1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm YOUBSY Boston's Radio. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: Well, there was an interesting poll that was conducted by 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: Dave Paleologus of Suffolk University conjunction with Boston Globe. Poll 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: of five hundred Redish voters in Massachusetts, conducted in late November. 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: Margin of era four plus and minus four point four percent. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Uh at Dave the portion of the poll. First of all, 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: welcome back to Nightside, mister Paleologus, how are you doing. 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 3: It is great to be here. 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: I'm well, yep, it'sund great. It's always so. I caught 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: a lot of this. It was a pretty comprehensive poll, 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: dealt with favorability ratings of politicians and all that. But 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: in the last twelve months, you asked voters in Massachusetts, 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: have you considered leaving Massachusetts because of the cost of 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: living here? Yes or no? Pretty simple question. A third 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: of them, thirty two point four percent, said yes. I 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: found that to be a very surprising number because you 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: qualified it. You didn't say have you ever thought about 18 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: leaving Massachusetts? You said in the last twelve months. Were 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: you surprised by that response? That the number of people 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: who have actually admitted to thinking about it in the 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: last twelve months. 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: Oh totally, you know, in the last twelve months. And 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: it's not a totally a political thing, a presidency thing, 24 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: because you know, the last twelve months we've had two 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: presidents technically, but when we've were spoiled. When you think 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 3: of Massachusetts as the state where healthcare is number one, hospitals, education, biotech, 27 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: for that many people one in three to say that 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 3: they're considered leaving here because of the cost of living 29 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: was an eye opening finding and it kind of matches 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: some of the other questions on the economy too. But 31 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: just that one question alone, you know, kind of broke 32 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 3: along party lines where you know, more Republicans say they 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: would want to leave than Democrats. That can be expected. 34 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: But even among independence then, I mean it was almost 35 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: four and ten, it was thirty seven percent of independence 36 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: and as you know, Independence make up two thirds of 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: the registered voters in. 38 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: That Yeah, that's the point. The Republican parties like eight percent, 39 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: so at this point almost their viewpoints are relatively irrelevant. 40 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: But when you start talking about the independence saying forty percent, boy, 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: that's that's that's that is a big number. And there's 42 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: all sorts of issues. You know, inflation and the cost 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: of living. Well, is inflation worse here than it is 44 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: elsewhere in the United States. I mean, you weren't asking 45 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: people if they were thinking of leaving the country. You 46 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: ask you if they were leaving Massachusetts. Now, maybe some 47 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: in there might be thinking about leaving the country, but 48 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: I suspect most of them were looking to either go 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: north through New Hampshire or south to Florida, or to 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: Tennessee or to Texas. 51 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and we probed a little bit about 52 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: individual household budgets and when your listeners are thinking about, like, 53 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: what's the biggest strain right now on your household budget, 54 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: we throw in utilities just as an afterthought. I mean, 55 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: most of the issues were the technical issues childcare, housing, groceries, healthcare, 56 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: and so on. I didn't expect utilities to be the 57 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: number one issue. I mean, we threw it in because 58 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: there was a lot of social media activity about utilities 59 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: to come and existing being high, and that did resonate 60 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: with Republican voters, but it was high among independents as well. 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: Twenty one percent were citing utilities as as a real 62 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: problem and a financial strain in the budgets of people 63 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: right now. And I expected going into this question that healthcare, 64 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: you know, which was number two, or housing, which was 65 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: also timed with number two, to be right at the top, 66 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: but that wasn't the case. 67 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. Twenty one percent 68 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: said utility is the biggest strain, and I guess that's 69 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: understandable because that is the groceries. You can control groceries 70 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: a little bit. Healthcare is controllable. You're housing cost of 71 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: fairly fixed. But yeah, it's the utilities that all of 72 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: a sudden last winter we saw so many big spikes 73 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: in electricity and heat, all the stuff that you need 74 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: during the wintertime. So it's you know, we've been losing 75 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: people for a long well, we haven't been losing people, 76 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: but we've been losing representation in Congress. I remember when 77 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: I was a kid, we had sixteen members of the House. 