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Speaker 1: By Billy Cunningham, the great American. Of course, the issue

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Speaker 1: of the firing Charlie Say, administrative discharge in a sense

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Speaker 1: of Chief of Police Thigi is on the front burner

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the big election issues coming up

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. In the studio with me? Now, is Captain

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Speaker 1: russ Neville retired? Is that correct? How many years you've

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Speaker 1: been four thirty four years? Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: I did? I enjoyed it, respect it, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, you're the brother, let's get it out

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Speaker 1: there of Terry Thigi. She is your sister, correct, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: A little bit of the history of Chief Thiji A

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Speaker 1: mother of four? Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: She went through the whole police department from bottom to

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Speaker 1: top with four kids, and I guess there are adults

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Speaker 1: by this point. And then how many grandchildren does she have?

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Speaker 2: She has nine grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: So the city manager and Mary wants to fire a

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Speaker 1: mother and a grandmother. Correct, yes, Tell me about Tell

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Speaker 1: me about your feelings about what happened to Chief Thigi

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Speaker 1: and why was so unfair?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a combination of reasons. But the

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Speaker 2: way it came about is ridiculously unfair, bordering on inhumane.

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Speaker 2: There were opportunities for communication that could have ended in

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Speaker 2: a different fashion. Basically, what they did is they forced

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Speaker 2: her to fight, and we're not going to walk away

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Speaker 2: from a fight. She dedicated thirty five years to the city.

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Speaker 2: She was a good team player, a leader. She is

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Speaker 2: not and I emphasized not a DEI higher. She earned

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Speaker 2: everything she got through her thirty five years. She was

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Speaker 2: mentored by some of the best and brightest minds of

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Speaker 2: Jim Whalen, Vince Demassi. Not bad, not bad at all.

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Speaker 2: So if anybody wants to throw DEI out related to Terry,

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Speaker 2: they are way off base.

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Speaker 1: She earned it, earned it a hard way, the hard way,

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Speaker 1: being a mother and a grandmother while being in a

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Speaker 1: cop You mentioned this the other day. Not easy. It's

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Speaker 1: did it without without reservation, without anger, without frustration. She

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Speaker 2: She did it with pride and commitment and dedication and care.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't begin to tell the amount Terry cares regarding

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Speaker 2: the communities. And I mean all fifty two, not one

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Speaker 2: or two, like the mayor, all fifty two communities, all demographics.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to Terry. What's right is right, and

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Speaker 2: what service needs to be provided shall be provided.

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Speaker 1: Why was she I'll use the term fired, because that's

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Speaker 1: where it's coming. I can't imagine after this review, bought

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Speaker 1: and paid for by the mayor, the law firm that

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Speaker 1: you know, Mayor, you're wrong. You know what's going to

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Speaker 1: come in a couple months is smearing of thief chief Fiji. Well,

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Speaker 1: why do you think it happened.

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Speaker 2: I think it happened because she had a desire to

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Speaker 2: violent crime. And I think she had thoughts, plans, and

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Speaker 2: ideas on that. And I will leave it at that

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Speaker 2: I believe the mayor had a different opinion.

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Speaker 1: As far as the administrative put on the administrative leave

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Speaker 1: with pay of your sister. The mayor said a day

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Speaker 1: or two after this happened, we're going to start enforcing

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Speaker 1: the law. We're going to have misdemeanors being enforced. You know,

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Speaker 1: going back about one hundred years that when you enforce

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Speaker 1: he's classified as property damage, you know something's wrong. Do

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Speaker 1: because it hasn't happened so far.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't begin to tell you what message the mayor got,

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Speaker 2: lesser crimes are focused on and were focused on under Terry.

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Speaker 2: But the reality it is Bill, if there's a revolving

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Speaker 2: it's irrelevant. They there needs to be something done to

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Speaker 1: That's not on the coppers it's not on the cops.

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Speaker 2: It's on the judges exactly. And I am here to

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Speaker 1: I think Channel twelve had this report about the emails,

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Speaker 2: I don't see why it was wrong or how it

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Speaker 2: I just have to leave it at that until anything

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Speaker 1: Well, what is does Chief Thiji want her job back?

