WEBVTT - Sterling 10/2/26 0:00:00.250 --> 0:00:03.290 Weekend is here. It's October. We heard Lance do Off 0:00:03.330 --> 0:00:09.620 the Beaten Path topic. I mean, seriously, Joe Nuxall stuff 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.300 was just brilliant. A lot of stuff to do this 0:00:12.340 --> 0:00:15.360 Friday night. Sterling stepping in. Russ Jackson keep me online 0:00:15.460 --> 0:00:18.080 in time or in time and in line. I don't know. 0:00:18.500 --> 0:00:22.439 Matt Reese has got news. Later on, Kevin Carr talking 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.110 movie stuff. We'll also talk space stuff. They're back up 0:00:26.170 --> 0:00:28.800 on the International Space Station. Mo Egg are going to 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.540 join us in about 30 minutes, talk Bengals and Bearcats 0:00:32.580 --> 0:00:35.979 and who knows what else. And I, you know, the 0:00:36.020 --> 0:00:38.920 last couple of days, I, like a lot of people, 0:00:40.060 --> 0:00:43.590 have been trying to make sense of something that doesn't 0:00:43.630 --> 0:00:47.309 make a lot of sense in the news. Whether it's 0:00:47.430 --> 0:00:52.729 Cincinnati or Dayton or Louisville or Lexington or Indianapolis, 38 0:00:52.729 --> 0:00:56.770 states wide, major cities across this nation, the iHeartRadio app 0:00:56.810 --> 0:01:04.910 effectively globally. We kill a lot of people in this country. 0:01:04.990 --> 0:01:08.730 The murder rate, however violent crime numbers statistically have been 0:01:08.810 --> 0:01:13.470 trending downward historically, we are pretty good as a people 0:01:13.930 --> 0:01:19.260 at killing people. murdering them, locking people up per capita. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:24.940 The numbers industrialized nations compared to America. We like to 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.160 lock people up who are bad, who do bad things 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.860 to prove they can't play in the big sandbox of life. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.459 We like to be tough on crime and punishment. And 0:01:35.500 --> 0:01:38.920 we have a death penalty across this country. But apparently 0:01:38.980 --> 0:01:42.860 we have a very big problem with part of the 0:01:42.900 --> 0:01:45.020 death penalty. It's getting the death right. 0:01:45.790 --> 0:01:46.750 The execution. 0:01:48.780 --> 0:01:51.000 I just listen, I want to know, when did we 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.300 lose our ability to do this? If we have a 0:01:54.340 --> 0:01:57.810 death penalty. Then how is it that we have no 0:01:57.860 --> 0:02:01.330 ability to execute people in a humane way as much 0:02:01.370 --> 0:02:05.360 as we can for a long time? When I was 0:02:05.420 --> 0:02:07.700 a kid growing up, it made no sense. They used 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.960 to call it Old Sparky. And if I'm not mistaken, 0:02:10.220 --> 0:02:15.109 it was at Lucasville, Southern Ohio Correctional Facility, right? Which 0:02:15.169 --> 0:02:17.910 is where, if I'm not mistaken, also, what, 20 years ago? 0:02:17.970 --> 0:02:20.470 Probably more than that now. There was a big riot 0:02:20.470 --> 0:02:23.510 30 years ago already, Russ Jackson tells me. All right. 0:02:24.380 --> 0:02:27.760 He covered it in... Well, we're all just older now. 0:02:29.340 --> 0:02:32.359 They used to... Put people in a chair and they 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.800 would hook them up to some electrodes and then they 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.940 would have a number of people hit a button and 0:02:39.220 --> 0:02:42.990 they would not know for sure who actually sent the 0:02:43.050 --> 0:02:46.230 charge to the chair, which tried the person to death 0:02:46.410 --> 0:02:49.070 in the chair that had been convicted and sentenced to 0:02:49.110 --> 0:02:51.710 death in the state of Ohio. We're not doing that 0:02:51.770 --> 0:02:53.710 in Ohio anymore. We got an injection thing, but you 0:02:53.730 --> 0:02:57.190 can't get the injectable drugs so easily. So there's basically, 0:02:57.230 --> 0:02:59.550 if I'm not mistaken, like a moratorium in many places 0:02:59.610 --> 0:03:02.360 around the country. Tennessee, I used to live there in 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.080 a place called Merville near Alcoa outside Knoxville. And it 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.960 is Knoxville, not Nashville, Knoxville, just so you know. And 0:03:11.380 --> 0:03:16.420 in the volunteer state, they had the death penalty. In 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.140 the volunteer state, they can't get the death right. Krista Pike, 0:03:20.260 --> 0:03:24.200 the only woman who was on Tennessee's death row, is, 0:03:24.500 --> 0:03:32.330 as we speak right now, this fine Friday night, critically ill, unconscious, ventilated, 0:03:32.810 --> 0:03:38.450 on a breathing machine. Two days plus after they, as 0:03:38.490 --> 0:03:42.900 it's been called, botched, fumbled, failed, they could not get 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:49.050 the killing right anymore. And I don't understand it. When 0:03:49.090 --> 0:03:53.260 I was a kid, I remember the Lucasville thing. And 0:03:53.460 --> 0:03:56.120 they would talk about the process. Because in school, we 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.640 talked about it. In like a civics class. Which seems 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.960 sort of morbid. And I debated on bringing it up tonight. 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.380 But the more and more I think about it, I 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.660 am just bewildered by it. If we have a death penalty, 0:04:06.710 --> 0:04:08.230 how the hell can you not kill the people that 0:04:08.290 --> 0:04:13.120 are on death row? When you do the job. We 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.680 call it cruel and unusual punishment. You swab off the 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.560 arm before you put the injectables in because you can 0:04:18.620 --> 0:04:21.250 infect the arm of the person that you're about to execute. 0:04:21.310 --> 0:04:22.890 That would be insane. 0:04:22.910 --> 0:04:27.469 I just want to ask you this because I, you know, 0:04:29.089 --> 0:04:34.789 I'm trying to process it. We blow people out of 0:04:34.810 --> 0:04:37.980 the water on boats. I don't know how many, probably 0:04:38.010 --> 0:04:43.419 close to 100 people now suspected of. transporting drugs or 0:04:43.500 --> 0:04:47.480 other contraband off our shores and other parts of the world. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:49.890 And we're pretty good at blowing them out of the water. 0:04:50.150 --> 0:04:54.650 But we can't have people convicted of murder and crimes 0:04:54.670 --> 0:04:58.650 that put them in a capital punishment situation and execute them. 0:04:59.540 --> 0:05:01.400 And I mean, I don't I don't mean we can't 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.980 as in we're not allowed. I mean, it's apparently they 0:05:04.020 --> 0:05:06.909 can't do it. So this is the question of questions. 0:05:07.310 --> 0:05:10.110 And I know this is not the most uplifting of 0:05:10.210 --> 0:05:15.940 conversations and fun talk on a Friday night. But should 0:05:15.980 --> 0:05:19.539 we not figure a way to kill people on death 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:23.000 row if we're going to have a death penalty? Otherwise, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.960 the waste of time, the money, the litigation, the process 0:05:27.020 --> 0:05:31.260 to run the appeals over and over again, exhausting those. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.200 And that's not cheap. And there's the Innocence Project here, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.940 University of Cincinnati. A lot of people historically have been 0:05:39.980 --> 0:05:44.669 involved in freeing people or taking them from death situations 0:05:44.710 --> 0:05:48.250 to maybe life in prison or getting them turned loose 0:05:48.350 --> 0:05:52.250 after wrongful convictions. Many people were of the opinion historically 0:05:52.270 --> 0:05:54.270 that have said, well, you know, if we execute just 0:05:54.490 --> 0:05:59.690 one person who was incorrectly, improperly, wrongfully executed, convicted and 0:05:59.730 --> 0:06:02.300 sentenced to death and the whole system is screwed. Here, 0:06:02.650 --> 0:06:05.039 aside from that, we can't even get the people that 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.479 we know have been responsible for taking others' lives, sentenced 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.559 to death according to the law, and then end their lives. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.160 So if we're in the business of executions, be it 0:06:19.220 --> 0:06:23.200 Ohio or Tennessee or pick a random state, Texas, Florida, 0:06:23.250 --> 0:06:26.790 across this great nation, we've done pretty good at executing people, 0:06:26.810 --> 0:06:31.850 these four states I just mentioned. How best– should the 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:36.609 person who's being executed get to choose? Should it be 0:06:36.630 --> 0:06:40.190 a firing squad? Should we let them kill themselves? Should 0:06:40.210 --> 0:06:42.730 there not be a death penalty at all since apparently 0:06:42.770 --> 0:06:44.830 you can't get the juice to kill them and you 0:06:44.870 --> 0:06:49.210 can't have medical professionals who take an oath that says 0:06:49.250 --> 0:06:52.750 they are here to preserve and save life, not take life? 0:06:53.100 --> 0:06:56.220 So they will be there, as I understand it, and 0:06:56.260 --> 0:07:01.950 they will– examine the body or the individual who they 0:07:01.970 --> 0:07:05.250 were trying to execute, and then they can say, okay, yes, 0:07:05.370 --> 0:07:08.650 this person is dead or this person is not. They 0:07:08.690 --> 0:07:13.060 tried to give her the juice not just once, but twice. 0:07:15.410 --> 0:07:19.120 And they say it's never happened that way. Now, there 0:07:19.180 --> 0:07:21.440 have been laws on the books. If they tried to 0:07:21.500 --> 0:07:23.520 hang you and it failed, or if they tried to 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.800 execute you in other ways previously, what they would do is, oh, 0:07:26.820 --> 0:07:30.360 we did our best. Now, you know, your neck's stretched out. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.670 It's a little crooked. You may have some brain damage, 0:07:34.230 --> 0:07:36.030 but we tried to kill you. We couldn't. So now 0:07:36.090 --> 0:07:40.110 you're free. Good luck to you. Enjoy life. I don't 0:07:40.150 --> 0:07:42.470 see turning this woman out on the streets. Should they 0:07:42.510 --> 0:07:46.720 try to execute her again? Or is that over the 0:07:46.740 --> 0:07:53.540 top and inhumane and inexcusable? I just can't make sense 0:07:53.580 --> 0:07:57.970 of it. I mean, in America, aren't we supposed to 0:07:58.010 --> 0:08:01.150 take pride in our work? Whether you're making widgets or 0:08:01.190 --> 0:08:05.750 hamburgers or tacos or talk shows or, I don't know, 0:08:05.790 --> 0:08:09.920 plate glass or, I don't know, in the business of 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:15.120 executions by God, just do the work. Just do the work. 513-749-7800, 0:08:16.740 --> 0:08:19.520 the big one. You can talk back. The iHeartRadio app. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.240 I don't mean to sound so cavalier about this. I 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.060 don't mean to sound– I don't mean to lessen it. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.570 This is a woman, a human being, sentenced to death, 0:08:31.210 --> 0:08:33.470 being treated right now for the serious effects of what 0:08:33.510 --> 0:08:40.870 they call pentobarbital administered during this execution that didn't work. Hell, 0:08:40.890 --> 0:08:43.070 they could have put a bubble in the hypodermic and 0:08:43.090 --> 0:08:45.740 killed her that way. They could have smothered her with 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.460 a pillow if they'd wanted. They could have just taken 0:08:48.500 --> 0:08:50.640 her right back and shot her. They could have hung her. 0:08:50.780 --> 0:08:53.180 They could have gassed her. They could have electrocuted her. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.160 But instead, they tried to juice her, and it didn't work. 0:08:56.870 --> 0:09:01.810 I mean, seriously. People regularly come out of rehab and 0:09:01.950 --> 0:09:05.170 reuse drugs that are much stronger than their body is 0:09:05.230 --> 0:09:07.490 able to handle and end up dead, and their family 0:09:07.850 --> 0:09:11.330 is devastated, and these people are lost on a regular basis, 0:09:11.410 --> 0:09:13.810 thankfully not in the numbers they were not that long 0:09:13.850 --> 0:09:17.870 ago in the tri-state and across this country. But we 0:09:17.910 --> 0:09:24.630 can't kill them, effectively put them to death in a reasonable, efficient, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:31.709 effective manner. across this country anymore. I do not understand it. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:39.720 Can you help me make sense of it? I mean, 0:09:41.420 --> 0:09:48.020 it's really amazing to me how this has played out. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.400 And I had a conversation with two different people over 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.430 the last couple of days that told me that they 0:09:57.650 --> 0:10:02.020 believe that the debt penalty in its is wrong. One 0:10:02.059 --> 0:10:04.200 of them, the other said they thought it was right, 0:10:04.260 --> 0:10:06.940 but now they think it's wrong because of this lethal 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.940 injection thing going wrong. And by the way, this isn't 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.840 the first time it's happened where they've had to juice 0:10:12.900 --> 0:10:16.740 somebody twice. It's just the first time they've survived it. 0:10:18.210 --> 0:10:24.370 I don't know. What's the point of it? And if 0:10:24.410 --> 0:10:28.130 you can't get people and apparently they're jail or prison staff, 0:10:28.370 --> 0:10:31.670 they're not doctors and nurses. And it's not even like it. 0:10:33.190 --> 0:10:35.210 What happened to the executioner? You put a hat on. 0:10:35.220 --> 0:10:37.380 I mean, that's a tough burden, right? I mean, that's 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.780 a very difficult thing for someone to have to carry 0:10:40.940 --> 0:10:45.640 on their shoulders, on their back. Isn't it to be 0:10:45.700 --> 0:10:50.359 the executioner? If we're going to do it, then do it. 0:10:50.780 --> 0:10:52.200 If you're not going to do it or you can't 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.010 effectively put someone to death, which seems absurd to me, 0:10:56.030 --> 0:10:59.010 because people have been killing each other since the beginning 0:10:59.030 --> 0:11:02.000 of time as we know it, as people have been around. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.360 I just can't process it. It's hard to make sense 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:12.589 of it. 513-749-7800, the big one, your chance to get interactive. 0:11:13.550 --> 0:11:15.929 Should there not be a death penalty? Should they go 0:11:15.970 --> 0:11:20.010 to a training class? I mean, look, if you're in 0:11:20.030 --> 0:11:22.800 the business and you got a job and you're working 0:11:22.980 --> 0:11:26.280 in the change oil bay at a car dealership or 0:11:26.820 --> 0:11:29.700 an oil quick change place, or you're making tacos or 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.210 something else, and you're not able to get the work done, 0:11:33.530 --> 0:11:37.290 then they will have a retraining situation. A trainer from 0:11:37.370 --> 0:11:40.660 corporate will come in and often show people how to 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:44.280 do the work that's supposed to be done. Apparently, they're 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.420 not doing that when it comes to the issue of executions. 0:11:51.100 --> 0:11:52.720 If you can't do it right, don't do it at all. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.720 And I understand the concept of, well, you know, She 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:02.870 deserves to die. Maybe she deserves to suffer. She was 0:12:02.900 --> 0:12:06.410 convicted of heinous, horrible crime, and that's the way it goes. 0:12:09.130 --> 0:12:14.530 But you can't even handle the basics of the operation 0:12:14.550 --> 0:12:17.250 of the execution, and now what do you do with her? 0:12:17.350 --> 0:12:19.370 You just leave her there, and what does it cost 0:12:19.410 --> 0:12:22.400 to keep her alive? I mean, it's really, really difficult 0:12:22.940 --> 0:12:28.520 to make sense of this, and it's embarrassing. And it 0:12:28.580 --> 0:12:31.080 really is. Let's get to Dalhai and Benny and Larry 0:12:31.100 --> 0:12:35.559 and room for you on a Friday. Sterling 513-749-7800, the 0:12:35.580 --> 0:12:37.540 big one. Benny, what do you think about this thing 0:12:37.580 --> 0:12:38.280 in Tennessee? 0:12:40.179 --> 0:12:41.360 This is unbelievable. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.170 Why can't, you know, people are doing drugs. 0:12:46.130 --> 0:12:49.470 Just give her a shot of heroin, overdose her, and 0:12:49.530 --> 0:12:50.050 let her go. 0:12:50.170 --> 0:12:50.970 Put her in the ground. 0:12:52.170 --> 0:12:53.290 That's how I feel about it. 0:12:54.110 --> 0:12:57.060 Do you think that... Since it's in a situation, and 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.480 I appreciate the call, Benny, thank you. I mean, in 0:12:59.500 --> 0:13:01.570 a situation like this, it's easy to just let her overdose. 0:13:02.140 --> 0:13:02.569 All right, yeah. 0:13:02.750 --> 0:13:04.650 And so I'm saying there's lots of ways people every 0:13:04.690 --> 0:13:08.770 day die for all sorts of accidents. Miss, I had 0:13:08.809 --> 0:13:10.569 a friend, a good friend of mine, just about a 0:13:10.590 --> 0:13:12.429 year ago now, and just to think about it, it 0:13:12.470 --> 0:13:15.790 makes no sense, fell out in her kitchen, and that 0:13:15.830 --> 0:13:19.180 was the end of her. No real understanding, not making 0:13:19.220 --> 0:13:22.080 sense of it. Here's a situation where they were looking 0:13:22.100 --> 0:13:24.339 to kill her, this woman, and could not handle it. 0:13:28.190 --> 0:13:34.750 Is it appropriate to ask a doctor, a nurse, some 0:13:34.809 --> 0:13:39.510 other type of medical professional who have taken a note 0:13:39.550 --> 0:13:42.550 to save and preserve life to go into that execution 0:13:42.590 --> 0:13:44.270 room and do the work? Because, you know, they can 0:13:44.309 --> 0:13:46.230 at least put a needle in. Apparently, maybe they didn't 0:13:46.270 --> 0:13:48.510 do the IV right is what reports are saying now. 0:13:48.550 --> 0:13:51.580 They're not sure. They have to evaluate it. They got 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.689 to see how the process goes. If I was this 0:13:55.770 --> 0:13:58.770 woman's family, and if I was the victim's family members, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:13:59.920 I might be like, oh, I don't care. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:01.120 Maybe. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.180 It's tough. It's a tough putt on that one. But 0:14:04.220 --> 0:14:06.470 on the other side of it, I mean, if I'm 0:14:06.490 --> 0:14:11.660 the person who is looking to be executed, right? If 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.940 I'm Krista Pike's family, I'm disturbed because of the cruel 0:14:14.980 --> 0:14:17.080 and unusual punishment. And you kind of go, well, I mean, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:19.100 if she did bad things, she's convicted of bad things. 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.920 A little bit of suffering is right. But is the 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.940 government in a situation where we want them? We don't 0:14:23.980 --> 0:14:27.360 trust them to keep track of information of you or 0:14:27.420 --> 0:14:32.120 me or our Willie. Or Eddie Fingers or Russ Jackson 0:14:32.460 --> 0:14:35.990 or pick a person, your mom or mine, on the 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.950 road driving down Montgomery Avenue into downtown Cincinnati or downtown 0:14:40.010 --> 0:14:44.410 Dayton or downtown Covington with flock cameras tracking people around 0:14:44.430 --> 0:14:47.050 to keep bad actors from doing bad things and help 0:14:47.090 --> 0:14:48.410 police get the job done. 0:14:49.330 --> 0:14:49.550 Right? 0:14:49.970 --> 0:14:52.170 We don't want to do that. That's an invasion of privacy. 0:14:52.210 --> 0:14:54.510 But we're okay with killing people when apparently we can't 0:14:54.570 --> 0:14:55.730 even handle the death part. 0:14:57.310 --> 0:14:57.609 Sorry. 0:14:58.790 --> 0:15:01.410 Gonna freak out here. To Virginia Beach with Rick and 0:15:01.460 --> 0:15:04.240 then Chris and Larry with Sterling 700 WLW. 0:15:04.300 --> 0:15:04.479 Hey. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.660 Hey, Sterling. How you doing? 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:09.680 I'm all right, man. I'm just trying to make sense 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.320 of what doesn't make a lot of sense. 0:15:12.900 --> 0:15:17.210 Well, I mean, you know, there's tried and true. I mean, 0:15:17.250 --> 0:15:20.850 just watch the Green Mile, you know, unless somebody messes 0:15:20.930 --> 0:15:21.230 it up. 0:15:21.850 --> 0:15:23.150 It works very good. 0:15:24.170 --> 0:15:26.570 And then you have the. 0:15:28.670 --> 0:15:32.410 The firing squad, which has worked 100% every time. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.280 Listen, people get gunned down daily on the streets of 0:15:36.300 --> 0:15:39.940 the tri-state, all over this country. Even though those violent 0:15:39.980 --> 0:15:43.380 crime numbers have been down historically, we're still pretty good 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:44.660 at gunning people down in this country. 0:15:45.730 --> 0:15:52.490 Well, every morning here in Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Chesapeake, Hampton Roads, 0:15:53.450 --> 0:15:55.740 it's a body count every morning on the news. 0:15:56.830 --> 0:16:00.610 Just like over the Rhine, just like Chicago. 0:16:00.630 --> 0:16:05.240 But anyways, but what I was going to say was, okay, 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.880 so what you, what they should be using is fentanyl, uh, 0:16:12.210 --> 0:16:16.390 to do these executions? Or what's that new drug that's 0:16:16.510 --> 0:16:18.930 out there now that I just heard about this week? 0:16:19.010 --> 0:16:20.170 I can't remember the name of it. 0:16:20.210 --> 0:16:22.090 Not the car fentanyl is not new. You're talking about 0:16:22.110 --> 0:16:24.110 the Crotam or whatever it's called that like is sort 0:16:24.170 --> 0:16:26.630 of like the heroin for like the gas station business 0:16:26.890 --> 0:16:28.310 kind of like thing that they're about. 