78 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: We're now down to nine. So our delegation in the 79 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: House has been cut in half. And the more people 80 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: that leave, and we've had an outflow of people leaving Massachusetts, 81 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: no suggestion that's going to stop. I don't think the 82 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 2: politicians particularly care about it, as long as the people 83 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: who are left elect them. It's never been an issue 84 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: in any of the campaigns that I can remember, can 85 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: you no? 86 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: And you know, when you look when I looked first 87 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: looked at the cross tabs, and I was looking at utilities, 88 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: you know, it was only seventeen percent saying utilities, which 89 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 3: is still high among Democrats, and thirty three percent among Republicans. 90 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: But it really didn't split that way when you looked 91 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: at race, and when you looked at a combination of 92 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 3: both black and A span voters, it was over thirty 93 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: percent utilities, not twenty one. And so you know, these 94 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: these kinds of financial strains are hitting people all across 95 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 3: the board. 96 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: But the Republicans aren't here in the state. Then they 97 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: don't have enough people in the legislature to say we're 98 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: going to file a piece of legislation. I mean, that's 99 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: that's the weakness of the two party system. We have 100 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: a one party system in Massachusetts, so we basically there's 101 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: no reason for the Democrats to get particularly concerned about it. 102 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: What are they going to do? Why they're in control 103 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: in both the House and Senate. Again, I'm not looking 104 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: for you to advocate for a two party system, but 105 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: we have really a two party system, Democrats and unenrolled, 106 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: not Democrats and Republicans. 107 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 4: Yeah. 108 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: Well, I was just gonna say that's the sleeping giant. 109 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't realize this, but Massachusetts 110 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 3: has the highest percentage of independent voters of any state 111 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: in the country. It's sixty seven percent. So that's why 112 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: Republican governors get elected in Massachusetts from time to time, 113 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: because those candidates can tap into independence. It's not the 114 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: Republicans that can save the day in Massachusetts, it's those 115 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: independent voters. And independent men in Massachusetts tend to be 116 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: a little bit more concerntive than independent women. 117 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: And by the way, it's it's more frequently than people realize, 118 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: because when you go back you have obviously Charlie Baker 119 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: most recently, but Mitt Romney, Paul Salucci, Bill Weld. We've 120 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: had more Republican governors in the last let's say, three 121 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: or four decades than we've had democratic governors. I mean 122 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: Mike County. 123 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. And the way that that happens is again 124 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: it is linking Republicans. Is they basically do polling and 125 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: they link Republicans and independence where they agree most on 126 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: a battery of issues and then they make those the 127 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: Lynchkin issues. What devout Patrick did and what more Heally 128 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: did was the opposite. Those candidates were able to link 129 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: issues that were important to Democrats and independence and make 130 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: them their coalition. 131 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: Let's do this on Dave. Let's let's get some phone 132 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: calls if people would like to ask questions about this 133 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: poll or other polls. There's a lot more in the 134 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: poll in terms of the favorability unfavorability. It was interesting 135 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: as I looked at all the different numbers of the politicians. 136 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: This was before Iana Presley chose not to run for 137 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: the Democratic Senate nomination, which that sigh of relief your 138 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: head was coming from Senator at Markey. She she would 139 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: she was leaving in a three way race Presley, Marky, 140 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 2: and Seth Moulten, and without her there, you know, Markey 141 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: has a very comfortable lead on Seth Moulten. And it 142 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 2: just shows that in Massachusetts we're not going to see 143 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: many changes in the in the next year or so. 144 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: I don't think based upon what I'm seeing right now, 145 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: and I'd love to know what you think. So I'll 146 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: ask you that when we come back, and we'll leave 147 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: it open to other questions, uh, political questions or otherwise 148 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: economic questions. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty 149 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty. If you'd 150 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: like to be speak to a pollster and maybe even 151 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: take a little mini poll as to some of the 152 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: questions that we're here, love to have you join the conversation. 153 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: This is the state where we all have chosen to live, 154 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: at least for now. And uh, it looks as if 155 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 2: beer had been We've had an outflow. We've had out 156 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: migration in Massachusetts for the last few years. I don't 157 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: have the numbers in front of me, but I can 158 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: tell you traditionally more people leave Massachusetts than come and arrive. 159 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: Even though we have all these great colleges, college and 160 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: universities where people come from all over the country to 161 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: go to colleges on either side of the Charles River. 162 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: To College is in in in suburbs, Baps and and Tofts, 163 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: great schools and Williams and Amherst and UMass all the 164 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 2: new mass schools. They're coming, but they're not staying. 