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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike, Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Here we go our number three, Cincy three sixty. It

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Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Momentarily ideally getting

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Speaker 2: to Keegan nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com. Unless Keegan is,

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Speaker 2: you know, somewhere at the final four and maybe he

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Speaker 2: doesn't have service right now, maybe Radio Rose busy. I

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Speaker 2: don't know our number three. We'll check in with Moager.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk some Bengals, we'll talk some draft strategy as well.

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Speaker 2: And a question that I have and it came up

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Speaker 2: a little bit earlier today before the show. Early college

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Speaker 2: football futures are out, and we've talked about this when

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Speaker 2: they initially came out with UC's posted total at five.

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Speaker 3: And a half.

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Speaker 2: The Ohio State Buckeyes posted total is nine and a half.

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Speaker 2: We'll go through some of those futures and our number

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Speaker 2: three as well. But what I did find interesting is

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Speaker 2: along with the futures, you can get some early betting

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Speaker 2: lines into the early season action for college football. In

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Speaker 2: some of the Marquee games. For instance, August twenty ninth,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina and TCU have a game, TCUs a seven

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Speaker 2: and a half point favorite. What about the fall of

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Speaker 2: Clemson Austin. The Clemson Tigers play against LSU on September fifth,

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Speaker 2: early line on that LSU minus eleven and a half.

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Speaker 2: Is that more about how good Lane Kiffen and LSU

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Speaker 2: ACC and Clemson has fallen. Louisville and Old Miss an

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Speaker 2: early season game, same Louisville getting eight and a half

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Speaker 2: if you wanted to bet that, you'd have to lay

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Speaker 2: eighteen and a half points for the Notre Dame fighting

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Speaker 2: Irish eighteen and a half. Notre Dame is favored over

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Speaker 2: the Wisconsin Badgers. September twelfth. Some good football on the schedule.

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Speaker 2: Michigan host Oklahoma right now, Michigan's a two and a

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Speaker 2: half point favorite, and returning to Texas after their trip

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Speaker 2: to Ohio State last year, the Buckeyes will travel to

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Speaker 2: take on Arch Manning and the Texas Longhorns. Right now,

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Speaker 2: home against Ohio State, and I believe a lot of

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Speaker 2: that has to do with the amount of players that

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Speaker 2: Ohio State is looking to replace. We'll get to that

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Speaker 2: in just a little That we have found our friend

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Speaker 2: from Bearcat Journal dot com, Keegan Nickoson, is joining us

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Speaker 2: right now. Hello, Keagan, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Tony, how are you doing great?

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Speaker 2: Are you at the Final four?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I'm on my way to the beautiful indoor

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Speaker 4: practice facility at Cincinnati to watch some spring practice.

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Speaker 2: How has spring ball gone? Because I talk about this often,

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Speaker 2: it just spring football feels different. You don't lead up

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Speaker 2: to a spring game anymore. It's more of a showcase.

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Speaker 2: There's so much shuffling of the roster. Any big takeaways

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Speaker 2: that at this point in spring ball for you.

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Speaker 4: I think this team's gonna run the crap out of

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Speaker 4: the ball and play better defense. Watching Zion Johnson and

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Speaker 4: Jabron Payin run the ball behind this offensive line. They've

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Speaker 4: done it with a ton of success. Ian Johnson's score

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Speaker 4: the eight six year touchdowns, and then they're bringing tons

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Speaker 4: of pressure, which wasn't normal and the three five kind

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Speaker 2: How how different is it going to be? Because I

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Speaker 2: know we talk about Scott Saderfield's offense a lot, but

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Speaker 2: when you don't have a quarterback returning, it just adds

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Speaker 2: How does the quarterback position look? I know it's only

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Speaker 2: April second, but how does that position look right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think JC French looks like the most seasoned

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Speaker 4: good practices, but I just think if you're going to

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Speaker 4: It's tough to make judgments on Spring, but I'm more

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Speaker 4: ready for Fall to see exactly how far he's come along.

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Speaker 3: Minutes transition, Let's switch gears.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's talk basketball, because we have seen this media

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Speaker 2: tour from Jared Calhoun. He has He's been everywhere and

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Speaker 2: seemingly during an extremely busy time right now, including an

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Speaker 2: on with just I guess more more so than anything,

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Speaker 2: the reception that Jared Calhoun has received by the fan

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's not surprising, and I think

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Speaker 4: And I wouldn't really disagree with the people saying that

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Speaker 4: And you shouldn't really expect a bunch of rock fights

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Speaker 4: at Fifth Third Arena anymore. Like saying, no one talks

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Speaker 3: The ball goes in the hoop.

