WEBVTT - 11-17-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.480 Hello, Howdie, what was on? Welcome to the Nightcap on 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:12.040 seven hundred w l GJ Doves sitting down for another 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.480 three hour tour. It's the interview show that you will 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.400 not want to miss, and I hope you don't miss 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.120 a minute of it because it's going to be stellar tonight. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:27.720 Just great guests and you first and foremost, a very 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:33.159 depressing football weekend for me, not only your Bengals losing, 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:39.680 but my Chiefs, my Lions. I'm just glad that Vanderbilt 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.040 had a bye week in college football, or Hilseid could 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:49.000 have been four for four of misery. But there's always 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:54.120 next week. Right Week eleven is done and maybe so 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:58.160 is Jamar Chase for next week's game against the Patriots. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:03.720 Not good news, and sorry Bengals fans, but get that 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:07.679 out of the way. It's just football. What about what's 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:12.679 going on every day in our country with Democrat socialism 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.720 not as popular as you may think, even with the 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.640 election of Zorammandani in New York and that weird chick 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.800 in Seattle. But I mean that fits Seattle, doesn't it. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.959 We'll discuss this and more the Epstein Files, the one 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.279 eighty that President Trump has wheeled around just this past 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.520 week and with the realization yet there are enough votes 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.840 in the House of Representatives to release all these Epstein files, 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:47.600 and now the President says, yes, please do it. I've 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.520 got nothing to hide, which I thought all along. Among 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.040 those are the topics we'll be discussing tonight again, a 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.920 stellar panel, not the least of which the wild Man 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.800 and I can't wait to hear his level of frustration 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:08.200 and gou with another bad Bengals loss yesterday in Pittsburgh 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:12.400 to the Steelers. But on the bright side, Peter Bronson 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.040 will be our first guest here in just a few minutes. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.000 He's got a brand new book out, and Peter's books 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:23.120 always do well. It's always a great thing for local 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:28.280 history buffs. When Peter delivers his latest tome, and this 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.360 one is a little bit different, we'll discuss why. And 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.720 then I like to get Peter's opinions, pick his brain, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.560 so to speak, on matters that we report on all 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.200 the time at current events and news and stuff. So 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.880 Peter sits in with me for the balance of this hour. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.840 Also doctor Jim Waite. He was a former Northern Kentucky 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:55.080 dentist who married a woman from Ukraine. And I remember 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.400 talking to doctor Wade on this program actually several years 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:03.720 ago before or the Russian incursion, the latest Russian incursion 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.480 into that country, and him being in Ukraine, and you 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:12.160 talked about the corruption in the elections in Ukraine and 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:17.359 obviously dealing with much different circumstances these days. He has 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.520 been recently. He is going back this week to war 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:26.760 torn Ukraine and we'll get some eyewitness accounts of what 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.760 he has seen and what is going on inside that 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:36.360 country with the Putin's hordes at their door. We also 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:41.280 have Walter Herbst, who is another JFK expert on the 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:45.960 assassination now some sixty three years ago. Pete Schen from 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.440 the Epstein Justice Project. Peter Shen will be joining us 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.280 as well. I hope you stick around for all of it. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.400 It's the Nightcap, and we will begin with our first guest, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.240 the one and only Peter Burnson, in just minutes here 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:17.880 on seven hundred w l W. Step right this way 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.400 for Peter Bronson. And no, it's it's not a reducts 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.520 of Breakfast with the Beatles from two thousand and eight 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.640 ear anything on the Fox, but the Fab four appropriate 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.039 relating to the title of Peter's latest book, Peter Bronson 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.240 in Studio. How you doing, man? Very good? And you 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.360 glad to be here? Great to have you always? This 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.040 is like content gold for a nightcab great great, Well, 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.680 I love it too. Magical History Tour is the name 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:52.159 of the book, Murder, Mystery and Buried History. I should 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.560 have brought this out on Halloween. Yeah, well maybe I 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.080 love I love the the cover with the covered wagon 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.560 and the cattle and the backdrop on the front of 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:08.560 the book. And there is a bonus inside this book, 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.120 ten places to discover Cincinnati History. And that has been 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.200 your forte and that has been what you've focused on. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.279 Oh man, I love it. And I tell you what. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.159 Every time I have you on and you've got a 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:29.000 new book out, there are people who absolutely respond. They 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.520 hear it, and not because anything that I do or 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.760 this show does, or this show reaches, but because it's 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.080 so compelling when they hear what the book is about 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:43.280 that they have to dive in, especially if they're they 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:48.120 consider themselves either a fishinados of Cincinnati local history or 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.440 if they or they don't know much about it, and 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.000 it instantly opens the door for them that you know, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.359 they might not have knocked on if they had not 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.240 heard about that. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.400 And I love finding stories that people don't know about, 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.600 great stories of local history. This place, Cincinnati is so 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.680 rich in history anyway, but things like who burned the 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:12.520 Supper Club. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:13.599 In nineteen seventy seven? 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.960 Or did you know Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates in 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:22.320 eighteen sixty two and barely survived. The South nearly took 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:25.119 a northern city and that would have been the only 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.520 one and they didn't quite do it, and that story 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.560 is great. Or did you know the story of who 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:37.760 was Matt Anthony Wayne? How did he save the entire Midwest? 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.719 Now, Peter's just referred to three of his other books 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.440 that we've talked about, Yeah, that you may have in 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:48.920 your possession. So this one, you did it kind of 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.799 a different approach. You wrote short stories for five different 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:00.400 items of Cincinnati history to take the Where did that 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.880 concept come from? Did you just think, Okay, I'm going 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.320 to do this differently this time, or you know, I've 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.080 got to come up with a new angle. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.240 It was really having so many threads to follow and 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.920 so many good stories to tell, I couldn't I want 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.280 any one of these might have turned into a book, 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.720 but it was more fun doing a lot of them, 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.640 doing five and then turning them into short stories. And 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.560 short stories are pretty cool because you can get into 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.000 the topic and really treat it nicely and then move 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.000 on to the next one. And I think a lot 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:37.400 of people are enjoy short stories because in our maybe 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.080 our ADHD world today, people are less inclined to sit 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.040 down with a really big book. So I'm going to 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:44.440 try it out and see how it works. But I 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.800 really like the idea of collections of short stories. 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.560 Well, you know, I even enjoyed when I found a 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:53.400 copy of your for Pete's Sake, the collection of columns 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.600 that you did in the Inquirer. Well, thank you. I 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.520 you know, I thought that that was and for my 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.920 attention span it was perfect. Yeah, one page. But as 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:08.800 you're saying, though, people have a lot better chance at 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:14.160 holding on to each story. And then this this bonus 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.120 tour in here in the magical History Tour ten places 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:24.160 to discover Cincinnati history, and uh, let me just uh so, yeah, idea, 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.000 there are some that are pretty well known. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.239 Yeah, but they're not We're not talking about the Museum Center, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.160 which is fantastic, or the Taft Museum or the or 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.480 the Art Museum or things like that, which are all fantastic. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.000 That goes without saying you've got the smaller museums. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.520 Yeah, I'm looking at places that people don't know about 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.120 that that that are right there in your neighborhood. Things 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.360 you can discover that will really help you understand our history. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.760 I'll tell you what one of the It wasn't in Cincinnati. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.640 It was on a trip that I and christ Christ 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:58.880 and me took to northern Ohio and we passed through 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.480 the town of Fremont, oh Yeah, which was the home 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:06.640 of Rutherford B. Hayes about that and the Rutherford B. 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:13.960 Hayes Home that he built. Just walking through that was 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.320 such a great trip back in time and just I mean, 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.640 it's a little little place outstanding. There's so many things 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.680 that you can find and find out about in these 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:27.800 kind of out of the way. Now this is a 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:33.600 presidential historical site there, but and there's a museum along 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.120 with it. We didn't even go to the museum. We 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.360 just went through the home and it was worth Oh yeah, 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:37.880 I love those. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.360 Those historical society homes are often like that too, where 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.600 they have furnished it like a time capsule. Oh yeah. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.920 So you walk in and you're seeing how people lived. 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.280 You're seeing the furniture there. You're back in the eighteen 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.520 eighties and you see these little chairs and you go, wow, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:56.640 they were small people, and they were. But so another one, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.920 as long as you're on the topic of presidents, is 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.520 William Henry Harrison. To him over on Mountain Nebo near 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.600 North Bend, and it's up on a hilltop. It's a 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:10.640 spectacular tomb. William Henry Harrison was quite a fantastic story. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.280 I mean, the guy was. He fought with Matt Anthony 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.160 Wayne at Fallen Timbers. He was there for the Treaty 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:21.280 of Greenville that settled the Indian Confederation for good. And 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.240 then he eventually became president. And he was the shortest 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:28.280 president in office because he fell ill with probably pneumonia, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:33.320 and died almost immediately after taking office after he was inaugurated. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.959 But he lived this rich and exciting life. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.679 And then while I'm looking at that, I find out 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.080 right across the road is this little cemetery. It's called 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:46.960 Congress Green Cemetery. And this has a really interesting story. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:53.560 So William Henry Harrison's son, John Scott Harrison as an 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.800 elderly man, a grandfather. He died suddenly in his sleep, 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.480 and the very night he was buried by his family, 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.920 grave robbers came and took his body wow, and they 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.360 hired the family hired the Pinkerton detectives from Chicago to 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.760 find out where this body was. And it was a 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.880 fascinating sort of mystery and detective story of how they 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.120 tracked it down and where they found it and why 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.000 they found it and what was going on. Apparently Cincinnati 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:27.920 in those days was like the hub of body snatching 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:34.120 for the whole Midwest. They were shipping bodies all over Columbus. Well, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.760 they gave him, they were shipping him to medical schools 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.120 who would pay for these fresh bodies so they could 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.559 teach students to dissect them so they could learn anatomy. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:49.079 And they had absolutely no ethics around it. They would 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:53.240 just take anybody. They mainly preyed on the cemeteries that 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.360 were devoted to paupers and to the black population, in 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.880 other words, people they thought no one would care about. Exactly. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.840 Only this time they made a mistake. Was the president's 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:10.720 son and the father see William Henry Harrison was also 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.480 the grandfather of another future president, Benjamin Harrison, So two 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.680 of them in the same family. So this was not 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.760 only the president's son. He was the father of the 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:24.400 future president. And they found him downtown in Cincinnati. There 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.520 were reports in the newspaper that some strange goings on 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:33.200 in the early morning hours that night where some package 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.920 that looked a lot like a body was dropped off 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.440 at the Ohio Medical College, which was right downtown near 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:41.760 the Convention. 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:42.680 Center where it is today. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.959 No kid, yeah, it would have been right near the 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:52.480 Cincinnatian Hotel. And so they've got the Pinkertons and one 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:57.640 of Harrison's sons whose father's body is now missing. And 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.959 the irony of this is they went to another funeral 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.360 the day after they buried their father, and they went 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.560 to just pay respects at his grave and they saw 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.120 it had been plundered, it was torn. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.959 And can you imagine how that No, I can't even fathom. 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.200 I mean, you're grieving already, sure, and it's like it's 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:20.080 like he just died again. Yeah, yeah, uh. You know, 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.200 Cincinnati may have been the hub in the Midwest, but 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.800 it happened famously with Abraham Lincoln's tomb in Springfield, Illinois, 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:34.720 where his body was was snatched. Unbelievable. Wow. And I 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.520 don't know if they were looking for a medical college 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:42.200 cadaver in that particular case. I think the the sediment 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.920 was so strong about Lincoln at the time and what 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:49.520 he had presided over. You know, I'm not sure if 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:54.439 they were Southern Confederate sympathizers or if they revered him, and. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.800 They had the same problem with his assassins the people 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.360 at involved in the conspiracy. So when they had them 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:08.840 all hanged, they concealed from the public for many years 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.839 what happened to those bodies, and so people couldn't go 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:15.400 and dig them up and find out what. 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:15.920 So. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:17.920 You know, the other thing that I ran across while 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.280 I was doing this is I've always wondered about when 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.040 you go to a cemetery and see those mausoleums that 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:26.760 looked like little banks and with bars on the windows. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.640 And that's why they were building mausoleums, is because there 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.000 was so much body snatching going on, really, so to 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:38.160 protect your loved one and so to just complete the circle. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:44.080 The body of James Scott Harrison was finally recovered hanging 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.000 on a rope in a dark shaft at the Ohio 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.720 Medical College where you can just imagine the smells and 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:57.920 the sites they went through to find this. Yeah. Yeah, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.440 we're on the nightcap and we don't want to give 0:14:59.440 --> 0:14:59.960 people nights. 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:00.640 No. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.680 Well, but so they find the body and they eventually 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.240 reburied it and you can now find it in the 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:12.120 tomb with William Henry Harrison at the monument where it 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.080 is behind bars. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.520 Well, you know, they say that the Barack Obama Presidential 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.560 Library looks a lot like a mausoleum. I wonder how 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.920 many bodies are buried there. Yeah, well that's a good one. Well, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.600 we'll have to figure it out once they finally spend 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:31.600 a lot of money and and get it built. So 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:36.600 when you do your research for these books, Yeah, where 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:41.480 does it initially begin? I mean, after your after your vision, 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.120 after your imagination for what you want the book to be, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.880 and what you're going to go after How how do 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:50.120 you find this stuff? 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.200 Well, a lot of times people who are readers will 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.400 send me emails, or they'll call me up or send 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.440 me a letter they maybe enjoy. I had one of 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:02.440 my other books and said, but, by the way, did 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.040 you know such and such happened in my neighborhood, or 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.520 I've also been out speaking to a lot of historical 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:14.120 societies and various groups. So I do book signings maybe 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.000 once a week through the winter, two times a week. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:16.400 Whatever. 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:21.200 Whoever you know needs a speaker and they want to 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.280 buy some books, and I'll go out and sign them 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:25.360 for them. And so a lot of times people in 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.120 the audience will raise a hand and say, hey, by 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.800 the way, I want to tell you about this story 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.400 that you'd love, and I just I pick up a 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:32.240 lot of them that way. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.160 Talking to Peter Bronson on the Nightcap brand new book, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:41.280 Magical History Tour is out. Now, how do you discern 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.840 between when you're doing the research on these these history books, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.120 how do you discern between what is an old wives 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:55.560 tale or what is an offhand kind of just supposition 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.240 and what is the truth? I mean, how do you 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.760 drill down and get that and decipher Well, it's partly 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:03.880 my newspaper training. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:09.120 So being a newspaper editor and columnist for my entire career, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:15.000 I learned how to source things and verify things, and 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.600 to do the research and to find primary sources, which 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:18.760 is the. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:23.040 Well, that's one thing if you're researching a current event, 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.440 news story, Uh huh. But when you're going back two 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.919 hundred years, two hundred and fifty years, I would imagine 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:37.480 it's painstaking to get either confirmation or to cast something aside. Yeah, 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:42.680 the Cincinnati Museum Centers archives in their historical division down 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:46.200 there in the lower level is fantastic as a resource 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.200 because they have all coming they're pretty trustworthy. 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.960 Oh, fantastic because you can find the primary sources. So 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:54.879 the other thing I use a lot is newspapers dot com, 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.240 where I can go back into history and find the 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.480 actual news stories that were published after John Scott Harrison's 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.000 body went missing. So this was quite a sensation in 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.760 the Cincinnati Press, as you can imagine, and so you 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.000 can look up the newspapers. Now, the accounts in the newspapers, 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.760 even as they do today, don't always agree on the facts, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.880 but you can pretty much suss it out and piece 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.879 them together and figure out what happened. And then, of 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.640 course I'm just going online. This is the golden age 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.720 of research. You can find things with a few strokes 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.399 on a keyboard that used to take weeks at a newspaper. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.479 So you just plug it in start doing some random searches. 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.600 And you'll be Surprisedgraves dot com. We'll find you cemeteries 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:43.520 and you'll find you a lot of information about some 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:44.440 of the people that are buried. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.399 Well, as my friend Dave Hatter says, and AI is 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.560 being popping up more and more in these searches. Yes, 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:57.080 just remember that AI sometimes hallucinates. So in fact, I 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:58.880 like that that's occurring more and more. 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:00.879 So, B you got to be care yes, And I 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.000 can honestly say, there's a place to check when you 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.800 upload your book to Amazon. There's a box to check 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:09.280 and it says the question is have you used AI 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.040 in the production and research for this book? And I 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.680 can honestly say no, I do not use AI. Yeah, 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.199 I don't trust it. I just think it's a lazy 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:22.000 writer's way around doing things. You know, it's pretty easy 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.280 to ask a question and have a whole paper presented 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:29.639 to you on some topic by AI, right, And I 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.320 just don't. I don't feel right about that. I'd rather 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:37.040 do it myself. There's so many things, little side roads 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.479 that branch off from the main one. You're taking on 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.240 these topics and you stop and you go, man, that 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.240 looks interesting. So you take a tour down that road 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:47.480 and it's amazing which you find. 