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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American Indio.

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Speaker 2: News Radio seven WW Mike Allen in for Sloaney today, tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: and a couple of days next week too. Well, I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you what the beat goes on with the situation

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. It's this one thing after another with this

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Speaker 2: and it grows daily. I mean it literally grows daily.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, I'll tell you. Yesterday a surge of federal

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Speaker 2: officers from the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: They were deployed to Minnesota to investigate new allegations of

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Speaker 2: fraud at the childcare centers, many operated by some Holly residents.

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Speaker 2: I would probably change that from most operated by Somali residents.

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Speaker 2: Cashptel and DHS Secretary Christy Knowam they announced that they

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Speaker 2: are going to increase operations to quote dismantle large scale

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Speaker 2: fraud schemes exploiting federal programs. This follows an earlier federal

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Speaker 2: prosecutor's allegation that up to half of the approximately eighteen

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Speaker 2: billion dollars in federal funds allocated to Minnesota since twenty

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Speaker 2: eighteen may have been stolen across various programs. That's probably

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Speaker 2: the understatement of the decade this thing. Yeah, and we've

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Speaker 2: talked about it a lot this week and probably continue

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Speaker 2: to talk about it too. It's, without question the biggest

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Speaker 2: government victim. The government's the victim here fraud scheme that

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard of, and probably the biggest in this country.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're kind of standing pat here at nine billion,

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Speaker 2: talking to people that have covered this journalist pretty closely.

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Speaker 2: It's the general consensus that that's the tip of the

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Speaker 2: iceberg and it's only going to go up from there.

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Speaker 2: And you know, some people might be saying, well, who cares?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's not my money, it's the taxpayers

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota. The overwhelming majority of this money is from

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Speaker 2: federal sources, which means, guess what you and I are

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Speaker 2: paying for it. I'll tell you what. I saw something

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Speaker 2: late last night that just got my hair up in

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Speaker 2: neck to stand up. And no surprise here, it's the

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Speaker 2: New York Times. You know, you got people out there

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Speaker 2: concerned about this. The mainstream media pretty much is just

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Speaker 2: taking a walk on it. And the New York Times

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Speaker 2: probably has the biggest investigative force, if you will, of

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Speaker 2: alleged journalist in the country. There is an article in

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Speaker 2: Yesterday's New York Times that I printed out. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to talk about a little bit. It's unbelievable. It

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Speaker 2: is by Ken Benzinger and Nesto Londano. The headline is

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Speaker 2: an intense White House response from a single viral video.

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Speaker 2: Just the first couple sentences, a video purporting to expose

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Speaker 2: extensive fraud at childcare centers in Minnesota shows the relationship

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Speaker 2: between the Trump administration and self described citizen journalist. So

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Speaker 2: right from jump, you know where this thing is going.

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Speaker 2: After reading that first sentence, I said, well, we'll see

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Speaker 2: where this goes. I think I got a pretty good idea.

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Speaker 2: They're pod because you got citizens out there are doing

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Speaker 2: the damn job that they were supposed to do. And again,

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Speaker 2: a video purporting to expose extensive fraud and a childcare

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Speaker 2: center in Minnesota or childcare centers plural is in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: shows the relationship between the Trump administration and self described

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Speaker 2: citizen journalist. Well, let me ask you, why is that

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Speaker 2: a bad thing? Why is that a bad thing? You know,

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Speaker 2: A young man with a cell phone, it took it

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Speaker 2: put together a forty two minute video. He did the

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Speaker 2: job that The New York Times, the Washington Post, all

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Speaker 2: of them couldn't do or wouldn't do, I think, more appropriately,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't do. Why is that a bad thing for a

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Speaker 2: citizen watchdog to keep an eye on the federal government. Well,

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Speaker 2: it goes on. A forty three minute video posted online

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Speaker 2: in the past week purporting to expose extensive fraud at

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Speaker 2: a Somali run childcare center Somali run childcare centers in

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Speaker 2: Minnesota has been viewed by millions of people. It has

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Speaker 2: also set off a suit of events that showed the

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Speaker 2: symbiotic relationship between the Trump administration and self described citizen

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Speaker 2: journalist and the Washington Post. They don't like that at all. No,

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Speaker 2: they don't like it at all. Talking about of course,

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Speaker 2: Nick Shirley. He put this forty three minute video together.

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Speaker 2: I watched it again last night. It's on YouTube. You

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Speaker 2: can find it, and I'll tell you if you care

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Speaker 2: about where your taxpayers money dollars are going, just watch it.

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Speaker 2: It's only forty three minutes. It's really really it kind

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Speaker 2: of gives you a good idea of where we're at. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: It was posted two x and on YouTube the day

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Speaker 2: after Christmas by Nick Shirley, a twenty three year old

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Speaker 2: who's made a name for himself in the past two

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Speaker 2: years by producing viral content. Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 2: That aligns with mega policies where we couldn't have that.

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Speaker 2: In the video, mister Shirley is accompanied by a man

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Speaker 2: known only as David, who claims to have uncovered fraud

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Speaker 2: worse than anywhere else in history. And buddy, he's right

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Speaker 2: about that, so he says. It goes on. The New

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Speaker 2: They didn't. They had the opportunity to do it, but

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Speaker 2: top Republican officials said this. Oh, this is from the

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Speaker 2: Vice President. I'll tell you what. He just kind of

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Speaker 2: described this thing perfectly. This is from the Vice President

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Speaker 2: yesterday talking about Nick Shirley. This dude has done far

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Speaker 2: more useful journalism than any of the winners of the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Pulitzer Prize Center Prizes He's absolutely right,

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Speaker 2: absolutely right, twenty three years old with a cell phone camera.

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Speaker 2: He did have another camera with him, cameraman, amateur dude.

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Speaker 2: But I mean he did the job that The New

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Speaker 2: York Times, the Washington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC should have

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Speaker 2: been doing. And they're covering this now finally, I mean

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Speaker 2: they have to. But they were real slow, real slow

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Speaker 2: to the dance on this. Well, the article goes on

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Speaker 2: the scale of the reaction to mister Shirley's video has

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Speaker 2: few precedents, but it highlights the way the White House

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Speaker 2: seeds narratives about key issues and then rewards sympathetic creators

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Speaker 2: who deliver viral content. Okay, again, I would pose the question,

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Speaker 2: to say that the content need need not be new

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Speaker 2: or revelatory, or even particularly revelatory to succeed. Watch that

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Speaker 2: Is this revelatory? As the New York Times says, I

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Speaker 2: the New York Times go, of course, to get so

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Speaker 2: called expert comment on this? Where would you think they

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Speaker 2: would go? They would go to Darryl L. Linnville of

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Speaker 2: the Media Forensics Hub whatever that is at Clemson University,

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Speaker 2: who tracks how social media is used to disseminate propaganda.

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Speaker 2: That's where you know, you'd figure they would go go

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Speaker 2: to a college professor. I guarantee you he'll give it

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Speaker 2: to you straight right down the line. There'll be no

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Speaker 2: liberal bias there. It goes on to say this guy,

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Speaker 2: Daryl Linnville, professor Lindeville, they all have goals that aligne

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Speaker 2: and they're all pointed in the same direction. And that

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Speaker 2: is because again, you New York Times won't do your job,

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Speaker 2: this well anyway, over the past, it goes on. Over

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Speaker 2: the past two years, pro Trump content creators have covered

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Speaker 2: dozens of protests, political rallies, and natural disasters, and they've

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Speaker 2: actually marched with are you ready anti Muslim activists? Oh no,

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Speaker 2: and embedded with immigration officials on raids. How is that

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Speaker 2: a bad thing?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Citizens ride with cops all the time.

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Speaker 2: Again, with the situation with Ice, what do they have

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Speaker 2: to hide? Why wouldn't they want to do something like that.

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Speaker 2: But again, this all boils down to New York Times

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Speaker 2: like I said, They've got investigative reporters out the wazoo,

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Speaker 2: but man, they ain't touching this because guess what, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't fit with their narrative. They could care less about

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Speaker 2: The story goes on to say in September, talking about

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Speaker 2: mister Shirley, he confronted a group of men selling what

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Speaker 2: appeared to be counterfeit watches in Lower Manhattan, calling them

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Speaker 2: quote illegal scammers close quote. Less than a month later,

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Speaker 2: the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency arrested several of the

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Speaker 2: same men in a targeted rate and New York Times

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Speaker 2: let me ask you, how is that a bad thing?

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Speaker 2: How is that a bad thing? You're not doing your job.

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Speaker 2: Somebody has to step up and do it well. And

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Speaker 2: it goes on. Little has proved as viral as his

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Speaker 2: portrayal of Somali's in Minnesota. Mister Shirley traveled to the

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Speaker 2: state in July to cover what he called the quote

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Speaker 2: with Somali Americans. Is there a problem there with that?

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Speaker 2: He returned soon after. He returned soon after. Mister Trump,

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Speaker 2: during a televised cabinet meeting early this month, called the

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Speaker 2: members of the dysphoria garbage who had ripped off taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: You know, honestly, I don't know that I would have

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Speaker 2: with the President using it. Garbage who ripped off taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: I'd say that's pretty accurate, isn't it? Nine billion dollars

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Speaker 2: and counting. Mister Shirley's latest video appears to have been

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Speaker 2: filmed on December seventeenth in and around Minneapolis, where he

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Speaker 2: knocks on the doors of numerous childcare and autism centers.

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Speaker 2: In some cases, there is no answer. When someone does

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Speaker 2: New York Times, the Washington Post, ABCCBS, NBC, that's what

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Speaker 2: But this twenty three year old citizen journalist, if you will,

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Speaker 2: to say prosecutors have exposed financial abuses in Minnesota's social

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Speaker 2: than nine billion dollars was stolen across several of the programs. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let me read this sentence to you for all of

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Speaker 2: on blaming everything on the Smalley community. Again, I repeat,

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Speaker 2: this is the New York Times reporting to date, ninety

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Speaker 2: eight people have been charged, nearly all of them Somali Americans.

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Speaker 2: Once again, to date, ninety eight people have been charged,

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Speaker 2: nearly all of them Somali Americans. By the way, the

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Speaker 2: specific count as I have it, there were ninety eight

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Speaker 2: think that's about the only accurate, only accurate thing that's

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Speaker 2: in this New York Times story. They're quoting someone here.

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Speaker 2: Who are they quoting. We don't know if children were

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Speaker 2: or were not present at the time the video was taken.

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Speaker 2: That's what the Department of Children, Youth and Families said.

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Speaker 2: In a statement regarding the video, When our licensers have

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Speaker 2: conducted visits to the buildings, it added, there have been

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Speaker 2: children present. Well again, take forty three minutes out of

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Speaker 2: These guys he shows up, and Shirley does, He's got

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Speaker 2: do people go to these schools? None of them can

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Speaker 2: answer anything. Where are the kids? None of them can answer.