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Speaker 4: And it's definitely different for a lot of Cincinnati fans,

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Speaker 4: but it's probably refreshing, knowing the brand of basketball they've

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Speaker 4: and good on him getting on the Kelsey podcast. And

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Speaker 4: I know that's not as big as UH sixty three

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Speaker 2: I know April seventh is the date everyone has circled,

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Speaker 2: and we've not heard anything from any players on UC currently.

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Speaker 2: How do you envision the roster right now? I think

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Speaker 2: Cham what's the odds of any or potentially all of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the most likely player from last year's

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Speaker 2: What is happening right now? Because the portal opens on

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Speaker 2: April seventh, that doesn't mean that there's not conversations being had.

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Speaker 2: What does that timeframe look like between now and the seventh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I'm surprised we're not seeing a bunch

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Speaker 2: What will the early expectations for Jared Calhoun be? Because

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Speaker 2: you mentioned the resounding positivity around this hire, and even

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Speaker 2: in talking to Jared Calhoun's he's made it evident that

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Speaker 2: getting back to the tournament is attainable and that's where

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Speaker 5: In your opinion, I think it should be.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that's gonna happen. And we actually

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Speaker 4: had an argument on the America General YouTube Network about

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Speaker 4: this on multiple shows, But I don't understand how you

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Speaker 4: I'm like, well, Kansas and North Carolina and Duke and

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Speaker 4: So I also think we're over complicating how hard it

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Speaker 4: And I think the standards should be the tournament every

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Speaker 2: I know that Corey evans that the GM is remaining.

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Speaker 2: Do we have the staff that Jared Calhoun is is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been some rumors that hasn't been anything officially

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Speaker 4: Robinson was another name. Also like, don't be surprised if

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Speaker 4: Calhoun tries to go and get a former Bearcat to

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Speaker 4: with Eric Howe taking the Tarletan State job, but that

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Speaker 4: think that's more of a specific niche position that he'd fill.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there hasn't been anything officially confirmed by the university,

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Speaker 4: kind of want these players to have some clarity.

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Speaker 2: what I think is interesting is how the rosters are assembled.

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Speaker 4: Sag youbes absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I have to disagree with Keegan a little bit. I

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Speaker 2: Now after that, I think Texas Tech and homecoming is

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Speaker 2: At some point under Scott Saderfield, this team has to.

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Speaker 2: the depth that has been added today to the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Bengals secondary that has been made official with Hill.

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Speaker 5: Well, they've made two moves today. Tony j Justsir Taylor, Yes,

437
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Speaker 5: a corner that they signed earlier this morning previously with

438
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Speaker 5: the Chargers and Jets more of a special teams type

439
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Speaker 5: of place. And then earlier today they signed unrestricted free

440
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Speaker 5: agent safety Kyle Duggar to a one year contract. He's

441
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Speaker 5: six foot two, two hundred and sixteen pounds A seventh

442
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Speaker 5: year player out of Lenore, Rhyan. He was a second

443
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Speaker 5: round pick of the Patriots in twenty twenty. Played eighty

444
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Speaker 5: one games for the Pats, was traded in October of

445
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Speaker 5: twenty five to Pittsburgh. He saw action in nine contests

446
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Speaker 5: ninety career regular season games, He's started seventy eight of them.

447
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Speaker 5: He has four hundred and fifty four tackles, two hundred

448
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Speaker 5: and seven or excuse me, twenty seven TFLs, four and

449
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Speaker 5: a half sacks, twenty nine passes defense to eleven picks,

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Speaker 5: three fourths fumbles, two fumble recoveries, along with twenty nine

451
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Speaker 5: tackles on special teams. He's made a couple of big

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Speaker 5: plays against the Bengals in recent years, most notably a

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Speaker 5: pick six against Joe Flacco last year. How about that now?

