francona and Nick Crawl were meeting about it. Since then,

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Speaker 2: Hunter Green has spoke. We'll get to that in just

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Speaker 2: a second. Charlie Goldsmith willed that he will see both

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Speaker 2: team doctor Timothy Kremchek and then doctor Neil Elatrosh as

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Speaker 2: well for an MRI. So this is part of the

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Speaker 2: conversation we've kind of had about the Reds and the

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Speaker 2: if factor of what this team can do to reach

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Speaker 2: their ceiling. A big part of that factor is if

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Speaker 2: a guy like Hunter Green can stay healthy, if a

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Speaker 2: guy like Hunter Green can make thirty plus starts. Do

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Speaker 2: we have the Hunter Green quote audio? Do you have

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Speaker 2: not the audio itself, but do you have the quote

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Speaker 2: from Hunter Green of what he had to say?

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Speaker 3: Austin, I do, and Charlie put this on his sub

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Speaker 3: stack on Charlie's chalkboard, and some of the others writers

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Speaker 3: have said it as well. This is the exact quote

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Speaker 3: from Hunter Green. I had this toward the end of

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Speaker 3: the season. Last year, in my final five or six starts,

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Speaker 3: get it looked at. It makes sense to do it now.

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Speaker 3: I know I have bone spurs as of now, there's

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Speaker 2: If it bothered him at the end of last year,

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Speaker 2: But I think one of the one of the points

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Speaker 4: That's good news.

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Speaker 2: What I do think is a little bit interesting is

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Speaker 4: My immediate and most importantly the playoff push.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, My immediate reaction is, why was if you dealt

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Speaker 2: Hunter made this sound like it's something he knows and

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Speaker 2: he's dealt with and he's got stuff floating around. My

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Speaker 2: why couldn't you do that in the offseason?

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Speaker 4: Correct, get in there and clean it up.

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Speaker 3: Every single year there is one of these dumb injuries

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Speaker 3: And listening to Hunter and everything I've read, it's described

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Speaker 3: good news, but why are we at this point twenty

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Speaker 2: I'm reading it again and great, it's the best news

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Speaker 2: But Hunter very openly and again the quote, hopefully I

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Speaker 2: which would lead me to lead me to believe that

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Speaker 3: My reading through the lines here and assuming again assuming,

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Speaker 3: up and then restart. Yep, And okay, that that obviously

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Speaker 3: is much better than having a complete UCL reconstruction and

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Speaker 3: Tommy John surgery. Absolutely, and I don't wish that on Hunter,

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Speaker 3: and don't wish it on anybody. I'm just confused about

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Speaker 3: the timeline once again, Yep. This is the same stuff

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Speaker 3: We've questioned it with Spencer Steer. It's it's the same

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Speaker 3: stuff every single year, and I just I have a

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Speaker 3: hard time understanding it. And I'm not trying to assess

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Speaker 3: blame to the Reds or to Hunter, to anybody. It's

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Speaker 3: just why is there not a simplified timeline that if

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Speaker 3: it should have been priority one in the off season.

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Speaker 3: And maybe we don't have all the information yet because

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Speaker 3: we'll get more information by Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Okay. Still, I just I don't get it. I don't

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Speaker 2: If you finish a season where they have to hold

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Speaker 2: with an elbow issue as a pitcher, why is priority

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Speaker 2: number one as soon as the season ending, not saying

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's get in there and let's clean

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Speaker 4: At what point did he know he had bone spurs? Right,

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Speaker 3: And if that's the case, was there any indication at

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Speaker 3: best to get rid of them now? Yep, I'm not

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Speaker 2: is inexcusable.

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Speaker 2: Again, you're not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. But

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Speaker 4: I understand the idea of uh okay. Season just ended.

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Speaker 3: give it a month to rest and see how it goes.

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Speaker 3: But still I want to go take a look at it.

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Speaker 4: Yep. Again, it's not like.

