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Speaker 1: seven hundred w l GJ Doves sitting down for another

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Speaker 1: Just great guests and you first and foremost, a very

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Speaker 1: depressing football weekend for me, not only your Bengals losing,

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Speaker 1: have been four for four of misery. But there's always

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Speaker 1: next week. Right Week eleven is done and maybe so

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Speaker 1: is Jamar Chase for next week's game against the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Not good news, and sorry Bengals fans, but get that

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Speaker 1: out of the way. It's just football. What about what's

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Speaker 1: going on every day in our country with Democrat socialism

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss this and more the Epstein Files, the one

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Speaker 1: eighty that President Trump has wheeled around just this past

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Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives to release all these Epstein files,

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Speaker 1: and now the President says, yes, please do it. I've

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Speaker 1: those are the topics we'll be discussing tonight again, a

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Speaker 1: and gou with another bad Bengals loss yesterday in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: to the Steelers. But on the bright side, Peter Bronson

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Speaker 1: He's got a brand new book out, and Peter's books

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Speaker 1: always do well. It's always a great thing for local

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Speaker 1: history buffs. When Peter delivers his latest tome, and this

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Speaker 1: one is a little bit different, we'll discuss why. And

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Speaker 1: then I like to get Peter's opinions, pick his brain,

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Speaker 1: Peter sits in with me for the balance of this hour.

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Speaker 1: Also doctor Jim Waite. He was a former Northern Kentucky

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Speaker 1: dentist who married a woman from Ukraine. And I remember

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Speaker 1: talking to doctor Wade on this program actually several years

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Speaker 1: ago before or the Russian incursion, the latest Russian incursion

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Speaker 1: obviously dealing with much different circumstances these days. He has

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Speaker 1: been recently. He is going back this week to war

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Speaker 1: have Walter Herbst, who is another JFK expert on the

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Speaker 1: assassination now some sixty three years ago. Pete Schen from

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Speaker 1: the Epstein Justice Project. Peter Shen will be joining us

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Speaker 1: as well. I hope you stick around for all of it.

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Speaker 1: It's the Nightcap, and we will begin with our first guest,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Peter Burnson, in just minutes here

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred w l W. Step right this way

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Speaker 1: for Peter Bronson. And no, it's it's not a reducts

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Speaker 1: relating to the title of Peter's latest book, Peter Bronson

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Speaker 1: in Studio. How you doing, man? Very good? And you

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Speaker 1: glad to be here? Great to have you always? This

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Speaker 1: is like content gold for a nightcab great great, Well,

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Speaker 1: I love it too. Magical History Tour is the name

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Speaker 1: of the book, Murder, Mystery and Buried History. I should

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Speaker 1: have brought this out on Halloween. Yeah, well maybe I

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Speaker 1: love I love the the cover with the covered wagon

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Speaker 1: the book. And there is a bonus inside this book,

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Speaker 1: ten places to discover Cincinnati History. And that has been

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Speaker 1: your forte and that has been what you've focused on.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it. And I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Every time I have you on and you've got a

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Speaker 2: And I love finding stories that people don't know about,

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Speaker 2: great stories of local history. This place, Cincinnati is so

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Speaker 2: Or did you know Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates in

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Speaker 1: Now, Peter's just referred to three of his other books

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I even enjoyed when I found a

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what one of the It wasn't in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: the irony of this is they went to another funeral

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Speaker 1: don't know if they were looking for a medical college

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Speaker 1: from Monday night, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Peter Bronson

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Speaker 1: is our guest. The book is Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery,

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Speaker 1: Buried History. Five short stories about real Cincinnati history that

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Speaker 1: me explain this, Peter. I think it goes back to

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Speaker 1: the fact that capitalism isn't a failed system. It's the

436
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Speaker 1: fact that it's been perverted. Free market capitalism been for

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Speaker 1: perverted by socialism for the last hundred years in this country.

