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Speaker 1: Here we go the Mowagger Show MLK day here in

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Speaker 1: a freezing cold Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, it's cold outside.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for choosing me. We have a ton to

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Speaker 1: get to today. Taran and I both with full bellies.

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Speaker 1: That was a good new addition to the list. Taran,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I I personally and I don't think Arran

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Speaker 1: either had ever had Taglios. And we tried the Detroit style,

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Speaker 1: a little spicy attack outstanding. It's it's on the list now, Darren.

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Speaker 3: I expected to be in rotation whenever you're in for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had, like you know, we we had a

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Speaker 1: staple a go to that we always did Italian at

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Speaker 1: upon that. But yeah, Taglio's is uh is gonna It's

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Speaker 1: It was very good and and everybody was coming out

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Speaker 1: of the woodwork, hey can I can I try a.

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Speaker 4: Little bit of that?

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Speaker 3: And being the nice guys that we are.

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Speaker 4: We let them. We let it.

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Speaker 1: We shared.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we did because we would have eaten that

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Speaker 1: whole thing, and then this show would have been a

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Speaker 1: lot to the energy on this show would have been

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Speaker 1: a lot different. You'd you'd have caught us coming back

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Speaker 1: from a nap, just dead air for like thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Oh what hey, Oh we're on Live Mike. Okay, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Is very good. So yeah, winners go first, right Tarn.

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Speaker 1: That's the theme around here, That's.

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Speaker 3: The motto on the show. Winners go first.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bearcats the big winner this weekend. And boy, it's

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Speaker 1: been a while since we could say that, Like October

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Speaker 1: was the last time we could really say that.

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Speaker 3: I say, back to back wings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they get Colorado at home, which Colorado's

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Speaker 1: not very good, so you need to especially when you're

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Speaker 1: rowing three in conference, you need to get that one.

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Speaker 1: But I think people looked at Iowa State and including me,

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Speaker 1: including me, hand up, I'll own it, didn't think there

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Speaker 1: was a snowball's chance, and you know what that they

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Speaker 1: at home. They did a lot of things well and

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Speaker 1: really outside of if if Monchilovich Milan Montchilovich for Iowa

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Speaker 1: State doesn't go out of his mind in the final

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Speaker 1: five minutes. This is this like a Paija Stoyakovich. I

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Speaker 1: heard I heard them bring up paysia uh in the

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Speaker 1: when they were during Since he three sixty not a

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Speaker 1: need space. I mean, the man is shooting fifty two

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Speaker 1: it's not like he's taking them like toes at the line.

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Speaker 1: A couple of those on Saturday were deep. But if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't go nuclear, Cincinnati wins that game by fifteen seventeen,

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Speaker 1: twenty points. They were up seventeen with seven minutes left

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Speaker 1: and really played well down the stretch this time, like

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Speaker 1: we've seen them give away leads and usually they give

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Speaker 1: That was terrible? Now they played pretty well down the

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Speaker 1: stretch and Mamchovich still was able to give Iowa State

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Speaker 1: They have played extremely hard for him. They have not

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Speaker 1: let the circumstance impact their effort. They've played five Big

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Speaker 1: twelve games. They have three losses by a combined ten points.

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Speaker 1: They've won the other two so this is a team

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Speaker 1: that was not good in the non conference. Let's make

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Speaker 1: no mistake about this. They were not good in non

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Speaker 1: Gisel James returned, this has been a much better team.

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be good enough to erase the

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Speaker 1: problem is you're still looking at a lot of games

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Speaker 1: at best. If you look at kem pom right now,

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Speaker 1: The problem is your record at ten and eight puts

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Speaker 1: work to be done, a lot of work to be done.

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Speaker 1: But this fan base needed that. That's more than anything

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Speaker 1: seeing this fan base get to enjoy that type of victory,

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Speaker 1: with that feeling of getting your seats, getting to witness

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Speaker 1: now or at least going into these past two games.

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't being rewarded. But Saturday it was. There

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Speaker 1: of UC stuff. Today. We'll talk to Kegan Nicholson at

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Speaker 1: the transfer portal class is complete, they're mostly complete, and

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk a lot of Reds today, a lot

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Speaker 1: of Reds today. As Reds Fest was over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: the ramp up has begun for spring training. What are

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Speaker 1: we tearing three weeks from the start of spring training? Yes,

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Speaker 1: pitchers and catchers reporting you hate baseball season? Tearing just

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Speaker 1: like did every night until eleven o'clock, twelve o'clock at night. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure those five months where there's no baseball season

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Speaker 1: back on the grind. Now they're good this year than

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind it. Well, yeah, but that's that's the thing,

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Speaker 1: like being being good? What what what constitutes good is

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Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, tern Are you, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yes, first team baseball team. I rooted it for.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have always I was a diehard Reds fan

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Speaker 1: when you're that age and you're picking your teams. I am.

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Speaker 1: I want to say I'm excited for this season, but

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Speaker 1: I'm making sure our middle relief is better this year

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Speaker 1: It's a cheap way of thinking, Arran, because you can

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Speaker 3: That was awful.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry for that.

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Speaker 1: I played well along with you, I know, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the best asset they have in that organization is

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Speaker 1: Derek Johnson, who has proven to be an outstanding pitching coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're trying to win a lot of games

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Speaker 1: What's the vision, what is the goal? The goals to

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Speaker 3: It was it David Bills, Like last year we sucked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they don't have enough offense. The pitching is fine.

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Speaker 6: To you explaining something mean? I mean what you just

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Speaker 4: Okay, over the last week or so, but all.

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Speaker 6: I you know what, I'm not disagreeing with you, understand

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Speaker 6: Right, I understand that that's what that's That was so

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, Chad, it's not so much a star,

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Speaker 6: They played extraordinary good against us.

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Speaker 1: Here here's an interesting thing that I don't hear a

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Speaker 6: That's true.

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Speaker 1: So the Bengals are looking at guys that are have

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Speaker 6: Like I like that, You're right, it's so true. I

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 6: And lately and lately.

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Speaker 1: A lot of coal, Anthony, A lot of coal. All right, man,

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Speaker 1: That makes you moving, all right? I was three hundred months.

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Speaker 1: It's so good, I asked Taren. We can ask Kegan this, Kegan,

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Speaker 9: If you start walking weird, I think, like your steps

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do that, Arran.

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Speaker 1: They play it at every football practice, you know, like

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Speaker 1: don't care, Like I'll dance more aggressively if I know

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Speaker 1: he's recording than if not. So yeah, it's a possibility, Tarn. Kegan,

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Speaker 1: how the heck are you?

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Speaker 9: I'm doing excellent?

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Speaker 10: How are you?

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Speaker 1: Was it a different feel? Saturday night into Sunday into Monday.

441
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Speaker 1: After the Bearcats get the signature win of the West

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Speaker 1: Miller era, beating number two Iowa State at home.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think a lot of people were confused because

444
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Speaker 9: they hadn't felt that feeling, probably since you see beat

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Speaker 9: Iowa State in football, So it had been a little

446
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Speaker 9: bit since they've been able to be extremely excited and

447
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 9: had won a football game that they are wanted, just

448
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 9: athletic contest that they probably weren't supposed to win. So

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Speaker 9: credit to West Miller and his team. But you know,

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Speaker 9: I don't know how many college basketball teams have ever

451
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Speaker 9: beat number one in number two and back to back games.

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Speaker 9: But they've got a chance to.

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Speaker 11: Do something pretty rare coming this Wednesday, something that hasn't

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Speaker 11: been done since two thousand and eight in the NCAA

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Speaker 11: Tournament by Kansas, and that's beat number one and number

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Speaker 11: two in back to back games.

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Speaker 1: What for you was the difference in this Cincinnati team?

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Speaker 1: Not only and they had a seventeen point lead, and

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Speaker 1: with seven and a half minutes left, Mili Montchilovitch got

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Speaker 1: scorching hot and was able to make it interesting. But

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Speaker 1: ultimately Cincinnati controlled that second half and they got across

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Speaker 1: the finish line with a nine point win. What was

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Speaker 1: the difference for you?

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Speaker 9: There's a couple things and you might disagree with me,

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Speaker 9: but I think the biggest yeah, my tenure. I think

466
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Speaker 9: the biggest thing is having the seventh and eighth guy

467
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Speaker 9: step up kind of outside of that usual six name

468
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Speaker 9: rotation that they use at the starting five. And then

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Speaker 9: Jalen Celestine, Keishan Tillery and Tyler McKinley played some really

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Speaker 9: really valuable minutes and they didn't like blow up the

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Speaker 9: stat sheet by any means, but they made big plays

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Speaker 9: on defense, and they scored the basketball when they had

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Speaker 9: it in their hands even the few times they did,

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Speaker 9: and they didn't make any catastrophic plays like turnovers or

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Speaker 9: anything of that nature. And like, you don't see the

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Speaker 9: output from them a ton, but you also don't see

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Speaker 9: Iowa State taking advantage of them being on the floor

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Speaker 9: and going on ten oh runs and then completely flipping

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Speaker 9: the momentum, So I think that was huge. And then

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Speaker 9: actually making three point shots, like you talked about it

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Speaker 9: before the game. You thought Celestine was going to make

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Speaker 9: four or five frees just because of how he was

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Speaker 9: shooting in warm ups, and he delivered. Dayda Thomas was

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Speaker 9: really good from three, and I think him getting more

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Speaker 9: involved offensively and just being more aggressive was a huge

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Speaker 9: boost for you.

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Speaker 1: See, I actually agree with most of those points. I

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Speaker 1: will also say the other big Thingkegan for me was

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Speaker 1: Dayda Thomas and Gigsel James hit their mid range shots. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know they had They each had one late in

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Speaker 1: that game that helped stem that push from Mom Chilovich,

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Speaker 1: and I would say the difference was they were both

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Speaker 1: and I hate mid range jump shots, you know that,

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Speaker 1: Like I how much do I yell about mid range

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Speaker 1: jump shots every time they take them?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 1: They took step in mid range jump shots a lot

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Speaker 1: of times. If you watch they're dribbling sideways. You know

499
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Speaker 1: they're they're they're trying to like hesitation, dribble and create space,

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Speaker 1: and they're going side. Their body's not square, they're kind

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Speaker 1: of floating. Both of those mid range jumpers they took

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Speaker 1: in those late game situations were move the defender, but

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Speaker 1: then step into your shot and shoot with a good base,

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Speaker 1: shoot with you know, a normal shooting platform. And they

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Speaker 1: knock both of them in the thing about Tyler McKinley,

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Speaker 1: I'll give him an incredible amount of credit for for

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Speaker 1: the last big portion of that game. Iowa State put

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Speaker 1: Josh Jefferson at the five. Jefferson is one of the

509
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Speaker 1: more versatile, efficient, effective big men in the country. It's

510
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Speaker 1: got a triple double earlier this year, flirts with a

511
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Speaker 1: triple double on a regular basis. And Tyler McKinley Keegan

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Speaker 1: came in and held his own against Jefferson, and I

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Speaker 1: really thought that opened the door for Cincinnati, especially in

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Speaker 1: that middle part of the second half where they pulled away.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think just actually and Wes mentioned it,

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Speaker 9: and he didn't. You kind of thought it might have

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Speaker 9: been a closer role, which it's what it was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't this game three eight.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and kind of Wes said, Yeah, that's that's the

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Speaker 9: good thing about having depths, and like actually having those

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Speaker 9: guys and having them healthy where you can play them

522
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Speaker 9: in those spot minutes is huge, like where you can

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Speaker 9: kind of cherry pick. But also credit to the offense

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Speaker 9: for being able to put them in that position to

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Speaker 9: where you can put a guy in before he knows

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Speaker 9: good defensively, but isn't going to give you a ton

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Speaker 9: of offense just to shut down one of their best scorers.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm happy. Tyler McKinley

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Speaker 9: is seeming to be healthy and he's going to be

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Speaker 9: able to play more than the eight minutes a game

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Speaker 9: that he was playing in Big twelve play before the

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Speaker 9: guy was tacking.