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Speaker 2: They can't. And these buildings that they went to, these

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Speaker 2: so called learning centers, they all have their windows blacked out,

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Speaker 2: you know, with some kind of covering. So you me

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Speaker 2: and a citizen that wants to help with respect to

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Speaker 2: see anything in there. I mean, everything's okay, though, you know,

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Speaker 6: If they used the back so I've never seen nobody

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Speaker 2: This is is sir, Tippitty Iceberg. It really is. Now

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Speaker 2: You just can't. You can't because they're not gonna watch

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Speaker 2: And you know they're not going to did have to

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Speaker 9: You mentioned the New York Times saying that the newspapers

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Speaker 9: They haven't been. They only started covering this in the

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Speaker 9: with smiles would come in there and with their ev

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Speaker 9: T cards buy a bunch of food, and then they'd

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Speaker 9: taken over the restaurant and sell it. You heard about that?

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Speaker 2: I have not, But you know what, I'm serious. Nothing

436
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: surprises me. Nothing surprises me. You know. I think you

437
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Speaker 2: told me earlier in the week, Brad, that you heard

438
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Speaker 2: something about something brewing in Columbus. A lot of people

439
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: have heard that in Lo and behold here we go.

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Speaker 2: Not a lot known yet. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: had a chance to listen to that video that I

442
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Speaker 2: just played there but sounds like something very very similar

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Speaker 2: to what's going on in Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, I heard it. And you know what, that

445
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Speaker 9: Shirley guy, he does a lot of videos, not just

446
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Speaker 9: this right in the past, he's done videos about riots

447
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 9: or whatever. I can't remember exactly, and he does a

448
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 9: lot of shorts too. This Tribali things just just blowed up,

449
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 9: you know. I mean, well, I think it's wonderful that

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Speaker 9: this is coming out. And one more thing, Yeah, one

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Speaker 9: more thing. What Trump has been doing trying to fix

452
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Speaker 9: all this in the last year. So there's one common

453
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Speaker 9: denominator that boils down to all this problems we've had

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Speaker 9: in his Democrats. You know, I hate to say that, but.

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Speaker 2: It's true everything.

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Speaker 9: I mean, you name one thing since Obamacare, back when

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Speaker 9: Obama was president. Name one that's not the Democrats vault.

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Speaker 2: It's hard, anybody, it's hard to do that, Fred, and

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I agree with you also.

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Speaker 2: You hate to paint with a broad brush. Sometimes it's appropriate. Though,

461
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: where are the Democrats in the House, the Senate wherever,

462
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Speaker 2: screaming about this. I haven't heard any of them. If

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Speaker 2: anything cries out for bipartisan support. It's fixing this stuff,

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Speaker 2: but they won't do it. They sure won't do it

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota because they don't want to lose that Somali vote.

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Speaker 2: And that stinks. It stinks to high ebn.

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Speaker 9: Yes, and you know we need to start shunning Democrats.

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Speaker 5: Yep, I just shut them.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: You look at things and I guess the for the

471
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Speaker 2: mid terms in the House, it's about fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: Fifty percent Republican support Republicans fifty percent support Democrats. I

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Speaker 2: would never u strongly criticize someone in this country for

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Speaker 2: their political positions. But what in the hell are they thinking? Yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: you don't like Trump, we get it. He says things

476
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Speaker 2: that make people angry that he doesn't have to say.

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Speaker 2: We get that, But how can you not support what

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Speaker 2: he's doing. Just hold your nose, close your eyes, you know,

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Speaker 2: and vote for the man. I don't understand that, and

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Speaker 2: that's worrisome to me. You know.

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Speaker 9: I try to pay attention and a lot of people

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Speaker 9: don't pay attention. I get that, But paying attention if

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Speaker 9: you're a Democrat, I would be so embarrassed. I know,

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Speaker 9: I'd hang my head in shame. I get it, and

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't want to be seen in public.

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Speaker 2: But maybe Fred, maybe this is the thing that tips

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Speaker 2: the scale. I mean, you just can't have this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, Fred as always, thank you, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I really do wonder about that. How can someone

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Speaker 2: you know, democrat, goes out, works every day, puts food

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Speaker 2: on the table for his family. You know, kids go

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Speaker 2: to school, wife probably works too. I mean, how can

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Speaker 2: they look at what's going on in this country and say, gee,

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Speaker 2: I want to vote for Nancy Pelosi. I want to

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Speaker 2: vote for you know, Chuck Schumer. I just I don't

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Speaker 2: understand it. I respect the fact that I'm not always right.

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00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: Conservatives aren't always right. However, in this situation and so

498
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: many others, it is overwhelming. It really is overwhelming. And

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00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: one thing about a liberal, and I've said this for years,

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Speaker 2: over and over and over again, the main trait of

501
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 2: liberalism is arrogance. Arrogance in that they can never admit

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Speaker 2: when they're wrong. They will never listen to anyone else's

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Speaker 2: point of you. They are right by God, and don't

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Speaker 2: try to tell them that they aren't. And because in

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Speaker 2: their mind their cause is so just, they're allowed to

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Speaker 2: do anything to further it. You know, you're an elected

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Speaker 2: official in the state of Minnesota. You're the governor, you're

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Speaker 2: the attorney general, and you're not going to comment on

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Speaker 2: this thing or do anything about it. Of course, now

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00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: Walt's oh, he's doing all these things because you are

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Speaker 2: afraid that you might be labeled a racist or an

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Speaker 2: islamophobe fobe. That's bull, you know what it is. And

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00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: the people in this country are getting darn tired of it.

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Speaker 2: They really are. And you know, as I just said,

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Speaker 2: this may be the thing that finally brings people together

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Speaker 2: in that they say, We're not going to take this anymore.

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Speaker 2: I work too hard for my money, you know, I

518
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Speaker 2: don't want to see it nine billion in counter of

519
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: it wasted on stuff like this, daycare centers that can't

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Speaker 2: even spell learning. It was the leering LAA RNG center.

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Speaker 2: Daycare centers that don't have any kids, but they're getting

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Speaker 2: millions of bucks. Daycare centers where they have to put

523
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Speaker 2: black paper on the windows so you and I average

524
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Speaker 2: citizens or citizen journalists, they can't look in and see

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Speaker 2: what the heck's going on. At some point, you know,

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Speaker 2: the center is just not going to hold for these people.

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Speaker 2: It's not at some point, and you know what, I

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Speaker 2: don't understand why we really haven't reached it a long

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Speaker 2: time ago. But like I said, perhaps this is what

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Speaker 2: drives people over the edge. I guess we'll see. Hey,

531
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Speaker 2: we got to take a break, but I do want

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Speaker 2: to say that we will have open lines from ten

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Speaker 2: thirty to eleven this morning. But when we come back

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Speaker 2: at ten o'clock, we're going to talk to attorney and

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Speaker 2: legal analyst Steve Gooden. There's a situation again Minnesota brewing

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Speaker 2: up here. Maybe it's not just the executive branch up

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Speaker 2: there that has some problems with truthfulness and honesty. Perhaps

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Speaker 2: it might be at least one judge, perhaps two more,

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Speaker 2: and that is starting to come out now and Steve

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00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: has looked at it. He's going to give us his

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Speaker 2: opinion when we get back. Mike Allen in for Sloane,

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. I want to be an American idiot,

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Speaker 2: Kenna Wait News Radio, seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in

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Speaker 2: for Scott Sloan. But continuing with the narrative that is

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Speaker 2: coming to play with respect to the Somali community in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: and now we find out in Columbus that's just starting

547
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Speaker 2: to break the corruption in Minnesota may not be limited

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Speaker 2: to the executive branch, to wit, Governor Tim Waltz and

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Speaker 2: Attorney Keith I Love Louis Farrakahan Ellison. It may also,

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Speaker 2: and I underline may, it may also bleed over to

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Speaker 2: the judicial branch as well. Just bear with me here

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00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: because I want to lay this out for you, and

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Speaker 2: then we're going to get Steve's take on it. This

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00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: is from the Daily Mail. I think it lays it

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Speaker 2: out pretty good. The story a judge in Minneapolis had

556
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Speaker 2: sparked rage after she decided to overturn a taxpayer fraud

557
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Speaker 2: conviction that saw a husband and wife go down for

558
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Speaker 2: robbing seven point two million people seven point two million

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Speaker 2: dollars from people. Guy by the name of him going

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Speaker 2: to try to get this right. Ab Abdefada Yusuf. He's

561
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Speaker 2: forty four, was found guilty of robbing innocent taxpayers through

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Speaker 2: a home healthcare company called Promise Health. In August, a

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Speaker 2: jury found that he and his wife lu Ahmed rem

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Speaker 2: a dec eful medicaid fraud scheme out of a mailbox.

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Speaker 2: Like so many of these are at the so called

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Speaker 2: medical company and use the money for lavish shopping sprees,

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Speaker 2: including trips to name to name brand designers like Coach Canada, Goose, Nike,

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Speaker 2: Michael Cors and to purchase high end cars. That's according

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Speaker 2: to prosecutors. But in a shocking twist of events, and

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Speaker 2: months after Yusuf was found responsible for directing the massive scam,

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Speaker 2: Judge Sarah West decided last week that the jury was

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Speaker 2: all wrong and he should be let off the hook.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what Judge West did. Here to talk

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Speaker 2: about it is legal analyst Steve Gooden. Steve as you

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Speaker 2: know if you're a regular listener to this channel. He

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Speaker 2: is a former state prosecutor, worked for me in the

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Speaker 2: Prosecutor's office, former federal prosecutor for former Army Jack military prosecutor,

578
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Speaker 2: and longtime criminal defense attorney with the law firm of

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Speaker 2: port Wright where he handles complicated civil and criminal cases. Steve,

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Speaker 2: sorry for taking your thunder there, but I just wanted

581
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Speaker 2: to lay it out for people.

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Speaker 3: Well, it is complicated, and I'm glad you took the

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Speaker 3: time to set it up because it really is. And

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Speaker 3: again we don't know everything that's happened here, but just

585
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Speaker 3: from a thirty thousand foot view, it really is outrageous.

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Speaker 2: Well not going to rupt you. I promise this'd be

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Speaker 2: the only time. You have a hell of a lot

588
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: of experience. You've been around a long time like me.

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Speaker 2: How many times have you either been involved with or

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Speaker 2: even heard of, a judge taking away a jury verdict

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Speaker 2: after way after the fact. How many? And I'll tell you,

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Speaker 2: I've been in the system in one way, shape or

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Speaker 2: form for fifty one years. I've never seen it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm I'm in my twenty sixth year. I know

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Speaker 3: of one case where it happened. It wasn't my case,

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Speaker 3: and it was overturned on appeal, Okay, once out of

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Speaker 3: the hut. I mean it was in a civil case

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Speaker 3: and it was in a dispute over jury instructions. Never

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Speaker 3: in a criminal case, and never ever ever in a

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Speaker 3: criminal case. I mean, occasionally you'll hear something like this

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Speaker 3: happened once in a blue moon in a civil case,

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Speaker 3: you know, a big dollar civil case where the jury

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Speaker 3: instructions are complex, and then really deligation and appeal just

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Speaker 3: moves to the jury instruction. To occasionally hear something like that,

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Speaker 3: But then a criminal case. Never, And it's just absurd

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Speaker 3: to me. I mean, I mean, what we really have,

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Speaker 3: You've got a couple of different big things going on.