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Speaker 1: It's been a slow grind, and the more we saw

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Speaker 1: of a welfare state, the more we saw of even

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Speaker 1: medicare something like that social security. People look to government

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Speaker 1: for answers that only God can provide, and only they

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Speaker 1: themselves can provide or should provide under the guise of

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Speaker 1: the system itself, the republic. In other words, this is

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Speaker 1: not a failure of capitalism. This is this is an

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Speaker 1: extension of the socialism that has been slowly grinding through

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Speaker 1: our culture and society for a century. Well, and do

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Speaker 1: you think that the more the more government supposedly gives

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Speaker 1: or provides the answers, the more that they're expect to

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Speaker 1: do so, even though they fail miserably at providing the

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Speaker 1: answers every time and in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me if you look at your history too,

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Speaker 2: the socialist approach is to destroy a given system so

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Speaker 2: that it can then be taken over by the government. Yeah, so, really,

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Speaker 2: you take a look at Obamacare, what it really was,

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Speaker 2: It's it's a bridge to nationalized health care. Because what

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Speaker 2: you're going to do is you're going to destroy the

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Speaker 2: private system that provides.

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Speaker 1: The best, which is exactly what.

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Speaker 2: Exactly And so if you can just completely throw wrenches

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Speaker 2: in the in the cogs of that and destroy it

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Speaker 2: till people are so fed up with it, and then

462
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Speaker 2: what do they do. They turn around and blame that

463
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Speaker 2: It's it's the private market. It's the free, free enterprise

464
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Speaker 2: system that failed, though it wasn't. It was the socialized

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Speaker 2: effort to reform it that failed. And now people, you

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Speaker 2: wait and see, maybe not while we're living, but maybe

467
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Speaker 2: later on people are going to end up turning to

468
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Speaker 2: a single pair government issued healthcare like the horrible systems

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Speaker 2: in Canada and the UK. Oh you know what I'll

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Speaker 2: like in it? This is my next one, Peter, digital

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Speaker 2: ID that the UN is calling for. That starmer in

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Speaker 2: Great Britain just last week said without the digital without

473
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Speaker 2: signing up for the digital ID, oh that's fine, you

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Speaker 2: won't be able to work. Oh great, So that's happening

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Speaker 2: in Great Britain. That's a lot like the social credits

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Speaker 2: and the Big Brother stuff that's going on all over

477
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Speaker 2: the world and was actually really gaining on us until

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Speaker 2: the latest presidential election. I mean, if we had seen

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Speaker 2: Harris as president, all this stuff would be much worse.

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Speaker 2: It would be a lot like Canada is today, I think.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the irony here is that I would

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Speaker 2: be willing to just hazard a bet that the same

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Speaker 2: people who are calling for digital ID do not want

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Speaker 2: ID for voting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like being surprising. It's like the real idea

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Speaker 1: we're required to have now to fly in a plane,

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Speaker 1: commercial airplane. Yeah, real ID. Joe Biden's administration purposely flew

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Speaker 1: millions of people with no ID no vetting around the

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Speaker 1: country in commercial jets to spaces cities all over the

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Speaker 1: country with no ID, and yet American citizens born here,

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Speaker 1: taxpayers have to show their have to show their papers exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think the long game there is that you

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Speaker 2: want these people without IDs so that they can vote

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Speaker 2: in elections and give a permanent majority to the demos.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about New York City, you do not

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Speaker 1: have to show an ID to vote. Boy, and the

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Speaker 1: mail in voting, I mean, it's all part of the

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Speaker 1: same thing.

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Speaker 2: I guess the Supreme Court decision on that should be

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Speaker 2: very interesting because they're going to have a test case

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Speaker 2: on mail in voting, which is one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: open doors for fraud in our election system certainly. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean a universal idea.

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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea. What's next, we get a tattoo.

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Speaker 1: The President over the weekend flipped the script turned to

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty degrees on the Epstein files because

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Speaker 1: he saw the writing on the wall. It was going

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Speaker 1: to pass in the House, regardless of they're trying to

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00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: not get that to pass. And now the President says

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Speaker 1: he and he's always said, and I believe he has

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Speaker 1: nothing to hide as far as you know. Well, that's

513
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Speaker 1: what the emails that have been released pedophilia or human

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Speaker 1: trafficking with Epstein go. He kicked Epstein out of mar

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Speaker 1: A Lago for his behavior.