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Speaker 1: And now it eases up for Cincinnati. Right, they take

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Speaker 1: down number two at home. The next up, the unanimous

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Speaker 1: the new a the pe pole is out. Also, congratulations

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Speaker 1: to Travis Steel and the Miami RedHawks. They're in at

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Speaker 1: number twenty five as they continue their undefeated run at

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Speaker 1: nineteen and zero. But you go from number two on

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Speaker 1: your home floor to the unanimous number one on their

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Speaker 1: home floor. Easy peasy, Right, you just go take care

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Speaker 1: of Arizona and keep it moving.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you get a full weekend out west, so they'll

543
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Speaker 9: be able to get familiar with the warm temperatures and

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Speaker 9: not be out of the or they'll be out of

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Speaker 9: the cold that I don't know, I probably don't have

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Speaker 9: much of an impact. So yeah, Arizona is a really,

547
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Speaker 9: really good team and it's going to be extremely tough.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I was asked before the Iowa State game

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Speaker 9: if I thought there was a path, and I really

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Speaker 9: didn't see one. But I feel like if you see

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Speaker 9: plays like they played, I'm gonna drink the kool aid

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Speaker 9: and what Wes Millier has been saying. They can play

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Speaker 9: with anyone, like they can beat anybody if they take

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Speaker 9: care of the ball as they did, if they make

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Speaker 9: the shots that they did, especially as TJ. Lzberger talked

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Speaker 9: talked about it, it was timely shots, like when Iowa

557
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Speaker 9: State was putting together a little bit of momentum, they

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Speaker 9: made that shot to kind of quell anything. So, I mean,

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Speaker 9: Arizona is super super good, and I'm I would be

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna be taking Arizona to win that game. I'm

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Speaker 9: not saying you See is gonna go in and win

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Speaker 9: by any means. But I just think if you play

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Speaker 9: that consistently, you play to your identity like you see

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Speaker 9: can play with a lot of teams, So you know

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Speaker 9: it's gonna be interesting and it should be a fun game.

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Speaker 1: Here's the wild part about that, Kean on ken Pom,

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Speaker 1: I think it was like five point difference predicted in

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Speaker 1: that Iowa State game. Iowa State was predicted to win

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Speaker 1: by five points on ken Pom. Yeah, how much do

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Speaker 1: you think? What do you think? Ken Palm predicts the

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Speaker 1: final score to be Wednesday night.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna guess eighty three to sixty.

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Speaker 1: Eight, really close, eighty two to sixty five. They predict

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Speaker 1: a seventeen point Arizona win on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 9: That was funny because after the game, Kelsey's sitting in

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Speaker 9: the media room and she goes, Dad, are they gonna

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Speaker 9: beat Arizona? And you just we both look at her

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Speaker 9: like no, Like there's a there's a pretty big leap

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Speaker 9: between one and two and the eight people. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they are.

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Speaker 1: They are as well rounded as any team in the country.

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Speaker 1: They've got three guys that are star level guys, Burry's

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Speaker 1: Bradley Coepete, and then they've got del Orso and they've

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Speaker 1: got a Waka and a couple four and you know,

586
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Speaker 1: floor spacing guys. I'm not going to try to say

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Speaker 1: their names because just I'm not going to, but they

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Speaker 1: they are and they can play ten and feel like

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Speaker 1: they're not missing a beat. Like Tommy Lloyd has just

590
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Speaker 1: got a beast of a team this year. They I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're fourth in the country on offense, they're fifth in

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Speaker 1: the country on defense. They're way up there in effective

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Speaker 1: field goal percentage, offensive rebounding percentage, defensive rebounding percentage. How

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Speaker 1: about this, when's the last time you've seen a team

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Speaker 1: fourth in offensive rebound percentage and eleventh in defensive rebounding percentage.

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Speaker 1: They are not elite on one side of the glass.

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Speaker 1: They are elite on both sides. They are outstanding. I

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Speaker 1: mean the task You're gonna have to hope, like they

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Speaker 1: have the off night of the season on Wednesday for

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati to pull this one out.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and it'll probably be a thing where you see's

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Speaker 9: gonna have to turn them over a ton and score

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Speaker 9: on like every one of those possessions where they get

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Speaker 9: a turnover. You're gonna need multiple guys to four and

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Speaker 9: five to three, like Bobby Miller is gonna have to

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Speaker 9: have twenty and fifteen and Dayda and Joz that we

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Speaker 9: are going to have to be really really good.

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Speaker 1: But you know, and you still might lose by ten.

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Speaker 9: Shown Yeah, you still might lose by ten. I still

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Speaker 9: might cover. Yeah, but you know, the I don't know

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Speaker 9: if they're beating iwa State if it was in Hilton.

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Speaker 9: So like going into Arizona is going to be really

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Speaker 9: really tough. So they've got a lot of stuff working

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Speaker 9: against them.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the key on this trip is obviously going to

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Speaker 1: be the second game. You can't lose both. You got

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Speaker 1: to beat Arizona State.

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Speaker 12: Key.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, much appreciated. Good sir, and enjoy

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Speaker 1: your week and we'll see how things go Wednesday night.

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Speaker 1: Where can they find you?

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Speaker 9: All right at Caniguts and forty two on X and

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks gig, appreciate it. Let's take a break.

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Speaker 1: YEP hour number two coming up after this. This is

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Speaker 1: the Moegger Show on Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. Here we

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Speaker 1: go our number two Sincinati's ESPN fifteen thirty. This is

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Speaker 1: the Mowagger Show. I am not Mowager. Chad Brendel, Bearcat

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Speaker 1: Journal dot Com filling in for today. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: spending your Monday with me. MLK Monday, MLK Monday, Taran

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Speaker 1: and I enjoying. I've got the door open, Tarran. There's

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Speaker 1: nobody walking around talking and it's pretty quiet around here,

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Speaker 1: like I like the holidays in this place. It's it's

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Speaker 1: conducive to doing radio. It's not a lot of hustle

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Speaker 1: and bustle. Nobody's stopping in wanting to talk to you

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Speaker 1: get your take.

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Speaker 13: That.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people around here, Tarran, they

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Speaker 1: wait for the sports guys to come in so they

641
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Speaker 1: can get their sports takes, so then they can take

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Speaker 1: them home to their friends. Exactly what do you guys think?

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Speaker 1: I want an informed opinion so that now I'm informed

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Speaker 1: and I can look like the smart guy at the

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Speaker 1: bar tonight watching Miami and Indiana. We'll get to that

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Speaker 1: one an hour number three. I'm messed. I should ask Kean.

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Speaker 1: He's going to have a completely biased take. We know

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Speaker 1: that should ask Kean about tonight's national championship game as

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Speaker 1: a Hoosier alum. But we will get to the college

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Speaker 1: football playoff in our number three hour number two. We've

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Speaker 1: got Klay Snowden coming up at four thirty, so we'll

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Speaker 1: talk some reds. But before then, let's take a look back,

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Speaker 1: Tarn at the NFL results Divisional round? The conference championships

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Speaker 1: are set? Is it what you thought it would be?

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Speaker 1: Broncos Saturday over Time get the thirty three point thirty

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Speaker 1: win over the Bills. It comes with a very high cost,

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Speaker 1: as bo Nicks breaks his ankle on the last drive

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Speaker 1: and is out for the remainder of the playoffs. As

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Speaker 1: the Broncos advanced, Josh Allen four turnovers. He did have

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Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty three yards passing three touchdowns, but

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Speaker 1: four turnovers for Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: Was that an interception?

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Speaker 6: Was that?

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Speaker 3: Was that an interception?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: It was?

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Speaker 1: You got to complete the catch like it's It's not

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Speaker 1: just as simple as his knee was down and the

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Speaker 1: play stops. The guy from Denver completed the catch. He

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Speaker 1: made an incredible interception. Is that Josh Allen's fault? I

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Speaker 1: mean no, but he gets credit for the interception. He

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Speaker 1: fumbled three times, he lost two of them. He threw

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Speaker 1: two interceptions in the biggest moment maybe of his career.

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Speaker 1: No Burrow, no Mahomes, no Lamar Jackson. Josh Allen was

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Speaker 1: the big man on campus in the NFL playoffs other

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Speaker 1: than what maybe Stafford yep. This was his chance. This

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Speaker 1: was the window wide open for Josh Allen to carry

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Speaker 1: his team at least to the super Bowl. And instead,

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Speaker 1: two interceptions, two fumbles, and you lose in overtime on

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Speaker 1: a walk off field goal. I think it was a pick.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to complete the catch. It's not

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Speaker 1: as simple as my knee is down, the play is over.

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Speaker 1: If that was the rule, then the rule would be

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Speaker 1: a catch. But you have to complete the reception. You

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Speaker 1: have to complete it to the ground. And he did

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Speaker 1: not complete it to the ground. It got taken away

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Speaker 1: and Denver wins the game. I want to be careful

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Speaker 1: how I say this. I don't get the media infatuation

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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen. He has been turnover prone his entire career.

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Speaker 1: Outside of last year. He was a little bit better

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Speaker 1: at it this year, but he's been turnover prone his

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Speaker 1: entire career. He has proven in the big moments he

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Speaker 1: has not been able to get his team over the hump.

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Speaker 1: He has not been able to take down the guys

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Speaker 1: that are kind of ahead of him on this list.

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Speaker 1: And now in a situation where he can carry his

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Speaker 1: team to the AFC Championship game, he has a game

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Speaker 1: like that. QBR of forty eight Terran Yeap forty eight

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Speaker 1: was his QBR bo Knicks, three touchdowns, one pick. He

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Speaker 1: had a better game. He got outplayed by bow Knicks.

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Speaker 1: And give the Broncos credit. Their defense wasn't you know

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Speaker 1: the standard level of great that we have seen from

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Speaker 1: this Denver defense. But they did enough and they got

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Speaker 1: across the finish line. They go to the AFC Championship Game,

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Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to do it with Jared Stidham,

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Speaker 1: who has not thrown a pass this year. Tarn has

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Speaker 1: not thrown a pass this year to starter in the

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Speaker 1: AFC Championship Game. Now, that defense is good enough that

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Speaker 1: there's a chance that the Broncos. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that New England offense is incredible. I do like

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Speaker 1: Drake May a lot, But if they can keep this

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Speaker 1: thing close, I think there's a chance that even with Stidham,

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Speaker 1: that the Broncos can get to the Super Bowl. Now,

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Speaker 1: if they do, I think they're in big trouble.

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Speaker 4: They have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Broncos have a good formula, and I mean, like

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Speaker 3: I say, you play great Divisi and they can run the.

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Speaker 1: Ball, and they get a Patriots team that kind of

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Speaker 1: is built like them. Now, obviously you have the difference

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Speaker 1: between Now it's May versus Stidham as opposed to May

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Speaker 1: versus Nicks. So we'll see. The team I think is

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Speaker 1: the favorite right now, I think has to be the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Injuries Finally, caught up with the forty nine ers. The

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Speaker 1: Seahawks take back the opening kickoff. They never look back.