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Speaker 2: I can't speak for her Bill either. I talked to

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Speaker 1: You must talk to her every day. Talk to her

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Speaker 2: I'm going to refrain from answering a question based on

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Speaker 1: I would say no, because how do you work in

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Speaker 1: Was there a sense under your sister's leadership that she

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Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of, and I talked to her

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Speaker 1: So going back to my point, does she want her

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to answer that. I will tell you this,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to speak for Terry.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you and your brother Mike went Why wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Well today, meaning only under these circumstances wanting the job

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Speaker 2: to two individuals that have treated them so inhumanely. One

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Speaker 2: each of those. So you have to balance those elements

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Speaker 2: and reporting to two people who treat it so inhumanely,

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Speaker 2: who clearly don't want you there, And let's emphasize it

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Speaker 2: is two people Bill, it's not one.

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Speaker 1: What was it inhumane about her discharge?

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Speaker 2: It was done in a shockingly surprising way. She didn't

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Speaker 2: see it coming, didn't see it coming. It was done

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Speaker 1: From chera Long's perspective, why do it then? It's like embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: According to media accounts, someone was listening to me at

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Speaker 1: thinking this isn't good. But somebody approved her trip to Denver.

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Speaker 1: She didn't do this. Did city manager approve her trip

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Speaker 2: Bill. She had authorization to go to Denver and represent

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Speaker 2: and she was summoned back shot.

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Speaker 1: Would you say she was shocked at that maneuver by

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Speaker 2: I would say she was caught that she needed to

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Speaker 1: Because right now, as I understand it, she's an I

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Speaker 1: be an illegal reason. But if the city manager would

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Speaker 1: something Sheryl Long that said, I got thirty five years

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Speaker 1: in October twentieth as my anniversary. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: to the future. Do you recall seeing that text. I'm

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Speaker 1: aware that text is out there. And as far as

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Speaker 1: Do you know how she was fired put on administrative leave?

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Speaker 2: You know how? I truly don't. I don't recall if

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Speaker 1: Was she shocked about that? She was caught off guard,

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Speaker 1: How is she doing today? This afternoon? Is she actually

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Speaker 1: it's interesting you ask. Over a thousand people have asked

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Speaker 1: But with that said, it's a kick to the gut.

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Speaker 2: Her. Her feelings are hurt, her reputation has been tarnished.

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Speaker 2: But with that said Bill, she I gid you not.

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Speaker 2: She is approached everywhere we go, or she goes in

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Speaker 1: She's going sixty seventy miles an hour. All of a

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Speaker 1: sudden there's a crash and at this point she I

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Speaker 1: guess four kids, how many grandkids?

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Speaker 2: Nine?

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Speaker 1: Nine, maybe some on the way. She's a mother and

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Speaker 1: and she's always cared for her family. Now she's always

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Speaker 1: and going forward, who knows what's going to happen. I

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Speaker 1: think the important takeaway is Number One, she was shocked

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Speaker 2: Because I don't mix it up. I'm not indicating one

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Speaker 2: if I did, and I wouldn't share it, I would

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Speaker 2: take it back. But Terry's independent, Terry's confident, and that's

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Speaker 2: for Terry to decide if that ever comes to fruition.

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Speaker 1: Is there some information she has about the mayor or

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Speaker 2: To my knowledge, none of those discussions have taken place,

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Speaker 2: and if they've had, Terry's kept them between herself and

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Speaker 1: So there may be something that you can make public

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just responding to the NBA. I don't know

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Speaker 2: the embarrassment side of it, Bill, I can't answer it.

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Speaker 2: I think there are things that took place in her

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Speaker 2: through litigation, but I don't know what those are at

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Speaker 2: this time, and we'll just have to leave it that

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Speaker 1: Going forward to Davis with Chris Finny Law firm, a

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Speaker 1: week before all these events transpired, she was, in your view,

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Speaker 1: The three of them stood up there. Questions were asked

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Speaker 1: chief of police? Every time it was yes, Yes, her

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Speaker 1: you if you have a bad employee, you give them

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Speaker 1: bad reviews. You know you got to improve this, got

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Speaker 1: to do that. I've seen the reviews. They're off the charts.

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Speaker 1: Teresa Tiji was at the top. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: what happened?

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Speaker 2: It's the question for the mayor to answer. It's a question.

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Speaker 2: He's not a question for the mayor answer. It's a

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Speaker 1: She's not talking.