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Speaker 3: I would note this is an elected state court judge,

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Speaker 3: and we know in that area, and I've been out

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Speaker 3: to Minnesota. I've actually handled a couple of cases out

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Speaker 3: there over the years. Of Minneapolis, you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: city between that and Saint Paul. It's very much kind

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Speaker 3: of like what we have here. Henhamton County is a

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Speaker 3: lot like Hamilton County in.

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Speaker 5: A lot of ways.

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Speaker 3: But they have had this influx of Somali immigrants over

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Speaker 3: the years, and they really have really flexed their political

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Speaker 3: muscle in that area. You've seen sort of Governor Waltz

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Speaker 3: cow howing to them and you know, bringing the Somali

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Speaker 3: flag famously, you know, into the governor's mansion at one point.

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Speaker 3: And you see that the mayor of Minneapolis absolutely chases

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Speaker 3: those votes and goes to There's all these videos of

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Speaker 3: them online dancing at Somali festivals and you and eating

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Speaker 3: Somali food and so forth. So it's a big voting

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Speaker 3: block as well. So I you know, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to cast dispersions on this judge about the politics of it,

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Speaker 3: but it does as we see other elected officials really

628
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Speaker 3: chasing the Somali vote in Hennipon County. You make sure

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Speaker 3: wonder what's going on here, And also note that this judge,

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Speaker 3: she's one of three. There are now three state court

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Speaker 3: judges who have tossed some of these convictions on very

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Speaker 3: strange grounds. I mean, basically, all she says in her

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Speaker 3: decision is that, well, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence here.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, having litigated financial crimes on both

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Speaker 3: sides in criminal cases, I can tell you that they're

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Speaker 3: almost always circumstantial crimes. I mean no, I mean, they're

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Speaker 3: paper crimes. There's never like one witness. These are elaborate

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Speaker 3: scams that play out over months and years at times.

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Speaker 3: They are all driven by paperwork and false paperwork, and

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Speaker 3: that's just what they are, by their nature circumstantial. So

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's very rarely just one person

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Speaker 3: in a room who sees it. You know, the difference

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Speaker 3: of direct evidence, you know, for the circumstantial evidence. Direct

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Speaker 3: evidence is there's a direct witness or an admission or

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Speaker 3: something of that nature. Circumstantial is when you go back

646
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Speaker 3: through and piece together what happened through documents and other things.

647
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: And that's classic what they do here. In fact, I

648
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: love this. In Minneapolis, they call this we don't have

649
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: this terminal Ohio, they call this theft by swindle. These

650
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: guys were convicted of theft by sweaty. Yeah it is,

651
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: and it's absolutely on point. I mean, you know, and

652
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: I've seen these and I've worked on some of these cases.

653
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: You know, you have tremendous amounts of federal dollars that

654
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: go into different programs for home health care and trialcare

655
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: and things of that nature. The whole healthcare is a

656
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 3: really big one right now because we have a lot

657
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: of aging baby boomers who we're trying to stay in

658
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: their homes, and they really just aren't enough government agencies

659
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 3: to manage those funds, so they end up hiring these

660
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: independent contractors. I went through this with my dad a

661
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: few years ago, where he had someone coming in a

662
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: few days a week.

663
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 5: Through his Medicaid.

664
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Speaker 3: And there's nothing wrong with it unless you have some

665
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: fly by night company that is dummying the time sheets

666
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: or not even providing the services and just getting the

667
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: Medicaid which dollars, which is.

668
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Speaker 5: What happened here.

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Speaker 3: And I will note the Trump administration apparently yesterday suspended

670
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: all payments to the state of Minnesota, the whole state

671
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 3: until they can get a better handle on this, because

672
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: what they're saying, you know, the one the one report

673
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: that's come out is that this could be in the

674
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: billions of dollars. But these these Somali groups who've kind

675
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: of figured out that these programs are not being properly

676
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: monitored at the state level. It's federal dollars, but the

677
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: state administers them and then passes them on down to

678
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: these independent businesses, and it's a major loophole to swindle

679
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: the taxpayers. So, you know, it's a really bad thing

680
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: and I cannot, for the life we understand why this

681
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: judge did this absent political pressure.

682
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Speaker 2: Let me let me do this, Steve, if I may.

683
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: I've got quotes from two of the jurors that I

684
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: want to read to you and get your thoughts on it. Okay,

685
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: this is reporting out of Fox News. A guy by

686
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 2: the name of Ben Walfoot, he apparently was the jury

687
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: for person in Usef's case, said that the decision to

688
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: convict wasn't a complicated one. And I'm quoting the jury

689
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: for person here. Quote. It was not a difficult decision.

690
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: What'so the deliberations took probably four hours at most. Based

691
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: off the state's evidence that was presented, it was beyond

692
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt. I am shocked. I'm shocked because all

693
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: of the evidence that was presented to us in the

694
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,479
Speaker 2: obvious guilt that we saw based off the based off

695
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: the said evidence. Okay, then one more, I've got this.

696
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: This is out of Daily Mail. I don't think there's again, No,

697
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: there's not a name attached to this one. Another juror

698
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: on the case echoed Walflet's we just read his thing,

699
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: stanced telling the outlet, telling the Daily Mail quote. We

700
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: didn't take our job lightly. We went through a lot

701
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: of evidence and discussed a lot. Took our time, but

702
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: we all came to an agreement pretty easily. Now, question,

703
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: why would a judge ignore twelve citizens who you know,

704
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: were subject of we're dire questions and everything else, ignore

705
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 2: that and submit her own judgment on this. I don't.

706
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that there's an answer, do you know?

707
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 5: I don't.

708
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 3: I mean, the only thing that I think she glancingly

709
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: mentioned sort of in her decision is I guess there

710
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: was something. There was some thought that the guy's brother

711
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: could have been involved in the scam in some way,

712
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: but again that was for his attorneys to flesh out.

713
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 3: And one of the things I think is really disgusting,

714
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: and this is this isn't just in this case or

715
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: in this judge. This is a trend right now, particularly

716
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: among a lot of younger judges. And we see it

717
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: here in Cincinnati two. Which is this disregard for the

718
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: jury system. Yes, and we saw this in the in

719
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: this we were talking earlier this week about Elwood Jones

720
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: and what happened. It's, you know, somewhere lost in that,

721
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 3: you know, is this decision, you know, in the decision

722
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: to clear Elwood Jones, is the idea that twelve people

723
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: spent weeks in a room curing the evidence and made

724
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 3: a decision and that's all just been wiped out. And

725
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: it is infuriating if you were a juror and you

726
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: take time off work, and a lot of places don't

727
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: even really pay you for the time off. You sit there,

728
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: you do your civic duty, you do the stressful thing.

729
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: You sit there for eight nine hours a day, listen

730
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: to evidence, make a decision. You know, really, you know,

731
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: put your heart and soul into these cases, as most

732
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: jurors do, and then just to have it wiped out

733
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: with a stroke of a pen and to really have

734
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 3: no good explanations for why that happened. I mean, it

735
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 3: really does kind of strike at the heart of the system.

736
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a big believer in juries.

737
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you can't.

738
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Speaker 3: Explain, particularly in a criminal case, if you can't explain

739
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 3: what happened and why it was criminal to twelve average

740
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: citizens with no real legal background, then.

741
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 5: You shouldn't convict them. I mean, you know, it's that simple.

742
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: Like, you know, it has to it doesn't just need

743
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: to be a crime that's written in a law book somewhere,

744
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: but it has to be something that actually offends, you know,

745
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 3: the conscience of the community. It's why the founding fathers,

746
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: you know, put the jury system right at the heart

747
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: of our system. So yeah, that is kind of this

748
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: trend among these more progressive judges right now, is that well,

749
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 3: the juries were just misled or kind of dumb or

750
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what they're thinking here, but I mean

751
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: I think it's a really bad thing. It's such a

752
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 3: terrible precedent, and hopefully there's some pushback here, but it

753
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: does make you wonder, and I think it makes jurisynical

754
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 3: if you're going to go and put all this time

755
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: and effort into something like this, and again, take all

756
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: this time, make sacrifices in terms of childcare and work

757
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: or whatever else you got going in your life, and

758
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: then just be told by some judge for political reasons

759
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean anything. I mean, that's a bad day.

760
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: It really is. And you know you touched on this, Steve,

761
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 2: and even the judge, mistakenly, I believe, said this criticizing

762
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: circumstantial evidence. As you know from all the cases you've tried,

763
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: as I know for all the cases I've tried. In

764
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: many cases, circumstantial evidence is the strongest evidence. And you're correct, Steve.

765
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: In a white collar case, that's pretty much all you have.

766
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 2: And it's not bad evidence. More often than not, it's

767
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: strong evidence.

768
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: Well, well, of course it is.

769
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you know, half the time, people

770
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 3: are always you know, going through these, you know, thousands

771
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 3: of emails thinking there's going to be some perfect email

772
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: where someone you know, among the co conspirators where they say, hey,

773
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: we're this is the precise crime we're going to create there,

774
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: and this is how we're going to do this scheme

775
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: and broad it doesn't work that way. That's not how

776
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: human beings do these things. And there tend not to

777
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: be documents. There tend not to be the of the

778
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: precise scam. You have to piece it together after the fact.

779
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just what it is. And it's that

780
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: you know that classic thing that we always used to

781
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: use in Void Hier I guess you know in the

782
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 3: office of our former colleague day prem used to use

783
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: it so much we actually asked them not to.

784
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 5: About the cookie jar. Yeah, I mean, do you need

785
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 5: to see.

786
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: Somebody actually if you if you come home and you

787
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: had a cookie jar and the cookie jar is empty,

788
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: there's crumbs everywhere, and there's cookie crumbs on your kid's

789
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: face and chocolate on his face. Do you need to

790
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: have actually seen him get into the cookie jar to

791
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 3: prove that he ate the cookies. No, you can use

792
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 3: your common sense and make inferences from That's the classic

793
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence, you know, example that is used to explain

794
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: it to Jerry. So, yeah, when you see these payments

795
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: flowing in, when you see a mailbox set up to

796
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: accept them, when you see money going out in personal spending,

797
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: that these folks don't have. And when you see no

798
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: services being provided by this dummy company that was set up,

799
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: that's circumstantial evidence of a massive fraud. So you know,

800
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. You don't need a confession at that point.

801
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: There is no DNA evidence in a case like this.

802
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: It is by its very nature circumstantial. And if you're

803
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: going to say you can't make these cases circumstantially, you

804
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 3: can't make them at all, You may as well just quit.

805
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 3: The Attorney general out in I was handling this out

806
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 3: in Minnesota is apparently furious as well. I mean, they're

807
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: all they're all Democrats, but at this point they've actually

808
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: turned on each other. And I know they're trying to

809
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 3: appeal what the judge did here, and I think that's

810
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: very appropriate under the circumstance.

811
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Speaker 2: We shall see, we shall see. Hey, we only got

812
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: about a minute and a half left legal issues aside.

813
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: Just globally, Steve, what are your thoughts on this whole thing.

814
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, I've never seen anything like it. I

815
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: think it's probably it's headed to be the worst scandal

816
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: financially in this country's history. But what's your your thousand

817
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: foot view on this? Thing.

