WEBVTT - 10-30-25 Willie with Russ Neville 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:09.080 By Billy Cunningham, the great American. Of course, the issue 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:13.920 of the firing Charlie Say, administrative discharge in a sense 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.640 of Chief of Police Thigi is on the front burner 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.560 and it's one of the big election issues coming up 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.040 on Tuesday. In the studio with me? Now, is Captain 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.760 russ Neville retired? Is that correct? How many years you've 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.240 been four thirty four years? Did you enjoy it? 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.880 I did? I enjoyed it, respect it, appreciate it. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.400 But more importantly, you're the brother, let's get it out 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.920 there of Terry Thigi. She is your sister, correct, yes, sir. 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.120 A little bit of the history of Chief Thiji A 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:40.640 mother of four? Is that correct? 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:41.040 Yes, sir. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.720 She went through the whole police department from bottom to 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.519 top with four kids, and I guess there are adults 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.120 by this point. And then how many grandchildren does she have? 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.560 She has nine grandchildren. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.800 So the city manager and Mary wants to fire a 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.240 mother and a grandmother. Correct, yes, Tell me about Tell 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.640 me about your feelings about what happened to Chief Thigi 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:00.840 and why was so unfair? 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.040 Well, I think there's a combination of reasons. But the 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:07.320 way it came about is ridiculously unfair, bordering on inhumane. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.880 There were opportunities for communication that could have ended in 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.119 a different fashion. Basically, what they did is they forced 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:16.800 her to fight, and we're not going to walk away 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:22.119 from a fight. She dedicated thirty five years to the city. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.560 She was a good team player, a leader. She is 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:30.120 not and I emphasized not a DEI higher. She earned 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:32.679 everything she got through her thirty five years. She was 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.720 mentored by some of the best and brightest minds of 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.920 this organization over the last thirty five years. Tom Striker, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.880 Jim Whalen, Vince Demassi. Not bad, not bad at all. 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.160 So if anybody wants to throw DEI out related to Terry, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:47.960 they are way off base. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.760 She earned it, earned it a hard way, the hard way, 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.680 being a mother and a grandmother while being in a 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.040 cop You mentioned this the other day. Not easy. It's 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.480 hard for a man, a father, much less a mother 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.200 and a grandma. Been put in sixty seventy hours a 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.320 week on behalf of the people of Cincinnati. And she 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.600 did it without without reservation, without anger, without frustration. She 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:09.200 did her job. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.320 She did it with pride and commitment and dedication and care. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.639 I couldn't begin to tell the amount Terry cares regarding 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.519 the communities. And I mean all fifty two, not one 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:24.320 or two, like the mayor, all fifty two communities, all demographics. 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.600 It doesn't matter to Terry. What's right is right, and 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.119 what service needs to be provided shall be provided. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.639 Why was she I'll use the term fired, because that's 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.320 where it's coming. I can't imagine after this review, bought 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.639 and paid for by the mayor, the law firm that 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:41.360 he hired, is going to come back and say, oh, 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:43.560 you know, Mayor, you're wrong. You know what's going to 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:48.000 come in a couple months is smearing of thief chief Fiji. Well, 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:49.040 why do you think it happened. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.880 I think it happened because she had a desire to 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:59.200 provide services to the community that would reduce diminish impact 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.480 violent crime. And I think she had thoughts, plans, and 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.120 ideas on that. And I will leave it at that 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.400 for now until things work themselves out going forward. And 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.040 I believe the mayor had a different opinion. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.959 As far as the administrative put on the administrative leave 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.120 with pay of your sister. The mayor said a day 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.320 or two after this happened, we're going to start enforcing 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.840 the law. We're going to have misdemeanors being enforced. You know, 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.200 as a cop, you come from a family of cops 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.840 going back about one hundred years that when you enforce 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.560 the broken window theory of law enforcement, when someone is 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.040 taking drugs in public, when someone is sleeping on a 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:37.240 public sidewalk, when someone is shooting through a window and 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.920 he's classified as property damage, you know something's wrong. Do 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.280 you think the mayor got the message that somehow you 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.480 cops are going to have to start enforcing the law 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.119 because it hasn't happened so far. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.800 I couldn't begin to tell you what message the mayor got, 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:54.440 but I will offer to you those services are provided 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.880 lesser crimes are focused on and were focused on under Terry. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.920 But the reality it is Bill, if there's a revolving 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:06.440 door at the justice center, or if there's early release 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.840 for no justified reason, placing people back into the communities 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:15.440 where they just victimized people without accountability one through fifteen times, 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:20.440 it's irrelevant. They there needs to be something done to 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.080 control the early release and the offenders being placed back 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.239 out into the streets without any accountability. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.559 That's not on the coppers it's not on the cops. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.520 It's on the judges exactly. And I am here to 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.880 say the cops work hard. I'm not criticizing for one 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.400 second the officers of Cincinnati or any agency in Hamilcanty 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.720 and beyond. I'm here to tell you that the administrative 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.840 suspension of Terry was in humaine unjust. And let's think 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.719 about the fact that it's asked backwards. You place your 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.160 ound administrative suspension, then you decide you're going to hire 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.719 a law firm, and your conducting investigation determined why you 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.440 placed yourun administrative suspension. I'll leave the rest of that lawyer, 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:04.000 mister m and Terry. But everybody with a lick of 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:09.080 sense understands what this is about, what's driving it, who's 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.920 driving it, And that's where I think the conversation needs 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.520 to go as we go forward. Today. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.240 I think Channel twelve had this report about the emails, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.280 the text messages back and forth. A precipitating factor, according 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:26.240 to Cheryl Long, was that your sister Chief Thiji joined 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.520 the Hamlety County Police Chiefs Group without the permission of 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.720 the city manager or the mayor. Was that a made 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.480 up Was that precipitating it wasn't unusual for the chief 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.760 of police of Cincinnati, which is about what about forty 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.200 percent of the county to join a group of other 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.960 police chiefs. Is that a bad act? Was that wrong 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:47.800 for Thiji to do? 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.400 I don't see why it was wrong or how it 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:53.800 could be wrong. I mean, it's part of your responsibilities 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.919 as the head of an organization is to communicate with 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:59.479 heads of other organizations and put together strategies and plans. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.240 I just have to leave it at that until anything 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.080 goes forward involving the case that may be pending. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.719 Well, what is does Chief Thiji want her job back? 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.040 I can't speak for her Bill either. I talked to 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:14.599 her every day. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.040 You must talk to her every day. Talk to her 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:17.280 because she want her job back. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.320 I'm going to refrain from answering a question based on 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.600 mister M's recommendations. Let me say this. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.120 I would say no, because how do you work in 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.760 that environment when you can't implement the policies and procedures 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.360 you want to implement. Because the city manager and the mayor, 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.320 and I guess Counsel Scottie Johnson others are saying, don't 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.800 do that. In other words, put in speed bumps, don't 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.640 pull people over for traffic offenses. I had on the 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.760 corner about a month ago, and she was going to 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.000 a big event, I think Fiddler on the Roof at 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.600 the Music Hall, and she and a retired federal judge 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.200 felt threatened walking across Washington Park when they left the 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.280 play early because they knew they had to get back 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.280 to the car before dark. Those are the things that 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.440 I think that the police should administer and take care 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.560 of that the police directly indirectly receive orders or indications 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.320 from the city manager or the mayor not to enforce 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.120 certain statutes. I think that was the case. That's why 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.280 the mayor said we're going to start enforcing the criminal law. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.720 Was there a sense under your sister's leadership that she 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.080 was told directly or indirectly by expression or implication not 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:19.880 to enforce certain criminal statutes. 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.040 Not that I'm aware of, and I talked to her 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.160 every day, and I think it is something that needs 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.440 to be kept between her and her attorney and for 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.880 any future purposes. So I really do refrain from discussing it, Bill, 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.720 because it is right for her going forward with any 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.600 potential when will she speak when her attorneys when the 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.080 case is settled potentially. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.560 So going back to my point, does she want her 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.360 job back? You can't say yes to that. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.920 I'm not going to answer that. I will tell you this, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.760 you wouldn't want it. I wouldn't want it. My brother Mike, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:53.840 who's in the studio with us, wouldn't want it. But 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.160 I'm not going to speak for Terry. 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.960 Why wouldn't you and your brother Mike went Why wouldn't 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.800 someone who's come up through the ranks from the bottom 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.560 of the top not want the job today? 