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Speaker 4: You can just go to the facility and get an

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Speaker 2: And again, it's great, it's great. It's good news that

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Speaker 2: But again, a lot of the contingencies we've talked about

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Speaker 2: stay healthy, if Hunter Green can make thirty plus starts

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Speaker 3: And the other thing, too is the report. So we're

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Speaker 6: The remaining time we're down in three seconds, two one,

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Speaker 2: Least you can and we'll talk about an hour three.

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Speaker 7: Hey, this Hunter Green stuff, Like, come on, we've been

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Speaker 7: I mean I'm just blown away by what I'm hearing.

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Speaker 5: Ye.

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Speaker 7: And then like the trade rumors too over the off season,

441
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Speaker 7: and if they knew that there was an issue, maybe

442
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Speaker 7: they should have traded him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's that's a good point as well,

444
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Speaker 2: And maybe that's where some of the frustration came. But

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Speaker 2: I just think of a guy who has dealt with

446
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Speaker 2: so many issues at the injury front, who ended a

447
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: year with this comfort that that should have been taken

448
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Speaker 2: with a little bit more priority.

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Speaker 4: I feel like at this.

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Speaker 7: Point, Yeah, you got to get ahead of crap like that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it just I don't know. It bothers my

452
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Speaker 7: mind how they just keep dropping the ball. Yeah, anyway,

453
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Speaker 7: thanks for taking my car, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you man a lot, sir. Yeah, that's the thing too.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about that over the break, Austin. It's

456
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 2: not like you have like just this iron man workhorse

457
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Speaker 2: who never misses games.

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Speaker 4: He's a player.

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Speaker 2: That the the the greatness in which we talk about

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Speaker 2: Hunter has always met with what he just misses too many.

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Speaker 4: Starts he's already had. Tommy Johnson, is.

462
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Speaker 2: That the guy you want to make sure you're one

463
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Speaker 2: hundred percent good.

464
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Speaker 4: With happened once before.

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Speaker 2: Just get the testing done at the end of last year.

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Speaker 2: Do not let things linger. And now it's a talking point.

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00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 2: Now it's an issue, and now for a team that

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Speaker 2: if you're looking at the projections and you're looking at

469
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Speaker 2: playoff odds and nl Central odds, the margin for air

470
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Speaker 2: is already small with this team, and you're already going

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Speaker 2: to go at least it seems like into the start

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Speaker 2: of the year without one of your best weapons on

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Speaker 2: the mount or your best weapon on the mound. According

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Speaker 2: to ESPN dot com today, they ranked their top one

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Speaker 2: hundred players in all of baseball. Andrew Abbott was near

476
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Speaker 2: the bottom of that. Eohney Osuarez was near the bottom

477
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Speaker 2: of that. Elie de la Cruz was ranked twenty fourth

478
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Speaker 2: of all players in baseball. Hunter Green position players, pitchers DHS.

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Speaker 2: Hunter Greener was ranked number fifty. He's one of the

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Speaker 2: top fifty players in the game of baseball. Should not

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Speaker 2: be handled that way in an offseason, do not make

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Speaker 2: a whole lot of sense. We'll grab one more phone

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Speaker 2: call and then we'll move on.

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Speaker 4: Mike. What's up?

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Speaker 5: Thanks a lot, guys, bear Cat, I know I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: get the baseball. Bearcat's go, brother. I got a win

487
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Speaker 5: in the East Regional Final four.

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Speaker 4: Baby, I'm in here, I'm.

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Speaker 5: In That's how I get him going, Austin. You know

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Speaker 5: that's the easiest help man.

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Speaker 4: Sign me up.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure. Sign you up. Take that

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Speaker 5: to the great baby, Okay, here we go, mister Green,

494
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 5: let's just call him mister alive. Well, I feel hard

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Speaker 5: for the guy that keeps getting hurt, but we can't

496
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Speaker 5: keep dealing with this crap. It's nonsense. Well, what's what's next?

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Speaker 5: Al McClean. He retweets his obleak obie up for a while,

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Speaker 5: and then they did, we only have one guy in

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Speaker 5: the top fifty. That's not very good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's again.