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Speaker 1: They dominate San Francisco for already one to six. Party

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Speaker 1: had a bad game. I mean, I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: anybody you can look at on that San Francisco team

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Speaker 1: and say that they played well. This was Michael Irvin

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Speaker 1: belt to ass pretty much from the opening kickoff the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: You didn't even really have a reason to watch that

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Speaker 1: game if you didn't like have to for work and get.

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Speaker 3: Away for Seattle to protect Sam Darnold he was dealing

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Speaker 3: with obleaku injury. Yeah, only had to throw the ball

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Speaker 3: seventeen times.

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Speaker 1: Look, I mean, and that was that could have been

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Speaker 1: devastating because that happened in practice, what on Thursday, Wednesday

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Speaker 1: or Thursday potentially like your quarterback is compromised. That Seahawks

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Speaker 1: defense is a lot of fun. And I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: honest if I've got I've really only got one rooting

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Speaker 1: interest in this thing, tarn I want to see my

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Speaker 1: boy Kobe Bryant get a Super Bowl. I was at

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Speaker 1: say yay, Kobe, I want to see my boy Kobe

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Speaker 1: Bryant get a Super Bowl. Of all the Bearcats in

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00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: the Luke Fickle era, there were none that were as accessible,

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Speaker 1: that were as likable, that were as you know, about

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Speaker 1: the right things as Kobe, and I would love to

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Speaker 1: see him get a chance to put on that Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl ring hoist the trophy and you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: cement his legacy. So Seattle dominates San Francisco and that

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Speaker 1: one Patriots twenty eight to sixteen over the Texans. Zer

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Speaker 1: roough day for your boy, CJ. Stroud tear zer roof day.

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Speaker 1: You talk about seeing ghosts. Four interceptions in the first half.

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Speaker 1: New England tried to keep them in it with fumbles.

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Speaker 1: At one point I think there were eight turnovers, five

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Speaker 1: from the Texans, three from the Patriots. Drake maylost to

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Speaker 1: but you get a couple of pick sixes. You you

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Speaker 1: put yourself in a situation where you did enough on offense.

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Speaker 1: I don't think right now New England is running it

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Speaker 1: very well. Ramandre Stevenson sixteen carries, seventy yards, Trey Young

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Speaker 1: Henderson twelve carries twenty five yards in total, thirty two

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Speaker 1: carries for one hundred and five yards three point three

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Speaker 1: yards per rush. I don't think they're going to be

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Speaker 1: able to run the ball against Denver.

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Speaker 3: Got a question in that game, if you if you

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Speaker 3: were Demiko Ryans, would you have made to.

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Speaker 1: Switch Probably, I mean four picks in the first half.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you didn't honestly, unless you just went,

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Speaker 1: look like, we don't trust what we have at backup

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Speaker 1: to be any better.

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Speaker 3: I Do's because he's proven it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: Oh, because, like you said, the game was right there

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Speaker 3: for saying going to the fourth quarter it was twenty

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Speaker 3: one to sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and really they were never out of it. In

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Speaker 1: the first half. It was twenty one to ten. It

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Speaker 1: felt like with those four interceptions and the returns on

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Speaker 1: those interceptions like factored in, that should have looked like

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Speaker 1: the Seattle game. And somehow the Texans, because their defense

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Speaker 1: is incredible, was able to hang around. I I'm surprised

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Speaker 1: they didn't. I'll just say that, I'm surprised they didn't

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Speaker 1: at least try something different. You want to talk about

783
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Speaker 1: bad running game, Houston ran it twenty two times for

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Speaker 1: forty eight yards. That's the only saving grace for Stroud.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had no time, So I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it mattered what quarterback you had in there. That

787
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Speaker 1: offensive line was getting decimated. Run and pass?

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Speaker 3: What about it? Our former bank was Joe Makeson wishing

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Speaker 3: I was playing.

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Speaker 1: He didn't touch the ball. Is he active? No, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't active.

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Speaker 4: No he wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they showed him down earlier earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I did not keep up with Houston, tell you

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Speaker 1: that much.

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Speaker 3: He didn't play at all this year.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. And then finally last night, Rams and Bears,

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Speaker 1: the magical run for Caleb Williams comes to an end.

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Speaker 1: Although that might have been one of the best throws

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen to send it to overtime, My god,

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Speaker 1: fifty one yards momentum going backwards for defenders in his

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Speaker 1: face and drops a fifty one yard dot to the

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Speaker 1: corner of the end zone on fourth down to send

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Speaker 1: it to overtime. But they can't get home the Rams

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Speaker 1: twenty to seventeen, Stafford two fifty eight, no touchdowns, but

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Speaker 1: no picks. Uh did get sacked four times? Like I mean, Tarren,

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Speaker 1: Is there a quarterback that had a good game in

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Speaker 1: the divisional round? Nope, Williams as good as he was

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Speaker 1: two fifty seven and two touchdowns. He threw three picks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Bears ran the ball better than anybody

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Speaker 1: else did this weekend. But yeah, I mean that's if

812
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Speaker 1: we're if we're bringing it all full circle to the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how how they get back to where

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Speaker 1: they want to get back to. Watching the defensive performances

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Speaker 1: we saw this weekend, that defense is so far from

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Speaker 1: looking anything like what we watch the winning teams put

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Speaker 1: on the field this weekend. And I guess you could

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Speaker 1: argue the Bills defense maybe wasn't great, so the Broncos

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Speaker 1: took advantage of a Bill's defense that was susceptible, But

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Speaker 1: Bears seventeen, Texans sixteen forty nine or six. The story

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Speaker 1: in the NFL right now are these aggressive, multiple fast,

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Speaker 1: physical defenses that are kind of, you know, the pendulum swings.

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Speaker 1: We saw the pendulum swing for a while on the

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Speaker 1: side of offense, and it feels like gets back towards defense.

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Speaker 1: And maybe that is a sub product, a byproduct of

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Speaker 1: not having Mahomes, not having Lamar, not having Burrow in

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Speaker 1: these playoffs, but defense has fueled the teams that are

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Speaker 1: going to be playing next Sunday. Defense has fueled those

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Speaker 1: teams to that point, and I don't know that that's

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Speaker 1: gonna change in the two games next Sunday and in

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, because that's the identity of these four

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Speaker 1: teams that are left. You got to have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that can make you a play. But none of them

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Speaker 1: are significantly other than Stafford. None of those teams are

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Speaker 1: quarterback dominated, and all of them are nasty defensively. Also,

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Speaker 1: how dumb do you feel if you are the front

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Speaker 1: office for the Tennessee Titans. You fired Mike Rabel, but

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Speaker 1: a season after two seasons after he had you as

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Speaker 1: the number one seed in the AFC, you fire Mike Rabel.

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Speaker 1: He comes back and in his first season back a

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Speaker 1: team that last year, going into last year, everybody thought

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Speaker 1: Taran remember that first Bengals opening game, everybody thought the

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00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: Patriots had the worst roster in the NFL. One season later,

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Speaker 1: one coaching change later, the guy that Tennessee had and

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Speaker 1: that they fired is now coaching to go to the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. That's the big loser of anybody in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break more when we come back,

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Speaker 1: since nat he's ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 9: Thirty here, you let's get done.

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Speaker 1: There is is it a mic requestion.

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, you was saying earlier than I

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Speaker 3: just thought about it.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm guessing Mike's down with this one. Mike,

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Mike?

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Speaker 4: Mike?

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Speaker 1: Uh, all right, well, Mike Earth to Mike. Sounds like

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Speaker 1: Mike's having a rough day, Tarn. We'll put Mike back

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Speaker 1: on hold. Klayton Notten coming up here in a few

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Speaker 1: minutes and we're going to talk some Reds and I

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Speaker 1: Redsfest is over. The next thing is spring training. The

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Speaker 1: next thing is pitchers and catchers report. We keep hearing

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Speaker 1: something else is coming. This team understands. They understand where

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Speaker 1: they're at. They understand it's the roster isn't exactly where

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Speaker 1: it needs to be. There needs to be some power added,

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Speaker 1: probably in the outfield. We saw that with the pursuit

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Speaker 1: of Kyle Schwarber, even though Schwarber at this point is

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Speaker 1: more of a designated hitter. They have they have told us, essentially,

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: the answer is not adding a power bat. The answer

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00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: is improving the bullpen, improving the the versatility and the

871
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: options in the middle relief corps. I agree that that

872
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: was necessary. I agree that it got to a point

873
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: last year where it felt like they only had two

874
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: or three relievers that they could really rely on when

875
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: the going got tough, and that makes it very difficult

876
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: as you're going through August and September trying to compete

877
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: for a playoff spot. But they didn't address the biggest need.

878
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: They instead said, we trust that the back of the

879
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: baseball card of these guys on our roster is going

880
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: to change. And in some ways, I'm guessing they will

881
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: be right. There will be guys that did not have

882
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: a good year last year that have a better the

883
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: year this year. But what their philosophy doesn't account for

884
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: is there will also be guys that had a good

885
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: year last year that won't be as good this year.

886
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: That's the nature of the beast. You're very very very

887
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: very rarely ever going to get improvement across the board

888
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: with nobody regressing, nobody missing three four months to an

889
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: injury that you were heavily counting on. So now we

890
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: are to believe. Now we are to buy in the

891
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: buy in The belief on this team is we would

892
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: have been one of the better teams in baseball, but

893
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: we just weren't good enough in the middle of our

894
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: bullpen and now that we fixed that, now everything's okay.

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Speaker 1: Even with Terry Francona saying to Lance on Friday night,

896
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: we're probably not gonna hit. We know we're going to

897
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: struggle to score runs. What I know, Terry's not picking

898
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: the roster, he is managing it, and he does look

899
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: at it and realize we're not good enough on offense.

900
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: And your front office didn't go do anything about it.

901
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: And now you want me to be excited leading into

902
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: the season. That's not how any of this works. Just

903
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Speaker 1: take a break, Clayson, Noteen, just baseball up next, since

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Speaker 1: that he's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: Here we go, Yo, here we go, Yo.

906
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: So here we go, Yo, here we go, Yo.

907
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: Here we go.

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01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: Yo knows this and Clay knows that. Play don't know, Jack,

909
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: because Clay can't wrap you. What do you think about that, Clay?

910
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 4: Oh man, I love it.

911
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Speaker 12: I wish you would have played the Bust Rhymes parted

912
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 12: at the end, though I.

913
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Speaker 1: Think the fifth part is better than the Buster Rhymes part.

914
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Speaker 1: This is maybe my number one five verse of all time.

915
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Speaker 1: Electric Relaxation. He's right there too, I agree.

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Speaker 12: But something about about that Bust Rhymes part is just awest.

917
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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it just gets you hype.

918
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 12: It's what's better than to get hype before you talk

919
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 12: about the Reds.

920
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: It's the first ever bust of rhymes, like like debut

921
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: like that was. That was the start of buster rhymes.

922
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: Scenario tribe called quest Wow Wow like a dungeon dragon.

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Speaker 12: After he did that verse, they all went back and

924
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 12: redid theirs because they were like.

925
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Speaker 4: We were not going the right that was.

926
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Speaker 1: That was better than we did. Uh, Doodoo Brown, get

927
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: back into the studio, put the headsets back on and

928
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: let's figure this out. What a great song and one

929
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: of the great music videos of all time as well.

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Speaker 12: Oh phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's talking Reds with Clayce, Notden Clay, Thanks man, Claisnoden.

932
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Speaker 1: Justbaseball dot Com. Clay is one of the best in

933
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: the business covering the Reds and does it, you know,

934
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,959
Speaker 1: from a little bit more of a ten thousand feet

935
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: view than a two thousand feet view of the mundane

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Speaker 1: day to day Clay, you had a good article that

937
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Speaker 1: you put up yesterday, zips projections for twenty twenty six.

