1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Mazy 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,319 Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 2: Thank you, Al Griffith. There was a horrific, horrific story 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: out of Essex County today and the story that frankly 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: has confused me a little bit. And we are delighted 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: to be joined by the Essex County by the District 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: Attorney of Essex County Paul Tucker, who himself has had 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: a career in law enforcement, former police chief of Salem, Massachusetts. 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:37,319 Speaker 2: And Paul, this is as bizarre a murder case as 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: I can remember. It leads me speechless. Why don't you 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: set it and set it up again? I'm not going 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: to ask you to take phone calls because they know 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: it's an ongoing and a very important investigation. But a 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: sixty eight year old woman, Janet Swallow, mother of two sons, 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: was killed us she slept. I guess it was Wednesday 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: night into Thursday morning in terms of. 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: A test, that's correct. Yeah. 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, great to hear your voice, but 19 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: not under these circumstances. You are the successor to our 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 2: great mutual friend John Blodgett. Yes served in that office 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: for so long, and you were a very worthy successor 22 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: because of your background, there's no way to explain this. 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: Let's just deal. Why don't you tell us what you 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: know at this point and what you can tell us, 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: because I'm sure it's a not gooing investigation. 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: Sure, and thank you Dan, thanks for the invitation. You know, 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: sometimes we try and make sense of the senseless and 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: sometimes there are no words. Yesterday, during the day, the 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: Lynn Police Department received a nine to one one call 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: about a suspicious person acting erradically and the person was 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: armed with a knife. Lynn PD made contact with this person, 32 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: later identified as Anthony Demayo, and during the encounter with 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: the police, because of his behavior on scene on Standers 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: Street in Lynn, they lind p D officers determined that 35 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: he should be taken to Sale Hospital for some type 36 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: of of evaluation. As they talked to him on the scene, 37 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 3: mister Demeayo and now the defendant uh exclaimed that he 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 3: had killed a woman last night the night before in 39 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 3: davers With Armed with that information, lind p D and 40 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 3: State Police detectives assigned to my office went to mister 41 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: Demeayo's residence in Lynn. They executed a search warrant. They 42 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: found clothing there with with what what looked to be 43 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: consistently with blood on a number of items of clothing. 44 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: Information that they that the detectives and limp D obtained 45 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: with some help with some available technology, led investigators to 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: connect with Danvers PD and look in the area of 47 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: what turned out to be seventeen Amherst Street in Davers, 48 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: which is a very quiet neighborhood in a very quiet town, 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: and during a well being check inside they found the 50 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: body of Janet Swallow, sixty eight years old in her 51 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: bedroom and she had been the victim of stabbing. No 52 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 3: items were taking from the home that we could determine 53 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: she lived alone there. And this is just this is 54 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: something that we don't see. It's just so extremely rare, 55 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: and I think that that's what makes it so particularly 56 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: frightening for so many people to be confronted with the 57 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: facts here as they were presented to us. 58 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as we understand it, the victim, Janet Swallow, 59 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: is asleep in bed. I'm sure you probably have a 60 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: better idea of the precise time of her death, but 61 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 2: it was after she had gone to bed on Wednesday 62 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: night and never woke up on Thursday morning. I assumed 63 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: that this young man, Anthony Demayo, must have made some 64 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: sort of spontaneous comments to the police on the way 65 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: to the hospital. They must have been stunned that he would, 66 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: you know, so blithely acknowledge what he had done the 67 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: night before. 68 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, once so munately. Dan We have so 69 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: many individuals that we run into in situations like this 70 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: as people behaving radically. Oftentimes it's some type of the 71 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: mental health issue or substance use disorder. In this particular case, 72 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: to win, police officers did a great job. And due 73 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 3: to the comment, particularly about that he had killed somebody 74 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: in Danvers the night before, obviously that elevated it to 75 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: a different level. And you know, of the folks that 76 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: are struggling with different issues, oftentimes we can get the 77 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: help to them that they need. We've got great resources 78 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 3: and salemen in the Boston area. But when somebody makes 79 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: those comments, clearly the police officers did a good job. 80 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: They followed up under the rules, They got the search want, 81 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: they went to the house, found the evidence continued all 82 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 3: the way through, were able to determine where the home 83 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: was in Davers and made the terrible discovery. 