818
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's about to come home because you know,

819
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: there is as you mentioned at the top of this segment,

820
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: that there is a very large Somali population also in Columbus,

821
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: and I know there's a lot of folks who are

822
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 3: you know, who are starting to look there to see

823
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 3: if this is a part of a pattern that these

824
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: guys did. I would note though, I mean, this isn't

825
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: really limited to the Somali immigrants. I mean, in one way,

826
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: it shows that you know, this kind of corruption, this

827
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: kind of swindle is unfortunately very American as well. I

828
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: think the bigger issue is that we have so many

829
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 3: dollars flowing into this sector that are just not properly monitored.

830
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 3: You know that the opportunities for what theyways called freight fraud,

831
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: waste and abuse are are are massive. You have a

832
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: lot of very small companies getting a lot of dollars

833
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: with just kind of based on their handwritten timesheets in

834
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: some instances. So we need to be taking a huge

835
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 3: look at how we do this. And I know we

836
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: set aside a lot of money. Again, we have a

837
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: very aging the baby boobier population is huge. It's a

838
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: lot of money flowing there and a lot of it

839
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: is going through these very small companies, so we're going

840
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: to have to take a huge look at this otherwise.

841
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 3: But I would I would get ready to see what's

842
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: going on in Columbus.

843
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Speaker 5: I mean the I mean, I know that there's a.

844
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Speaker 3: Lot of a lot of attention being paid there. I

845
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 3: think outside of Minneapolis, Columbus is the second bigest group

846
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: of Somali immigrants in the US. So we'll a wait

847
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: and see what's going on there.

848
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: A guy by the name of Anthony Rubin, I guess

849
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: we found out at the top of the show and

850
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: we actually played it dropped about a two and a

851
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: half minute video similar to the one that was dropped

852
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. So we'll see what happens from there. But

853
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: really appreciate your take on this, Steve, very very helpful.

854
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: Hey anytime, Mike, Happy New Year location.

855
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: You too, Thank you. All right, Hey, we got to

856
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: take a break. Button we get back your calls. Seven

857
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Speaker 2: four nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred. The big one

858
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Speaker 2: are the numbers. Mike Allen in for Slowney seven hundred

859
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Speaker 2: WLW and we're back Mike Allen in for Sloaney. On

860
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Speaker 2: New Year's Eve, we're going to take some calls here.

861
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: Our friend Bobby g or Jay, I'm sorry, Hey Bobby,

862
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: Happy New Year, buddy.

863
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: Happy new year to you, my friend, faith, Flag, family

864
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 4: and collective bargaining. I'm glad they brought in the A

865
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 4: team today.

866
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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's kind of you to say thank you.

867
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 4: But hey, I tell you what, reflecting on twenty twenty five,

868
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: you know, I hate to be this way, but we

869
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 4: have hid it ninety five percent of the time. So

870
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: do you have anything in the Cristal ball coming up

871
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 4: for twenty six?

872
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 2: Boy? Who knows? I mean, it's gonna be an interesting year.

873
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 2: I think this Minnesota thing that I've been talking about

874
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: for the last three days, that's gonna be a big, big,

875
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: big part of it. Of course, at the end of

876
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: the year, we're gonna have the midterms, which we'll tell

877
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 2: the tale as to whether Donald Trump is truly a

878
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: lame duck if we lose either one of the two

879
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: Senate or House. I think the answer to that is yes.

880
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what I see, Bobby, What do

881
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: you see?

882
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: I see We're going to go ahead and extend the

883
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 4: cultural a little bit more that I've discussed this summer

884
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 4: I think will be hot and coming into South America.

885
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: We're going to take more attention off Venezuela and put

886
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 4: it down into Ecuador.

887
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 2: You know, I tell you that way, I'm sorry, going

888
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: to have.

889
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 4: To support the no, no, no, we have to support the

890
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 4: Ecuador and president. We've had contractors down there, I know,

891
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: since first March, you know. And that way we got

892
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 4: the bottom end of Columbian we have the top end also.

893
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, And I've heard some people grumbling

894
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: about Trump's attention to South America, but it's all about

895
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: the Monroe Doctrine and that part of the world has

896
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: been so ignored by us for so long that I

897
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: think it's a wise move that he's doing that. And

898
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: also Red China, they're making a play for a lot

899
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 2: of those countries down there too, So we got to

900
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: do it. I mean, the bottom line is he's doing

901
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: what other presidents should have been doing but didn't want

902
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: to do.

903
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 5: Well.

904
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 4: We have to protect the Western hemisphere. And if you

905
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: go into the Monroe and it also says that we

906
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 4: will stay out of European affairs.

907
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know. Yesterday, I don't know if

908
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: you were listening. I had a guest on that was

909
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 2: talking about just that, the situation with the strategic plan

910
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: that was just released not too long ago. Where in

911
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 2: the past years it's been eurocentric, this one. Yeah, still

912
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: concerns about Europe, but it's not the whole ball of

913
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: wax though.

914
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 4: Well, it will hurt us more if we ever have

915
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 4: to deal with an embargo around Taiwan. Yeah, and their

916
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 4: landing crafts have been completed yet almost a year now,

917
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 4: and the three factories that they were building them in

918
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 4: they went ahead and done other things with them. Oh.

919
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: Really, they're prepared. They're prepared, and that's interesting.

920
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all they have to do is the embargo

921
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 4: around it, and they don't have to do any aerial

922
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: or attacks or anything like that. The embargo will take

923
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 4: care of it. And within seventy two hours, I guarantee

924
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: you the world will feel the impact because of the CHIP, no.

925
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: Question about it. And you know, Trump, unlike some other presidents,

926
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: stood firm with Taiwan and make no mistake about it.

927
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: And I know you really realize this, Bobby. The Chinese

928
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 2: want Taiwan back, and they've wanted that, wanted it back

929
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: ever since Chang Kai Shek was chased by Mao over

930
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: to for most of Taiwan, and they believe strongly that

931
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: that is a part of Red China. They want to

932
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Speaker 2: do it. I also heard just I think it was yesterday,

933
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: maybe the day before, that the Chinese jets are doing

934
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: some very provocative flyovers, very very close to Taiwan. So

935
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: he's spoiling for a fight. You know, I thought, and

936
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: I said this more than once. I thought for sure

937
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: that that president she would make a play for Taiwan

938
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: during the Biden administration. You know, he's got to know

939
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: if he drives out with Trump, Trump's going to respond.

940
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: Biden probably wouldn't have.

941
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 4: I see, it's going to be a hot summer. Yeah,

942
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 4: that's the best way I can put it. You can

943
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: call it a black Swan event or whatever you want to.

944
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 4: And I tell people all the time, be prepared for

945
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 4: the seventy two hour window. Yeah, they said, what are

946
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 4: you talking about? And I said, you don't even have

947
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 4: enough water in your home or anything. Provisions to go

948
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: ahead and take care of it, because if you're not

949
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 4: prepared for the first seventy two hours, it'll be very

950
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 4: difficult to get prepared for.

951
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: No question about it. And you know, had you said

952
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: something like that about ten years ago, I'd say, well,

953
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: maybe that's a little bit of an overreaction, not now,

954
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: because who knows what in the heck is going to happen,

955
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 2: And I think people be wise to be prepared. And

956
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: obviously no real patriot wants that, but in this world,

957
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: who knows. But hey, I appreciate the call. I appreciate

958
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 2: you looking into the future too.

959
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 4: The next year, Bobby, Well, God bless you your family

960
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: and all your friends this new holiday season.

961
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: So you too, you too, thank you. Yeah, you know

962
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: that Taiwan thing, I mean, that is just so close

963
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 2: to blowing. But you know, I think President she good

964
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: chance he'll sit on his hands until Trump is finished,

965
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: and then, I mean hopefully we get JD. Vans, and

966
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: I believe that he would continue the president's policy for

967
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 2: strong support for Taiwan. I mean, that's the way it's

968
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: been since nineteen forty eight, and we can't welsh on

969
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: our promises. So oh, it's an interesting and dangerous world

970
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: we're living in. Let me talk to Mike in Claremont County. Hey,

971
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: good morning, Mike.

972
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 10: Hey before I forget, happy New year, classmate, And did

973
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 10: I hear you correctly on the Saturday Show that you're

974
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 10: a new grandparent.

975
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I am, I am. I got a little

976
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: granddaughter and I am so happy. Her name is Estelle,

977
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: but we're going to call her Stella and it's been

978
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: a long time coming from me. And I know who

979
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: this mic is. This is a mit not only my

980
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: high school class mate, but grade school class make correct

981
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: all the way back. Yes, sir, there you go. Brother

982
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: spent thirty three years, I believe in the Navy, the

983
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: overwhelming majority of that on a submarine. Am I right?

984
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 10: Yes, sir, power the deep and we had our own

985
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 10: ways to celebrate. I was out one time under underway

986
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 10: and but once again, let's never forget our armed forces

987
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 10: that are out there standing to watch during this difficult

988
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 10: time and separation from their families.

989
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: You are so right, you know. I had a caller

990
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: the other day talk about the how China is really

991
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: rebooting their navy and building warships. Is that something that

992
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: you pay attention to, Mike, And do you have any

993
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: take on it?

994
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

995
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 10: I retired to No. Three, but even then, pretty much

996
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 10: the Pacific is covered by our bases in Pearl Harbor

997
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 10: and San Diego, but we saw the threat even in

998
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 10: the late nineties early two thousands to where we now

999
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 10: have five deployed submarines in even one of our ssgns.

1000
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 10: Those are the old missile carrion boats that are fully

1001
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 10: loaded with Tomahawks. They're now home based in Guam, so

1002
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 10: that cuts down that travel time. So that has always

1003
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 10: been on the radar, and as well as we've had

1004
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 10: bases in Yakuska, Japan, all all the way back into

1005
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 10: the seventies, so we are definitely monitoring the situation, no doubt.

1006
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: Well in Japan is re arming too, and in my

1007
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: opinion that's a good thing. I mean, they need to

1008
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: start holding up their end of the thing too, and

1009
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 2: apparently they're in a big rebuilding program.

1010
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 10: Absolutely, And one thing that's just tremendous. It was at

1011
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 10: the beginning of this year and actually got started in

1012
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 10: a last administration to where but unprecedented, to where our

1013
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 10: Australian Navy counterparts we are actually building the new Virginia

1014
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 10: class fat attack thumbornes and they will get the exact

1015
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 10: copy of what we have. So that shows that trust

1016
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 10: with that alliance and once again realizing Holen pull and

1017
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 10: that part of the Pacific Ocean is are they going.

1018
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: To name one of those things after you, Mike? I

1019
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: think they should.

1020
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 10: We'll call it the USS Panther or the USS outdr

1021
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 10: How about that?

1022
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: There you go, brother, Hey, listeny real quick, Yeah, sure,

1023
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1024
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 8: Real quick on Minnesota if I may.