165 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 4: Uh. 166 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: Six seven thirty, six, one, seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. 167 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: Back on Nightside with your calls and questions for Dave 168 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: Paleo Logus Suffolk University poster. He does a lot for 169 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 2: a variety of media outlets. This particular poll was in 170 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: conjunction with the Boston Globe. Coming back on Nightside. 171 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio, we're. 172 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: Joined by Dave Paleo logus poster for Suffolk University. Also 173 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: he is often a pollster with Suffolk University in conjunction 174 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: with the Boston Globe. And we're talking about a statistic 175 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: that I find really interesting. I think Dave does as well, 176 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: that in the last twelve months, some one third of 177 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: those polls said they have considered leaving Massachusets is because 178 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: of the cost of living here. Simple yes or no answer, 179 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 2: Yes thirty two point four percent, No, sixty seven point 180 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 2: six percent. I think that's an extraordinary number. Dave Paleologus, 181 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: let's get some phone calls. Let me go first to 182 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: Jack and Newton. Jack, you were on with Dave Paleologus 183 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: talking about the poll and the Globe, and I think 184 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: kind of a shocking statistic that a third of the 185 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: gunwealth of Massachusetts have thought about leaving the base state 186 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: in the last year. 187 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 4: Welcome yea how you doing, mister Pealeogus. You yeah, I think, well, 188 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 4: I'm one of those people, you know, the one and 189 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 4: three that have thought of leaving. And I've lived here 190 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: forty years, even longer than my previous city, Milwaukee. And 191 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 4: it's economics. I'm eighty years old. I do work, but 192 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 4: I have, you know, kind of a fixed income in 193 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 4: terms of Social Security and whatever. And if I even 194 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 4: have a two point eight percent mortgage for thirty years 195 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 4: or twenty five, but I might leave. I mean, what's 196 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: what protects me is I only pay eight hundred and 197 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 4: forty four dollars for a mortgage. That's you know, P 198 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: I T I, principal interest, taxes and insurance. But the 199 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: taxes are going up. They live in Newton, so I leave. 200 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: But it's the insurance that's also going up. And also 201 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 4: not only that, the insurance on cars, insurance on my condo. 202 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 4: So it's not medicine. I'm covered by Medicaid. It's the 203 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: you know, the increase almost every year. You know, it's 204 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 4: not I'm worried that my Social Security won't cover that monthly. 205 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 4: Not this we call it. They said, I mean that's 206 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 4: the thing. 207 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: Well, that's a that's a, that's an amazing city. You 208 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: live in Newton. I mean that's that's a world class 209 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: And I would just ask where would you go? Where 210 00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 3: would you move? 211 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: Two? 212 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: And how would that all work logistically? 213 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: Well? Where can I move? I mean, as you get older, 214 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 4: you're affected by the cold, So probably would you moved 215 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: to a warmer climate, not Florida. I don't like Florida, 216 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: but I don't know North Carolina or something. But I'm 217 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 4: a kind of a New Englander, you know. I mean 218 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 4: I like New England. I like the cold even sometimes, 219 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 4: but that's a real My children. My daughter lives in 220 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 4: Rhode Island. My son might have moved also, but he 221 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: got a good mortgage rate and lives in Tewksbury. I 222 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 4: noticed in your police the people like from eighteen to 223 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: twenty five are leaving and I want to leave, and 224 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: people sixty five and older. And I believe that younger 225 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 4: people because the rents are so high, and the older 226 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 4: people because if they're going to fix the income, the 227 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 4: expenses are getting too high. Plus uh, plus the code. 228 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: I think the weather. It's an issue also. Those are 229 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 4: the two groups that are and I really believe that 230 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 4: it should be a political issue. The politicians really should 231 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 4: face it. And I'd like to ask, you know, what 232 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 4: can we do about these, you know, issues like utilities politically, 233 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 4: especially utilities. I agree with Dan some of the other 234 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: things that can't change to reefily, but you know, utilities 235 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: and also rent too, but utilities, how can we Well. 236 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 5: I think there's political decisions politically, Jack, Jack, the political 237 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 5: decisions made where Governor Heays was very proud a couple 238 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 5: of years ago that she had stopped some gas pipelines. 239 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: So you had that pressure on a democratic governor. Now 240 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: with with the cold coming at us, quicker she's saying, well, 241 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: I didn't really say that, Yes she did, because we 242 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: have the miracle of videotape. So we you know, if 243 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: we if we have fewer gas pipelines, then there's fewer 244 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: supplies that are that are immediately available. You know. You know, 245 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: those are political decisions that that have cost us in 246 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: other parts of the country. You know, the governor might 247 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: be a little bit more friendly to you know, you know, 248 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 2: he goes back, it goes back fifty years, Jack. Everybody 249 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: was remember when they hit Seabrook demonstrations up at Seabrook. 