938
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Speaker 1: The Reds are a young team that should be ready

939
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: to take a step forward. What does ZIPS have to

940
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: say about the chances of that happening. What is ZIPS

941
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: for the layman and what does it say about the

942
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Reds.

943
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Speaker 12: Yeah, ZIPS is really a in depth kind of equation,

944
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 12: if you will, But just to kind of give you

945
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 12: the overview, it's span Grafts projection system and a little

946
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 12: bit of a caveat is with younger players, it's it's

947
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 12: harder to predict because they don't have this sample size

948
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 12: as you know, more established players. But what it tells

949
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 12: you is exactly kind of what we think, which is

950
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 12: the offense is not good enough. There's a lot of

951
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 12: fine players, there's a lot of players that project to

952
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 12: be around league average, but.

953
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Speaker 4: It's just not enough.

954
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 12: And on the pitching side of things, it's looking good

955
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 12: like it's kind of what we expected and what we

956
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 12: saw last year. Maybe some slight regression from someone like

957
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 12: Nick Lodolo, but overall, Hunter Green's projected to be awesome,

958
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 12: and Andrew Abbott is as well. In Chase Burns is

959
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 12: really looking like he's going to break out according to

960
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 12: these projections.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing. But if you look at

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: just those four guys, Green, Abbott, Lodolo Burns. The Reds

963
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: could have day in and day out one of and

964
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: Singer in there as your fifth guy. Really, that should

965
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: be one of the better starting rotations in Major League Baseball.

966
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: Then they go out and they build around an already

967
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: pretty strong bullpen and make it at least on paper,

968
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: because bullpens are really volatile. And I do like the fact,

969
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: Clay that they took some of those high ending guys

970
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: from last year moved on from them, because that's usually

971
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: like bullpen regression, right, Like if a guy throws pitches

972
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: in eighty four games, like look for the next year

973
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Speaker 1: for him to maybe struggle a little bit. I think

974
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: they've relied on Derek Johnson, maybe their strongest asset in

975
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: the organization, but it also looks like they're potentially relying

976
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: on that too much because there's only so much you

977
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 1: can do when these games are two to one, three

978
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: to two, one to nothing, and the margin for error

979
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: grows slim, and there's not enough bats going up and

980
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: down the Cincinnati order to navigate a lot of these

981
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Speaker 1: these close type of games.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I like what they did.

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Speaker 12: With the Bullton bringing back to john That was a

984
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 12: good move and Pierce Johnson, there's just been somebody who's

985
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 12: been productive. Same with Caleb Ferguson and Rock Burke, They've

986
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 12: all been productive. Now, what you're getting at here is

987
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 12: exactly how I feel, too, is okay, great?

988
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 9: Good?

989
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 12: What about the offense? And did you use too much

990
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 12: money building the bullten and not enough pushing for offense?

991
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 12: You know, they added JJ blaeday and I thought that

992
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 12: moves like fine on the surface.

993
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: It's a move they make every year. They add JJ

994
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: Bladay every offseason.

995
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 12: Yeah, and you know, I just am looking at the

996
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 12: lineup and saying, where is the impact? At what point

997
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 12: is a pitcher intimidated by the lineup or scared you

998
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 12: could say, Ellie. And maybe at some point Sal Stewart

999
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 12: will get there. But outside of that, there's really not

1000
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 12: a ton that I would be, you know, putting any

1001
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 12: fear in the eyes of the other team.

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Speaker 1: Noel vi Marte is an interesting one for me because

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01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: it felt like at times last year and when he

1004
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: was here, like it felt like it was closer it was.

1005
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: He's on this trend to become a really good offensive player.

1006
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 4: Do we.

1007
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: Do you see that as a possible trend that continues.

1008
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: Do you see regression or do you see him kind

1009
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: of leveling off as like he's a slight plus offensive

1010
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: player a little bit better than replacement.

1011
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 12: I think that he's athletic enough and has enough tools

1012
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 12: that you can say that there's more there.

1013
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 9: You know.

1014
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 12: It's not somebody like TJ. Friedel, where you think he's

1015
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 12: a good player, but he really doesn't have what it

1016
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 12: takes him physically to get you to the next level

1017
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 12: of player. I think the issue with Marte is so

1018
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 12: far the and I know we don't all love advanced

1019
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 12: metrics and whatnot, but he really is not put on

1020
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 12: a show or anything. He did have a really good

1021
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 12: hot stretch last year and then fizzle down down the

1022
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 12: end of the season, but overall, and I don't know why,

1023
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 12: I typically don't go with my gut feeling that much,

1024
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 12: just because it's too often wrong, but I have a

1025
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 12: good feeling about him this season. I think what he

1026
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 12: showed last year being able to bounce back was huge

1027
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 12: learning a new position with a difficult in season change.

1028
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 12: I really hope that the organization stops doing that just

1029
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 12: in its entirety, but I do think he'll settle into

1030
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 12: right field and at least be a plus bat with

1031
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 12: more room to grow. This is still a young and

1032
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:08,479
Speaker 12: inexperienced player.

1033
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, who other than Marte

1034
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: do you look at and say there's still quite a

1035
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: bit of room for growth here. Is it McLain just

1036
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: because of how bad last year was or are you

1037
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: skeptical with him?

1038
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 12: I think he is a player that is town he

1039
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 12: I mean he has talent. Yeah, he's also going to

1040
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 12: be a year further removed from a shoulder injury, and

1041
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 12: we know shoulder injuries. We saw that with Suarez when

1042
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 12: he had a down year the year after his shoulder surgery.

1043
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 12: I think McLean can be good. I don't think he's

1044
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 12: going to be a high average kind of do everything player,

1045
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 12: kind of like what we saw in his short stint.

1046
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 12: I think he's more of a lower batting average but

1047
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 12: will have some power, good defender. Like I think his

1048
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 12: role is not as vast as or his offering is

1049
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 12: not as vast as we thought he could be when

1050
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 12: he first came up. But I do think he can

1051
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 12: be a useful player. The biggest issue is if he isn't,

1052
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 12: what's playing b at second base? Are you gonna put

1053
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 12: sal Stewart at second base? Is Spencer Steer gonna play

1054
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 12: second base? I just don't love the plane b If

1055
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 12: mclan looks like he does last.

1056
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: Year, I have a very important question given that answer,

1057
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: how in the hell has this team drafted four thousand

1058
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: shortstops And there's no answer behind Matt McLain at second base?

1059
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: Like is it that the easiest? Like shouldn't there be

1060
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of gott middle infielders trying to get on

1061
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: the field at the major league level that they could

1062
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: plug in at second base?

1063
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, and they have a couple that are still young

1064
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 12: that were just added to the forty man The most

1065
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,719
Speaker 12: notables Edwin Arroyo who came over, and that Louis Castillo trade.

1066
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 12: And I've never personally been all that high on Edwin Arroyo.

1067
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 12: He too is coming off of injury and trying to

1068
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 12: work back to full strength and switch hitter, know more

1069
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 12: for his glove, it doesn't have a ton of pop

1070
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 12: or anything, but I think he could at least be

1071
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 12: like a fine backup infielder if they need him this year.

1072
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 5: But we'll see.

1073
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 12: But like you're saying, it's it's pretty bad how it's

1074
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 12: looking right now, and That's why I thought an infielder,

1075
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 12: at least a veteran backup infielder would be added. And

1076
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 12: I'm worried that they're just gonna call up Santiago Espinal

1077
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 12: and say, hey, show up to spring training and be

1078
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 12: ready to you know, get a jersey again.

1079
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: Is he coming back on the same in the sun, Like,

1080
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: are they him in Candelario sharing a cab?

1081
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I sure hope not that that would be.

1082
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 12: That would be awful.

1083
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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I hope that's not the plan. But everybody

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Speaker 1: that is covers this team, it feels like keep saying

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: the Gavin Lux move show something else is coming. Something

1086
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: else is coming. There's a bat that's going to be

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Speaker 1: added before this team makes it to Cincinnati to start

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 4: Do you see that?

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01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: And if so, who what would maybe be the possibilities.

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01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 12: I think there's multiple names, can Gober I'll just choose to.

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 12: I think Luis Uryes as one, you know, former batting champ.

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01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 12: I think he's just kind of the upgrade at Gavin Lux.

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 12: No defensive home, more of a DH. But he is

1095
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 12: the best ball bats ball guy in the league, and

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 12: this team and Tito obviously want that type of player.

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 12: That's why they went out and got Gavin Lux. Well,

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01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 12: this guy's just better than Gavin Lux at what he does,

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Speaker 12: so I think that's a possibility, especially if his market

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 12: doesn't materialize and the Reds can get him cheaper than expected.

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Speaker 12: I think that's a good fit if you want something

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01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 12: with a little more juice. I think and Casts from

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01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 12: the Red Sox is somebody who would be a great

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01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 12: trade target. First Baseman, of course, has dealt with injuries,

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01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 12: but he just does not have a place to play

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 12: in Boston right now. Former top one HUNDERD prospects, and

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01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 12: he's he's a very good hitter with power lefty back,

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01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 12: exactly what this team needs. The roll of the dice

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01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 12: is he's been injured, and when he's been healthy, it's

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01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 12: looked bad due to his injury. So are you willing

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 12: to trade what it takes to get a talented player

1112
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 12: who needs a change of scenery. I don't know if

1113
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 12: they will or rumped, but I do think that that's

1114
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 12: the type of player that they should be targeting.

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01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: Outside of espinall, is there anybody else that was here

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01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: last year? Long, stay, brief, stay, whatever that you could

1117
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: maybe see back in the mix.

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01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 12: You know, Andrew harr is a name that a lot

1119
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 12: of people are brought up just because of how good

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01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 12: he was. I think him being a righty bat who

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01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 12: is a little limited defensively. I don't think he's going

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01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 12: to play third, so it's either first DH or leftfield.

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 12: I still think that's a possibility. I don't think that

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01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 12: he will get a huge contract or anything, but his

1125
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 12: name is starting to pick up with other teams as well,

1126
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 12: so I don't know if the Reds will be there

1127
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 12: or not. And Austin Hayes, of course, is another one

1128
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,719
Speaker 12: who could fit. I just think it's signed for something

1129
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 12: different than Austin Hayes. He's just struggled to stay healthy

1130
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 12: for multiple seasons now and it just kind of feels

1131
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 12: like you need something different than hay so I would say,

1132
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 12: and de Var is the top of the ones that

1133
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 12: could return.

1134
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: One of the things that has perplexed me is that

1135
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 1: in the design of building this offense, this group of

1136
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 1: position players, the talk has been, well, we don't want

1137
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: to waste our time essentially developing a bunch of power guys,

1138
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: because the power guys get expensive quicker, and we're not

1139
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: going to be able to hang on to him. So

1140
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna go contact, We're going to go speed, We're

1141
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: going to go small ball. Except they don't make a

1142
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: lot of contact, and last year they didn't steal any bases.

1143
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: So what actually is the offensive philosophy or is it

1144
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 1: just we're hoping it works. Whatever it is, we've got

1145
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: these guys, we're hoping it works, make it makes sense

1146
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: to play.

1147
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 12: It's a great question that they have not shown us

1148
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 12: the answer to, because last year it was very evident

1149
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 12: that they wanted to go some kind of small balls,

1150
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 12: contact oriented, and they showed that by not playing Will

1151
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 12: Benson hardly at all down the stretch and even taking

1152
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 12: Salz Stewart in a weird direction playing time. And you know,

1153
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 12: players with more power were not getting treated like priority.