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Speaker 5: Here go ahead, I just I.

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Speaker 2: Go back twenty twenty two, twenty four starts, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: twenty two stars. It's twenty twenty four, twenty six starts.

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00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: Last year nineteen starts. This is a guy you talked

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Speaker 2: about all offseason. You need Hunter Green to make at

506
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Speaker 2: least thirty starts. He's not sniffed that in his career,

507
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: and now you're already staring down the barrel that again.

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Speaker 4: It is. It's frustrating beyond belief right now with Hunter Green.

509
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Speaker 5: And it's not just him, it's Loadalo then and Andrew

510
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 5: abb but walking around at twenty five years old with

511
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Speaker 5: a little beer belly.

512
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Speaker 2: On, Spencer Steer, Matt McClain and the injuries that have

513
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: lingered on it's just a lot.

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Speaker 5: And here's here's something I found out. Every year they race,

515
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Speaker 5: it's called the Tea Bats Professional Baseball Athletic Training Staff Awards.

516
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 5: They rank every team. Last year the Blue Jays won.

517
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Speaker 5: They were the best. Second was the Yankees. The Dodgers

518
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Speaker 5: and the Rays were tied for third. Tampa Bay Rays

519
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 5: tied for third. I didn't go beyond that. I don't

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Speaker 5: know where the Reds were. But that's that's you ought

521
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: to ask your buddy, your doctor, what's his name? You're

522
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 5: going to him on it too.

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00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: Well, we're trying to get uh, normally we get Bob Manngina.

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Speaker 2: We'll get him tomorrow ideally.

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00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, And asked him about that Tea Bats. You know,

526
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Speaker 5: I wasn't aware that they ranked the what I thought, well,

527
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 5: they probably do, and sure enough that's where we ended up.

528
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Speaker 5: Do you think Trey's going to Indy or the Bears?

529
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Speaker 2: I still think the most sense makes for Trey Henderson

530
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Speaker 2: is Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: I think it's interesting.

532
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Speaker 3: Adam Schefter said this week that Tampa is a potential

533
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Speaker 3: landing spot for him.

534
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Speaker 5: We'll be don He's from Florida, right, Jacksonville.

535
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he lives in that area. I don't think Jacksonville

536
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 3: financially would be able to pull it off, but I

537
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Speaker 3: think there's some mutual interest with Tampa.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And he's used to playing in the heat, if

540
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 5: he if he grew up in Florida, he's used to

541
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Speaker 5: the heat. So that's not going to be a big patter,

542
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Speaker 5: even at his age. I wouldn't think. So that's all

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Speaker 5: I had, Guys, I just thought i'd throw that tea

544
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Speaker 5: bats thing and yeah for you, and I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Mike, appreciate it. Mike, have a good one.

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Speaker 2: Uh, let's grab a let's grab a break, let's come

547
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Speaker 2: back and uh we'll finish up this Hunter Green conversation

548
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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about what's going on in the National

549
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Speaker 2: Football League as well. Thanks to Skyline Chili, our number

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Speaker 2: one ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 7: I'm Amanda Knox and in the new.

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Speaker 8: Let's get back in the action Tony Pike, Sincy three

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Speaker 8: sixty is back now on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back Cinty three to sixty.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station and a service hour

556
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Speaker 2: number one of our friends at Skyline Chili We'll have

557
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Speaker 2: more on Hunter Green as more becomes available to News today,

558
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Speaker 2: as he is meeting with doctor Timothy Kremchek, and we'll

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Speaker 2: meet with Neil Elatrosh on Monday to discuss some elbow discomfort.

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Speaker 4: You have experience with doctor Elatrosh, don't you.

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00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's who I saw for my second opinion on

562
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: my UCL What did he say?

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Speaker 4: He cut me open multiple times? Did he he? Also?

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Speaker 3: I want to say, didn't he work on burrows knee

565
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 3: when he was a rookie?

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Speaker 4: I think so. I think that's correct. I think so.