250 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: Nobody the demonstrators clamshellow lines they move didn't want nuclear power. 251 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: We found out now that nuclear power is safe and 252 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: and there's some countries around the world, like France that 253 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: rely on nuclear power, and I'm sure they're cost her 254 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 2: a lot more reasonable than ours. I mean, I just 255 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: think it's bad decisions. 256 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 4: Well, the Globe Articla, I think talked about the infrastructure 257 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: that we're paying for this infrastructure. I don't know what 258 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: that me and mister Pella logan is. Why is that 259 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: the infrastructure those pipelines, I didn't quite understand that. 260 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: They if they're old, they got to get repaired, got 261 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: to be. 262 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 4: Repaired, upgraded, And so we are paying increased rates because 263 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: of the repairing the infrastructure. 264 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, who else is going to pay for that? Jack? 265 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: Right? Otherwise it's a health has are not explaining this 266 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 4: to us, and I think it's going to be a 267 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: big issue. 268 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like your car jack. If you keep your 269 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: car as I keep my cars long, there comes a 270 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: point in time where the repairs force you to say, well, 271 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: I got to bite the bullet and get another new 272 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: car here. I mean, you know, yeah, same principle. 273 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 4: I'd like to know what we could do politically about it. 274 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: But well, if you had if you had a two 275 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: parties safe, you might have some Republicans up there will 276 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: come up with ideas and proposals that would have a 277 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: chance of passing. I don't know. I remember a long 278 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: time ago being on an airplane with Governor Hugh Gallon 279 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: of New Hampshire was a Democrat. This is got to 280 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: be in the early nineteen eighties and we were at 281 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: the back of the plane talking about hydro power from Quebec. 282 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: It's taken forty years for us to get any hydro 283 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: power from forty five years to come get hydro power 284 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: from Quebec coming into Massachusetts into New England. And Hugh 285 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: Gallen a Democrat, and Nick rother Dave I'm sure remembers 286 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 2: Hugh Gallan. He was, you know, much more of a 287 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: centrist Democrat that a Democrat could get elected governor in 288 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: New Hampshire. He was open to that possibility. 289 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 4: We you know, I'm going to talk to my Democratic 290 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: state reps in Newton, Brookline, other places. I don't care. 291 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going to tell them, I don't care 292 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 4: if you're a Democrat or what. We got to reduce 293 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 4: these you know, increases. 294 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 3: Jack, let me ask you a question, Jack, who do 295 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: you blame you? You would yourself, you admittedly said, I 296 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 3: am one of those people that you polled and said 297 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 3: yes and this question and you considered moving out. Who 298 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: do you Which party do you blame for the position 299 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 3: that you're in orpen? 300 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: I blame both parties. I think they're both in the 301 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 4: hands of the utility companies or in the palm of 302 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 4: them through whatever you know, lobbying are I blame both 303 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 4: of them. 304 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: But you do know, Jack, that the Republicans have four 305 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: members out of forty in the state Senate, so they represent. 306 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: I guess I blame the Democrats more than let me say, and. 307 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: The Republicans I think have about twenty six or so 308 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 2: twenty seven members of the state legislature, which is about 309 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: fifteen percent because there's one hundred of the House of Representatives, 310 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: because we have one hundred and sixty members and the Democrats, 311 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: you know, and good for them, Democrats. 312 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 4: Know how to I'd like to I'd like to see 313 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 4: this be a bipartisan issue, you know, not pitting one 314 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 4: party against another. It's a human issue. I mean, it's 315 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: our lives. Well, forget about the politics I can't afford 316 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 4: to stay of this state. 317 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: Jack, I'm totally with you. But what I'm saying is, 318 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 2: at this point, the Democrats have no competition. There's there's 319 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: no The Republicans don't come up with any great ideas. 320 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: They they should come up find some issues that they 321 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: that they could actually say, hey, elect us. They're happy 322 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 2: to sit up there and get re elected and be 323 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: of one of four. 324 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 4: We could vote for other Democrats who agree with me, 325 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: you know, we could. It doesn't have to be a 326 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: very publican. We could vote for somebody else if we 327 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 4: can get more people. 328 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: To the power of the incumbency. Look at in the 329 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: in the poll, in the poll here, here's here's one question. 330 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 2: Should Ed Markey be re elected? Yes or no? Say yes? 331 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 4: And it's like, well, I'm part of the sixty eight 332 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 4: cent say no, okay, But I really what I'm saying, 333 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: I want to see some new, fresh ideas from other Democrats. 