1025
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 10: You know, I'm as outraged as you are, but not

1026
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 10: surprised because this is where all the pushback came from

1027
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 10: DOGE when they started banging up USA. I d it's

1028
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 10: not about the kids, it's about people that were losing

1029
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 10: their cash cow. And the one video that I just

1030
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 10: loved because obviously Minnesota gets a lot more snow than

1031
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 10: we do, so a little two or three in snowfall

1032
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 10: is not going to stop any operations up there. But

1033
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 10: that wonderful reporter that went to one of those learning

1034
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 10: centers or excuse me leering right, Not only was the

1035
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 10: the parking lot not plowed, there was not one car track,

1036
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 10: not one footprint, and he went back a couple of days.

1037
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 10: So you know, Inspector KLUSA could have figured that one out.

1038
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1039
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 10: So I think our good auditor, mister Faber, I don't

1040
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 10: think he'll be celebrating tonight. He better be cracking the

1041
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 10: books open because I think, once again, to quote a

1042
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 10: famous American being yourself, this is just a tip of

1043
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 10: the Iceberg and Columbus.

1044
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: Amen.

1045
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 5: Brother.

1046
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw or not or heard

1047
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: at the top of the show. My producer was able

1048
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: to find that thing in Columbus, so it's going to

1049
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 2: break up there. But really appreciate the call, Mike, and

1050
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: happy I hear to you.

1051
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 10: Happy New Year, sir.

1052
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: Okay, brother, thank you. Yeah. Thirty three years in the

1053
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: United States Navy and most of them on submarines. I'll

1054
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: tell you what, that's a hell of a service record. Hey,

1055
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: let's do this. Let's take a short break and we'll

1056
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: come back and maybe just maybe even do a little

1057
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: bit of fluff until we have our guest, Kevin Burton

1058
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,479
Speaker 2: at eleven o'clock. And boy, that's going to be interesting too.

1059
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: We're going to play an end of the year political

1060
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: game lightning Round. What's going to happen is I'm going

1061
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: to read a political question, JI ask Kevin a political question.

1062
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 2: He has to come up with a one word answer,

1063
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: and I think it'll be fun. Hey, we will be

1064
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: back Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW ten

1065
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: to fifty four News Radio seven hundred WLW, Mike Allen

1066
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: in four Scott Sloan on New Year's Eve be here

1067
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Speaker 2: tomorrow too, and tomorrow we will do a substantial amount

1068
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Speaker 2: of what was referred to as fluff, and it kind

1069
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Speaker 2: of is. But let's get a little preview of that now.

1070
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Speaker 2: CNN Believe It or Not has what looks to be

1071
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: a pretty straightforward and pretty unbiased Believe It or Not

1072
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. In review fast Facts starting with January,

1073
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Speaker 2: the first appropriately enough sad story. Fourteen people are killed

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Speaker 2: in dozens injured. Oh man, I remember this when a

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Speaker 2: driver rams's pickup truck into a crowd during a New

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Speaker 2: Year's Eve celebration on Bourbon Street in New Orleans. The

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Speaker 2: FBI described the event as an act of terrorism. The

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Speaker 2: driver who was killed in the shootout with police was

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Speaker 2: identified as Shamsud didn Jabbar. Imagine that forty two year

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01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: old Army veteran from Texas who just happened to have

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 2: an ISIS flag in his truck. And I remember watching that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that was really bad. And you know, I'm

1083
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 2: loath to criticize cops in any way, shape or form,

1084
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: But the New Orleans Police Department, I think, starting with

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 2: the chief, had some real problems down there, not just that,

1086
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: but other things too. I guess the big one on

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01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: that one was you know those things, those barriers that

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01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: you have that supposedly we'll keep a car from going

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01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: somewhere that the police don't want them to go. I

1090
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: guess either it didn't work or they didn't have it,

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 2: but hopefully they got that situation taken care of. I'll

1092
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: tell you just a personal story with respect to New Orleans.

1093
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: This wasn't. This one on January first was not the

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01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: big one. Marty Gras I took with buddy. My daughter

1095
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: went to school at spring Hill College, which is close

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Speaker 2: to New Orleans. Anyway, my buddy and I took the

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01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: train to New Orleans to see Marty Gras spend some

1098
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: time with my daughter. It's not something i'd ever do again.

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01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 2: It was cool, I mean it really was just the

1100
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: pageantry and everything else. But Bourbon Street is absolutely crazy,

1101
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean stupid, crazy, dangerous crazy, and from what I understand,

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Speaker 2: it hasn't gotten any better. I have been to New

1103
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: Orleans a couple times after that, not during Marty Gras.

1104
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: It's a really cool place. But anyway, it's moved right

1105
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: along here in the fluff department. January seventh of this year, wildfire. Oh,

1106
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: this is horrible. Wildfire swept through Los Angeles. Dozens are

1107
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: killed in more than sixteen thousand structures, You're damaged. Over

1108
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: thirty thousand acres are burned in the Eton and Palisades fires.

1109
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: The Eaton and Palisades fires rank as the second and

1110
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: third most destructive wildfires in Southern California history. That was

1111
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: just awful, And if I'm not mistaken, I didn't really

1112
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: pay that much attention to it. I think there's a

1113
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: report out on that that just came out maybe this

1114
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: week that a lot of people don't seem to be

1115
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: happy with and don't seem to think that it was

1116
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: really comprehensive enough. Maybe I'll take a look at that

1117
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: and we can talk about that later. January seventh, same day,

1118
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg announced that Meta will adjust its content review

1119
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: policies on Facebook and Instagram. Uh yeah, I remember this,

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01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 2: getting rid of fact checkers and replacing them with user

1121
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: generated community notes, similar to Elon Musk's at Well, you know,

1122
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: the thing with fact checkers are and if you follow

1123
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: me this stuff nine times out of ten with alleged

1124
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: fact checkers. The Conservatives get the short end of the

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 2: stick on that, so they're not really the majority, not

1126
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 2: really unbiased fact checkers. So that doesn't break my heart

1127
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: that they got rid of them. Ah, here's one. And

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01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's just so hard to believe that this

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01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: is only one year ago. Okay. January tenth, former President

1130
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is sentenced to unconditional discharge for his conviction

1131
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: last year on thirty four charges of business fraud related

1132
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 2: to a hush money payment two Stormy alleged hush money.

1133
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't say that, I'm gonna put it in there,

1134
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: alleged hush money payment to Stormy Daniels. This means he

1135
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: will not be in prison, No, I don't think so,

1136
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: find or face probation. But his conviction still stands, and

1137
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: he will enter office as a convicted felon. And now

1138
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: you know what, I said something at the very beginning,

1139
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: it looked like it was straightforward. It looked like it

1140
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 2: was down the middle. But I take that back. Yeah,

1141
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: that could be written a lot better and a lot

1142
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 2: more accurately. January twentieth, Before leaving office, President Joe Biden

1143
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: issues a slate of preemptive pardons. Yeah, quite a few

1144
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 2: for prominent critics of President elect Trump. Now see now

1145
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: they're making up for it by being fair. Later, he

1146
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: issues pardons for members of his family to wit the

1147
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: Biden crime family. Hey, we got to leave it here

1148
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: because we got to break for the news. But when

1149
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: we get back, we're gonna be talking to Kevin Burton.

1150
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna have the end of the year political game show,

1151
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 2: the Lightning Round. I think it'll be fun. Mike Allen

1152
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: in for Slowey seven hundred WLW.

1153
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

1154
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 2: Hey, we're back. Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred WLW.

1155
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: Be in for him tomorrow as well. Wanted to tell

1156
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,959
Speaker 2: you at we are talking Ohio State versus Miami, which

1157
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: you will be able to hear tonight on the big one,

1158
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: big big game, and I'm gonna be talking to talking

1159
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 2: about it with I'm gonna make it his surprise. But

1160
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 2: this dude knows his Ohio State football, so that'll be fun.

1161
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 2: We'll do that at eleven thirty. But in the meantime,

1162
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 2: I think this is gonna be fun. We're gonna talk

1163
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: to independent political analyst. We talked to him quite a bit,

1164
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 2: Kevin Burton. But we're gonna do it kind of in

1165
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 2: a fun way. So Kevin, thank you so much for

1166
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: calling and participating in this today.

1167
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 11: Mike, thank you for having me.

1168
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're ready, I'm ready.

1169
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 11: I'm ready.

1170
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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. This is kind of, I think

1171
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: a fun idea for you know, kind of an end

1172
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: of the year. It's gonna be a political lightning round.

1173
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna mention something to Kevin, a political event

1174
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: or something that happened, and he has to describe that

1175
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 2: with one word. Of course, we can expound on it later. Okay,

1176
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: let's start off with this, Kevin, pretty general, what is

1177
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:14,599
Speaker 2: one word that you would use to describe politics this year?

1178
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 11: Dumpster fire?

1179
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, dumpster fire. Well, I'll tell you what it's

1180
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: It's hard to disagree with that, But tell me why

1181
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: you say that.

1182
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 11: I mean, I just think you look locally, I think

1183
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 11: you look nationally. We had stories both sides of the

1184
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 11: aisles of just what the heck are they doing? Can

1185
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 11: we think of any major legislation that was passed?

1186
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 5: No?

1187
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 11: No, And it's it's all for clicks. And all for attention.

1188
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 11: I just can't think of any milestones that were passed,

1189
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 11: you know, that are helping the American people. So my

1190
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 11: word would be dumpster fire.

1191
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you know what, I'd have to agree with that,

1192
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: all right, moving right along, This is a good one too, boy,

1193
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: This could be a lot of people who had the

1194
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 2: worst week in politics this year. Your thoughts on that,

1195
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: Kevin Burton.

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01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 11: So I'll do one local than one national, Okay, I

1197
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 11: think local. It has to be Victoria Parks for her

1198
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 11: comments of they deserved it after the fight. I think

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01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 11: that was the worst week in politics, stand for everything.

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01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 2: That you didn't like, yep.

1201
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 11: And then Nashally, I'm gonna go with Elon Musk. His

1202
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 11: fall has been pretty substantial. You know, he's not the

1203
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 11: Golden Boy anymore, his fallout with Trump, his you know,

1204
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 11: the stock prices of Tesla going down.

1205
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:46,879
Speaker 5: So those would be my two answers.

1206
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I agree with both a little bit

1207
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: more with Victoria Parks. And you know, I don't know her,

1208
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 2: I had never met or don't know anything about her,

1209
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 2: but my goodness, what a horrible thing to say. And

1210
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 2: that whole thing is still going on Kevin Is. I'm

1211
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: sure you probably know. I guess they extended the time

1212
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: for Frost Brown the law firm to try to find

1213
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 2: something that she did wrong to give the city a

1214
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: Cincinnati a basis for firing her.

1215
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 11: As we know, Billibool hours are undefeated, especially between Christmas

1216
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 11: and Thanksgiving. So I mean, good for UFBT, good for

1217
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:26,839
Speaker 11: you with those hours.

1218
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. And you're not even a lawyer, but

1219
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: you do get the drill man. That's pretty good. All right,

1220
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: all right, moving right along, which political story made you

1221
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: see what? Wait? No, I'm sorry, wait what. I'm waiting

1222
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: to hear what you say about this one.