0:16:28.670 --> 0:16:29.450 Yeah, that stuff. 0:16:29.490 --> 0:16:33.250 Well, it's supposed to be like 10 times worse than fentanyl. 0:16:33.350 --> 0:16:35.370 Yeah, not good. Not good. 0:16:35.390 --> 0:16:35.730 Yeah. 0:16:35.830 --> 0:16:37.850 So, I mean, why don't they use it? 0:16:37.860 --> 0:16:40.260 I mean, I'm sure they've got enough in all these 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:45.580 evidence rooms. To use it, which, you know, we wouldn't 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.520 have to pay for because we already got it in stock. 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:49.960 Yeah, and it doesn't take much. 0:16:49.980 --> 0:16:50.359 You know what? 0:16:50.500 --> 0:16:52.260 You may be right, Rick. I appreciate the call, man. 0:16:52.300 --> 0:16:52.640 Thank you. 0:16:53.300 --> 0:16:56.800 So, I mean, you know, we got contraband. We've got 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.480 in evidence lockers all over the place. I mean, yeah, 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.620 we've got an ability. I just don't understand how it 0:17:02.700 --> 0:17:05.270 is they couldn't get it done. I mean, seriously. 0:17:05.290 --> 0:17:07.220 I don't know what they're doing. 0:17:07.290 --> 0:17:09.330 Hey, Bubba, how are you? Bubba, you're with Sterling on 0:17:09.350 --> 0:17:09.710 the big one. 0:17:10.450 --> 0:17:12.010 Yeah, they don't know what to do in the state 0:17:12.030 --> 0:17:14.669 of Tennessee. They're not properly trained. They didn't have the 0:17:14.710 --> 0:17:19.860 proper doctors or physicians there, and even a mortician or 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:25.219 a forensic pathologist, whatever the needed medical personnel, they were 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.820 absent from the execution. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.220 It's hard to even process. Bob, I appreciate the comment. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.869 Thank you. Yeah, I mean, just a disaster all the 0:17:35.900 --> 0:17:38.369 way around. To Westchester and Chris with Sterling on the 0:17:38.410 --> 0:17:39.639 big one. It's been a minute. Chris, how are you? 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:41.480 Good, buddy. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:42.280 How about yourself? 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.160 I'm okay. I mean, we can't even execute people good 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.700 in America anymore. I mean, what the hell is wrong 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:48.480 with this country? 0:17:48.940 --> 0:17:51.500 This is the crazy thing about it, buddy. Okay, this 0:17:51.580 --> 0:17:52.360 is the crazy thing. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:53.840 A 911 operator. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.609 Wait, wait, wait. Chris, wait. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.429 Chris, your phone was cutting out. 0:17:57.470 --> 0:17:57.790 Start over. 0:17:57.810 --> 0:17:57.950 Okay. 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.060 You're the 911 operator. You get a phone call from 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.200 the prison. We need an ambulance. We have somebody dying. 0:18:11.420 --> 0:18:12.280 Okay, what happened? 0:18:12.700 --> 0:18:15.460 Well, we tried to kill him twice, and it didn't work. 0:18:16.420 --> 0:18:19.129 How do you... What do you think of that? Wait 0:18:19.170 --> 0:18:19.649 a minute, wait a minute. 0:18:20.050 --> 0:18:23.310 So you need an ambulance because somebody's dying that you 0:18:23.369 --> 0:18:27.290 tried to kill twice, and it didn't work? So you 0:18:27.590 --> 0:18:28.470 need an ambulance? 0:18:29.010 --> 0:18:29.129 What. 0:18:30.910 --> 0:18:32.230 That must have. 0:18:31.890 --> 0:18:34.770 Been the most confusing call they have ever got. And 0:18:34.790 --> 0:18:37.490 the reason why they can't kill her after is apparently 0:18:37.530 --> 0:18:42.270 in Tennessee, there's no protocol after a second dose. No 0:18:42.290 --> 0:18:44.669 one's ever survived. And the other thing about the doctors 0:18:44.780 --> 0:18:47.840 and the nurses is they can't in Tennessee. It's against 0:18:47.900 --> 0:18:50.960 the law for them to use those people because it 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.820 goes against the Hippocratic oath of taking a wife. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:54.440 That's right. 0:18:54.780 --> 0:18:57.300 So they're not allowed to use doctors and nurses, which 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.460 is why you end up with what you end up with. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:04.180 But like I said, I feel for the 911 operator. 0:19:04.260 --> 0:19:08.139 And trying to make sense of that. Your phone's cutting out. 0:19:08.180 --> 0:19:10.340 I get what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, it is confusing. 0:19:10.380 --> 0:19:14.260 Imagine the 911 call. And I'm sure they did make 0:19:14.300 --> 0:19:17.820 that call. That's crazy. We're not going to solve this, obviously. 0:19:18.140 --> 0:19:21.280 I just was trying to figure out how and why. 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:25.450 And I mean, no pride in your work anymore. I mean, seriously, 0:19:25.810 --> 0:19:28.310 I take pride in this, believe it or not. I 0:19:28.350 --> 0:19:30.570 work hard at it. You know what I mean? If 0:19:30.630 --> 0:19:33.520 I can't get this done, they'll find someone else. That's 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.640 what they should do in Tennessee. But in the meantime, 0:19:35.900 --> 0:19:38.060 I can break a lot of talk shows. I mean, 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.140 there's no question, whether it's segment by segment or otherwise, 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.379 I can drive right off the road. You don't do 0:19:43.420 --> 0:19:48.169 that now as I'm speaking. But it's just hard to process. Nikki, Larry, 0:19:48.270 --> 0:19:52.139 others coming up. Mo Egger, talk Bearcats and who they Bengals. 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.120 Cats versus cats and another cat in action after dark 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.430 tomorrow night, Friday, Sterling Nation Station that you're listening to 0:20:00.430 --> 0:20:04.650 930 reports straight away with Matt Reese, 700 WLW. 15.30 0:20:04.940 --> 0:20:08.180 in the afternoon, you hear him talking Bearcats, talking Bengals. 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.030 He's everywhere. He's kind enough to give us some time. 0:20:11.210 --> 0:20:12.669 Both of us started at the same time, and we're 0:20:12.710 --> 0:20:15.030 both still here. Holy crap. Mo Egger, how are you? 0:20:16.430 --> 0:20:17.550 I'm good, man. What's going on? 0:20:17.790 --> 0:20:18.090 Nothing. 0:20:18.310 --> 0:20:21.250 Just talking to you. Thinking about these Bengals, you know. 0:20:21.850 --> 0:20:22.369 And, uh. 0:20:23.660 --> 0:20:26.320 Just trying to figure out, I watched the Browns the 0:20:26.660 --> 0:20:29.080 other night there, and they seem to be clicking a 0:20:29.100 --> 0:20:32.500 little bit. Jacksonville's coming into town. I'm like, well, who 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.520 can I talk to about this? There's a guy who 0:20:34.580 --> 0:20:38.419 lives it, breathes it. It's you. So that's all that's 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:38.739 going on. 0:20:41.140 --> 0:20:41.459 You all right? 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.859 Uh-oh. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:44.240 Hello? 0:20:45.580 --> 0:20:45.980 You got me? 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:47.440 No, I got you now. Yeah, for a minute I 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:48.080 was like, wow. 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:49.000 Yes. 0:20:51.990 --> 0:20:56.820 So anyway, it was always, yeah. Tell me about this, 0:20:56.890 --> 0:21:01.600 this matchup this weekend. I mean, I've been gun shy 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.400 about these slow starts. They start sort of quick and 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.940 it doesn't go well. And I'm kind of sort of surprised. 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:09.930 And it was, you know, everybody, Oh, there's so much better. 0:21:09.970 --> 0:21:11.990 There's so much better, but are they really so much better? 0:21:12.010 --> 0:21:15.910 I think we're going to find out on Sunday. You know, 0:21:15.930 --> 0:21:18.710 you talk about this Jacksonville team. They've had one bad half. 0:21:19.090 --> 0:21:22.220 If you eliminate the second half, of their second game 0:21:22.300 --> 0:21:24.710 against the Denver Broncos in a game that they lost. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.580 They've outscored their opponents 79 to 19 in those five, 0:21:28.820 --> 0:21:31.380 in those five halves of football. They are really good. 0:21:31.900 --> 0:21:33.650 And if you go back to last season, you know, 0:21:33.690 --> 0:21:36.169 basically starting about the midway point of the season, they 0:21:36.210 --> 0:21:38.970 were an absolute wagon on offense. They have one of 0:21:38.990 --> 0:21:42.409 the best slot receivers in the NFL and Parker Washington. 0:21:42.490 --> 0:21:46.149 And so at face value, just knowing that this is 0:21:46.170 --> 0:21:48.200 going to be a tough game, but then you add 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.080 to it, all the injuries, the Bengals have been sifting 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.179 through in the secondary. You add the overall performance of 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.520 the defense last week and, You add the special teams miscues. 0:21:56.660 --> 0:22:01.619 I think there's legitimate reason for pensiveness and nervousness as 0:22:01.660 --> 0:22:03.230 you look at the game on Sunday. I think the 0:22:03.270 --> 0:22:07.530 difference between being 3-1, which they would be, the Bengals 0:22:07.550 --> 0:22:10.650 would be if they won this game, and 2-2 is 0:22:10.730 --> 0:22:13.409 pretty massive because they play a really bad team a 0:22:13.430 --> 0:22:17.150 week from Sunday. Then there's their bye. They win on Sunday. 0:22:17.190 --> 0:22:18.980 They have a chance to be 4-1 at the bye, 0:22:19.020 --> 0:22:21.760 which I think everybody would sign up for. Yep. lose, 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.240 and I think no matter what happens against Miami, you're 0:22:25.260 --> 0:22:27.300 going to feel pretty underwhelmed about the way the season 0:22:27.340 --> 0:22:27.720 has started. 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:30.660 I think you're right. Talking to, of course, Mo Egger, 0:22:30.780 --> 0:22:36.690 ESPN 1530, about the Bengals. Sunday, 1 o'clock, Paycor, Jacksonville, 0:22:36.790 --> 0:22:42.490 in town, Jags, Bengals getting it on. Is the line 0:22:42.510 --> 0:22:43.910 on the offense. 0:22:46.470 --> 0:22:49.770 Everything seemed like it had been fortified and up and 0:22:49.810 --> 0:22:52.209 much better. We know the D seems to be, but 0:22:52.250 --> 0:22:54.810 that offense seemed somewhat suspect to me, or was it 0:22:54.830 --> 0:22:56.130 just I had had too much to drink? 0:22:56.150 --> 0:23:00.730 I think the offensive line against Pittsburgh played pretty well 0:23:00.750 --> 0:23:05.230 at the end of the game. Marius Mims at right tackle. 0:23:06.170 --> 0:23:09.480 I was asked on a podcast by Paul Danner Jr. 0:23:09.500 --> 0:23:12.699 before the season for some bold predictions for the season. 0:23:13.420 --> 0:23:15.340 And one of mine was going to be that Amarius 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:20.180 Mims is an all-pro. And he's trending in that direction. 0:23:20.300 --> 0:23:22.859 He has been terrific. I thought Orlando Brown played better 0:23:23.340 --> 0:23:27.340 in the game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Unfortunately, as has 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.720 sadly often been the case over the last couple of years, 0:23:31.460 --> 0:23:33.280 when the game was hanging in the balance and the 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:36.560 offense needed to go down the field and win, Um, 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.010 Dalton Reisner gave up a pressure, gave up a sack. 0:23:40.530 --> 0:23:44.970 Joe Burrow fumbles the football Bengals lose. I still believe 0:23:45.030 --> 0:23:47.369 this is, and this isn't saying all that much. I 0:23:47.570 --> 0:23:49.740 still believe this is the best offensive line. Joe has 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:54.340 played behind. But that said, if you look at the 0:23:54.380 --> 0:23:57.140 performance of the offensive line in the second game in particular, 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.929 Orlando Brown, when Joe took a lot of hits, he 0:23:59.970 --> 0:24:03.470 got sacked five times. That overall performance left a lot 0:24:03.490 --> 0:24:07.810 to be desired. I worry about this on Sunday because 0:24:07.830 --> 0:24:10.670 Dalton Reisner has been on the injury report all week long. 0:24:11.290 --> 0:24:14.030 Orlando Brown still, I don't think has put enough good 0:24:14.070 --> 0:24:16.780 football on film this season to make you feel like, 0:24:16.820 --> 0:24:19.460 you know, he's an above average left tackle in this league. 0:24:20.380 --> 0:24:23.060 And so we'll see it to me. It remains the 0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.600 biggest question Mark about this team. I think top to bottom, 0:24:26.780 --> 0:24:30.050 if healthy defensively, they're going to be better. I think 0:24:30.090 --> 0:24:32.650 we can argue over how, how much better they're going 0:24:32.690 --> 0:24:35.129 to be. We all know about the skill guys, the 0:24:35.190 --> 0:24:37.290 Bengals have. I think most of us agree. The quarterback 0:24:37.350 --> 0:24:39.609 is really good defensively. Is the offensive line going to 0:24:39.650 --> 0:24:42.210 be able to play at an above average level? I 0:24:42.260 --> 0:24:45.880 thought against the Steelers for 58 minutes, it did until 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:46.560 it didn't. Yep. 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.700 And it didn't. That's the thing. It is a margin 0:24:50.740 --> 0:24:56.199 that's thin, especially in the AFC North. How good is 0:24:56.260 --> 0:24:59.119 Trevor Lawrence right now? I mean, everybody talks about him 0:24:59.180 --> 0:25:02.149 and Bengals have faced him before. We know that. But 0:25:02.590 --> 0:25:04.470 it's almost to me, even at this point, he sort 0:25:04.510 --> 0:25:08.310 of is sneaky good under the radar in some fashion. 0:25:08.869 --> 0:25:09.510 Or am I crazy? 0:25:11.050 --> 0:25:13.540 No, I think he's always been talented. I think that 0:25:13.580 --> 0:25:16.360 goes without saying. I think what happened for the majority 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.060 of his first, what was it, first four years on 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.580 the league, they had no coaching stability, right? They tried 0:25:22.619 --> 0:25:25.879 the Urban Meyer experiment. That didn't work. They paired him 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.150 with Doug Peterson. That didn't work. I think what they've 0:25:28.170 --> 0:25:30.940 done in Jacksonville is, is they have put him together 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.659 with a guy in Liam Cohen who has kind of 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:37.260 bounced around football. He was briefly the offensive coordinator at 0:25:37.300 --> 0:25:40.250 the University of Kentucky. I think they have paired Trevor 0:25:40.270 --> 0:25:42.590 Lawrence with a guy who knows what he's doing as 0:25:43.090 --> 0:25:46.129 the team's primary play caller, as the team's head coach. 0:25:46.530 --> 0:25:48.790 Also built a good team around him. Again, I go 0:25:48.810 --> 0:25:51.139 back to last year when they won eight consecutive games. 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.260 I'm not sure there was a better team in the league. 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:57.420 And I think they have so much talent that even 0:25:57.460 --> 0:26:00.270 a guy in Travis Hunter, a dude who played both 0:26:00.310 --> 0:26:03.330 ways in college, we barely even talk about him because 0:26:03.930 --> 0:26:06.690 not that he's not very good. A, he got injured 0:26:06.730 --> 0:26:09.070 last year. B, they just have a lot of other guys. 0:26:09.530 --> 0:26:12.560 But the conversation starts with Trevor Lawrence. I watched him 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:16.040 a few years ago engineer one of the better comebacks 0:26:16.060 --> 0:26:18.120 you'll ever see in the NFL playoffs in the game 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.900 against Atlanta. the LA chargers, he's terrific. Uh, and you 0:26:21.940 --> 0:26:23.919 put him in the right system with guys he could 0:26:23.940 --> 0:26:27.410 throw to Brian Thomas, Parker Washington. But I think more 0:26:27.450 --> 0:26:29.490 than anything, a guy who knows what he's doing as 0:26:29.550 --> 0:26:32.910 an offensive coach, an offensive minded head coach. I think 0:26:32.930 --> 0:26:36.420 that's something that Trevor Lawrence didn't have over his first 0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.100 four seasons. He has it now. And I think the 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.440 results last year and so far, so far season has 0:26:42.460 --> 0:26:43.340 spoken for themselves. 0:26:44.100 --> 0:26:48.690 Um, What about this defense and what kind of nightmare 0:26:48.730 --> 0:26:52.320 they can pose for Trevor Lawrence? It was, we obviously 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.540 have seen this defense for the Bengals improve and make 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.340 some turnovers that have benefited who day overall. 0:26:59.520 --> 0:26:59.800 Yeah. 0:26:59.859 --> 0:27:02.920 You know, I think what I, what I think every 0:27:02.980 --> 0:27:05.639 fan is wondering about is the status of the secondary, 0:27:05.700 --> 0:27:08.490 given all the injury issues they have, you know, they've, 0:27:08.510 --> 0:27:10.850 they're going to move Dax Hill to the inside to 0:27:10.930 --> 0:27:13.290 play slot corner, which he had played prior to last 0:27:13.310 --> 0:27:16.919 season and, Because of injury, right? Because they don't have 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:21.609 their slot guy, Jalen Davis. Everybody at the safety position 0:27:22.170 --> 0:27:26.030 has spent time on the injury report this week. For me, though, 0:27:26.090 --> 0:27:28.109 and I think I'll go back to what Duke Tobin 0:27:28.150 --> 0:27:31.390 said back in February, and I'll go back to what 0:27:31.410 --> 0:27:34.490 we talked about all throughout training camp, pass rushes came 0:27:35.070 --> 0:27:37.420 in the first two games. I think you saw a 0:27:38.660 --> 0:27:41.610 pass rush that was very, very capable. You're not always 0:27:41.630 --> 0:27:43.890 going to force a bunch of fumbles, but they forced 0:27:44.010 --> 0:27:47.090 three Baker Mayfield fumbles in the first game. And then 0:27:47.109 --> 0:27:49.730 I think just collectively did a really good job of 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:51.840 winning at the point of attack in the second game. 0:27:52.380 --> 0:27:55.080 I thought against Pittsburgh, what was maybe the most frustrating 0:27:55.180 --> 0:27:59.090 part of that loss was They allowed Aaron Rogers who 0:27:59.470 --> 0:28:02.139 got his ass kicked last night, quite frankly, by a, a, 0:28:02.410 --> 0:28:07.119 a dominant Cleveland defensive front last night. They allowed Aaron Rogers, 0:28:07.140 --> 0:28:08.659 the Bengals did to kind of stand there and do 0:28:08.700 --> 0:28:11.899 whatever he wanted to do. And you take that and 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:15.380 then you combine it with the missed tackles. And what was, 0:28:15.460 --> 0:28:18.340 I think so frustrating from that perspective is over the 0:28:18.380 --> 0:28:21.540 last two seasons, all we've talked about is, are the 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.050 Bengals going to be better at making tackles? were so 0:28:25.090 --> 0:28:28.900 bad last year. They were so bad in 2024. Well, 0:28:28.940 --> 0:28:32.140 Jalen Warren himself for the Steelers caused 10 missed tackles. 0:28:32.420 --> 0:28:35.990 Darnell Washington, a massive tight end, a bunch more missed tackles. 0:28:36.490 --> 0:28:38.640 Even in the first game against Tampa Bay, the Bengals 0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.240 had a bunch of missed tackles. I think some of 0:28:40.260 --> 0:28:43.160 them were a byproduct of Baker Mayfield being chased out 0:28:43.180 --> 0:28:46.460 of the pocket. But that's what I wondered about this 0:28:46.700 --> 0:28:49.460 defense coming into the season. And that's what we still 0:28:49.510 --> 0:28:51.470 wonder about it now. Are they going to be able 0:28:51.490 --> 0:28:52.830 to get the guy with the ball to the ground? 0:28:53.070 --> 0:28:56.070 Against Pittsburgh, the answer was no. And again, the results 0:28:56.090 --> 0:28:58.290 spoke for themselves. If the answer is no on Sunday, 0:28:58.830 --> 0:29:01.330 very good chance Trevor Lawrence and that Jacksonville offense is 0:29:01.370 --> 0:29:02.360 going to do whatever it wants. 0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.220 Talking to Mo Egger, ESPN 1530, you hear him in 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:09.160 the afternoons covering Bengals, Bearcats all over the broadcast. He's everywhere. 0:29:09.220 --> 0:29:11.520 Kind of give us some time on the weekend, Sterling. 0:29:12.420 --> 0:29:13.660 I don't want to dwell on it because it's not 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:15.850 the matchup for the Bengals with the Jags this weekend, 0:29:15.870 --> 0:29:18.900 but you mentioned Aaron Rodgers and certainly that. I tell you, 0:29:18.940 --> 0:29:21.540 last night was great. When stuff doesn't work, he's fun 0:29:21.580 --> 0:29:23.530 to watch because he just turns into such a– for 0:29:23.610 --> 0:29:24.990 want of a better way to describe it, a bitch. 0:29:25.350 --> 0:29:29.550 He just starts yelling at people and coming onto the sideline, 0:29:29.590 --> 0:29:32.450 just yelling at everybody. And for some reason, when he's 0:29:32.510 --> 0:29:35.110 struggling and that's happening, I enjoy that to no end. 0:29:35.590 --> 0:29:38.790 And I normally don't revel in other people's misery, but 0:29:39.090 --> 0:29:42.400 he's just I don't know, something to watch. 