334 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: Well that's that would be a start. That would be 335 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: a start. You have a congressman in Newton Archen class, 336 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: Jake Auchincloss, who was considering running against Marky, but he 337 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: decided correct me if I'm wrong there today, But uh, 338 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: he took a hard look at it, and uh and 339 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: and and didn't get into the starting gate O. 340 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 4: He wimped out. I I have respect for uh, the 341 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 4: person you know, what's his name who's running, even if 342 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 4: you're going to lose, Seth to stand right to what's his. 343 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: Name of, Seth Moulton Steph. 344 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 4: I have respect for him, even if he loses, because 345 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 4: he stood up and made his mark. I have respect 346 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 4: for that. 347 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: Jack, Jack, great phone call. Thank you very much. I 348 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: think you represent a lot of people and I hope 349 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: you have for more. Thank you, Jack. 350 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 4: I'll be happy to talk to mister logos uh, you 351 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: know flying sort of speak if he wants. I think 352 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 4: I represent you know that one third group. 353 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: Maybe he'll include you in the next poll. 354 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 3: Jack fair enough, be happy to be happy. Give me 355 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 3: your in reach out to me. I'm on Suffolk dot 356 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: EEDU you can. You could reach me any any time. 357 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: Thanks Thank you, Jack, appreciate it, Thank you, good night. 358 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five four ten, thirty six one 359 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: seven ninety. If you're fat, happy and contented with Massachusetts, great. 360 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: If you're somebody who feels that, hey, maybe it's time 361 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: to move on to greener pastures. Love to hear from you, Nick. 362 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: My guess Dave Paleologus is here. Uh, he'll take your questions, 363 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: maybe even give you a couple of the poll questions. 364 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: If you've ever thought about leaving Massachusetts in the last 365 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: twelve months and you're in that group that polled yes, 366 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: give us a call, like Jack, if you are somebody 367 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: who is you know, dedicated to to living here for 368 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: the rest of your life because everything is just great 369 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. Love to hear from you as well. Six one, seven, two, five, 370 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 2: four to ten thirty six one seven, nine three one 371 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: ten thirty And those of you who are actually thinking 372 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: about it, Where are you thinking of going back on 373 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: night side? Right after this? 374 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w BZY, 375 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 376 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: But I guess Dave Paiey Logus Suffolk University poster and 377 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: also does a lot of work with the Boston Globe, 378 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 2: and this is an interesting poll. Just reference that in 379 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 2: the your poll in our news cut in there at 380 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour. So people are talking about it. 381 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: Let's continue on here, Dave Payey Logus and see what 382 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 2: our listeners think they personalize about to a click just 383 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: dropped off unfortunately. Let me go to Tony in Rosslindale. Tony, 384 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: you're next on Night Side with Dave Paleia logus. 385 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Tony, Hi, Dan and Dave. 386 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my call. 387 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 2: You're welcome calling in. 388 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 6: I feel like way of getting taxed to death. You know, 389 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 6: Mayor wu mart Heally don't want anybody to raise their property, 390 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 6: the real estate rental for everybody. They want to captain 391 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 6: at five percent. They want rent control. Why can't we 392 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 6: have a taxi control? 393 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: Well we do. It is called it's called Prop two 394 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: and a half, but the politicians like to work around that. 395 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, Tony. 396 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know they're just texting us to death. And 397 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 6: that's why there's going to be an exodus of people 398 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 6: leaving Massachusetts. Well, Mary Heally looks like looks like the 399 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 6: hero when she says that landlords are going to pay 400 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 6: the rental fee. Now, well, guess what, say the average 401 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 6: rent is three thousand dollars. What if a landlord has 402 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 6: ten units and ten of them they cake, say half 403 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 6: of them they came, that's fifteen grand he has to 404 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 6: pay out of parkt to find new tenants. 405 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 3: How fair is that? 406 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: I think you're preaching. Did they converted? Dave? You want 407 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: to talk here to Tony and ask him a couple 408 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: of questions. 409 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 3: No, I mean Tony raises a couple of really important points. 410 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: But to start, I mean, Michelle wou actually has a 411 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 3: higher favorability in the statewide pole than the governor Marhey. 412 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: She was at fifty two percent. Marhey's under fifty percent, 413 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: not only in favorability but in the deserve reelect number. 414 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: So some of this is starting to stick. And you know, 415 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 3: it's not common that you see a governor polling in 416 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: the forties for favorability, and her unfavorability is almost forty. 