84 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, now there's just two other areas that I'm kind 85 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: of interested in. I wasn't sure if he had stayed 86 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: out all night because again, this the allegation is that 87 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: the murder occurred sometime Wednesday, late Wednesday night early Thursday morning, 88 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: and he is seen walking in this neighborhood back in Lynn, 89 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: you know, in a strange manner and people there are 90 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: a lot of good people there who called nine to 91 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: one one. They saw something and they said something. It 92 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: he was able to, I guess, get back home and 93 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: then he was back out wandering the streets. There was 94 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: a car crash of some sort that he was driving 95 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: a car, and I saw the video on television tonight. 96 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: Is the theory that he went back home after the 97 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: murder and then was driving the car on Thursday morning 98 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: when it crashed into the ravine, and that is what 99 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: also drew people's people to his attention. Is that the 100 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: sequence that you're working. 101 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 3: With, Yeah, that's a that's a part of the summation, Dan. 102 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: But what we've got is we've got some gaps in 103 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: time that were that were trying to fill in, and 104 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: State Police detectives Lynn and Danvers detectives are trying to 105 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: fill in those gaps. The video of the vehicle. Obviously 106 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: it is seen going into the swamp, but there are 107 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 3: a number of time gaps that were trying to figure 108 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: out where this individual was and what he was doing. 109 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: So that's still the full investigation. Now the vehicle has 110 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 3: been recovered from the swamp and we are we are 111 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: in the midst of getting search warrants and getting ready 112 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: to do some testing and and searching of the vehicle. 113 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: There are a number of videos that that people have 114 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: seen out there him walking in the neighborhoods, and I 115 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: did see the one of the car going into the 116 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: swamp as well. But you are correct in there is 117 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: a there was a gap in time that we're trying 118 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: to figure out the exact sequence of what took place 119 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: to the best of our ability. 120 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: I have some idea where well, I know where Danvers 121 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: is and I know that the high school Bishop Fenwick 122 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: is in Pavity, and he lived in Lynn and was 123 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: arrested in Lynn. How far was he from his home 124 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: was he arrested? It is in the neighborhood approximately, Yeah. 125 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's within within a couple of miles in the 126 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: city of Lynn. So stand is to where his address 127 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: is on on Bachelor's Street, and you know, the location 128 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: of Bishop Fenwick is a couple of miles from there. 129 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: In the location in Danvers is a couple of miles 130 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: from there. So it's all within a fairly short area, 131 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: small area. 132 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 2: And we know that he didn't show as I understand, 133 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: he did not show up at school on Thursday morning, 134 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: So he was not seen in school on Thursday morning. 135 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: As I understand that is correct. 136 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: He was not in school Thursday. 137 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: And did his family call in any form of a 138 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 2: missing person's report or was his absence on Wednesday night 139 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: into Thursday morning. No one would have called in and 140 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: said we're missing our eighteen year old son. He's not home. 141 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: I'm not aware of any calls that were made from 142 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: the family that he was missing. There's nothing that I 143 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: have seen. We may be able to develop something further 144 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 3: or that. As of right now, I don't have any 145 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 3: information on that. 146 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: Well, I know it's really early in the investigation. Thank 147 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: you for clarifying a lot of the confusion that I had, 148 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: and I think and our audience had. You just never know, 149 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: as not only as a police officer, but also as 150 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: a district attorney, what will land in your desk the 151 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 2: next day, and I just got to tell you this 152 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: is as bizarre. You know, our eighteen year old's other 153 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: eighteen year old's been convicted of murder or been accused 154 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: of murder, absolutely, but I can never remember one of 155 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: this nature. He had no relationship whatsoever, friendship, family relationship, 156 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: never never had. The only time he spent any time 157 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: with this woman, from what we know now, is the 158 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: time that he climbed in through the window and allegedly 159 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: took her life. 160 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 3: If yeah, if that's correct. And I think that people 161 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: are so puzzled by this, as I said earlier, trying 162 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: to make sense of something that is simply senseless. I 163 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 3: know there's been a number of commentaries on social media 164 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: that everything from different theories to this was a gang initiation, 165 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: so they had a relationship. None of that is true, 166 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: none of it. And to set the record straight, there 167 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: is zero connection between our victim and this defendant, which 168 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: I think makes it all the more frightening. And then 169 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: if you add to somebody in their home, which should 170 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: be the safest place that they should be, in their 171 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 3: bed after bedtime, I think that's what brings this to 172 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: the worst level, and just the awfulness that it's really 173 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: even hard to imagine. 