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Speaker 3: People hawking up along in us. Yeah, I got the

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Speaker 3: door open to day because it's nine thousand degrees in here,

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Speaker 3: and I hope everyone's okay. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: people that are sick in this office right now. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you've noticed it, but a lot of

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00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: you know, voices sounding a little deeper. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of crankiness going on there. I can't imagine why. From

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Speaker 3: I think everybody, that's just a normal symptom of this place.

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00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: And then people sick on top of it, a lot

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Speaker 3: of hacking going on, hawking and hacking. Make sure you're

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00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 3: taking your electrolytes. Yep, your vitamin C. You're washing your

578
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: hand and you're using the dead gum hand sanitized.

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Speaker 4: That's it, all right.

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Speaker 3: Any questions about personal hygiene and safety from germs, just

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Speaker 3: get with me.

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Speaker 4: I'll be sick next week. The uh the Hunter Green news.

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Speaker 2: The latest and the long line of injuries Hunter Green

584
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: has dealt with all the way back to twenty twenty two,

585
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: from a shoulder, to the shin, to the hip, to

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Speaker 2: the elbow, to the groin, to the groin again, and

587
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: now the elbow again.

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Speaker 4: Remember when he was vomit on the mound. Yep, that

589
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: was cool. Yep that throw that in there.

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Speaker 3: That was actually kind of cool. Though he said, drink

591
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: too much? Yeah, water, I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 4: We all have those. Did you drink too much last night?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Okay, you looked a little disheveled coming in here. This one.

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Speaker 4: Well that's just because why we were coming in. I

596
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Speaker 4: kind of figured you didn't sleep much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot of excitement from last night.

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00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: We'll get to We'll get to college basketball real quick.

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00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: What's going on around the National Football League has been

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Speaker 2: some moves early on the day. The biggest move that

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Speaker 2: has been made is the Kansas City Chiefs have moved

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Speaker 2: on from their best cornerback, Trent McDuffie. In return, he

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00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: will be going to the Rams, and the Rams will

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Speaker 2: send the Chiefs four draft picks. Their first round pick

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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty sixth draft, that's the twenty ninth

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Speaker 2: overall pick. The Chiefs will get a fifth and a

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Speaker 2: sixth in this year's draft and a twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 2: third round from the Rams. Since twenty seventeen, Austin This

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Speaker 2: according to Field Yates when this is how the Rams

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Speaker 2: have used their first pick since twenty seventeen. Twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: they traded that pick to the Titans. Twenty eighteen traded

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Speaker 2: to the Patriots, twenty nineteen traded to the Falcons. Twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty and twenty twenty one were both traded to the Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two and twenty three were traded to the Lions.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, they drafted Jared Verse that was

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Speaker 2: a good selection middle named Bible. Twenty twenty five, they

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Speaker 2: traded their pick to the Falcons, and this year they

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Speaker 2: traded their pick to the Kansas City Chiefs. There is

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Speaker 2: no team in the NFL. That does not value draft

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Speaker 2: picks more than the Los Angeles Rams.

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Speaker 3: It's that old f them picks strategy that they've not

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Speaker 3: been afraid to employ. What I think is interesting is

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Speaker 3: the difference in prioritization of the cornerback position when it

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Speaker 3: comes to these two franchises. So listen to this. The Rams,

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00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: and this is coming from Steve Weisch from NFL Network,

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Speaker 3: the Rams are not afraid to spend draft picks and

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Speaker 3: money on high caliber cornerbacks, especially via trades. In the

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Speaker 3: McVeagh era, the Rams have traded four Marcus Peters, Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 3: and Trent McDuffie. Meanwhile, you look at the Kansas City Chiefs,

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Speaker 3: they are historically one of the teams that do not

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Speaker 3: spend on the cornerback position. From twenty nineteen until twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, they were routinely near the bottom of the

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Speaker 3: league for cornerback spending. The Chiefs won and the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl in twenty twenty two, spending a league low six

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Speaker 3: point seven million dollars total on their cornerback room.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And as Ben Finel, who is one of my favorites.

