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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Hopefully you're having like the most awesome

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Speaker 3: And it is easy.

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Speaker 2: It is easy to make the comparison between the Reds

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Speaker 3: But I'll do it in the way that I did.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk about the Reds offense in the way that

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Speaker 2: I am stealing it blatantly from our friend Jeremy Row

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Speaker 2: of Fox nineteen. So Hunter Green's season last year was good.

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Speaker 2: It was really good when he was on the mound,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I addressed this early on. I know

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Speaker 4: And there was a comment and some things that went

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Speaker 3: From his beat. So that's not Mark Sheldon.

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Speaker 2: That's a narrative that had been built by people on

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Speaker 3: Good for Hunter Green. Good for Hunter Green, because.

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Speaker 2: When when you start to question someone's effort in their

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Speaker 2: I don't know where this was coming from, that I'm

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Speaker 2: But getting injured is not a character question. Getting injured

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Speaker 2: It put yourself in issues right Like, you're one of

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Speaker 6: Thanks will You're welcome. Little short of breath, just give

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, that's a beautiful thing. I wanted to bring

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Speaker 6: I would. It's all about this health thing. That's all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I I don't know that that matters

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Speaker 6: Now, Yeah, that's true. Why aren't you going to the combine?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 3: Somebody got to pay for it. Yeah, there's an answer.

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Speaker 2: I wish we were broadcasting from the Combine. I mean

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Speaker 6: Fair question, Yes, and what happened to your pussycast list?

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Speaker 3: Who good over? Lost by three points to the six

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Speaker 6: That was a great game, onen're a great game.

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Speaker 3: That was an awesome game. Tip to finish high end basketball.

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Speaker 6: And then let me end with this. You've been doing

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Speaker 2: it back to Shari. Tony Clark is no longer going

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Speaker 2: to be the MLBPA head, which probably enhances the possibility

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Speaker 2: Trey hendrickson Now. College basketball Tonight, Xavier hosts villanov at

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Speaker 2: of the big stories in sports, and we don't spend

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Speaker 2: a ton of time on this here, is the NBA

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Speaker 2: has a tanking issue. And it's very unbecoming when you

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Speaker 2: see teams in early February who are blatantly trying to

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Speaker 2: not win, sitting all of their players in competitive games,

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Speaker 2: all of their good players and competitive games. And it's

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Speaker 2: not just one or two teams, it's like six, seven,

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Speaker 2: maybe eight teams doing so two months before the season

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Speaker 2: comes to an end. And so one of the big

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Speaker 2: questions is how does that league solve its tanking issue?

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Speaker 2: And it's got a tanking issue. My perspective on these

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Speaker 2: things hasn't changed since I was in college. Many have

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Speaker 2: jumped on the bandwagon. I believe sport would be a

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Speaker 2: lot better if we gave every team that wins the

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Speaker 2: championship the first pick in the draft, and the team

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Speaker 2: that doesn't win the championship the second pick in the draft,

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Speaker 2: and the team that finishes with the worst record the

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Speaker 2: last pick in the first round of the draft, and

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Speaker 2: maybe even be better if we didn't have draft to

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Speaker 2: begin with and let the best businesses have the first

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Speaker 2: crack at employees. But whatever, neither of those things are

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Speaker 2: going to happen. But like everybody who covers sports and

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Speaker 2: everybody who covers that league has gotten a column out

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Speaker 2: of this topic, or they've gotten airtime out of this topic,

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Speaker 2: podcast minutes, whatever you want to say, here's the part

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Speaker 2: that none of them will acknowledge. Many, if not most,

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Speaker 2: fans are okay with it when their team tanks. Did

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Speaker 2: you listen to Bengals fans when they won those two

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Speaker 2: games late ish in the season that at least put

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Speaker 2: them on the fringe of the postseason chase, Like late

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Speaker 2: in the year they beat the Ravens on Thanksgiving Night,

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Speaker 2: beat the Dolphins that win itself, the Miami game occurred

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Speaker 2: after they were already eliminated. There were fans who were

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Speaker 2: legitimately pissed off that the Bengals won those games, who

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Speaker 2: didn't understand to a degree why the Bengals were trying to.

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Speaker 3: Win those games.

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Speaker 2: Now, maybe you didn't want to see them blatantly try

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Speaker 2: to lose, but I kind of feel like One of

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Speaker 2: the issues with tanking in all sports in this country

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Speaker 2: is we've normalized to the degree that fans are kind

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Speaker 2: of okay with it. The Reds tanked in twenty twenty two. Now,

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Speaker 2: when I say tanked organizationally, I don't believe the players

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Speaker 2: on the field were trying to lose games. I don't

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Speaker 2: believe the manager, David Bell was trying to lose games.