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.680 Well today, meaning only under these circumstances wanting the job 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.600 prior to this happening to her, I would have even 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.720 wanted it at that point. But under these circumstances, why 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.320 would anybody want to go back and work and report 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.200 to two individuals that have treated them so inhumanely. One 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.400 reason somebody may want to do it because they care 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.640 about the community, and they care about the members of 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.560 the organization, and they appreciate the support they're getting from 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.319 each of those. So you have to balance those elements 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.520 and reporting to two people who treat it so inhumanely, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.000 who clearly don't want you there, And let's emphasize it 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.640 is two people Bill, it's not one. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.160 What was it inhumane about her discharge? 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:51.960 It was done in a shockingly surprising way. She didn't 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.880 see it coming, didn't see it coming. It was done 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.720 after a text notification to come back from a police 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.920 common difference where she was there to represent the city 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:07.360 of Cincinnati and the police department in an honorable a 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:13.080 leadership fashion, and it was done with minimal to no communication. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:14.000 And I'll leave it at that. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.160 From chera Long's perspective, why do it then? It's like embarrassing. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.040 According to media accounts, someone was listening to me at 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.720 one seventeen PM. Somebody told me her days were in 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:24.640 the single digits. 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:25.520 Yeah, I heard you. 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:27.920 And she goes to I was told that. And so 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.319 she goes to Denver for this national deal and I'm 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.559 thinking this isn't good. But somebody approved her trip to Denver. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.440 She didn't do this. Did city manager approve her trip 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.079 to Denver? I couldn't tell you the process on who 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:40.520 approved it. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.840 Bill. She had authorization to go to Denver and represent 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:46.959 the City of Cincinnati, the police Department, in the constituents 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:52.199 of Cincinnati and represent them in high fashion, in high order, honorably, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.240 and she was summoned back shot. 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.000 Would you say she was shocked at that maneuver by 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:58.560 Cheryl Long. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.079 I would say she was caught that she needed to 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.040 come back so quickly. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.160 Because right now, as I understand it, she's an I 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.720 WILL employee. That means she can be fired for a 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.480 good reason, a bad reason, or no reason. It can't 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.320 be an illegal reason. But if the city manager would 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.800 say to Teresa Theichi, you know things aren't going very well, 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:19.800 I have to let you go. Let's talk about how 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.800 we do this. That's different than what happened. Correct, That 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.640 is definitely different than what happened. So she gave an 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.240 interview somewhere that she said she sent a text or 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.040 something Sheryl Long that said, I got thirty five years 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.839 in October twentieth as my anniversary. I'm not going to 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:37.240 be here forever. I want to have some indication as 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.959 to the future. Do you recall seeing that text. I'm 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.640 aware that text is out there. And as far as 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.720 her being out there, was she planning to retire anyway? 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.839 Because when you say, you know, you've been at a 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.000 job for a long time and somebody you get an 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.720 indication things are going the wrong direction. When she said, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.360 I know I'm not going to be there forever. Was 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.160 that an indication from her that she knew something was coming? 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.160 Honestly cannot answer that. I don't know what her thought 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:05.640 was when she sent that. I haven't discussed that text 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:06.000 with her. 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.280 Do you know how she was fired put on administrative leave? 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.840 You know how? I truly don't. I don't recall if 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.480 it's something she was told or if it was something 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.079 that was notified by her attorney. I truly don't recall 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:17.160 how it came to her. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.360 Was she shocked about that? She was caught off guard, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:23.560 off guard and it just came out of the blue. Yes, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.200 How is she doing today? This afternoon? Is she actually 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:31.480 it's interesting you ask. Over a thousand people have asked 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.920 me that question in the last two weeks. She's doing 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.240 well as well as can be. She's spending she's doing 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.360 as well as can be. She's she's she's terry, she's 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.880 a leader, she's confident, she's independent, she's capable to overcome anything. 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.920 But with that said, it's a kick to the gut. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.080 It's internally straining. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:59.319 Her. Her feelings are hurt, her reputation has been tarnished. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.520 But with that said Bill, she I gid you not. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:08.200 She is approached everywhere we go, or she goes in 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.480 one hundred and fifty mile radius of Cincinnati, with people 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.480 saying they support her, they believe in her, they know 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.719 what's really going on, they know it's politics. She was 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.400 at the Bengals game the other day and there were 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.840 people yelling from two stamp two levels up down to 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.680 her saying we support you, we believe in you. Keep 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:27.400 fighting the fight. But with that said, that's all great, right, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.719 that's all awesome for her to hear. But at the 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.600 same time, there's the internal hit that comes with that 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.160 of what she's going through that would even cause people 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.480 to need to yell that out to her and show 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.920 that support to her. But she's doing as well as 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.560 anybody could do under this situation. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.640 She's going sixty seventy miles an hour. All of a 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.400 sudden there's a crash and at this point she I 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.319 guess four kids, how many grandkids? 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:51.760 Nine? 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.080 Nine, maybe some on the way. She's a mother and 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.959 a grandmother, and now she's going to care for her family, 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.199 and she's always cared for her family. Now she's always 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.680 physically present. She wasn't physically present. I would think for 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.679 a long part of her life because she was a cop, 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.800 and going forward, who knows what's going to happen. I 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.640 think the important takeaway is Number One, she was shocked 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:18.040 about what happened. Number Two, your indications are she won't 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.880 take the job back as it's presently constituted. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.559 Because I don't mix it up. I'm not indicating one 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.320 or the other. I'm telling you I don't know what 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.439 Terry's answer that definitively is or would be. And even 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:30.880 if I did, and I wouldn't share it, I would 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:32.280 let her do it and her attorney do it at 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:34.839 due time. What I'm telling you is you wouldn't take 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.120 it back. I wouldn't take it back, and Mike wouldn't 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.200 take it back. But Terry's independent, Terry's confident, and that's 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.840 for Terry to decide if that ever comes to fruition. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.040 Is there some information she has about the mayor or 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.160 the city manager that would require her to sign an 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.680 NDA in order to get the settlement? 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.080 To my knowledge, none of those discussions have taken place, 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.320 and if they've had, Terry's kept them between herself and 0:13:58.320 --> 0:13:58.880 her attorney. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.480 So there may be something that you can make public 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.400 to embarrass the city behavior. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.599 No, I'm just responding to the NBA. I don't know 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:11.920 the embarrassment side of it, Bill, I can't answer it. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.160 I think there are things that took place in her 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.000 in her career during her administration that would benefit her 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.200 through litigation, but I don't know what those are at 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:21.560 this time, and we'll just have to leave it that 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.760 way until mister m decides what to do with what 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.360 information he compiles, or what he chooses to do. 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.000 Going forward to Davis with Chris Finny Law firm, a 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:34.960 week before all these events transpired, she was, in your view, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.000 respected by Cheryl long respected. I can recall we had 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.320 numerous news conferences on the air. It was af Tab, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:47.280 it was Cheryl and and it was long and also Thiji. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.720 The three of them stood up there. Questions were asked 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.360 of the mayor, for example, are you satisfied with the 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.000 chief of police? Every time it was yes, Yes, her 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.600 evaluations were exceptional or above exceptional, whatever the that is, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.800 and that this was up to the moment she was 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.440 put on administrative leave. Was there a triggering event that 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.920 went from exceptional to your gone? Because normally in normal life, 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.760 you if you have a bad employee, you give them 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.080 bad reviews. You know you got to improve this, got 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.120 to do that. I've seen the reviews. They're off the charts. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.080 Teresa Tiji was at the top. All of a sudden, 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.960 she's gone. What happened in those two or three days 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.640 that caused that to transpire? When the mayor says she's 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.320 better in sliced bread, now she's going to be sliced, 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:30.280 what happened? 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.080 It's the question for the mayor to answer. It's a question. 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.320 He's not a question for the mayor answer. It's a 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:37.280 question for the manager. 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:38.320 She's not talking. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.680 You're correct, and we don't know what it is that 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:42.880 caused this to happen. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.080 Bill, yesterday, you're looking at the mayor. You were sitting 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.400 at that table. You've been in public service in Cincinnati 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.720 for more than thirty years, a captain well known, the 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.960 family and Neville family is well known. You look at 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.320 the mayor and you said, we need a strongly or 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.160 a week leader. What did you say to the mayor 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.320 and he did not respond to you? Man to man 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.760 Eyeball to eyeball, what did you say to Aftab? 