1223
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 11: Uh, I'm gonna have to go with our mayor and

1224
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 11: the repo that well, you know, you know, there's a

1225
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 11: lot of things that as political consultants you can try

1226
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 11: to stop try to plan for. Getting a car repossessed

1227
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 11: is not one of them, you know, So that that

1228
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 11: would be my weight what Yeah, he took a beating

1229
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 11: on that one. My my national one would probably be

1230
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 11: Golf of Mexico. I still I'm just like, I wait,

1231
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 11: what but that is a less serious one.

1232
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: The Golf of America. Now, I don't know, I mean

1233
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: when they're making new maps and things. Since Trump did that,

1234
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: are people actually like putting in the golf of America

1235
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: or Yeah? I don't know. I mean I don't obviously

1236
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 2: he does any other power to change what people think.

1237
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 2: But I kind of scratched my head on that. I

1238
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: think it was a play to americanized things.

1239
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 11: I guess, yeah, yeah, but it's it's silly. I don't

1240
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:07,839
Speaker 11: think it's a real issue. Call it what you want.

1241
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 8: It, I get it.

1242
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: What issue are people pretending to care about? That's a

1243
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: good one. I want to know what you think.

1244
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 11: Civility now that's good Ken.

1245
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: Do you think do you think people really don't care

1246
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 2: about that? Because man, I sure hear a lot of

1247
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: people saying, and I'm one of them, it would be

1248
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 2: nice if we could just have a little bit of bipartisanship,

1249
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 2: a little bit of civility. But now you're you're pretty grizzled,

1250
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: I guess, and jaded is a political consultant, But you

1251
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: really you really don't think people care about that?

1252
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 11: I mean, I just go back to Okay, whenever we

1253
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 11: have a controversy or anything, the same people who want

1254
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 11: praise for bringing the community together will pare it apart,

1255
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 11: people keep voting Congress the exact same, They keep voting

1256
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 11: the exact same. Right, if people wanted real change, they

1257
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 11: would actually show with their ballot box. So until that happens,

1258
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 11: that would be my word. And you know, me and

1259
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 11: Mike we didn't plan this where this is just all

1260
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 11: rapid fire.

1261
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: So no, and I get it too. And you make

1262
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: a good point. If people really felt that way, perhaps

1263
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: there'd be more crossover voting, which is I understand it.

1264
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 2: There is very little, if any of that, So I

1265
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: get it. I get it. Okay, moving right along here.

1266
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:42,640
Speaker 2: What issue do people actually care about? But politicians ignore.

1267
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:49,480
Speaker 11: Campaign finance? Campaign limits?

1268
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 10: You know?

1269
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 11: You look, people want constitutional limits on Congress people, but

1270
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 11: guess who makes the laws they do? So that's what

1271
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 11: why we won't ever see it. You know, I think

1272
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 11: almost universally we all agree that you shouldn't be in

1273
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:07,480
Speaker 11: there for sixty years.

1274
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't.

1275
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 11: Do anything at that well, because they're the one who

1276
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 11: make the walls. The only time Democrats and Republicans work

1277
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 11: together is when it's the benefit themselves or insider trading. Yeah,

1278
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 11: insider trading. Your job is to do it for the

1279
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 11: is to be there for the public not to get wealthy.

1280
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,480
Speaker 2: No, I get that, Thank you very much, Nancy Pelosi.

1281
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 2: All right, moving along here, one local project, boy, I

1282
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 2: know what mine is on this one one local project

1283
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 2: you hear about constantly, but still don't totally understand your pick.

1284
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with the banks.

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Speaker 11: What are we doing? Yeah, there's still there's still you know,

1286
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 11: beams coming out of it. I mean, objectively, the Banks

1287
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 11: has not been what we thought it was going to be.

1288
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 11: You know, we always hear about it. It's the gateway

1289
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 11: to you know, with the city for a lot of

1290
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 11: entry ways, and you know, it's our entertainment section, and

1291
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 11: it just hasn't done what it was supposed to do.

1292
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 11: How many times have we seen bars close, their restaurants close,

1293
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 11: their incidents happen at Stale Park. I just think objectively,

1294
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:18,759
Speaker 11: the Banks has been a failure.

1295
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: Well you know what I mean, It's one of those

1296
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 2: deals where if you get too much crime down there,

1297
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: which I think we probably have now, like you said,

1298
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: people are just going to stop coming. And boy, what

1299
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: a shame that would be because so much money was

1300
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: dumped in there. And really I've been down there a

1301
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: couple times this summer for different things. It's I mean,

1302
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: it really is kind of a show place. But I

1303
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 2: guess we'll see. Okay, my answer to this one. And

1304
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm just volunteering this. I know this is your game.

1305
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 2: One local project you hear about constantly but still don't

1306
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 2: totally understand. Well, actually it would be two. The first one,

1307
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 2: on a micro level would be the Western Hills Viaduct.

1308
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: You know, we've been being a good West Sider. You

1309
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: knew i'd do that. We've been hearing about that damn

1310
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 2: thing supposedly getting fixed for years and years and years.

1311
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: I had Bill Sites on when Bill was still in

1312
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: the High Legislature. Bill was the guy that kind of

1313
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 2: han showed that thing. And this is like two years ago.

1314
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: And Bill said, and I'm not criticizing him at all,

1315
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: but for Bill Sites it wouldn't have gotten done. But

1316
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: I got the impression that it was gonna be like

1317
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 2: right now. Well, we had an announcement not too long

1318
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 2: ago that well, now, okay, you know, because of inflation,

1319
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: instead of three lanes each way, we're knocking it down

1320
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: to two. Oh and by the way, I think it's

1321
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine. Now they're looking at SO and the

1322
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: other one on the on the macro level would have

1323
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: to be in you're a Kentucky guy, I think you can.

1324
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,440
Speaker 2: You can relate to this the Brent Spence Bridge replacing

1325
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: that thing. Oh, you know it's gonna be. I'm gonna

1326
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: be dead and in my grave for a long long

1327
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 2: time when that thing is finally finished. If it is,

1328
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, Kentucky and Ohio finally got together on the

1329
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: damn thing. And I don't know, it just doesn't seem

1330
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 2: like any grounds getting moved or any progress is being made.

1331
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 2: Do you have any perspective on that? Being Northern Kentuckian.

1332
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 11: Well, someone went to house in Heathern, Kentucky. I'm willing

1333
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 11: to put my house up when they start the construction,

1334
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 11: really because it's going to be it's going to be

1335
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 11: a nightmare. I know that they have started to close out.

1336
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 11: If you go into like long Worth Haul, they show

1337
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 11: where they're gonna show do the demolition and things like that.

1338
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 11: You know, if you've been to Lolsbo or Columbus at all,

1339
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 11: you know what it's like to drive through traffic for

1340
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 11: the last ten years. And unfortunately that's going to be

1341
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 11: Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky for the next ten years.

1342
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 2: It's a I tell this story all the time. It's relevant.

1343
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 2: My father was a civil engineer and he was on

1344
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: some board. It wasn't OKAYI but this is like in

1345
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: the mid fifties, I guess. And he tells the story

1346
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: that when they were talking about the Brent Spence Bridge

1347
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 2: and building it, he and all of the professionals, the engineers, said,

1348
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 2: no way, no way, no way. Three lanes is not

1349
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: going to be big enough. You can't do it. It's

1350
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: going to be obsolete the day it opens. And I

1351
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: think he and the other experts were kind of their

1352
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: point of view certainly was the appropriate one. But I

1353
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 2: guess we shall see. But I sure ain't holding my

1354
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 2: breath on that one at all. Okay, moving right along

1355
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: what local political debate feels way bigger online? Ah, this

1356
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 2: is good, way bigger online than in real life. Boy,

1357
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:44,959
Speaker 2: that could be anything.

1358
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 11: It was the fight the Democrats swept. They got asked,

1359
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 11: I've got eighty percent.

1360
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 2: Of the vote.

1361
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,719
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was all the Charter, on the media and everything,

1362
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 11: but the voters didn't care. So we're doing like electoral

1363
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 11: has to be that issue.

1364
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,839
Speaker 2: No question, no question, you know. And I was one

1365
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: I mean, there was some pretty uh I think, pretty

1366
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: good Republican candidates for city council. Of course, a Christopher

1367
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 2: Smitheman comes to mind, Liz Keating and others too, Steve Gooden,

1368
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: Dondree House. But boy, at the end of the day,

1369
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: what a whooping. And I've made this bold prediction. Uh,

1370
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want it to be true, but

1371
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be. We're not going to

1372
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: see a Republican elected mayor or council in the rest

1373
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: of my lifetime. I mean, what a butt whipping that was.

1374
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Kevin, you always shoot straight. Did

1375
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 2: you think it was going to be that bad for

1376
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: the Republicans?

1377
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 11: I thought I thought the Democrats were going to win

1378
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 11: at least seven, if not eight, of the these. I

1379
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 11: thought Liz and Snetherman were really the best chance. But ironically,

1380
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 11: of having a dree House and all these legacy names,

1381
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,480
Speaker 11: they actually split the vote between themselves and the Democratic

1382
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,839
Speaker 11: ticket just I mean, you saw it. They voted ninety

1383
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 11: eight percent together. And that's the machine. And that's a

1384
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 11: compliment to folks like Eddie Davenport, Alex Lindsner, the chair

1385
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 11: who's built just the machine over there, no.

1386
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 2: Question about it. I mean, obviously wasn't what I wanted

1387
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 2: to see, but it was impressive and well, even going

1388
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 2: back to my term as chairman of the Republican Party

1389
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 2: in the mid nineties, Democrats always had their act together.

1390
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: The slate card as strong as the Republicans used to

1391
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: be and still are, I think, county wide. But it

1392
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: is an impressive operation to watch. I have to admit

1393
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: that one thing though, this is kind of off the point.

1394
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 2: You know, when I was chairman of the Republican Party,

1395
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:00,839
Speaker 2: Tim Burke was chairman of the Democrat Party and that right, well,

1396
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: thank you. I agree with that greatest of all time.

1397
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 10: That man.

1398
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 2: Love him tail off, and right when he leaves, that's

1399
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 2: when things, you know, kind of start to turn around.

1400
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 2: I hope people in the Democratic Party are giving him

1401
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: his props because he certainly deserves him. And as an adversary,

1402
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 2: he was absolutely great to work with. You know a

1403
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,640
Speaker 2: lot of times on issues, you know, judicial races and

1404
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 2: things like that, Tim and I go out and get

1405
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee or lunch or something and just

1406
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: discuss it and kind of come to an agreement on things.

1407
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that doesn't happen anymore. But anyway, I

1408
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: just wanted to throw that out last question. Will next

1409
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 2: year be crazier?

1410
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 3: Yes?

1411
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 4: Yes?

1412
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: Or absolutely yes?

1413
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 11: Absolutely yes. It's the midterm years. The whole Tim Waltz

1414
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,719
Speaker 11: scandal is just getting It's like an onion right now.

1415
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 11: It's going to dive deeper and deeper in next year

1416
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 11: will be crazy. It's midterms, so every single issue is

1417
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 11: going to be amplified. City stuff will probably be less

1418
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 11: quiet because there's not an election national and state. You

1419
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 11: got governors races. It's gonna fill a lot of radio slots,

1420
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 11: so advertisers better pay up.

