1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: The talk station at seven thirty one to fifty five 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: KRCD Talk Station. Try to make it a happy Thursday 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: if you can get over to the Fort Thomas Military 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Community History Museum if you hadn't heard of it like me, 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: and I apologize to that. My next guest Deanna bini Key. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: She's the director of the Fort Thomas Military Community History Museum. 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: She's gonna being an Empower Youth Seminar tonight beginning at 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: seven pm. Log in from home or show up at 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: three hundred Great Oaks Drive for the Empower Youth Seminar's 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: classroom and get a big eye full and history of 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: the World War two propaganda posters. Welcome to the program. 12 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Dean. 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on this morning. Well, 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: thank you, uh my apologies. As I mentioned in the 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: intro there the Fort Thomas Military and Community History Museum, 16 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: I until this morning did not know there was one 17 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: of those. Can you tell my listeners when this got 18 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: gone and what people can see there? Before we get 19 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: to the propaganda posters seminar information, we are a. 20 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: Hidden gym in Fort Thomas. We're located in Tower Park, 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: which is if you're familiar with Fort Thomas Tower Park 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: is the park that used to be part of the 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:12,639 Speaker 2: VA facility during the wartime. The museum was established in 24 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: a display case in nineteen ninety nine. We moved to 25 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: our current location in two thousand and nine. We are 26 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: getting ready to switch out our World War II exhibits. 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: For the past four years we have had a tribute 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: to the more than two hundred and fifty thousand soldiers 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: who processed through Fort Thomas between November of nineteen forty 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: and June of nineteen forty four. 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: Oh why. 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. If you had a family member from Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: or West Virginia and they went were in the Army 34 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: or the Army Air Corps, they processed. 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: Through here, that's amazing. See I learned something, I say, 36 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I learned something in the five caracy more sure every 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: single day of my life. That is an overwhelming number 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: of folks. Yes, and you said you distinctly said it 39 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: started with a display case. The exhibit's grown quite a 40 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: bit since you had a display case, hasn't it, Deenna. 41 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: Yes, we are up to more than four thousand artifacts. 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: We're about two thirds military and a third community based. 43 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: For our exhibits, we do have a permanent couple of 44 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: permanent military rooms, and then we have a Beverly Hills 45 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: tribute room I've about the fire Yeah's. And then we 46 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: have two rooms that rotate depending on what exhibit we 47 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: choose to put. Next year, those two rooms will be 48 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: converted from current World War Two things to one room 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: will be all about the schools over the years, and 50 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: one room will be probably decades of businesses with little 51 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: artifacts from various businesses. 52 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: In ten all related to the Fort Thomas community locally. 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: So rotating stock. I guess it's almost like the Smithsonian. 54 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: They have thousands and thousands of stuff behind the scenes 55 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: and you've got to bring it out every once in 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: a while to show people. So a rotating exhibits. The 57 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: next time you go to the Fort Thomas Military and 58 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: Community History it may be different than the prior time 59 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: you've been there. So there's a strong encouragement for folks 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: to keep going back time and time again. Dan, how 61 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: did you get interested in the World War Two? Since 62 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: you are doing the World War Two propaganda poster empower 63 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: you seminar tonight. 64 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: Well, I've always been interested in World War Two. My 65 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: father was a veteran of World War Two. He served 66 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: with Patton's Third Army in the sixth Armored Division. So 67 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: I have a great respect for anything World War Two. 68 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: In fact, I was a history was my I've one 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: of my double majors in college. The museum came about 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 2: because I have curated a couple of exhibits over the years. 71 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: I am the director now because the previous director had 72 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: a health emergency and I said, okay, I'll take over 73 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: for a year. That was in twenty seventeen and I'm 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: still there. Well, I will do it probably another couple 75 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: of years because i'll be eighty and I think it's 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: going to be time to retire. 77 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Oh shush, you're doing what you love. That's what's keeping 78 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: you alive. And well, Deanna, let's pause because I want 79 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: to get I have a couple of pointed questions to 80 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: ask you about the propaganda posters themselves. Will get help 81 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: my listeners understand what you're going to be talking about. 82 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: It's seven thirty five. We'll take a break and bring 83 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: it right back. It's empower You talk station tonight tonight 84 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: seven pm. Empower Youoamerica dot org. Your register for the 85 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: class World War two propaganda posters brought to us by 86 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: the director of the Fort Thomas Military Community Hospital. My 87 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: guest today Deana Binnicky. I'm I remember Dean. I apologize. 88 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: I had asked for a reading on the pronunciation of 89 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: your last name, and Joe had told me and I 90 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: wrote a big I over the top of the EI party. 91 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: You remember, remember Muler. 92 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: That's right. But I'll remember Dana Binicky first because I'm 93 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: going to go to the Fort Thomas Military and Community 94 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: History Museum sometime here soon. But the World War Two 95 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: propaganda posters are rather interesting. I think contextually it's really 96 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: important that that was the vehicle for our government to 97 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: communicate to us, because this is really early on in television. 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: Hardly anybody had TVs at this period of time, and 99 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: there was no Internet, so if you weren't seeing it 100 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: on the very hard to find televisions, you weren't going 101 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: to get the message. They put these propaganda posters up, 102 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: and they dealt with a whole bunch of different subject matters. 