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Speaker 2: The question that I have with the upcoming draft, and

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Speaker 2: we've done a lot of mock drafts here each Monday

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Speaker 2: on Sincy three sixty, the question I have kind of

457
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Speaker 2: falls into the term that I hear too often, and

458
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Speaker 2: you can relate to this with the Cincinnati Reds. I

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Speaker 2: think you can relate to it with a lot of

460
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Speaker 2: sports here locally. The term that gets thrown around of

461
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Speaker 2: that's just not what they do. And we hear this

462
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Speaker 2: all the time when talked about the Reds and adding

463
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Speaker 2: an outfield or adding a power batter, or that's just

464
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Speaker 2: not what they do. And oftentimes if the idea is

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Speaker 2: ever brought up to move up in the draft, it

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Speaker 2: is met with immediately, well, that's just not what the

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Speaker 2: Bengals do. What would it take to do away with

468
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Speaker 2: that term for the Cincinnati Bengals. If Joe Burrow saying

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Speaker 2: this offseason is paramount, if that doesn't change the thinking

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Speaker 2: to say, you know what, I know, it's not what

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Speaker 2: we do, but screw it, it's something we need to do.

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Speaker 2: If not now, then when would that ever be applicable?

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Speaker 2: Because what I get to in the draft is we've

474
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Speaker 2: already talked ourselves into a corner from from the time

475
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Speaker 2: the offseason started to now it was a linebacker, interior,

476
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Speaker 2: defensive line, edge rusher, and I feel like we just

477
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Speaker 2: get so caught up in the fact that where mock

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Speaker 2: drafts fall and how they're doing in reps and in

479
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Speaker 2: what the situation on the roster looks like that now.

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Speaker 2: It's so I think corner is their viable option at

481
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Speaker 2: ten when this team still needs an extreme boost at linebacker,

482
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Speaker 2: they need a boost at edge rusher, they need a

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Speaker 2: boost on the interior part of the defensive line. And

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Speaker 2: I know that you have to find the trade partner

485
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Speaker 2: as well. Tony Pauline has recently reported that the Browns

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Speaker 2: are open to trading down from pick number six. Now,

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Speaker 2: it'd be very difficult to trade with the Browns because

488
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Speaker 2: the Browns aren't going to want to let an AFC

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Speaker 2: North team move up. But can you find a different

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Speaker 2: team in the top ten? Can you find the Tennessee Titans,

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Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints, the Washington Commanders. Can you find

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Speaker 2: a team that would be willing to swap you picks

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Speaker 2: and you throw in a sixth or seventh rounder in

494
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Speaker 2: order to go get one of the dudes in the draft.

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Speaker 2: And by dudes, I think of Bailey Styles, Bay Downs,

496
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Speaker 2: Reese and I would even say Jeremiah Love, as crazy

497
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Speaker 2: as that sounds. And I know we're just feeding into

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Speaker 2: what James Rapenutt often talks about, but it feels like

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Speaker 2: the more mock drafts, we see the combination of those

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Speaker 2: players Bailey, Styles, Baning Downs, Love Reese are off the

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Speaker 2: board by the time number ten comes around, and so

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Speaker 2: the next plausible ideas well you a corner or maybe

503
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Speaker 2: even opportunity to trade back. But I'm looking at the

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Speaker 2: way this draft is lined up. I'm looking at picking

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Speaker 2: number nine. That's the Kansas City Chiefs. That's a team,

506
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Speaker 2: regardless of what they did last year. It's a team

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Speaker 2: that you're going to be competing with in the AFC.

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Speaker 2: It's still Patrick Mahomes, it's still Andy Reid. If the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs are there at nine, and let's say Bane Styles

510
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Speaker 2: or maybe even RVL Reese are still on the board,

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Speaker 2: one of them at number eight, would this prompt the

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Speaker 2: Bengals to swap that pick at seven or eight with

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Speaker 2: whatever team it may be throwing a late round draft

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Speaker 2: pick and go get one of the premier players at

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Speaker 2: a premier position of need for the Bengals. I get

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Speaker 2: that the depth at corner is in question, but I

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Speaker 2: also think corner at least the starters is in better

518
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Speaker 2: shape right now than the linebacking unit and the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Could anything prompt this team Austin regardless of the it's

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Speaker 2: just not what they do. To go get one of

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Speaker 2: those players that can be a game changing player on

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Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't see them doing that. I think one of the

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Speaker 5: reasons for it is you would have to find a

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Speaker 5: partner that would agree to do it. All those players

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Speaker 5: are good, and all those positions are premier positions, offensive tackle,

527
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Speaker 5: defensive end. Like the Commanders need to get young and cheap,

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Speaker 5: and they need playmakers. You're not gonna the Browns aren't

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Speaker 5: gonna trade with you. The Raiders aren't gonna trade with you.