1154
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 12: And then there's a quote this past week or so

1155
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 12: about Tito saying that Will Benson could get more reps. Now,

1156
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 12: is that just no one's on the team right now

1157
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 12: that fit that answer, So he has to go with

1158
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 12: the guy on the team, And who cares if that

1159
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 12: guy gets cut in a month, No one is going

1160
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 12: to remember it. But I thought it was intriguing to

1161
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 12: hear the guy that he benched down the stretch and

1162
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 12: did not play, was an answer to one of his

1163
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 12: questions for the twenty twenty sixth season. So to me,

1164
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 12: I don't know. If they were going after Schwarber, then

1165
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 12: they are obviously were not focused on contact oriented small ball,

1166
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 12: so that that's what I'm saying. There's just so much

1167
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 12: contradiction in what they say and what they do, and

1168
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 12: I feel like that's been a theme for a while

1169
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 12: now that it's hard to predict this team in their

1170
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 12: offseason moves. And it's likely because they're cheap and they're

1171
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 12: not willing to trade prospects, so it kind of you know,

1172
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 12: whatever falls in their life is just going to be

1173
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 12: the direction.

1174
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 5: They're going to have to take.

1175
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: Are there any young guys Rodriguez? Are there any young

1176
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: guys that could potentially be a factor as we break

1177
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: camp or get into camp.

1178
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 12: I think Hector Rodriguez is the number one guy to

1179
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 12: keep an eye on. He looked so much better last

1180
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 12: season in the minors. He used to be a free

1181
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 12: swinger like Christian and Cronossian streamed and he reeled it

1182
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 12: in a bit, made huge strides. Twenty one year old luckfielder.

1183
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 12: I would not want to see him in center or right,

1184
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 12: but brings a little bit of everything, and he is

1185
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 12: a He makes a ton of ton of contact, so

1186
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 12: I could see an avenue. Bladet doesn't work out, Benson

1187
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 12: doesn't work out. Tito just really likes the idea of

1188
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 12: this younger kid who can put the ball in play,

1189
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 12: and you know he's caught up pretty quickly.

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01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: All right, man, Well that I think that touched on

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01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: just about everything. Are you excited for Camp? I'm not.

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01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to build excitement because I just don't. I

1193
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: don't think they did enough to address the offense to

1194
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: change eighty three wins to ninety wins.

1195
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 12: Every year. You and I feel the same way at

1196
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 12: this exact point in a couple of weeks, when we

1197
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 12: see that first video of a picture Soft tossed a

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01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,680
Speaker 12: catcher in Tonny, Arizona, we will be so back in

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01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 12: and you know it happens every year, those first videos

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 12: of catch.

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01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: I will tell you, Clay, I did not do it

1202
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: last year. I did not get the the fan duel

1203
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 1: sports app. I did not get the season. I listened

1204
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: on the radio. I caught it when I had a chance,

1205
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: but I didn't think they did enough, and it turns

1206
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: out they didn't, so we'll we'll see. I want to

1207
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 1: be impressed, and so far this offseason I've been okayed.

1208
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, I feel about the same. I think they have

1209
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 12: to do something else that is looking like a low

1210
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 12: chain surprise right now in order to make me feel

1211
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 12: like there are anything above a you know, a graded

1212
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 12: Sea off season.

1213
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 4: How can they find you, Clay, Just Baseball.

1214
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 12: Dot Com, Clay Underscore, snow on x or Twitter or.

1215
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 4: Whatever you call it.

1216
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: All right, appreciate you, brother, we'll talk soon.

1217
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 9: Have a good one.

1218
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, Clase note and Just Baseball

1219
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: one of my favorites to talk Reds. Let's take a break.

1220
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: Our number three coming up since Snati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

1221
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: Here we go our number three, The Moegar Show since

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01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: Snati's ESPN fifteen thirty. I am I'm not Moegar. Chad

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01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: Brendle filling in mo will be back tomorrow. Phone lines

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01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: open all of our number three. We do not have

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01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: any guests for our number three, so the phone lines

1226
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: will be open. If you want to talk about Reds,

1227
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: you want to talk about the Bearcats and the big

1228
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: win over Iowa, state. You want to talk about the

1229
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: Bengals and the off season and important offseason for them

1230
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: to fix this defense, because when I look around the NFL,

1231
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: I see great defense. I see great defense advancing in

1232
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The Bengals got better, albeit against lesser competition

1233
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: as the season wore on, especially down the stretch, but

1234
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 1: for a minute they were tracking to be the worst

1235
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: defense in the history of the NFL. That means they

1236
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: have a very long way to go to enter this conversation,

1237
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: even with Joe Burrow. So any of those things you

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01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about. Phone lines are open. Let's get

1239
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: to it. Let's try Mike for a third time. Are

1240
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: you there.

1241
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 5: I'm very appreciative of the patients of you and mister

1242
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 5: Taron Blant, so thank you.

1243
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: You're welcome, Sir. I wanted to hear from you. Is

1244
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 1: everything Okay, not really, but we're not going to talk

1245
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: about that, Okay, appreciate Let's talk some sports.

1246
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 5: It's seventy three degrees in Dana Point with twenty one

1247
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 5: percent humidity, so I gotta love it in your nose

1248
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 5: a little bit.

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: Well it's twenty it's twenty one here, but it's just

1250
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 1: twenty one degrees.

1251
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 5: Plus the wind.

1252
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like it feels like six.

1253
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 5: Oh nice, that's so good.

1254
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. It's wonderful. The low tonight, the low

1255
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 1: without the windshill tonight. Mike is listed to be seven

1256
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: seven degrees tonight.

1257
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 5: Well, Huntington Beach is calling Chip it is.

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01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 13: It is.

1259
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 5: Play a beach Boy song in your ahead. All right,

1260
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 5: it's good to talk to you, and I hope things

1261
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 5: are well, Taren Bland to hope things are well with

1262
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 5: you as well, sir. Listen. John Sadak is really coming

1263
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 5: up in a bro Listen. He did a great job

1264
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 5: on the radio broadcast last night of the Rams and

1265
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 5: the Bears game. John Sadak is killing it on the radio,

1266
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 5: killing it.

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01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: I did not get to hear that, but I'm glad

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01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: to hear. He is broadening his horizons. I like him

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01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: on baseball. I imagine he is very good on football

1270
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: as well.

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01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 5: I think he's a little bit too much of a homer,

1272
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 5: a little bit because he'll make a ground ball sound

1273
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 5: like it was the seventh out of the World Series.

1274
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 5: But that's okay, that's better than.

1275
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: Being But remember he's also paid by the team, so

1276
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: like that's that's built into the job of being a

1277
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: little bit more than Like when you're a national guy,

1278
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: you don't have to you don't have to cook that

1279
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: in as much.

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01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, unless you're at Marty's stature or right and it's

1281
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 5: gully where you just do whatever.

1282
01:21:58,880 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 4: You want to do.

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01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: It took more pready a long time to get there.

1284
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm afraid to tell you this, brother, but

1285
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 5: Tommy Lloyd is going to spank West Miller and putting

1286
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 5: to bed.

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 1: Okay, they've got a much better team than Cincinnati. Why

1288
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:12,879
Speaker 1: would you hate to tell me that. That's not a surprise.

1289
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 5: No, but I just I was hoping that the Cats

1290
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 5: could maybe, but they.

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01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: Just beat Iowa State, Mike. Can we not enjoy it

1292
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: for a little bit.

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01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying it was an impressive win. It

1294
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 5: was before I'll tell you that Arizona team is scary.

1295
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 5: They are scary.

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01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean they're one through ten, one through ten, they

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01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: are rockside. They got Toby Owaka o Waca waka waka

1298
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 1: coming off the bench putting up double doubles on the

1299
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: regular like that. They are incredible.

1300
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are incredible. And Tucson is such a wonderful town.

1301
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 5: It's it's really a nice place. I always have had

1302
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 5: a good about my heart for for US Tucson. Okay,

1303
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 5: these four games and I got a red to wrap

1304
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 5: it up with the four NFL games of the weekend.

1305
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 4: Yep.

1306
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 5: I didn't realize, but the Pats spent three hundred and

1307
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 5: fifty million dollars in free agency last year, three fifty

1308
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 5: Nobody spent more than the Pats.

1309
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: They had the worst roster in the NFL a year ago.

1310
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 5: Unreal. You see the Bengals doing it.

1311
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 4: They need to.

1312
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 1: They won't, but they need to, Yeah, they do.

1313
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 5: And if Houston had a quarterback, that game could have

1314
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 5: went the other way.

1315
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 1: Mike. My take all along was the Bengals, if they

1316
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: had any intelligence at all, should have done everything in

1317
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 1: their power to get Mike Grabel as their head coach.

1318
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: And they didn't do it.

1319
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 5: You're right, You're right. I really didn't think on it.

1320
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 5: But you're right, Why why not Ohio guy? All that stuff? Yeah,

1321
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 5: I don't get that team. But anyway, I try not

1322
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 5: to talk about the uh San Francisco. They were just

1323
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 5: you know, Coleshunahan's to be Coach of the Year because

1324
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 5: that team was just decimated with injury all year, just

1325
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 5: decimating him.

1326
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 4: Good.

1327
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 5: See I have a really good defense and playing well

1328
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 5: on offense. And I think and Jigma now has taken

1329
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 5: over for this year. Is the premiere receiver in the

1330
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 5: NFL over Jamar Chace for this year.

1331
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could see that guy's on real dude. I

1332
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 4: could see that he is.

1333
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 5: I heard a good interview with him the other day

1334
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 5: and he started out as a slot guy and he

1335
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 5: just said, I'll do whatever you need.

1336
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 12: Me to do.

1337
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 5: But really good, really good young man with his head

1338
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 5: screwed on. Right, Josh Allen gets up there after that

1339
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 5: game with that cry baby crap. I was like, come on,

1340
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 5: NFL quarterbacks, don't get up there and cry. Bro stop it.

1341
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 5: You threw the game away. You can cry and be

1342
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 5: mad at yourself. You cost him the game.

1343
01:24:58,320 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he knows it. I think that's why

1344
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: he was emotional. That was that was the window. No Mahomes,

1345
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: no Jackson, no Burrow, wide open path to the super Bowl,

1346
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: and it falls on him. He couldn't get the job done.

1347
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 5: He jacked it off completely.

1348
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 4: He did.

1349
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 5: Sorry, but that's what happened.

1350
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 6: I UH.

1351
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 5: Last night that rams and Uh in Bear's camp that's

1352
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 5: throwed by Caleb. Listen, it seems like the last three

1353
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 5: or four weeks on the on the ESPN highlights, the

1354
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 5: greatest throws are with Caleb.

1355
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: He makes ridiculous through. I mean, that throw last night

1356
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: is as good a throw as you will ever, ever, ever,

1357
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 1: ever see.

1358
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it went that far.

1359
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: Fifty one falling backwards, fifty one yards falling backwards, four

1360
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: defenders in his face, and he puts it like you

1361
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: could not have thrown a better ball under any circumstance

1362
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 1: than the ball that he threw to tie that game.

1363
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 5: No, Karen, were you blown away by that? If you're listening,

1364
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 5: he might be busy in the Okay, never mind, Yeah,

1365
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 5: that that that truly blew my mind. But so I

1366
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 5: got to get my boys from La a credit. They

1367
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 5: were that cold weather and did what they had to do.

1368
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 5: So well, we'll see, but it's going to be a tough,

1369
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 5: tough road tore to.

1370
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

1371
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 1: I hate to tell you, Mike, I got to be

1372
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: a Seahawks guy.