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.400 He's an easy guy to root against. And when things 0:29:46.460 --> 0:29:49.070 go wrong, as they did last night, it feels like 0:29:49.150 --> 0:29:51.150 nothing is ever his fault. But I'll tell you what, 0:29:51.230 --> 0:29:53.970 to me, and it might pain me to say this, 0:29:54.310 --> 0:29:56.170 it might pain a lot of folks listening to this 0:29:56.370 --> 0:29:58.790 to hear this, I thought the story of the game 0:29:58.830 --> 0:30:01.920 last night was all the young talent, the Cleveland Browns have, 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:04.590 I don't know how good they're going to be. You know, 0:30:05.170 --> 0:30:08.240 I'm going to stop short of declaring that Deshaun Watson 0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.820 is back to being the guy he was in Houston. But, 0:30:12.460 --> 0:30:14.080 you know, Tony Pike and I have talked about this 0:30:14.140 --> 0:30:16.140 a lot. They have a really good draft. They took 0:30:16.180 --> 0:30:18.190 two really good young wide receivers. They have a lot 0:30:18.210 --> 0:30:20.170 of really good young players. The player they got from 0:30:20.190 --> 0:30:24.910 the Rams in exchange for Miles Garrett, Jared Verse, is really, 0:30:24.990 --> 0:30:29.050 really good. It feels like they have... something kind of 0:30:29.070 --> 0:30:31.810 special happening there where it's a lot of young players 0:30:32.330 --> 0:30:35.160 who I don't think are, you know, they don't know 0:30:35.220 --> 0:30:37.520 that they're not supposed to be very good. So I 0:30:37.580 --> 0:30:40.040 thought that was the story of the game. You had 0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.140 the young upstart Browns that I thought made the Steelers 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:47.270 as a team, and obviously in particular Aaron Rodgers, look very, 0:30:47.330 --> 0:30:50.230 very old. And it's frustrating because the Browns did in 0:30:50.270 --> 0:30:51.790 that game what I think a lot of us hoped 0:30:51.810 --> 0:30:53.090 the Bengals would do but couldn't. 0:30:53.370 --> 0:30:55.810 Yeah, I absolutely agree. All right, Mo Egger, let's shift 0:30:55.850 --> 0:30:58.090 gears just a little bit. You want to give a 0:30:58.130 --> 0:31:00.350 prediction for Sunday? I don't know really how to do that, 0:31:00.370 --> 0:31:04.230 but I mean, you can or you're not. 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:05.740 I mean, I see what I mean. I will be 0:31:05.780 --> 0:31:07.540 honest with you. I'm not in love with this game 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.720 on Sunday, and I've been bullish on the Bengals. Yeah, 0:31:10.780 --> 0:31:13.580 I've been bullish on the Bengals for months. You know, 0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.720 I still believe they're going to win the AFC North. 0:31:16.530 --> 0:31:20.070 I still have him in that 11-12 win range, but 0:31:20.250 --> 0:31:23.910 just the injuries on defense, the way this Jacksonville team 0:31:23.950 --> 0:31:26.490 is playing, how they can poke holes in some of 0:31:26.530 --> 0:31:28.450 the issues the Bengals have, I'll be honest with you, 0:31:28.820 --> 0:31:30.780 there's a lot about this game I really don't like. 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:32.340 I'll leave my prediction at that. 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.070 I think that works. I think a lot of us 0:31:35.090 --> 0:31:39.830 feel the same way. Now, Big 12, big matchup, Arizona, Bearcats, 0:31:40.410 --> 0:31:42.960 and it's after dark, unbeaten, and they lead the way 0:31:43.000 --> 0:31:45.580 in the Big 12. First of all, how surprised are 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.060 you to this point for what the schedule has been 0:31:48.740 --> 0:31:52.170 before they face Arizona in this matchup come tomorrow night 0:31:52.210 --> 0:31:53.450 at 11? 0:31:53.450 --> 0:31:55.930 You know, I'll sound a little bit like a homer 0:31:55.990 --> 0:31:58.060 and tell you that I'm not surprised at all, but 0:31:58.100 --> 0:32:02.760 I'm not stunned. Thank you, Alberto. I'm not stunned. You know, 0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:07.150 I think, I'm sorry, I'm getting out of an Uber. Now, 0:32:08.260 --> 0:32:09.580 I'd be lying to you if I told you I 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.459 thought they'd come back and beat Miami when they were 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.480 down by 21 points. I'd be lying to you if 0:32:13.540 --> 0:32:15.660 I told you that when they were trailing Kansas State 0:32:15.700 --> 0:32:18.360 by 10 early in the game last week that they 0:32:18.380 --> 0:32:20.780 were in great shape. But I think what the Bearcats 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.400 can do is control the football game, control the football 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.720 game on the ground. They have a really good offensive line, 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:27.840 and particularly the left side of their offensive line. They 0:32:27.860 --> 0:32:30.880 have two backs who last week each went over 100 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:34.200 yards in Jabron Payne and Cole Tapp. 0:32:35.020 --> 0:32:35.700 That's good. 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.440 I think where you have pause two things, one, they 0:32:39.460 --> 0:32:42.840 have been atrocious at getting after the opposing quarterback. And 0:32:42.900 --> 0:32:45.000 so are they going to be able to find ways 0:32:45.100 --> 0:32:48.130 to apply more pass rush? And then number two, and 0:32:48.150 --> 0:32:51.050 I think every Bearcat fan went into the season wondering, okay, 0:32:51.550 --> 0:32:54.230 how good is their quarterback? JC French has done a 0:32:54.390 --> 0:32:57.830 marvelous job. I think he's thrown nearly 200 consecutive passes 0:32:58.330 --> 0:33:02.020 without an interception. I think part of that, though, is 0:33:02.060 --> 0:33:05.140 he's a little gun-shy. Now, it's great to protect the football. 0:33:05.310 --> 0:33:08.310 You want that. That goes without saying. But there's a 0:33:08.350 --> 0:33:09.830 part of me that would like to see him be 0:33:09.850 --> 0:33:12.950 a little bit more bold downfield and maybe take a 0:33:12.990 --> 0:33:15.060 shot or two, because I think the Bearcats actually have 0:33:15.100 --> 0:33:18.600 some decent skill guys. And so this game tomorrow, you know, 0:33:18.620 --> 0:33:20.660 if you go back to last season, the Bearcats lost 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:25.020 their last five games, right? The most frustrating of those 0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:28.350 losses was the game at home to Arizona and Noah Fafita, 0:33:28.510 --> 0:33:32.450 a really good throwing quarterback. I think the game tomorrow 0:33:33.070 --> 0:33:35.110 is going to be really high scoring, and I think 0:33:35.150 --> 0:33:38.330 the game tomorrow is almost going to require J.C. French, 0:33:38.350 --> 0:33:41.010 the UC quarterback, to do a little bit more with 0:33:41.050 --> 0:33:43.630 his arm. He only threw it 13 times last week 0:33:43.670 --> 0:33:46.910 against Kansas State. The Bearcats controlled the game on the ground. 0:33:47.370 --> 0:33:50.990 When a team sells itself out to take away Cincinnati's 0:33:51.050 --> 0:33:54.170 rushing attack, which I think Arizona will do, Can you 0:33:54.190 --> 0:33:56.240 see his quarterback rise to the occasion? And I think 0:33:56.260 --> 0:33:58.120 there's a fair amount of skepticism as to whether or 0:33:58.160 --> 0:33:59.820 not he's going to be able to do that. 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:02.060 Well, I guess we'll see how it goes. You know 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.010 what else is interesting to me about this and how 0:34:05.110 --> 0:34:08.510 good they have been so far in seeming to develop? 0:34:09.030 --> 0:34:11.310 And it's a wild thing to watch your view of 0:34:11.390 --> 0:34:13.370 it doing what you do compared to me just sort 0:34:13.410 --> 0:34:16.900 of as a fan generally is how these rosters are 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.880 being pieced together. looking at everybody when it comes to 0:34:20.900 --> 0:34:24.280 the money and trying to basically recruit a class every 0:34:24.430 --> 0:34:26.870 single season. It's a, it's a wild thing to see 0:34:26.910 --> 0:34:27.510 come together. 0:34:29.130 --> 0:34:31.810 Yeah. I mean, you know, this is, this version of 0:34:31.870 --> 0:34:37.629 college football is unrecognizable to anybody who might, you know, 0:34:38.230 --> 0:34:41.290 might've gone into a coma seven or eight years ago. 0:34:41.310 --> 0:34:45.630 I mean, it, you know, and it's, it's true. 0:34:45.650 --> 0:34:50.560 There's, Your average Big 12 team, obviously that's a league 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:56.200 Cincinnati is in, has more than 35 new players. Now, obviously, 0:34:56.260 --> 0:34:59.219 some of them are freshmen, but an overwhelming majority of 0:34:59.260 --> 0:35:01.669 them are not. It's why the team they're playing tomorrow, Arizona, 0:35:01.690 --> 0:35:03.930 is an outlier. Noah Fafita, their quarterback, has been a 0:35:03.950 --> 0:35:07.290 part of that program for five years now. That's something 0:35:07.450 --> 0:35:09.469 you simply don't have. And so I think there's good 0:35:09.510 --> 0:35:12.069 and bad to that. The good is, well, if you 0:35:12.090 --> 0:35:14.150 have a bad season, you can hit the reset button 0:35:14.210 --> 0:35:16.730 and go buy a whole new roster and have a 0:35:16.770 --> 0:35:19.149 whole new team and be significantly better in a very 0:35:19.210 --> 0:35:22.250 short amount of time. I think from a fan perspective, though, 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:27.020 The one thing, and I'm a UC guy, the one 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.620 thing I've loved about being a fan of the Bearcats 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:32.640 football and basketball has been watching guys over the course 0:35:32.739 --> 0:35:38.340 of three years, four years, or five years grow, develop, 0:35:38.739 --> 0:35:40.340 and you feel like you have a connection to them. 0:35:40.460 --> 0:35:42.799 Des Ritter was UC's quarterback for four years, and I 0:35:42.860 --> 0:35:45.020 remember him as a freshman. He couldn't throw the ball. 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:47.660 And then by the time he was a senior, he 0:35:47.739 --> 0:35:52.960 ended up being the third quarterback taken in the 2022 draft. 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:57.460 And you felt a connection to him. Kenyon Martin is 0:35:57.480 --> 0:35:59.900 a basketball fan. Kenyon Martin, as a freshman, could not 0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:02.440 play by his senior year. He was the best player 0:36:02.460 --> 0:36:04.540 in the country, number one overall pick in the NBA draft. 0:36:04.580 --> 0:36:06.800 And over those four years, you watched him grow and develop. 0:36:07.180 --> 0:36:09.970 I missed that. And I think when you have... When 0:36:09.989 --> 0:36:12.350 you don't have that as much, fans don't feel as 0:36:12.390 --> 0:36:15.250 connected to the players on their favorite team. And then 0:36:15.290 --> 0:36:17.430 by extension, they don't feel as connected to the team 0:36:17.469 --> 0:36:18.049 they cheer for. 0:36:18.130 --> 0:36:18.430 You know what? 0:36:18.450 --> 0:36:21.250 It'll be interesting to see five, ten years down the 0:36:21.290 --> 0:36:25.029 line when kids have been through school out and in 0:36:25.070 --> 0:36:27.029 the world for a little while, if they have that 0:36:27.469 --> 0:36:30.420 same feeling. I imagine if it's a program that wins, 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.549 they'll embrace it more and have that connection. even though 0:36:33.590 --> 0:36:36.100 they may have lost that individual player feeling that so 0:36:36.140 --> 0:36:39.339 many of us in pro sports have lost a couple 0:36:39.380 --> 0:36:41.660 decades ago, I guess. Maybe. I don't know. 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:44.859 I can only speak as a fan, and I'll make 0:36:44.900 --> 0:36:47.450 it about UC. When they made the college football playoff 0:36:47.510 --> 0:36:52.050 in 2021, went undefeated, beat Notre Dame, 13-0, played Alabama. 0:36:52.630 --> 0:36:54.710 To me, what was great about that as a fan was, 0:36:55.460 --> 0:36:59.200 I watched those guys in 2018 and 2019. I watched 0:36:59.550 --> 0:37:04.170 Sauce Gardner and Kobe Bryant and Brian Cook and Des Ritter. 0:37:04.469 --> 0:37:07.070 And I watched so many of those guys kind of like, 0:37:07.469 --> 0:37:11.290 you know, collectively grow together. And so I remember in 0:37:11.290 --> 0:37:14.900 2018 thinking like, boy, if these guys stay together in 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.459 two or three years, they could be really, really good. 0:37:17.340 --> 0:37:19.339 And then in 2021, going into the season, thinking like 0:37:19.380 --> 0:37:21.620 this is the culmination of years of watching these guys 0:37:21.660 --> 0:37:26.680 grow together, sometimes fail together. I, I think as a fan, 0:37:26.700 --> 0:37:31.860 that's special. I think as a student athlete, they're getting paid, 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.620 which is great. I want them to get paid. I 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:38.299 certainly believe that you should have some ability to move 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:42.299 if you're in a bad situation in college. That said, 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:44.940 when you talk to... I work with Tony Pike. When 0:37:44.980 --> 0:37:47.520 I talk with him about his teammates that he played... 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.720 Tony was in school for six years. When he played 0:37:49.940 --> 0:37:53.030 that he played for two, three, four, five years with, 0:37:53.570 --> 0:37:56.870 it's different... than I think when you spend a year 0:37:56.910 --> 0:38:01.000 with somebody, you know, and like winning, I'm sure creates 0:38:01.060 --> 0:38:03.530 bonds that, you know, losing teams don't enjoy. 0:38:03.550 --> 0:38:03.910 I just. 0:38:05.180 --> 0:38:07.500 I have to think that there are parts of the 0:38:07.580 --> 0:38:11.180 college athlete experience that, while it's awesome that they're getting paid, 0:38:11.739 --> 0:38:13.770 aren't as cool as it used to be. 0:38:13.930 --> 0:38:14.270 For sure. 0:38:14.290 --> 0:38:17.490 Because you just, dudes are hopscotching all over the place. 0:38:18.210 --> 0:38:21.170 Here's the other side, though. You can't spend the good feeling, 0:38:21.230 --> 0:38:23.330 but you can spend that money if you don't live 0:38:23.350 --> 0:38:25.790 the dream to even collect the league minimum in the 0:38:25.870 --> 0:38:26.930 NFL or elsewhere. 0:38:26.950 --> 0:38:27.589 Sure. 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:27.819 Right? 0:38:28.430 --> 0:38:30.620 So you may not have that all, but later on 0:38:30.660 --> 0:38:32.140 when you're trying to get out in the real world 0:38:32.180 --> 0:38:34.219 and you've got a little bit of bank, hopefully, it 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.600 certainly makes life a little easier when you're trying to 0:38:36.620 --> 0:38:38.100 navigate it. 0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:40.360 Trust me. You're talking to somebody who– I think it's 0:38:40.460 --> 0:38:42.340 awesome the guys get paid. I don't want there to 0:38:42.380 --> 0:38:45.300 be restrictions on what they make. I am the ultimate capitalist. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.880 I don't believe in salary caps. I don't believe in 0:38:48.219 --> 0:38:53.240 restricting what people pull in. And so, yeah, look, I'm 0:38:53.300 --> 0:38:56.040 around a lot of student-athletes. Their lifestyle is a heck 0:38:56.060 --> 0:38:59.750 of a lot different than student-athletes of even just seven 0:38:59.770 --> 0:39:01.230 or eight years ago, much less 20, 25, 30 years ago. 0:39:01.250 --> 0:39:01.330 Sure. 0:39:04.290 --> 0:39:07.010 You know, is there something about the experience of being 0:39:07.050 --> 0:39:09.529 in one place for a long amount of time that 0:39:09.570 --> 0:39:10.350 I think is special? 0:39:10.969 --> 0:39:11.509 Absolutely. 0:39:11.570 --> 0:39:13.830 And I think a lot of kids are missing out 0:39:13.910 --> 0:39:16.250 on that. And it might not matter to them because 0:39:16.290 --> 0:39:19.629 they are starting whatever's coming after college with a nice 0:39:19.690 --> 0:39:21.790 nest egg if they've handled their money well. And I 0:39:21.850 --> 0:39:24.350 think that's good. But I just wish there was a 0:39:24.410 --> 0:39:27.569 way to sort of combine both. And I unfortunately don't 0:39:27.610 --> 0:39:29.589 think that toothpaste is being put back in the tube. 0:39:29.830 --> 0:39:29.930 Right. 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:31.700 Think we are of like minds in that. It's always 0:39:31.739 --> 0:39:33.779 good to catch up. Thank you for making time on 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:38.620 a Friday night. Mo Egger, ESPN 1530. Tomorrow night, talking 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:43.360 Bearcats in Arizona, Big 12, late-night matchup. And then, of course, Sunday, 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.370 1 o'clock, Paycorp, Jaguars in town. You got Chase, you 0:39:47.390 --> 0:39:50.569 got Burrow in company, Bengals getting it on. where the 0:39:50.630 --> 0:39:54.090 best Bengals coverage is 700 WLW. Thank you, Mo Egger. 0:39:55.260 --> 0:39:55.799 All right, man, thanks. 0:39:55.930 --> 0:39:58.380 Take care of yourself. I appreciate you being here and 0:39:58.460 --> 0:40:03.319 navigating the world of driver car situation and doing the 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:07.739 show segment. Tremendous. Superstar activities. Quick break. We'll come back. 0:40:07.739 --> 0:40:10.759 10 o'clock report straight away. Lots more to do. Space stuff, 0:40:11.110 --> 0:40:14.489 movie conversation, and more on the home of the best 0:40:14.570 --> 0:40:19.770 Bengals coverage. News Radio 700 WLW Cincinnati. Match-ups of match-ups. 0:40:21.010 --> 0:40:22.989 Bengals look to bounce back, get a win with the 0:40:23.050 --> 0:40:27.360 Jags in town Sunday, 1 o'clock, Paycor, where? Home of Bengals, 0:40:27.420 --> 0:40:31.500 best Bengal coverage, where is it? Newsradio 700, WLW, yes, correct. 0:40:31.520 --> 0:40:37.170 All right, so here we are. Russ Jackson, keep me 0:40:37.210 --> 0:40:40.090 online and in time. There are cameras all over this building, 0:40:40.310 --> 0:40:44.239 by the way. There are cameras in this studio. There 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.219 are cameras in most places. There are cameras when you 0:40:47.260 --> 0:40:49.540 go to gas up your car. There are cameras in school. 0:40:49.580 --> 0:40:51.920 There are cameras in the post office. There are cameras 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.620 on cameras. There's a camera on your wrist, most likely. 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:57.610 There's probably a camera on your phone. If not, I 0:40:57.620 --> 0:40:59.950 don't know. Are you like a unicorn or something like that? 0:40:59.969 --> 0:41:01.590 You might have the one phone that doesn't have a 0:41:01.610 --> 0:41:04.170 camera on at this point. Even my mom does and 0:41:04.210 --> 0:41:08.450 listens to the iHeartRadio app. which is unbelievable because she 0:41:08.530 --> 0:41:12.009 is not the most technologically savvy person out there. That 0:41:12.090 --> 0:41:15.350 being said, as we sit here now after months and 0:41:15.390 --> 0:41:19.100 months of conversation about the flock camera situation around this 0:41:19.180 --> 0:41:22.860 country and what it means to privacy issues and safety 0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.359 and security. I can recall sitting behind this very microphone 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.860 just on the other side of Montgomery Road from Kenwood 0:41:30.900 --> 0:41:35.160 Town Center within hours after a smash and grab took 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.239 place at a jewelry store where thousands of dollars of 0:41:38.300 --> 0:41:43.560 jewels had been taken. Where those perpetrators, the accused, the alleged, 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:46.550 I don't need a lawsuit. were able to be tracked down, 0:41:47.170 --> 0:41:51.709 their movements followed, isolating them and letting law enforcement know 0:41:51.790 --> 0:41:54.430 where they were effectively so they were able to track 0:41:54.530 --> 0:41:59.930 them down and lock them up. The flock cameras work. 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:06.239 The flock cameras do have other problems with misuse and 0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:11.029 abuse of the technology. Individuals in law enforcement across the 0:42:11.070 --> 0:42:14.910 country who have either been up to no good, having 0:42:14.950 --> 0:42:19.090 some type of stalker behavior, looking to harass other people 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.380 or otherwise, the misuse of this information and the cash 0:42:22.420 --> 0:42:26.040 data has been proven time and time again. And it's 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:30.360 not a bunch of abuse compared to the actual outcome 0:42:30.380 --> 0:42:36.580 and positive nature of the technology. But whether it's Hamilton 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.920 County is in just the news today, or Dayton, Ohio 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:45.319 from weeks back, or pick a municipality on the other 0:42:45.380 --> 0:42:47.640 side of the Ohio from where I sit now in 0:42:47.700 --> 0:42:52.719 Northern Kentucky and across this country, city by city, they 0:42:52.820 --> 0:42:58.140 fall like dominoes where they are saying, nah, nah, nah, baby, nah. 0:42:58.660 --> 0:43:01.970 We don't want these cameras around because of people's fear. 0:43:02.390 --> 0:43:06.660 My question to you is this. If they work, If 0:43:06.700 --> 0:43:11.830 there's a way to safeguard the abuse of the technology 0:43:12.410 --> 0:43:15.410 so that someone doesn't decide that their ex or someone 0:43:15.430 --> 0:43:18.169 they're interested in or someone they've got a problem with 0:43:18.710 --> 0:43:22.400 is not able to be tracked down, followed in a 0:43:22.450 --> 0:43:25.719 history of their path and pattern of travels to where 0:43:25.780 --> 0:43:28.939 someone can either look to do them harm or just 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.480 basically get up in their business when it is none 0:43:31.500 --> 0:43:34.400 of their business, then I think we could be in 0:43:34.420 --> 0:43:37.790 a good place if that could be controlled. But apparently, 0:43:38.469 --> 0:43:43.620 there is a lack of trust between the public and 0:43:43.700 --> 0:43:47.840 safety administration and law enforcement and maybe the state, maybe 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:50.480 the county, and maybe the federal government as we sit 0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:54.540 here in 2026 on the cusp of another election as 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:58.759 well as the cusp of another new year. So I 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.330 just want to ask you this. Where is the line 0:44:02.370 --> 0:44:07.060 of acceptability when it comes to the utilization of of 0:44:07.100 --> 0:44:11.380 your travels, the data from your car, because most likely 0:44:11.460 --> 0:44:15.839 if it's a late model car within the last, what, 10, 12, 13, 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.109 14 years, there's a whole lot of data being kept 0:44:19.630 --> 0:44:22.910 on your driving habits and speed and all kinds of 0:44:22.969 --> 0:44:25.330 other stuff, effectively a black box in the vehicle that 0:44:25.370 --> 0:44:28.350 people willy-nilly trade with insurance companies for a deal on 0:44:28.370 --> 0:44:32.550 their rates. And you likely have cameras at your house 0:44:32.850 --> 0:44:35.670 or your business where you work, maybe what you own. 0:44:36.570 --> 0:44:39.150 So that you can keep track of your stuff, people's 0:44:39.210 --> 0:44:42.590 comings and goings in and around your property, be it 0:44:42.610 --> 0:44:46.400 your business and operating hours to keep shrinkage to a minimum, 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:49.620 be it theft from inside the company or everyday people 0:44:49.739 --> 0:44:51.819 out and about in the world who might like to 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.100 cause some type of problems. of one type or another. 