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:12.120 Basically, I basically shared that the city is under week leadership, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.760 whether it be him or the manager. I said that, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.240 I think people who are going out to vote need 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.440 to make a decision on what's most important to them. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.200 Is it going forward, is it improvement or is it 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.920 maintaining a loyalty or commitment to whatever thought process you 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.000 have that have placed him in there. And I offered 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.480 to people not to vote for the coward. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.680 So you're calling Aftab pure of all, a coward. 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:34.000 I called him a coward. 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:35.440 What about Cheryl Long? 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:41.360 Cheryl Long wasn't there. She's out there, she skipped, She 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.880 wasn't there. She did arrive. I think as we were 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.600 leaving chambers, I did not see her go in. I 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.240 was told she came in after we had left chambers. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:53.040 So that's where we are. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.080 She did a great job in North College Hill. Now 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.920 she's doing it for the people of Cincinnati. 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:03.160 Yeah, it's the decision making of those that are in charge. Now, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.000 Bill that has us where we are. That mayor has 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:10.680 no he generates no benefit to the city of Cincinnati. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.679 He does not, truly, truly, in his gut, in his heart, 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.840 care about the people of Cincinnati, the constituents. He's wasting money, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.399 he's wasting resources. He treated a thirty five year veteran 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.600 of this department like the trash to be thrown out. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:33.359 And I think the voters please please understand that literally 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.920 crime if things hadn't happened in the downtown business district, 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.240 I don't know that this happens. The American answer that 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.800 litigation may answer that I don't know, but I will 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.679 offer you have crime plateaus, you have an ebb and 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.080 flow of crime throughout the other fifty one neighborhoods. Mayor 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.639 has never shown this type of response and benefit or 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:57.520 support of those neighborhoods. And I think I think it's 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.359 I'm not thinking. I'm certain this is a political decision. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.440 It's a scapegoat situation. I think he's weak. I think 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.119 he's a coward, and I think he's bad for this city. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.119 And I wish people would come out, get out of 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:16.760 their comfort zone, vote for new leadership. And I really 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:18.640 believe this. If you want to go down to council 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.720 and vote for four or five of the current council members, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:26.399 do it. Do it, get some new council representative. And 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:33.200 there's Smitherman, Keating Curry, I think still Scottie Johnson actually 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.840 on there now, some mixture, some new and some old blood, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.399 and let's see what can be done. But regarding the mayor, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.440 do not do not cast a vote for the marriage 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.439 just because you're down there voting for the council representatives. 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.480 Vote for new leadership. People know what that means. Vote 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.320 for new leadership in that mayor seat. If you want 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.080 to see economic improvement, if you want to see first 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.800 responder management improvement, if you want to see humane treatment. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.200 I highly recommend people come out and those that haven't 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.880 voted in ten years or so, Billy, check the website, 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.480 see if their registration is still valid. Come out, come out. 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.280 We're still sitting at twenty five twenty eight percent right now. Low. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.800 If we get that to say thirty five forty forty 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.800 five fifty, specifically on the west side, Hyde Park, Mount 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:26.640 look Out, Mount Washington, we can have new leadership. Yeah, 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.919 people have to vote to get off. Vote off your 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:30.879 duff and go do something. If you care, I mean 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:31.480 if you don't care. 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.520 If you don't care, don't vote, don't care. If you 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.240 like the status quo, want to continue with this, you 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.359 know what to do. Don't vote or vote for AFTAB 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:40.720 you call him the coward of Cincinnati. You have to 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:41.520 have puivault. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.280 Well, I think he's a bad manager. I think he's disloyal, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.040 I think he lies. I think he's a coward the 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.520 way he's handled this. And you know what, a week 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.639 and a half prior to this, he says to my 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.520 brother that there's no light between he and the chief. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.879 While all this is brewing, apparently, I mean yesterday, my 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.760 brother Mike has approached by Iris Rowley at council chambers 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.520 to show support for Terry and how much she believes 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.800 she's being mistreated and this is being let me finish 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.000 this being mistreated, and how much she treats, appreciates and 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.399 respects her and wishes things work out well. Whether Iris 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.000 believes that or not, I don't know. But people who 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.320