103 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: It isn't just I want you with Uncle Sam asking 104 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: you to enlist in the US Army, but it's also 105 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: you know, encouraging loose lips, saying ships you got Rosie, 106 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: but are encouraging work, encouraging people to engage in some 107 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: measure of belt tightening because the troops need all the 108 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: help they can get. So it's it's an interesting phenomenon. 109 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: These posters are amazing in terms of the artwork they present. 110 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: Do you have any of them that stand out particularly 111 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: for you, Deanna? 112 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: We have two hundred and sixty seven of the from 113 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: World War One and World War Two. A volunteer from 114 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 2: the museum rescued them when the dav was getting ready 115 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: to throw them away. Oh, and so we have them 116 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 2: in stories. There are the ones that I'm going to 117 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: talk about tonight are ones that we own, except for 118 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: the I want you you know the Uncle Sam. Yeah, 119 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: he actually did that poster for World War One and 120 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 2: it was revived and reissued for World War Two. Montgomery 121 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: flag used himself as the model, and he did several 122 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: Uncle Sam posters in different poses. I'm going to have 123 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: that one because I talk about that iconic poster because 124 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: you still see it. 125 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: Oh, sure, got. 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: Format and people recognize that poster more than any other poster. 127 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about Rosie the River because 128 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: we don't own that one. I'm not going to talk 129 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: about the Norman Rockwell for freedoms, because we don't own that. 130 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: Probably one of my favorites is a war bond poster 131 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: that shows a little girl, probably about two years old, 132 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: and it simply says to have and to hold and 133 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: you see this not quite Gerber baby a little bit 134 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: older than that, and then it says, by extra bonds. 135 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: Another favorite is one of the James flag James Montgomery 136 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: flag posters, which is not politically correct, and I don't 137 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: have it up in the exhibit right now because I didn't. 138 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: We're not there to invite controversy, and it was a 139 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: time when we designed this. Anyway, it's Uncle Sam rolling 140 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: up his sleeves and saying, Jap, you're next. 141 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember seeing that one before. 142 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: Which was designed after the victory in Europe. But in 143 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: a war weary world, we still needed to be motivated 144 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: to support our troops, and the troops needed to be 145 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: motivated to go to the Pacific and continue the flight 146 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: the fight. So I've got We had an exhibit a 147 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 2: few years ago that pulled seventy five posters from both 148 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: World War One and World War Two. They were roughly 149 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: evenly divided between the Two Wars, which meant I had 150 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: about forty close to forty posters for World War Two. 151 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 2: I'm only featuring twenty two of those tonight. 152 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be a lot with just twenty two. 153 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: There's so much history behind these, you know. And I 154 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: as we were talking, I went ahead and did an 155 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Internet search on propaganda posters in the United States. You 156 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: mentioned sort of the that racist element that might seep through. 157 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we were in the middle of a war, 158 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: but the depictions of Japanese and that stereotypical glasses, the 159 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: buck tooth kind of looked that they always depicted them 160 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: in movies as obviously that perceived as extremely racist, but 161 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: that image appeared on a lot of World War two 162 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: posters as well. 163 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: So it's well, the idea of propaganda is to influence 164 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: thinking and disseminate information, and the message was we are 165 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 2: the good guys and the enemies of the bad guys, 166 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: and those stereotypes that showed up. I've got a poster 167 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: that shows an arm holding a knife stabbing through a Bible. 168 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: The arm on them, like the cufflink is the Nazi 169 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: slastica holding the knife destroying Christianity. That's one that's quite striking. 170 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, those messages really tend to click, especially when you're 171 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of a war, a war. So we're 172 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna learn all about this tonight seven pm. I just 173 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: saw another one open Trap Make Happy jap with that 174 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: same sort of stereotypical image of a Japanese person talking 175 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: about like loose lips sink ships. It's an image of 176 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: him with his ear to a keyhole in a door. 177 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: So this is just fascinating stuff. It's all on full 178 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: display tonight, at least a handful of them relative to 179 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: the entire exhibits numbers, and Deanna's going to do a 180 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: great job explaining all this to you and walking you 181 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: through World War two propaganda posters. Deanna biny Key, it's 182 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: been a real pleasure having you on. Keep up the 183 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: great work, and thanks for introducing me and a lot 184 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: of my listeners perhaps to the for Thomas Military and 185 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: Community History Museum, which I'm going to encourage everyone to 186 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: check out sometime real soon. 187 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: Well check it out next spring, because we're about to 188 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: close for this shole. We're not open. We're not open 189 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: in December, January, and February because the weather is a factor. 190 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: Fair enough, and. 191 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 2: That's that's our downtime when we break down exhibits and 192 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: put new exhibits up. 193 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad I said that out loud because somebody might 194 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: have shut up next month. Well do you have a 195 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: website just for the museum. 196 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: Well, the best way to get in touch with me 197 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: is through our I think there's a website that the 198 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: city operates because of the city owns the museum. But 199 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: the best way to arrange a private tour, because we 200 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: still we'll do private tours between mail and mid December 201 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 2: is Fort Thomas Museum at gmail dot com. 202 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: Fort Thomas Museum at gmail dot com. That's fantastic. I'm 203 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: glad you mentioned private tours as well, Deanna. Well keep 204 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: up the great work. Don't retire. We need you over 205 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: there doing all this great history work and taking care 206 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: of the museum and making Fort Thomas proud. It's been 207 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on. Good luck with a seminar tonight, folks, 208 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: Empower Youamerica dot org. Make sure you register, either show 209 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: up in person or login from home. It should be 210 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: really fascinating.