174 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: Well, Paul, I know that there's no district attorney in 175 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: Massachusetts who has more experience in this case, in this 176 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 2: type of case, which is a case of first impression, 177 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: But you have all your experience as a police chief. 178 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: I think of you and Tim Cruz as the best 179 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: das in Massachusetts at this time, and I have every 180 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: confidence that you're going to figure this out and this 181 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: guy will get a fair trial, but he will, in 182 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: some form of fashion be responsible if he has proven 183 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: to have been and to have committed this crime. Whether 184 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 2: he pleads insanity or or is convicted. It's it's it's 185 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: it's an appalling case, and this is the sort of 186 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: stuff police and district attorneys have to deal with. And 187 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 2: for that, you know, thank God there are good people 188 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 2: like you who will take on these assignments. I appreciate 189 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: your time tonight as well. 190 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: Paul, and thanks for the invitation. I appreciate the opportunity. 191 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: Despite this, I hope you have a good Saint Patrick's 192 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: Day weekend, okay, and we'll talk again. I'll keep in 193 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: touch with you on this one, okay, and when we'll 194 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 2: see when you see John Blodger tell them I gave 195 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: him my centim is my best. 196 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 3: Okay, I will do for sure. Thank you, Dan, I 197 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 3: appreciate it. 198 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: Thanks Paul Tucker, the District Attorney of Essex County. Now 199 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 2: what I'd like to do is just open up the 200 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: phone lines. This is an appalling case. There's no motive 201 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: here other than this is what you would call, in 202 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 2: my opinion, a thrill kill. Now that Paul Tucker is 203 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: not with me, I can kind of give you my 204 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: opinion on it. This is what's called the thrill kill. 205 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: This guy said he always wanted to know what it 206 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: was like to kill someone. I can't imagine. I can't 207 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: imagine an eighteen year old, never mind an eight This 208 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 2: is not some kid who was not at a good school. 209 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: Bishop Fenwick is a great high school. I have no idea, 210 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: know nothing about his background, but if the allegations against 211 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: him are true, something is really wrong here. Clearly, this 212 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: is the worst nightmare that this woman who apparently worked 213 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: as from what I've read, was a nurse at the 214 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: Lahy Clinic, spent in Belmont, spent her career helping people, 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: and she dies at the age of sixty eight in 216 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: her bed being attacked by someone she had no knowledge of, 217 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: no relationship, no proximity, uh to to this kid. How 218 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: is it that we are turning out young people who 219 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 2: can engage in this sort of activity. Now, the easy position, 220 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: the easy case to make is mental health, mental health, 221 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: mental health. However, Uh, I find it difficult to believe 222 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: that this would be the first time that someone would 223 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: graduate and go and commit this level of you know, 224 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: just inhumane, inhumane, bizarrely inhumane treatment of another human being. 225 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: It has to be something in this kid's in this 226 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: kid's background, and who if there are people who saw 227 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: it and did nothing about it, they need to be 228 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: brought into the conversation. Uh. If there are those of 229 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 2: you out there who are have have greater insight into 230 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: mental health, the human in mind, how is this possible? 231 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 2: We talk about people in foreign countries, We talk about 232 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: kids who have grown into poverty, kids who at the 233 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: age of five are introduced to guns, weapons, narcotics. This 234 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: kid killed with a knife, and that's how apparently that's 235 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: the murder weapon that he held on to literally caught 236 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: red handed, red handed, with blood on the knife that 237 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: allegedly he used to kill this absolutely totally innocent sixteen 238 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: year old woman Janet Swallow, What will this do to 239 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: her family? What does it do to this kid's family? 240 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: Anthony Demayo eighteen, a senior at Bishop Fenwick High School 241 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: in Peaboty and a resident of win six one seven, 242 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: two four ten thirty six one seven nine three one 243 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: ten thirty. What are we teaching kids in school these days? 244 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: And what are we missing in the student poplation these days? 245 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: Has this kid never done anything? I'd want to talk 246 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: to his friends. I'd want to talk to his family. 247 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: I would like to figure out how many more Anthony Demos, 248 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: how many more ticking time bombs are living amongst us. 249 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: We'll be back on nights Side right after these brief messages. 250 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio SORR. 251 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: Let's go to the phone. Six one seven, two five 252 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. 253 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: This is generally when you have one of these cases, 254 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: you can understand. You don't accept it, but you do 255 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: understand it, and you say, well, this kid gotten wrong, 256 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: got involved with the wrong group. They they influenced him. No, 257 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: this is this is not that at all. This is 258 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: a kid. I would bet you he's a loner, and 259 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: this somehow percolated in his brain for some time. Jeff 260 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: is in Abington. Hey Jeff, welcome to Night's Side. Thanks 261 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: for checking in. This is a strange story, Jeff. 262 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: Story. 