1373
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 5: You know why, I don't know why. I want you

1374
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 5: got to some allegiance to Samsio.

1375
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 1: I've got allegiance to my guy Kobe Bryant.

1376
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you said that earlier.

1377
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 6: My bad.

1378
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that's my guy, Kobe. Kobe was one

1379
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 1: of the best guys and I've been doing the UCB

1380
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: for nineteen years, one of the easiest, most accessible, best

1381
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: guys to cover in my nineteen years of covering U see,

1382
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: so to see him find a home, to see him

1383
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 1: in that position that he is in on that defense,

1384
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: like I'm really pulling for Kobe to get one.

1385
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're and named after the one of the coolest,

1386
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 5: classiest guys ever, Kobe, the Kobe Bryant. Right, that's pretty cool.

1387
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 5: I'm with you, brother, I'm with you. Okay.

1388
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 9: The Reds.

1389
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 5: I got you know, we keep talking about they can't

1390
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,560
Speaker 5: score runs, but but what I did was hold on,

1391
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 5: just give me ten seconds. Ten seconds? Why I googled

1392
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 5: total I googled total runs scored the rankings of all

1393
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 5: thirty two Uh huh. Guess where the Reds were again?

1394
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 1: I think they were middle of the pack, like nine, eighteen, seventeen, eighteen,

1395
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: something like that, fourteen fourteenth.

1396
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1397
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: The problem, Mike is that they have these these outbursts

1398
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: and then that's all the runs they'll score for the week.

1399
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: They'll they'll have one game with twelve runs and then

1400
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: the rest of the week is one zero, two, one three.

1401
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: And that's ultimately the problem is they have not built

1402
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: a batting order that consistently scares you, like go through

1403
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: here's here's the proof is in the pudding type thing,

1404
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: Like go through all the other top seven eight teams

1405
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: in the National League and go through their one through nine,

1406
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 1: and then go through the Reds one through nine and

1407
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: those other teams, the Brewers, the Dodgers, the the Giants, whatever,

1408
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: the Cubs, and you'll find four, five, six guys where

1409
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 1: you're like, man, like this, this stretch of two or

1410
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 1: three guys, this stretch of two or three guys, four

1411
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: guys is really really tough, night in and night out.

1412
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: And then you pull up the Reds starting nine, and

1413
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: it just doesn't exist. It just doesn't. There's not enough power,

1414
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 1: there's not enough pop uh to really make you night

1415
01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: in and night out worried about this Reds off.

1416
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, win a game in the late innings with a

1417
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 5: long ball. Because I'm looking at the first to top

1418
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 5: three teams in runs scored. There's only three teams that

1419
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,759
Speaker 5: scored over five runs a game. The Yankees were first,

1420
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 5: Toronto was second, Dodgers were third, Arizona four point eight

1421
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 5: eight at fourth, Milwaukee fifth, uh, Chicago six. Right around

1422
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,799
Speaker 5: that's been Boston and then Philly. But what so the problem,

1423
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 5: like you're saying, Chid, the problem is there's not a

1424
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 5: big threat or a clutch one or something right right

1425
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 5: in the late innings.

1426
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: There's nobody that like. Okay, the Reds are coming up

1427
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: in the in the bottom of the eighth and they've

1428
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 1: got three four, five coming up teams. Look at that

1429
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 1: and go, we can get those guys out. We can

1430
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: get those guys out.

1431
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 5: I love you, Chid, You're the best.

1432
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 4: I know.

1433
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 9: You got to go.

1434
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 10: Brother.

1435
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 5: Thank you for taking my call and let me talk

1436
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 5: so long. You're the best. Appreciate my sec you take

1437
01:29:58,880 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 5: care of Karen.

1438
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 1: Great to hear from you, brother, and we'll talk soon.

1439
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, my best of your family.

1440
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Thanks you too, Mike. All right, let's go to Dick

1441
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: and Dayton. Dick, how you doing, brother?

1442
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 14: How are you doing?

1443
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 5: Chad?

1444
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 14: Happy to know year, buddy.

1445
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: If I was any better, I'd be twins.

1446
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 4: Dick.

1447
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, you know these games that of the playoff

1448
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 14: game were kind of good, weren't They they were interesting day.

1449
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 14: They made you meant it on the seat and everything.

1450
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 14: They they were pretty good, weren't they.

1451
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: I was, you know, outside of the Seahawks forty nine

1452
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: ers that was over in about seven minutes. It felt

1453
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 1: like the rest of the games were very entertaining. They

1454
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 1: at least kept you captivated through the three hours.

1455
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 14: Yeah, they did, they really did.

1456
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 9: You know.

1457
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 14: I didn't get a chance, but I was bested two

1458
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 14: Austin today. Did you get to go to the Reds Caravan?

1459
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I did not get to go to Reds Fest. I

1460
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 1: had the uc Iowa State game on Saturday, which kept

1461
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 1: me locked up for a while, and then dad duty,

1462
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: the single dad, teenage daughter combo dick does not allow

1463
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: for a whole lot of outside activities, unfortunately.

1464
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 14: Yeah. Yeah, I just you know, I'm thinking too. You

1465
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 14: were mentioning two about were you surprised they brought Zach

1466
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 14: Taylor back? Do you think it was his fault? They

1467
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 14: didn't win games? But we needed Joe Burrow when he

1468
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 14: came back, and he won a lot of games. But

1469
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 14: I'm hoping this year that do you think I really

1470
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 14: say they need somebody for the defense, don't they? The

1471
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 14: defense was.

1472
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not surprised at all that they brought Zach back.

1473
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: I talked about it earlier. He's under contract for two

1474
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 1: more years. Yeah, Mike Brown does not like to pay

1475
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: people not to work, especially for two years. Maybe for

1476
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: one year, but especially not for two years. And I

1477
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: think the bigger problem was Duke Tobin. I think the

1478
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 1: biggest problem that disfranchise faces right now is that the

1479
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: roster that Duke Tobin built top to bottom is not

1480
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: good enough. And I don't know what Zach is supposed

1481
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,879
Speaker 1: to you know, I don't know how Zach is supposed

1482
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: to overcome a roster that went is puts you at

1483
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 1: a disadvantage in most games.

1484
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 14: Yep, yep, I'm taking you hope that you think the

1485
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 14: Reds will be good this year?

1486
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: Do you think I think they'll be okay. I think

1487
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,560
Speaker 1: they'll be right around that that five hundred line for

1488
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 1: most of the season. I really like their starting pitching.

1489
01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I like what they've done with the bullpen to give

1490
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: themselves some more length, give themselves a couple more guys

1491
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: that you feel like you can rely on late and close.

1492
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: I don't think they did enough on offense, and because

1493
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: they didn't do enough on offense. I don't know how

1494
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: they string together enough wins to get into I mean, ultimately,

1495
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:00,040
Speaker 1: for me, Dick, I think this is a team and

1496
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: that's capable of eighty to eighty four, eighty five wins.

1497
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: I do not see an offense that can get them

1498
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: from that point to ninety wins, and I think the

1499
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: Cubs and the Brewers are gonna be at ninety wins,

1500
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: ninety plus win.

1501
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 14: Speaking of the Reds, well, listen, happy new.

1502
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 12: Year, Happy new Year, Buddy appreciated, Dick, Yeah, I appreciate you.

1503
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 14: Bye bye.

1504
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: That's ultimately the thing, like I think, to be a

1505
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: threat to win this division, you need to be in

1506
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 1: a position to win ninety ninety two to ninety three games,

1507
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,759
Speaker 1: because I think that's what the Brewers and the Cubs

1508
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 1: are capable of. I think that's where they're going to

1509
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: end up. So if this is once again a roster

1510
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:50,839
Speaker 1: that max is out at eighty five wins best case scenario,

1511
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: then you're begging for a wildcard spot as the third

1512
01:33:56,040 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: place team in your division. I don't feel great about that.

1513
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: If you listen to me talk about UC basketball before

1514
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 1: the season, said, I don't feel great because I don't

1515
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: have any faith that this can be a top six

1516
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: team in this league. The top six teams in the

1517
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Big twelve are all Top twenty teams, and if you

1518
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 1: can't be one of the top six teams in the league,

1519
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: then you're perpetually on the bubble. Because you've got seven

1520
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,599
Speaker 1: to eight games with those top six teams, you're probably

1521
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: going to lose most of them, and that puts you

1522
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 1: in a position where at best you're fighting to play

1523
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: yourself into the tournament and off the bubble. I think

1524
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: the Reds are in a very similar position. I don't

1525
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 1: think they can win the division. I don't know that

1526
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: I feel confident saying they can compete at the top

1527
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: of this division for much of the season. We'll get

1528
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: into more of that. Phone lines are open for the

1529
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: rest of this hour. I'm four nine, fifteen thirty. I'm

1530
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 1: Jared Brenda and form Oegar. This is ESPN fifteen thirty,

1531
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports Station.

1532
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 10: Big So the bag like, what's uploading windows out of frames?

1533
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 10: Putty one to pull up big So the bag like,

1534
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 10: what's uploading windows? Other frame? Is punny one? Pull up

1535
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 10: big so.

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01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: Teary and I have a question to pull up when

1537
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 1: when I was on my uh my too short kick

1538
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. This weekend, E forty came up. The

1539
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: girlfriend who is very very uh eclectic music wise, likes

1540
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. She was unfamiliar with E forty. Okay,

1541
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 1: is it like, is he regional enough where I shouldn't

1542
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: be mad about that? Or is it like, uh? Is

1543
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: that like a warning of like you didn't know who

1544
01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: E forty was?

1545
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 3: I don't know now now you gotta be deep into

1546
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 3: the game to know E forty.

1547
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair. I needed an outside judge of that

1548
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,360
Speaker 1: because I'm pretty deep in the game, so I'm very

1549
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:14,719
Speaker 1: familiar with E forty, But I tend to forget sometimes

1550
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 1: that he was more of like an Oakland thing for

1551
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: the longest time, like he was not mainstream per se.

1552
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 3: Correct, Like if she didn't know like Snoop Dogg or

1553
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 3: ice Cube Dan, that's the problem.

1554
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: Too short, she knew too short?

1555
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 3: Wait, hold on, now she knew too short that she

1556
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 3: should have knew E forty.

1557
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's a difference. Too short made

1558
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: it more mainstream than E forty.

1559
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 4: Did I think?

1560
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 3: I think they about neck and Egg?

1561
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 4: Do you?

1562
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,439
Speaker 1: I don't know she knew too short. She didn't know

1563
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: E forty.

1564
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 3: She knew the blow to Whistle song, right of course. Yeah,

1565
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 3: see that's the name. Like, what would you say, forty's

1566
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 3: like biggest song.

1567
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1568
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:56,680
Speaker 1: I was trying to pick something out to play for

1569
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: that I thought she might know, and it was like, no,

1570
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll know this one. And then it

1571
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of hit me. I was like, Wow, maybe E

1572
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 1: forty isn't something that the general music connoisseur will be

1573
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: familiar with.

1574
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 4: I'll let her.

1575
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: I'll give her a pass on this one. Let's go

1576
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: out to the phones. We got Steve. Where are you from,

1577
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 1: Steve Sharonville? Okay, what would you like to talk about?

1578
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 4: Steve?

1579
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 13: Well, first, I want to compliment you guys. You guys

1580
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 13: do a good job on the radio.

1581
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 4: And.

1582
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 13: I'd like to see you on instead of some of

1583
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,599
Speaker 13: the other people they currently have long Well, that's another story.

