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Speaker 1: Starting the mailroom. You'll be successful. That's what Christopher Smithman

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Speaker 1: suggested earlier, and I have an illustration of that right

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Speaker 1: here on the fifty five Cassey Morning Show. Author Michael Minard.

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Speaker 1: Labeled a non college bound man, he was put in

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Speaker 1: Twenty five years later, he was named the company's first

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Speaker 1: with responsibilities in forty four countries. Now labeled as an

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Speaker 1: exemplary creator, he has received fourteen US and multiple international patents,

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Speaker 1: including inventions of infant disposable diapers with elastic legs and

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Speaker 1: sanitary napkins with wings for women. I remember those anyway.

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Speaker 1: He's the author of a book we're gonna be talking today.

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Speaker 1: He's not a doctor, but how did he discover the

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Speaker 1: secret to what is causing all of our collective problems?

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Speaker 1: Described as the third leading cause of death, childhood trauma

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Speaker 1: the name of the book, Greater than Gravity, How childhood

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Speaker 1: trauma is pulling down humanity. Welcome to the fifty five

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Speaker 1: Carsy Morning Show, Michael Minard. It's a real pleasure to

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Speaker 2: Me to be here good morning.

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Speaker 1: So you're not a doctor, and yet this sounds like

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Speaker 1: medical research looking to find the root cause of you know,

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Speaker 1: addiction or what kills us, what causes diabetes? Are we

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Speaker 1: getting the wrong information? It sounds like we are Michael.

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Speaker 2: Well, we have for eternity and it's just an unlikely journey.

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Speaker 2: I'm a I'm an engineer by education, but I'm also

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Speaker 2: I have a mind that solves problems. We all have

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Speaker 2: different gifts, and I connect dots that have never been

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Speaker 2: connected before. And when I decided to write my memoir

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Speaker 2: about three years ago, that's the kite that couldn't fly.

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Speaker 2: And in that I discovered that I and my siblings

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Speaker 2: have we're actually experiencing complex childhood trauma and explained a

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Speaker 2: lot of the dysfunction in my siblings. And that stopped me,

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Speaker 2: started me down the journey of recon I lost two

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Speaker 2: brothers to addiction to heroin. Why them and not me?

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Speaker 2: So that led me on a two year journey that

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Speaker 2: I'm publishing and actually that book is going to be

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Speaker 2: released in about a month. Greater than Gravity and found

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Speaker 2: some shocking data.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, one of the things I've learned from over

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Speaker 1: psychiatry and psychology. Quite often addiction springs from an underlying

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Speaker 1: mental health problem. People are self medicating if they're dealing

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Speaker 1: with generalized anxiety. They feel tense and nervous all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know what, drink something, you know, it makes you

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Speaker 1: mellow out, makes you feel good, and that's what you

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Speaker 1: head straight down the road of addiction. What level trauma

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Speaker 1: students that you go to school with. There's all kinds

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Speaker 2: Out there, great question. There's ten types of classic childhood

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Speaker 2: trauma that have been identifi of the CDC, and they

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Speaker 2: include the ugly facts of neglect, abuse, sexual abuse, a

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Speaker 2: parent having addiction themselves, someone being incarcerated in the home,

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Speaker 2: someone having mental illness in the home. Those ten things

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Speaker 2: are called aces. Adverse childhood experiences. One hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: million adults, that's seventy percent of our adult population have

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Speaker 2: experienced childhood trauma. If you have experienced four or more,

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Speaker 2: which is thirty percent of the nation and the world,

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Speaker 2: everything goes to hell. Everything goes to hell, and it

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Speaker 2: starts at childhood with the excess flows of hormones like

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Speaker 2: not for growth. Mitochondria is destroyed in the brain, which

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Speaker 2: You get mild mental disorders or disease, and those are

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Speaker 2: how do we do that? As children? We begin with

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Speaker 2: addictions as you as early as eight or nine years old,

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Speaker 1: Okay, now what of other disease states. I just use

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Speaker 1: Is there something could you trace that to a traumatic

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Speaker 2: We all have them, but our immune system filters them out.

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Speaker 2: If you've experienced childhood trauma, that system is weakened. And

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Speaker 2: there is a there is a new book by doctor Gibore,

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Speaker 2: I don't know your history, not asking your history, but.

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Speaker 1: But you're saying, yes, very well, it could have been

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, after the memoir, a world renowned psychologist, doctor Schiraldi,

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Speaker 2: and I created a team of experts to validate my data.

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Speaker 2: So it's always there. But the professionals talk to themselves.

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Speaker 2: So the end, the end of the book lays out

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Speaker 2: the solution. And I got to tell you, you're the

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Speaker 2: going to do three things and a very at a

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Speaker 2: very high scale. We're going to raise awareness so people

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Speaker 2: like you might make the connection between your health, your

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Speaker 2: mental state, and your past. Awareness is number one. Number

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Speaker 2: two healing interventions. Now, obviously we can't take your cancer away,

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Speaker 2: we can't take you, but we can improve your ability

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Speaker 2: to heal by doing things that's so simple. Of appropriate, rest,

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Speaker 2: professional help. And there are interventions that are quite efficacious,

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Speaker 2: You know, in a country like Denmark, they have almost

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Speaker 2: off at birth. They have women, they have teams delivering diapers, food, consoling, love.

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Speaker 2: You know, they have this theory of raise your children,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a lot of i would say, single

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Speaker 2: And we could go on, well meaning, well meaning, well

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Speaker 1: Of course, greater than gravity, how childhood trauma is pulling

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Speaker 1: down humanity. By my guest today, Michael Manard, fascinating conversation, Sir,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're onto something. I hope we can discover

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Speaker 1: the source of all this, this tragedy that's out there

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Speaker 1: and got a solution that's in the book. Your book

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Speaker 1: is on my blog page fifty five cares dot com stir,

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Speaker 1: but we can click on it, get themselves a copy

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Speaker 1: of it and learn about it. Michael, it's been a

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Speaker 1: real pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Man, Thank you for having me on. Good luck to you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir, I appreciate it. Eight forty

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