417 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: It's in the high thirties, which is a little bit 418 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: high for a democratic governor. So some of these issues 419 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 3: like utility costs, the cost of living, rent and other 420 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: related issues that we probed in the poll are a problem. 421 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 4: Now. 422 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: She traditionally does extremely well in elections among Democrats obviously, 423 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 3: but independent women, and she seems to be holding that base. 424 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: But she's lost men independent men in this poll, and 425 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 3: not enough probably to matter at this point. But it's 426 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 3: a signal. You know, it's not a red light, it's 427 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: a it's a flashing yellow light. And I think that's 428 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 3: why she has, you know, put some new people on 429 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: her campaign team and started to rev up her own operation, 430 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: because there there's there's a disconnect, there's a messaging disconnect here. 431 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 6: Well, if I if I I'm a guy, if I 432 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 6: voted for a guy just because he's a guy, isn't 433 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 6: that sexism? Just some kind of form of discrimination? What 434 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 6: these these people keep voting for WU, I don't know 435 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 6: understand why? What what kool aid is she given them? 436 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: She's connecting the dots on issues people care about. And 437 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: it's only in Boston, so you know. But in this poll, 438 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: she i the fact that she took on Trump and 439 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: went down to Washington. Whether you agree with Trump or 440 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: to disagree or like him or not, in Massachusetts, going 441 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 3: against Trump as a net positive because more independents are 442 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: left leaning except for some independent man as I say, so, well, yeah, 443 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: I mean. 444 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 6: You spartlight up for them when they point to Trump 445 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 6: and blame him for everything, Well, I don't see him 446 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 6: being the cause for a thirteen point four percent real 447 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 6: estate tax increase. 448 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: When they. 449 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 6: Tie people's hands and they just force everything down our roads. 450 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: Well that point and what I would say in terms 451 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 3: of those specific issues, Tony, that you're talking about is 452 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: that there's going to be a menu of ballot questions 453 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 3: that speak to what you've just said. One potential ballot 454 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 3: question will reduce the state income tax from five percent 455 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: to four percent by twenty twenty nine. There's another ballot 456 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: question on affordability. There are a bunch of ballot questions 457 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: that the eight Attorney general is gonna have to weed through. 458 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 3: But obviously there are a lot of people who feel 459 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 3: both partisan and who are just angry at the status quo, 460 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: and they feel the only recourse they have is to 461 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 3: put a question on the statewide ballot. 462 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 6: You know, I sure wish we had that over three 463 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 6: billion dollars they spent on all the illegals comeing into Massachusetts. 464 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I all I can say is that, 465 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 3: you know, there are a lot of negatives in Massachusetts, 466 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 3: and you know, I tend to be kind of like 467 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: rooting for the home team. I'm always hoping the state 468 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: does extremely well. We've had a state legislature, whether you 469 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: like them or not, that's always had a big rainy 470 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 3: day fund, and so a lot of people like having 471 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 3: that big Randy had that you know, big Rainy Day 472 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 3: Fund because it was prudent to have it for times 473 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: when it rains, and you know, when that money runs out, 474 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: people have to say was it justified or not. You're 475 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: suggesting it wasn't justified, and that will flesh itself out 476 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 3: at the ballot box if that becomes one of the 477 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: main issues. We don't know yet who the Republican nominee 478 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 3: for governor will be, and there's going to be a 479 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: very contested Republican primary. 480 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: So well, remember this, David and Tony. When the Snap 481 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: benefits were threatened by Trump and the Republicans from in Washington, 482 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: the governor said she wasn't going to touch the rainy 483 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: Day fund. Well, if I was a SNAP beneficiary and 484 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know where my food was coming from next week, 485 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 2: basically basically, how you know, you would think that that 486 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: would have been the first place the Governor Healy would 487 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: have gone and said, look, let's let's spend a couple 488 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars and put everybody's mind at ease 489 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 2: so that their benefits will be provided. She didn't do that, 490 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: which I didn't understand. But but if she doesn't pay 491 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: a political price for it, and if people don't care. 492 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: And if they say, hey, let her keep the rainy 493 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: Day fund there because there may be another wave of 494 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 2: illegals coming in to take care of If that's what 495 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 2: people come to believe, that she's gonna have trouble in 496 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: the election a year from now. But people have short memories, Tony, 497 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: in my opinion, and I'm sure that. 498 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know that, But you know what, she looks 499 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 6: like the hero because I'm going back on capping the 500 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 6: changing the realtor feed to the landlords because she's looking 501 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 6: like the hero's all of the tendants when in actuality 502 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 6: three thousand dollars per month. 