263 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: Okay, tell me why. 264 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure didn't you hear about Rob Ryer that story? 265 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's a son allegedly killing his parents. Yeah. I 266 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: don't obviously assume that that should ever happen, but they 267 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: had to have been some deep and and maybe Rob 268 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: Reiner was maybe the son. I forget what the son's 269 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 2: first name is. The dad was Rob Reiner, but the 270 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: son obviously had some deep mental illness, and he he 271 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: took it out on those closest to him. This is 272 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: a woman who, by all accounts, this kid never met. 273 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: He went to the somehow drove around the neighborhood from 274 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 2: and I have read uh and and desired to kill someone. 275 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: And obviously late at night he could have picked the house. 276 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: Who walks around desiring to kill somebody is in their 277 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 4: right mind? 278 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 2: No, not suggesting that at all, but I'm saying, how 279 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 2: does someone get there to that degree? Well, go ahead, 280 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: you're the experts. To go ahead. 281 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 4: I am an expert. You know why I am an expert. 282 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: I have no idea why you're an expert. But you're 283 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: an expert. 284 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: My son has been suffering from almless for thirty five years. 285 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: How is you? How was just how was your son 286 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: doing at this point? If I could ask, okay, when 287 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 2: you say, I understand that, so calm down now, I'm 288 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 2: not I'm not here to insult you. But at the 289 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: same I. 290 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 4: Already did you already did insult me? 291 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that. You've come at me 292 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: pretty strongly here. I'm trying to have a decent conversation 293 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: with you. The point I'm trying. 294 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 4: To make is some surprise, how ignorant you are about 295 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: mental illness. 296 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you something. I may be more 297 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: knowledge about mental illness that then you even begin to understand. 298 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: Tell me about your son. Tell me about your son. 299 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: He's thirty five years old? When did he first? 300 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: Nine years old? 301 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: Nine years old? How? 302 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 4: What? 303 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 2: What were the initial signs? 304 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 4: Psychosis? Depression? 305 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: Okay? Did he was he in I assume he continued 306 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: on in school? Did he do okay? In school? 307 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: Fear? It was a battle. 308 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: He's on medication, fair enough, None of the men's worked. 309 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 4: No the men's work, but through a side effects. 310 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: Okay. Now he graduates from high school, he's getting his independence. 311 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: Did he get into the workforce or did he stay 312 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: at home? What did he do? 313 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 4: If I could ask, he tried the workforce. He couldn't 314 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: handle it. 315 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: Okay. What type of work was he doing? 316 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: If I could ask, he had some good jobs. He's 317 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 4: he's intelligent, but the mental illness discovers he got my 318 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 4: way fair enough. 319 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: Okay. Now the mental illness as you describe it. 320 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 4: Wa, you meant as I describe it. It's mental illness. 321 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: But this variety of mental illnesses. 322 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: Okay. He suffering from schizoph effective disorder. 323 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: Okay, schizophrenia is a top show. 324 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 4: I didn't say schizophrenia. I said schizophrenic disorder. 325 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 2: Okay, So explain to me the difference. You will know 326 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: more about this obviously than I do. What is the 327 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: difference between? 328 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: Is a much more serious illness? Will you constantly need 329 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 4: heavily medicated all every day? If you miss one day 330 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: of medication, you might go out and kill somebody? 331 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: Okay? And schizophrenic disorder disorder? 332 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 4: He is schizophrenic. He can get crazy, but it takes 333 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 4: a while before him to get this really psychonic where 334 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 4: he will will do something very crazy. 335 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: Let me do this. I want to hold you through 336 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: the newscast. We'll pick it up on the other side. 337 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: I got to take a newscast at the bottom of 338 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: the hour. That's an obligation. But I want to hear more. Uh. 339 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: And I also want to know how your son is 340 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: doing at this point. Obviously you took a great deal 341 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: of interest in him this time. 342 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: Didn't he would be in jail or a mental hospital 343 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: because you know it's. 344 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: It's almost you anticipated my words, Jeff. Okay, I'm not 345 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: here to criticize you or make fun of you. Much 346 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: more empathetic to you than you'll ever understand. 