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Speaker 3: He's a producer for the NFL on CBS and the

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Speaker 3: NFL on Prime. As he posted on his page, quote

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Speaker 3: show me a dominant front, I'll show you a back

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Speaker 3: end that can cover. So two of the more successful

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Speaker 3: franchises each have won a Super Bowl in the last

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Speaker 3: six years. One of them very very aggressive in acquiring

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Speaker 3: good cornerbacks for draft picks, another one very unaggressive when

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Speaker 3: it comes to spending money at that position. They both

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Speaker 3: have been successful. There's that old saying out there there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of different ways to spin a cat.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was allowed to say that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying not to get canceled, but at this point,

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Speaker 3: who cares. There's a lot of ways to skin a cat.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Other NFL news the Indianapolis The Colts have used the

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Speaker 2: transition tag on Daniel Jones. Essentially that guarantees the Colts

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Speaker 2: the right of first refusal for Jones, preserving the right

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Speaker 2: to match any competing offer sheet he might sign with

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Speaker 2: an interested team. We rarely hear about the transition tag,

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Speaker 2: doesn't happen very often, but the Colts have used said

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Speaker 2: tag for Daniel Jones. Other NFL happenings. Mackai Beckton has

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Speaker 2: been cut by the Los Angeles Chargers. It'll save them

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Speaker 2: nine point seven million against the cap. He struggled last

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Speaker 2: year with the Chargers. He signed a two year, twenty

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Speaker 2: million dollar deal. Six year NFL veteran is now available

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Speaker 2: to sign with another team in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: That the move the Chargers made, and speaking of moves

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Speaker 2: that are being made, Dallas reworking deals of Ceedee Lamb,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Smith and Dak Prescott have now gotten themselves under

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Speaker 2: the salary cap. So they were over the cap Austin

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Speaker 2: by fifty five million before those deals yesterday. Now they

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Speaker 2: have cleared up around sixty six million just by restructuring

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Speaker 2: three deals.

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Speaker 4: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if the Cowboys could be one of those

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Speaker 3: teams who is in play for Max Crosby.

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Speaker 2: Which does sound you said this today, It does sound

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Speaker 2: like there's a chance Max Crosby has moved.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There was an article written today by Mike Silver from

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Speaker 3: The Athletic and it does not make it look or

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Speaker 3: seem like things are going well in Las Vegas with

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Speaker 3: the Raiders and especially with Max Crosby the way that

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Speaker 3: Silver wrote it today. As yet another Raiders coach attempts

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Speaker 3: to create a winning culture, he'll likely do so without

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Speaker 3: the longtime locker room alpha who's expected to be traded

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Speaker 3: in the coming days or weeks. So it seems like

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby. And he also says that this could go

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Speaker 3: into the season. So it's one thing to say days

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Speaker 3: and weeks, it's another thing to potentially say months. But

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Speaker 3: it does seem like Max Crosby and the Raiders are

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Speaker 3: headed for a divorce. And you know, I think Jerry

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Speaker 3: Jones could win some people back absolutely trading Micah Parsons

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Speaker 3: if he's able to somehow acquire Max Crosby, and that

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Speaker 3: seems like a move Jerry would want to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the move obviously here yesterday for the Bengals was

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Speaker 2: to not put the franchise tag on Trey Hendrickson. Trey

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson took to social media as well. He thanked the organization,

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Speaker 2: He thanked the teammates, he thanked the coaches and the staff.

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Speaker 2: This is what he had to say, Austin to the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati fans, thank you, thank you for supporting me in

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Speaker 2: the relentless pursuit of winning. That sounds like something we

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Speaker 2: want here, relentless. With that, thank you for supporting me

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Speaker 2: and the relentless pursuit of winning. You've made the jungle

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Speaker 2: roar when I hunted QB after QB. Memories of those

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Speaker 2: moments will live in my heart and mind forever. The

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Speaker 2: hard work the city puts in and it's support for

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Speaker 2: the Bengals made it easy to empty the tank for

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Speaker 2: this fan base. I could not be more proud of

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Speaker 2: the high standards we have for our city and the

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Speaker 2: football team. Cincinnati is home now and forever. God has

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Speaker 2: blessed me with the abilities I was able to showcase.