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Speaker 5: What about the Saint The Chiefs probably aren't gonna trade

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Speaker 5: with you. Maybe the Saints will, but that's a team

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Speaker 5: that needs a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just looked at like seven and eight

534
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Speaker 2: with Washington and the Saints because can they move back

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Speaker 2: and can they move back through with three spots and

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Speaker 2: maybe fill their need of what they have while the

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Speaker 2: Bengals can fulfill theirs.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think a team like Cardinals and Titans

539
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Speaker 5: might be more apt to do it just because of

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Speaker 5: the sheer amount of pieces that they need. And they

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Speaker 5: need more picks, but that's gonna cost you a lot

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Speaker 5: more I think it would be, like right now, harder

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Speaker 5: than we think to move up.

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Speaker 3: Like right now.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying they shouldn't, but.

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Speaker 2: Some of them I'm looking up right now. The biggest

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Speaker 2: team needs as of today for New Orleans wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: corner guard. Yeah, they could get a wide receiver at

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Speaker 2: number ten, probably could get a corner at number ten,

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Speaker 2: or they could reach for one at number eight.

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Speaker 5: Maybe, But what if the Browns go with an offensive

552
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Speaker 5: lineman at number six? Sure, then they are the Saints

553
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Speaker 5: gonna move out from taking Carneal tape.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think I think one of the more interesting

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Speaker 2: dynamics and something that I've not and we've not seen

556
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Speaker 2: up to this point. They did a three round mock

557
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Speaker 2: draft with with Kuiper and Matt Miller and Jordan Reid

558
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Speaker 2: with Field Yates, and they just took turns alternating picks.

559
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Speaker 2: Listen to how this unfolded. Mendoza, Rhese Maui, Noah Bailey,

560
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Speaker 2: Love Mackay Lemon to the Browns, and then the Commanders

561
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Speaker 2: take Caleb Downs, Saints take Sunny Styles and then in

562
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Speaker 2: this rendition, how about this, they have the Kansas City

563
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Speaker 2: Chiefs taking Kenyon Sadik the tight end out of Oregon.

564
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Speaker 2: So then the Bengals get there at number ten, Matt

565
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Speaker 2: Miller makes the pick. Ruben Bain is on the board

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Speaker 2: and he still goes Mansor Delaney. That's where I would

567
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Speaker 2: have a That's where I would draw the line. If

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Speaker 2: ruben Bain's on the board and they go corner, then

569
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Speaker 2: I would question what the idea would be. Yeah, but

570
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Speaker 2: I think I think moving up to number eight should

571
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Speaker 2: I think it should at least be in the conversation

572
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Speaker 2: and not just the it's not what they do category.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I agree that you should always be in the

574
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Speaker 5: business of making your team better and be willing to

575
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Speaker 5: take risks in order to do that. I just look

576
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Speaker 5: at it through the lens of how they've operated in

577
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Speaker 5: the past and what that might tell us about what

578
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Speaker 5: they're thinking. There have been many times where we have

579
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Speaker 5: seen their evaluations of players and wondered, why is that

580
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Speaker 5: guy ranked so high. I think there's a world where

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Speaker 5: they have Mansord Delanne as the number one player on

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Speaker 5: their board, and I mean that and so if that's

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Speaker 5: the case, if that's the guy you want, if you're

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Speaker 5: the Bengals, and these are the conversations being had the

585
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Speaker 5: number one ranked player on your board is Mansword Delaney,

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Speaker 5: they probably aren't gonna want to move right. If it's

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Speaker 5: you know, Spencer Fanu, or if it's Jermad McCoy, or

588
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Speaker 5: if it's but Ken Dylan Thieneman, they may not want

589
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Speaker 5: to move up because they feel like they don't have

590
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Speaker 5: to to get it. I'm not saying that's all right.

591
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Speaker 5: I'm just saying I think that's the way they look

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Speaker 5: at it.

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Speaker 2: But do you've you that and say, okay, DJ Turner

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Speaker 2: and Dax Hill are talented players. They have a slew

595
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Speaker 2: of issues at linebacker in the defensive line. Can you

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00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: can you justify a corner when you have holes all

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Speaker 2: over the rest of the defense in front of that?