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:59.930 You see cameras everywhere. You see the mobile cameras that 0:45:00.010 --> 0:45:04.989 police or companies are providing to private ownership of businesses 0:45:05.250 --> 0:45:08.150 to put in their parking lots and other places so 0:45:08.190 --> 0:45:13.650 that law enforcement can have information shared instantaneously about people 0:45:14.050 --> 0:45:17.520 losing their mind and doing dumbass things like donuts in 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:21.540 the middle of intersections or in parking lots or street 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.960 sort of meetups where they can cause problem at gas 0:45:24.980 --> 0:45:28.839 stations or restaurants or in a neighborhood or otherwise. Those 0:45:28.900 --> 0:45:33.359 are all, I think, anything I've just mentioned, all positive 0:45:33.410 --> 0:45:39.330 benefits from the surveillance state. I did say surveillance state, though, 0:45:39.350 --> 0:45:43.509 didn't I? And that's the worry that people have, that 0:45:43.550 --> 0:45:47.089 Big Brother is watching. But on your social media, be 0:45:47.130 --> 0:45:50.190 it Facebook or otherwise, my guess is there's baby pictures, 0:45:50.270 --> 0:45:53.970 personal travel pictures, oftentimes when and while on vacation, which 0:45:53.989 --> 0:45:56.759 you should not share, which lets people know how they 0:45:56.780 --> 0:45:59.320 can find your stuff when you're not where you normally 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.700 are to get into your stuff. But you have cameras 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.040 maybe at the house so you can watch them when 0:46:04.060 --> 0:46:08.040 you're on vacation. What's the difference between the flock camera 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.250 and those? And the talk had been that some of 0:46:10.270 --> 0:46:13.430 your doorbell cameras or my doorbell camera, depending on whose 0:46:13.870 --> 0:46:16.730 ownership of the device and system that you're paying for, 0:46:17.430 --> 0:46:21.430 could in fact be utilized by law enforcement. And that 0:46:21.450 --> 0:46:24.140 has been proven effective too. If you just go to 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:30.540 YouTube and search like doorbell cameras, CCTV, or otherwise, the 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:36.390 sheer enormity of data and documentation of odd things happening 0:46:36.450 --> 0:46:41.800 on porches with, you know, porch pirates or accidents happening 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:46.840 or weird weather anomalies or, I mean, pick a circumstance. 0:46:49.780 --> 0:46:52.020 I guess what it boils down to is the trust, 0:46:52.900 --> 0:46:56.299 whether it's the city of Cincinnati or Louisville or Lexington 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.680 or Covington or Newport or Dayton, Kentucky or Dayton, Ohio 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.680 or Middletown or wherever else in between. Do you trust 0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.960 The initiative and the actions of people in positions of 0:47:10.020 --> 0:47:13.640 power and authority that put on badges that we entrust 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.830 with our safety and security to enforce the laws on 0:47:17.850 --> 0:47:20.090 the books to keep those who cannot play in the 0:47:20.130 --> 0:47:26.210 big sandbox of life from becoming a hazard and victimizing 0:47:26.250 --> 0:47:28.670 all of us, right? So if we can trust them 0:47:28.730 --> 0:47:32.730 to do that, and we trust them and hope that 0:47:32.750 --> 0:47:36.400 they are– brave enough to put themselves in a situation 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:40.219 where every time they put that uniform on, every time 0:47:40.260 --> 0:47:43.040 they do detailed job in that uniform, whether it's outside 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.270 UC where a couple of summers ago, somebody got run 0:47:46.310 --> 0:47:48.589 down by a guy who was upset out of his 0:47:48.670 --> 0:47:54.270 mind or just acting in an aberration of bad behavior 0:47:54.290 --> 0:47:57.080 and reaction to what happened to his son. to what 0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.129 happened in Kentucky with a state trooper, with a bad actor, 0:48:00.150 --> 0:48:02.730 with a gun who decided to gun him down, there 0:48:02.790 --> 0:48:05.990 is danger inherent with that job. Whether it's a simple, 0:48:06.469 --> 0:48:08.310 as much as one can call it that, a traffic 0:48:08.350 --> 0:48:12.690 stop or domestic violence call where all the parties involved, 0:48:12.750 --> 0:48:16.360 whether it's the victim or the aggressor, often will turn 0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:19.660 on law enforcement when called to provide assistance and help 0:48:19.700 --> 0:48:22.480 in the midst of that trauma. It ain't an easy job. 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:26.379 It's often a thankless job. And it's certainly a dangerous job. 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.140 And it's interesting that we have this and we trust 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:35.670 them with all of these things. But apparently don't trust 0:48:35.730 --> 0:48:39.029 the idea of the flock camera that's out there now, 0:48:39.450 --> 0:48:42.840 either bagged or tore down or vandalized or just sitting 0:48:42.860 --> 0:48:45.380 there and you don't know whether it's the city or 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:49.219 a county or other municipality or a school district. Because 0:48:49.260 --> 0:48:52.220 school districts have spent tens of thousands, if not hundreds 0:48:52.260 --> 0:48:55.839 of thousands of dollars for these flock cameras to be 0:48:55.940 --> 0:48:59.040 up in or around high schools, middle schools, elementary schools, 0:48:59.420 --> 0:49:02.260 keeping track of who's picking up kids, coming and going, 0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:06.050 and for the safety and the well-being of those children 0:49:06.090 --> 0:49:10.670 inside those facilities so that we can go on with 0:49:10.730 --> 0:49:13.069 our daily lives and hope that they're okay and can 0:49:13.110 --> 0:49:18.640 come home safe. So whether it's your face when you're 0:49:18.660 --> 0:49:22.090 at the airport, whether it's the camera at the convenience store, 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:26.259 whether it's you at the red light, whether it's you 0:49:26.340 --> 0:49:28.520 driving down the street to the library to pick the 0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:30.640 kids up to go get a bite to eat, whatever 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:34.959 else it happens to be, how concerned are you about 0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:39.420 the flock camera thing or the surveillance society in which 0:49:39.460 --> 0:49:41.989 we're living? at this particular point. I don't know if 0:49:42.010 --> 0:49:45.210 I'd say it's a big brother state, but it's close 0:49:45.250 --> 0:49:48.470 in a lot of people's minds. But when they work 0:49:49.410 --> 0:49:54.770 and when they're operated appropriately, respecting the line of usage, 0:49:57.030 --> 0:50:02.149 it's an incredibly successful and proper tool. But because some 0:50:02.230 --> 0:50:06.460 people can't handle it, all of us pay the price. 0:50:07.250 --> 0:50:10.270 It will be a little bit more wild out on 0:50:10.310 --> 0:50:13.650 the streets, and we will see a slowing down of 0:50:13.710 --> 0:50:17.029 some of the quick ability to track individuals down who 0:50:17.050 --> 0:50:18.760 have been up to no good as a result of this. 0:50:19.380 --> 0:50:23.759 So you give up what? A little bit of privacy, 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:29.260 a little bit of what? Independence, to keep the government 0:50:29.300 --> 0:50:31.020 out of our lives, and with that, a little bit 0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:34.259 more danger. I guess that's really what it's about. That's 0:50:34.300 --> 0:50:37.339 the decision that's been made. It'll be interesting to see 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.299 if over time this doesn't come back into a situation 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:46.480 where people start asking for the cameras back because there's 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.800 been an uptick in certain types of crime or them 0:50:50.500 --> 0:50:55.810 not being caught, apprehended as quickly or as easily because 0:50:55.830 --> 0:50:58.130 they're not being able to say, okay, well, this happened 0:50:58.150 --> 0:51:00.910 on Montgomery Road. They ended up here. They were on 0:51:00.969 --> 0:51:04.080 Red Bank. All of a sudden, they're downtown. they're here, 0:51:04.219 --> 0:51:09.160 and then you can send police to go get them. 513-749-7800, 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.660 the big one, your chance to get interactive now. I 0:51:11.660 --> 0:51:13.600 want to know what you think. If you're on the 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.759 iHeartRadio app, you can talk back, click the microphone, leave 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.740 a message there. And I'm also on X, and no, 0:51:18.780 --> 0:51:21.610 I don't mean the 90s party drug. Well, maybe in 0:51:21.630 --> 0:51:25.009 the 90s. At Sterling Radio on what was Twitter, your 0:51:25.030 --> 0:51:26.930 chance to speak your mind there as well. Is Nikki 0:51:26.969 --> 0:51:30.290 still there? She's been holding forever. And we were talking 0:51:30.350 --> 0:51:34.819 about the earlier, the death row situation in Tennessee where 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:38.420 they had an inability to actually carry out an execution, 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.860 which may as well. I mean, if you're there is 0:51:41.900 --> 0:51:44.340 a way to solve the problem. Let the criminals kill 0:51:44.380 --> 0:51:45.259 those on death row. 0:51:47.580 --> 0:51:47.819 Right. 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:50.029 I mean, it's thinning of their own hurt. And then 0:51:50.070 --> 0:51:50.830 maybe that would work. 0:51:51.030 --> 0:51:51.410 I don't know. 0:51:51.489 --> 0:51:53.489 There's a lot of questions about a lot going on. 0:51:53.950 --> 0:51:56.990 And tomorrow we go with Nicky. I appreciate your patience 0:51:57.050 --> 0:51:59.570 and holding on a Sterling show here on a Friday 0:51:59.610 --> 0:52:02.720 on the big one. How are you, Nicky? I'm good. 0:52:02.800 --> 0:52:03.360 How are you? 0:52:03.420 --> 0:52:05.200 I'm all right. What do you have? What's on your mind? 0:52:06.620 --> 0:52:11.250 I just feel that she should walk, honestly. 0:52:11.810 --> 0:52:14.690 Well, I don't think she can anymore. If you're talking 0:52:14.750 --> 0:52:16.870 about Krista Pike, you mean the woman who they tried 0:52:16.890 --> 0:52:17.770 to execute and didn't? 0:52:19.090 --> 0:52:19.910 Yes. Right. 0:52:20.030 --> 0:52:21.529 So you think they should let her go because they 0:52:21.570 --> 0:52:22.350 couldn't kill her, you mean? 0:52:23.630 --> 0:52:28.669 Yes, because I feel like she's suffered enough. I'm not 0:52:28.730 --> 0:52:32.780 trying to sound mean. I do believe that You know, 0:52:32.860 --> 0:52:37.240 like everyone should go to jail if they. 0:52:37.060 --> 0:52:40.740 Do wrong and, you know, all of that. 0:52:40.900 --> 0:52:43.880 But it's just like they try to kill her and 0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:45.259 she is not. 0:52:45.620 --> 0:52:46.939 Killed, you know? 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:47.460 Right. 0:52:47.620 --> 0:52:48.000 So. 0:52:48.020 --> 0:52:49.779 So wait a minute. So if it had only if 0:52:49.820 --> 0:52:53.759 they tried once and they couldn't knock her out and 0:52:53.810 --> 0:52:58.250 take her out. In this execution attempt. So do you say, okay, well, 0:52:58.290 --> 0:53:00.210 after the first failure, you let them out? Or do 0:53:00.230 --> 0:53:02.149 you say, hey, let's try it again? Or when they're 0:53:02.430 --> 0:53:04.940 not quite right in the head and have suffered severe damage, 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.120 then you go, okay, good luck to you. Or when 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:08.200 do you say, okay? 0:53:09.940 --> 0:53:10.680 I don't know. 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:14.960 I'm just, I just feel like that. I thought they 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:16.020 said they tried twice. 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:16.820 Yeah, they did. 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:17.300 Yeah. 0:53:17.900 --> 0:53:18.180 Yeah. 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:23.110 So they tried twice. And she still didn't die. 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:23.680 Okay. 0:53:23.820 --> 0:53:26.859 And she can't walk, I guess. I don't know any 0:53:26.940 --> 0:53:28.200 background about all this. 0:53:28.540 --> 0:53:29.320 Okay. 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:32.359 You just, just the general idea. So, I mean, here's 0:53:32.380 --> 0:53:35.180 the thing is she killed somebody, she was sentenced to death, right? 0:53:35.820 --> 0:53:38.080 And then they went to execute her and it didn't work. 0:53:38.140 --> 0:53:40.719 They tried once, they juiced her again, and apparently they 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:44.310 didn't have the needle in her arm properly as it's 0:53:44.350 --> 0:53:46.890 been described. And this is, we don't know the facts 0:53:46.950 --> 0:53:49.489 fully yet, but that's what they reported. And instead of 0:53:49.530 --> 0:53:51.070 getting the ID, what they're. 0:53:50.890 --> 0:53:55.290 Going to report anyways, because they don't they don't ever 0:53:55.350 --> 0:53:57.530 want to admit any wrongs that we do. 0:53:57.710 --> 0:53:58.850 Well, they not wait. 0:53:58.870 --> 0:53:59.230 Hold on, though. 0:53:59.250 --> 0:54:01.359 But they did. They did admit one. They tried once. 0:54:01.420 --> 0:54:03.259 It didn't work. They tried again. It didn't work. So 0:54:03.280 --> 0:54:06.799 they've admitted it. They can't hide it. I mean, you know, 0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:09.880 she's she's like in an ICU or some type of 0:54:09.920 --> 0:54:13.300 medical facility now in the hospital and wait. So what happened? 0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:15.980 What do you do with her? Now, do you give 0:54:16.020 --> 0:54:18.480 her back to her family or what? I mean, I'm 0:54:18.500 --> 0:54:20.000 not trying to I'm not trying to argue with you. 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.299 I'm just asking. So what if it had been your 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:25.560 family member that had been killed, God forbid, by someone 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:32.569 and tortured, abused, killed and abused? But would you understand? 0:54:32.780 --> 0:54:34.969 So would you say then that that person after they 0:54:34.989 --> 0:54:38.450 tried to execute them, if they were culpable, responsible, convicted, 0:54:38.550 --> 0:54:40.950 sentenced to execution for the death of a loved one 0:54:41.010 --> 0:54:43.330 or friend or somebody else that, OK, well. 0:54:44.100 --> 0:54:48.470 Did you hear about our other two partners? I looked 0:54:48.550 --> 0:54:52.969 on the news right before I called and I only 0:54:53.010 --> 0:54:58.180 looked quickly and it said the other one got probation 0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:00.339 and then the other one got 30 years. 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:07.120 Listen, whether she got life or the other got an 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:10.489 execution or the other one got five years is irrelevant. 0:55:10.690 --> 0:55:16.810 Her case, her conviction, her execution, they failed to execute effectively. 0:55:17.150 --> 0:55:17.910 I grasp that. 0:55:18.010 --> 0:55:18.989 It is cruel. 0:55:19.130 --> 0:55:21.520 It is insane. I don't know how the hell you 0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:23.760 can't finish the job. It's a simple thing. 0:55:24.420 --> 0:55:24.900 Clearly. 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:28.239 Right. Like the other guy said, they could have gave her... 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.900 heroin or something, and I'm not trying to be mean. 0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:35.080 My sister died of an overdose. 0:55:35.260 --> 0:55:39.529 I'm terribly sorry. That's a horrific thing. My God, that's awful. 0:55:40.650 --> 0:55:44.950 So I'm just saying, I understand all this. I want. 0:55:47.750 --> 0:55:48.430 True life. 0:55:48.570 --> 0:55:49.330 I want. 0:55:50.610 --> 0:55:56.439 Pro-life. I'm a Republican, but after we tried to kill her... 0:55:57.590 --> 0:56:00.820 And she didn't go. What are we supposed to do now? 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:03.120 Well, I think that's what everybody's trying to figure out. 0:56:03.160 --> 0:56:05.420 Do you just give her life if she's brain dead 0:56:05.540 --> 0:56:08.640 and slobbering on herself and, you know, and now like 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.379 unable to even do the most basics of things now? 0:56:11.420 --> 0:56:13.380 I mean, is that cruel and unusual? I mean, it's tough, Nikki. 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.719 I appreciate the call and you're holding on for so long. 0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:19.610 It is an impossible situation. It is so hard to 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.969 process and grasp the circumstance. 0:56:22.770 --> 0:56:23.009 Right. 0:56:23.030 --> 0:56:26.980 I mean, it's crazy. At this point, apparently still in 0:56:27.020 --> 0:56:32.100 critical condition. Her lawyers, which Nikki was alluding to the 0:56:32.180 --> 0:56:34.680 idea of letting her go, they're hoping that they commute 0:56:34.719 --> 0:56:38.330 and they're asking for a commution of the sentence. A commutation, 0:56:38.370 --> 0:56:40.210 I believe, is the correct term. I'm no lawyer. I 0:56:40.210 --> 0:56:42.770 don't want to play one on the radio. Too much 0:56:42.810 --> 0:56:44.090 school left to go back to do it and I'm 0:56:44.130 --> 0:56:48.210 too old. So the commutation of the sentence is what 0:56:48.230 --> 0:56:52.169 they're hoping for. They halted the executions for the rest 0:56:52.210 --> 0:56:55.590 of this year. And they've called in an outside source, 0:56:55.630 --> 0:56:57.770 I guess, who's an expert on killing people. I don't 0:56:57.790 --> 0:57:00.290 know how that works, but they've got a third party 0:57:00.330 --> 0:57:03.350 to review the systems and the processes in apparently this 0:57:03.410 --> 0:57:08.680 particular case. And this was after a 1995 torture and 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.300 killing of a woman by the name of Colleen Slemmer. 0:57:11.739 --> 0:57:15.340 She was 30 years ago and she was sentenced to 0:57:15.420 --> 0:57:18.000 death 30 years ago. It took 30 years to get 0:57:18.020 --> 0:57:19.760 to this point. Then they couldn't even kill her right. 0:57:20.740 --> 0:57:23.340 And of course, across the country, across the world, people 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:26.480 talking about this or mental health issue and so on. 0:57:26.820 --> 0:57:29.060 But what do you do? How do you do it? 0:57:30.220 --> 0:57:32.320 I mean, seriously, in 30 seconds, do I have time 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:37.570 to let's do this. Let's take a break. We have 0:57:37.590 --> 0:57:41.410 your 1030 report. We got Randy and Sam and others 0:57:41.750 --> 0:57:43.850 on the line. We'll take a break. We'll get an 0:57:43.890 --> 0:57:46.910 update on news. We'll come back. We'll rip through the calls. 0:57:46.950 --> 0:57:49.410 We have lots of other stuff to get to. Kevin 0:57:49.450 --> 0:57:53.030 Carr later talking the new Digger movie. We will also 0:57:53.090 --> 0:57:57.200 talk to Mike D. Wall from Space.com about the International 0:57:57.260 --> 0:58:00.660 Space Station and SpaceX just docking and dropping off some 0:58:00.700 --> 0:58:04.040 new astronauts up there to do some work way, way 0:58:04.740 --> 0:58:07.670 off our place. Not really in deep space, but they're 0:58:07.750 --> 0:58:10.020 way out there as far as I'm concerned. Lots of 0:58:10.060 --> 0:58:13.080 stuff to do. We're glad you're here. It's a Friday 0:58:13.140 --> 0:58:16.120 night sterling, and we're hanging out on the home of 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:18.540 the best Bengals coverage with the Jags in town come 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:21.700 Sunday and the Bearcats on the road at Arizona tomorrow 0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:25.550 night right here. Bearcats play here. Bengals play here. Reds 0:58:25.570 --> 0:58:29.870 when they get back at it. It's NewsRadio 700 WLW Cincinnati. 0:58:31.600 --> 0:58:31.980 I know. 0:58:32.100 --> 0:58:35.040 I am used to talking about Regs. We will again. 