347 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 4: Look at that woman who killed her three children. Do 348 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 4: you think she was in the right mind? 349 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: Of course not. 350 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 4: Of course people are calling for the death penalty for her. 351 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: There are some, there are some. Okay, let's take a 352 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: break here. I'll come back to you right after the 353 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: newscast and we'll continue our conversation. I also have a 354 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: couple of open lines six one, seven, two, five, four 355 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. 356 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: I've had Jeff as a call before, and I can 357 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: understand now perhaps better uh some of his frustrations because 358 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 2: he feels that there was nothing in the system to 359 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: help him, or he probably feels that way. I don't 360 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: want to put words in his mouth. I want to 361 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 2: want to hear from him directly, and I also want 362 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: to hear from you. And by the way, we have 363 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: a guest coming up at ten o'clock. So if you 364 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: want to weigh in on this right now or during 365 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: this next twenty five minutes, now it's the time to 366 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 2: call six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty six 367 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Coming back on. 368 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: Nightside, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's 369 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: news radio. 370 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: We're back, Thank you very much, Gripam. We're back talking 371 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: with Jeff and Abington. We are talking with him about 372 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: his own son who's been suffering from mental illness schizophrenic disorder. 373 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: We are talking about this case in Danvers where an 374 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: eighteen year old, for no apparent reason, climbed in through 375 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: the window of a woman's home in Danvers Thursday morning, 376 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: Wednesday night, Thursday morning and stabbed her to death. He 377 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: was spotted that day that this yesterday, wandering around in 378 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: his hometown of Lynn with a knife in his hand, 379 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: drew attention. The police picked him up. He made some 380 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 2: what you would call a spontaneous utterance, an acknowledgement that 381 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: he had killed a woman in Danvers. Police did a 382 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: search warrant on his house found some bloody clothes. According 383 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: to Paul Tucker, Essex County DA, who we talked with 384 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: during the first half hour of this nine o'clock hour, 385 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: Jeff is our first caller. So, Jeff, let me come 386 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: back to your situation with your son. I asked the question. 387 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: So your son, I think you said, is thirty five 388 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: years old. 389 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: He's forty one. 390 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: Forty one, okay, fine, and he's been struggling with this 391 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 2: since he was nine. 392 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 4: Yes, thirty hospital ovations. 393 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: How many thirty thirty that's over that's over a thirty 394 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: year period, average once once a year. Is there anything 395 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: that conceivably can be done for him medically? Is that? 396 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 2: Is there medications that that we should be available that 397 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: aren't available it's refusing to take Yes, okay? And why 398 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 2: are those medications not being made available to him? 399 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 4: Well right now they are because my advocate, the doctors. 400 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: Your advocacy. Yes, okay, So he's okay. 401 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: The real villains. Here are the doctors. They are the 402 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 4: real villain. 403 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: That's a broad brush tell us why. 404 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 4: Because if my son says to the doctor, I don't 405 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: want to take this medication anymore, the doctor will say, Okay, 406 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 4: you don't have to take it anymore. Okay. He can't 407 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 4: force them to take the medication. 408 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: So here's my question. What should be the response of 409 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: the doctor, uh in your opinion? And how does the 410 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: doctor enforce that response, assuming. 411 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 4: He ever has different laws. The more liberal state, the 412 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 4: more liberal the doctors. And if you go to the cells, 413 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 4: metal is treated a whole lot different and you don't 414 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: see these things happen as much down in the South. 415 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 2: That's tough to quantify it. You know, Jeff, you and 416 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: I have taught before, so I'm familiar with your philosophical 417 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: viewpoint and I'm not going to in any way, shape 418 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: or form to discuss that or dispute that. What I'm 419 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: trying to say, if you don't. 420 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 4: California, New York, Massachusetts. 421 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 2: Right, but they're very bad. They're a bad thing that 422 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 2: I think. I'm not trying to get it. Here's what 423 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get at, Jeff, Jeff and I again, 424 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to just I don't want to take 425 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 2: you in a direction you don't want to go. 426 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 4: You can't ask me any question you want. 427 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: My question is this, if the doctor says to your son, 428 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: you should take this medication, and your son or anyone 429 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 2: says no, I'm not going to take the medication. If 430 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: if the doctor has no way to enforce that until 431 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: that take your son out of the equation for a moment, 432 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 2: until that patient does something like this eighteen year old 433 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: allegedly did, and at that point he goes directly into 434 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: the criminal justice system. What are you suggesting needs to 435 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: be done that when a doctor says to a patient, 436 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 2: you got to take these meds to basically, you know, 437 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: keep your life in order, and that person says, as 438 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 2: I'm not taking the meds, what authority should the doctor have. 439 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 4: Go through a whole legal process called the guardianship. 