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Speaker 1: to welcome back to the fifty five Karsee Morning Show,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Thomas Massey, Congress and Massy. Great having you back

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Speaker 1: on the show, my friend, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Oh, good to be on.

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Speaker 1: It's a shame we don't anything to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's uh, I'm glad I'm talking to you

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Speaker 2: because I don't have a busy day. It's not like

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Speaker 2: we have Pam Bondi in the Judiciary Committee all day today.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is true. Maybe we'll get to that, but

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Speaker 1: let's first talk about widely circulated on social media. Your

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Speaker 1: situation went down to the Oldham kind of Republican Party

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Day dinner where you had your microphone taken away.

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Speaker 1: Congresson Massei, my understanding is you're merely trying to defend

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Speaker 1: your wife against an outright fake attack by Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: What is this all about, sir.

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Speaker 2: Well, when they snatched my mic, I'm calling it snatchgate,

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Speaker 2: and we were actually raised sixty thousand dollars off of

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Speaker 2: Snatchkate were so agasted that they would grab my microphone

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Speaker 2: off the podium while I was speaking. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: the story and then there's the backstory. The story is

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Speaker 2: I ran a little bit over time. It's true, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm the congressman for the district and I

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Speaker 2: thought they wanted a little bit of legislative update. They

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Speaker 2: gave me five minutes. I took eight, and they said

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Speaker 2: that's it and grabbed the mic. And I was defending

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Speaker 2: my wife. Donald Trump's attacked her twice on social media.

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Speaker 2: I think it's beyond the pale. But you know, normally

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Speaker 2: I don't respond to something sort of inappropriate that the

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Speaker 2: president does. The thing is, my opponent in my election

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Speaker 2: reposted Donald Trump's post. So now he's bringing this back

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Speaker 2: to Kentucky, and the question for him is does he

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Speaker 2: support people attacking spouses and elections In any case, I

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Speaker 2: think the backstory here is that we have liberty candidates

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Speaker 2: in the state legislature that I helped get elected, and

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Speaker 2: they've kept their word. The Speaker of the House in Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: he was a little bit upset that he lost four

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Speaker 2: chairmen of committees in Kentucky's fourth district alone in primaries.

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Speaker 2: Republicans went down to liberty Republicans, and so I think

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Speaker 2: that animosity is what spurred him to grab my microphone,

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Speaker 2: because the MC was in fact to Speaker of the

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I understand time limits, but I think your

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Speaker 1: point is well taken. You're the elected official, and you

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Speaker 1: did have things to say about what's going on in

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Speaker 1: And honestly, I don't know how the bar has been

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Speaker 1: lowered so much President of the United States of America

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Speaker 1: going after your wife. Your wife's not running for office, sir.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't describe her in any way, shape or

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Speaker 2: No, he called her a flaming lefty liberal, which is hilarious.

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Speaker 2: When Donald Trump was given to Hillary Clinton and when

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Speaker 2: my opponent was giving to Lindsay Graham, my wife was

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Speaker 2: working for Ron Paul Rand Paul campaign for Liberty National

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Speaker 2: Right to Work. She's in the right wing conspiracy. She's

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Speaker 2: the furthest thing you can get from a lefty liberal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my understanding as well. Pivoting over to the

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Speaker 1: that is all about?

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Speaker 2: Congressome MESSI, Well, this is very important hearing today. Normally

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Speaker 2: But today I expect there's going to be some fireworks

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Speaker 2: Act that I got past that has caused the release

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Speaker 2: Each of us gets five minutes to question her, and

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Speaker 1: Well and legitimately. So those reactions were limited in scope.

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Speaker 1: My understanding was only reactions were to prevent victims from

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Speaker 2: No, you're correct. And so they released approximately three million documents.

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Speaker 2: But one of them was a billionaire CEO that I

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Speaker 2: redact co conspirators, And within a few hours the DOJ

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen when Jeffrey Epstein died or disappeared, whatever you

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Speaker 2: think happened to Jeffrey Epstein. All I did a poll online.

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Speaker 2: Only three percent of the over one hundred thousand people

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Speaker 2: responded thinks that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide. But that's a

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Speaker 1: Wow, have you come up with any any explanation for

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Speaker 1: the subterfuge which seems to be going on in connection

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's millions of documents. I've I spent two hours.

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Speaker 2: I looked at forty documents. I found three of them

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. Yeah, Well, the question is who

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Speaker 2: that they, by law, they have to redact personally identifiable information. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing in our law that says redact personally identical

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Speaker 2: So I unredacted the email address. I looked at it,

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned the law, this isn't There's an underlying

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Speaker 1: They have not complied with the law. What recourse is

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Speaker 2: So sometimes on the computer I would hit unredact and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you will. Congressman Thomas Messi will take a

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Speaker 1: quick break here will continue more on Epstein files. Trump

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Speaker 1: apparently calling you the talk station nineteen couple of lead

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Speaker 1: Tan a huge fan of my current guest, Congressman Thomas Messi.

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Speaker 1: He'll be on next. In the meantime, sticking with the

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Speaker 1: Epstein files generally speaking, Congressman Messy, notwithstanding the challenges you

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Speaker 1: Is there anything in there that really blew your mind?

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Speaker 2: Like the you know, mainstream conservative media is totally ignoring this.

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Speaker 2: You've got to go on Facebook, or you've got to

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Speaker 2: And so now yesterday in front of the Senate hearing Lutnick.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned the subterviews earlier. Is it just the

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Speaker 2: Because these are the most powerful people on.

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Speaker 1: And that's the answer.

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Speaker 2: They're they're they're not only billionaires, they're in government, you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, fair enough and thankfully Congressman asks who we have

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Speaker 2: Well, let me said a few things straight. If we

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Speaker 2: Factories are not importing new tooling to make things in

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Speaker 2: And you know, you may to be sitting there and thinking, oh,

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Speaker 2: Congress within fifteen days can undo the emergency. Well, in

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Speaker 2: order to implement some of these tariffs, the president declared emergencies,

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Speaker 2: totally bogus, right, way of not voting on tariffs by

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Speaker 2: I would hope if you've read the Constitution, you know

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Speaker 1: Congressman, Thomas Messi, you stumbled upon judging and a Polatana's

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Speaker 1: topic of conversation becoming constitutional ice age, and you probably

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Speaker 1: share your concerns about tariffs. Congressome Messi. He still believes

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Speaker 1: in the Constitution as you do, and I can't thank

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Speaker 1: you enough for the what you do. Congressom Messy, keep

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Speaker 1: fighting the good fight, and I wish you all the best,

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Speaker 1: keeping your voice for the rest of the day.

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Speaker 2: You're going to need it, my friend, thank you and

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Speaker 2: give my judge the best.

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Speaker 1: I will be more than happy to do that. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's a huge fan of yours. It's a twenty eight

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Speaker 1: right now, and you went over your allotted times. Strucker

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Speaker 1: told me to tell you that, congress Fan Massy, I

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Speaker 2: Judge.

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