0:58:35.060 --> 0:58:37.860 I heard Lance earlier do it, and then he was 0:58:38.340 --> 0:58:39.840 stroking out. And then he's like, I don't even know 0:58:39.860 --> 0:58:41.550 why I brought it up. I was driving in going, 0:58:41.590 --> 0:58:44.270 why are you hurting yourself? You're hurting me too. But 0:58:44.290 --> 0:58:47.530 then he played that awesome Nuxie thing from back in 0:58:47.550 --> 0:58:49.290 the day too, which was awesome. And if you didn't 0:58:49.310 --> 0:58:52.290 get a chance to hear it, don't do it now. Later, 0:58:52.310 --> 0:58:54.630 check out the podcast. And then you'll be able to 0:58:54.670 --> 0:58:56.850 hear it, too. It's a beautiful thing. Russ Jackson, keep 0:58:56.870 --> 0:59:00.960 me online and in time. Lee Mallon's got news. And 0:59:01.180 --> 0:59:05.570 we got, let's see, Mike D. Wall from Space.com coming 0:59:05.640 --> 0:59:08.590 up after the 11 o'clock report. Going to talk about 0:59:08.610 --> 0:59:11.490 the International Space Station. they uh just uh i was 0:59:11.510 --> 0:59:13.709 going to say jetted but they i mean they kind 0:59:13.770 --> 0:59:17.200 of did but the just the spacex rocket got up 0:59:17.220 --> 0:59:19.300 there and then hooked up to the space station and 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:21.000 a whole new cruise up there so we'll talk to 0:59:21.060 --> 0:59:23.770 mike about all that and Kevin Carr also with his 0:59:23.810 --> 0:59:26.680 new Digger movie, and maybe a little horror speak. It's October. 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:27.520 Horror. 0:59:28.060 --> 0:59:33.560 H-O-R-R-O-R. I'm trying to enunciate more clearly. I said horror, 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:39.140 like Rocky Horror, not another word that sounded a little 0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:42.630 too much like. You know what's horrific, though, is the 0:59:42.690 --> 0:59:48.590 story of– Rush Jackson's the best, yes. Krista Pike's conviction 0:59:49.450 --> 0:59:53.050 in this trial, in the sentencing for the murder, the abuse, 0:59:53.470 --> 0:59:59.160 the arguable torture, the butchering of this woman. It took 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:04.820 30 years from prosecution to execution, 31 years since the 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:07.580 whole thing began. She was 20 years old when it happened. 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:10.940 And I understand. I had a couple of people message 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:15.380 saying that people are acting like somehow Krista Gail Pike, 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:18.410 50-year-old woman in Tennessee right now getting medical care in 1:00:18.490 --> 1:00:21.310 some fashion because they tried to execute her not just once, 1:00:22.950 --> 1:00:27.010 but twice and couldn't get it done. And people saying, well, 1:00:27.030 --> 1:00:29.890 maybe she should be let go or whatever else. I 1:00:29.890 --> 1:00:32.830 don't know what condition she'd be in to be let go. 1:00:33.150 --> 1:00:35.210 And I don't know why it took 30 years if 1:00:35.250 --> 1:00:38.230 you have a death penalty and someone's admitted it. And 1:00:38.750 --> 1:00:41.290 they've been convicted. And it's not a question of like 1:00:41.910 --> 1:00:46.470 wrongful conviction or some type of other malpractice of the 1:00:46.510 --> 1:00:50.200 judicial system, you know, or somebody fingered the wrong person. 1:00:50.550 --> 1:00:57.560 Here's someone who admitted it. And Tennessee couldn't get it 1:00:57.580 --> 1:01:02.480 done twice. I just don't know if we're going to 1:01:02.540 --> 1:01:05.440 have a death penalty and figure out how to kill people. 1:01:06.890 --> 1:01:10.710 It's that simple. And I had, hold on a minute, 1:01:11.130 --> 1:01:13.150 and I'll get to Nick and Bill and Randy is 1:01:13.170 --> 1:01:14.650 going to lead it off and there's room for you. 1:01:14.710 --> 1:01:16.610 Pick up the phone, give it the finger, 513-749-7800, the 1:01:16.630 --> 1:01:20.190 big one. We'll rip through the calls here in just 1:01:20.230 --> 1:01:23.030 a minute. But I just want to say this. I mean, 1:01:23.270 --> 1:01:25.870 if we have a death penalty, if we decide that 1:01:25.990 --> 1:01:29.030 it's not about, forget about the money aspect, because it's 1:01:29.090 --> 1:01:32.590 more expensive to go through the execution process just with 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:35.640 the appeals and the opportunity in that process to make 1:01:35.700 --> 1:01:39.160 sure that somebody has an opportunity to defend themselves, and 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:45.710 effectively their life, right, costs way more than just keeping 1:01:45.730 --> 1:01:48.910 them locked up for the rest of their lives. So 1:01:49.270 --> 1:01:53.750 forget about the financial aspect. I ask this, too. Is 1:01:53.790 --> 1:01:59.939 it a deterrent? Maybe the failure to complete the execution 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:03.920 could very well be a little bit more of a deterrent, 1:02:04.700 --> 1:02:08.690 but I doubt it. you know, to keep people from 1:02:08.730 --> 1:02:11.490 doing crime, because we hear that a lot. I used 1:02:11.530 --> 1:02:13.970 to think that way. I don't know that criminals now go, 1:02:13.990 --> 1:02:15.740 you know, I might get executed. They might put me 1:02:15.800 --> 1:02:19.100 on death row. Maybe I ought to get a regular job. 1:02:19.480 --> 1:02:21.660 Maybe I ought to stop this horrible life of crime 1:02:21.700 --> 1:02:24.520 of mine. Maybe I ought to reevaluate and start living 1:02:24.540 --> 1:02:27.050 the right life rather than the wrong life, because they 1:02:27.090 --> 1:02:29.310 might try to stick me and fail to execute me. 1:02:29.950 --> 1:02:32.830 I mean, that's possible, right? Or is it just a 1:02:32.870 --> 1:02:36.720 punishment issue? What is the point of it if we 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:40.070 can't do it? To Redding and Randy, Nick and others 1:02:40.230 --> 1:02:42.550 up after you on a Friday, Sterling. Randy, what do 1:02:42.570 --> 1:02:44.190 you think? Appreciate you listening to The Big One and 1:02:44.230 --> 1:02:44.810 joining the show. 1:02:46.370 --> 1:02:48.050 Hey, thanks for having me, Sterling. 1:02:48.170 --> 1:02:48.570 Yes, sir. 1:02:48.990 --> 1:02:57.460 Yeah, on this botched execution, I don't know if everybody 1:02:58.080 --> 1:03:03.280 has had access to the information of what this lady did. 1:03:04.000 --> 1:03:05.620 I happened to listen to Dan. 1:03:05.340 --> 1:03:10.140 Carroll last night, and he described what this woman had done. 1:03:10.160 --> 1:03:13.440 And if more people had known that, they'd be. 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:14.950 Like, oh, my goodness. 1:03:15.620 --> 1:03:21.510 But anyway, if it was a botched execution, which is 1:03:21.570 --> 1:03:22.640 a laugh, I mean, but. 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:29.270 And she's on life support in a hospital, then I 1:03:29.290 --> 1:03:30.689 guess she's in a coma, right? 1:03:31.290 --> 1:03:33.330 I don't know if she's in a state that they 1:03:33.370 --> 1:03:38.410 put her in or if the actual attempted executions, plural, 1:03:39.050 --> 1:03:42.280 somehow put her in a state of unconsciousness long term. 1:03:42.380 --> 1:03:45.340 I don't know all the details in that regard because 1:03:45.360 --> 1:03:48.400 I've seen conflicting reports out of Tennessee on this from 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:51.850 national media and local media. But what I can tell you, 1:03:52.050 --> 1:03:53.810 and for those who don't know, and here's the thing, 1:03:54.690 --> 1:03:58.610 whether it was something that was less heinous but still 1:03:58.950 --> 1:04:02.890 worthy of the death penalty in Tennessee or any other state, 1:04:03.170 --> 1:04:05.690 what I wonder is this, because you said something, Randy, 1:04:06.250 --> 1:04:09.220 that is very interesting. When you looked up and saw 1:04:09.260 --> 1:04:11.420 the details of what she was convicted of with these 1:04:11.460 --> 1:04:16.290 two other people, which was apparently her boyfriend, And somebody else, 1:04:17.050 --> 1:04:20.330 they lured this person, this girl, into a wooded area 1:04:20.770 --> 1:04:25.360 in Knoxville. I just lived right near there, actually, in 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.760 the 80s for a little bit. They tortured her. They 1:04:27.820 --> 1:04:31.380 used a box cutter, a meat cleaver. It's been reported 1:04:31.420 --> 1:04:33.590 that a chunk of asphalt to crack her in her 1:04:33.690 --> 1:04:38.410 skull when apparently she was not dead yet. And Pike 1:04:38.450 --> 1:04:41.860 confessed to all of it. Uh, and one person sort 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:43.700 of was the rat of the group. The other person 1:04:43.740 --> 1:04:45.910 got some time, but not, you know, with a chance 1:04:45.950 --> 1:04:48.890 of parole for life. Uh, and Pike got the, the 1:04:48.910 --> 1:04:54.470 debt penalty. So, I mean, what do you do? What 1:04:54.490 --> 1:04:55.610 do you do right now with her? 1:04:58.280 --> 1:04:59.900 Um, I don't know. 1:04:59.940 --> 1:05:02.939 Didn't we all grow up with, um, if at first 1:05:02.980 --> 1:05:03.960 you don't succeed. 1:05:04.040 --> 1:05:04.920 Try, try again. 1:05:04.940 --> 1:05:08.500 I mean, you know, yeah, yeah. Randy, I appreciate the comments. 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:14.840 Thank you. I just it's very difficult to sort of, 1:05:15.020 --> 1:05:17.880 you know, process this. And I feel dirty and sort 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:24.700 of sick, honestly. Talking about the suffering of not just 1:05:24.740 --> 1:05:28.820 the woman who was murdered, which is bad enough, but 1:05:28.860 --> 1:05:31.790 then the execution, which I don't know, is that murder 1:05:31.850 --> 1:05:33.930 or not murder? I've had people messaging me telling me 1:05:33.950 --> 1:05:36.490 they think it's effectively the same as murder or in 1:05:36.530 --> 1:05:41.110 this case, torture, they say. Or what? I mean, where 1:05:41.190 --> 1:05:44.530 is the line of what's okay? Whether it was as 1:05:44.590 --> 1:05:48.100 gruesome as I described or something else, if convicted and 1:05:48.140 --> 1:05:50.360 sentenced to death, what does it matter? If it was 1:05:50.460 --> 1:05:53.440 not quite as gruesome, would you be more willing to go, oh, 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:56.680 let her out? Or what? To Terrace Park and Nick, 1:05:56.720 --> 1:05:59.780 then Sam, and room for you. 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:00.200 513-749-7800. 1:06:00.220 --> 1:06:02.470 The big one was Sterling. Nick, what's up? How are you? 1:06:03.870 --> 1:06:04.430 I'm good, man. 1:06:04.470 --> 1:06:04.790 How are you? 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:09.000 What's that, buddy? I'm sorry, you cut out. 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:10.720 I'm sorry. 1:06:10.740 --> 1:06:12.180 I was just saying, I'm good. 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:12.640 How are you? 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:15.110 I think I'm all right. I'm still here. So, you know, 1:06:15.450 --> 1:06:17.530 I'm not on live support. I'm talking to you. I'm 1:06:17.570 --> 1:06:21.370 hanging out with Russ Jackson, you know, and everything is great, man. 1:06:22.090 --> 1:06:24.150 Thank you for asking. Tell me about this case and 1:06:24.190 --> 1:06:25.930 what you think about this circumstance. 1:06:27.130 --> 1:06:32.190 You know, I feel like the circumstance is unfortunate, but 1:06:32.210 --> 1:06:35.930 I feel like it's kind of on Tennessee from what 1:06:35.970 --> 1:06:39.350 I've read and what I've heard. Tennessee is using only 1:06:39.570 --> 1:06:44.760 one drug, pentobarbital. And, you know, some of the other 1:06:44.780 --> 1:06:50.660 states that still do executions, they're using like a cocktail 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:51.800 of like four drugs. 1:06:52.120 --> 1:06:54.080 They can't get them because some of the companies weren't 1:06:54.120 --> 1:06:56.760 willing to sell them because they did not want them 1:06:56.960 --> 1:07:00.090 used for executions rather than other purposes. 1:07:01.130 --> 1:07:01.390 Yep. 1:07:01.610 --> 1:07:01.870 Yep. 1:07:02.370 --> 1:07:06.650 But, uh, I believe like I think effective July for 1:07:06.730 --> 1:07:12.540 either June or July 1st, Idaho is now using firing 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:15.460 squad as a primary method of execution. 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:15.939 Yeah. 1:07:16.420 --> 1:07:16.620 Yeah. 1:07:17.220 --> 1:07:19.260 I mean, it used to be the difference they would 1:07:19.300 --> 1:07:22.290 have across the country. They would hang people. They would 1:07:22.310 --> 1:07:26.270 electrocute them. There would be a gassing. There would be 1:07:26.770 --> 1:07:29.390 a firing squad, as you mentioned. What else is there? 1:07:31.390 --> 1:07:33.820 I guess now this, the lethal injection, which ain't so lethal. 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:35.340 Right. 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:38.340 So, I mean, we got many options. Would you, I mean, see, 1:07:38.620 --> 1:07:40.880 what type of person would you have to be to 1:07:40.940 --> 1:07:43.480 step up to be the person to do the deed? 1:07:43.980 --> 1:07:46.290 I mean, that would be a very difficult thing to 1:07:46.510 --> 1:07:49.430 ask of someone to live with themselves. That's why they 1:07:49.470 --> 1:07:52.370 have that multiple thing where they'd be like you, me, 1:07:52.390 --> 1:07:54.970 and another guy hitting a button and not knowing which 1:07:55.110 --> 1:07:58.070 one actually was responsible for it. And that's what they 1:07:58.090 --> 1:08:00.850 have done historically in a lot of places. what do 1:08:00.890 --> 1:08:03.380 you think should happen with the death penalty? Anything open 1:08:03.390 --> 1:08:05.560 it up wider, like you mentioned with the firing squad 1:08:05.580 --> 1:08:05.900 or what? 1:08:07.100 --> 1:08:09.220 Honestly, I think open it up wider. 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:12.840 Like, you know, these criminals are not, they're not getting 1:08:12.860 --> 1:08:16.349 a slap on the wrist and you know, you, you 1:08:16.370 --> 1:08:20.470 have to earn the death penalty. Um, so it's like, 1:08:21.229 --> 1:08:23.870 I say, open it up wider, find a different method. That's, 1:08:24.260 --> 1:08:29.229 you know, at least nine out of 10 times successful. 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:33.440 That's a good number, really, nine out of 10. 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:36.640 I mean, even if it was eight, I don't know. 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:40.800 If we were king, if we were boss, if we 1:08:40.820 --> 1:08:42.580 were making the rules, we were lawmakers and we were 1:08:42.600 --> 1:08:45.090 looking at this process, and let's twist it this way, 1:08:45.100 --> 1:08:46.439 and then we'll take some more calls, and I'll ask 1:08:46.470 --> 1:08:49.610 you this, Nick, and get others' opinion too. So do 1:08:49.650 --> 1:08:52.870 we give the person to be executed the choice and 1:08:52.990 --> 1:08:57.360 method of their ending? Or do we leave that up 1:08:57.439 --> 1:09:01.460 to those who were victimized by the convicted? 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:03.940 You know, why not? 1:09:04.120 --> 1:09:05.100 Give them the choice. 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:10.929 You know, if there's five fairly successful methods, you know, 1:09:11.410 --> 1:09:12.110 give them the choice. 1:09:12.450 --> 1:09:14.750 And if they fail, do you, as I think it 1:09:14.790 --> 1:09:17.480 was Nikki who called earlier, if I'm not mistaken, And 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:19.860 she said that, you know, it's sort of like that 1:09:20.300 --> 1:09:23.360 Commodores thing, like the once, twice, three times a lady thing. 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:25.760 You know, the first time, we'll try again because it 1:09:25.780 --> 1:09:27.820 didn't quite work. And then the third time, well, do 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:28.920 you let her free or what? 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:31.439 No, absolutely not. 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:36.210 These people on death row earned their spot. And, you know, 1:09:36.330 --> 1:09:38.090 I don't think that's an option. And I will say 1:09:38.130 --> 1:09:40.470 you handled yourself pretty well with that caller because I 1:09:40.470 --> 1:09:42.310 was I was getting worked up in the car. 1:09:42.410 --> 1:09:43.570 I was like, what do you mean? 1:09:44.380 --> 1:09:46.639 Well, that used to be the method that they would 1:09:46.979 --> 1:09:50.040 operate in some cases in that they would have like 1:09:50.060 --> 1:09:52.280 the first or second attempt. And after that, they'd let 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:54.840 you go, which is true. But then, I mean, you know, 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:57.510 it's it's what happened to your next son. I mean, 1:09:57.530 --> 1:09:59.170 that's sort of like, you know, hang them high kind 1:09:59.210 --> 1:10:02.310 of scenario. And Eastwood wasn't even guilty. That was a 1:10:02.350 --> 1:10:05.150 wrongful hanging. I'm sorry, that was an obscure reference to 1:10:05.189 --> 1:10:07.849 a classic film. Sorry about that, Nick. Appreciate the call, man. 1:10:07.870 --> 1:10:11.440 Thank you. Let's get Bruce on and then Sam. What 1:10:11.479 --> 1:10:14.120 about this case in Tennessee and this Pike woman who 1:10:14.160 --> 1:10:16.960 now is in waiting for whatever comes next? 1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:19.660 Yeah, you're talking to me, Bruce? 1:10:20.260 --> 1:10:22.620 You're Bruce, I'm Sterling, and you're on the big one. Yeah, 1:10:22.640 --> 1:10:25.300 I'm talking to you. You're talking to me. I am 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:26.460 honored to talk to you. 1:10:26.479 --> 1:10:30.290 All right, then, same here. I've got two solutions to 1:10:30.310 --> 1:10:33.170 the death penalty. The first one's easy. Have all these 1:10:33.210 --> 1:10:36.290 states come to Hamlin County and buy some fentanyl and 1:10:36.330 --> 1:10:38.330 eliminate everybody on death row in one day. 1:10:39.689 --> 1:10:40.139 That could be. 1:10:40.150 --> 1:10:43.599 That's always deadly. That's always deadly. It doesn't cost much. 1:10:43.620 --> 1:10:45.840 For 50 bucks, you could kill 5,000 people. 1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:49.820 I haven't done that research, but yeah, that might be 1:10:49.860 --> 1:10:52.360 a way to do it. And that drug is readily available. 1:10:52.620 --> 1:10:55.059 And those who have it are willing to sell it. 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:59.590 You betcha. And my other solution is to, if this 1:10:59.620 --> 1:11:03.110 lady's on death row, to tissue match her. And when 1:11:03.130 --> 1:11:06.150 they've got all her organs matched, you see signs everywhere, 1:11:06.189 --> 1:11:08.269 you know, Joni needs a kidney and all this stuff. 1:11:08.390 --> 1:11:09.090 Can't do that now. 1:11:09.110 --> 1:11:11.530 Once you get her organs matched, knock her out. 1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:15.020 Once they give her the drugs, though, those, as I 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:17.780 understand it, once you put that through, I think a 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:20.600 lot of the stuff that would be able to be reused, 1:11:20.740 --> 1:11:23.300 like I have two friends, well, actually two of three 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:26.009 friends who, one has only one kidney now. One has 1:11:26.060 --> 1:11:28.170 three because they got an extra. because one of them 1:11:28.250 --> 1:11:30.910 failed and somebody else now just has two because they 1:11:30.950 --> 1:11:35.410 had a transplant. I hope it's not catchy. But that 1:11:35.450 --> 1:11:39.570 being said, apparently with the lethal injection, just like with 1:11:39.610 --> 1:11:42.839 the execution, the pieces and parts aren't available for reuse. 1:11:44.979 --> 1:11:45.820 It's not possible. 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:47.180 I'll accept that one. 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:49.720 We'll give them Fenton Hall and call it a day. 1:11:50.380 --> 1:11:52.860 Yeah, I think you may be right. So you're okay 1:11:52.900 --> 1:11:55.320 with the death penalty. What's interesting is I've had like 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:59.540 communique by electronic. that has been more against the death 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:02.500 penalty and more people going, it's okay, just get it 1:12:02.580 --> 1:12:03.960 right by phone. 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:07.860 Somebody strangled my granddaughter to death. They wouldn't have to 1:12:07.900 --> 1:12:09.900 worry about the death penalty. They'd never make it to 1:12:09.939 --> 1:12:11.060 the courthouse. 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:14.100 And that's a tough position right there to be in, right? 1:12:14.340 --> 1:12:17.580 Because you want retribution, but then you are taken from 1:12:17.620 --> 1:12:20.090 your family because you will put yourself in the same 1:12:20.150 --> 1:12:24.330 position by taking another's life, even though that retribution feels 1:12:24.370 --> 1:12:27.020 like you're doing the right thing. That ends up causing 1:12:27.040 --> 1:12:27.820 more pain, too. 1:12:29.060 --> 1:12:31.670 I'm 77. I can't wait 30 years for somebody to 1:12:31.710 --> 1:12:32.450 be executed. 1:12:32.610 --> 1:12:35.010 I just had a conversation with somebody about that the 1:12:35.050 --> 1:12:36.610 other day, and they were like, I'm old enough. I'll 1:12:36.650 --> 1:12:39.590 take the hit. And that's basically what you just said. 1:12:40.210 --> 1:12:40.630 Exactly. 1:12:41.590 --> 1:12:42.969 I'm definitely on the back nine. 1:12:42.990 --> 1:12:48.760 Well, I hope you play it well. Keep in the fairway, brother. Bruce, 1:12:48.820 --> 1:12:50.760 it was good to talk to you. I appreciate you 1:12:50.780 --> 1:12:52.040 listening and being a part of the show. I hope 1:12:52.060 --> 1:12:52.620 you'll call again. 1:12:54.390 --> 1:12:55.620 Same to you. I like listening to you. 1:12:55.630 --> 1:12:56.309 You're a good man. 1:12:56.370 --> 1:12:58.150 Thank you, Bruce. Take care of yourself, man. Thanks for 1:12:58.170 --> 1:13:00.210 the kind words, too. To Florence and Sam, it's your 1:13:00.270 --> 1:13:01.950 turn with Sterling on the big one. What do you have? 1:13:01.970 --> 1:13:03.980 Hey, Sterling. 1:13:04.060 --> 1:13:08.280 I don't see why we can't use the drug fentanyl, 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:13.780 which is so deadly, and we can get free from 1:13:13.840 --> 1:13:16.800 coming across the border. There's no cost to it. I 1:13:18.760 --> 1:13:22.179 just don't understand why we have such a problem getting 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:28.469 the correct drugs to put them... They're on death row. 1:13:28.610 --> 1:13:29.200 Right, no, I got you. 1:13:29.210 --> 1:13:31.070 They've committed a heinous crime. 1:13:31.250 --> 1:13:33.410 Yes. 1:13:33.950 --> 1:13:35.889 They shouldn't have a choice. 1:13:38.170 --> 1:13:42.269 If you've committed a crime that the courts have decided 1:13:42.850 --> 1:13:46.550 to take your life, it should happen within five years. 