440 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: No understand what it is, but I'm asking you what 441 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: should the doctor be permitted. 442 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 4: To do to the family more The patients can fool 443 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 4: the doctor's very easy. 444 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: I get that. 445 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 4: But my question is. 446 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: He's my question, Jeff, this is an actual question, So 447 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: bear with that. I'm trying to say to you when 448 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: you get to what should they be able to do? 449 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 4: Should they be able to get more involved in legal action? 450 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: If I say to the. 451 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: Doctor what type of legal action? Should the doctor have 452 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 2: standing to go into court and say, this is my patient. 453 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: I want to breach doctor patient privilege and I want you, 454 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: your honor Judge so and so, to order this individual 455 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: to ingest this medication on a daily basis or whatever 456 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: the schedule is, and if he refuses to, he should 457 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 2: be committed. Is that I I don't think we're going 458 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: to get to that point in Massachusetts, which I think. 459 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 4: In Massachusetts you said the right words in Massachusetts. But 460 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 4: if I go into to the doctor and I go 461 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 4: into every point with my son and the doctor hates 462 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 4: my guts, and the doctor is a total idiot, and 463 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: I say to him, my son threatened to stab me 464 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 4: last night, and the doctor does nothing about it. 465 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: Okay, well, maybe the doctor would say to you, I'm 466 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 2: just a hypothesies what happened. Let me let me, let 467 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 2: me just hate me. Finish the question. So your son 468 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 2: has threatened you with stabbing you, which is obviously not 469 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: good in front of a police officer. Why did the 470 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: police officer not. 471 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 4: Not in front of the police officer. He said it 472 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 4: to me. 473 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 2: Okay, So now you go into district court and you 474 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: take out a complaint against your son, that's the process 475 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: we have in Massachusetts, and you have a clerk's hearing. 476 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to do that? 477 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 4: Yes? And I lost? 478 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Well, I don't know what else I can 479 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 2: tell you, because. 480 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 4: If I'm telling you you you have why don't you 481 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 4: have some psychiatrists on They don't want it. First of all, 482 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: they don't want to take on tough cases. They just 483 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 4: want to hear the easy cases. 484 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, again, I think if I could be so bold, Jeff, 485 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 2: I think you're painting with a little bit of a 486 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: broadbrush here to. 487 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 4: You, and you refer to people with mental illnesses not jobs. 488 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 4: Is that what they taught you in law school? 489 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm you're not taught that phraseology in law school. 490 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: But when you're doing a talk show, okay, and someone 491 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: does what this guy did last night to this innocent 492 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: woman who never had crossed paths with him, Okay, Uh, 493 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: you know again, I'm a little more careful. But when 494 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: when when someone I use the word I use those words, Jeff? Uh, 495 00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: someone goardedly and advisedly. Okay, I think that I've referred 496 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: most recently, I've used those words to the clerics in 497 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 2: Iran who shoot down and kill people on the streets. 498 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 4: I've heard, You've heard many many people you've referred to 499 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: look to them as nutjobs. 500 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: No, I do refer sometimes. I will use that language, Yes, Jeff, 501 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: I will use that language to someone whose behavior, whose 502 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: behavior is so I look at the guy who last night, 503 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: yesterday afternoon, went into Old Dominion College, asked the class 504 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: if they were r O TC and when they said yes, 505 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: he decided to shoot and kill the professor. 506 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: That's a whole different story. 507 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: Well, that's a terrorist, but he's also a nutjob arguably, Jeff, 508 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: we've gone on very long here. 509 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 4: He knew exactly what he was doing. 510 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: He's a Jehavist, he's he's a terrorist, but he's also, 511 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: by my standards, a complete nut job to do something 512 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: like that. Jeff, Look, we've had had difficult conversations before. 513 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: I know that politically we're not on the same page. 514 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: And I know that we've had conversations before. This conversation 515 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: let me finish, Jeff, Please, this conversation today makes me 516 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: understand the difficulty that you've faced. I kind of imagine 517 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: the pain that it has caused you and your family. 518 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: It could happen to any one of us. And I 519 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: think that what you should do, besides continuing to care 520 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: for your son, would be to try to work with 521 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: the legislature and see if the law can be changed 522 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: so that And I've had friends of mine, and I 523 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: have friends of mine who who you might even know, 524 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: relatively well known people not Rob Reiner, but in that category, 525 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: who have been threatened by their own children. And it's frightening. 