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Speaker 2: For being such a SkELL guy. Yeah, way back when.

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Speaker 2: What I have heard from people like my Rep.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Messy is that the President was reluctant because he

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Speaker 1: didn't want some of his donors to be embarrassed. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's certainly a possibility. And he did say back in July.

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Speaker 1: President Trump did say back in July he said a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who did nothing wrong are gonna get

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Speaker 1: dirty because they sent an email to Epstein. So I

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Speaker 1: mean there's some logic there. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So in these emails, one of the things that the

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Speaker 2: headlines that I've been reading in the Wall Street journals say,

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Speaker 2: emails are released and Trump is mentioned a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, what it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Tell you is that in these mentions, people are coming

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Speaker 2: to Epstein and asking him if he will help them

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Speaker 2: sabotage Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yes, by come on out and tell everybody how dirty was.

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Speaker 2: And Epstein is replying he didn't do anything wrong. And

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Speaker 2: Epstein hated Trump because he'd been thrown out of mar

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Speaker 2: A Lago. So if he had something to use on him,

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Speaker 2: he would have used it absolutely, And and it's impossible

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Speaker 2: to believe after all this time, after two impeachments, all

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Speaker 2: these investigations, that Jack Smith witch hunt, all of these things,

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Speaker 2: Mueller's witch hunt, that if they had something, they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have viewed it by now what are they waiting for? So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I don't think Trump personally has anything

542
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: to worry about, but yeah, I can see how some donors,

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00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: some fat cats, Bill Gates, a lot of other people

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Speaker 2: are mentioned in those Epstein files, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 2: and Hillary. Yeah, and Ohio's most wealthy resident, Les Wexner,

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Speaker 2: is prominently featured in there. I mean, I've read some

547
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Speaker 2: stuff about that that's really knocks your socks off. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Why did he give Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over

549
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Speaker 2: his entire corporate empire?

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Speaker 1: What was going on there? Excellent question? All right? Next,

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Speaker 1: the president's campaign of war or rumored war against the

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Speaker 1: drug cartels.

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Speaker 2: What do you think I think that even what we're

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Speaker 2: seeing with the protests in Mexico City that are going on,

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Speaker 2: that even the people of Mexico are beginning to catch

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Speaker 2: on that this that has become a narco state.

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Speaker 1: And we were kind of plus go farther south. Venezuela

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Speaker 1: is a narco state, there's no question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean Pablo Escobar ran narco state in

560
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Speaker 2: Central America. I mean, it was unbelievable, it was, and

561
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Speaker 2: we were kind of comfortable with that as long as

562
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Speaker 2: it was enough zip codes away from us and we

563
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Speaker 2: had enough borders between us. But then when the borders

564
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Speaker 2: open up and you see what it's doing to Americans

565
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Speaker 2: and how many have died. I mean, honestly, we're seeing

566
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Speaker 2: unbelievable amounts of deaths and we never read about more

567
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Speaker 2: people have died of More Americans have.

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Speaker 1: Died of fentanyl poisoning than died in the Vietnam War,

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Speaker 1: in World War two, Wow, in World War One. Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's shocking, and we don't we don't read anything about it.

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Speaker 1: If you if you discount Civil War, in every other

572
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Speaker 1: war since, more Americans have died of fentanyl poisoning than

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Speaker 1: all those wars combined.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we know,

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Speaker 2: as long as we know that these boats are running

576
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Speaker 2: drugs and they're packed with drugs, and it's easy enough

577
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Speaker 2: to find out, and I would hope that our intelligence

578
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Speaker 2: gathering apparatus can determine that and make a finding in Hey,

579
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Speaker 2: you fool around, you find out.