1:13:47.750 --> 1:13:56.710 I think Texas has, like, a high-speed... A high-speed lane 1:13:56.750 --> 1:13:59.759 for death row people, I mean, within five years, you're gone. 1:13:59.780 --> 1:14:02.140 Yeah, I think they had to. Florida used to be 1:14:02.180 --> 1:14:04.400 pretty quick with it, too, once they got that up 1:14:04.460 --> 1:14:08.090 and running again. I think once you've exercised– if you've 1:14:08.130 --> 1:14:11.950 exercised your opportunity to have appeal and if you have 1:14:11.970 --> 1:14:14.950 been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt– I've had the 1:14:14.979 --> 1:14:17.650 Innocent Project people on before. And when I lived in– 1:14:17.820 --> 1:14:20.099 I left here and went to work in Louisiana for 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.640 a while, and there's a place called Angola. I don't 1:14:22.680 --> 1:14:24.500 know if it's still open, but it was in the 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:26.350 news a lot at the time. And at that point, 1:14:26.430 --> 1:14:28.610 New Orleans was like the murder capital of the country 1:14:28.670 --> 1:14:31.970 per capita. So I kept getting calls from everybody up 1:14:32.010 --> 1:14:33.210 here going, are you all right? You need to come 1:14:33.250 --> 1:14:35.910 back home to Ohio. You're going to Cincinnati. Come to Dayton. 1:14:35.930 --> 1:14:38.570 You're going to die. I survived. I had never had 1:14:38.610 --> 1:14:41.150 a problem down there. However, there was a guy in 1:14:41.550 --> 1:14:43.970 Angola who had been sentenced and had been there for 1:14:44.010 --> 1:14:46.479 like decades, and they found he was innocent. And it 1:14:46.490 --> 1:14:48.700 was a big deal. At one point, it was going 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:51.580 to be some type of execution. in this somehow that 1:14:51.620 --> 1:14:54.059 got sidelined and then when they found that he had 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:56.730 wrong been wrongfully convicted the only way they'd let him 1:14:56.950 --> 1:14:59.610 out this poor guy is to say that he couldn't 1:14:59.670 --> 1:15:04.370 sue them which was bewildering to me and so he 1:15:04.410 --> 1:15:06.710 had to sign that agreement to be able to to 1:15:06.770 --> 1:15:09.940 be free so if you're in that situation it could 1:15:09.979 --> 1:15:11.979 happen and what the way it's been argued to me 1:15:12.060 --> 1:15:15.740 which is really where I become stomped and not sure 1:15:15.780 --> 1:15:18.980 how to think about it is when the idea is 1:15:19.040 --> 1:15:22.340 that what happens If you're poor and you got a 1:15:22.420 --> 1:15:27.629 bad public defender and just because of circumstantial evidence or otherwise, 1:15:27.670 --> 1:15:32.070 you're wrongfully convicted and you end up getting the hangman's 1:15:32.130 --> 1:15:36.010 noose or that executioner's bullet or that lethal injection that 1:15:36.050 --> 1:15:40.570 doesn't go wrong. And then you're the innocent that is killed. 1:15:42.150 --> 1:15:44.849 I mean, imagine that weight on someone if you find 1:15:44.890 --> 1:15:48.030 that out and think about putting someone who's not actually 1:15:48.110 --> 1:15:49.530 responsible for said crime. 1:15:50.200 --> 1:15:58.040 But is that the, I'm at a loss for the words, 1:15:58.180 --> 1:15:59.500 but is that the norm? 1:15:59.960 --> 1:16:02.500 Well, it isn't. Hopefully. 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:03.839 That's the one in a hundred. 1:16:04.040 --> 1:16:07.160 Maybe, but is it worth that one for the 99 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:10.610 that deserved it? Because my guess is if you're the 1:16:10.670 --> 1:16:14.210 poor bastard who's in that situation. 1:16:14.550 --> 1:16:16.990 If you're the one in 100, yeah, it would make 1:16:17.010 --> 1:16:17.769 a huge difference. 1:16:18.050 --> 1:16:19.870 And then you have to ask yourself, is the state 1:16:19.930 --> 1:16:23.130 of Tennessee or Ohio or the United States government in 1:16:23.170 --> 1:16:25.809 a situation where we can look up and stand proud 1:16:26.430 --> 1:16:30.400 about being, you know, the country of countries, if you will, 1:16:31.070 --> 1:16:33.620 to say that we're OK with eliminating the life of 1:16:33.780 --> 1:16:36.670 a few innocents to get the bad? when we could 1:16:36.689 --> 1:16:38.890 just house them for the rest of their lives? Because 1:16:38.910 --> 1:16:40.990 that's effectively, I don't think I was as articulate as 1:16:41.030 --> 1:16:43.720 it was presented to me in the past in conversations, 1:16:44.150 --> 1:16:46.990 but that then makes me think, and it hits me 1:16:47.020 --> 1:16:49.439 in a different place as I start to rationalize and 1:16:49.460 --> 1:16:50.840 make sense of this circumstance. 1:16:52.180 --> 1:16:57.020 Yeah, but how long does the normal person on death 1:16:57.100 --> 1:17:03.450 row spend on death row while they exhaust their appeals. 1:17:03.470 --> 1:17:05.730 Isn't it like 20 to 25 years? 1:17:05.890 --> 1:17:08.150 And that's why it's more expensive to go through that 1:17:08.210 --> 1:17:11.010 process to even get to the execution than just to say, hey, 1:17:11.050 --> 1:17:12.750 you're never going to see the light of day again. 1:17:12.810 --> 1:17:13.769 Enjoy your cell. 1:17:15.110 --> 1:17:17.719 Just bury them under the jail. 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:20.120 Just stack them. 1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:22.580 Up with so many charges and so much. 1:17:23.510 --> 1:17:27.010 That they'll never see the light of day problems. 1:17:27.070 --> 1:17:29.769 See, and you just went from one side to the other, 1:17:29.850 --> 1:17:32.389 which is where I am navigating, because part of me goes, 1:17:32.689 --> 1:17:35.650 you know what? I'm not like a killer, right? But 1:17:35.670 --> 1:17:38.730 I know how to defend myself, and I've taken some 1:17:38.770 --> 1:17:42.030 training on firearms, and I can tell you that I 1:17:42.070 --> 1:17:44.110 want to hit body mass, and I can hit somebody 1:17:44.150 --> 1:17:46.930 from a distance, or at least on paper, three in 1:17:46.950 --> 1:17:50.020 the body. So if I can do it, they should 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:52.180 be able to find somebody who's a pro to do 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:54.599 it to those who have been sentenced to death. 1:17:56.040 --> 1:18:03.200 Why can't they set up nine firearms with laser sights, 1:18:04.520 --> 1:18:09.479 dial right in on the horns, nine people push the button, 1:18:10.970 --> 1:18:12.150 No one knows who did it. 1:18:12.270 --> 1:18:12.450 Right. 1:18:12.510 --> 1:18:14.970 And that's what they've done historically with three. And then 1:18:15.010 --> 1:18:17.570 you don't know. It was great call. I appreciate talking 1:18:17.590 --> 1:18:18.309 to you. 1:18:18.830 --> 1:18:21.350 Why can't you do it with nine and just be 1:18:21.390 --> 1:18:21.930 done with it? 1:18:21.950 --> 1:18:23.750 Well, that may be. We'll see how it goes. We're 1:18:23.770 --> 1:18:26.150 short on time. I appreciate the call. Ken, you've been 1:18:26.170 --> 1:18:28.349 holding on for like a while. You got about 45 1:18:28.350 --> 1:18:29.170 seconds to a minute. 1:18:29.390 --> 1:18:29.630 Go. 1:18:29.729 --> 1:18:31.070 I hate to do that to you, but I'd rather 1:18:31.110 --> 1:18:33.270 get you on than rather than have you sit through longer. 1:18:35.250 --> 1:18:35.550 Hey, brother. 1:18:35.590 --> 1:18:36.310 How are you doing? 1:18:36.410 --> 1:18:38.600 I'm all right, man. Just, you know, hanging out, talking 1:18:38.610 --> 1:18:39.230 to you. Life's good. 1:18:39.229 --> 1:18:40.850 Hey, that is good. 1:18:40.850 --> 1:18:43.820 Hey, I'm not on death row, though. 1:18:43.820 --> 1:18:46.100 So that's even better. Even better. 1:18:46.240 --> 1:18:46.519 Right. 1:18:48.260 --> 1:18:51.460 So what about, you know, I don't, I don't, I've, 1:18:51.600 --> 1:18:57.000 I've heard that this, this person who, uh, had a botched, uh, 1:18:58.439 --> 1:19:00.220 death sentence. 1:18:59.820 --> 1:19:00.660 Or whatever it was. 1:19:01.380 --> 1:19:03.680 Um, and she's not the first for the year. 1:19:03.780 --> 1:19:04.059 Right. 1:19:04.280 --> 1:19:07.530 I mean, there, there's been other botched death. 1:19:08.610 --> 1:19:11.809 Uh, I will take a look and make sure that 1:19:11.830 --> 1:19:16.010 I speak correctly about botched 2026 executions. I'll have to 1:19:16.050 --> 1:19:16.610 take a look. 1:19:17.550 --> 1:19:21.030 Apparently there, and I don't know, I don't have the 1:19:21.410 --> 1:19:24.269 details on this, there's a doctor who was assigned to this, 1:19:24.890 --> 1:19:28.309 and he was assigned to another one previously, and the 1:19:28.350 --> 1:19:33.980 same type of thing happened. So apparently it's harder to 1:19:34.020 --> 1:19:36.320 kill somebody than you think. 1:19:36.640 --> 1:19:39.840 Yeah, unless you're the person who's been sentenced to death 1:19:39.880 --> 1:19:42.889 and apparently it was pretty damn easy unfortunately too easy 1:19:42.910 --> 1:19:45.830 ken i appreciate the call second in tennessee this year 1:19:46.590 --> 1:19:52.229 thank you russ so uh yeah twice so they failed 1:19:52.260 --> 1:19:55.520 with her twice and failed with another and then they 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:57.900 got it right i guess right so that's how that 1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:01.300 goes that uh that's not a good average really when 1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:03.760 you think about it maybe they need to have training, 1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:06.820 continuing education or something along those lines. You know, the 1:20:06.840 --> 1:20:08.990 thing is, though, it's not as easy as we make 1:20:09.030 --> 1:20:10.950 it sound. And it's easy for me to sit here 1:20:10.970 --> 1:20:13.370 behind a microphone or somebody else to kill, kill, kill. 1:20:13.830 --> 1:20:16.090 But imagine, you know, everyone else involved in this. It's 1:20:16.110 --> 1:20:19.800 just a horrible tragedy. And where's the justice for the 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:20.240 dead girl? 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:21.580 Really? 1:20:21.860 --> 1:20:24.600 Seriously. The news straight away. Lee Mowen has your 11 1:20:24.600 --> 1:20:27.309 o'clock report. Mike Wall joins me from Space.com. On the 1:20:27.350 --> 1:20:31.490 other side, we'll talk International Space Station, Spacemen, NASA, and more, 1:20:31.550 --> 1:20:35.670 plus Kevin Carr. Hang out. Best Bengals coverage. Bearcats play here. 1:20:35.830 --> 1:20:42.130 Bengals do, too. 700 WLW Cincinnati. Mike D. Wall, Space.com. 1:20:43.660 --> 1:20:46.550 He knows a thing or two about space and technology. 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:49.570 He's an Ohio guy out west. And I appreciate him 1:20:49.590 --> 1:20:51.929 making time to join us again. It's been a while. 1:20:51.950 --> 1:20:56.630 I was thinking about this because the ISS, the International 1:20:56.689 --> 1:20:59.830 Space Station, has a new crew of astronauts that were 1:20:59.850 --> 1:21:04.000 brought there aboard a SpaceX rocket. And I saw one 1:21:04.040 --> 1:21:07.430 of the most amazing statistics ever. And I need you 1:21:07.450 --> 1:21:12.710 to confirm or deny this. Did this rocket and these 1:21:12.950 --> 1:21:16.729 astronauts leave Earth? I would say lifting off or taking 1:21:16.850 --> 1:21:19.220 off the way I would depart CBG to, say, head 1:21:19.229 --> 1:21:22.340 to Vegas or somewhere else like San Francisco, the Bay 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:25.990 Area where you are, whatever. but it'd take about five hours, 1:21:26.050 --> 1:21:27.769 five and a half to fly from here to like 1:21:27.790 --> 1:21:29.890 where you are. Uh, it would take a couple of 1:21:29.930 --> 1:21:32.090 days to drive from here to Vegas and another day, 1:21:32.170 --> 1:21:35.710 probably from Vegas to where you are yet eight hours 1:21:35.830 --> 1:21:38.990 to get from liftoff to the space station. Is that accurate? 1:21:40.590 --> 1:21:41.190 Yeah. Yeah. 1:21:41.250 --> 1:21:43.490 It took them like a little less than that, actually 1:21:43.530 --> 1:21:46.740 seven hours, 55 minutes, which is the fastest that an 1:21:46.780 --> 1:21:49.720 American spacecraft has ever made it to the ISS, but 1:21:49.740 --> 1:21:53.200 it's not the actual fastest, like the actual fastest, like 1:21:53.220 --> 1:21:56.849 the like world record is, um, There was a Russian 1:21:56.930 --> 1:21:59.150 Soyuz spacecraft that got there in like three hours and 1:21:59.189 --> 1:21:59.710 three minutes. 1:22:00.010 --> 1:22:00.410 How? 1:22:00.689 --> 1:22:01.129 How? 1:22:01.150 --> 1:22:03.630 That's even crazier. Yeah, it's just quick. 1:22:03.650 --> 1:22:08.429 I mean, they just timed it. Like in that case, 1:22:08.450 --> 1:22:10.210 you know, I mean, when you launch to orbit to 1:22:10.250 --> 1:22:12.970 meet up with the space station, you're basically chasing it 1:22:13.030 --> 1:22:14.330 down and it's all this. 1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:16.560 All these very smart people. 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:19.640 With math figuring out on which orbit to catch the 1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:24.900 space station. And yeah, this Russian mission back in 2020 1:22:24.900 --> 1:22:26.170 caught it after only two. 1:22:26.070 --> 1:22:26.889 Orbits of Earth. 1:22:26.990 --> 1:22:31.450 Up there at that altitude, 250 miles, you complete one 1:22:31.470 --> 1:22:33.750 orbit of Earth every 90 minutes or so. 1:22:33.930 --> 1:22:35.490 So catching it in three hours means nothing. 1:22:36.180 --> 1:22:38.120 Like you basically chased it down after two orbits of 1:22:38.140 --> 1:22:40.479 the earth, which is all of it's pretty incredible. These 1:22:40.510 --> 1:22:43.090 people are just so smart and they've just figured it 1:22:43.130 --> 1:22:43.530 all out. 1:22:43.610 --> 1:22:46.010 And yeah, I don't know how they do it personally, 1:22:46.030 --> 1:22:47.309 but it's, it's very impressive. 1:22:47.470 --> 1:22:50.189 Just thinking about it makes my head hurt. I mean, 1:22:50.229 --> 1:22:53.179 just trying to process it. I think I've waited damn 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:55.780 near that long for food at a restaurant before and 1:22:55.820 --> 1:23:01.050 then left. And I mean, seriously, um, Yeah, yeah. What 1:23:01.110 --> 1:23:05.140 is the deal with this particular crew? Because the last time, 1:23:05.180 --> 1:23:07.410 of course, as we know, there was a lot of 1:23:07.450 --> 1:23:10.240 news associated with the crew that was stuck there. Then 1:23:10.260 --> 1:23:11.860 they got them out of there. There was a medical 1:23:11.900 --> 1:23:15.140 thing at some point, right? Or something like that. And 1:23:15.160 --> 1:23:19.000 now this 13, number 13, they say unlucky since Apollo, 1:23:19.080 --> 1:23:21.939 but here it is back again. What does this group 1:23:22.100 --> 1:23:23.280 have on their agenda? 1:23:24.640 --> 1:23:29.040 Yeah, this is just like a standard mission, basically. 1:23:29.080 --> 1:23:30.759 There will hopefully not be any drama. 1:23:30.860 --> 1:23:32.920 And there has been a little bit of drama with 1:23:33.200 --> 1:23:38.320 some of the recent ones. Like you were mentioning, this 1:23:38.390 --> 1:23:42.210 is called Crew 13 because it's like the 13th contracted 1:23:42.950 --> 1:23:44.970 flight that SpaceX has done to the space station for 1:23:45.010 --> 1:23:48.820 NASA with astronauts on board. Two flights ago, Crew 11, 1:23:48.820 --> 1:23:51.340 they had to come home about a month early because 1:23:51.380 --> 1:23:54.660 a NASA astronaut on that mission had a medical issue. 1:23:54.680 --> 1:23:56.179 And it was. 1:23:56.100 --> 1:23:58.640 Not life-threatening or anything, but they wanted to get them 1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:01.060 back down to Earth and check it out with all 1:24:01.080 --> 1:24:02.280 the equipment that we have down here. 1:24:02.360 --> 1:24:04.440 So that left a month early. 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:06.939 And so Crew 12, which was the next one, launched 1:24:07.010 --> 1:24:09.870 in February, and they were up there. They've been up 1:24:09.890 --> 1:24:12.690 there since February, so that's a little longer than usual. 1:24:13.370 --> 1:24:16.750 It's usually like a six-month stint. So There's been a 1:24:16.770 --> 1:24:18.610 little drama with some of the recent ones, but yeah, 1:24:18.630 --> 1:24:20.450 hopefully this will be a standard, you know, stay up 1:24:20.490 --> 1:24:23.210 there for six months, do maintenance work on. 1:24:23.189 --> 1:24:25.820 The space station, do some spacewalks. 1:24:25.080 --> 1:24:27.200 To fix stuff or kind of put on some new 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:29.500 solar arrays, that sort of thing, and do a bunch 1:24:29.520 --> 1:24:34.620 of scientific experiments, you know, figure out what microgravity does 1:24:34.720 --> 1:24:38.470 to various parts of the body, stem cells, how plants grow, 1:24:38.490 --> 1:24:39.830 all that sort of stuff. 1:24:39.830 --> 1:24:40.610 That they regularly do. 1:24:41.729 --> 1:24:43.790 Talking to Mike D. Wall, by the way, a spaceflight 1:24:43.810 --> 1:24:49.230 tech editor, Space.com, about the 13th crew of astronauts in 1:24:49.270 --> 1:24:52.450 the International Space Station just taking over there. I'm still 1:24:52.490 --> 1:24:54.630 trying to process three to four hours that the Russians did. 1:24:55.010 --> 1:24:59.900 Eight seems inconceivably just impossible to me. This makes me 1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:05.700 feel a little bit more– falling in line to believing 1:25:05.760 --> 1:25:08.640 this could be a regular thing, maybe not for my 1:25:08.660 --> 1:25:11.839 or your generation, but maybe the next generation to almost 1:25:11.900 --> 1:25:15.180 be going up and out there like we do to 1:25:15.220 --> 1:25:18.000 fly across the country to see a game, friends or family. 1:25:19.280 --> 1:25:22.810 Yeah, well, that's sort of what people who care about 1:25:22.830 --> 1:25:24.830 spaceflight and want us to have a bigger presence up 1:25:24.870 --> 1:25:26.950 there and all that are hoping for, that it becomes 1:25:27.010 --> 1:25:32.360 more routine. And that's what SpaceX is hoping to do 1:25:32.420 --> 1:25:35.080 with Starship, which we've talked about before. And that's another 1:25:35.120 --> 1:25:38.240 thing that actually happened recently. They flew the 14th test 1:25:38.280 --> 1:25:41.260 flight of Starship, that 400-foot-tall rocket. 1:25:41.140 --> 1:25:44.000 That they wanted to use to get people to the 1:25:44.040 --> 1:25:46.740 moon and to Mars. And it was a big deal. 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:48.639 That flight was on Monday, and that was the first 1:25:48.700 --> 1:25:50.979 time that it went to orbit. And it actually deployed 1:25:51.000 --> 1:25:53.560 satellites into orbit that are still up there doing stuff. 1:25:53.820 --> 1:25:57.980 It deployed 26 Starlink satellites. If Starship works out the 1:25:58.000 --> 1:26:01.059 way Elon Musk wants it to, and we're not. 1:26:00.979 --> 1:26:02.979 Sure what's going to happen, it's still in the test. 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:05.620 Flight phase, but he's saying that they want to launch 1:26:05.660 --> 1:26:09.030 it like 10,000 times a year or something kind of 1:26:09.050 --> 1:26:12.890 crazy like that and just launch tons of flights and 1:26:14.150 --> 1:26:17.429 just basically have this huge presence in low Earth orbit 1:26:17.490 --> 1:26:20.970 and get people living in space stations up there, multiple 1:26:20.990 --> 1:26:23.839 space stations and moon bases and Mars bases and all 1:26:23.880 --> 1:26:27.040 that stuff. That's like That's the long-term future and use 1:26:27.080 --> 1:26:30.260 this thing to like fly around from one spot to 1:26:30.300 --> 1:26:31.060 another on earth. 1:26:31.140 --> 1:26:33.309 It can get anywhere around earth in like an hour. 1:26:33.060 --> 1:26:35.230 Or 90 minutes or something like that. So that's, that's 1:26:35.250 --> 1:26:36.450 like part of the dream too. 1:26:36.570 --> 1:26:36.769 Yeah. 1:26:36.830 --> 1:26:37.850 Yeah. Tremendous. 1:26:38.170 --> 1:26:41.150 So how far away, when you say near future, long-term, 1:26:41.470 --> 1:26:43.470 are you talking stuff that we could do or are 1:26:43.510 --> 1:26:46.370 you talking about like stuff, your kids and any future 1:26:46.490 --> 1:26:47.330 ups that I might have? 1:26:48.500 --> 1:26:52.140 Well, if Starship works, then we could just be a 1:26:52.200 --> 1:26:55.020 few years from some of this stuff. Actually, NASA contracted 1:26:55.060 --> 1:26:58.490 SpaceX to use Starship to put its Artemis astronauts on 1:26:58.510 --> 1:27:01.390 the moon, and they want to do that in like 2028. 1:27:01.390 --> 1:27:02.950 So that's only a couple of years away, right? 1:27:02.970 --> 1:27:05.310 I mean, all this stuff is up in the air 1:27:05.370 --> 1:27:08.350 because we don't know how effective it's going to be, 1:27:08.370 --> 1:27:10.759 how efficient it's going to be. But it is sort 1:27:10.800 --> 1:27:13.860 of like if Starship works the way they want it to, 1:27:13.880 --> 1:27:16.680 this is not like 20 years off or 30 years off. 1:27:16.720 --> 1:27:19.810 It could just be like, five years off so yeah 1:27:19.970 --> 1:27:21.030 we we just have to wait and. 1:27:20.970 --> 1:27:23.450 See now mike wall i have to ask this because 1:27:23.470 --> 1:27:25.839 we've discussed all kinds of things and i don't recall 1:27:25.910 --> 1:27:28.780 us really discussing much in the way of ai but 1:27:28.800 --> 1:27:31.780 when you think of uh that or super intelligence whatever 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:33.920 moniker everybody wants to use these days i couldn't care 1:27:33.979 --> 1:27:38.820 less but uh the idea that it is so fast 1:27:38.900 --> 1:27:42.140 it is so smart it can learn and take things 1:27:42.260 --> 1:27:46.360 in and extend thought way beyond our consideration or fathomability 1:27:46.390 --> 1:27:49.110 at this point How much do you think that is 1:27:49.189 --> 1:27:52.639 taking into play, what will be Generation Next with travel 1:27:52.660 --> 1:27:55.240 and us leaving Terra Firma to get out there? 1:27:56.580 --> 1:27:59.440 Yeah, I think it'll trickle down. It's just like everything. 1:27:59.580 --> 1:28:01.660 It seems to be, or its proponents say, it's a 1:28:01.700 --> 1:28:06.790 world-changing technology, and it'll have all these impacts on pharmaceuticals 1:28:06.850 --> 1:28:10.630 and medicine, being able to predict things. or like what 1:28:10.689 --> 1:28:13.630 protein formations, what protein folding will lead to new drugs 1:28:13.650 --> 1:28:16.150 and all this stuff. And it's actually interesting, you know, 1:28:16.670 --> 1:28:20.470 it could be transformative in space too. Like you may 1:28:20.510 --> 1:28:23.120 have heard about some of these, some of the AI 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:26.599 data center constellations that SpaceX and Google and other. 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:28.960 Companies want to put in Earth orbit and beyond. 1:28:29.780 --> 1:28:31.600 And that's another thing, you know, like, because there's all 1:28:31.620 --> 1:28:34.340 this controversy about like having data centers on Earth, you know, 1:28:34.360 --> 1:28:36.479 people don't like them having them close by and they 1:28:37.170 --> 1:28:39.290 use a lot of energy and use so much water. 