526 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: It's frightening that it can. 527 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: All people are hospitalized with mental almost that all other 528 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 4: diseases combined, yet it still has this sick this stick 529 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with him or as you say, they're 530 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 4: not you. 531 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that statistic. There's a lot of 532 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: people in this country who are hospitalized and. 533 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 4: Medical care phone and look up for Dan sickles too. 534 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 4: I don't know who he is. 535 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 2: I have no idea who he is. Send me some 536 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: information who he is. I don't know. I don't, Jeff, 537 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't, Jeff. Okay, So you're correct, you 538 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: know a lot about this more than I do, because 539 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: of your horrific experience. I'm trying to display some empathy 540 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: to you which you are not even willing to consider 541 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: or accept. And you're going to try to tell me 542 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: about somebody, I'll I'll mention someone to your name to you, 543 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: someone's name to you, and you will know I'm not 544 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: here to embarrass you. I'm here to treat you with respect, 545 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: which is a hell of a lot more than you've 546 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: given me during this phone call. We'll be back on 547 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: night's side six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty 548 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I actually 549 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: do have empathy and sympathy. I kind of imagine as 550 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: a dad what Jeff has gone through. He has been 551 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: a very difficult phone caller over the years. He's always 552 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: welcome to continue and engage in conversations. Once he took 553 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: it to the personal level that he took it to, 554 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: I allowed him to be much more insulting than he 555 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: normally is. But I reach a point with someone where 556 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: it's apparent to me that no matter what I say 557 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 2: to him, he was not going to be counseled or 558 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: consoled by me. I was about to suggest what he 559 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: should really do is turn his frustration into some positive action. 560 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 2: Get together with people at the legislature and see if 561 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 2: he can change the law. A revolutionary suggestion. Maybe if 562 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: the law had been changed, maybe this woman, this innocent 563 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 2: woman in Danvers, Janet Swallow, would still be alive tonight. 564 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside right after this. 565 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 566 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: Okay, going to try to get two callers in, starting 567 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: with Eric and Natick. Eric. Next on Nightside, Gretta Hitcher. 568 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 5: Good eating Dan. How are you? 569 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: Uh? Well, I'm doing okay under the circumstances. Go right ahead. 570 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 5: Well, actually that's the reason why I called. 571 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 4: Uh. 572 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 5: As soon as they get out of work at night, 573 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 5: I always pop on your radio station or your show, 574 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 5: And I was actually calling to defend you from and 575 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 5: I'm and I'm only joking, but from the nut job 576 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 5: because it's one of those things. First of all, I 577 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 5: think nutjob is a generic term. Yes, I feel like, 578 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 5: whether you have mental illness or not, people get called 579 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 5: nut jobs all the time. People have called me a 580 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 5: nutjob in my life. It's it's just a terminology that 581 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 5: people use. It doesn't mean no one's personally being attacked 582 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 5: by using the term nutjob because and that and that. 583 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: Was and I was essentially trying to be as empathetic 584 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: as I could with Jeff as possible. He is, He's 585 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: been a caller to the show, and many times we 586 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 2: argue off of politics. He's very far to the right, 587 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 2: and I fer sometimes that the people who are way 588 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: off to the left or right as political nut jobs. 589 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 2: But he just he just he wanted to have a fight, 590 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: so would have a fight. But thank you, thank you 591 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: for calling. And I was actually trying to be as 592 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: empathetic as I possibly could be with him, because I 593 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 2: can't imagine the hell that he must have been through 594 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 2: as a dad with a son dealing with such severe 595 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: mental illness. And I was trying to make a suggestion 596 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 2: to help him. 597 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 5: I know you were, and that's why I was kind 598 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 5: of calling in your defense, because you did the best 599 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 5: you could to try to play on a level playing 600 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 5: field with him and try to offer alternatives. And I'm 601 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 5: sorry that doctors don't do that, but as when when 602 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 5: we when we live in America where people free rights, 603 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 5: you can't force someone to put a pill down your mouth. 604 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, one of the things was. 605 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 6: To do you have to go to a judge, or 606 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 6: you don't have to go to the police station and 607 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 6: file a complaint and say that my son is mentally 608 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 6: ill and he needs to be you know, you need 609 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 6: to force him to do this or he's going to 610 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 6: hurt someone. 611 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if if someone threatens What some people don't 612 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 2: understand is that if someone threatens you, that's called assault. 