1584
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,719
Speaker 13: As far as the sinety sports, so, so here's the situation.

1585
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 13: As far as the Reds, you can forget it. The

1586
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 13: Reds and Bengal there are totally different situations.

1587
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:44,920
Speaker 9: Uh.

1588
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 13: The Reds are victims of this uh ridiculous economic system

1589
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 13: in MLB. So uh that being said, I don't think

1590
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 13: Bob Kestell has done a great job as an owner.

1591
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 13: But you know, uh, the Reds are never I'll be

1592
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 13: able to compete with the Yankees and the Dodgers and

1593
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 13: the Pillys and so on and so forth. So and

1594
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 13: less than TILMLB fixes the economic system, the Reds have

1595
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 13: zero chances.

1596
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 4: Do you think that.

1597
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Steve, do you think the Brewers have a chance?

1598
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Not really, No, No, I mean they're a team that

1599
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:24,560
Speaker 1: regularly puts up ninety plus wins. They have sold on

1600
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,560
Speaker 1: guys that were at the top of the sport, and

1601
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: people expect them to take a step back. They still

1602
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 1: find a way to win ninety ninety five games. Now,

1603
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 1: are they able to match up? You know, nobody's going

1604
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: to be able to match up with the Dodgers. But

1605
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: I would counter if a franchise like the Brewers has

1606
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 1: figured out how to do this year in and year out,

1607
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,600
Speaker 1: then it's not out of the realm of possibility. Possibility

1608
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,640
Speaker 1: for the Reds to be a regular eighty seven to

1609
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 1: ninety two win team.

1610
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 13: Well, I don't know. We'll just disagree on that, and

1611
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 13: the Brewers might be, but the small market teams in general.

1612
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 13: You know, you can pick a unicorn, Brewers whatever. They

1613
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 13: don't stand a chance. But anyway, I mainly called to

1614
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 13: talk about the the Bengals, all right, So for any

1615
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 13: fans that want to have any intelligence out there, if

1616
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 13: you don't think ownership and you don't think coaching matters,

1617
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 13: look at the New England Patriots's all you have to

1618
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 13: look at. Okay, And the problem is puts in any fans.

1619
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 13: If you look around the NFL, all the coaches that

1620
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 13: had franchise top quarterbacks that underperformed this year got fired

1621
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 13: except for one. And why didn't the one get fired?

1622
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 13: Because Mike Brown doesn't want to fires coach because these

1623
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 13: coaches family and you host the families, and well, what

1624
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 13: kind of nonsense? People? You know, the fans of this

1625
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 13: city get the teams they deserve because let me pay

1626
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 13: us something. You do want to say that fans don't

1627
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 13: have any power. If all the if the Sea ticket

1628
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 13: holders banded together and said, okay, we're not we're done

1629
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 13: playing games. Mike Brown, either you bring in some competent

1630
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 13: people that run this help run this franchise, or not,

1631
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 13: we're renewing our season tickets. You think things wouldn't change.

1632
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 13: But people people in this city are just too laid back.

1633
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 13: They're not nobody's going to take the bull by the

1634
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 13: horns and do anything. So the fans get what they

1635
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 13: deserve as far as I'm concerned.

1636
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: But they did do that. They did do that at

1637
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 1: the end of the Marvel Lewis era, and the front

1638
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: office listened because people stopped showing up. There was thirty

1639
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 1: five forty thousand people in the seats instead of seventy thousand,

1640
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: and the front office made a change. So you make

1641
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:43,599
Speaker 1: a good point there.

1642
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 13: Well, that's just that's the way I feel about I

1643
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,400
Speaker 13: just feel that, you know, the fans when I hear

1644
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:54,080
Speaker 13: people say I'm gonna support the Bengals no matter what. No, no,

1645
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 13: you're gonna support the Bengal. You're gonna afforce the Bengals.

1646
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:02,640
Speaker 13: So do put a competent front office that puts a

1647
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 13: good product on the field, not going to just support

1648
01:41:05,160 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 13: them no matter what.

1649
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,560
Speaker 1: Well, Duke Tobin said something last to Whenever that was

1650
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, that that epitomized where the Bengals are at,

1651
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 1: and he said he's not he doesn't think that his

1652
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: scouting department. I don't know if you know these specific

1653
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 1: numbers or not here Steve, but I'm going to give

1654
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: them to you. The average scouting department in the NFL

1655
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 1: is twenty four to twenty six people. The Bengals have

1656
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 1: eight nine people in their scouting department, So.

1657
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 4: They are working numbers.

1658
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 13: But yes, I know that they're a way on your

1659
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 13: staff there.

1660
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: They are working at a fifteen person different disadvantage in

1661
01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 1: their scouting department. Let's say ten of those scouts are

1662
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:53,600
Speaker 1: college scouts. Right, the Bengals say, Duke Tobin says, we

1663
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,880
Speaker 1: have all the information necessary. We don't need anybody else.

1664
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 1: So you're taking these ten scouts that you don't have,

1665
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:05,280
Speaker 1: and you're sending him on the road for one hundred

1666
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 1: and fifty days. Right, So ten scouts one hundred and

1667
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 1: fifty days. Think of all the schools that those ten

1668
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 1: scouts would go to. I don't think what people understand, Steve,

1669
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:18,280
Speaker 1: is that when these scouts go to a school and

1670
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 1: they watch a practice. You know what they do after

1671
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 1: the practice, Steve? No, I don't they sit with the

1672
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning coach. They sit of all the play

1673
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: all the draftable prospects on that team. So like if

1674
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 1: they came to Cincinnati to watch the Cincinnati Bearcuts practice.

1675
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 1: They would sit with Nico Palizeti, who's the strength and

1676
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 1: conditioning coach, and then of all the guys Joe Royer

1677
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: and Dante Corleone and Brendan Soresby and Jake Golday and

1678
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Jeff called Well, they would individually sit with every position

1679
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: coach okay, and then they would sit with the training

1680
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: staff and hear about how this guy is when he's

1681
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: recovering from injury. Right, So ten coaches, one hundred and

1682
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 1: fifty days. Think of all those conversations that the Bengals miss,

1683
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: and you wonder why on draft Day everybody looks at

1684
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals pick and goes did they not know? Did

1685
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 1: they not do the work? Did they not know that

1686
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart was going to have an idiot for an agent?

1687
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 1: Because they don't. They believe that what they're doing can

1688
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: be done with eight people, and everybody in the NFL

1689
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,520
Speaker 1: does it a different way because they want all the information,

1690
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:36,919
Speaker 1: and the Bengals are not interested in all the information.

1691
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:38,719
Speaker 1: If they tell you they are, they're lying.

1692
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 13: Well, I know, but here's the scent. I mean, ultimately

1693
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 13: arrest with Duke at least Duke Taban and Mike Brown,

1694
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 13: they're making the decisions. Yeah, so let me ask you

1695
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 13: a question. In sports, and step such thing as a

1696
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 13: good player.

1697
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 4: But what do you mean there's lots of good places?

1698
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 13: Is there such Is there such thing as a good

1699
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 13: or a great player? Is there such thing as a

1700
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 13: mediocre player? Is there such thing as a bad player?

1701
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 4: All right?

1702
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 13: Why can't the same be said for the front office

1703
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 13: specifically Duke Coben.

1704
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's bad at his job for sure.

1705
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 4: That you're making my point because his dad.

1706
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 1: Was best friends with Paul Brown or Mike Brown.

1707
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 4: That's why he's still there, exactly.

1708
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 6: That's my point.

1709
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 5: That's my point is that.

1710
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,719
Speaker 13: Mike Brown, the way he runs this franchise, it's a joke.

1711
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,479
Speaker 13: And and the fans of this town accept it. They

1712
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:45,600
Speaker 13: don't demand they don't demand better. And that's why the

1713
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:48,879
Speaker 13: same thing year after year after year, because the Bengals

1714
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 13: fans accept this mediocrity and accept Mike Brown's incompetence. And

1715
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 13: that's that's what you know, the fans could stop this.

1716
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know that. I honestly, I don't know

1717
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 1: that they could steve it might get a head coaching change.

1718
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,840
Speaker 1: But people not showing up are not going to cause

1719
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,719
Speaker 1: the Brown family to change the way that they structure

1720
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: internally the football because they believe that they know I

1721
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: got to run, Steve. I appreciate the call.

1722
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,560
Speaker 13: Thanks many, good job, thank you.

1723
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: I don't know that they believe that. I think you

1724
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 1: can get them to change the head coach. I don't

1725
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: think fans not showing up is going to get them

1726
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 1: to fire Duke Tobin is going to get them to

1727
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:33,639
Speaker 1: restructure the scouting department. I don't think that's how it works.

1728
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 1: Let's take a break more after this. Since An E's

1729
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 1: ESPN thirteen thirty, please attention, please just stip feels like

1730
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: the whole entire quaw to lapse. Yeah yeah, yeah, put

1731
01:45:55,400 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 1: your hands up. Mo Yeah, special gas on my own show,

1732
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: on your own show. I love when that's this happens.

1733
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 1: It is I get to be the host of you

1734
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,559
Speaker 1: on your own show. It's it's interesting because some people

1735
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 1: say that this should be the format me and you together,

1736
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 1: and then you know, now, nobody's ever said that less

1737
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 1: work for me? Right, Yeah, I'm here. I I welcome Moager,

1738
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: most of them the Moagger show, this show, I said

1739
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,759
Speaker 1: in response to Saturday, I was. I was really happy

1740
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: for the team. I was thrilled, really happy for Wes.

1741
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I was thrilled for me, but more importantly for the fans. Yes,

1742
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: I was outside crushing a heater before the post could

1743
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 1: before the postgame press conference, and that buzz outside the

1744
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: building after a big win is something that hasn't happened

1745
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 1: enough in the last five years.

1746
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:53,719
Speaker 7: You know, I'm used to my phone going nuts towards

1747
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 7: the end of games for the wrong reasons. So it

1748
01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:00,559
Speaker 7: was I was thrilled for everybody you mentioned. I think

1749
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 7: it is significant and admirable that with all the noise,

1750
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 7: these dudes have looked focused. Yeah, they don't execute the

1751
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 7: way we would like all the time, but I think

1752
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:14,479
Speaker 7: even counting the UCF game where they played well enough

1753
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 7: to win but didn't make plays down the stretch, then

1754
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,760
Speaker 7: the last two I don't think you could accuse this

1755
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,240
Speaker 7: team of having a lack of focus. You couldn't accuse

1756
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:25,720
Speaker 7: them of lack of effort. And especially in this day

1757
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 7: and age, that's been my concern with like all the

1758
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 7: stuff going on, Like, at what point is the negative

1759
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 7: energy and the negative energy is largely justified, when does

1760
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 7: it seep.

1761
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 1: Into the team. Yeah, that hasn't. May still happen. It

1762
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. You know they're in Bartrovic since Gisel

1763
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: James returned. You know what their rank is, their team

1764
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 1: rank No. Twenty seven. Wow, So bringing him back was

1765
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 1: the right thing. It was Oh, okay, it was okay.

1766
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:54,960
Speaker 1: I was told it wasn't. You and I were both

1767
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 1: told that it wasn't. I was told it wasn't. I. Look,

1768
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 1: it was an act of desperation. Sure, yes, but guess why. Yes,

1769
01:48:02,640 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 1: sometimes desperation like produces results. It was an active desperation.

1770
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:09,800
Speaker 7: But it's like if I would have if I would

1771
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:14,679
Speaker 7: have said, any fan of any team, hey, uh, second semester,

1772
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 7: we're gonna add a guy who led a Big twelve

1773
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 7: team in scoring last year?