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Speaker 1: Well, the one thing that we don't want is obviously

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Speaker 1: another Vietnam, right, an undeclared war that Congress doesn't you know,

582
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: give the ok too. Yeah. And the situation with Venezuela

583
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Speaker 1: is it's like right there, Yeah, it's pretty close. And

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Speaker 1: Maduro obviously is a criminal who stole an election.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and running a narco state, doing as best to

586
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Speaker 2: sabotage our country and our security, propping as many as

587
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Speaker 2: Americans as possi, propping.

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Speaker 1: Up terrorist organizations like Trendy a Ragua and yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And shipping as many as possible, you know. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: that border thing, I was of the opinion that one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest risks of the open border with Mexico

592
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Speaker 2: is that it relieved all the pressure on their government

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Speaker 2: to reform and clean that up, because as long as

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Speaker 2: people could vote with their feet and just leave the country,

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Speaker 2: there was never going to be any revolution in Mexico

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Speaker 2: to clean up their government and stop the extortion, the bribery,

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Speaker 2: the corruption, the narco terrorism, and now finally that we've

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Speaker 2: closed the border, look what we're seeing. We're seeing protests

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Speaker 2: in Mexico City. People are gonna they're gonna shape things

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Speaker 2: up in Mexico, I think because they don't.

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Speaker 1: Have anywhere to go now right we cut off their

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Speaker 1: relief valve.

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Speaker 2: Yes, steam is building up for the pressure cooker. The

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Speaker 2: lid's gonna blow off. Okay, so one more.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And it relates to affordability and how do we

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Speaker 1: find that again? What's the answer that so many people

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Speaker 1: are turning to the government to make things affordable government

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Speaker 1: grocery stores, of fixed rate housing and all the other

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Speaker 1: nonsense that Mom Donnie is preaching that will not work

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Speaker 1: ultimately but is attracting, especially so many younger voters. What

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Speaker 1: can be done to make things more affordable? And is

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Speaker 1: it really a self fulfilling prophecy when you see Americans

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Speaker 1: credit card debt for example, and the living beyond your means?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had a pastor talking a

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Speaker 1: sermon about how it's important for us to live within

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Speaker 1: our means. Yeah, So what's Peter Bronson's answer to affordability

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Speaker 1: which is the new word for equity? Or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, I'm suspicious of that it has

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Speaker 2: become coined by the press as a way to justify

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Speaker 2: Mandami's election and say that there's this widespread dissatisfaction in

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Speaker 2: the country. I don't think that's true. I think what

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Speaker 2: you're talking about is New York. If you've been to

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Speaker 2: New York, you know it costs you like fourteen to

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Speaker 2: fifteen dollars for bottle of coke, you know. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they have an affordability crisis. We have an affordability crisis

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Speaker 2: in housing because we've had millions of people displacing the

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Speaker 2: housing for the people that are here paying their.

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Speaker 1: Taxes, another consequence of the open border exactly.

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Speaker 2: And we've had a runaway inflation because the Biden administration

630
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Speaker 2: was just printing money. And so, yes, do we have

631
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Speaker 2: an affordability problem. Yes, I think it's heading in the

632
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Speaker 2: right direction. The other day I saw gas prices down

633
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Speaker 2: to two seventy eight. You know, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: That's that's where your affordability because fuel oil and by

635
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: the barrel has an effect on everything, food prices, travel, trucking,

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Speaker 2: everything is delivered by fuel.

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Speaker 1: And so I think we're going to see some real

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Speaker 1: positive out.

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Speaker 2: Scott Best was on the rate on one of the

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Speaker 2: talk shows over the weekend and talking about how the economy,

641
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: now that we've got the government shut down behind us,

642
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: the economy is going to take off and things are

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00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: going to get a lot better, and I believe that's true. Meanwhile,

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00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: people have to be patient. I know it's hard to

645
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Speaker 2: say for those who are really struggling, but really a

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Speaker 2: lot of things are looking much.

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Speaker 1: We live in such an instant gratification society that will

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Speaker 1: they be patient enough where the first or second quarter

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Speaker 1: of next year? That's the question.

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Speaker 2: And I think the media is going to do everything

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Speaker 2: they can to make people as imp as possible by

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Speaker 2: by beating this affordability drama, which is their new toy.