1421
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the station loves that time of year.

1422
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 3: Man.

1423
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 2: You know what, this was really fun. I think it

1424
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 2: was uh yeah, I think it was enlightening and entertaining too.

1425
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna let my listeners know that at ten

1426
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow morning, we're gonna do something similar the end

1427
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 2: of the year political awards, Winner of the Year, Loser

1428
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: of the Year, Worst Week award, and you know what,

1429
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: I'll be ready for that one, Kevin. I'll have some

1430
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: picks on that too, But really appreciate you doing this

1431
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 2: and hope we can make it an annual thing.

1432
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 5: I hope so too.

1433
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 11: I hope the listeners enjoyed it and everyone have a safe,

1434
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 11: happy New Year's.

1435
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: Okay, but you too, all right, Kevin Burton, Boy, that

1436
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 2: was fun, you know, and the guy's tuned in, he

1437
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 2: really is, and I love you know what. It's just

1438
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 2: like a regular interview or something like this, because you

1439
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: do get that other perspective, and I think it's important

1440
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: to do that. Hey, we got to take a break,

1441
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: but we'll be back, Dave, do I have any time

1442
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 2: coming back? Or we'll go right to news. Okay, We're

1443
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: gonna go right to news, and then when we get back,

1444
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: we're talking Ohio State Miami. And we'll do that one

1445
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 2: where you turn Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred WLW.

1446
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 2: It is eleven thirty seven News Radio, seven hundred WLW,

1447
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for Sloany on New Year's Eve. Well,

1448
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,600
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think I know where a

1449
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 2: lot of people on one of them is going to

1450
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 2: be about seven thirty tonight, and that is watching the

1451
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 2: game the Cotton Bowl Ohio State Buckeyes twelve and one,

1452
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: that heartbreaking loss to Indiana versus the Miami Hurricanes. They

1453
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 2: are eleven and two. Buck guys are rated number two

1454
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: in the country and the Hurricanes are number ten. This

1455
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: is going to be a great game here to talk

1456
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 2: about it is a guy that I think knows more

1457
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 2: about Ohio State football, probably just about anybody else in

1458
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: this city. He just happens to be my son. Mike

1459
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 2: Allen Junior, heard here Sunday Nights on the Big One. Mike,

1460
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us.

1461
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 5: Hey, thanks a lot. Dan, happy to be talking to you.

1462
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let me you know I got you know,

1463
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 2: I gotta tell the story. Growing up, Mike and I

1464
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 2: kind of split our allegiance between Ohio State and Notre Dame,

1465
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 2: and we got the ancient sweatshirts to prove it. Mike

1466
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 2: kind of segued pretty strongly some years back to Ohio State.

1467
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 2: Before we begin the questioning here, Mike, tell us all

1468
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,080
Speaker 2: why you did that.

1469
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 8: I think it was when I was able to buy

1470
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 8: my own.

1471
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 5: Clothing that I stopped buying or cheering for. I don't

1472
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 5: remember cheering for a Notre Dame.

1473
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 8: I do remember you buying me the stuff in encouraging

1474
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 8: me to wear, and I'll put it that way.

1475
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: Well, just being a West Side Catholic boy, I guess

1476
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: I figured it. Oh yeah, but you know what, I

1477
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 2: love Ohio State too. My father, your grandfather, graduated through there,

1478
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 2: so we're behind him now. But let me ask you,

1479
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: and I know, I know how strongly you follow these guys.

1480
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 2: What do you think I guess stylistically, what are you

1481
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 2: looking at tonight? How do you think it's going to

1482
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: be high scoring? Low scoring? What do you think?

1483
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,520
Speaker 5: So Ohio State wants structure.

1484
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 8: This is about, you know, chaos versus control, so to speak.

1485
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 8: And Ohio State wants controlled. They want to win the

1486
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage, they want to control the tempo, they

1487
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 8: want to play clean. I hate to say this almost boring.

1488
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,520
Speaker 5: What do you hate? Esque football?

1489
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 2: Yep?

1490
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 8: And make Miami earn out absolutely everything.

1491
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 3: Now.

1492
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,480
Speaker 8: Miami is gonna want disruption. They're gonna be really emotional.

1493
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 8: They're gonna be hoping for big plays, sudden changes, momentum swings.

1494
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 8: It boils down to it because Ohio State just has

1495
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 8: a more talented team. If they keep this calm and

1496
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 8: methodical and like I said, boring, I think this turns

1497
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 8: into the type of game they want now and if

1498
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 8: Miami comes out and they start playing fast and loose

1499
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 8: and emotional with turnovers. That's where you know, an even

1500
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 8: more talented football team can feel really uncomfortable really quickly.

1501
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 8: And that's something Miami is really good at is getting

1502
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 8: people off schedule with their defensive line. I mean, they're

1503
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 8: they're their front guys are unbelievable. But I think whoever

1504
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 8: dictates the style early is going to be is going

1505
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 8: to be who dictates the whole night.

1506
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 2: Really and you know, yeah, ask you this question. You

1507
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 2: think the game is more about the buck guys offense,

1508
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 2: you know, making plays or their defense setting the tone.

1509
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 2: But before he answered that, I mean they're pretty even.

1510
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 2: It looks like in the quarterback department for yeah, buck eyes, Yeah,

1511
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 2: Julian saying, listen to this man, he's got three and

1512
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 2: twenty three yards. Then Carson Beck OSU He's at three

1513
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 2: thousand seventy five. So they're about even. I guess, yeah.

1514
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 8: And the thing that that Julian saying doesn't do that

1515
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 8: Carson Beck tends to do is is Beck will trust.

1516
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 8: I mean, he's got a cannon. He'll make you pay

1517
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 8: if you're late on anything. But he gets a little

1518
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 8: he gambles. So Ohio State, especially with a guy like

1519
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 8: Caleb Downs playing safety.

1520
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 5: He's he's the guy.

1521
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 8: He's the glue that holds them all together back there,

1522
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 8: and he's what allows Ohio State to blitz their corners

1523
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 8: a lot.

1524
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 5: Caleb Downs is going to try.

1525
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 8: To make is going to try to force Carson Beck

1526
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 8: into mistakes. Marvel Reeves as well, the linebacker for Ohio State,

1527
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 8: he's the guy that that gives you control. This is

1528
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 8: going to be about Ohio State's defense setting the tone.

1529
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 8: And those two guys as well, Caleb Downs and linebacker r. L. Reech,

1530
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 8: they those are two folks that they that people want

1531
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 8: to see in Cincinnati next year. Those are two guys

1532
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 8: that are going to go in the first round. And

1533
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 8: I know a lot of Bengals fans, especially Caleb Downs,

1534
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 8: they really like that. And I think the other thing

1535
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 8: too that storyline is Brian Hartline, the Buckey's offensive coordinator,

1536
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 8: is now in Florida. He's gone, and that was I

1537
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 8: think a lot of the issue with with Ohio State

1538
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,640
Speaker 8: not putting a lot of points up against Indiana was

1539
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 8: that now Ryan Day is going to go back to

1540
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 8: calling the plays tonight, and there's been mixed results with that.

1541
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 8: But what I will say is when when he's got

1542
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 8: extra time to prepare. I mean, they haven't played a

1543
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 8: football game in a month.

1544
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 5: It feels like.

1545
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 8: He usually does pretty well. So but if I had

1546
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 8: to say this, I mean, Ohio State's defense is the

1547
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 8: most important unit on the field tonight. I mean, they're

1548
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 8: gonna be the ones that determine if Carson Beck is

1549
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 8: going to chuck it to that freshman receiver all day

1550
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 8: or if this is going to be a slow grind

1551
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 8: for for Miami.

1552
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 2: You know, and that makes for a good game too.

1553
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, I mean, when you look

1554
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: at Miami, you know, Ohio States favored, I think by

1555
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 2: a fair amount. I don't get the whole betting deal

1556
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 2: lot anyway, they are favored. But when you look at Miami,

1557
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think their realistic path to pulling.

1558
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 5: This off is momentum? I mean that's that's the one

1559
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 5: thing they can.

1560
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 8: Do is get on Ohio State early and try to

1561
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 8: force you know, an early turnover to keep maybe take

1562
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 8: Ohio State's crowd out of it, but keep Ohio State

1563
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 8: off schedule.

1564
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 5: You know they're gonna.

1565
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 8: Want explosive big plays, short fields, emotional swings and again

1566
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 8: getting getting on Ohio State quickly. And that's going to

1567
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 8: start with Carson Beck being comfortable. They got a heck

1568
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 8: of a running back to Mark Fletcher. He'll keep them

1569
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,839
Speaker 8: on schedule. And then that, like I said, the freshman

1570
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 8: on the outside malachay TONI and and force one turnover.

1571
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:01,799
Speaker 5: That's the man. As if if.

1572
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 8: Miami can get Julian Saying to make a mistake, maybe

1573
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 8: get lucky on a fumble, maybe maybe pull something off

1574
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 8: on special teams, those momentum swings again, they'll make the

1575
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 8: more talented team uncomfortable. And I think that, you know,

1576
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 8: if they can get on them early and maybe you know,

1577
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 8: if Ohio State gets a long drive at the beginning,

1578
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,000
Speaker 8: force hold them to a field goal. You know, I

1579
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 8: think that would be the way they do it. But

1580
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 8: it's gonna have to be you know, they're gonna have

1581
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 8: to get a turnover here and there.

1582
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 5: They're gonna have to.

1583
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 8: Hit big plays because if Ohio State is allowed to

1584
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 8: just play old school Ohio State football against Miami, I

1585
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 8: don't think Miami's really got a shot. So I will

1586
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 8: say this though Miami defensive line is unbelievable. I mean,

1587
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 8: there they've got a cast of characters that are just disruptive.

1588
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 5: But but yeah, I mean.

1589
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 8: If Ohio State can find a way to keep their

1590
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 8: defensive line and check and run the ball, I think

1591
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 8: I think they'll be in good hands. And if if

1592
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 8: Miami can force a shootout, you know, Ohio State might

1593
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 8: have to worry a little bit.

1594
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. Now if you're an

1595
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 2: Ohio State fan, which you obviously are, and you kind

1596
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 2: of just covered this, but what worries you most about

1597
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: Miami being an Ohio State fan, especially if you like

1598
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 2: boil it down to individual players and matchups and things

1599
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 2: like that.

1600
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:22,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, And like I said, Carson Beck, I mean I

1601
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 8: think this might be his third or fourth team he's

1602
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 8: played with, so he's seen it all in multiple conferences.

1603
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 8: What worries me is if Miami, you know, when plays

1604
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,559
Speaker 8: break down, he's so good that if he gets that

1605
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 8: extra second or has to roll out a little bit,

1606
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 8: he's gonna punish you if you're just a little late.

1607
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 8: And again, that running back Fletcher, you know he can

1608
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 8: keep them and you know, second and manageable third and

1609
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 8: rational downs all night, not you know, keep my Another

1610
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 8: thing for Miami too is keeping it in second and

1611
01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 8: third and normal not not you know, losses on first

1612
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 8: down and just trying to find a way to stay

1613
01:32:58,520 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 8: on track.