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Speaker 2: Here to God be the glory. Thanks for sharing the love,

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Speaker 2: support and memories.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the smallest font ever in a Yeah that was

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Speaker 3: tough to even read from me right there in a

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Speaker 3: thank you note. Yeah, and like the backdrop doesn't help.

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Speaker 3: It's like a dark gray backdrop with black lettering.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's that meme? That graphic design? It's not great?

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Speaker 4: Is my passions not great? You know? It's Listen.

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Speaker 3: Trey is one of the best ever to play for

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, and I think he had seventy one sacks

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Speaker 3: in seventy nine games, forced a bunch of fumbles, closed

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Speaker 3: multiple games, was a huge part of the most successful

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Speaker 3: run in franchise history and those back to back seasons.

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Speaker 3: I got nothing bad to say about Trey, and I

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Speaker 3: don't think any Bengals fans should. Clearly, it just didn't

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Speaker 3: work the way he views his business and the way

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Speaker 3: the Bengals view their business towards the end. But I

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Speaker 3: don't think that that's a reason for parting shots at

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Speaker 3: either side, to be completely honest, because I do think

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Speaker 3: the Bengals did a lot to try to make it

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Speaker 3: work based off their parameters, and they could have avoided

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Speaker 3: a lot of that had they done it sooner. But

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Speaker 3: it's not At this point, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it's okay.

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Speaker 3: Now the Bengals, instead of committing thirty plus million dollars

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Speaker 3: to Trey Hendrickson, get to use and should use that

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Speaker 3: money elsewhere to make their football team better. And again,

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Speaker 3: it's not about one player, especially on defense. They need

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Speaker 3: a lot more, and I expect the Bengals to make

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Speaker 3: a run at some guys that are gonna fix that

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Speaker 3: and fill that hole.

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Speaker 2: We'll break, we will come back, we'll wrap up our

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Speaker 2: number one, and we'll turn it to Dan Horror who

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Speaker 2: will join us at the start of our number two.

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Speaker 10: Many of us catching a break from the rain this afternoon,

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Speaker 10: but some hit and miss showers will be out there

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Speaker 10: with a high near sixty two, so we're still warming

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Speaker 10: hit and miss leftover rain with a high near sixty seven.

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Speaker 4: Today.

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Speaker 2: We have Dan Horde coming up in just a few moments,

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Speaker 2: and then, of course your talkbacks were also twenty two

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Speaker 2: days away from opening day here in the city of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and the CDs D D Day today.

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Speaker 3: Remember when he put on that exterminator suit after those

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Speaker 3: bees and the chains. I wish bees were the Reds

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Speaker 3: biggest problem today.

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Speaker 4: Dietrich was a fun He was a fun case study

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Speaker 4: for it. Was a cool dude man. Yeah, yeah, good

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Speaker 4: guy to have around.

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Speaker 3: Would people always say that that twenty nineteen was the

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen team was the most exciting seventy five win

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Speaker 3: team of all time, And I think they'd be correct. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a good po Lorenzo Bower. There was some Dietrich,

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Speaker 3: a fun year, some dudes on that team. Jesse Winker,

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Speaker 3: Dwink don Wink baby. I love Jesse Wink.

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Speaker 4: What's he doing?

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Speaker 2: It's a good question right fighting with Mets fans. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot better than what's going on right now on

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Speaker 2: the TV that's in the studio. I don't have the

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Speaker 2: obviously the volume doesn't stay on. But I got first

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Speaker 2: taken here and all I see is why are you

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Speaker 2: watching this? Should Burrow be confident with his future on Bengals?

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Speaker 2: Question Mark team does not use the franchise tag on

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson d n post a Goodbye to Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: And now I got Stephen A.