1774
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Do you want him?

1775
01:48:19,439 --> 01:48:21,600
Speaker 7: Who would have said no? And as much as we

1776
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 7: romanticize over all these guys who are part of the

1777
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:27,840
Speaker 7: program last year, Gigsel James led the team in scoring

1778
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 7: last season. That's not the only metric he used to

1779
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 7: turn how good a guy is, But like, just at

1780
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 7: face value, and if.

1781
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 1: That guy was Pop Isaac's I probably would have said no.

1782
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 1: Everybody else I probably would have said.

1783
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 7: Yes, here's a guy who I think it was thirteen

1784
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 7: and a half points a game last year, average thirteen

1785
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:44,120
Speaker 7: and a half for a team in the Big Twelve

1786
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 7: last year, has two years of high major experience. Would

1787
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,760
Speaker 7: you like him on your team? I think everybody would

1788
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 7: have said yes, And I'm glad it's worked out for Jigsel.

1789
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 7: I'm glad they won the game. I have focused solely

1790
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 7: on Saturday because.

1791
01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about Wednesday.

1792
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1793
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean that Arizona team is absurd. They're nine ten

1794
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: deep with like real players. A lot of teams like

1795
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 1: to say they're nine or ten deep. They're not.

1796
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:10,600
Speaker 5: Not.

1797
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 1: Anthony del Orso, who's he would be a starter for

1798
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is like their eighth guy.

1799
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:16,400
Speaker 4: I am.

1800
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 7: The most impressed I've been by a college basketball team

1801
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 7: this year was Arizona against Alabama.

1802
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, which was a game played in Birmingham.

1803
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1804
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 7: And you know you're watching it through the lens of

1805
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,240
Speaker 7: a UC fan and you're like, when's that game again?

1806
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 7: You're gonna play him twice or once?

1807
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: Just once? Well, I will say the most impressed I

1808
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 1: was by a team all year was Iowa State at Purdue. Yes,

1809
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 1: and that It was not the Iowa State team, not

1810
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: even close that Cincinnati played. I pointed this out on

1811
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:49,640
Speaker 1: your show. Sometimes Otts's teams go in little lolls and

1812
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: that maybe that game that lost the first one was

1813
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 1: the sign of a lull, And it turns out it was.

1814
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 7: TJ Osselberger looks like a guy who really enjoys a

1815
01:49:58,760 --> 01:49:59,599
Speaker 7: good protein shake.

1816
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh man, does he have anything butt protein check? He

1817
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 1: looks like a guy.

1818
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 5: No.

1819
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 7: I've never been to a GNC, which won't surprise anybody,

1820
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:11,760
Speaker 7: but if I did go into a GNC, he looks

1821
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,880
Speaker 7: like the guy that would greet me when I walked in.

1822
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious. You have a great seat. Do you remember

1823
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 1: anybody that works officials like I mean he was. He

1824
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 1: was sending guys to the scorers table to check in, Yeah,

1825
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:28,439
Speaker 1: so he could talk to the officials and then pulling

1826
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 1: the guy back and not letting the like. Everything he

1827
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 1: did was centered around And this is coming off last

1828
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: year where he took two minutes at halftime to stop

1829
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 1: an official that you're not supposed to do.

1830
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:43,080
Speaker 7: So what I saw on Saturday something I've never seen,

1831
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:46,040
Speaker 7: which is the officials come over to tell everybody but

1832
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 7: the coach to sit down.

1833
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and an assistant coach refused.

1834
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like the dude comes over, the one of the

1835
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,799
Speaker 7: officials comes over, but they get three warnings.

1836
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:56,559
Speaker 1: Three bench warnings. You're supposed to get one.

1837
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 7: Right, waives everybody to sit down, and the one assistant

1838
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 7: coach basically tells him to f off and just keeps

1839
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 7: like talking to the player that he was talking to.

1840
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,640
Speaker 7: The the best I ever saw at working the officials

1841
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 7: or Calhoun, Yeah, I mean it was. And I watched him.

1842
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 7: I watched him once tell Mick Cronin to sit down,

1843
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 7: Like I watched he sit down. I watched him do

1844
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 7: this once where Jim Calhoun, the former Hall of Fame

1845
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:31,920
Speaker 7: coach at Yukon make is up. Calhoun's up and Jim

1846
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,960
Speaker 7: Calhoun looks over at Mick Cronin and says, he did

1847
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 7: just say sit down, tells him to sit down, and

1848
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 7: like Mick just looked at him and it was like,

1849
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 7: did he just say that to me? Like told him

1850
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 7: to sit down. He was the most annoying that I saw.

1851
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,759
Speaker 7: Beheim was Beheim just whine.

1852
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1853
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 7: Now some are gonna say Hurley, I love Danny, but god,

1854
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 7: I love Dan. Hurley's a friend of the show, and

1855
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 7: I won't say anything that can have better.

1856
01:51:58,120 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 1: I love that man, you got you know it? I

1857
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 1: love that man. NFL Divisional Round weekend. Any overarching Bengals

1858
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: related takeaway, mine was defense has played at a very

1859
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:16,680
Speaker 1: high level at this stage, and the Bengals are a

1860
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 1: long way from any of the four winning teams on

1861
01:52:20,720 --> 01:52:21,599
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday.

1862
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1863
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:26,600
Speaker 7: For me, the overarching takeaway is when you score in

1864
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 7: the closing seconds and you are two yards away from

1865
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:33,600
Speaker 7: the winning points and the other team's defense is shell shocked.

1866
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: Take them for two. Yeah, go for two.

1867
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 7: I have on my Twitter bio some things that I

1868
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 7: just believe in, Like, you know, I don't believe in

1869
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:43,640
Speaker 7: taking your best player out, or any player out just

1870
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 7: because he has two fouls in the first half. I

1871
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 7: don't believe in sacrifice bunts, and I believe in the

1872
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 7: closing seconds, when you're down a point, you should go

1873
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 7: for two. Ben Johnson should have gone for two, and

1874
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,600
Speaker 7: then he doubled up on it by not taking the

1875
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 7: ball first.

1876
01:52:57,200 --> 01:53:01,439
Speaker 1: A guy that's insanely aggressive. Yeah, put the aggressive away.

1877
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: And I'm like rooting like hell for Chicago.

1878
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,040
Speaker 7: Good friend of mine's a Bears fan, losing her mind,

1879
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,639
Speaker 7: and I texted her, and you know, at the risk

1880
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 7: of being annoying, I'm like, go for to go for

1881
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 7: to go for two. Defenses on its heels, even if

1882
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,880
Speaker 7: they call time out, go for two, you're two yards

1883
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 7: away from the winning points.

1884
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 1: Go for two. Coaches don't do it. Frustrates me, frustrates

1885
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals. There was enough time the Bengals would have

1886
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,639
Speaker 1: given up. Sure a score.

1887
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,080
Speaker 7: Zach Taylor did that in the same scenario last year

1888
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 7: and twenty four in Thursday night against Baltimore when it

1889
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 7: was the right call.

1890
01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there were like.

1891
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 7: Four penalties on that play that didn't get called. I

1892
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 7: don't know that I had like a takeaway from a

1893
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 7: Bengals perspective, per se, but the one that you had,

1894
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 7: I think is the correct one. That these are championship

1895
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 7: caliber defenses.

1896
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 4: Also, like.

1897
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 7: Quarterback play in this league, like quarterback play deep in

1898
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:53,600
Speaker 7: the playoffs in this league is still very suspect, and

1899
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,400
Speaker 7: it's frustrating that teams with dudes who are the best

1900
01:53:56,840 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 7: didn't even come close.

1901
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like our team because the money's allocated wrong.

1902
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 7: No, just because they can't build a roster the right way,

1903
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 7: can't figure out a way to protect him and keep

1904
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 7: them mouthy. Yeah, because the defense was historically bad for

1905
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 7: much of the season. I'm watching CJ. Stroud just try

1906
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 7: to give a second consecutive playoff game away.

1907
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 1: God, you got tonight Miami and Indiana. I meant to

1908
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:20,720
Speaker 1: talk about it more. I didn't get to.

1909
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it feels like Indiana is gonna wins. From

1910
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:28,880
Speaker 7: a wagering perspective, there's too much value in Miami plus

1911
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 7: two to eighty for a team that physical.

1912
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 1: So I took the Hurricanes. My question is how many

1913
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 1: times is Carson Back going to make an error that

1914
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 1: is super costly?

1915
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think the thing is an already not explosive offense.

1916
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 7: I feel like that plays right into Indiana's hands. Yeah,

1917
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 7: but I don't know eight and a half point dog

1918
01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 7: on the money line on a national championship game playing

1919
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 7: it it's playing at home, Yeah, what it's worth. Yeah,

1920
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:57,360
Speaker 7: I think the value on that's insane.

1921
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:01,120
Speaker 1: Although if you add, if you ever you're listening, the

1922
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 1: crowd outside of the stadium, oh yeah, is very Indian like.

1923
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 1: They've this is it for them, They've taken over.

1924
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 7: This is awesome, man, Like, I I love this story

1925
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,919
Speaker 7: and as a UC fan, Like it's not apples to apples,

1926
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 7: but it's fun being the outsider who crashes the party.

1927
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 1: If they do it, is this the biggest sports story ever? Indiana,

1928
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:27,160
Speaker 1: the worst college football team in the history of college

1929
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:30,720
Speaker 1: football wins the title year two of their head coach, it.

1930
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 7: Might be, and like doing it as the one seed, right,

1931
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,440
Speaker 7: not like while we snuck like we we are a one.

1932
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 7: We're gonna play Alabama and v Rose Bowl. Throttle them,

1933
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:45,040
Speaker 7: play Oregon, right, not a blue blood but a mainstay.

1934
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 1: Throttle them like it is.

1935
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 7: It gets like this, it gets colored like they're this

1936
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 7: like plucky thirteen seed the tournament, the best team.

1937
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 1: It won the Big Ten, beat Ohio State in.

1938
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:01,440
Speaker 7: The Big Ten title game, and so I am rooting

1939
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 7: for them emotionally. Financially though Miami on the money line

1940
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 7: would be great, So.

1941
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: I can't lose. I've got Keegan iu Alum, Brett Young

1942
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 1: Brent Young Iu Alum. Brent's going to the game. Very

1943
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 1: good friend of mine is married, two friends of mine.

1944
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: She is a Miami alum.

1945
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:26,760
Speaker 7: He is a diehard Tennessee fan, and he's like, she

1946
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 7: didn't care about college football and now she's all she's

1947
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,800
Speaker 7: always been about IU basketball, and now she's all into

1948
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 7: the Hoosiers.

1949
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:33,040
Speaker 2: It's cool.

1950
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: It's fun.

1951
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 7: I gets fun when a lums and fans of a

1952
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 7: school or of a program that has not been on

1953
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 7: anybody's radar have a chance of something like this.

1954
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: What's the line for UC Arizona Wednesday night fifteen? I

1955
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:50,560
Speaker 1: was gonna say twelve and a half the Ken Palm, Yeah, seventeen. Okay,

1956
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:54,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be higher. I don't love it. No, it's

1957
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:55,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be a fun night. I don't think can.

1958
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 7: Maybe the Arizona State though, Yes, okay, yes they stink

1959
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 7: split split narra's Yeah, that's.

1960
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 1: Gonna do it. Thanks mo, Thank you so Moegar Show.

1961
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:06,040
Speaker 1: Moager will be the host tomorrow boy since i ZSPM

1962
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 1: fifteen thirty night, Thanks my god. And I'm listening to

1963
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 1: the radio.