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Speaker 1: And if it's not that, it's something else. So don't

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Speaker 1: pay attention to the media.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: Read Peter's book Magical History Tour, Murder Mystery, Buried History,

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Speaker 1: all about Cincinnati, plus ten places to discover Cincinnati history

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Speaker 1: including Spring Grove Cemetery, the Cincinnati Police Museum, Let's see

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Speaker 1: the Heritage Village, Shearon Woods Park, and there's much much more.

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Speaker 2: all of the local bookstores and and on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Pete thanks a lot, Hey my pleasure carry check got it.

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Speaker 1: Walter Herbs with another JFK book coming up in minutes

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Speaker 1: into another hour of the Nightcap here on seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WLW and joining us Lusiman for in this half hour

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Speaker 1: is the author of Yes, yet another book on the

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Speaker 1: JFK assassination. And when I say that, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that I'm bored with books on the JFK assassination. It

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Speaker 1: just means there is a proliferation of them out to

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Speaker 1: this day, sixty three years or sixty two years after

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Speaker 1: that day in November that changed the nation and changed

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Speaker 1: the direction of geopolitical affairs worldwide, the assassination of a

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Speaker 1: president John F. Kennedy. This gentleman has worked extensive This

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Speaker 1: is his third book on JFK. He has done just

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Speaker 1: piles and piles of research. I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: try and imagine the work that has gone into these.

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Speaker 1: He's done decades of intensive, comprehensive research and covering the

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Speaker 1: truth behind the assassination of JFK and related topics like

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Speaker 1: the rise this is interesting, the rise of the radical

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Speaker 1: right in the twentieth century. I'm sure he's aware of

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the twenty first century, the attempt to

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Speaker 1: contain communism, and again the first was a volume one,

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Speaker 1: Volume two, it did not start with JFK. The decades

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Speaker 1: of events that led to the assassination of John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior. And the latest book is Last Resort, Beyond

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Speaker 1: Last Resort, the JFK assassination, the need to protect wes Berlin,

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Speaker 1: and why a second invasion of Cube It never happened.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome Walter Herbst And how are you, sir?

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Speaker 3: I'm well Gary, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for being had. As we like to say, now,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, I always have to ask the motivation

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Speaker 1: behind wanting to do all this research and wanting to

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Speaker 1: write these books on something that there were so many

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Speaker 1: Americans who are adults today who weren't alive and maybe

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Speaker 1: weren't even living the first time Ronald Reagan was elected

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Speaker 1: president in this country? Right, what's the motivation to continue

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Speaker 1: to do the research and to shine a light on

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Speaker 1: what you believe through your research really happened and why

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Speaker 1: it happened. What's the deal?

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Speaker 3: Sure? Okay, Well, I was six years old when JFK

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Speaker 3: got killed, too young to have an opinion on what happened,

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Speaker 3: right or wrong, so accepted the Warren Report. Did that

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Speaker 3: through my twenties, scept did the Warren Report until a

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Speaker 3: friend who kept pestoring me gave me a book called

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Speaker 3: was David Lifton's book about the autopsy and in the

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Speaker 3: Events surround You. And I read that and it was

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Speaker 3: like it hooked me because something's wrong. We've been lied

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Speaker 3: to that there was a conspiracy. There's too many questions.

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Speaker 3: So from that point on I began researching, and as

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Speaker 3: I got to most recent in my last book, Last

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Speaker 3: Resort Beyond Last Resort, which the title that comes from

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Speaker 3: William Harvey, who was in charge of CIA assassinations, and

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Speaker 3: he called assassination last resort beyond Last Resort, which I

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Speaker 3: think applies to the JFK assassination because where most authors

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Speaker 3: or many authors who think there's a conspiracy think it

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Speaker 3: had to do with creating an invasion of Cuba or

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Speaker 3: trying to be a catalyst for an invasion of Cuba,

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Speaker 3: my research took me in a different direction. Not that that's

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Speaker 3: not true, that is true. But there was a group

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Speaker 3: that was worried about what would happen to Berlin, because

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Speaker 3: if we invaded Cuba, the Russians would move into Berlin

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Speaker 3: and possibly jeopardized Western Europe. And there was a group

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Speaker 3: as a last resort, They last resort, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: killed Kennedy to prevent that invade him from happening.

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Speaker 1: And these are i C I a people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not the CIA as a group, okay, but it's

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Speaker 3: a group where it's at the CIA. There are a

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Speaker 3: number of individuals centered in in in Europe. There was

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Speaker 3: William Harvey, who I mentioned previously, who was at one

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Speaker 3: time station chief in Berlin. There was James Angleton, who

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Speaker 3: became CIA counterintelligence chief, who during World War Two was

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Speaker 3: stationed in Italy and uh and and and afterwards as well,

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Speaker 3: Frank Widner in various people like and others. But they're

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Speaker 3: also European monarchists or fascists, some of them who were

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Speaker 3: who were ex Nazis, who works with the CIA.

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Speaker 4: Following World War.

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Speaker 5: Two, and they got together and it's you know, it's

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Speaker 5: something that hadn't just happen by accident.

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Speaker 3: There's a fellow named Jean Pierre Lafitte, who has a

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Speaker 3: date book, who's controversial date book will grant you, but

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Speaker 3: it's it's a narrative of or chronological narrative of the

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Speaker 3: plot to kill JFK. And I think it's real, and

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Speaker 3: it follows how these individuals eventually wound up directing Oswald

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Speaker 3: and how they killed the President of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just talked to doctor David Mantik, who has

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Speaker 1: done as you may may be familiar with his work,

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Speaker 1: He's written several JFK books and his expertise as a

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Speaker 1: doctor of radiation on collegist in looking at the x rays,

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Speaker 1: close looks at the autobiography, X rays show that JFK

751
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Speaker 1: clearly was shot from the front, not as we were told,

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Speaker 1: no doubt in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, look, but if you look. Even an

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Speaker 3: issue of Life magazine came out very shortly after the assassination,

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Speaker 3: and keep in mind that the brutal film was not

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Speaker 3: released until early nineteen seventies for the public to see,

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Speaker 3: so no one was going to see it, right, And

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Speaker 3: the author of that article, Paul Mandel, says in Life

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Speaker 3: Magazine that JFK turned around and faced the sniper's nest

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Speaker 3: and the sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository

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Speaker 3: waving to the crowd and was shot in the throat.

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Speaker 3: And we know that never happened, right right, And he

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Speaker 3: never turned around and faced behind him. In fact, if

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Speaker 3: the brute from shows him getting shot his arms go

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Speaker 3: up with his elbows out, he'd never At that point,

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Speaker 3: he's not waving anymore.

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Speaker 1: And they yeah, it's it's hard to weigh. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to wave when your brain dead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's exactly, I mean, it kind of. It

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Speaker 3: does have its limitations. Yeah, but there's so I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: there's so many things about just go to the evidence

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Speaker 3: that they found in the Texas school Book Depository that

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Speaker 3: they used to uh, basically convict Oswald. They say they

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Speaker 3: found two give me three shells on the sixth floor,

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Speaker 3: it's the sniper's mess. Well they didn't. They found two

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Speaker 3: shells and a live round on the floor. And there's

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Speaker 3: a photo in the Warrant Commission report that shows clearly

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Speaker 3: two shells and a live round. But in addition to that,

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Speaker 3: when the police picked up the evidence and they wrote

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Speaker 3: reports and they say they handed over to the FBI

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Speaker 3: two shells and a live round. The FBI transferred it

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Speaker 3: from one to another, same thing. Jaeger Hoover wrote a report,

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Speaker 3: same thing. It was only until the FBI or you

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Speaker 3: and the Dallas Police found out that one of the

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Speaker 3: shots missed the limo hit a curb and a splinter

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Speaker 3: from the curb hit a bystander named James Tagg that

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Speaker 3: they realized that they have one shot that that's on

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Speaker 3: accounted for muse. Initially, Hoover had said one shot hit

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Speaker 3: hit John Connolly, one shot hit Kennedy, had one shot

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Speaker 3: hit hit him in the back, and that no longer

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Speaker 3: so they needed a third shells. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department mysteriously found the

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Speaker 3: shell with with with a dented hand on it and

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Speaker 3: submitted it and that became the mysterious magically the third

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Speaker 3: shell to explain how Kennedy was killed from the rear.

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Speaker 3: And the only thing is they never considered two assassins.

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Speaker 4: Why what what?

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Speaker 3: What would have been? What? What I mean? There's so

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Speaker 3: much confusion about the autopsy. If you're I'm sure doctor

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Speaker 3: Mantin talked to me about this. But the back wound,

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Speaker 3: there's a back wound in Kennedy's body that they could

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Speaker 3: not probe it was not a through hole, right, they'd

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Speaker 3: used the probe, they used their fingers.

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Speaker 4: It only went so far, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then they found out that a bullet was found

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Speaker 3: that Commission Exhibit three ninety nine, that pristine bullet, the

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Speaker 3: magic bullet was found on a stretcher. And they said

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Speaker 3: out during during the autopsy, or excuse me, during the

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Speaker 3: examination in Dallas, they must have done cardiac massage and

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Speaker 3: the bullet worked its way out and this is why

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Speaker 3: we have this bullet. Well, it turned out that couldn't

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Speaker 3: be the case. They didn't know a trachy out of

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Speaker 3: me done to Kennedy's throat, and that it obliterated a

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Speaker 3: bullet hole that they would have seen otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So there's so much evidence that, I mean, the virtu

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Speaker 3: The gun was originally identified as a Mauser, not a

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Speaker 3: man lyincher carcana. So the police identified it as a Mauser.

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Speaker 3: And this is nineteen sixty three Dallas, right, so they

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Speaker 3: know guns. One of the police officers used to own

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Speaker 3: a sporting goods store. He wrote an Affidavid very detailed,

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Speaker 3: explain this is the mouth. Okay. Well, eventually they found

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Speaker 3: out days later that Oswald had ordered a man lyncher Forrcanne,

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Speaker 3: so that there was no correction thing. We were mistaken.

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Speaker 3: There was no Affidavid following up thing. It's a man

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Speaker 3: nay r Conno. They just made it an lyinch carcana.

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Speaker 3: So for some reason they had this man Lee Harvey

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Speaker 3: Oswold had to be a killer, all right, And I

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Speaker 3: mean it goes on and on. There's that the the

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Speaker 3: scene of the Tippet murder.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Let's let's let's let's hold right there

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Speaker 1: with the Tippet murder and come back. Walter Herbs is

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Speaker 1: our guest. The book is Last Resort, Last Resort Beyond

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Speaker 1: Last Resort on the JFK Assassination. I'm fascinated. I want

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Speaker 1: to know more, and we will find out more in

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Speaker 1: just a few On the nightcap on seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: l W once again talking with Walter Herps, the author

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Speaker 1: of Last Resort Beyond Last Resort, the JFK assassination and

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Speaker 1: uh and it includes the need to protect West Berlin

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Speaker 1: and why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you, Walter, is it true to that perhaps

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Speaker 1: our involvement in Vietnam would have been greatly reduced had

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Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy lived throughout his his first term.

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Speaker 3: Well, I believe so. I mean, he was on record

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Speaker 3: near the end of his first term saying we have

846
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Speaker 3: to get out of Vietnam. And he said to Mike Mansfield,

847
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Speaker 3: congressional leader, that.

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Speaker 4: We have to do this.

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Speaker 3: We said the mation, damn sure, I'm re elected, because

850
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Speaker 3: unless I get reelected, its not going to happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and no, Kennedy was consistent in that. And this is

852
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Speaker 3: where the Berlin angle comes into it, o getting. I mean,

853
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Speaker 3: this is something that most researchers haven't looked at, but

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Speaker 3: throughout Kennedy's presidency, Berlin always came up Bay of Pigs.