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Speaker 2: Smith yelling at the TV about how dysfunctional of an

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Speaker 2: organization the Bengals are and how they're going to ruin

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, was this a surprise yesterday?

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: The Tree Hendrickson situation to me, there were two layups

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Speaker 2: to be made to kick off this offseason, and the

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Speaker 2: Bengals made both of them.

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Speaker 3: It's funny, you know, all this time, for the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years, nobody really gives Trey Hendrickson enough credit

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Speaker 3: for how good he is, and then all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden he doesn't get franchise tagged, and people are like, well,

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Speaker 3: this is the modern day, you know, Jared Allen, right

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Speaker 3: here is this guy was on the Purple People leads

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Speaker 3: back in the day. It's Reggie White that the Bengals

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Speaker 3: have let go.

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Speaker 4: Make it make sense? Why aren't you paying any attention

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Speaker 4: to him for the last couple of years? Make it

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Speaker 4: make sense? I've told you this before.

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Speaker 3: Number One, don't watch those shows because they suck and

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Speaker 3: the people are not very bright, especially people like Steven A.

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Speaker 4: Smith. Secondly, The other part you gotta understand here.

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Speaker 2: Is did the Bengals try to market Trey Hendrickson? Did

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Speaker 2: anyone want to give up any type of draft pick

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Speaker 2: capital for Trey Hendrickson?

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Speaker 3: Not what the Bengals wanted. They should have taken the deal,

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Speaker 3: but not what the Bengals wanted.

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Speaker 2: Like last week at the Combine bouncing around Indy, do

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Speaker 2: you think anyone was like, hey, Duke, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: this Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 4: Fella.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Bengals, because they didn't do it last year,

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Speaker 3: had no leverage. Teams knew they were gonna cut him.

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Speaker 2: It just whether they handled it correctly last year or

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Speaker 2: the year before is in question this year, this decision

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Speaker 2: barring someone at the Combine saying yeah, tag him, trade

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Speaker 2: him to us, and we'll give you this. The Bengals

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Speaker 2: made the right move here. This is a move that

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Speaker 2: had to be done. Look at the state of their defense.

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Speaker 2: Don't don't forget Trey Hendrickson two years ago led the

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Speaker 2: NFL in sacks on the worst defense in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: They need more than a Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: They've drafted Miles Murphy, They've drafted Shamar Stewart, they've drafted

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Speaker 2: Joseph Osai. Something's got to pan out regardless.

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Speaker 3: And for this time, I don't put a lot of

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Speaker 3: stock into what those types of shows say mm hmm,

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Speaker 3: because they don't pay attention to the rest of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: They don't consider that others. It's just, hey, this is

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Speaker 3: a really good player that the Bengals are letting go

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Speaker 3: and their defense already stinks, so clearly they're not committed

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Speaker 3: to winning. That's not true. This move, in my mind,

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Speaker 3: is indicative that they are committed to winning and committed

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Speaker 3: to fixing the other issues with their defense. The problem

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Speaker 3: will always remain this because the Bengals have screwed this

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Speaker 3: up in the past, that is their reputation. Because they've

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Speaker 3: done it with Palmer, they've done it with Dalton. They

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Speaker 3: haven't built around these guys, and because they've screwed it up,

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Speaker 3: that becomes their reputation. Sure, that's what the national media

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Speaker 3: conversation is, and it should be until they fix it correct.

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Speaker 3: So I appreciate that they hold the Bengals feet under

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Speaker 3: the fire. I appreciate that they are critical of them,

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Speaker 3: because until you prove that you're capable of doing the

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Speaker 3: other thing, until you prove you're capable of otherwise, then

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Speaker 3: you are going to get this criticism, and you deserve it.

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Speaker 4: This is the opportunity for the Bengals to fix it.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Dan Horde knows a thing or two about the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: He knows a thing or two about the Bearcats as well.

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Speaker 4: A lot. Dan knows a lot.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to those things, maybe too much, when we return.

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Speaker 2: The start of our two brings Dan Horde with us

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Speaker 2: next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station Ucky Cincinnati.

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