1:28:39.330 --> 1:28:42.900 And so, there's this big push to put, like, tens 1:28:42.939 --> 1:28:46.280 of thousands of them, or even more, you know. Like, yeah, actually, 1:28:46.300 --> 1:28:48.139 SpaceX wants to put a million of them. 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:48.979 In Earth orbit. 1:28:49.640 --> 1:28:52.099 Is that possible with space? I don't mean to interrupt. 1:28:52.160 --> 1:28:54.340 I mean, I'm just trying to, because we talked about 1:28:54.380 --> 1:28:58.719 light pollution before, and just the idea associated with satellites. 1:28:59.420 --> 1:29:02.440 So if there's going to be all this array of 1:29:02.460 --> 1:29:06.070 a variety of different technologies and installations, I don't know 1:29:06.090 --> 1:29:07.730 if that's the right term, but I'm using it now. 1:29:07.790 --> 1:29:11.530 You can correct me. You're the brain. In this situation, 1:29:11.550 --> 1:29:14.809 I mean, how cluttered will it be? And will that 1:29:14.870 --> 1:29:17.830 affect our quality of life here on Earth? 1:29:18.990 --> 1:29:20.870 There are a lot of people who think it will. 1:29:20.950 --> 1:29:23.870 And, yeah, there are astronomers who are really, really worried 1:29:23.890 --> 1:29:25.670 about that, you know, because if you have that many 1:29:25.710 --> 1:29:28.540 satellites up there, What's it going to look like for 1:29:28.580 --> 1:29:32.750 a really sensitive telescope trying to see, I mean, billions 1:29:32.810 --> 1:29:35.170 and billions of light years away, you know, these little, 1:29:35.710 --> 1:29:38.300 these specks of satellites are going to just cause streaks 1:29:38.340 --> 1:29:40.900 all over those images and just people who care about 1:29:40.939 --> 1:29:44.080 having dark night skies, you know, like... There's some, yeah, 1:29:44.100 --> 1:29:45.940 people have done some modeling work. What if there are 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:48.099 a million satellites in low earth orbit and around dusk 1:29:48.140 --> 1:29:50.650 and dawn, it would look like a ring, like it 1:29:50.660 --> 1:29:52.530 would create like a Saturn like ring. Some of these 1:29:52.550 --> 1:29:56.470 simulations suggest it would totally transform a night sky. And 1:29:56.490 --> 1:29:58.710 then there's the question of, well, what if some of 1:29:58.750 --> 1:30:01.570 these things, what are they going to do when they deorbit? 1:30:01.590 --> 1:30:03.509 You know, that's so much metal up in the atmosphere. 1:30:03.530 --> 1:30:05.229 It will be raining everywhere. 1:30:05.530 --> 1:30:07.930 It will no longer be me asking you about if 1:30:08.010 --> 1:30:10.510 I find a meteorite, how much it's worth, it's going 1:30:10.530 --> 1:30:14.230 to be my insurance company going. We don't, ever falling 1:30:14.310 --> 1:30:17.820 space crap. That's what will be on your homeowner's policy. 1:30:18.990 --> 1:30:21.650 There's some of that, but also they will say they're 1:30:21.670 --> 1:30:23.490 designed to burn up in the atmosphere. But even if 1:30:24.030 --> 1:30:26.120 they burn up 100% in the atmosphere, that's a lot 1:30:26.140 --> 1:30:29.040 of metals that are going into our atmosphere. We're doing 1:30:29.360 --> 1:30:32.700 a grand kind of geoengineering project on our planet. What 1:30:32.740 --> 1:30:34.639 will it mean to have all this metal. 1:30:34.460 --> 1:30:36.340 Pollution in our upper atmosphere? What will it do to 1:30:36.360 --> 1:30:37.040 the ozone layer? 1:30:37.520 --> 1:30:39.979 There's already some studies that kind of suggest it's not 1:30:40.020 --> 1:30:42.160 good for the ozone layer to have all these aluminum 1:30:42.229 --> 1:30:44.410 oxides up there. They'll kind of eat away at the 1:30:44.450 --> 1:30:47.580 ozone layer. We sort of did that experiment already in 1:30:48.280 --> 1:30:50.360 the 70s and the 80s, and we know it's not 1:30:50.400 --> 1:30:51.280 good to have a big hole. 1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:51.880 In your ozone layer. 1:30:51.900 --> 1:30:54.200 It leads to more cancer and cataracts and all the 1:30:54.220 --> 1:30:56.680 stuff we saw from people in the Southern Hemisphere where 1:30:56.700 --> 1:31:00.110 the ozone hole was. So there's people who are really 1:31:00.150 --> 1:31:02.130 worried about this, and there's people worried about if there's 1:31:02.150 --> 1:31:05.030 that much clutter up there, you could have collisions, and 1:31:05.070 --> 1:31:07.070 all it would take is a couple collisions to create 1:31:07.170 --> 1:31:09.450 big debris clouds that might lead to a cascade of 1:31:09.490 --> 1:31:10.150 more collisions. 1:31:11.070 --> 1:31:11.670 So yeah, it is. 1:31:13.090 --> 1:31:14.710 It's sort of a wild west. There are all these 1:31:14.770 --> 1:31:17.850 projects that have just been greenlit or expected to be greenlit, 1:31:17.870 --> 1:31:20.790 and some people are not too happy about that. But 1:31:21.170 --> 1:31:22.650 we'll just have to see if they all come to 1:31:22.689 --> 1:31:25.660 pass and what's going to happen, because right now there 1:31:25.840 --> 1:31:26.580 are no breaks on. 1:31:26.560 --> 1:31:27.320 Any of this stuff yet. 1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:28.840 Should there be? 1:31:30.990 --> 1:31:32.150 I personally think so. 1:31:32.290 --> 1:31:34.830 I personally, I mean, I don't know what my opinion 1:31:34.890 --> 1:31:36.370 counts or how much it matters. 1:31:36.450 --> 1:31:40.410 You're the space flight tech editor from space.com. Your opinion 1:31:40.450 --> 1:31:45.019 means something. You know some stuff. Yeah, you've got different perspectives. 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:46.260 So that's why I'm asking you. 1:31:47.500 --> 1:31:50.720 But where there's money to be made, that usually wins out, right? 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:53.310 So people, there are a lot of scientists who are saying, wait, 1:31:53.330 --> 1:31:54.690 let's study this a little bit more. 1:31:54.770 --> 1:31:55.750 Let's be a little careful. 1:31:55.770 --> 1:31:59.070 Let's try to draw up a compact with other countries 1:31:59.110 --> 1:32:01.350 to try to figure out what's safe, what's sustainable. 1:32:01.370 --> 1:32:03.689 Because that's the scary part. 1:32:04.170 --> 1:32:08.019 There are a lot of really, really capable satellite operators. Obviously, 1:32:08.060 --> 1:32:11.200 SpaceX is really good at managing a big constellation. 1:32:11.220 --> 1:32:12.720 They have Starlink up there now. There's like 11,000 of 1:32:12.760 --> 1:32:15.519 them operating. they're very good at managing them. 1:32:15.540 --> 1:32:18.040 There's been no problems so far with that from, there've 1:32:18.060 --> 1:32:21.060 been no collisions or anything like that. But like, what 1:32:21.120 --> 1:32:23.400 if there's like, just like, yeah, some of these startups 1:32:23.850 --> 1:32:25.410 who don't know what they're doing and they put up 1:32:25.450 --> 1:32:27.630 a thousand satellites and are quite as good at controlling 1:32:27.670 --> 1:32:29.849 them and they don't have the technology and all this stuff, 1:32:29.870 --> 1:32:33.390 you know, like there's just no kind of breaks and 1:32:33.410 --> 1:32:35.590 there's no enforcement on any of that stuff. All it 1:32:35.630 --> 1:32:39.140 takes is like one bad operator, one mistake, and you 1:32:39.180 --> 1:32:42.420 could have clutter all over low earth orbit. So there's 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:44.470 just people who are worried about, I'm certainly not the 1:32:44.510 --> 1:32:46.729 only one, just people worried about if we just go 1:32:47.250 --> 1:32:48.530 like kind of breakneck pace. 1:32:49.100 --> 1:32:50.690 Make as much money as we can, put as much 1:32:50.729 --> 1:32:51.280 stuff up as. 1:32:51.229 --> 1:32:53.950 We can, because it'll just be great for everybody. You know, 1:32:53.970 --> 1:32:56.930 that's a little, all it takes is one mistake. And, 1:32:56.950 --> 1:32:59.310 I mean, history tells us if you have enough time 1:32:59.350 --> 1:33:02.889 and enough opportunity, there will be at least one mistake. 1:33:03.030 --> 1:33:05.630 And that just adds and bodes even more well for 1:33:05.670 --> 1:33:08.030 what I've discussed with you time and time again, probably 1:33:08.060 --> 1:33:10.099 to the point of annoyance for you, and I apologize 1:33:10.140 --> 1:33:13.540 in advance. But we could be the trash collectors and 1:33:13.580 --> 1:33:17.540 the recyclers of space like Star Wars. And that is 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:19.660 where the future is. That is where the money is. 1:33:19.700 --> 1:33:21.900 We could have Mount Rumpke in space or bring it. 1:33:21.910 --> 1:33:24.270 I'm telling you that I don't know how much that 1:33:24.310 --> 1:33:26.290 would cost, but somebody is going to have to be 1:33:26.350 --> 1:33:28.810 doing that at some point, maybe 10 years, 20 years. 1:33:29.110 --> 1:33:31.550 How soon do you think that would be something necessary? 1:33:31.870 --> 1:33:35.210 Because what you described as stuff in orbit, low orbit 1:33:35.229 --> 1:33:39.570 or otherwise, moves fairly quickly. And can be very dangerous 1:33:39.650 --> 1:33:43.420 and hazardous to anything up there, satellites or even human-like 1:33:43.580 --> 1:33:46.800 craft at some point that could be the end of us. 1:33:48.160 --> 1:33:51.420 Yeah, stuff that's at the altitude of the International Space 1:33:51.439 --> 1:33:54.410 Station moves at like 17,500 miles per hour. 1:33:54.570 --> 1:33:56.790 So even like a small. 1:33:56.510 --> 1:33:59.030 Object like this, like the size of a screw or 1:33:59.070 --> 1:34:03.350 like a paint chip can disable a satellite if it 1:34:03.390 --> 1:34:04.030 hits it, right? 1:34:04.090 --> 1:34:04.270 Yeah. 1:34:05.170 --> 1:34:08.070 There are people, there are companies, there are governments working 1:34:08.110 --> 1:34:11.230 on ways to deorbit space junk. And they want to 1:34:11.270 --> 1:34:13.710 target the kind of biggest, most dangerous things, which are 1:34:13.729 --> 1:34:19.090 basically these big rocket bodies from big Chinese rockets that 1:34:19.170 --> 1:34:21.850 are just flying around the Earth, or these big old 1:34:21.930 --> 1:34:23.110 Russian rockets from back in. 1:34:23.070 --> 1:34:24.630 The day that are just up. 1:34:24.550 --> 1:34:26.590 There, dead, big hunks of metal, like the size of 1:34:26.630 --> 1:34:29.520 a school bus that is zooming around Earth. So there 1:34:29.740 --> 1:34:31.479 are companies that are working on how to get. 1:34:31.400 --> 1:34:32.939 Those big, dangerous things down. 1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:36.790 And then maybe, like, the kind of long-term solution is 1:34:36.870 --> 1:34:39.790 to design satellites better and to dispose of them before 1:34:39.830 --> 1:34:42.150 they become space-struck, you know, bring them down in the atmosphere. 1:34:42.170 --> 1:34:44.550 Can we do it like asteroids? Can we do it 1:34:44.570 --> 1:34:47.910 like asteroids and just shoot them? Remember that game, Asteroids? 1:34:48.210 --> 1:34:50.650 I mean, it was such a very simple game, but 1:34:50.670 --> 1:34:52.590 you could just sit there and just blow stuff up. 1:34:52.630 --> 1:34:53.430 I think that'd be great. 1:34:54.729 --> 1:34:56.190 Yeah, no, there are people. 1:34:57.320 --> 1:35:00.490 who are working on kind of like using lasers to, 1:35:00.650 --> 1:35:03.090 to ablate the surfaces and like bring them down. 1:35:03.130 --> 1:35:03.470 Yeah. 1:35:03.510 --> 1:35:05.309 There are, there are all sorts of ideas that you 1:35:05.350 --> 1:35:08.790 can think of. There's, there's nets, there's like grabbers and hooks. 1:35:08.890 --> 1:35:10.890 There's all, there's all sorts of ideas about how to 1:35:11.330 --> 1:35:12.950 grab these things and bring it down. 1:35:13.070 --> 1:35:15.980 So yeah, I'm not sure how far off that is. 1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:16.260 Yeah. 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:18.000 I don't mean to drive you nuts with that, but 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:21.479 it's every conversation eventually that we have or anytime I 1:35:21.580 --> 1:35:23.960 read anything about it or I watch some type of 1:35:23.979 --> 1:35:27.080 like thing, you know, documentary, I'm like, Who's getting the trash? 1:35:27.820 --> 1:35:30.300 It's just all I'm worried about is sanitation. I'm like, 1:35:30.360 --> 1:35:31.320 somebody's getting paid. 1:35:31.740 --> 1:35:32.259 It's crazy. 1:35:32.460 --> 1:35:34.820 Look, time is short. Mike Wall, I appreciate you making time. 1:35:34.860 --> 1:35:37.230 I hope all is well with the family wall, kids 1:35:37.280 --> 1:35:39.700 back to school and all. I have to ask one 1:35:39.740 --> 1:35:42.790 more thing, only because it was announced publicly, which I 1:35:42.850 --> 1:35:45.530 think is the first time anyone in a position of 1:35:45.590 --> 1:35:49.910 authority or otherwise said what we have talked about time 1:35:49.930 --> 1:35:52.950 and time again also, which is the military presence and 1:35:52.990 --> 1:35:58.000 possible issue of or usage of weapons in space. Were 1:35:58.040 --> 1:36:00.830 you surprised by that? And in short order within a 1:36:00.850 --> 1:36:03.889 minute or so, what are your thoughts about that announcement 1:36:03.930 --> 1:36:05.309 that was made in the last couple of two weeks, 1:36:05.370 --> 1:36:05.790 three weeks? 1:36:06.810 --> 1:36:09.290 I was, I was not surprised that we have, that 1:36:09.310 --> 1:36:11.350 we have weapons in space. I think everybody's kind of 1:36:11.410 --> 1:36:13.780 assumed that who's been following it. I was surprised they 1:36:13.820 --> 1:36:16.100 announced it. And I think they announced it as like 1:36:16.140 --> 1:36:19.460 a message to Russia and China as basically because they, 1:36:19.479 --> 1:36:21.439 they have these same types of weapons up their ways 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:24.450 to like, jam other satellites or just just kind of 1:36:24.490 --> 1:36:27.000 mess with them not necessarily blow them up because that's 1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:30.320 too obvious right um but to just just yeah to 1:36:30.380 --> 1:36:33.220 just blind them or to jam them and those are 1:36:33.260 --> 1:36:35.120 up there we like no russia and china are doing 1:36:35.140 --> 1:36:37.230 kind of anti-satellite stuff like that so i think this 1:36:37.240 --> 1:36:39.490 was the u.s government saying we have this stuff too 1:36:40.070 --> 1:36:42.290 and if you want to mess with our satellites we 1:36:42.310 --> 1:36:43.750 will mess with yours i think it was sort of 1:36:43.770 --> 1:36:46.010 like a brinksmanship thing or it was definitely. 1:36:45.710 --> 1:36:48.450 Sending a message Anything that I've not asked that you 1:36:48.470 --> 1:36:51.790 think is relevant before we say again, thank you and 1:36:51.850 --> 1:36:54.900 let you free to enjoy the big sandbox of life 1:36:54.939 --> 1:36:55.639 through this weekend? 1:36:56.979 --> 1:37:00.280 No, I think that's like the space station stuff and 1:37:00.540 --> 1:37:03.720 Starship and like all the orbiting data centers that might 1:37:03.740 --> 1:37:05.400 be coming our way if they can figure out how 1:37:05.439 --> 1:37:07.670 to cool them in space where there is no atmosphere 1:37:07.710 --> 1:37:10.910 to wick away heat, all that stuff. It's all, yeah, 1:37:11.250 --> 1:37:13.970 I think those are the kind of big hits that 1:37:14.010 --> 1:37:14.830 I wanted to touch on. 1:37:15.110 --> 1:37:16.350 And so I think you hit them all. 1:37:16.490 --> 1:37:18.839 Well, thank you very much for your time and your insights, 1:37:19.140 --> 1:37:20.680 and I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend, 1:37:20.700 --> 1:37:22.880 and we'll catch up again soon. He's always great reading, 1:37:22.900 --> 1:37:25.850 and it's a great resource. It's Mike DeWall, Space Flight 1:37:25.910 --> 1:37:29.309 Tech channel editor, space.com, the website. Thank you, my man. 1:37:29.370 --> 1:37:30.790 I hope you take care of yourself, and we'll catch 1:37:30.830 --> 1:37:31.150 up again soon. 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:34.009 That sounds good. Good to talk to you. 1:37:34.100 --> 1:37:34.430 You too. 1:37:34.470 --> 1:37:37.509 Take care of yourself. Straight away, your 1130 report. Kevin 1:37:37.550 --> 1:37:40.889 Carr on the other side. New movies, scary stuff, and more. 1:37:40.970 --> 1:37:45.970 Nation Station. Sterling, that's me. 700-WLW. Mailbox. He has comics. 1:37:46.010 --> 1:37:49.330 He has stories. He's a silver gecko on Substack. Takes 1:37:49.350 --> 1:37:51.950 the hit for us in the movie theater oftentimes so 1:37:52.010 --> 1:37:55.990 we don't have to feel the pain unnecessarily. Dude, how 1:37:56.090 --> 1:37:58.450 are you? How's everything? The weather has changed. The season 1:37:58.510 --> 1:38:01.610 is here of horrors, and there's a new Tom Cruise movie. 1:38:04.210 --> 1:38:07.530 Is that rolled into the horror element of everything? Oh, no, 1:38:07.550 --> 1:38:08.450 he's got another movie. 1:38:08.490 --> 1:38:08.870 Here we go. 1:38:09.130 --> 1:38:09.530 It could be. 1:38:09.610 --> 1:38:10.110 I don't know. 1:38:10.130 --> 1:38:12.939 This is really weird. I saw a trailer for it. 1:38:13.130 --> 1:38:17.030 I don't quite understand, Kevin, what is going on. At first, 1:38:17.070 --> 1:38:18.900 I was like, is that Digger Phelps? Who is he? 1:38:18.979 --> 1:38:21.500 Who's he supposed to be? He wants to save the world. 1:38:21.540 --> 1:38:25.160 I don't understand. And then somebody else was telling me 1:38:25.460 --> 1:38:27.400 that they thought he broke the world that he's trying 1:38:27.420 --> 1:38:29.000 to save. So help us understand. 1:38:30.140 --> 1:38:33.240 Yeah this one oh first of all you gotta he 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:35.240 does tom cruise will every now and then do a 1:38:35.300 --> 1:38:39.679 character that's very off type and oftentimes looks very different 1:38:39.700 --> 1:38:42.280 i kind of collateral is a good example of one 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:44.580 where he looked a little bit different or interview the 1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:47.410 vampire but uh you know, stuff like when he was 1:38:47.470 --> 1:38:51.479 in Tropic Thunder and he played Les Grossman, the studio boss. 1:38:51.580 --> 1:38:52.780 I forgot about that. 1:38:52.860 --> 1:38:53.259 Yeah. 1:38:53.660 --> 1:38:53.900 Yeah. 1:38:54.420 --> 1:38:56.420 It's much more like that, where he really kind of 1:38:56.600 --> 1:38:59.960 jumps into a character. And in this movie, he plays 1:39:00.400 --> 1:39:06.420 Digger Rockwell, who's a oil magnate. And it takes place 1:39:06.460 --> 1:39:09.389 in the future, you know, after some more, you know, 1:39:09.400 --> 1:39:11.250 more and more drilling has taken place and more and 1:39:11.270 --> 1:39:14.969 more carbon has gone in the air. And he's basically 1:39:14.990 --> 1:39:17.980 super wealthy and he uses his wealth and influence to 1:39:18.100 --> 1:39:22.510 kind of skirt around protections and stuff. And as a result, 1:39:23.410 --> 1:39:27.309 there's a catastrophic environmental disaster that happens as a result of. 1:39:27.790 --> 1:39:29.650 His oil drilling. 1:39:30.010 --> 1:39:35.180 And it's his whole world crumbling around him, not just physically, 1:39:35.260 --> 1:39:38.599 but emotionally and just his own home life and everything. 1:39:39.880 --> 1:39:43.259 His business is in jeopardy, and he's trying to wrestle 1:39:43.300 --> 1:39:45.549 control of the whole thing. but it's also got the 1:39:45.590 --> 1:39:51.269 story within a story that, well, it's directed by Alejandro 1:39:51.310 --> 1:39:54.550 and Ritu who did a bird man and he did 1:39:54.570 --> 1:39:55.469 the revenant, but. 1:39:55.350 --> 1:39:57.090 It's a lot more, it's got a. 1:39:57.070 --> 1:39:59.349 Lot more connected tissue with bird man in the sense 1:39:59.410 --> 1:40:02.410 that there is the story within a story. And it's 1:40:02.490 --> 1:40:06.370 focused on one very imperfect character, whether or not he's 1:40:06.410 --> 1:40:10.230 the hero or anti-hero is up to the viewer, but it's, 1:40:10.979 --> 1:40:13.240 It has a lot of layers and at times makes 1:40:13.300 --> 1:40:16.850 the movie really crowded. And that's sort of what I 1:40:16.890 --> 1:40:20.229 ding against it. But it's also this insane satire of 1:40:20.310 --> 1:40:24.290 business and politics and the oil business and climate change 1:40:24.350 --> 1:40:29.110 and all these different things swirling about and how humans, 1:40:29.490 --> 1:40:34.850 especially generationally, handle this. And when the scenes hit, they 1:40:34.900 --> 1:40:37.799 hit really well. I mean, there's some very funny moments. 1:40:38.500 --> 1:40:43.150 with Cruz playing Digger and like John Goodman plays the 1:40:43.210 --> 1:40:46.689 president and there's just absurd things happening and that works 1:40:46.729 --> 1:40:50.680 really well sometimes it doesn't it does run a little 1:40:50.720 --> 1:40:54.140 bit long and it's too busy of a movie but 1:40:54.200 --> 1:40:55.970 like I said when the scenes work they really do 1:40:56.010 --> 1:40:58.150 and it makes it Pretty enjoyable to watch at times. 1:40:58.350 --> 1:41:00.430 You know what's strange is that John Goodman used to 1:41:00.470 --> 1:41:04.570 be a real huge human being, and he's not anymore. 1:41:04.810 --> 1:41:07.490 Tom Cruise in this Digger movie is made up to 1:41:07.530 --> 1:41:09.860 look like he's a much larger human being, which is 1:41:10.140 --> 1:41:13.740 sort of irregular and strange in this. Talking to Kevin Carr, 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:15.520 by the way, Silver Gecko and Substack, back this new 1:41:15.560 --> 1:41:20.950 Tom Cruise movie with John Goodman called Digger. There was 1:41:21.010 --> 1:41:23.990 something creepy, and it was the same thing in the 1:41:24.060 --> 1:41:26.460 movie you mentioned that Cruise did before, where he was 1:41:26.479 --> 1:41:28.760 sort of made up as somebody else in Tropic Thunder. 1:41:28.780 --> 1:41:29.340 Oh, yeah, Tropic Thunder. 1:41:29.600 --> 1:41:31.700 You can sort of see it in the eyes, but 1:41:31.740 --> 1:41:34.400 you're not quite placing it. I see the same thing 1:41:34.689 --> 1:41:37.090 in Johnny Depp in the trailers for the Scrooge movie 1:41:37.110 --> 1:41:39.670 or whatever, where you sort of can place it. Yeah, 1:41:39.710 --> 1:41:42.510 you can sort of see it, but not. How is that, 1:41:42.590 --> 1:41:44.630 and how fun do you think it must be to 1:41:44.790 --> 1:41:47.210 put on that suit in that makeup and then just 1:41:47.330 --> 1:41:49.210 lose yourself in some type of character? 1:41:50.290 --> 1:41:53.230 Well, I think for Cruise, it gives him something different 1:41:53.290 --> 1:41:53.650 to do. 1:41:53.770 --> 1:41:55.179 He always plays that stock character. 1:41:55.800 --> 1:41:56.540 Tom Cruise. 1:41:56.560 --> 1:42:00.479 I mean, I see Tom Cruise. He's Maverick from Top Gun. 1:42:00.540 --> 1:42:03.540 He's the guy from whatever his name is on Days 1:42:03.580 --> 1:42:07.059 of Thunder. I mean, he's Cocktail. He's Risky Business. That's 1:42:07.380 --> 1:42:10.620 just the standard Tom Cruise character. And I think it 1:42:10.770 --> 1:42:12.360 gives him a chance to stretch. It gives him a 1:42:12.390 --> 1:42:15.390 chance to be something different. But he's also a control freak. 