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.880 Well, you know what's amazing about what you just said, 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.280 I related to me in that doing this show, doing 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:59.160 the interviews. Yeah, is that's easy. It's all the time 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.880 I take, curating guests and figuring out who I want 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.040 to have in scheduling and booking and trying to track 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.200 people down. Yeah, that's the work. And you like doing 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:12.439 the work. I do. I love the research. It's the 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:13.560 next best thing to writing. 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.359 And it's so exciting because it's sort of like a 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.800 treasure hunt combined with detective work. And sometimes you'll be 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.280 working on a story. One of these stories is about 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.960 Cincinnati's first serial killer. And I was following this story 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.200 and I'm reading the newspaper's accounts and I'm of the time, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.720 and I said, wonder. 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.800 About that prosecutor. He sounds interesting. So I started researching him. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.960 Lo and behold, I find out this guy, this prosecutor 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.399 who prosecuted the first serial killer in Cincinnati, was also 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.320 a guy who flew in the hat and the ring 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.199 squadron in World War One, which was Jimmy Doolittle squad Wow, 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:53.560 pardon me, Eddie Rickenbacker, not Jimmy Doolittle. Doolittle was in 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.800 the squadron, but it was Eddie Rickenbacker, the ace from Ohio. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.320 And you can't make this stuff up. And then you 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:00.520 find out not. 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:03.840 Only that after the war he went over to Indianapolis 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:05.880 five hundred where he drove and worked in the pit 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.680 crew with Rickenbacher. That's crazy, and this guy became the prosecutor. 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.520 Hold it there. We got another half hour to fill. 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.960 Peter Bronson with us for the whole hour. The book 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.920 Magical History Tour. More on that, and we'll play a 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:24.919 little random word association when we come back into the 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.480 second part of this first hour on this night tap 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.400 from Monday night, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Peter Bronson 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:36.360 is our guest. The book is Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery, 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:41.439 Buried History. Five short stories about real Cincinnati history that 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.880 I just thumbled through, had no knowledge of it all. 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:49.320 And Peter highlights this with great research. We were talking 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:54.760 about all the in depth study and research and sifting 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:58.159 through things to find out what's really real and what's not. 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:03.879 And three Snake in the Garden, Yes, what's snake in 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:04.399 the garden? 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.960 That was a fun one, so if you drive out 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.760 near Harrison, Ohio, there's a little place called Whitewater Shaker 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.359 Village and it's abandoned but is probably one of the 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:21.240 best preserved Shaker villages in the USA. And if you 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.600 stop at the cemetery down the road, which is not 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:28.000 very well populated, because the Shakers were celibate. 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.960 Yeah, which probably led to the fact that they don't 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:32.480 exist anymore. Exactly. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:35.919 So they had this big cemetery, it's like two or 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.919 three acres, but there's only about a dozen graves or 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.560 headstones in it, and you're going, well, they didn't think 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:45.320 that very well through. But what it says in the 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.159 middle of the cemetery is a big monument and it 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:52.160 says the Shakers, the Whitewater Shakers were community. 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.240 Of celibate Christian Communists. 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:54.920 Yep. 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.960 And this is from about nineteen fourteen. So the interesting 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:05.200 story here is a bit of a mystery. Two women, 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:11.240 a mother and daughter, both described universally as strikingly beautiful, 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:16.359 were banished from the Shaker village in Whitewater and were 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:19.239 sent to Cincinnati. That was the nearest place they could go. 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.760 They had no real skills that could be marketable, and 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.240 it was almost impossible for a woman in those days 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.760 to get any work except housekeeping. And so they came 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:33.320 to Cincinnati, and what do you know, about a week later, 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.000 they are both found dead in a hotel room. And 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.919 the question is what happened to these two women, the 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:46.200 mother and daughter. It's a really interesting thread that I follow. 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.080 I think that it's been a mystery for years. It 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.919 has always been dismissed as a suicide. But the suicide 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.320 is a little bit sketchy. So the cause of death 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:03.560 at first, on the surface was morphine poisoning. And so 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:07.400 where did these ladies get that and why? And what 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.960 was going on that made them take their lives? If 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.080 they took their lives, it's a short story three in 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:18.920 magical history. Yes, So that mystery is unraveled and tied 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:20.160 up in that story. 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:25.160 All right, little word association, Peter, Sure, because I appreciate 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.359 your take on things political and otherwise I'll try and 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:32.720 keep up with you. All right. What comes to mind 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:37.960