1614
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, Carson Beck worries me.

1615
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,759
Speaker 8: And again Ruben Bain Junior is the guy for Miami

1616
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,759
Speaker 8: that just terrifies you. He is disruptive up up front.

1617
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,360
Speaker 8: He's going to force Ohio States offensive line to move quickly,

1618
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 8: you know. And and if he starts getting after Julian saying.

1619
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 5: And their D line starts getting after.

1620
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 8: Ohio States offensive line, this game is gonna feel a

1621
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 8: lot tighter.

1622
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1623
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 8: Miami is is dangerous when it turns to you know,

1624
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:32,520
Speaker 8: they they have a way of making really solid, fundamentally

1625
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 8: sound football teams uncomfortable and you know, get out of wax,

1626
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 8: so to speak.

1627
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 2: So I'll be.

1628
01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 5: Honest with you.

1629
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 8: I think the two you know, higher state pion two

1630
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 8: in Miami being ten, that's that's a little bit deceiving here.

1631
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,919
Speaker 5: I mean that they're they're a good matchup against the Buckeyes.

1632
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 5: So it's gonna be a heck of a game.

1633
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 2: It sure looks like it. And as you point out,

1634
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:56,680
Speaker 2: the quarterback situation is almost even one more question, well

1635
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 2: almost one more, and you've kind of addressed this already.

1636
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 2: When it's all said and done, what do you think,

1637
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 2: bottom line, what do you think is going to decide

1638
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 2: this game?

1639
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 5: Turnovers and tempo.

1640
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 8: Man if if Ohio State can play clean football, you know,

1641
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 8: control the run game, and that's that's someone else that

1642
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 8: that we got to mention Bo Jackson, I mean Ohio State.

1643
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,799
Speaker 8: It feels like every single year just has a horse,

1644
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 8: I mean a guy that you can give the ball

1645
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 8: to over and over again, especially late in games, that'll

1646
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,799
Speaker 8: just churn the clock out and for all to talk about,

1647
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 8: you know, Ohio State, you know in the air raid offense,

1648
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 8: so to speak, chucking the ball and how it's nothing

1649
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 8: like Jim Dressel and what he hayes if if people

1650
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,640
Speaker 8: remember that first couple of drives when things kind of

1651
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:48,639
Speaker 8: got off the rails against Michigan, Ohio State just started saying,

1652
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 8: you know what, We're gonna line up and we're just

1653
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 8: gonna run it down your throat. We're bigger, we're stronger,

1654
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 8: we're meaner. And I think if Ohio State can do that,

1655
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 8: especially early, settle the nerves a little bit and just

1656
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 8: say hey we are the number two team and aar

1657
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 8: the number ten team We're just bigger, meaner, stronger, and

1658
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,640
Speaker 8: faster than them.

1659
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 5: I think they'll be okay.

1660
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 8: But man, if Miami gets an early turnover, you know,

1661
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 8: they get a big play early to get get them

1662
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 8: emotionally hyped up and take take Ohio State's crowd and

1663
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 8: possibly the players out of it. Anything can happen, man,

1664
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 8: I mean, that's the beauty of college is I mean

1665
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 8: any I hate to say it, rub it in my

1666
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 8: buddy's face, my Michigan fan buddies, but even an appolass

1667
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 8: and State can go into.

1668
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 5: The big House and be Michigan.

1669
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 8: I mean literally, anything can happen. So that's the beauty

1670
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 8: of it. I'll be honest these games, I don't really

1671
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 8: enjoy watching them. I'm just it on pre dere life.

1672
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 8: But hopefully it gets boring for the Buckeye fans at

1673
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 8: the end.

1674
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 2: We shall see a two part or an easy one

1675
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 2: if you care to venture. A final score number one

1676
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 2: and number two. And I think I know the answer

1677
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 2: to this. Where are you going to be watching the game?

1678
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 5: Man, I'll be sitting in my living room with my infiant.

1679
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,760
Speaker 2: That's what I thought. That's what I thought.

1680
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, tanged knipers, Well, what I will say, man, is

1681
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 8: I think, I honestly think it's going to be kind

1682
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 8: of boring.

1683
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 5: I think twenty one seventeen Ohio State.

1684
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 2: There you go.

1685
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,639
Speaker 8: I think I think Ohio State runs the ball.

1686
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 5: I think I think Miami hangs on.

1687
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 8: But I don't think it'll be as close as that

1688
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 8: two thousand and one game.

1689
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 5: Man, that was something else.

1690
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 2: That really was I remember that. Hey, thanks so much

1691
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 2: for doing this, and uh, I'll like that. Reconnoiter with

1692
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 2: you tomorrow and we'll talk about it.

1693
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, take it easy, man, Okay.

1694
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, bye bye bye bye. All Right,

1695
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:32,719
Speaker 2: Mike Allen, ju're giving us his take on the Ohio

1696
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 2: State Miami game tonight. And I told you, man, he

1697
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 2: knows Ohio State football cold. So we shall see what happens. Hey,

1698
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a real short break and then

1699
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: we'll come back and I'll give you kind of a

1700
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 2: preview of what we're going to do tomorrow on the show.

1701
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back,

1702
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for Slow seven hundred WLW. Well that

1703
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 2: was really cool. That's the first time I've ever interviewed

1704
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 2: my son on the air, and I'll tell you what,

1705
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: for a dad, that's a big deal. And he did

1706
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 2: mention that he's going to be watching the game from

1707
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: home tonight because brand new father just a couple of

1708
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 2: weeks ago. I'm a brand new grandfather, little girl, And

1709
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, there ain't nothing like it, you know.

1710
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 2: I kind of have a theory with respect to Christmas.

1711
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 2: Christmas is fun when you are a kid, it's fun

1712
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 2: when you have kids, and then I think it's going

1713
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: to be fun again with grandkids. So looking forward to that. Yeah,

1714
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean, if your kids are grown up and they're

1715
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 2: out of the house and it's Christmas, it's kind of like, man,

1716
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 2: when is this going to be over? You know? But

1717
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be different now and I'm

1718
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 2: obviously enjoying it now and looking forward to it. Got

1719
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 2: a great show for you tomorrow. We are going to

1720
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 2: be doing, as one of the callers stated today, we

1721
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 2: are going to be doing a lot of fluff stuff,

1722
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 2: which is appropriate for the end of the year. You

1723
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 2: know who did this in twenty twenty five? Who did that?

1724
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 2: So looking forward to that. Also, we got some good

1725
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: guests lined up too. Attorney James Bogan, James. He keeps

1726
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 2: up on stuff with respect to you know, boys and girls'

1727
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 2: sports and other things like that. We'll talk to James

1728
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 2: about those issues, what happened with that kind of stuff

1729
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 2: in the previous year. And also Kevin Burton. Kevin's coming

1730
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 2: back again. We are going to do another political game

1731
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 2: Top Political Stories of the Year, So I'm looking forward

1732
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 2: to that and back and clean up at eleven thirty tomorrow.

1733
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 2: Man by the name of Judd Dunning, I've had him

1734
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 2: on before, really really a great guest, and he's going

1735
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 2: to be speaking on what I feel is a very

1736
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 2: very important topic and probably appropriate to close out the

1737
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 2: year with it standing with Israel moral clarity in an

1738
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 2: age of manufactured confusion. And boy, i'll tell you what.

1739
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 2: He hits that right on the head. A big story,

1740
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 2: uh this year obviously with Israel and the raids and

1741
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 2: how they kind of put the arm on Hamas. Finally, yeah,

1742
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 2: i'll tell you. I'm reading a book now, the first

1743
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 2: book out by and I forget his name. I just

1744
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 2: started the book. One of the hostages that was taken

1745
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 2: hostage over there. Thankfully he was released in good health

1746
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 2: now and it's just it's unbelievable. What happened to those people,

1747
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:46,639
Speaker 2: what Hamas did to those people. And for these people

1748
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 2: that want to talk about you know, uh, let's march

1749
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 2: on campus with the Palestinian flag. They it is. It's

1750
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,639
Speaker 2: not a big book, it's kind of thin. They ought

1751
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 2: to take some time and read that, because I think

1752
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 2: would bring some reality to the debate there. But we

1753
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: shall see. But I'm looking forward to talking to him

1754
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 2: about that. So we'll have plenty to do. Getting the

1755
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 2: Year in review will do that, you know what. I

1756
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 2: think I will continue on with CNN because they think

1757
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 2: they did it pretty fairly. And just looking at it now,

1758
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 2: a couple things here January twenty third, and so much

1759
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 2: of this is about the Democrats. Law fair on President Trump.

1760
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 2: They're the ones that started it, they're the ones that

1761
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 2: perfected it, and they're getting it back, you know. And

1762
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 2: I said at the time, it's a shame it has

1763
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:43,479
Speaker 2: to happen. It really does. It's inappropriate, but you know what,

1764
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:47,879
Speaker 2: the political world is dog eat dog, and if somebody,

1765
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 2: if your opponent, does it, you're gonna do it. So

1766
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Democrats should stop crying about it and thank themselves for

1767
01:40:56,120 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 2: the phenomena of this kind of thing the warfare we

1768
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:04,719
Speaker 2: have now with the legal system and judges and everything else.

1769
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 2: But all right. January twenty third, a federal judge says

1770
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 2: that President Trump's executive order ending birthright constitutions birthright citizenship

1771
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 2: is blatantly unconstitutional, and that judge issued a tro temporary

1772
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 2: restraining order to block it. On July tenth, US District

1773
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 2: Judge Joseph Leplant certainly probably a either Obama or Biden appointee,

1774
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 2: probably shouldn't say that, I don't know for sure, he

1775
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 2: agrees to issue a new nationwide block against the executive order.

1776
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 2: Everything Trump tries to do with respect to immigration, especially

1777
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 2: everything else has to end up in federal court. You know,

1778
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:50,520
Speaker 2: it never used to be like that. It really didn't.

1779
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 2: But oh boy, here's a sorry story. I remember this too.

1780
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 2: January twenty ninth, sixty seven people are dead after an

1781
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 2: American the Airline's regional jet on approach to Reagan National Airport,

1782
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 2: New DC, collides with a US Army black Hawk helicopter

1783
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 2: in mid air, sending both aircraft into the Potomac River below.

1784
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 2: Sixty four people on board on the plane and three

1785
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 2: soldiers on the Army helicopter now, I don't know if

1786
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 2: the NTSB, National Transportation Safety Board, or any other organization

1787
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 2: has come to a conclusion as to fault there, But

1788
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 2: I think one thing that the experts can agree on

1789
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 2: is that's a busy, busy airport, and you got military

1790
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,680
Speaker 2: craft like helicopters flying and out of it too. So

1791
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's a situation where hopefully they get that thing,

1792
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 2: they get that thing fixed. One last thing here, February third,

1793
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:54,639
Speaker 2: Elon Musk reveals President Trump as signed off on shutting downs.

1794
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 2: One of the best things he did shut and one

1795
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 2: of the first things shutting down the USA Agency for

1796
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 2: International Development. That's it. I'll see you tomorrow. Mike Allen

1797
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Speaker 2: in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW