Speaker 1: Hello, Howdie, what was on? Welcome to the Nightcap on
Speaker 1: seven hundred w l GJ Doves sitting down for another
Speaker 1: three hour tour. It's the interview show that you will
Speaker 1: not want to miss, and I hope you don't miss
Speaker 1: a minute of it because it's going to be stellar tonight.
Speaker 1: Just great guests and you first and foremost, a very
Speaker 1: depressing football weekend for me, not only your Bengals losing,
Speaker 1: but my Chiefs, my Lions. I'm just glad that Vanderbilt
Speaker 1: had a bye week in college football, or Hilseid could
Speaker 1: have been four for four of misery. But there's always
Speaker 1: next week. Right Week eleven is done and maybe so
Speaker 1: is Jamar Chase for next week's game against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Not good news, and sorry Bengals fans, but get that
Speaker 1: out of the way. It's just football. What about what's
Speaker 1: going on every day in our country with Democrat socialism
Speaker 1: not as popular as you may think, even with the
Speaker 1: election of Zorammandani in New York and that weird chick
Speaker 1: in Seattle. But I mean that fits Seattle, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: We'll discuss this and more the Epstein Files, the one
Speaker 1: eighty that President Trump has wheeled around just this past
Speaker 1: week and with the realization yet there are enough votes
Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives to release all these Epstein files,
Speaker 1: and now the President says, yes, please do it. I've
Speaker 1: got nothing to hide, which I thought all along. Among
Speaker 1: those are the topics we'll be discussing tonight again, a
Speaker 1: stellar panel, not the least of which the wild Man
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to hear his level of frustration
Speaker 1: and gou with another bad Bengals loss yesterday in Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: to the Steelers. But on the bright side, Peter Bronson
Speaker 1: will be our first guest here in just a few minutes.
Speaker 1: He's got a brand new book out, and Peter's books
Speaker 1: always do well. It's always a great thing for local
Speaker 1: history buffs. When Peter delivers his latest tome, and this
Speaker 1: one is a little bit different, we'll discuss why. And
Speaker 1: then I like to get Peter's opinions, pick his brain,
Speaker 1: so to speak, on matters that we report on all
Speaker 1: the time at current events and news and stuff. So
Speaker 1: Peter sits in with me for the balance of this hour.
Speaker 1: Also doctor Jim Waite. He was a former Northern Kentucky
Speaker 1: dentist who married a woman from Ukraine. And I remember
Speaker 1: talking to doctor Wade on this program actually several years
Speaker 1: ago before or the Russian incursion, the latest Russian incursion
Speaker 1: into that country, and him being in Ukraine, and you
Speaker 1: talked about the corruption in the elections in Ukraine and
Speaker 1: obviously dealing with much different circumstances these days. He has
Speaker 1: been recently. He is going back this week to war
Speaker 1: torn Ukraine and we'll get some eyewitness accounts of what
Speaker 1: he has seen and what is going on inside that
Speaker 1: country with the Putin's hordes at their door. We also
Speaker 1: have Walter Herbst, who is another JFK expert on the
Speaker 1: assassination now some sixty three years ago. Pete Schen from
Speaker 1: the Epstein Justice Project. Peter Shen will be joining us
Speaker 1: as well. I hope you stick around for all of it.
Speaker 1: It's the Nightcap, and we will begin with our first guest,
Speaker 1: the one and only Peter Burnson, in just minutes here
Speaker 1: on seven hundred w l W. Step right this way
Speaker 1: for Peter Bronson. And no, it's it's not a reducts
Speaker 1: of Breakfast with the Beatles from two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: ear anything on the Fox, but the Fab four appropriate
Speaker 1: relating to the title of Peter's latest book, Peter Bronson
Speaker 1: in Studio. How you doing, man? Very good? And you
Speaker 1: glad to be here? Great to have you always? This
Speaker 1: is like content gold for a nightcab great great, Well,
Speaker 1: I love it too. Magical History Tour is the name
Speaker 1: of the book, Murder, Mystery and Buried History. I should
Speaker 1: have brought this out on Halloween. Yeah, well maybe I
Speaker 1: love I love the the cover with the covered wagon
Speaker 1: and the cattle and the backdrop on the front of
Speaker 1: the book. And there is a bonus inside this book,
Speaker 1: ten places to discover Cincinnati History. And that has been
Speaker 1: your forte and that has been what you've focused on.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it. And I tell you what.
Speaker 1: Every time I have you on and you've got a
Speaker 1: new book out, there are people who absolutely respond. They
Speaker 1: hear it, and not because anything that I do or
Speaker 1: this show does, or this show reaches, but because it's
Speaker 1: so compelling when they hear what the book is about
Speaker 1: that they have to dive in, especially if they're they
Speaker 1: consider themselves either a fishinados of Cincinnati local history or
Speaker 1: if they or they don't know much about it, and
Speaker 1: it instantly opens the door for them that you know,
Speaker 1: they might not have knocked on if they had not
Speaker 1: heard about that.
Speaker 2: And I love finding stories that people don't know about,
Speaker 2: great stories of local history. This place, Cincinnati is so
Speaker 2: rich in history anyway, but things like who burned the
Speaker 2: Supper Club.
Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy seven?
Speaker 2: Or did you know Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates in
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty two and barely survived. The South nearly took
Speaker 2: a northern city and that would have been the only
Speaker 2: one and they didn't quite do it, and that story
Speaker 2: is great. Or did you know the story of who
Speaker 2: was Matt Anthony Wayne? How did he save the entire Midwest?
Speaker 1: Now, Peter's just referred to three of his other books
Speaker 1: that we've talked about, Yeah, that you may have in
Speaker 1: your possession. So this one, you did it kind of
Speaker 1: a different approach. You wrote short stories for five different
Speaker 1: items of Cincinnati history to take the Where did that
Speaker 1: concept come from? Did you just think, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this differently this time, or you know, I've
Speaker 1: got to come up with a new angle.
Speaker 2: It was really having so many threads to follow and
Speaker 2: so many good stories to tell, I couldn't I want
Speaker 2: any one of these might have turned into a book,
Speaker 2: but it was more fun doing a lot of them,
Speaker 2: doing five and then turning them into short stories. And
Speaker 2: short stories are pretty cool because you can get into
Speaker 2: the topic and really treat it nicely and then move
Speaker 2: on to the next one. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are enjoy short stories because in our maybe
Speaker 2: our ADHD world today, people are less inclined to sit
Speaker 2: down with a really big book. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: try it out and see how it works. But I
Speaker 2: really like the idea of collections of short stories.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I even enjoyed when I found a
Speaker 1: copy of your for Pete's Sake, the collection of columns
Speaker 1: that you did in the Inquirer. Well, thank you. I
Speaker 1: you know, I thought that that was and for my
Speaker 1: attention span it was perfect. Yeah, one page. But as
Speaker 1: you're saying, though, people have a lot better chance at
Speaker 1: holding on to each story. And then this this bonus
Speaker 1: tour in here in the magical History Tour ten places
Speaker 1: to discover Cincinnati history, and uh, let me just uh so, yeah, idea,
Speaker 1: there are some that are pretty well known.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not We're not talking about the Museum Center,
Speaker 2: which is fantastic, or the Taft Museum or the or
Speaker 2: the Art Museum or things like that, which are all fantastic.
Speaker 1: That goes without saying you've got the smaller museums.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at places that people don't know about
Speaker 2: that that that are right there in your neighborhood. Things
Speaker 2: you can discover that will really help you understand our history.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what one of the It wasn't in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: It was on a trip that I and christ Christ
Speaker 1: and me took to northern Ohio and we passed through
Speaker 1: the town of Fremont, oh Yeah, which was the home
Speaker 1: of Rutherford B. Hayes about that and the Rutherford B.
Speaker 1: Hayes Home that he built. Just walking through that was
Speaker 1: such a great trip back in time and just I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a little little place outstanding. There's so many things
Speaker 1: that you can find and find out about in these
Speaker 1: kind of out of the way. Now this is a
Speaker 1: presidential historical site there, but and there's a museum along
Speaker 1: with it. We didn't even go to the museum. We
Speaker 1: just went through the home and it was worth Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I love those.
Speaker 2: Those historical society homes are often like that too, where
Speaker 2: they have furnished it like a time capsule. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So you walk in and you're seeing how people lived.
Speaker 2: You're seeing the furniture there. You're back in the eighteen
Speaker 2: eighties and you see these little chairs and you go, wow,
Speaker 2: they were small people, and they were. But so another one,
Speaker 2: as long as you're on the topic of presidents, is
Speaker 2: William Henry Harrison. To him over on Mountain Nebo near
Speaker 2: North Bend, and it's up on a hilltop. It's a
Speaker 2: spectacular tomb. William Henry Harrison was quite a fantastic story.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy was. He fought with Matt Anthony
Speaker 2: Wayne at Fallen Timbers. He was there for the Treaty
Speaker 2: of Greenville that settled the Indian Confederation for good. And
Speaker 2: then he eventually became president. And he was the shortest
Speaker 2: president in office because he fell ill with probably pneumonia,
Speaker 2: and died almost immediately after taking office after he was inaugurated.
Speaker 1: But he lived this rich and exciting life.
Speaker 2: And then while I'm looking at that, I find out
Speaker 2: right across the road is this little cemetery. It's called
Speaker 2: Congress Green Cemetery. And this has a really interesting story.
Speaker 2: So William Henry Harrison's son, John Scott Harrison as an
Speaker 2: elderly man, a grandfather. He died suddenly in his sleep,
Speaker 2: and the very night he was buried by his family,
Speaker 2: grave robbers came and took his body wow, and they
Speaker 2: hired the family hired the Pinkerton detectives from Chicago to
Speaker 2: find out where this body was. And it was a
Speaker 2: fascinating sort of mystery and detective story of how they
Speaker 2: tracked it down and where they found it and why
Speaker 2: they found it and what was going on. Apparently Cincinnati
Speaker 2: in those days was like the hub of body snatching
Speaker 2: for the whole Midwest. They were shipping bodies all over Columbus. Well,
Speaker 2: they gave him, they were shipping him to medical schools
Speaker 2: who would pay for these fresh bodies so they could
Speaker 2: teach students to dissect them so they could learn anatomy.
Speaker 2: And they had absolutely no ethics around it. They would
Speaker 2: just take anybody. They mainly preyed on the cemeteries that
Speaker 2: were devoted to paupers and to the black population, in
Speaker 2: other words, people they thought no one would care about. Exactly.
Speaker 2: Only this time they made a mistake. Was the president's
Speaker 2: son and the father see William Henry Harrison was also
Speaker 2: the grandfather of another future president, Benjamin Harrison, So two
Speaker 2: of them in the same family. So this was not
Speaker 2: only the president's son. He was the father of the
Speaker 2: future president. And they found him downtown in Cincinnati. There
Speaker 2: were reports in the newspaper that some strange goings on
Speaker 2: in the early morning hours that night where some package
Speaker 2: that looked a lot like a body was dropped off
Speaker 2: at the Ohio Medical College, which was right downtown near
Speaker 2: the Convention.
Speaker 1: Center where it is today.
Speaker 2: No kid, yeah, it would have been right near the
Speaker 2: Cincinnatian Hotel. And so they've got the Pinkertons and one
Speaker 2: of Harrison's sons whose father's body is now missing. And
Speaker 2: the irony of this is they went to another funeral
Speaker 2: the day after they buried their father, and they went
Speaker 2: to just pay respects at his grave and they saw
Speaker 2: it had been plundered, it was torn.
Speaker 1: And can you imagine how that No, I can't even fathom.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're grieving already, sure, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: like he just died again. Yeah, yeah, uh. You know,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati may have been the hub in the Midwest, but
Speaker 1: it happened famously with Abraham Lincoln's tomb in Springfield, Illinois,
Speaker 1: where his body was was snatched. Unbelievable. Wow. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they were looking for a medical college
Speaker 1: cadaver in that particular case. I think the the sediment
Speaker 1: was so strong about Lincoln at the time and what
Speaker 1: he had presided over. You know, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: they were Southern Confederate sympathizers or if they revered him, and.
Speaker 2: They had the same problem with his assassins the people
Speaker 2: at involved in the conspiracy. So when they had them
Speaker 2: all hanged, they concealed from the public for many years
Speaker 2: what happened to those bodies, and so people couldn't go
Speaker 2: and dig them up and find out what.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: You know, the other thing that I ran across while
Speaker 2: I was doing this is I've always wondered about when
Speaker 2: you go to a cemetery and see those mausoleums that
Speaker 2: looked like little banks and with bars on the windows.
Speaker 2: And that's why they were building mausoleums, is because there
Speaker 2: was so much body snatching going on, really, so to
Speaker 2: protect your loved one and so to just complete the circle.
Speaker 2: The body of James Scott Harrison was finally recovered hanging
Speaker 2: on a rope in a dark shaft at the Ohio
Speaker 2: Medical College where you can just imagine the smells and
Speaker 2: the sites they went through to find this. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're on the nightcap and we don't want to give
Speaker 2: people nights.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Well, but so they find the body and they eventually
Speaker 2: reburied it and you can now find it in the
Speaker 2: tomb with William Henry Harrison at the monument where it
Speaker 2: is behind bars.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, they say that the Barack Obama Presidential
Speaker 1: Library looks a lot like a mausoleum. I wonder how
Speaker 1: many bodies are buried there. Yeah, well that's a good one. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to figure it out once they finally spend
Speaker 1: a lot of money and and get it built. So
Speaker 1: when you do your research for these books, Yeah, where
Speaker 1: does it initially begin? I mean, after your after your vision,
Speaker 1: after your imagination for what you want the book to be,
Speaker 1: and what you're going to go after How how do
Speaker 1: you find this stuff?
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of times people who are readers will
Speaker 2: send me emails, or they'll call me up or send
Speaker 2: me a letter they maybe enjoy. I had one of
Speaker 2: my other books and said, but, by the way, did
Speaker 2: you know such and such happened in my neighborhood, or
Speaker 2: I've also been out speaking to a lot of historical
Speaker 2: societies and various groups. So I do book signings maybe
Speaker 2: once a week through the winter, two times a week.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Whoever you know needs a speaker and they want to
Speaker 2: buy some books, and I'll go out and sign them
Speaker 2: for them. And so a lot of times people in
Speaker 2: the audience will raise a hand and say, hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, I want to tell you about this story
Speaker 2: that you'd love, and I just I pick up a
Speaker 2: lot of them that way.
Speaker 1: Talking to Peter Bronson on the Nightcap brand new book,
Speaker 1: Magical History Tour is out. Now, how do you discern
Speaker 1: between when you're doing the research on these these history books,
Speaker 1: how do you discern between what is an old wives
Speaker 1: tale or what is an offhand kind of just supposition
Speaker 1: and what is the truth? I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: drill down and get that and decipher Well, it's partly
Speaker 1: my newspaper training.
Speaker 2: So being a newspaper editor and columnist for my entire career,
Speaker 2: I learned how to source things and verify things, and
Speaker 2: to do the research and to find primary sources, which
Speaker 2: is the.
Speaker 1: Well, that's one thing if you're researching a current event,
Speaker 1: news story, Uh huh. But when you're going back two
Speaker 1: hundred years, two hundred and fifty years, I would imagine
Speaker 1: it's painstaking to get either confirmation or to cast something aside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Museum Centers archives in their historical division down
Speaker 1: there in the lower level is fantastic as a resource
Speaker 1: because they have all coming they're pretty trustworthy.
Speaker 2: Oh, fantastic because you can find the primary sources. So
Speaker 2: the other thing I use a lot is newspapers dot com,
Speaker 2: where I can go back into history and find the
Speaker 2: actual news stories that were published after John Scott Harrison's
Speaker 2: body went missing. So this was quite a sensation in
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Press, as you can imagine, and so you
Speaker 2: can look up the newspapers. Now, the accounts in the newspapers,
Speaker 2: even as they do today, don't always agree on the facts,
Speaker 2: but you can pretty much suss it out and piece
Speaker 2: them together and figure out what happened. And then, of
Speaker 2: course I'm just going online. This is the golden age
Speaker 2: of research. You can find things with a few strokes
Speaker 2: on a keyboard that used to take weeks at a newspaper.
Speaker 2: So you just plug it in start doing some random searches.
Speaker 2: And you'll be Surprisedgraves dot com. We'll find you cemeteries
Speaker 2: and you'll find you a lot of information about some
Speaker 2: of the people that are buried.
Speaker 1: Well, as my friend Dave Hatter says, and AI is
Speaker 1: being popping up more and more in these searches. Yes,
Speaker 1: just remember that AI sometimes hallucinates. So in fact, I
Speaker 1: like that that's occurring more and more.
Speaker 2: So, B you got to be care yes, And I
Speaker 2: can honestly say, there's a place to check when you
Speaker 2: upload your book to Amazon. There's a box to check
Speaker 2: and it says the question is have you used AI
Speaker 2: in the production and research for this book? And I
Speaker 2: can honestly say no, I do not use AI. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't trust it. I just think it's a lazy
Speaker 2: writer's way around doing things. You know, it's pretty easy
Speaker 2: to ask a question and have a whole paper presented
Speaker 2: to you on some topic by AI, right, And I
Speaker 2: just don't. I don't feel right about that. I'd rather
Speaker 2: do it myself. There's so many things, little side roads
Speaker 2: that branch off from the main one. You're taking on
Speaker 2: these topics and you stop and you go, man, that
Speaker 2: looks interesting. So you take a tour down that road
Speaker 2: and it's amazing which you find.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's amazing about what you just said,
Speaker 1: I related to me in that doing this show, doing
Speaker 1: the interviews. Yeah, is that's easy. It's all the time
Speaker 1: I take, curating guests and figuring out who I want
Speaker 1: to have in scheduling and booking and trying to track
Speaker 1: people down. Yeah, that's the work. And you like doing
Speaker 1: the work. I do. I love the research. It's the
Speaker 1: next best thing to writing.
Speaker 2: And it's so exciting because it's sort of like a
Speaker 2: treasure hunt combined with detective work. And sometimes you'll be
Speaker 2: working on a story. One of these stories is about
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's first serial killer. And I was following this story
Speaker 2: and I'm reading the newspaper's accounts and I'm of the time,
Speaker 2: and I said, wonder.
Speaker 1: About that prosecutor. He sounds interesting. So I started researching him.
Speaker 2: Lo and behold, I find out this guy, this prosecutor
Speaker 2: who prosecuted the first serial killer in Cincinnati, was also
Speaker 2: a guy who flew in the hat and the ring
Speaker 2: squadron in World War One, which was Jimmy Doolittle squad Wow,
Speaker 2: pardon me, Eddie Rickenbacker, not Jimmy Doolittle. Doolittle was in
Speaker 2: the squadron, but it was Eddie Rickenbacker, the ace from Ohio.
Speaker 1: And you can't make this stuff up. And then you
Speaker 1: find out not.
Speaker 2: Only that after the war he went over to Indianapolis
Speaker 2: five hundred where he drove and worked in the pit
Speaker 2: crew with Rickenbacher. That's crazy, and this guy became the prosecutor.
Speaker 1: Hold it there. We got another half hour to fill.
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson with us for the whole hour. The book
Speaker 1: Magical History Tour. More on that, and we'll play a
Speaker 1: little random word association when we come back into the
Speaker 1: second part of this first hour on this night tap
Speaker 1: from Monday night, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Peter Bronson
Speaker 1: is our guest. The book is Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery,
Speaker 1: Buried History. Five short stories about real Cincinnati history that
Speaker 1: I just thumbled through, had no knowledge of it all.
Speaker 1: And Peter highlights this with great research. We were talking
Speaker 1: about all the in depth study and research and sifting
Speaker 1: through things to find out what's really real and what's not.
Speaker 1: And three Snake in the Garden, Yes, what's snake in
Speaker 1: the garden?
Speaker 2: That was a fun one, so if you drive out
Speaker 2: near Harrison, Ohio, there's a little place called Whitewater Shaker
Speaker 2: Village and it's abandoned but is probably one of the
Speaker 2: best preserved Shaker villages in the USA. And if you
Speaker 2: stop at the cemetery down the road, which is not
Speaker 2: very well populated, because the Shakers were celibate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which probably led to the fact that they don't
Speaker 1: exist anymore. Exactly.
Speaker 2: So they had this big cemetery, it's like two or
Speaker 2: three acres, but there's only about a dozen graves or
Speaker 2: headstones in it, and you're going, well, they didn't think
Speaker 2: that very well through. But what it says in the
Speaker 2: middle of the cemetery is a big monument and it
Speaker 2: says the Shakers, the Whitewater Shakers were community.
Speaker 1: Of celibate Christian Communists.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: And this is from about nineteen fourteen. So the interesting
Speaker 2: story here is a bit of a mystery. Two women,
Speaker 2: a mother and daughter, both described universally as strikingly beautiful,
Speaker 2: were banished from the Shaker village in Whitewater and were
Speaker 2: sent to Cincinnati. That was the nearest place they could go.
Speaker 2: They had no real skills that could be marketable, and
Speaker 2: it was almost impossible for a woman in those days
Speaker 2: to get any work except housekeeping. And so they came
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati, and what do you know, about a week later,
Speaker 2: they are both found dead in a hotel room. And
Speaker 2: the question is what happened to these two women, the
Speaker 2: mother and daughter. It's a really interesting thread that I follow.
Speaker 2: I think that it's been a mystery for years. It
Speaker 2: has always been dismissed as a suicide. But the suicide
Speaker 2: is a little bit sketchy. So the cause of death
Speaker 2: at first, on the surface was morphine poisoning. And so
Speaker 2: where did these ladies get that and why? And what
Speaker 2: was going on that made them take their lives? If
Speaker 2: they took their lives, it's a short story three in
Speaker 2: magical history. Yes, So that mystery is unraveled and tied
Speaker 2: up in that story.
Speaker 1: All right, little word association, Peter, Sure, because I appreciate
Speaker 1: your take on things political and otherwise I'll try and
Speaker 1: keep up with you. All right. What comes to mind
Speaker 1: when you hear the term democrat socialist, Well, that's really
Speaker 1: just kind of communism light.
Speaker 2: It's just like progressive when people got tired of being
Speaker 2: called liberals and they said we're going to be progressives.
Speaker 2: Now now they don't like being called progressives anymore because
Speaker 2: that they've stained that. And now democrats socialism, they're going
Speaker 2: to wear that out in a hurry. In New York,
Speaker 2: look at it's socialism on the slow train. It's communism
Speaker 2: in the slow lane.
Speaker 1: I heard a news report earlier that in the city
Speaker 1: of New York, the Democrat Socialist charter list eleven thousand
Speaker 1: people out of eight million. Wow, a million people voted
Speaker 1: for Zooran Mandani as a self confessed Democrat socialist. But
Speaker 1: this happens all the time with communism. And in the
Speaker 1: country of communist China, only ten percent of the populace
Speaker 1: are card carring Communist party met.
Speaker 2: Really, so you've been doing your research and well, Democrat socialists.
Speaker 1: The woman in Seattle, Katie Wilson, who just won the
Speaker 1: mayoral election there Democrat socialists proves on her parents' money.
Speaker 1: Who lives on her parents. It's easier to be a
Speaker 1: socialist when you have Zoran never had a job up
Speaker 1: until like a couple of years ago, isn't it just
Speaker 1: so appalling? And there were eighty thousand Democrats socialists in
Speaker 1: the whole country, Wow, eleven thousand, But It always starts
Speaker 1: with a very radical, small fringe group of people who
Speaker 1: somehow hoodwinker convince a majority that their way is right,
Speaker 1: even though once they find out what they're really about,
Speaker 1: things turn out terribly for everyone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, free stuff, but free stuff, free buses, free childcare,
Speaker 2: free everything, rent control. I mean, this guy, he's promising
Speaker 2: all kinds of things he can't deliver. It's I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it goes really back to Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it goes back even farther. And let
Speaker 1: me explain this, Peter. I think it goes back to
Speaker 1: the fact that capitalism isn't a failed system. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that it's been perverted. Free market capitalism been for
Speaker 1: perverted by socialism for the last hundred years in this country.
Speaker 1: It's been a slow grind, and the more we saw
Speaker 1: of a welfare state, the more we saw of even
Speaker 1: medicare something like that social security. People look to government
Speaker 1: for answers that only God can provide, and only they
Speaker 1: themselves can provide or should provide under the guise of
Speaker 1: the system itself, the republic. In other words, this is
Speaker 1: not a failure of capitalism. This is this is an
Speaker 1: extension of the socialism that has been slowly grinding through
Speaker 1: our culture and society for a century. Well, and do
Speaker 1: you think that the more the more government supposedly gives
Speaker 1: or provides the answers, the more that they're expect to
Speaker 1: do so, even though they fail miserably at providing the
Speaker 1: answers every time and in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: It seems to me if you look at your history too,
Speaker 2: the socialist approach is to destroy a given system so
Speaker 2: that it can then be taken over by the government. Yeah, so, really,
Speaker 2: you take a look at Obamacare, what it really was,
Speaker 2: It's it's a bridge to nationalized health care. Because what
Speaker 2: you're going to do is you're going to destroy the
Speaker 2: private system that provides.
Speaker 1: The best, which is exactly what.
Speaker 2: Exactly And so if you can just completely throw wrenches
Speaker 2: in the in the cogs of that and destroy it
Speaker 2: till people are so fed up with it, and then
Speaker 2: what do they do. They turn around and blame that
Speaker 2: It's it's the private market. It's the free, free enterprise
Speaker 2: system that failed, though it wasn't. It was the socialized
Speaker 2: effort to reform it that failed. And now people, you
Speaker 2: wait and see, maybe not while we're living, but maybe
Speaker 2: later on people are going to end up turning to
Speaker 2: a single pair government issued healthcare like the horrible systems
Speaker 2: in Canada and the UK. Oh you know what I'll
Speaker 2: like in it? This is my next one, Peter, digital
Speaker 2: ID that the UN is calling for. That starmer in
Speaker 2: Great Britain just last week said without the digital without
Speaker 2: signing up for the digital ID, oh that's fine, you
Speaker 2: won't be able to work. Oh great, So that's happening
Speaker 2: in Great Britain. That's a lot like the social credits
Speaker 2: and the Big Brother stuff that's going on all over
Speaker 2: the world and was actually really gaining on us until
Speaker 2: the latest presidential election. I mean, if we had seen
Speaker 2: Harris as president, all this stuff would be much worse.
Speaker 2: It would be a lot like Canada is today, I think.
Speaker 2: And you know, the irony here is that I would
Speaker 2: be willing to just hazard a bet that the same
Speaker 2: people who are calling for digital ID do not want
Speaker 2: ID for voting.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like being surprising. It's like the real idea
Speaker 1: we're required to have now to fly in a plane,
Speaker 1: commercial airplane. Yeah, real ID. Joe Biden's administration purposely flew
Speaker 1: millions of people with no ID no vetting around the
Speaker 1: country in commercial jets to spaces cities all over the
Speaker 1: country with no ID, and yet American citizens born here,
Speaker 1: taxpayers have to show their have to show their papers exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think the long game there is that you
Speaker 2: want these people without IDs so that they can vote
Speaker 2: in elections and give a permanent majority to the demos.
Speaker 1: The other thing about New York City, you do not
Speaker 1: have to show an ID to vote. Boy, and the
Speaker 1: mail in voting, I mean, it's all part of the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 2: I guess the Supreme Court decision on that should be
Speaker 2: very interesting because they're going to have a test case
Speaker 2: on mail in voting, which is one of the biggest
Speaker 2: open doors for fraud in our election system certainly. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean a universal idea.
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea. What's next, we get a tattoo.
Speaker 1: The President over the weekend flipped the script turned to
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty degrees on the Epstein files because
Speaker 1: he saw the writing on the wall. It was going
Speaker 1: to pass in the House, regardless of they're trying to
Speaker 1: not get that to pass. And now the President says
Speaker 1: he and he's always said, and I believe he has
Speaker 1: nothing to hide as far as you know. Well, that's
Speaker 1: what the emails that have been released pedophilia or human
Speaker 1: trafficking with Epstein go. He kicked Epstein out of mar
Speaker 1: A Lago for his behavior.
Speaker 2: For being such a SkELL guy. Yeah, way back when.
Speaker 2: What I have heard from people like my Rep.
Speaker 1: Thomas Messy is that the President was reluctant because he
Speaker 1: didn't want some of his donors to be embarrassed. Well,
Speaker 1: that's certainly a possibility. And he did say back in July.
Speaker 1: President Trump did say back in July he said a
Speaker 1: lot of people who did nothing wrong are gonna get
Speaker 1: dirty because they sent an email to Epstein. So I
Speaker 1: mean there's some logic there. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in these emails, one of the things that the
Speaker 2: headlines that I've been reading in the Wall Street journals say,
Speaker 2: emails are released and Trump is mentioned a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, what it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Tell you is that in these mentions, people are coming
Speaker 2: to Epstein and asking him if he will help them
Speaker 2: sabotage Trump.
Speaker 1: Yes, by come on out and tell everybody how dirty was.
Speaker 2: And Epstein is replying he didn't do anything wrong. And
Speaker 2: Epstein hated Trump because he'd been thrown out of mar
Speaker 2: A Lago. So if he had something to use on him,
Speaker 2: he would have used it absolutely, And and it's impossible
Speaker 2: to believe after all this time, after two impeachments, all
Speaker 2: these investigations, that Jack Smith witch hunt, all of these things,
Speaker 2: Mueller's witch hunt, that if they had something, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have viewed it by now what are they waiting for? So,
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I don't think Trump personally has anything
Speaker 2: to worry about, but yeah, I can see how some donors,
Speaker 2: some fat cats, Bill Gates, a lot of other people
Speaker 2: are mentioned in those Epstein files, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: and Hillary. Yeah, and Ohio's most wealthy resident, Les Wexner,
Speaker 2: is prominently featured in there. I mean, I've read some
Speaker 2: stuff about that that's really knocks your socks off. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Why did he give Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over
Speaker 2: his entire corporate empire?
Speaker 1: What was going on there? Excellent question? All right? Next,
Speaker 1: the president's campaign of war or rumored war against the
Speaker 1: drug cartels.
Speaker 2: What do you think I think that even what we're
Speaker 2: seeing with the protests in Mexico City that are going on,
Speaker 2: that even the people of Mexico are beginning to catch
Speaker 2: on that this that has become a narco state.
Speaker 1: And we were kind of plus go farther south. Venezuela
Speaker 1: is a narco state, there's no question.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean Pablo Escobar ran narco state in
Speaker 2: Central America. I mean, it was unbelievable, it was, and
Speaker 2: we were kind of comfortable with that as long as
Speaker 2: it was enough zip codes away from us and we
Speaker 2: had enough borders between us. But then when the borders
Speaker 2: open up and you see what it's doing to Americans
Speaker 2: and how many have died. I mean, honestly, we're seeing
Speaker 2: unbelievable amounts of deaths and we never read about more
Speaker 2: people have died of More Americans have.
Speaker 1: Died of fentanyl poisoning than died in the Vietnam War,
Speaker 1: in World War two, Wow, in World War One. Wow.
Speaker 1: That's shocking, and we don't we don't read anything about it.
Speaker 1: If you if you discount Civil War, in every other
Speaker 1: war since, more Americans have died of fentanyl poisoning than
Speaker 1: all those wars combined.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we know,
Speaker 2: as long as we know that these boats are running
Speaker 2: drugs and they're packed with drugs, and it's easy enough
Speaker 2: to find out, and I would hope that our intelligence
Speaker 2: gathering apparatus can determine that and make a finding in Hey,
Speaker 2: you fool around, you find out.
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that we don't want is obviously
Speaker 1: another Vietnam, right, an undeclared war that Congress doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: give the ok too. Yeah. And the situation with Venezuela
Speaker 1: is it's like right there, Yeah, it's pretty close. And
Speaker 1: Maduro obviously is a criminal who stole an election.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and running a narco state, doing as best to
Speaker 2: sabotage our country and our security, propping as many as
Speaker 2: Americans as possi, propping.
Speaker 1: Up terrorist organizations like Trendy a Ragua and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And shipping as many as possible, you know. Speaking of
Speaker 2: that border thing, I was of the opinion that one
Speaker 2: of the biggest risks of the open border with Mexico
Speaker 2: is that it relieved all the pressure on their government
Speaker 2: to reform and clean that up, because as long as
Speaker 2: people could vote with their feet and just leave the country,
Speaker 2: there was never going to be any revolution in Mexico
Speaker 2: to clean up their government and stop the extortion, the bribery,
Speaker 2: the corruption, the narco terrorism, and now finally that we've
Speaker 2: closed the border, look what we're seeing. We're seeing protests
Speaker 2: in Mexico City. People are gonna they're gonna shape things
Speaker 2: up in Mexico, I think because they don't.
Speaker 1: Have anywhere to go now right we cut off their
Speaker 1: relief valve.
Speaker 2: Yes, steam is building up for the pressure cooker. The
Speaker 2: lid's gonna blow off. Okay, so one more.
Speaker 1: Uh. And it relates to affordability and how do we
Speaker 1: find that again? What's the answer that so many people
Speaker 1: are turning to the government to make things affordable government
Speaker 1: grocery stores, of fixed rate housing and all the other
Speaker 1: nonsense that Mom Donnie is preaching that will not work
Speaker 1: ultimately but is attracting, especially so many younger voters. What
Speaker 1: can be done to make things more affordable? And is
Speaker 1: it really a self fulfilling prophecy when you see Americans
Speaker 1: credit card debt for example, and the living beyond your means?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had a pastor talking a
Speaker 1: sermon about how it's important for us to live within
Speaker 1: our means. Yeah, So what's Peter Bronson's answer to affordability
Speaker 1: which is the new word for equity? Or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, I'm suspicious of that it has
Speaker 2: become coined by the press as a way to justify
Speaker 2: Mandami's election and say that there's this widespread dissatisfaction in
Speaker 2: the country. I don't think that's true. I think what
Speaker 2: you're talking about is New York. If you've been to
Speaker 2: New York, you know it costs you like fourteen to
Speaker 2: fifteen dollars for bottle of coke, you know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: they have an affordability crisis. We have an affordability crisis
Speaker 2: in housing because we've had millions of people displacing the
Speaker 2: housing for the people that are here paying their.
Speaker 1: Taxes, another consequence of the open border exactly.
Speaker 2: And we've had a runaway inflation because the Biden administration
Speaker 2: was just printing money. And so, yes, do we have
Speaker 2: an affordability problem. Yes, I think it's heading in the
Speaker 2: right direction. The other day I saw gas prices down
Speaker 2: to two seventy eight. You know, that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: That's that's where your affordability because fuel oil and by
Speaker 2: the barrel has an effect on everything, food prices, travel, trucking,
Speaker 2: everything is delivered by fuel.
Speaker 1: And so I think we're going to see some real
Speaker 1: positive out.
Speaker 2: Scott Best was on the rate on one of the
Speaker 2: talk shows over the weekend and talking about how the economy,
Speaker 2: now that we've got the government shut down behind us,
Speaker 2: the economy is going to take off and things are
Speaker 2: going to get a lot better, and I believe that's true. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: people have to be patient. I know it's hard to
Speaker 2: say for those who are really struggling, but really a
Speaker 2: lot of things are looking much.
Speaker 1: We live in such an instant gratification society that will
Speaker 1: they be patient enough where the first or second quarter
Speaker 1: of next year? That's the question.
Speaker 2: And I think the media is going to do everything
Speaker 2: they can to make people as imp as possible by
Speaker 2: by beating this affordability drama, which is their new toy.
Speaker 1: And if it's not that, it's something else. So don't
Speaker 1: pay attention to the media.
Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 1: Walter Herbs with another JFK book coming up in minutes
Speaker 1: into another hour of the Nightcap here on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW and joining us Lusiman for in this half hour
Speaker 1: is the author of Yes, yet another book on the
Speaker 1: JFK assassination. And when I say that, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that I'm bored with books on the JFK assassination. It
Speaker 1: just means there is a proliferation of them out to
Speaker 1: this day, sixty three years or sixty two years after
Speaker 1: that day in November that changed the nation and changed
Speaker 1: the direction of geopolitical affairs worldwide, the assassination of a
Speaker 1: president John F. Kennedy. This gentleman has worked extensive This
Speaker 1: is his third book on JFK. He has done just
Speaker 1: piles and piles of research. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: try and imagine the work that has gone into these.
Speaker 1: He's done decades of intensive, comprehensive research and covering the
Speaker 1: truth behind the assassination of JFK and related topics like
Speaker 1: the rise this is interesting, the rise of the radical
Speaker 1: right in the twentieth century. I'm sure he's aware of
Speaker 1: what's happening in the twenty first century, the attempt to
Speaker 1: contain communism, and again the first was a volume one,
Speaker 1: Volume two, it did not start with JFK. The decades
Speaker 1: of events that led to the assassination of John F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior. And the latest book is Last Resort, Beyond
Speaker 1: Last Resort, the JFK assassination, the need to protect wes Berlin,
Speaker 1: and why a second invasion of Cube It never happened.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Walter Herbst And how are you, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm well Gary, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for being had. As we like to say, now,
Speaker 1: first and foremost, I always have to ask the motivation
Speaker 1: behind wanting to do all this research and wanting to
Speaker 1: write these books on something that there were so many
Speaker 1: Americans who are adults today who weren't alive and maybe
Speaker 1: weren't even living the first time Ronald Reagan was elected
Speaker 1: president in this country? Right, what's the motivation to continue
Speaker 1: to do the research and to shine a light on
Speaker 1: what you believe through your research really happened and why
Speaker 1: it happened. What's the deal?
Speaker 3: Sure? Okay, Well, I was six years old when JFK
Speaker 3: got killed, too young to have an opinion on what happened,
Speaker 3: right or wrong, so accepted the Warren Report. Did that
Speaker 3: through my twenties, scept did the Warren Report until a
Speaker 3: friend who kept pestoring me gave me a book called
Speaker 3: was David Lifton's book about the autopsy and in the
Speaker 3: Events surround You. And I read that and it was
Speaker 3: like it hooked me because something's wrong. We've been lied
Speaker 3: to that there was a conspiracy. There's too many questions.
Speaker 3: So from that point on I began researching, and as
Speaker 3: I got to most recent in my last book, Last
Speaker 3: Resort Beyond Last Resort, which the title that comes from
Speaker 3: William Harvey, who was in charge of CIA assassinations, and
Speaker 3: he called assassination last resort beyond Last Resort, which I
Speaker 3: think applies to the JFK assassination because where most authors
Speaker 3: or many authors who think there's a conspiracy think it
Speaker 3: had to do with creating an invasion of Cuba or
Speaker 3: trying to be a catalyst for an invasion of Cuba,
Speaker 3: my research took me in a different direction. Not that that's
Speaker 3: not true, that is true. But there was a group
Speaker 3: that was worried about what would happen to Berlin, because
Speaker 3: if we invaded Cuba, the Russians would move into Berlin
Speaker 3: and possibly jeopardized Western Europe. And there was a group
Speaker 3: as a last resort, They last resort, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: killed Kennedy to prevent that invade him from happening.
Speaker 1: And these are i C I a people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not the CIA as a group, okay, but it's
Speaker 3: a group where it's at the CIA. There are a
Speaker 3: number of individuals centered in in in Europe. There was
Speaker 3: William Harvey, who I mentioned previously, who was at one
Speaker 3: time station chief in Berlin. There was James Angleton, who
Speaker 3: became CIA counterintelligence chief, who during World War Two was
Speaker 3: stationed in Italy and uh and and and afterwards as well,
Speaker 3: Frank Widner in various people like and others. But they're
Speaker 3: also European monarchists or fascists, some of them who were
Speaker 3: who were ex Nazis, who works with the CIA.
Speaker 4: Following World War.
Speaker 5: Two, and they got together and it's you know, it's
Speaker 5: something that hadn't just happen by accident.
Speaker 3: There's a fellow named Jean Pierre Lafitte, who has a
Speaker 3: date book, who's controversial date book will grant you, but
Speaker 3: it's it's a narrative of or chronological narrative of the
Speaker 3: plot to kill JFK. And I think it's real, and
Speaker 3: it follows how these individuals eventually wound up directing Oswald
Speaker 3: and how they killed the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: Well, I just talked to doctor David Mantik, who has
Speaker 1: done as you may may be familiar with his work,
Speaker 1: He's written several JFK books and his expertise as a
Speaker 1: doctor of radiation on collegist in looking at the x rays,
Speaker 1: close looks at the autobiography, X rays show that JFK
Speaker 1: clearly was shot from the front, not as we were told,
Speaker 1: no doubt in my opinion.
Speaker 3: So I mean, look, but if you look. Even an
Speaker 3: issue of Life magazine came out very shortly after the assassination,
Speaker 3: and keep in mind that the brutal film was not
Speaker 3: released until early nineteen seventies for the public to see,
Speaker 3: so no one was going to see it, right, And
Speaker 3: the author of that article, Paul Mandel, says in Life
Speaker 3: Magazine that JFK turned around and faced the sniper's nest
Speaker 3: and the sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository
Speaker 3: waving to the crowd and was shot in the throat.
Speaker 3: And we know that never happened, right right, And he
Speaker 3: never turned around and faced behind him. In fact, if
Speaker 3: the brute from shows him getting shot his arms go
Speaker 3: up with his elbows out, he'd never At that point,
Speaker 3: he's not waving anymore.
Speaker 1: And they yeah, it's it's hard to weigh. It's hard
Speaker 1: to wave when your brain dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's exactly, I mean, it kind of. It
Speaker 3: does have its limitations. Yeah, but there's so I mean, look,
Speaker 3: there's so many things about just go to the evidence
Speaker 3: that they found in the Texas school Book Depository that
Speaker 3: they used to uh, basically convict Oswald. They say they
Speaker 3: found two give me three shells on the sixth floor,
Speaker 3: it's the sniper's mess. Well they didn't. They found two
Speaker 3: shells and a live round on the floor. And there's
Speaker 3: a photo in the Warrant Commission report that shows clearly
Speaker 3: two shells and a live round. But in addition to that,
Speaker 3: when the police picked up the evidence and they wrote
Speaker 3: reports and they say they handed over to the FBI
Speaker 3: two shells and a live round. The FBI transferred it
Speaker 3: from one to another, same thing. Jaeger Hoover wrote a report,
Speaker 3: same thing. It was only until the FBI or you
Speaker 3: and the Dallas Police found out that one of the
Speaker 3: shots missed the limo hit a curb and a splinter
Speaker 3: from the curb hit a bystander named James Tagg that
Speaker 3: they realized that they have one shot that that's on
Speaker 3: accounted for muse. Initially, Hoover had said one shot hit
Speaker 3: hit John Connolly, one shot hit Kennedy, had one shot
Speaker 3: hit hit him in the back, and that no longer
Speaker 3: so they needed a third shells. All of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department mysteriously found the
Speaker 3: shell with with with a dented hand on it and
Speaker 3: submitted it and that became the mysterious magically the third
Speaker 3: shell to explain how Kennedy was killed from the rear.
Speaker 3: And the only thing is they never considered two assassins.
Speaker 4: Why what what?
Speaker 3: What would have been? What? What I mean? There's so
Speaker 3: much confusion about the autopsy. If you're I'm sure doctor
Speaker 3: Mantin talked to me about this. But the back wound,
Speaker 3: there's a back wound in Kennedy's body that they could
Speaker 3: not probe it was not a through hole, right, they'd
Speaker 3: used the probe, they used their fingers.
Speaker 4: It only went so far, okay.
Speaker 3: And then they found out that a bullet was found
Speaker 3: that Commission Exhibit three ninety nine, that pristine bullet, the
Speaker 3: magic bullet was found on a stretcher. And they said
Speaker 3: out during during the autopsy, or excuse me, during the
Speaker 3: examination in Dallas, they must have done cardiac massage and
Speaker 3: the bullet worked its way out and this is why
Speaker 3: we have this bullet. Well, it turned out that couldn't
Speaker 3: be the case. They didn't know a trachy out of
Speaker 3: me done to Kennedy's throat, and that it obliterated a
Speaker 3: bullet hole that they would have seen otherwise.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So there's so much evidence that, I mean, the virtu
Speaker 3: The gun was originally identified as a Mauser, not a
Speaker 3: man lyincher carcana. So the police identified it as a Mauser.
Speaker 3: And this is nineteen sixty three Dallas, right, so they
Speaker 3: know guns. One of the police officers used to own
Speaker 3: a sporting goods store. He wrote an Affidavid very detailed,
Speaker 3: explain this is the mouth. Okay. Well, eventually they found
Speaker 3: out days later that Oswald had ordered a man lyncher Forrcanne,
Speaker 3: so that there was no correction thing. We were mistaken.
Speaker 3: There was no Affidavid following up thing. It's a man
Speaker 3: nay r Conno. They just made it an lyinch carcana.
Speaker 3: So for some reason they had this man Lee Harvey
Speaker 3: Oswold had to be a killer, all right, And I
Speaker 3: mean it goes on and on. There's that the the
Speaker 3: scene of the Tippet murder.
Speaker 1: You know what, Let's let's let's let's hold right there
Speaker 1: with the Tippet murder and come back. Walter Herbs is
Speaker 1: our guest. The book is Last Resort, Last Resort Beyond
Speaker 1: Last Resort on the JFK Assassination. I'm fascinated. I want
Speaker 1: to know more, and we will find out more in
Speaker 1: just a few On the nightcap on seven hundred w
Speaker 1: l W once again talking with Walter Herps, the author
Speaker 1: of Last Resort Beyond Last Resort, the JFK assassination and
Speaker 1: uh and it includes the need to protect West Berlin
Speaker 1: and why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you, Walter, is it true to that perhaps
Speaker 1: our involvement in Vietnam would have been greatly reduced had
Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy lived throughout his his first term.
Speaker 3: Well, I believe so. I mean, he was on record
Speaker 3: near the end of his first term saying we have
Speaker 3: to get out of Vietnam. And he said to Mike Mansfield,
Speaker 3: congressional leader, that.
Speaker 4: We have to do this.
Speaker 3: We said the mation, damn sure, I'm re elected, because
Speaker 3: unless I get reelected, its not going to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and no, Kennedy was consistent in that. And this is
Speaker 3: where the Berlin angle comes into it, o getting. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is something that most researchers haven't looked at, but
Speaker 3: throughout Kennedy's presidency, Berlin always came up Bay of Pigs.
Speaker 3: He was, you know, his advisors and said, well, you
Speaker 3: know what, if we go into the Bay of Pigs,
Speaker 3: Russians might take might take Wes Berlin. Which is why
Speaker 3: Kennedy was so careful not to involve the United States
Speaker 3: directly in the invasion. Same thing with when the Berlin
Speaker 3: wore went up. There were those that thought he should
Speaker 3: we should use nuclear weapons against against against the Russians,
Speaker 3: and of course Kennedy would never do that. And in
Speaker 3: Vietnam as well. I mean, he worried about whatever he
Speaker 3: does there would affect Berlin, and so that's why he
Speaker 3: sent advisors that in never military troops. So he knew
Speaker 3: he had to get out. And you know, in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty three he signed a nuclear test ban treaty with
Speaker 3: with with with the Russians, and of course that was
Speaker 3: after the missile crisis, and missile crisis seared him and
Speaker 3: khrush Chef, and so he gave them a famous speech
Speaker 3: at American University in June nineteen sixty three where he
Speaker 3: talked about the United States and the Russians. He said,
Speaker 3: he said, we all want to protect their children's future.
Speaker 3: We show us the air we breathe, and the basically
Speaker 3: the Russians are so moved by it that they they
Speaker 3: actually broadcast in Russia the entire speech. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: so he was, he was, we would not have gone
Speaker 3: into viet Nom. And that's on the present. Sure he
Speaker 3: already started. He pulled a thousand men out and Robert mcnamaron,
Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense, was meeting with military leaders. They give
Speaker 3: me a plan to get out by nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 3: and they would drag their feet and he would continue
Speaker 3: to push push on these people. So, I mean that's
Speaker 3: just one of the groups that Kennedy faced so much
Speaker 3: animosity against him within the government and with an outside government.
Speaker 1: Well, to call Kennedy a Democrat in light of today's
Speaker 1: Democrat Party, it's kind of a misnomer. He was a
Speaker 1: very conservative man. I think.
Speaker 3: Look, I agree with you. The definitions are conservative and
Speaker 3: the liberal seems to be the same. But the definition
Speaker 3: of conservative today and back then was different. Even right wing.
Speaker 3: I think the definition was different. I mean right wing
Speaker 3: transcended party line because there were so many factors that
Speaker 3: went into it. Women, basically anti communist, maybe a pro segregationist, uh,
Speaker 3: racial segregationist.
Speaker 4: And so there are people on both sides.
Speaker 3: Of the aisle that would before that certainly and in
Speaker 3: those days on the left side of the aisle give
Speaker 3: the disocrats right and throughout the South who were basically
Speaker 3: I mean the editor uh of of of the Dallas
Speaker 3: Borne News, Deally whose whose his father and grandfather, Deely Plums,
Speaker 3: was named after, and right after Kennedy became president, they
Speaker 3: went to visit him and him and a number of
Speaker 3: other journalists, and he accused the Kennedy but he said,
Speaker 3: the world is looking at you, and then you're riding
Speaker 3: around on Caroline's tricycle. We need, we need, we need
Speaker 3: a white knight on a shining horse to come in
Speaker 3: and take charge of things. They did not respect the president.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still anti communist? Am I a right winger? Then, Walter, Well, if.
Speaker 3: You are, I am as well communism as from the
Speaker 3: minute it reared its head. And go back to George
Speaker 3: Keenan in the nineteen forties. It was an American diplomat
Speaker 3: in Moscow. I think it was the left r that
Speaker 3: asked him, give me a summary. What do we have
Speaker 3: to be afraid of? Because as the war was coming
Speaker 3: to an end, you know, there were those that didn't
Speaker 3: trust the Russians that had turned out rightfully. So we
Speaker 3: put together a five thousand word telegram and he basically
Speaker 3: said that their objective was to destroy democracy, destroyed the
Speaker 3: United States, and just put communism instill it throughout the world.
Speaker 1: And it's.
Speaker 3: You know, he was Rice.
Speaker 1: Well, Walter, yes, that's still the plan today.
Speaker 3: Well, very much so. I mean you can see it
Speaker 3: happening in our country now that it doesn't happen like
Speaker 3: in an aggressive onslought it happens in drims and drags,
Speaker 3: and you get you just get a little bit, a
Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit mixing. You know. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's it's taken a foothold.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now, there were there were many people in the
Speaker 3: United States at the time Kennedy was president who thought
Speaker 3: he was a communist, that anyone who tried to normalize
Speaker 3: relations with Russia or China, which he was willing to do,
Speaker 3: considered a communist. And certainly the missile crisis, well, who
Speaker 3: considered his greatest moment. Uh, there were those at the
Speaker 3: time who looked at it and said, what are you doing.
Speaker 3: You're you're agreeing to take missiles out of Turkey and
Speaker 3: then a unilateral unilaterally took them out of Italy at
Speaker 3: the same time, and and you agreed with that with
Speaker 3: the Castro's uh, or you agreed to never invade Cuba again.
Speaker 3: So uh, but that's that. It was throughout his entire presidency,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean.
Speaker 3: He was blamed that the Bay of Pigs are not
Speaker 3: allowing air sure, right, so and Vietnam of course, as
Speaker 3: you mentioned, so so yeah.
Speaker 1: Well real quickly, my time is now limited because I
Speaker 1: probably stumbled around with too long a question, Walter, But
Speaker 1: the final question is what role did Lee Harvey Oswald
Speaker 1: play involved?
Speaker 3: He didn't shoot anyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Period. The evidence we have, if you take it, we
Speaker 3: have people on the street sort of two people up
Speaker 3: on the sixth floor, while we know Lee Harvey Oswold
Speaker 3: was on the first floor eating lunch. And one of
Speaker 3: the reasons that there was a person who had an
Speaker 3: epileptic fit on the curb at in front of the
Speaker 3: Texas school Book Depository.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when they asked some of these witnesses, when when
Speaker 3: did you see these two people? And they said that
Speaker 3: when that person was being treated by an ambulance.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And they heard the broadcast over the ambulances radio saying
Speaker 3: that the limo was approaching daily play at such and
Speaker 3: such a street, so they could narrow exactly what time
Speaker 3: it was. Well, they knew at that time there's two
Speaker 3: they're seeing two people upstairs and Oswald's downstairs.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Walter Herps, the author of Last Resort, Beyond Last Resort,
Speaker 1: the JFK assassination, the need to protect West Berlin, and
Speaker 1: why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Thank you
Speaker 1: for your time. Sir, fascinating.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having Gary. Thanks very much for having me.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You bet the Nightcap rolls on in minutes, joining us
Speaker 1: in this half hour of the night. Is the associate
Speaker 1: director of the Epstein Justice dot Com. He has an
Speaker 1: extensive background in the US Air Force as a trainer, journalist,
Speaker 1: adults educator. Also served as an executive officer for the
Speaker 1: Continental Norad Region Air Operations Center as a liaison between
Speaker 1: the Secretary of the Air Force and US Senate appropriators.
Speaker 1: His name is Peter Shin. Epstein justice is our topic,
Speaker 1: and boy, there's been a lot of movement in the
Speaker 1: Epstein case and the files just in the last day
Speaker 1: or so. Peter Shin, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm well, Gary, Jeff thanks for having me, and you're right,
Speaker 6: it's been a busy weekend in terms of action on
Speaker 6: the Hill, certainly related to Jeffrey Epstein and all of
Speaker 6: the files associated with his investigation, the investigations that have
Speaker 6: been done into him.
Speaker 1: Well more importantly, even more importantly, perhaps seeing the writing
Speaker 1: on the wall, the President has done on one to
Speaker 1: eighty on what he thinks of the importance of the
Speaker 1: release of the Epstein files and has said, yes, they
Speaker 1: should all be released. That happened yesterday.
Speaker 6: It certainly did, and it's a welcome development and one
Speaker 6: which I am delighted to see. And I think all
Speaker 6: right thinking Americans agree with the President that there's no
Speaker 6: reason that these files should be kept under lock and key.
Speaker 6: Let's put this information out into the public domain and
Speaker 6: then maybe we can get some answers to some of
Speaker 6: the questions to which we've been seeking for a long time.
Speaker 6: So from my standpoint, the President did the right thing.
Speaker 6: And maybe it's just a political thing, but I don't
Speaker 6: think so. Look, there's been no evidence that's surface that
Speaker 6: has linked President Trump to any of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes,
Speaker 6: other than perhaps some background knowledge of them. And maybe
Speaker 6: that's enough for some to say that President Trump ought
Speaker 6: to be thrown out whole sale. But from my standpoint,
Speaker 6: the reality is that President Trump is now in a
Speaker 6: position to do what I think he's always wanted to do,
Speaker 6: which is factually put to rest any of the claims
Speaker 6: that he and Jeffrey Epstein were committed any crimes together,
Speaker 6: and I don't think there's any evidence of that, and
Speaker 6: I think President Trump knowing that himself finally relented. I mean, look,
Speaker 6: the guy does not like to have his back pushed
Speaker 6: against the wall, and that's what this discharge peedition was doing.
Speaker 6: It was pushing his back against the wall. He doesn't
Speaker 6: like that, so it's not surprising that he reflexively opposed it.
Speaker 6: But upon thinking about it, the President, a wise man
Speaker 6: in many ways, especially politically, realized that this issue was
Speaker 6: not going to be a winner for him and he
Speaker 6: needed to get on board, and he wisely did so.
Speaker 6: So I praised President Trump for his decision and think
Speaker 6: it's only a matter of common sense.
Speaker 1: My congressman happens to be Thomas Massey of the fourth
Speaker 1: District in an House of Representatives, who famously has opposed
Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill the President has called out for
Speaker 1: primary ing, and Thomas Massey is the man who pushed
Speaker 1: the petition in Congress to get these released and what
Speaker 1: has led. He's the one leading the charge. A Republican
Speaker 1: and a very conservative guy, and does somebody that I'm
Speaker 1: proud to say I voted for, but often has been
Speaker 1: in really in the big picture, he votes with Trump
Speaker 1: and the Republicans ninety one percent of the time, but
Speaker 1: then these small issues that are amplified because of Trump's
Speaker 1: designated importance, like the Big Beautiful Bill. He differed with
Speaker 1: the President, and now he's been a part of this
Speaker 1: drive in Congress in the House to release these files,
Speaker 1: and he was successful.
Speaker 6: Ultimately well and because ultimately it's about a lot more
Speaker 6: than just politics here. Yes, as you know, you know
Speaker 6: reality and the reality is that.
Speaker 4: And this is why we at.
Speaker 6: Epstein Justice dot Com are pushing so hard for transparency
Speaker 6: in this matter is because at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: it's really not about politics. It's about one ensuring that
Speaker 6: people who have been victimized by this person, who everyone
Speaker 6: agrees is perhaps one of the greatest monsters to ever
Speaker 6: emerge from American life, that the victims of this monster
Speaker 6: actually get some measure of justice.
Speaker 4: And that's really what it boils down to.
Speaker 6: And even if that justice doesn't amount to criminal convictions
Speaker 6: for others, the least it could be is public humiliation
Speaker 6: and the public exposure of those who were involved in
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's too late.
Speaker 6: To actually put people in jail, but it's certainly not
Speaker 6: too late for people to be exposed as the creeds
Speaker 6: and monsters that they were and are.
Speaker 1: Of all the conspiracy surrounding Jeffrey Epstein is life and
Speaker 1: his death, his crimes and the aftermath, what do you
Speaker 1: make of the people who you conspiracize. I'm a grammarian.
Speaker 1: I just made that up. I think conspiracize that Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein didn't die in the prison cell, that he's actually
Speaker 1: been whisked away somewhere because he's a CIA CI and
Speaker 1: he's an informant, and you know, all of these other things,
Speaker 1: and the fact that President Trump may have been a
Speaker 1: CIA informant at one time, and the dog that hasn't barked?
Speaker 1: What do you make of all the conspiracies? Is the
Speaker 1: release of these files finally going to put an end
Speaker 1: put to bed these conspiracies or is it going to
Speaker 1: in your opinion, is it going to spark even more Peter?
Speaker 4: In my opinion, it will put it to bed.
Speaker 6: And the real issue that needs to be put to
Speaker 6: bed more than any other Gary Jeff is not whether
Speaker 6: or not in Trump for whether any specific person was
Speaker 6: involved in these crimes. The real question is was a
Speaker 6: foreign government intelligence agency behind Jeffrey Epstein and what appears
Speaker 6: to a casual observer to be a sophisticated honeypot operation
Speaker 6: in which he would have underage girls available to people
Speaker 6: who expressed an interest in such.
Speaker 4: A thing and then filmed them.
Speaker 6: Because we all know, or perhaps maybe your listeners don't know,
Speaker 6: but anybody who's familiar with this case knows that all
Speaker 6: of Epstein's many properties were literally wired for sound and video,
Speaker 6: so that he captured literally hundreds of gigabytes of files
Speaker 6: of people interacting with the people that he was trafficking,
Speaker 6: and those files are in the possession of the FBI.
Speaker 6: Hundreds of gigabytes of surveillance from Jeffrey that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 6: himself commissioned on his own properties. That surveillance is in
Speaker 6: the hands of the FBI. That ought to be released,
Speaker 6: obviously with appropriate protections for victims. But there is absolutely
Speaker 6: no reason why the surveillance materials that Jeffrey Epstein himself
Speaker 6: elected should not be put into the public domain.
Speaker 1: It's not a big surprise that the British Royal monarchy,
Speaker 1: for example, has pretty much excommunicated Prince Andrew, who was
Speaker 1: implicated in some video and has been created in the
Speaker 1: past as one of Epstein's biggest clients. You talk about
Speaker 1: people in other countries, in foreign countries being involved, and
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that somehow because of diplomacy, diplomatic reasons,
Speaker 1: the reason that Trump was perhaps shy about the release
Speaker 1: of all the information because it may hurt us politically
Speaker 1: with people we're trying to make deals with.
Speaker 6: I think that that's probably true. But on the other hand,
Speaker 6: how is that actually more important than finding out whether
Speaker 6: or not our political system has been compromised by a
Speaker 6: foreign intelligence honeypon operation, which is what we could be
Speaker 6: talking about. I don't know if we're talking about that,
Speaker 6: And that's really what it boils down to. We talk
Speaker 6: about conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, but what that really
Speaker 6: means is honest people with legitimate questions that haven't been
Speaker 6: answered because we don't have the information because powerful people
Speaker 6: don't want it out there because they don't want to
Speaker 6: be embarrassed.
Speaker 4: It really does.
Speaker 6: It's not much more complicated than that. This is really
Speaker 6: a story about powerful people trying to avoid being embarrassed publicly,
Speaker 6: like Prince Andrew. And what has Prince Andrew really suffered? Oh,
Speaker 6: he has to move from one luxurious set of quarters
Speaker 6: to another luxurious set of quarters. He's no longer able
Speaker 6: to be called his Royal Highness. Oh geez, what a
Speaker 6: pity for the ex Prince. No, he faced no real
Speaker 6: consequences for his behavior, and that's really what the problem
Speaker 6: is here, Gary jeff I think for the average American
Speaker 6: is that there's been zero accountability for any of Epstein's crimes,
Speaker 6: and now we can't have accountability from Epstein. Maxwell is
Speaker 6: in for some reason, getting some kind of cushy treatment
Speaker 6: in the least severe federal prison that you can.
Speaker 3: Be sent to.
Speaker 6: And so there's just a sense that, like so much
Speaker 6: else in American life over the past twenty thirty years,
Speaker 6: that there's simply no accountability for people, especially wealthy people,
Speaker 6: who appear to be.
Speaker 4: Able to do whatever they want and get away with it.
Speaker 1: That's all part of the continuing class war. Really, Petershin,
Speaker 1: if you will indulge me, hang on for one moment
Speaker 1: or two, we'll take a break and come back and
Speaker 1: wrap this up. Peter Shin as our guest from the
Speaker 1: Epstein Justice dot com. And it looks it looks like
Speaker 1: we're closer and closer to getting some justice and some answers.
Speaker 1: It's the nightcap, and we'll be right back on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 1: Our discussion is with Peter Schinn for the next few
Speaker 1: minutes from Epstein Justice dot com. He is the associate
Speaker 1: director thereof And Peter, I understand, just off topic for
Speaker 1: a moment, you have a quite an extensive career in broadcasting,
Speaker 1: which almost fascinates me. I've been in this business now
Speaker 1: for longer than I want to mention, forty five years,
Speaker 1: and you were actually in farm broadcasting. Tell me about that,
Speaker 1: just for a minute or two.
Speaker 6: Well, sure, I was an agricultural broadcaster. I got into
Speaker 6: that kind of role by accident. I answered an ad
Speaker 6: in a newspaper that's a true story about in nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety six, and they were looking at the time for
Speaker 6: a part time farm assistant. And I didn't know anything
Speaker 6: really about production agriculture. I'd spent some time working in
Speaker 6: the fields as a kid in New Mexico and in Ohio,
Speaker 6: but I certainly never run a farm. But what I
Speaker 6: found out is that agriculture is an absolutely fascinating industry,
Speaker 6: and of course it's one that is absolutely vital to
Speaker 6: this nation because without a farmer, you don't need and
Speaker 6: so I really enjoyed that aspect of my life. But
Speaker 6: I was also an Air Force Air National guardsman, and
Speaker 6: so I had an opportunity at a certain point to
Speaker 6: leave my career in farm broadcasting to go return to
Speaker 6: active duty. And that's ultimately what I chose to do.
Speaker 1: Oh God bless you. You know, you were a farm broadcaster,
Speaker 1: agricultural broadcaster in Iowa, which is my birth state, and
Speaker 1: I come from farm stock, although I never picked up
Speaker 1: the plow myself, so that kind of is near and
Speaker 1: dear to my heart. In two thousand and eight, you
Speaker 1: are selected to provide leadership, communications, problem solving, and critical
Speaker 1: thinking skills which sometimes are sadly lacking in our society
Speaker 1: for various reasons today at the US Air Force Officer
Speaker 1: Training School. And then you deployed to the Iowa National Guard, right.
Speaker 4: Well something like that. You know, it's a complicated.
Speaker 6: Our military is more complicated than most people imagine, right.
Speaker 4: So we have an active duty component, we have an.
Speaker 6: Air National Guard component, or are a national guard component
Speaker 6: Army and air, and we also have a reserve component,
Speaker 6: at least many of the services do. And so if
Speaker 6: you're a service member and you're on active duty, that
Speaker 6: means one thing. If you're in the reserves, that means another.
Speaker 6: And so really what happened was I was in the
Speaker 6: Iowa National Guard and then I got a chance to
Speaker 6: go on active duty. Now I'm still affiliated with the
Speaker 6: Iowa National Guard, but now I'm in the Air National
Speaker 6: Guard of the United States, operating under Title ten, which
Speaker 6: is all complicated, and what it really means is that, hey,
Speaker 6: you've been put on active duty, but you're still in
Speaker 6: the Guard. You're not a regular Air Force member. So
Speaker 6: there are these kind of administrative nuances that really don't
Speaker 6: mean anything. At the end of the day, you're still
Speaker 6: on active duty, you're still wearing the uniform, You're STI
Speaker 6: getting a chat.
Speaker 4: But I was never disaffiliated with the.
Speaker 6: Iowa National Guard, if that makes sense. But what happened was, yeah,
Speaker 6: I went back I trained officer candidates. The Iowa Guard
Speaker 6: called me up and said, hey, look, we got a
Speaker 6: big army deployment and we have a public affairs position
Speaker 6: that we need somebody to take with this little tiny
Speaker 6: agribusiness unit that's going to Afghanistan.
Speaker 4: Would you be interested?
Speaker 6: And I said, well, I've never been a public affairs officer,
Speaker 6: but I know a lot about agricultural and broadcasting, and
Speaker 6: I know how important this.
Speaker 4: Mission is and I'd be happy to do it.
Speaker 6: And so I went and interviewed with the Army six
Speaker 6: who was running the mission, the Agribusiness Development Team, and
Speaker 6: I convinced him that I could do the job, and
Speaker 6: so he brought me along and that's how it went.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get back to Epstein Justice for just a moment.
Speaker 1: The victims themselves. Is there any idea how many there
Speaker 1: may be, and how many may still be alive? And
Speaker 1: how would they be made whole by the release of
Speaker 1: this information?
Speaker 6: These are good questions. I will tell you that the
Speaker 6: Department of Justice estimates Jeffrey Epstein's victims to number more
Speaker 6: than a thousand. Now that's apporting to the Department of Justice,
Speaker 6: and I believe that to be a roughly accurate figure.
Speaker 6: We're talking about hundreds and hundreds potentially of children and
Speaker 6: also some young adults who were harmed very seriously by
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein and Galaine Maxwell and their associates. How would
Speaker 6: the release of this information help make victims whole? Well,
Speaker 6: first of all, it might help them feel as if
Speaker 6: the federal government was actually interested in justice for them,
Speaker 6: and it is less interested in.
Speaker 4: Covering it up.
Speaker 6: That might be one way in which they might feel
Speaker 6: less like victims and more like people who are supported
Speaker 6: by their own government. That would be one critical factor
Speaker 6: that I think would be very helpful to victims.
Speaker 4: And it's worth noting Gary Jeff.
Speaker 6: That Epstein victims themselves are calling for the release of
Speaker 6: this information, and they're calling for it because of the
Speaker 6: very reasons that I've said, How can they possibly get
Speaker 6: any kind of closure when, in fact, the reason that
Speaker 6: alex Acosta in testimony before the House Oversight Committee, and
Speaker 6: alex Acosta is the one time US attorney and current
Speaker 6: director of Newsmax who made the agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's
Speaker 6: attorneys that allowed Jeffrey Epstein to go essentially unpunished for
Speaker 6: a child sex trafficking network that the Palm Beach Police
Speaker 6: had him dead the rights to well, alex Acosta made
Speaker 6: the deal.
Speaker 4: That let him basically walk free, right, and.
Speaker 6: And what alex Aposta has said is that the reason
Speaker 6: we didn't prosecute him is because the.
Speaker 4: Victims are liars. That's what he said.
Speaker 6: We didn't believe them, we didn't believe they could testify effectively, we.
Speaker 4: Didn't believe the victims. That's what alex Acosta has testified to. Well,
Speaker 4: if we.
Speaker 6: Get this information out there, maybe, just maybe we might
Speaker 6: believe the victims in this case. And the thing is
Speaker 6: that this is the thing Gary Jeff. The American people
Speaker 6: all ready do believe the victims. It's just that the
Speaker 6: huge problem that we have in the country is that,
Speaker 6: for reasons unclear, the federal government to this point, and
Speaker 6: specifically the executive branch, have not been willing to comply
Speaker 6: with the will of the American people to disclose this
Speaker 6: information up until now. President Trump let the effort to
Speaker 6: propose it. Now he says, let's get it out there,
Speaker 6: and I say, yes, President Trump, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, hasn't even been in office a whole year.
Speaker 1: He's accomplished all whole lot in less than a year
Speaker 1: as president. And this will be added to those kudos
Speaker 1: if it all goes as planned and we get this
Speaker 1: you know, this closure, whatever that may mean for whomever. Epstein.
Speaker 1: Justice dot Com is the website and the place where
Speaker 1: you can find more of the work that Peter Shin
Speaker 1: and his group of folks who care about the victims
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and want Justice are doing and you
Speaker 1: can find out more there anything else real quickly to add.
Speaker 6: Peter, well, I know this is a crass, but you
Speaker 6: know we're a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. We're not interested in
Speaker 6: taking political sides on this. We just think it's the
Speaker 6: right thing to do for everybody. But we could use money,
Speaker 6: so if you'd like to donate, we'd welcome that too.
Speaker 1: All Right, fantastic, thanks for your time tonight.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Gary, Jeffin always good to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, Sir Peter Shin Epstein Justice dot Com. Just afternoons
Speaker 1: a man who has spent extensive time in Ukraine and
Speaker 1: is going back again. We'll find out why and we'll
Speaker 1: find about his connections to this country. Doctor Jim Waite
Speaker 1: is next on the Nightcap into yet another hour of
Speaker 1: this Nightcap on Monday, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Our
Speaker 1: next guest is a guy that I had the pleasure
Speaker 1: of meeting several years ago. He was an acquaintance of
Speaker 1: someone that came into the bar while I was bartending,
Speaker 1: late the late Jim Sawyer or saw Bones, and we
Speaker 1: both knew him as quite the character. But he introduced
Speaker 1: me to doctor Jim Waite at that time, and he
Speaker 1: had been on this program in the past. It's been
Speaker 1: a few years, but he popped back up at the
Speaker 1: bar last week and I said, you know, we're doing
Speaker 1: another conversation on the radio on my show, Jim, what
Speaker 1: do you think? And he was agreeable to that. And
Speaker 1: he has a lot to report back from Ukraine and
Speaker 1: he is going back to Ukraine tomorrow to continue the
Speaker 1: work that he has been doing there over a span
Speaker 1: of several years. He is the head of Laser Care
Speaker 1: of Northern Kentucky. With Laser Care of Northern Kentucky, his
Speaker 1: history was as a dentist. He quit the dentistry finally,
Speaker 1: and he is doing fine work now for people with
Speaker 1: no downtime, no surgery, for all kinds of melodies that
Speaker 1: affect many of us. And it's great to have him
Speaker 1: on the show once again. Doctor Jim Waite, how are.
Speaker 4: You hey, I'm great, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Ye know, the first time that we ever talked, you
Speaker 1: talked to me about you were headed to Ukraine because
Speaker 1: your wife was from Ukraine. She was working with family
Speaker 1: there and kind of stuck and you were making multiple
Speaker 1: trips to Ukraine as a result of that, and it
Speaker 1: became your second home country. Basically, you talked about the
Speaker 1: corruption in politics. You know, you think that we're rife
Speaker 1: with corruption in this country, and we are, but nothing
Speaker 1: like what happened or has happened in Ukraine over the years.
Speaker 1: And then President President Zelenski got a rude wake up
Speaker 1: call when President Putin of Russia decided that he wanted
Speaker 1: Ukraine back for Mother Russia. And we're in the middle
Speaker 1: of this, embroiled in this awful war of aggression by
Speaker 1: Russia and the Ukrainians right and ability to defend themselves,
Speaker 1: and he's been right there watching it all happen in
Speaker 1: real time. So number one, doctor Waite, is is this
Speaker 1: a winnable war by Ukraine from the standpoint of driving
Speaker 1: the Russians out?
Speaker 3: Do you think?
Speaker 4: Well, if you remember back when we talked and Putin
Speaker 4: was massing troops, I said he wouldn't have I said
Speaker 4: he won't invade because I know the Ukrainians and there's
Speaker 4: just gonna be a lot of dead Russians. Well, he invaded,
Speaker 4: and now there's a lot of dead Russians. And I
Speaker 4: just read another a blog in a Russian blog today
Speaker 4: from a guy named Strelkov igor Gerkin. He's the guy
Speaker 4: that led the whole thing in twenty fourteen when they
Speaker 4: first took over to don Bass in Crimea. And he's
Speaker 4: just going off on how they just they have to
Speaker 4: totally dismantle Ukraine and split it up between Poland and
Speaker 4: Romania and Hungary and then take what they want. So
Speaker 4: the Russians are, you know, full bore all in on this.
Speaker 4: The Ukrainians, I don't know that they can win, but
Speaker 4: the Russians certainly aren't. They're losing tons of people. And
Speaker 4: I told you the story about the one soldier I
Speaker 4: know that's thirty two, and he was telling about being
Speaker 4: at Bakhmut and he had seven guys in his group
Speaker 4: and another five guys defending a strong point and just
Speaker 4: as like you and I are talking or we're talking
Speaker 4: the bar or something, and he said, yeah, the Russians
Speaker 4: had started coming and we'd start killing them, and then
Speaker 4: they'd come again and we'd kill some more, and we
Speaker 4: might kill five hundred in a day. Wow, just kind
Speaker 4: of like that.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, the great, the great tell the great
Speaker 1: story You told me about the guy who was he
Speaker 1: now he was off duty and you asked him if
Speaker 1: he would re up.
Speaker 4: And what did he say? Yeah? What did he say? Well, yeah,
Speaker 4: he actually saved his own life with a thing called
Speaker 4: a sick tournament tournique si ch it's a Kassack word.
Speaker 4: And then the people that I worked with rehabbed his
Speaker 4: arm to ninety five percent used when the doctors said
Speaker 4: he'd never use it again. But he's finally discharged, but
Speaker 4: he said, I'm signing back up when we go to Moscow. So,
Speaker 4: you know, great expectations. You can't imagine how much people
Speaker 4: hate the Russians and these were their brothers, you know,
Speaker 4: they all get family and people in Russia. The one
Speaker 4: girl that moved here that had run the orphanage outside
Speaker 4: of Kiev when they were shelling her village, Shiv out
Speaker 4: of Patrisk and she talked to her family in Leningrad,
Speaker 4: Leningrad Saint Petersburg and they said, Natalia, we're coming to
Speaker 4: rescue you. And she says, what do you mean, We're
Speaker 4: coming to rescue you from the Nazis and the fact
Speaker 4: and she said, if you want to rescue me, stop
Speaker 4: shelling me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, And what is life like on what
Speaker 1: is life like on the ground for the people in
Speaker 1: Ukraine where you.
Speaker 4: Are all in Kiev, it's almost normal until there's an
Speaker 4: air raid or a blackout. Now, a year ago when
Speaker 4: I was there, there was a blackout almost every day,
Speaker 4: and most of them were scheduled because they were doing
Speaker 4: repair work from bombings and so they you know, he
Speaker 4: had have a four hours in some cases you'd have
Speaker 4: to a day, and they were scheduled. And then now then,
Speaker 4: until just the last couple of weeks, the Russians hadn't
Speaker 4: affected the electrical grid, and even then things were pretty
Speaker 4: much normal. All the restaurants bought generators and had them
Speaker 4: sitting on the sidewalk, and if there was a black out,
Speaker 4: they turned the generator on and people kept eating. So
Speaker 4: it was, you know, for intents and purpose as it
Speaker 4: was pretty normal.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's been a lot, a lot of
Speaker 1: destruction in the eastern part of the country. Obviously they're
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 4: Brick on a brick, yeah, it's it's and they've destroyed
Speaker 4: the water canals. They've started destroyed the water pipes the Russians.
Speaker 4: Where the Russians have taken over in Donetsk, they're having
Speaker 4: to bring in water trucks. People go without water, they're
Speaker 4: going to be without heat in some cases, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be it's a true disaster. And the Russians they're just brutal,
Speaker 4: and they're brutal to their own people, and they don't
Speaker 4: really take care of the citizenry.
Speaker 1: Well, you also told me that the Russian army is
Speaker 1: not compro comprised of people from Moscow or St. Petersburg.
Speaker 1: It's from all the various regions that Russia has taken over.
Speaker 1: And there are Muslims and there are other groups of
Speaker 1: people just being thrown in like like cannon fodder by Putin.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, a lot of doorats from which are Buddhists
Speaker 4: from out around like the Call, and then others, and
Speaker 4: then you get the Muslims, and then you get you know,
Speaker 4: they got like one hundred and twenty nationalities and languages
Speaker 4: and things, and and so the actual Moscow people casualties
Speaker 4: are like less than one ten to one percent, and
Speaker 4: they all pretty much exempt themselves. And then what they
Speaker 4: do is they offer these huge bonuses for signing up.
Speaker 4: They got seventy year old guys signing up. Now, guys
Speaker 4: that they're walking with a cane and they're figuring, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm going to set my family up. I'm going to
Speaker 4: get this big bonus. And then what they find out
Speaker 4: is they steal your money and it's on an EVT
Speaker 4: card and they steal them. The commanders steal the money,
Speaker 4: and then when you're dead, they don't collect the bodies,
Speaker 4: and so there's no benefit. We don't know what happened
Speaker 4: the poor old Igor, you know, so we can't pay you.
Speaker 1: So they're lying. They're lying to them to get more
Speaker 1: bodies to throw into the meat grinder at the Ukrainians.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now they're playing paying police and other people
Speaker 4: recruitment bonuses. So they're going and getting alcoholics and all
Speaker 4: kinds of guys off the street and they thing you
Speaker 4: pass out on the street and they thing, you know,
Speaker 4: you're in the army. But that's where they're fighting with now.
Speaker 4: And the other thing is the commanders capture places on
Speaker 4: what they call captured on credit. They send the guy
Speaker 4: out with a flag, he plants the flag, they take
Speaker 4: a picture, they report that they captured this village and
Speaker 4: they get a bonus. Well, once the Ukrainians see that published,
Speaker 4: well now you have to take it. So the Ukrainians
Speaker 4: bulk it up, and now you're really get casualties because
Speaker 4: you have to take it.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think the casualty rate
Speaker 1: is you're talking about all of the dead Russians. Uh,
Speaker 1: Are there equal casualties on on the Ukrainian side?
Speaker 4: Kim, No, No, it's maybe one third to one fourth
Speaker 4: on the Ukrainian side.
Speaker 1: That can't be.
Speaker 4: That can't really, they're still really high.
Speaker 1: That can't be good for Putin ultimately with the Russian people, can't.
Speaker 3: You You would think so.
Speaker 4: But you know, there's nobody better at suffering than the Russians.
Speaker 4: They got a real, uh, real knack for suffering. You know,
Speaker 4: you see those commercials on TV of the grandmothers and
Speaker 4: the really horrible conditions and and raising money for him,
Speaker 4: and and you go throughout Ukraine and Russia and those
Speaker 4: places are real. You go in almost any village outside
Speaker 4: of a city and you know you've got some like that.
Speaker 4: So these are hard people, both were Ukrainians and Russians.
Speaker 4: You know, I told you the story of the grandfather
Speaker 4: that was living in his basement and the Russians are
Speaker 4: coming and the Ukrainians are pleading with him to leave
Speaker 4: and he says, I'm not leaving and they go that disco.
Speaker 4: The Russians will come and kill you. And he says
Speaker 4: if they kill me, they'll know they killed the Ukrainian.
Speaker 1: In other words, he's ready to fight to his last
Speaker 1: breath to defend us home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll go down with the ship, but we're taking
Speaker 4: a bunch of them with us.
Speaker 1: Talking to doctor Jim Waite on the Nightcap, who was
Speaker 1: heading back to Ukraine tomorrow, we'll talk about some of
Speaker 1: the work he has been doing there with all of
Speaker 1: the casualties and the wounds that are happening and do
Speaker 1: happen in battle. And there's a new technique that is
Speaker 1: being used that's been around for a long time. But
Speaker 1: maybe American doctors could take a page out of the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian playbook when it comes to what we're going to
Speaker 1: speak of next. Doctor Jim Wait with us on the
Speaker 1: nightcap back in a moment. We are talking to doctor
Speaker 1: Jim Wait. He's from northern Kentucky and is headed back
Speaker 1: to is the second home country, Ukraine tomorrow. Doctor Jim, Uh,
Speaker 1: there is a technique that you told me has been
Speaker 1: used in dentistry, Uh for implants and the like, but
Speaker 1: not in medical surgery for wounds. And you guys are
Speaker 1: successfully using in Ukraine from for folks coming off the
Speaker 1: battlefield and the wounds there. It's called p r F or.
Speaker 4: Light yeah richt okay, And and what.
Speaker 1: What is this and why is it so crucial, especially
Speaker 1: in a war zone or where people are treating these
Speaker 1: these wounds trying to save limbs and the like. What
Speaker 1: makes it so special?
Speaker 4: Well, people might be familiar with platelet rich plasma, which
Speaker 4: major League pictures and people have been injecting in their
Speaker 4: elbows for a long time. But the platelet rich plasma
Speaker 4: has an antiquigulant, and so you draw the patient's blood,
Speaker 4: you put in the antiquagulant to keep it liquid. But
Speaker 4: because it doesn't clot, it only lasts a couple of
Speaker 4: days if you leave the fiber and it will clot eventually,
Speaker 4: and then we get an effect for up to fourteen days,
Speaker 4: and then there's another way we can extend it to
Speaker 4: even four to six months. So what happens is this
Speaker 4: fibrin traps platelets and white blood cells and other healing
Speaker 4: elements and proteins and different things, and then it slowly
Speaker 4: releases them kind of like a drip irrigation to a plant.
Speaker 4: For fourteen days, you're getting this drip irrigation of all
Speaker 4: your stuff, and it's highly concentrated. So imagine taking everything
Speaker 4: that God gave your body to heal with and concentrating
Speaker 4: it by a factor of four and then being able
Speaker 4: to inject it or put it right where you want
Speaker 4: it to be to promote healing. So it's really great stuff.
Speaker 4: The drawback to it is because there's no anticoagulants. You
Speaker 4: have to draw the blood and get it into a
Speaker 4: centrifuge in ninety seconds, and that's the drawback why it's
Speaker 4: one of the big drawbacks why it isn't used much
Speaker 4: in medicine. In a dental office, you know, you've got
Speaker 4: a small office, you can walk across the office and
Speaker 4: put it in a centrifuge, And for dentists that are
Speaker 4: doing implants or periosurgery or those kinds of things, it's
Speaker 4: like the best insurance ever. You get great healing and
Speaker 4: it costs five dollars. You know, you've got a couple
Speaker 4: of test tubes and a collection kit, and then you
Speaker 4: got some special centrifuge and some other things. But for
Speaker 4: sports injuries joints injecting joints. Doctor Robert Tallick in Houston.
Speaker 4: He came to the dental conferences from doctor Rick Myron
Speaker 4: is the guy that did most of the research and
Speaker 4: pioneered this when he was in burn, Switzerland, and he's
Speaker 4: been in Florida teaching it for about five years now.
Speaker 4: And doctor Tallick went into the dental conferences, didn't tell
Speaker 4: anybody he was an MD. And he's just been named
Speaker 4: orthopedic to the Olympic team. And I've talked to him
Speaker 4: a number of times and he said he's reduced his
Speaker 4: surgeries by eighty percent using injections. So if you look
Speaker 4: at war wounds, they're always dirty. There's sometimes there's missing tissue.
Speaker 4: You can't sew them back together. Sometimes you don't want
Speaker 4: us so stitch them back together. So you can actually
Speaker 4: make membranes, or you can do injections of affected areas
Speaker 4: with the plateletd rich fibrin and it's up healing and
Speaker 4: then also has an antibacterial effects. So it's just great
Speaker 4: stuff and it's easy to use, and it's the patient's
Speaker 4: own blood. You don't have to worry about any kind
Speaker 4: of reactions or any other things. So that's what we're
Speaker 4: teaching over there, and they've been very they've been very
Speaker 4: good at picking up on it and finding ways to
Speaker 4: use it. And I'm like, hey, guys, I don't know
Speaker 4: what you did your orthopedic. I'm a dentist. I don't
Speaker 4: you know. Tell me. I can tell you all about PRF,
Speaker 4: but you're going to have to tell me how you
Speaker 4: use it. Well, that mean great work.
Speaker 1: If more surgeons in this country could adopt that, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't cost much to put a centrifuge within walking distance
Speaker 1: of where they draw the blood for the patient. Maybe
Speaker 1: the problem is it only costs five dollars and the
Speaker 1: insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to get great
Speaker 1: big kickbacks and make a lot of money off it.
Speaker 1: Is that is that really the issue?
Speaker 4: Well, that could be part of it. Nobody it had.
Speaker 4: It's an orphan in that sense, it has no uh
Speaker 4: you know, parent to push it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Now that if you look at the website that I
Speaker 4: have Tubes for Life dot o RG all one word
Speaker 4: Tubes for Life, there's about five results on there and
Speaker 4: they're all wound healing results with most of them are
Speaker 4: diabetics or with toes. So the people that are having
Speaker 4: having amputations and things, there's these pictures that are right
Speaker 4: there on the on the website of people that were
Speaker 4: scheduled for amputations and they're healed. They don't need an amputation.
Speaker 4: They just needed some some treatment more than what they
Speaker 4: were getting.
Speaker 3: So it's.
Speaker 4: And for you know, for whatever reason. Uh you know, uh,
Speaker 4: the dentists know it, like I said, because anything you do,
Speaker 4: if you're doing any kind of surgery, you look great,
Speaker 4: man healed. Yeah, you know, it's like the best insurance
Speaker 4: policy ever for five bucks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you were showing me pictures of these gravy
Speaker 1: sucking wounds on people's bodies, on their feet and on
Speaker 1: their hands and on their toes, and then the progression
Speaker 1: of the healing is just amazing. With a simple injection.
Speaker 4: Some people, yeah, some people are on in some cases
Speaker 4: making a membrane and just laying the membrane over it.
Speaker 4: As if you take the liquid PRF and you put
Speaker 4: it in a form or just a tray with a
Speaker 4: form and let it set for fifteen minutes, it'll form,
Speaker 4: it'll it will clot eventually, and you have this really
Speaker 4: nice membrane that you can take out and just lay
Speaker 4: over the wound.
Speaker 1: And it becomes healthy human skin again. Ultimately. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing.
Speaker 4: It truly is. And in the joints the I work
Speaker 4: with the Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics in Kiev and
Speaker 4: they've had tremendous results injecting joints. So where you were
Speaker 4: so where you might be injecting joints with steroids, they're
Speaker 4: injecting them with t r.
Speaker 1: F Tubes for Life dot org t U b E
Speaker 1: s F O R L I f E dot org,
Speaker 1: where you can see the pictures and see the results
Speaker 1: of this incredible PRF therapy that doctor Jim Wade is
Speaker 1: now doing in Ukraine with the Orthopedics and and helping
Speaker 1: people fresh off the battlefield in that wartim country. I
Speaker 1: wish you godspeed and come back to us safe and
Speaker 1: and I hope you'll be able to phone in an
Speaker 1: update soon. But are time's done tonight?
Speaker 4: Doc? Well, we may have a you may have an
Speaker 4: international correspondent. How's that?
Speaker 1: That would be awesome, That would be awesome. We'll work
Speaker 1: it out DOT to Jim Waite of Again Laser Care
Speaker 1: of Northern Kentucky and Tubes Forlife dot org on his
Speaker 1: way back to Ukraine to help in a time of
Speaker 1: trauma and war. Wow, the wild Man is coming up
Speaker 1: next round and third heading for home. As the old
Speaker 1: left hander used to say. Only I'm not the old
Speaker 1: left hander, and he's not Marty Brenneman. He's the wild Man.
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Walker with you as we close out this
Speaker 1: Monday night cap. It's time for the wild Man's Corner
Speaker 1: of Goo. The Goo continues through a horrible Bengals season,
Speaker 1: and but there are other things to discuss, and we're
Speaker 1: going to discuss other things for a moment first tonight.
Speaker 1: Hello wild Man, how are you.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. I'm doing great.
Speaker 7: I'm in a good mood.
Speaker 4: I'm in a good mood.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well we'll find out what that's all about
Speaker 1: here in just a second. I guess we were talking
Speaker 1: last week about the Reds Hall of Fame and how
Speaker 1: the choices that we were given were number one, way
Speaker 1: too extensive and did not include and maybe he should
Speaker 1: have included some people in particular, and one of those
Speaker 1: people was the long serving clubhouse manager Bernie Stowe. Well
Speaker 1: you sent me this today. He's been honored in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five in the MLB Clubhouse Manager's Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Why is he not in the Reds Hall of Fame?
Speaker 4: Wild Man, Well, that's a very good question, Gary Jeff.
Speaker 7: This goes back to when Marty Brenahan was inducted into
Speaker 7: the Baseball Hall of Fame and wasn't inducted into the
Speaker 7: Reds Hall of Fame, and then eventually was Bernie can't
Speaker 7: be nominated because he wasn't a player. It's only for
Speaker 7: players and executives. But again, you know, Marty was finally
Speaker 7: inducted into the Reds Hall of Fame, and this is
Speaker 7: where Bernie Stowe should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7: He has one of just seven inaugural equipment managers honored
Speaker 7: this year. I mean, this is this is the first
Speaker 7: time honor and he is one of seven guys. I
Speaker 7: saw the old Cubs clubhouse manager, Yosh Kwano. If you
Speaker 7: remember Yosh, sometimes you would see him in the dugout
Speaker 7: wearing one of those bucket hats, and he had been
Speaker 7: a quip manager for the Cubs forever. But Bernie forty
Speaker 7: five years as the Reds clubhouse manager, he's seen it all.
Speaker 7: And on top of that, before that, Gary Jeff He
Speaker 7: was the Reds bat boy. I've got baseball cards of
Speaker 7: him as the bat boy back in the fifties before
Speaker 7: he was even clubhouse manager. So it's way over due
Speaker 7: to the redinue. Go wake it up, wake up, get
Speaker 7: their heads out of their butts. And then Doug Bernie
Speaker 7: Stow this year into the Reds Hall of Fame. When
Speaker 7: I go to Reds and when I go to redsvest
Speaker 7: in January, I'm gonna be raising hell about that to
Speaker 7: a few Reds officials when I see him.
Speaker 1: He was a part of four World Series winners with
Speaker 1: the Reds in nineteen seventy and.
Speaker 7: Then the seventy five, seventy six to ninety.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I mean he and he played an integral role.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew Bernie Stowe, and Bernie Stowe was the man
Speaker 1: who made sure the players had what they needed equipment
Speaker 1: wise and just player comfort wise. Anything he could do
Speaker 1: for the Reds he was there to do and he
Speaker 1: always did. And it's it's a family legacy that extends
Speaker 1: to this day.
Speaker 4: I got no.
Speaker 7: Argument from me, man, Like I said, I mean, forty
Speaker 7: five years he saw it all. If he wrote a book,
Speaker 7: it would have been a New York Times.
Speaker 4: Bestseller of the stuff that he saw.
Speaker 7: But he kept his mouth shut. You know, you know,
Speaker 7: what says in the club what says in the clubhouse
Speaker 7: stays in the clubhouse. I mean, you know the Pete
Speaker 7: Rose scandal. Who knows what else went on and went
Speaker 7: on and we'll never know about that that Bernie took.
Speaker 4: To his grave.
Speaker 7: But he really deserves to be and this should catapault
Speaker 7: This should catapault Bernie into the Reds Hall of Fame
Speaker 7: with this induction in Cooper Center.
Speaker 4: Really should they should?
Speaker 1: Well, if the Reds Hall of Fame is only eligible
Speaker 1: for players in management, why is Marty Brenneman in?
Speaker 4: Wellness, there you go.
Speaker 7: Well, then they finally, well because Marty Brenneman got into
Speaker 7: the Baseball Hall of Fame first, and the Reds went, well,
Speaker 7: wait a minute, he should be in our Hall of Fame, right,
Speaker 7: And then they made the right choice. Oh, I know
Speaker 7: Marty Brennan, and I know Marty Brenneman would tell you
Speaker 7: right now that Bernie should be in there.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, no, I can hear Marty Brenneman.
Speaker 7: Uh, with the you know, Hall of Fame, you know
Speaker 7: that they've got the players, the nominees that they've had.
Speaker 7: This is you and Bernie should go in with Francisco
Speaker 7: Cordero and what Brendan Phillips. There should be three guys
Speaker 7: that go in.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agreed with you last week when you made the
Speaker 1: case for Bernie Stowe to be a member of the
Speaker 1: Reds Hall of Fame. So let's uh, let's switch gears.
Speaker 1: I heard that you were recently seen in a Cyclones
Speaker 1: hockey game. Is that true?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I went two two weeks ago. Two weeks ago on
Speaker 7: a Saturday, I ran into your rand to one of
Speaker 7: your buddies. Yeah, Lou, Yeah, I ran in to Lou.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Do you know that there's a man named Ken Carly
Speaker 1: who was a volunteer and often works the penalty box
Speaker 1: for the Cyclones, And he works with another guy named Joe.
Speaker 1: There an older guy named Joe who's right now on
Speaker 1: some kind of British Columbia train vacation with his wife.
Speaker 1: So he didn't make the last weekend. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: know a bunch of guys who work Cyclones games, and uh,
Speaker 1: I actually have a Cyclones connection besides you, and I
Speaker 1: know that for years you were one of the big,
Speaker 1: big time supporters, But you made it the other night.
Speaker 1: Was there something special about the other night?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 7: Absolutely. The Iowa Highlanders were in town, coached by Chuck Weber,
Speaker 7: who won the two Kelly Cups with the Cyclone.
Speaker 4: So I went.
Speaker 7: I really went because I wanted to see Chuck after
Speaker 7: the game. And I saw a sault Chuck after the game.
Speaker 7: I thought it, Did I send you a pick?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 7: I don't know if my dinner.
Speaker 4: No, No, But I saw Chuck.
Speaker 7: But I saw Chuck after the game, yes, And we
Speaker 7: talked about, you know, why they you know, briefly, I'm
Speaker 7: not going to go into it, but briefly about why
Speaker 7: they didn't hire him when they had the chance to
Speaker 7: bring him back and they decided to go a different direction.
Speaker 7: And I'm not going to go into it. I'll tell
Speaker 7: you off the air, but I'm not going to tell
Speaker 7: you on the air because there's something private between.
Speaker 4: Me and Chuck.
Speaker 7: But again, and of course, you know Friday night, Friday night,
Speaker 7: I had to work the Indian Hill in the Hill
Speaker 7: football game, so I couldn't go. And the Cyclones one,
Speaker 7: I believe it was nine to two, and I think
Speaker 7: I guess Chuck got into I got into the guys
Speaker 7: pretty good because Saturday nights I'll return to favorite one
Speaker 7: to seven the two. So so that's why I went
Speaker 7: to see Chuck. And they come back in March for
Speaker 7: a two game series and I'll probably go either one.
Speaker 7: Hopefully I go both games and see Chuck again.
Speaker 1: I know you do the PA stuff for Indian Hills football.
Speaker 1: How things worked out for Indian Hills this year?
Speaker 4: Wild Man, we're undefeated.
Speaker 7: Man, We're undefeated. We're now playing the semi final regional.
Speaker 7: On on Friday, we played Valley View at Fairfield Stadium.
Speaker 7: Valley View, I think they're out of Germantown. We had
Speaker 7: an unbelievable game Friday night against Taff. I mean we
Speaker 7: were dominating Taff from the outset and then we let Tam.
Speaker 4: Kind of get back in the game.
Speaker 7: Gary Jeff Taff is down on the one yard line.
Speaker 7: The clock is winding down to the one minute mark,
Speaker 7: and they fumbled the ball at the one yard line
Speaker 7: and they went into the end zone and Jackson Fry
Speaker 7: fell on the ball. That's a one in a million
Speaker 7: chance that the game would end like that, fumbling the
Speaker 7: ball in the one yard line. Take it in, gonna
Speaker 7: win the game, and we recovered the fumble, took two
Speaker 7: knees and got out of there with the win twenty
Speaker 7: five to nineteen.
Speaker 1: So it's been a pretty good darn sir season if
Speaker 1: you're an Indian Hill football alum or player.
Speaker 7: Or it's been a tremendous season.
Speaker 1: Yes, they attribute any any of the success to you.
Speaker 7: No, no they don't.
Speaker 4: No, they don't.
Speaker 7: But but if the boys can go all the way,
Speaker 7: I would think I would get a ring, he says,
Speaker 7: I'm involved with the program.
Speaker 1: Well, you expect a ring if they win a state championship.
Speaker 7: Yes, I would expect a ring from my good buddy,
Speaker 7: A Fling director Brian Phelps, just I would.
Speaker 1: Will there be a lot of goo for the wild
Speaker 1: man if you don't get a ring?
Speaker 7: I have no, I have no. There's no doubt in
Speaker 7: my mind that the Indian Hill Braves win this, win
Speaker 7: the state championship, that I will get a ring.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful.
Speaker 7: Okay, then, and that'll be three rings I've had. I
Speaker 7: got cyclones rings from the two Kelly Cup championships, and
Speaker 7: then I'd have another one.
Speaker 4: For a football championship.
Speaker 7: And I should have had one this past year for
Speaker 7: baseball and this year going in the baseball season. Uh,
Speaker 7: there's a damn good chance that we could win the
Speaker 7: state championship for Indian Hill Baseball.
Speaker 1: The best announcer money can pay for wild Man at
Speaker 1: Indian Hill this Friday night playoff game. This is a
Speaker 1: semifinal round, wild Man.
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, your regional semi final against Valetvue at Fairfield Stadium.
Speaker 7: So we don't really have to travel very far. You know,
Speaker 7: the last two games because we won the Cincinnati Hills League,
Speaker 7: we got to host two games at home. So now
Speaker 7: we go on the road and go into Fairfield.
Speaker 4: It's nothing.
Speaker 7: I mean, we shall have a lot of fans come
Speaker 7: out there for that game.
Speaker 1: All right, wild Man, I tell you what, Sit back,
Speaker 1: take a break for a moment, and we'll come back
Speaker 1: and talk about some other things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: The wild Man on the Nightcap continues in moments on
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW with wild Man Walker talking about revenge
Speaker 1: for last year's Indian Hills game against Taft. The Braves
Speaker 1: got it back last weekend. In advance, as we were
Speaker 1: talking about just a few moments ago, wild Man, what's
Speaker 1: happening with thes.
Speaker 7: W Where are you wanting to start well? One of
Speaker 7: seven without Joe Burrow. They've now tied the record for
Speaker 7: giving up twenty seven points per game. The record's going
Speaker 7: to be broken on the Sunday when the Patriots come
Speaker 7: to town. Because the Patriots are the best team. They
Speaker 7: might not be, may might be the best team in
Speaker 7: all of football the way they're playing with their MVP quarterback.
Speaker 7: And then you've got, of course, the everybody's talking about it.
Speaker 7: Everybody around the water cooler is talking about it. Jamar
Speaker 7: Chase and Jalen Ramsey getting into it. Uh, Jamar Chase
Speaker 7: spitting and then denying that he didn't do it, but
Speaker 7: the camera cleary shows that he spit a Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 7: And I expect maybe a two game suspension only for
Speaker 7: the fact that he denied it on camera that he
Speaker 7: didn't do it, when the camera clearly shows that he
Speaker 7: did spit Jalen Ramsey. And we know in the heat
Speaker 7: of the battle the guys say stuff and push stuff
Speaker 7: and then just say things. But you don't spit on
Speaker 7: a guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's just so low.
Speaker 4: It's just so low.
Speaker 1: This isn't this is this is an old feud that
Speaker 1: goes back to the Super Bowl with the Rams, doesn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: between Ramsey and Chase.
Speaker 4: Right, I believe so.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's a feud, but they you know,
Speaker 7: they like to talk a lot. But you just don't
Speaker 7: spin on a guy. Man, you don't do that. And
Speaker 7: I don't blame Ramsey. Were coming back and punching them now,
Speaker 7: punching him.
Speaker 4: In the face.
Speaker 7: Whether your hand is kind of dull, because that's why
Speaker 7: that mask is there and you can break your damn hand,
Speaker 7: but just you know, come on, that's just he's And
Speaker 7: then to deny it, I mean, you know, he should
Speaker 7: have just said no comment, to just spend no comment.
Speaker 1: That would have been the best way.
Speaker 4: I didn't spin on the guy.
Speaker 7: Just nineteen video show.
Speaker 3: That he did.
Speaker 1: I saw the video. I've seen, not Channel nineteen somebody
Speaker 1: else's video. I've seen it. It's obviously happened, and Ramsey reacted,
Speaker 1: maybe not in kind, but he reacted, and he's the
Speaker 1: one that got thrown out of the game. The fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is is this is so, this is
Speaker 1: so against the character of what you usually see from
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. I think that's the biggest shocking thing about this.
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is usually he may talk, but he's not
Speaker 1: the kind of guy to highlight himself in a negative way.
Speaker 1: It's usually in a positive way. And I think part
Speaker 1: of that frustration was the fact that he could get
Speaker 1: no traction and couldn't get the targets he wanted for
Speaker 1: the routes he was running, and it all just builds up.
Speaker 1: And I think that was out of character for Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 7: Oh, I think it's out of character. Yeah, but you
Speaker 7: got to give the Steelers. The Steelers came out and
Speaker 7: this time, instead of playing one on one, they played
Speaker 7: his own and Zach Taylor had no clue how to
Speaker 7: deal with his own defense great clue. On top of
Speaker 7: that with this a lousy time management. So I'm sure
Speaker 7: Chase was a very, very frustrated. But you just don't
Speaker 7: go and spit on a guy. I mean, Gary Jemmens,
Speaker 7: somebody spit on you. You retaliate in some way when
Speaker 7: you at least push the guy, you know, when you're like,
Speaker 7: you know, head button or something. I mean, that's just wrong.
Speaker 7: And he's not gonna He's not he might get two games.
Speaker 7: He might get two games for this because, like I said,
Speaker 7: he denied that he did it when it was on camera.
Speaker 7: I want it and go back to Jalen Ramsey, you know.
Speaker 7: And then you're talking about how Jamorrow's got of a
Speaker 7: low key guy. Remember Aj Green getting into it with
Speaker 7: Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Jay Green is pretty
Speaker 7: much of a calm guy. But he got tired of
Speaker 7: being you know, pushed around or hitting the back and
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff. And eventually he eventually retaliated. And
Speaker 7: I don't know if Aj Green got the sky. I
Speaker 7: think he did. I think he didn't get suspended for
Speaker 7: a game.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing leads to another, I mean, but Abby,
Speaker 1: the common denominator in these these different incidents you're talking
Speaker 1: about is Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey is doing something to
Speaker 1: get under these guys who usually calm demeanor, usually good
Speaker 1: temper men. Skin What's what's Jalen Ramsey doing behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that we can't see on camera, wild man, that's
Speaker 1: the question.
Speaker 7: Maybe some of this will come out to light and
Speaker 7: when when Jamar Chase has his hearing with the Director
Speaker 7: of Discipline of the National of Football League.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But and then and let's say Jamar doesn't play on
Speaker 7: Sunday against the Patriots. He might appeal and whatnot, and
Speaker 7: it doesn't got it really gonna matter? And Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 7: we have seven more, seven more games, seven more games
Speaker 7: to watch. Oh and the only winnable games that I
Speaker 7: see on the schedule winnable or Arizona and the Browns,
Speaker 7: that's it. If they're lucky, and if they they're not
Speaker 7: going to beat the Patriots on Sunday, And that should
Speaker 7: runton for all. Shut all these idiots up out there
Speaker 7: that Joe Burrow should play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely zero reason to risk your
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. If you are well on your way to
Speaker 1: being a five win team, what's the point? Why are
Speaker 1: you going to push that point? And and and perhaps
Speaker 1: suffer another injury by the guy who obviously matters more
Speaker 1: than any other player on your team, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 7: And this, and this falls directly I think at the
Speaker 7: bottom line, it's not Joe Burrow, it's not Zach Taylor.
Speaker 7: Mike Brown has to make that decision. And Mike Brown says, Joe,
Speaker 7: you're too valuable. I know you want to play. I
Speaker 7: know you think you're you're healthy enough. The doctors have said, okay, no, no,
Speaker 7: we got you know that the window is still there.
Speaker 7: We don't need to get hurt in the season that
Speaker 7: is lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. So other than that, I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't show us anything different. Uh, the defense may
Speaker 1: have bucked up a little bit compared to their previous Uh,
Speaker 1: you know performances. Pittsburgh is not exactly a juggernaut and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is not the player he used to be, obviously,
Speaker 1: and yet uh, the Bengals once again got drubbed.
Speaker 7: And this time, well they couldn't they couldn't. They couldn't,
Speaker 7: you know, make a play when they had to again
Speaker 7: when they needed the defensive play, they couldn't make it.
Speaker 7: And you saw a lot of lousy tackling once again.
Speaker 3: Uh in the game.
Speaker 1: You know, wild man, wild man, I would settle for
Speaker 1: lousy tackling. But there's been no tackling most of the
Speaker 1: season by that Bengals defense. I'd settle for a lousy
Speaker 1: tackling over the tackling or lack of tackling we've seen.
Speaker 7: That's they leave the league in miss tackles.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not lousy. That's not lousy tackling. That's
Speaker 1: no tackling.
Speaker 7: It's it's like I said that, they've already they've already
Speaker 7: tied the record for giving up the most points and
Speaker 7: now they're gonna set down record. Garantee, you you can
Speaker 7: bet the house. You can bet your first born come
Speaker 7: Sunday when they play the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I saw our girl Caitlyn Clark at the Anaka Anika
Speaker 1: pro Am last week, looking good on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Wild man.
Speaker 4: I tell you what.
Speaker 1: I think she's healed up and just looking for something
Speaker 1: else physically to do, waiting for the next w NBA season.
Speaker 1: But you know all about my girl, Caitlin.
Speaker 7: You know that, Well that would be nice, That would
Speaker 7: be nice for that league.
Speaker 4: They could really use her.
Speaker 7: I mean this past season I chipped it out just
Speaker 7: a little bit. But you I just want to watch
Speaker 7: her play and hopefully she's healthy and ready to go.
Speaker 7: And I think she made the right decision just to
Speaker 7: sit out and get healthy, kind of like what a
Speaker 7: guy by name of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: How to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, in the w NBA, it's not that
Speaker 1: they're missing layups because of gambling spreads. They just like
Speaker 1: to miss Layups.
Speaker 7: I gets what you're going after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, wild man, it's always good to chat
Speaker 1: with you, and thanks for taking time this evening. We
Speaker 1: will we will rendezvous hopefully next Monday night again before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 7: Okay, yes, oh, let's keep beating the drum there for
Speaker 7: Bernie Stove, for the Reds Hall of Fame, and.
Speaker 1: Beat it hard. Absolutely, you beat it hard on your
Speaker 1: own time, wild Man. Thank you so much, and with
Speaker 1: that we say farewell and good evening to you, and
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