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Speaker 2: You're correct, and we don't know what it is that

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Speaker 1: Bill, yesterday, you're looking at the mayor. You were sitting

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Speaker 1: family and Neville family is well known. You look at

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Speaker 1: the mayor and you said, we need a strongly or

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Speaker 1: Eyeball to eyeball, what did you say to Aftab?

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Speaker 2: Basically, I basically shared that the city is under week leadership,

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Speaker 2: I think people who are going out to vote need

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Speaker 2: Is it going forward, is it improvement or is it

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Speaker 1: So you're calling Aftab pure of all, a coward.

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Speaker 2: I called him a coward.

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Speaker 1: What about Cheryl Long?

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Speaker 2: Cheryl Long wasn't there. She's out there, she skipped, She

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Speaker 2: wasn't there. She did arrive. I think as we were

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Speaker 2: So that's where we are.

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Speaker 1: She did a great job in North College Hill. Now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the decision making of those that are in charge. Now,

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Speaker 2: Bill that has us where we are. That mayor has

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Speaker 2: no he generates no benefit to the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: He does not, truly, truly, in his gut, in his heart,

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Speaker 2: care about the people of Cincinnati, the constituents. He's wasting money,

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Speaker 2: he's wasting resources. He treated a thirty five year veteran

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Speaker 2: And I think the voters please please understand that literally

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Speaker 2: I don't know that this happens. The American answer that

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Speaker 2: litigation may answer that I don't know, but I will

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Speaker 2: offer you have crime plateaus, you have an ebb and

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Speaker 2: I'm not thinking. I'm certain this is a political decision.

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Speaker 2: It's a scapegoat situation. I think he's weak. I think

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Speaker 2: And I wish people would come out, get out of

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Speaker 2: believe this. If you want to go down to council

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Speaker 2: and vote for four or five of the current council members,

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Speaker 2: do it. Do it, get some new council representative. And

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Speaker 2: there's Smitherman, Keating Curry, I think still Scottie Johnson actually

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Speaker 2: and let's see what can be done. But regarding the mayor,

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Speaker 2: do not do not cast a vote for the marriage

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Speaker 2: just because you're down there voting for the council representatives.

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Speaker 2: Vote for new leadership. People know what that means. Vote

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Speaker 2: for new leadership in that mayor seat. If you want

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Speaker 2: to see economic improvement, if you want to see first

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Speaker 2: responder management improvement, if you want to see humane treatment.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend people come out and those that haven't

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Speaker 2: voted in ten years or so, Billy, check the website,

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Speaker 2: see if their registration is still valid. Come out, come out.

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Speaker 2: We're still sitting at twenty five twenty eight percent right now. Low.

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Speaker 2: If we get that to say thirty five forty forty

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Speaker 2: five fifty, specifically on the west side, Hyde Park, Mount

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Speaker 2: look Out, Mount Washington, we can have new leadership. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: people have to vote to get off. Vote off your

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Speaker 2: duff and go do something. If you care, I mean

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Speaker 2: if you don't care.

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Speaker 1: If you don't care, don't vote, don't care. If you

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Speaker 1: like the status quo, want to continue with this, you

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Speaker 1: know what to do. Don't vote or vote for AFTAB

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Speaker 1: you call him the coward of Cincinnati. You have to

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Speaker 2: Well, I think he's a bad manager. I think he's disloyal,

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Speaker 2: I think he lies. I think he's a coward the

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Speaker 2: While all this is brewing, apparently, I mean yesterday, my

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Speaker 2: she's being mistreated and this is being let me finish

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Speaker 2: this being mistreated, and how much she treats, appreciates and

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Speaker 2: respects her and wishes things work out well. Whether Iris

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Speaker 2: from behind closed doors and share it. It's not about Terry.

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Speaker 2: It's about future seats for this chief position, the fire

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Speaker 2: chief position. It's about the future of the city. Right.

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Speaker 2: If we want to use Terry as a process of

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Speaker 2: we'll do that. She shouldn't be going through it. But

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Speaker 2: with that said, there's council members reach out and they say,

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Speaker 2: They sit there and they they toe the line, as

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Speaker 2: you say, they tow the line, Bill, And that is

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Speaker 2: that leadership, is that character. It's neither we.

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Speaker 1: Got to run, Captain Russ Noville, good luck, get out

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Speaker 1: and vote. We get the government we deserve. And at

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Speaker 1: times that concerns me. Thank you, sir, captain, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. Than Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WO