1:42:15.430 --> 1:42:18.830 So it's all kind of within his own parameters. And 1:42:19.070 --> 1:42:21.969 that's what allows him to really bust loose. And that's 1:42:22.450 --> 1:42:26.360 why he was so funny in Tropic Thunder. Because it 1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:32.139 allowed him to break his own character without– by becoming 1:42:32.180 --> 1:42:36.050 another character without betraying his sort of his stock Tom Cruise. 1:42:36.090 --> 1:42:38.110 And I think that that works. But a lot of 1:42:38.189 --> 1:42:41.470 actors like– now, Johnny Depp, you mentioned Johnny Depp with Ebenezer. 1:42:42.950 --> 1:42:45.490 I mean, Johnny Depp has done a lot of these performances. 1:42:45.610 --> 1:42:46.790 A whole bunch, yeah. 1:42:47.890 --> 1:42:51.590 So that's kind of the more regular Johnny Depp performance. 1:42:52.030 --> 1:42:54.590 You rarely get authentic Johnny Depp in your movies. You've 1:42:54.610 --> 1:42:57.410 got him always playing a character, whether it's Jack Sparrow 1:42:57.490 --> 1:43:03.140 or that awful French-Canadian detective in those Kenneth Smith movies. 1:43:04.360 --> 1:43:05.479 Yeah, it was pretty strong. 1:43:06.620 --> 1:43:10.179 Yeah. But, I mean, that's, I think, what's interesting watching. 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:13.540 It's just also just the over-the-top craziness of what's going 1:43:13.600 --> 1:43:15.320 on in the surreal nature of the movie. 1:43:15.439 --> 1:43:18.639 Oh, yeah. We're seeing it in the theater or streaming 1:43:18.660 --> 1:43:20.479 because you said it was long. You said when it hits, 1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:22.660 it hits. However, is it like such a wait in 1:43:22.700 --> 1:43:25.390 between it hitting scene wise where you're like, why am 1:43:25.450 --> 1:43:27.150 I in the theater? Why can't I just be at home? 1:43:28.210 --> 1:43:32.009 Well, it depends on what you go to the theater for. 1:43:32.170 --> 1:43:37.250 I mean, it's it's certainly visually. I mean, it's it 1:43:37.330 --> 1:43:40.660 does benefit from a large screen presentation. We'll say that 1:43:41.300 --> 1:43:43.300 maybe not at the level that say like the Odyssey. 1:43:43.380 --> 1:43:44.660 The Odyssey, I think, is going to be a very 1:43:44.700 --> 1:43:47.610 different movie at home. than it was on the big screen, 1:43:47.640 --> 1:43:51.960 especially the IMAX screen. This Digger looks really good on 1:43:51.979 --> 1:43:53.799 the big screen, but I think you can also appreciate 1:43:53.840 --> 1:43:55.780 it at home. I don't know if it's the movie 1:43:55.800 --> 1:43:57.600 you want to watch on your phone, but, you know, 1:43:57.620 --> 1:43:59.860 that's not my generally. 1:43:59.880 --> 1:44:02.720 People watch on their wrist. It's very challenging these days. 1:44:03.180 --> 1:44:05.040 Let me reintroduce you real quick. Kevin Carr, by the way, 1:44:05.080 --> 1:44:08.040 Silver Gecko, Substack, talking about the new movie Digger. Are 1:44:08.060 --> 1:44:09.240 you done with that? Because I want to switch to 1:44:09.280 --> 1:44:12.320 something else because we're talking about people changing type. In 1:44:12.400 --> 1:44:15.530 some fashion in acting, I have seen a litany of 1:44:15.550 --> 1:44:18.510 because we are now into October, a lot of ads 1:44:18.530 --> 1:44:21.490 for horror movies, and they've been coming more fast and 1:44:21.550 --> 1:44:24.830 more furiously over this last year, it seems that I 1:44:24.870 --> 1:44:28.150 can recall and some really good ones. But two actors 1:44:28.260 --> 1:44:31.380 that I have seen in the last week looking to 1:44:31.420 --> 1:44:35.479 do something different. and out of place, Jennifer Connelly and 1:44:35.540 --> 1:44:38.720 Jessica Chastain with these horror films that are coming out, 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:40.500 if not this weekend, in the next couple of weeks. 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:43.120 How awesome is that to see these women step up 1:44:43.200 --> 1:44:46.440 and play something so away from what we normally see? 1:44:47.500 --> 1:44:51.780 Well, let's talk Jessica Chastain first. She's done horror before. 1:44:51.900 --> 1:44:54.599 She's done quite a few horror movies. There was one 1:44:54.620 --> 1:44:59.010 she did, it was called Mama, where she had an 1:44:59.070 --> 1:45:02.210 adopted daughter and then there was this like or she 1:45:02.250 --> 1:45:04.420 had a niece or something. And this, this ghost type 1:45:04.460 --> 1:45:07.760 thing was, was like basically with its mother. It's always 1:45:07.800 --> 1:45:09.500 a mother movie, I guess with her, because the other 1:45:09.540 --> 1:45:15.270 mommy looks fantastic. And it, it's, You know, Jessica Chastain, 1:45:15.290 --> 1:45:18.030 she actually plays quite diverse roles anyway. 1:45:18.100 --> 1:45:20.820 Oh, she absolutely does. I just, she looks so creepy 1:45:20.939 --> 1:45:22.760 in like that. She's in like in a, like, I 1:45:22.760 --> 1:45:24.260 don't know if it's like a Chuck E. Cheese kind 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.979 of place or whatever in the balls. And she's got 1:45:27.020 --> 1:45:30.820 that weird Joker-esque sort of perma smile kind of thing. 1:45:30.840 --> 1:45:34.019 And it's really, it gave me the chills the first 1:45:34.060 --> 1:45:36.000 time I saw it. I'm like, holy crap. 1:45:36.960 --> 1:45:39.980 Well, and she's just facial feature wise. She's got very 1:45:40.020 --> 1:45:43.020 large eyes. Yeah. And she's got a very big grin. 1:45:43.470 --> 1:45:45.889 And so you put her in a movie like this, 1:45:46.590 --> 1:45:53.740 and it leans into the creepy look of it. And that's– 1:45:54.450 --> 1:45:58.570 I love it when an actor or actress, just an actor, 1:45:58.670 --> 1:46:02.270 does that. And it's okay doing horror movies. It's okay 1:46:02.290 --> 1:46:05.690 doing genre picks. I was just watching– because it's Halloween time, 1:46:05.710 --> 1:46:08.720 so I'm watching– we lost Sam Neill this year. 1:46:08.760 --> 1:46:09.460 Oh, that's right, yeah. 1:46:09.479 --> 1:46:12.180 A lot of people recognize him. from Jurassic Park, but 1:46:12.500 --> 1:46:15.439 he was in a handful of John Carpenter movies. 1:46:16.040 --> 1:46:17.660 And, you know, I just watched In the Mouth of. 1:46:17.640 --> 1:46:21.310 Madness where he plays an insurance investigator and it's a 1:46:21.350 --> 1:46:25.049 cheesy horror movie based on sort of like a modern 1:46:25.110 --> 1:46:26.770 version of a Lovecraft writer. 1:46:27.870 --> 1:46:31.000 And he is happy to do it because he's done. 1:46:30.900 --> 1:46:33.940 Multiple horror movies in the past. He was in like Well, 1:46:33.970 --> 1:46:35.990 he was in Damien. He played Damien. 1:46:36.189 --> 1:46:39.610 That's where I was introduced as a tiny Sterling Kevin Carr. 1:46:39.630 --> 1:46:42.049 And he creeped me out then, and he has creeped 1:46:42.070 --> 1:46:44.490 me out ever since. And I saw him in Jurassic Park. 1:46:44.550 --> 1:46:48.370 I was like, oh, hell no. Because I still flashback 1:46:48.390 --> 1:46:51.030 to being a six-year-old kid, and he's like a puppet 1:46:51.070 --> 1:46:52.610 of Satan. I'm like, oh, no. 1:46:53.390 --> 1:46:55.420 Yeah, well, because, you know, that was him kind of. 1:46:56.229 --> 1:47:00.120 I'm trying to do the Steven Spielberg, Indiana Jones kind of. 1:47:00.120 --> 1:47:01.740 Role, you know, for Jurassic. 1:47:01.760 --> 1:47:04.590 Park, but... But yeah, his very first big role was 1:47:05.090 --> 1:47:07.010 The Final Conflict, the third Omen movie. 1:47:07.030 --> 1:47:09.610 He was in one of my favorite spaceship. 1:47:09.229 --> 1:47:10.710 Horror movies, Event Horizon. 1:47:10.729 --> 1:47:12.030 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:47:13.130 --> 1:47:17.510 Dives full force into that movie. By the way, if 1:47:17.530 --> 1:47:21.150 you want to talk about my favorite subgenres, it is 1:47:21.350 --> 1:47:25.559 horror on a spaceship. Something horrible happening on a spaceship. 1:47:25.680 --> 1:47:29.530 And Event Horizon's one. Alien is another real famous one. 1:47:29.540 --> 1:47:33.960 Of course, yeah. There's one about 10, 15 years ago 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:36.880 called Life. It stars Jake Gyllenhaal and I think Rebecca 1:47:36.900 --> 1:47:41.570 Ferguson and Ryan Reynolds, isn't it? That's a really good 1:47:41.710 --> 1:47:43.950 one because it's just where do you go. 1:47:46.010 --> 1:47:47.719 If there's a bad thing on a spaceship? 1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:50.780 Yeah, which is perfect timing, of course. The new crew 1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:53.060 up in the International Space Station. That's always the thing. 1:47:53.080 --> 1:47:55.900 And then you think some weird, creepy growth that pops 1:47:55.979 --> 1:47:58.140 in there. Then they're all infected and they come back 1:47:58.180 --> 1:47:58.620 to Earth. 1:47:59.060 --> 1:47:59.520 I'm sorry. 1:47:59.680 --> 1:48:00.979 This is the stuff of nightmares. 1:48:01.560 --> 1:48:02.320 I apologize. 1:48:02.820 --> 1:48:08.060 Anything else before we go? Space genre. I mean, all 1:48:08.100 --> 1:48:10.559 these different, there are so many different types of horror movies. 1:48:10.650 --> 1:48:13.810 There's the realistic, there's the over the top, there's the crazy, insane, 1:48:13.850 --> 1:48:17.450 like inconceivable, not possible, but just stupid. And there's a 1:48:17.490 --> 1:48:20.400 whole month of it. Get five of your like, must 1:48:20.460 --> 1:48:23.979 see in this month. Got to check them out. Horror 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:25.060 movies before we let you go. 1:48:25.979 --> 1:48:27.639 Well, I'm going to go to the old standards. 1:48:27.700 --> 1:48:30.680 Of course, I always love the thing. The 1982 John 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:33.540 Carpenter movie. As much as I love the Halloween movies, 1:48:33.860 --> 1:48:36.809 Halloween three season of The Witch is so bonkers. But 1:48:36.820 --> 1:48:38.670 that's also very fun and very Halloweeny. 1:48:39.770 --> 1:48:40.610 I would say. 1:48:42.400 --> 1:48:44.519 Invasion of the Body Snatchers, always one of my favorite 1:48:44.620 --> 1:48:48.820 ones for more modern ones. You know, the original Saw 1:48:48.979 --> 1:48:51.920 is still quite unnerving. It is. You can do a 1:48:51.960 --> 1:48:54.800 twofer with that, the original Hostel, which is that's the 1:48:54.820 --> 1:49:00.360 dark torture porn area of the world. But, you know, 1:49:00.460 --> 1:49:04.750 Eli Roth directed a kid's movie, which was The House 1:49:04.790 --> 1:49:07.070 with the Clock in Its Walls. That's a really great 1:49:07.130 --> 1:49:11.300 Halloween movie. And even though it's Eli Roth, it's it's 1:49:11.400 --> 1:49:14.420 not a punishing horror. It's it's sort of like it's 1:49:14.479 --> 1:49:19.090 gateway horror for something like, you know, Hocus Pocus level of. 1:49:19.210 --> 1:49:19.850 Good for the kids. 1:49:19.890 --> 1:49:21.050 So, yeah. 1:49:21.729 --> 1:49:21.950 Nice. 1:49:22.070 --> 1:49:26.150 And one more. Just one wild card. Because that was four. Well, 1:49:26.170 --> 1:49:28.050 you did get five because you threw hostile and saw 1:49:28.090 --> 1:49:29.900 in one that counts as one. And I'm making the rules. 1:49:31.040 --> 1:49:34.050 Okay, yeah, okay. 1:49:34.090 --> 1:49:34.590 I don't know. 1:49:34.870 --> 1:49:38.310 Okay, let's go crazy. Let's go completely bonkers. Hellraiser by 1:49:38.729 --> 1:49:40.510 Clyde Barker. That's a really chilling movie. 1:49:40.590 --> 1:49:41.410 Yeah, it really is. 1:49:41.490 --> 1:49:42.390 You've not seen it. 1:49:42.410 --> 1:49:42.849 It is great. 1:49:42.870 --> 1:49:43.290 Really chilling. 1:49:43.310 --> 1:49:43.809 Not for the kids. 1:49:44.290 --> 1:49:44.750 Absolutely. 1:49:45.030 --> 1:49:47.260 Anything else before we let you go besides the fact 1:49:47.300 --> 1:49:49.480 that you are Silver Gecko on Substack? You'll show up 1:49:49.540 --> 1:49:52.160 in mailboxes. You have comics. You have stories. You do 1:49:52.240 --> 1:49:54.340 all these other things, and occasionally you take the hit 1:49:54.360 --> 1:49:56.480 for us at the theater so we know what's worth 1:49:56.540 --> 1:49:57.240 our time or not. 1:49:58.370 --> 1:49:59.990 Yeah, no, that seems to do it all. 1:50:00.090 --> 1:50:01.970 So we'll end there. 1:50:02.030 --> 1:50:02.530 That'll be good. 1:50:02.610 --> 1:50:04.410 All right. Well, then we're done. All right. Enjoy the 1:50:04.450 --> 1:50:06.920 rest of your weekend. He's Kevin Carr. I'm Sterling. Silver 1:50:06.939 --> 1:50:09.200 Gecko Substack. Go find him. Check him out. He'll pop 1:50:09.240 --> 1:50:10.840 into your mailbox. We'll do more of this on the 1:50:10.880 --> 1:50:15.340 other side. 700-WLW. Not quite done yet. Lee Malowin's got 1:50:15.360 --> 1:50:18.490 your midnight report in about seven minutes from. 1:50:19.830 --> 1:50:20.030 Mark. 1:50:21.010 --> 1:50:23.370 And then you get Red Eye Radio. I'll be back 1:50:23.410 --> 1:50:26.830 tomorrow after Ken Brew, starting at 3. I'm not sure. 1:50:26.850 --> 1:50:29.110 Donna D may be with me. She may not be 1:50:29.189 --> 1:50:33.360 with me. The guy who's created and stars in this 1:50:33.420 --> 1:50:38.640 show that's streaming on Amazon Prime called Graves End, which 1:50:39.160 --> 1:50:40.960 is a pretty cool show. And it's a neat to 1:50:41.220 --> 1:50:42.920 see that he was on, I think, before the first 1:50:42.960 --> 1:50:45.810 season or shortly after the first season debuted. The third 1:50:45.860 --> 1:50:48.330 season's now available. We'll talk to him tomorrow afternoon. I 1:50:48.330 --> 1:50:50.189 think it's about 3.30 or so, if I'm not mistaken. 1:50:50.880 --> 1:50:54.000 a lot of other stuff to get to tomorrow as well. Uh, 1:50:54.560 --> 1:50:58.720 great calls tonight, incredible conversation, a boatload of other things, 1:50:58.760 --> 1:51:00.790 but I was thinking about this Kevin Carr thing. And then, uh, 1:51:01.330 --> 1:51:04.809 Melissa and Oakley who listens regularly, she and her husband, 1:51:04.870 --> 1:51:07.670 she says, my husband never mentions his name. So I 1:51:07.689 --> 1:51:10.110 don't know, uh, who that is, but either way, appreciate 1:51:10.130 --> 1:51:13.150 you listening. Uh, and she added to the list of 1:51:13.220 --> 1:51:15.580 horror movies. Cause Kevin Carr and I were talking about 1:51:15.620 --> 1:51:17.790 some of that silver gecko on sub stack talking about, uh, 1:51:18.630 --> 1:51:21.390 new movies and everything in this new digger, which you 1:51:21.430 --> 1:51:23.990 may have just heard that conversation. She mentioned the conjuring. 1:51:24.030 --> 1:51:25.770 How can you not mention the conjuring is one of 1:51:25.790 --> 1:51:30.639 the best. I don't disagree with you. I like it. It's, 1:51:30.820 --> 1:51:34.120 it's a pretty good series that goes along with that. 1:51:34.160 --> 1:51:36.700 I thought that the doll movies, and I don't mean Chucky, 1:51:36.740 --> 1:51:39.019 that is one of the doll films from forever ago. 1:51:39.420 --> 1:51:42.000 And I don't, and there's a newer one, Annabelle, right? 1:51:42.040 --> 1:51:45.990 That was like a doll and like a haunted and 1:51:46.050 --> 1:51:48.220 all the stuff that sort of goes with that. She 1:51:48.260 --> 1:51:50.010 mentioned that. She also mentioned, how do you not mention 1:51:50.439 --> 1:51:54.470 Texas Chainsaw Massacre? I agree. The original and then also 1:51:54.510 --> 1:51:58.590 the one that they did in McConaughey. And I get 1:51:58.810 --> 1:52:01.610 the blonde women mixed up in that. And I cannot 1:52:01.650 --> 1:52:04.370 think of her name now. She got real big for 1:52:04.410 --> 1:52:09.570 movies and then lost. Anyway, great in the remake on that, too. 1:52:10.570 --> 1:52:13.090 In The Shining, I'll mention The Shining and Rosemary's Baby, 1:52:13.130 --> 1:52:16.530 two movies that still to this day. will mess with me. 1:52:16.570 --> 1:52:18.550 The Shining, of course, a book about the size of 1:52:18.570 --> 1:52:21.710 the Iliad, not quite that big. The original movie, and then, 1:52:21.729 --> 1:52:24.830 of course, they remade it in some weird incarnation a 1:52:24.850 --> 1:52:27.910 time or two as well. And Rosemary's Baby, the original 1:52:27.990 --> 1:52:30.400 creep me the hell out, is a kid that I 1:52:30.410 --> 1:52:33.110 got to see when I probably shouldn't have when it 1:52:33.140 --> 1:52:37.059 was on TV, even somewhat edited, still sticks with me. 1:52:38.280 --> 1:52:42.240 And they remade that into an episodic thing just a 1:52:42.280 --> 1:52:44.860 few years ago, too. And that was really good as well. 1:52:45.189 --> 1:52:48.060 So thanks for mentioning that, Melissa. So yeah, there's a 1:52:48.100 --> 1:52:50.340 lot of different horror films that are out there. The 1:52:50.400 --> 1:52:54.800 genres are the thing because there's the outlandish, inconceivable, over-the-top. 1:52:55.120 --> 1:52:57.780 The thing that maybe as a child sticks with us, 1:52:57.860 --> 1:53:01.059 or at least me, which is the idea that you 1:53:01.120 --> 1:53:03.220 can't get rid of the killer, that they just keep 1:53:03.280 --> 1:53:06.200 coming back. It's sort of like that Halloween thing or 1:53:06.220 --> 1:53:09.150 the Friday the 13th with Jason Voorhees or whatever else. 1:53:09.810 --> 1:53:12.090 You kill him and they keep going back to the 1:53:12.110 --> 1:53:16.410 same place, which I never understood. And And a new 1:53:16.490 --> 1:53:18.830 Friday the 13th for us says, too. So we'll see 1:53:18.870 --> 1:53:21.970 how that comes out. A prequel to the Friday. So 1:53:21.990 --> 1:53:25.850 it'll be like Thursday the 12th. Crystal Lake makes sense. 1:53:25.900 --> 1:53:26.110 Yeah. 1:53:26.140 --> 1:53:28.340 Which is where that all started. So interesting to see 1:53:28.380 --> 1:53:31.240 how they sort of tie that all up and sort 1:53:31.280 --> 1:53:32.800 of show you where it started. And I bet if 1:53:32.860 --> 1:53:36.580 it does well, because they're not that expensive to make generally, 1:53:36.660 --> 1:53:39.140 which is what Kevin has talked about time and time again. 1:53:39.689 --> 1:53:42.470 then there'll probably be some more of those too. We 1:53:42.490 --> 1:53:44.570 may get into this a little bit tomorrow and it's October. 1:53:44.590 --> 1:53:47.090 So we've got time to talk scary movies, stuff that 1:53:47.130 --> 1:53:49.870 creeps us out and stuff that makes us uncomfortable. And 1:53:50.370 --> 1:53:52.110 a lot of us, aside from the news that can 1:53:52.130 --> 1:53:54.590 be scary, we like to cough up hard-earned cash to 1:53:54.610 --> 1:53:58.830 go places and let people scare us. I will never forget. Well, 1:53:58.930 --> 1:54:01.929 I was probably 14 or 15 and I got kicked 1:54:02.030 --> 1:54:05.790 out of a haunted house. I wasn't driving. I wasn't 1:54:05.830 --> 1:54:07.729 hanging out with my friends. And I'm trying to remember 1:54:07.840 --> 1:54:11.120 maybe some of my friends with us. And this was 1:54:11.160 --> 1:54:13.060 in the Dayton area. We went to one of these 1:54:13.100 --> 1:54:17.630 haunted houses. And I don't, I mean, look, a controlled 1:54:17.770 --> 1:54:22.230 fear and chaos is great. But somebody touched me in 1:54:22.250 --> 1:54:25.900 the haunted house, right? And I don't mean like I 1:54:25.939 --> 1:54:28.560 was groped and molested, touched like that. I mean like 1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:31.099 someone of the characters or the actors in The Haunted 1:54:31.160 --> 1:54:37.040 House reached out and grabbed me. My visceral response was 1:54:37.060 --> 1:54:42.020 to punch. And I did. And they did not like that. 1:54:43.540 --> 1:54:46.660 And then I was asked to leave. I don't know 1:54:46.720 --> 1:54:49.480 how often that happens if you work in a haunted house. 1:54:49.780 --> 1:54:52.740 I mean, there has to be some rules. But I 1:54:52.780 --> 1:54:56.200 just remember... They grabbed me. I freaked out. The first 1:54:56.260 --> 1:55:00.560 response was throw a punch. So I would imagine that 1:55:00.600 --> 1:55:05.550 may happen more regularly than you would imagine. It just 1:55:05.590 --> 1:55:08.810 has to happen occasionally, or at least it did to me. 1:55:09.230 --> 1:55:12.370 And I got yelled at for that. I was like, well, 1:55:12.390 --> 1:55:13.470 what do you want me to do? You touched me. 1:55:14.030 --> 1:55:15.690 I mean, they're like, well, it's a haunted house. You 1:55:15.710 --> 1:55:19.870 paid to be scared. Yeah, but there are boundaries. And 1:55:20.290 --> 1:55:23.030 you got into my personal bubble, my personal space, and 1:55:23.070 --> 1:55:27.420 I frowned against that. And I still do. And subsequently, 1:55:27.440 --> 1:55:29.460 I got to do a lot of promotions and work 1:55:29.540 --> 1:55:31.020 in and around them. I have a cousin who used 1:55:31.060 --> 1:55:34.640 to run one up in the Dayton-Springfield area for charity. 1:55:34.760 --> 1:55:36.440 And I know did a lot of great work and 1:55:36.480 --> 1:55:38.470 had a lot of great fun with that. I ought 1:55:38.490 --> 1:55:39.690 to have him on and see if he's doing that, 1:55:39.970 --> 1:55:42.810 how they dealt with that. Because my mom was not 1:55:42.890 --> 1:55:46.490 happy with me. Why did you hit somebody? They touched me. 1:55:47.470 --> 1:55:49.720 Told me not to let anybody just touch me. So 1:55:49.760 --> 1:55:51.440 I did what I had to do. Here's something else, 1:55:51.480 --> 1:55:53.900 and this is definitely something I'll get into tomorrow. A 1:55:53.980 --> 1:55:58.800 former NASCAR driver in the truck series, a woman, you 1:55:58.820 --> 1:56:01.520 might know her name, Jennifer Jo Cobb. I think she's 1:56:01.560 --> 1:56:05.950 no longer driving. She was accused of and apparently convicted 1:56:06.190 --> 1:56:12.410 or found to be responsible for alienation of affection. A 1:56:12.490 --> 1:56:16.590 jury found that she caused the marriage between Tracy Hughes, 1:56:17.020 --> 1:56:19.900 And Clayton Hughes, with whom she had had an affair, 1:56:19.940 --> 1:56:23.840 a side thing, she had caused alienation and trouble in 1:56:23.860 --> 1:56:27.060 the marriage. And as a result of that, she is 1:56:27.100 --> 1:56:29.530 going to have to pay. I got to think there's 1:56:29.550 --> 1:56:31.210 going to be an appeal, but she was ordered to 1:56:31.250 --> 1:56:37.570 pay eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars because she somehow 1:56:37.710 --> 1:56:42.610 caused Tracy Hughes. And Clayton Hughes to have an alienation 1:56:42.670 --> 1:56:45.610 of affection situation because somebody stepped out to get with 1:56:45.650 --> 1:56:49.540 her and get a little bit on the side. Eight, eight, what? 1:56:50.400 --> 1:56:54.080 Eight fifty. How much was that worth? dinner, a movie, 1:56:54.180 --> 1:56:59.880 a couple of drinks, a weekend, 8.50? What is that worth? Unbelievable. 1:57:00.160 --> 1:57:03.360 The news straight away. Lee Malwin has an update on 1:57:03.380 --> 1:57:05.570 what's going on around planet Earth and what matters to 1:57:05.650 --> 1:57:08.730 us here in the tri-state and beyond. Red Eye Radio 1:57:08.770 --> 1:57:11.090 to follow. Thank you, Russ Jackson, for doing what you do. 1:57:11.410 --> 1:57:13.510 Great guests from Kevin Carr and Mike D. 1:57:13.570 --> 1:57:14.030 Wall. 1:57:14.410 --> 1:57:18.040 Who else? I know I'm forgetting other people. 1:57:18.360 --> 1:57:18.580 Others. 1:57:20.430 --> 1:57:24.130 And we'll do it again tomorrow afternoon following Ken Brew. 1:57:24.190 --> 1:57:26.310 Moe Wagger. Moe, how do I forget Moe? Moe, my baby. 1:57:26.970 --> 1:57:30.010 Moe on Talking Bengals and Bearcats, too. 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