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Speaker 5: It's a different question asking me or asking you than

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Speaker 5: it is asking them, right, because in their minds, they're

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Speaker 5: drafting to replace one of those guys in the event

601
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Speaker 5: that they don't get them signed long term. Yeah. And

602
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 5: they've done that with tackle, They've done that with wide receivers,

603
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 5: they've done that with safeties. Like that is a trend. Yeah,

604
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Speaker 5: So to me, it makes it a much more realistic possibility.

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Speaker 2: We will take our final break of the afternoon Moeger

606
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Speaker 2: stip bangs.

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Speaker 5: The highest rated guy would not be and I hope

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Speaker 5: Al Golden is pounding the table saying, hey, yeah, this

609
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 5: can change our defense. How about that? So let's move

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Speaker 5: up to number seven. Yep, let's move up to number eight.

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Speaker 5: I would just like that conversation to be on the board.

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Speaker 5: I bet it, I bet it will be. Yeah, who's

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Speaker 5: the one to make the decision? Bump bump bom might

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Speaker 5: be Moegar. He's in Indy for the Final Four. I

615
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Speaker 5: would trust Mo.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to him next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's time for a quick hits on Tony Pikes.

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Speaker 3: Since was looking for Mo, we got Mo.

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Speaker 2: He's not in studio today, but we do have Mo

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Speaker 2: for the Mowagger Show, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, MO,

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Speaker 2: what's going on?

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Speaker 6: I'm sitting in a ballroom at a convention center in

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Speaker 6: Indianapolis and we're getting ready to broadcast from Radio Row

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Speaker 6: at the Final Four. Before we talk about that, could

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Speaker 6: I address something that was brought up during talkbacks?

627
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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 6: You had a talkbacker who asked, would you rather skydive

629
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Speaker 6: or ride in a hot air?

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Speaker 3: Blow?

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Speaker 6: And I'm never skydiving. No, I have ridden in a

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Speaker 6: hot air Oh my gosh. My dad, for I think

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Speaker 6: his fiftieth birthday, fiftyeth fifty, first he wanted to be

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Speaker 6: in a hot air balloon, and.

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Speaker 3: We got him more. And I said, you know, we

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00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: got you. I'm sorry.

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00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 6: There's there's a dude here asking me if I want

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Speaker 6: to interview the coach at Liberty and I'm trying to

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Speaker 6: show him away. So my dad for his birthday, we

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Speaker 6: got him a hot air balloon because for years that's

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Speaker 6: all he talked about, I want to ride in a

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Speaker 6: hot air balloon.

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Speaker 3: Like, all right, man, fine, sure.

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Speaker 6: It never occurred to me he would want someone to

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Speaker 6: go with him. I became the person who had to

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Speaker 6: go with him. It is the most terrifying experience of

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Speaker 6: my life. You're just in this little basket thousands of

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Speaker 6: feet above the surface of the earth, and I literally

649
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Speaker 6: like duck down and hid because I couldn't look down.

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Speaker 6: Literally the most terrified. So no to the hot air balloon.

651
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Speaker 2: Is it like windy too? Is it as windy as

652
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: you think it would be there?

653
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's and you're amazingly balanced. Because I thought

654
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 6: like I'm just you're gonna have a hard time.

655
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: Like, no, you could.

656
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 6: You could if you want to walk from one end

657
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 6: of the basket to the other. It's not that long.

658
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 6: This has been fourteen fifteen years. Actually it's been more

659
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 6: in that because my dad's been dead for seventeen years.

660
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: So this is like two.

661
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 6: Thousand, I don't know, two thousand and two, two thousand

662
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 6: and three, somewhere in there. It was awful, and so

663
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 6: I thought, like, the way that I could end the

664
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 6: fright is I could jump out of this thing.

665
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 3: That won't end well.

666
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 6: But no, with experience, no to the hot air boom

667
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 6: comes out like in Bloomington, Indiana or something.

668
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: It was awful. Yeah, now you're on radio row. You're

669
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: not gonna be talking to an assistant coach from Liberty.

670
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: What are you gonna be talking about today?

671
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 6: Well, I do have a special trade for Xavier fans. Oh,

672
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 6: and this is probably gonna hurt me to do this. Oh,

673
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna do it anyway because I believe in

674
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 6: serving the audience.

675
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: Trey Carroll is here, Wow, and I'm gonna talk with him. Okay,

676
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: And I've already made it known Trey.

677
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 6: Make sure Trey knows he's talking to a Bearcat fan,

678
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 6: that's right.