503 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that you're a landlord, and so you're upset 504 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: about that. 505 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 6: Lord, Yeah, but I have I have a handful of apartments. 506 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 6: If I had to change ten apartments over, that's all 507 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 6: get out of my pocket. 508 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: I get it. But that's the state. That's the that's 509 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: a play from the same playbook that Mamdani is using 510 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: in New York. I mean, you're going to have rent 511 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: control in the ballot here a year from now. The 512 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: real estate industry and landlord's been a smart number. You're 513 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: going to have rent control across the state. In Massachusetts 514 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, but I'm just I'm not I agree 515 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: with you, Tony, but I'm just telling you people are 516 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: asleep at the switch. It's as simple as vote for. 517 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 6: These two people. I wish Tom Harmon would take Helium 518 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 6: Wu too well. 519 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: I mean, but you have to also think in terms 520 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 3: of the prism that political people think, which is how 521 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: many landlords are there in the Commonwealth and how many 522 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: tenants are there, And so they do the math and 523 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: they figure out, well, if I'm measuring this issue in 524 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: terms of votes, and let's be real, that's that's one 525 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: of the. 526 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 6: Soul for both by opening the border for years. 527 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: But just one other thing I'd like to I'd like 528 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: to say, guys, and I'd like to hear if Dave 529 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: agrees with me on this, and that is that if 530 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: you're very wealthy, you can afford to live in Massachusetts. 531 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: If you're living based and what is it they're saying, 532 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: I think it was one out of eight people in 533 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 2: Massachusetts are on benefits. If you are relying upon the 534 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: state for your welfare, snap benefits, food stamps, whatever you want, 535 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 2: it's a great state to live in because there's there's 536 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: a lot of benefits here. The people who are really 537 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: getting screwed are guys like Tony in Roslindale, he's trying 538 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: to do the right thing, or people who are working 539 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: their butt off and and the taxes keep going up 540 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: and there's just not enough. Tony's in Massachusetts. The wealthy 541 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: could kill less and the people who are benefiting from 542 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: the government large, yes, well, they're not going to turn 543 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: against the Democrats. And the Republicans don't know how to 544 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: message anything. When was the last time you heard a 545 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: Republican with a message that that that appealed to you, Tony, 546 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: It's been a while. It's been a while. Guys. I 547 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: got to run here because they got a break coming up. Tony, 548 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: do me a favor, call this program more often. Please you. 549 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: You're the You're the person who I want to try 550 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: to represent UH on the air because you're doing the 551 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: right thing. You're trying to build the economy in Massachusetts 552 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: and they're not making it easy for you. 553 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thank you, good night. 554 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: Take a quick break, coming right back with Dave Pale 555 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: and Logus poster an extraordinary poster. He has. He has 556 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: the heartbeat of Massachusetts, and all of his polls joined 557 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: the conversation. Be right back on night Side. 558 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dany Boston's news Radio. 559 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: Next up, let's go to Brand in Dyton. Brand, you 560 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: were next on Nice Side with Dave Pata and Logus. 561 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 7: Welcome, Oh, thank you, thanks for taking my call. You know, 562 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 7: I've lived in Massachusetts all my life and I wouldn't 563 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 7: want to leave, but I thought about it because of 564 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 7: the cost of utilities. I just I'm having breakfast one 565 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 7: day and I talked with somebody that works to the 566 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 7: gas company, and the guy just says to me, you 567 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 7: want to look at your bill and see what the 568 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 7: delivery charges on there. So I started looking at my 569 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 7: bill now, and it just so happens. October of twenty 570 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 7: twenty four is just about when my mortgage was paid off. 571 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 7: But my my gas bill started going up crazy. But 572 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 7: I could afford it because of not having the mortgage payment. 573 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 7: So I looked at my last bill and they break 574 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 7: it down by percentage. Thirty percent of the bill was 575 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 7: actual gas that I paid for ye the other seventy 576 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 7: percent was a delivery charge and a community improvement charge. 577 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 7: Seventy percent. That's crazy. 578 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 2: Welcome to Massachusetts, Brand. 579 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 7: I'm I'm a New Englander. I would never want to 580 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 7: live anyplace else but New England. My father was like that, 581 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 7: I'm like that. I just love knowing and I love 582 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 7: where I live and the house I live in, and 583 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 7: you just get everything. 584 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 4: The way you like it. 585 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 7: I can't just pack. 586 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 3: Up and leave. 