613 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: If they threaten you and touch you or push you, 614 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 2: that's assault and battery. Those are two different crimes. And 615 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: if his son did threaten him, as he said, he 616 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 2: had a right to go and take out an assault complaint. Now, 617 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 2: I don't know what the circumstances are there. It's it 618 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 2: gets very very dicey. Obviously within a family. I understand 619 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: that he he made reference to the to the the 620 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 2: murder of Rob Reiner and his wife by by the 621 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: son of their of theirs that was that's a different 622 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: story because there was obviously an animis that existed between 623 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: the son and the parents for a son to do 624 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 2: something like that. In this case, this woman had never 625 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 2: met this guy. Last night and I was trying. 626 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 5: To I was trying I just heard about and it's 627 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 5: a tragedy. 628 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: Oh, it's unbelievable. It's it's it's it's literally the nightmare 629 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: that everyone would have. You know, sometimes you have a 630 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 2: case where someone who's in to rob a place and 631 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: the person gets up and they fight, don't take my jewelry, 632 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 2: and something happens totally unacceptable. But she's asleep. He could 633 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: have gone in and done whatever he wanted in terms 634 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: of robbing the house, take the TV set. She wakes 635 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: up in the morning. Eric, thank you, I very much 636 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 2: appreciate your call. 637 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 5: I appreciate no, I appreciate you, thank you, thank you much. 638 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: Let me go to Judy and Milton. Judy, you're next 639 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 2: on Nightside. 640 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 7: Welcome, Hi there, Judy. Just giving a call, I realized 641 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 7: it's like a very emotionally charged issue with mental illness 642 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 7: and people's loved ones. And as you were trying to 643 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 7: be empathetic to Jeff, I feel that empathy for him too, 644 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 7: because it comes from frustration and as I'm sure sure 645 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 7: there was a lot of hurt and painful memories for 646 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 7: him and his son, and I think what he was 647 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 7: trying to get at is frustration comes from a sense 648 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 7: of not having any control, and everybody wants to have 649 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 7: control over their self, their kids, their life, and when 650 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 7: that you lose control and its spirals out of control. 651 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 7: You just don't know what to do. You get angry 652 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 7: and hurt, and I feel like there's also too many 653 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 7: people with problems and not enough help. Not enough people 654 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 7: are doctors or nurses. There's still plenty of doctors and nurses, 655 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 7: but there's a shortage. But the problem becomes that once 656 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 7: they write those prescriptions, you're out the door living your life, 657 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 7: and you know they don't have a way to regulate 658 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 7: that or be on top of you unless you're institutionalized. 659 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one of the things that we did in 660 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 2: this state in the nineteen eighties, it was a judgment. 661 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: We closed a lot of the institutions. And the underlyingmosophical 662 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 2: point of view is that people should have the right 663 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: to live their lives the way they want them. And 664 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 2: there are people who live their lives who choose to 665 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 2: live outside, who are homeless. They choose to in some 666 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 2: cases it's associated with alcohol and drugs and mental illness, 667 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 2: no question, But there are some people who don't want 668 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 2: to sleep in a shelter because they're concerned for their 669 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 2: own physical safety. It's very complicated, it's very complicated. There 670 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 2: are people who spend the better people than me, who 671 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 2: spend their lives trying to help these people, and there 672 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 2: are organizations, and I just have hoped that if Jeff 673 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: is still listening, he will reach out to people. And 674 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: there are legislators at the state House who actually might 675 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 2: not be on the same page with Jeff politically because 676 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: he is a very conservative, right wing guy from my 677 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 2: previous conversations, And there might be some legislators out there 678 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 2: with whom he would disagree with politically, but who would 679 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 2: help him and could erect him and guide him towards 680 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 2: organizations that might share the same concerns that he has. 681 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 2: That's where I was trying to guide him, but it 682 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: was it didn't work tonight, Gabe, you to work. 683 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 7: Your good intentions were very obvious. You know it came 684 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 7: through that you were trying to be sympathetic towards him. 685 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 7: I think that the problem too is we can't even 686 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,959 Speaker 7: whether whether people are on medication or not. We can't 687 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 7: control the actions of others, no. 688 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 2: Question, Judy, I hate to do this year. I wish 689 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 2: you had called a little earlier, but I'm flat out 690 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 2: of time, and I have a guest on the other 691 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 2: side of the ten o'clock news. Please continue to listen, 692 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 2: continue to call the program, and help us work through 693 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 2: these problems together. Thank you very much. 694 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 7: Thank you. 695 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 3: Have a good night, you two, good night. 696 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 2: Here comes to ten back right after the ten and 697 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about parking scams. This is an 698 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 2: interesting conversation. Stay with us.