679
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: But he's competing in the NABC.

680
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 6: All Star Game here this weekend, and so I'll spend

681
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 6: some time chatting with Trey, and uh, you know this experience.

682
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: What they do is they they bring.

683
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 6: You like I at some point, I have an obligation

684
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 6: to interview somebody from Warner Ladder, which is the official ladder.

685
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 6: Oh okay of the Final four and literally about twelve

686
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 6: feet from where I am is the ladder they will

687
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 6: use to have the winning team put down the nets.

688
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: So that's going to be really exciting.

689
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 5: Do you want me to up the ladder safety PSA

690
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 5: for you and play it for him and see what

691
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 5: he thinks that we.

692
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 3: Could do that.

693
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 6: So they're they're wheeling some of these coaches through and

694
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 6: I've I've already said wheeling London. Yes to the coach

695
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 6: at Yale. Okay, we'll see, So we'll see who they

696
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 6: give us.

697
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 5: Who's the coach at Yale.

698
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 3: His name is James Jones. He's been there for twenty

699
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: six years. They won the IVY League title this year.

700
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 5: Not the James Jones that played for the Heat.

701
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 6: No, I don't think it's the same guy. Okay, I

702
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 6: don't think so, so we we might talk with him.

703
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 6: We obviously have the Reds at three and three, and

704
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 6: I think the difference between the Reds at four and

705
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 6: two versus three and three feels like more than one game.

706
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 6: It's a very top heavy lineup, which we have to

707
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 6: talk about. I've heard you guys already. We're already doing

708
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 6: the well Reese Hines and save it up, man. We're

709
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 6: really we're stage of the season. Ye, Austin is taking

710
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 6: it and I'm sure an extreme amount of perverse delight

711
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 6: in Emilia Pegan struggles.

712
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 5: No, it's not true.

713
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 6: But more than anything, I am in love with the

714
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 6: ABS system. Jason Williams of The Inquirer doesn't like the

715
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 6: ABS system his column today. It's because it's apparently going

716
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 6: to be bad news for little league umpires. Oh oh wow, okay, Jay.

717
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 5: I get the honor of working with him in about

718
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 5: ten minutes.

719
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: I like Jason and he's a terrific writer.

720
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 6: I just I read that and I'm like, whoo, your

721
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 6: big takeaway is this is going to be bad for

722
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: umpires of nine and under baseball.

723
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: I love the ABS system.

724
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 6: We'll discuss and I am going to give the Bengals

725
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 6: the benefit of the doubt that they probably don't deserve

726
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 6: that and so much more between now and six o'clock.

727
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: Had you ever heard of just Seer Taylor until today? Uh?

728
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: No, but I want to call him just sir.

729
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 5: First time he gets a pick, just sir, sir.

730
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: I could hear a horde already.

731
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you know.

732
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

733
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: Would you rather have your your picture taken in front

734
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: of the clock at GABP or climbing the wrung of

735
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: that ladder to cut down a net?

736
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: Well, that would be kind of cool to climb the ladder. Uh.

737
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 6: I've already had my picture taken in front of the

738
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 6: clock at GABP and that experience was fine. But the

739
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 6: experience of going up that ladder to cut down the net,

740
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 6: I think would be that would be better.

741
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: Well, it's definitely more dangerous than that.

742
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: It is most definitely more more dangerous. It is. It

743
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: is remarkable.

744
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 6: I went to the game yesterday with my kid and

745
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 6: I went to the game too night with buddies, and

746
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 6: both nights, like walking in, there's a lot of people posing.

747
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 6: It has become a photo centerpiece, like families getting their

748
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 6: photo in front of the clock.

749
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: It is, are you fully on board and trying to

750
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: get something done sooner rather than later with south Stewart,

751
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: seeing the trend around Major League Baseball, it's time to

752
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: get this done, correct.

753
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: I'm on board with it. Yeah.

754
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 6: I don't know why Sal would be, but yeah, I

755
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 6: would be. I would be more than on board with

756
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 6: doing with him what they did with Hunter Green and

757
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 6: then listening to people talk about how sal Stewart's overpaid

758
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 6: the first time he goes through like a one for

759
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 6: twelve stretch. But yeah, like it's happened throughout the sport,

760
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 6: and I think it's a smart thing, for smart thing

761
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 6: for teams to do. But you do you kind of

762
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 6: assume some risk with it, right, But I think Sal

763
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 6: Stewart is a that's a risky bet that I would make.