587 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 7: I don't have the kind of a job that's movable. 588 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 2: No, I understand. Is this your first time calling my show? 589 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 2: By the way, yes, it is. Well, thank you very much. 590 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 2: It's always it's interesting. Give you a run of applause 591 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: from our digital studio audience here. It's always amazing. What's 592 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 2: what gets people to call? So I appreciate you calling tonight. 593 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: I hope you'll you'll call more. Clearly, you're not in 594 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: that thirty two percent that have thought seriously about leaving. 595 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 2: But somehow, some way, we got to get these costs 596 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 2: out of the control because eventually they're going to run 597 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: out of people to tax. I mean, we have a 598 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: very generous, you know, welfare system, which is good for 599 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 2: poor people, great, and we're we're taxing wealthy people at 600 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 2: a high rate. Eventually they're gonna have to They're gonna 601 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: start to increase taxes, even on the so called middle class. 602 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 7: That's quite what Madre said about communism. Eventually you run 603 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 7: out of other people's money. 604 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: She actually said that about socialism. Actually communism, that's a 605 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: whole different that's a whole different set of principles. Brand 606 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 2: do you a favorite, Keep keep call, keep calling my program. 607 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 2: I need I need guys like you, people like you, 608 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 2: men and women like you who are thoughtful. Too. Many 609 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 2: of my friends they live and die with the whether 610 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: the Patriots are going to win this or lose. And 611 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: guess what. To me, that means nothing because I don't 612 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 2: play for the Patriots. I mean, I don't have any 613 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 2: close friends who play for the Patriots. But but I 614 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 2: do pay taxes and I don't know, Dave, maybe we 615 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 2: should get a Patriots question in here. What are you 616 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 2: more concerned about your energy bills or whether the Patriots 617 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 2: go to the super Bowl. I wonder how that would 618 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: break out in Massachusetts. I don't know. Thanks Bran, Thank 619 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 2: you much, man, Thank you call again. Let me go 620 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 2: real quickly north of the border. Daryl and New Brunswick, Darryl, 621 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: how expensive are your energy costs up in New Brunswick. 622 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 8: My energy costs are pretty cheap because I'm actually I 623 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 8: got the wood burning fireplace, and but we have no 624 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 8: natural gas supply, so uh, you got to they're trying 625 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 8: to push everybody on the heat pumps for the electricity, 626 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 8: and that goes back to Hi, Dave, how you doing 627 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 8: as well? 628 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 2: Well? 629 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 8: But with that you mentioned uh Quebec, Hydroe and the pipelines. 630 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 8: We have tons of gas. We have hundreds of years 631 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 8: of gas up here in Canada. We're ready to ship 632 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 8: it down to you guys. We just need that pipeline, 633 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 8: like you mentioned, we have a nuclear facility that they 634 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 8: just went to restart recently. It's called in New Brunswick. 635 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 8: It's called Lapro l E L E p R E 636 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,959 Speaker 8: A U and they went to restart it. It wouldn't start. 637 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 8: And now we come into this cold snap. And so 638 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 8: if we have Pyro or rolling out, it's because again 639 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 8: what you mentioned about lack of maintenance. And but the 640 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 8: one thing you might like to know is they had 641 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,359 Speaker 8: a bid for a natural gas power plant up here 642 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 8: and it was awarded to a US company. 643 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 2: But that's your thing. Hopefully it's a good thing for 644 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 2: Canadians like you and for for for US business interest. 645 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, Daryl, but you 646 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 2: you're the last call of the er and I'm up 647 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 2: against the eleven. Give me a call later on during 648 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 2: the week and we can pick up on this conversation. Okay, 649 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 2: but I'm out of I am out of time at 650 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 2: this hour. Thank you much. 651 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 8: Mabe's it zero degrees with minus eighteen winche. 652 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 2: Wow, wow. Keep that fireplace working. Keep that fireplace working, 653 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 2: Darryl Okay, cheers, guys, Thanks much. Dave Bairey Loogus, always 654 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: interesting to talk to. Maybe you should you should do 655 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 2: a poll. All kidding aside, what what concerns you more? 656 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: Rising energy costs or whether the Patriots get into the 657 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. 658 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 3: I'd love to see the the gender breakdown on that one. 659 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 2: Guess what, there's a lot of women fans. There's a 660 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 2: lot of women fans who were Patriots fans, a lot 661 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: of people. Look at those people. You got sixty thousand 662 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 2: people out of the parking lot every day. 663 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 3: Oh, I see him Tailgate. 664 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 2: Hey dad, we'll talk soon. Okay, thanks man, Thank you 665 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 2: so much for your generous generosity of time. Thank you, 666 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 2: my friend. Dave Paleologus, Suffolk University. We're coming back after 667 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 2: the eleven o'clock news and I'm not sure what we're 668 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 2: going to talk about, but I got a couple of 669 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: ideas walking, and we'll see you on the other side.