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Speaker 2: They still lost plenty of games, But the Reds in

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Speaker 2: essence tank that year. We're not really gonna try to

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Speaker 2: make the team any better. In fact, we're gonna unload

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Speaker 2: all the good players we have. The frustration that anybody

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Speaker 2: felt about that was exacerbated when Phil Castellini made his

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Speaker 2: opening day comments where else you're gonna go but the

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Speaker 2: plan itself? I sat here and listened to fans, hardcore

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Speaker 2: Reds fans defend it.

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Speaker 3: That's tanking.

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Speaker 2: It gets repurposed and repackaged as hey, we're rebuilding. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you're tanking. In the middle twenty tens, the Reds tanked.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna trade away Cueto in league. We're gonna trade

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Speaker 2: away Todd Frazier. We're gonna give away a role as Chapman.

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Speaker 2: We're we're not gonna sign anybody really to replace those players.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go cheap on the roster. We're not really

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Speaker 2: gonna make any real attempt to win in the short term.

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Speaker 2: It's a rebuild. It's tanking. Basketball is a little bit

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Speaker 2: different because one player can change your entire team. That's

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Speaker 2: not happening in baseball. One draft can dramatically change your

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Speaker 2: fortunes in the NBA. That's not happening in the short

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Speaker 2: term for the most part in baseball. But like unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: tanking works in the NBA, tanking works in baseball. The

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Speaker 2: Cubs tanked, look what it got him twenty sixteen World Series.

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Speaker 2: The Astros tanked for years. They've been really good for

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Speaker 2: a decade now. There's lots of teams that tank and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work. But I think that, like the fan

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Speaker 2: acceptance of tanking is something that doesn't get written about

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Speaker 2: and talked about a lot. It's only a problem if

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Speaker 2: it really like impacts, And I'm sure there are people

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Speaker 2: who love those teams that are tanking right now and

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Speaker 2: they're not as invested in the day to day of

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Speaker 2: their teams, but they're kind of okay with whatever quick

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Speaker 2: fix there is to get their team back to relevance.

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Speaker 2: I think sports fans for the most part are okay

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Speaker 2: with tanking. I don't know if if sports fans are

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Speaker 2: okay with like the teams not trying to win, and

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Speaker 2: when I say the teams, like the players, you know,

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Speaker 2: blatantly trying to throw games. But organizational tanking I think

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Speaker 2: is largely accepted by fans, accepted and embraced, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: there's a bit of a track record of it working,

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Speaker 2: enough of a track record of tanking working, Like the

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Speaker 2: greatest thing the Bengals have done this century was go

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Speaker 2: two and fourteen in twenty nineteen and lose that game

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Speaker 2: to the Miami Dolphins, which guaranteed they got Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: since they got Joe Burrow. This season was awful, but

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Speaker 2: for the most part they have been relevant. So I

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Speaker 2: by the way, the pole question that sixty percent of

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Speaker 2: you are okay with tanking, and frankly, I think the

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Speaker 2: numbers actually in reality a lot higher. I don't think

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Speaker 2: fans have a big issue with teams tanking. I think

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Speaker 2: paying customers have an issue with not watching the best

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Speaker 2: players at times. I don't think fans have a major

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Speaker 2: issue with a team saying like, our best way of

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Speaker 2: being more relevant is losing, and so we're not going

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Speaker 2: to go overboard and trying to win.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: If you tank and there's no like long term success

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Speaker 2: because of it, fans are gonna throw up their hands

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Speaker 2: and get tired. In twenty eighteen, fans stopped going to

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Speaker 2: Reds games, thirty four year low, but it was at

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Speaker 2: the end of five consecutive non winning seasons and a

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of years where the Reds were not really

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Speaker 2: trying to win.

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Speaker 3: That's tanking again, Like no player was trying.

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Speaker 2: To not win, no manager was trying to not win,

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Speaker 2: but you know, the front office wasn't exactly equipping the

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Speaker 2: team with what they needed to win. So to me,

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Speaker 2: like part of the issue is we've normalized it. It's

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Speaker 2: been accepted, there's a track record of it working. I

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Speaker 2: don't think fans are as anti tanking as many in

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Speaker 2: the media would acknowledge. Thirteen from six vote now at Moegar.

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Speaker 2: Rick Brooring on tonight Xavier Villanova game and look ahead

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Speaker 2: to a hometilt for the NK you Norse as the

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