764
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 6: I would love to lock him in under some sort

765
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 6: of cost control deal that basically guarantees that he's not

766
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 6: going to get massive pay raises even if his production,

767
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 6: you know, goes up every single year.

768
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know.

769
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 6: Agents, Yes, without a doubt, but agents don't want their

770
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 6: players to do that for the most part. Would sal

771
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 6: Stewart's agent advise him against it? Would the Reds be

772
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 6: able to compel him to do it. You have to

773
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 6: do these things at times before the players really prove

774
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 6: and establish themselves, and again that comes with some risk.

775
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 6: But I think with Sal Stewart, you, the three of

776
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 6: us have talked about this. Everything they've asked him to do,

777
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 6: he's done, So I would absolutely take that risk of it.

778
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 5: The way I think about it is with Ellie being

779
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 5: the exception, because Ellie might get more money than just

780
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 5: about anybody we'll see. But if you asked Tyler Stevenson,

781
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: if you asked maybe Matt McClain, there were rumors of

782
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 5: negotiations with Nicolodolo as well. If you asked all those

783
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 5: guys if they could go back and take that deal

784
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 5: based off what's happened over the last couple of years,

785
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 5: I wonder if they're kicking themselves at all.

786
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 6: I think with Matt McLain, it's a very fair question

787
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 6: because that was the one where I think it was

788
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 6: talked about most them doing something with him long term.

789
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 6: Tyler Stevenson's interesting. He's almost unless you're getting into the

790
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 6: April fools tom foolery between him and and Tero Francona. Yes,

791
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 6: kind of a forgotten guy and like, not a bad player,

792
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 6: but I just I thought at this stage in his

793
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 6: career he would be a little bit better. Yeah, but yeah,

794
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 6: he was a guy that was talked about as somebody

795
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 6: that you might lock in, you know, for another year

796
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 6: or two post free agency. And you do wonder from

797
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 6: his perspective if he's thinking, man, I should have done

798
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 6: something like that already.

799
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: Before I let you go. Keegan Nicholson joined the show.

800
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 2: At the top of our number three. He said that

801
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: six wins would suffice to keep Scott Saderfield around after

802
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: this year. They're posted totals five and a half, so

803
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: that would be the over I disagree with that. Does

804
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: it take more than six for you to to call

805
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: this upcoming football season to success?

806
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 6: It's really interesting because last year he did what everybody

807
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 6: said he had to do and it didn't feel like enough.

808
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 6: So can he really go backwards from the standpoint of

809
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 6: public perception.

810
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: I don't think the answer is yes.

811
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 6: But I think everybody within, meaning the folks at the school,

812
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 6: view this season as this is the start of the rebuild,

813
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 6: and uh, we don't really have a program identity right now.

814
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 6: There's no team identity right now. And so can we

815
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 6: hold him to more than six victories. I'm gonna guess

816
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 6: if they get to six wins, he's probably the head

817
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 6: coach in twenty twenty seven.

818
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: But I think that's going to be a really hard

819
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 3: sell on people.

820
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 6: And I heard you going through the games and it

821
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: was a pretty optimistic approach based on the schedule, But like,

822
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 6: what do we know they're going.

823
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: To be good at?

824
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 6: Sure, and you could say that about yes, I mean,

825
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 6: what do we know that they're going to be good

826
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 6: at And even if they get off to a fast start,

827
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 6: what looms over it? I think he's what one to

828
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 6: twelve in November, Like that's that's not going away until

829
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 6: it does, and that's not going to to go.

830
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: Away until we get to November.

831
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 6: I think it's really interesting because he's not a very

832
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 6: popular coach, but he did this past season what everybody

833
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 6: back in July said he had to do.

834
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: Does that buy him more time?

835
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,479
Speaker 6: From the school's perspective, I'm gonna guess the answer is yes,

836
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 6: unless this season is a total disaster. But you can't

837
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 6: rule that out because I don't think any of us

838
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 6: know how good or bad they're supposed to be.

839
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: MO have a great show man. We'll talk to you

840
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: again tomorrow.

841
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 3: You will. Thank you.

842
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 5: Thanks Mol.

843
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: The Mulwagger Show is next right here on ESPN fifteen

844
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,959
Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We'll be back again tomorrow, same time,

845
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: same place. Have a great rest of your Thursday, Man

846
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 2: Trouble