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Speaker 3: He was, you know, his advisors and said, well, you

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Speaker 3: know what, if we go into the Bay of Pigs,

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Speaker 3: Russians might take might take Wes Berlin. Which is why

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Speaker 3: Kennedy was so careful not to involve the United States

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Speaker 3: directly in the invasion. Same thing with when the Berlin

860
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Speaker 3: wore went up. There were those that thought he should

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Speaker 3: we should use nuclear weapons against against against the Russians,

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Speaker 3: and of course Kennedy would never do that. And in

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Speaker 3: Vietnam as well. I mean, he worried about whatever he

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Speaker 3: does there would affect Berlin, and so that's why he

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Speaker 3: sent advisors that in never military troops. So he knew

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Speaker 3: he had to get out. And you know, in nineteen

867
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Speaker 3: sixty three he signed a nuclear test ban treaty with

868
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Speaker 3: with with with the Russians, and of course that was

869
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: after the missile crisis, and missile crisis seared him and

870
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: khrush Chef, and so he gave them a famous speech

871
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: at American University in June nineteen sixty three where he

872
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: talked about the United States and the Russians. He said,

873
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: he said, we all want to protect their children's future.

874
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 3: We show us the air we breathe, and the basically

875
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 3: the Russians are so moved by it that they they

876
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 3: actually broadcast in Russia the entire speech. And so yeah,

877
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 3: so he was, he was, we would not have gone

878
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 3: into viet Nom. And that's on the present. Sure he

879
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 3: already started. He pulled a thousand men out and Robert mcnamaron,

880
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 3: Secretary of Defense, was meeting with military leaders. They give

881
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 3: me a plan to get out by nineteen sixty five,

882
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: and they would drag their feet and he would continue

883
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 3: to push push on these people. So, I mean that's

884
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: just one of the groups that Kennedy faced so much

885
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: animosity against him within the government and with an outside government.

886
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: Well, to call Kennedy a Democrat in light of today's

887
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: Democrat Party, it's kind of a misnomer. He was a

888
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: very conservative man. I think.

889
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 3: Look, I agree with you. The definitions are conservative and

890
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: the liberal seems to be the same. But the definition

891
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: of conservative today and back then was different. Even right wing.

892
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 3: I think the definition was different. I mean right wing

893
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: transcended party line because there were so many factors that

894
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: went into it. Women, basically anti communist, maybe a pro segregationist, uh,

895
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: racial segregationist.

896
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: And so there are people on both sides.

897
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 3: Of the aisle that would before that certainly and in

898
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 3: those days on the left side of the aisle give

899
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 3: the disocrats right and throughout the South who were basically

900
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean the editor uh of of of the Dallas

901
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 3: Borne News, Deally whose whose his father and grandfather, Deely Plums,

902
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: was named after, and right after Kennedy became president, they

903
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: went to visit him and him and a number of

904
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: other journalists, and he accused the Kennedy but he said,

905
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 3: the world is looking at you, and then you're riding

906
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: around on Caroline's tricycle. We need, we need, we need

907
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: a white knight on a shining horse to come in

908
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: and take charge of things. They did not respect the president.

909
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still anti communist? Am I a right winger? Then, Walter, Well, if.

910
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: You are, I am as well communism as from the

911
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 3: minute it reared its head. And go back to George

912
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 3: Keenan in the nineteen forties. It was an American diplomat

913
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 3: in Moscow. I think it was the left r that

914
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 3: asked him, give me a summary. What do we have

915
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: to be afraid of? Because as the war was coming

916
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: to an end, you know, there were those that didn't

917
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: trust the Russians that had turned out rightfully. So we

918
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: put together a five thousand word telegram and he basically

919
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 3: said that their objective was to destroy democracy, destroyed the

920
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: United States, and just put communism instill it throughout the world.

921
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: And it's.

922
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: You know, he was Rice.

923
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: Well, Walter, yes, that's still the plan today.

924
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: Well, very much so. I mean you can see it

925
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 3: happening in our country now that it doesn't happen like

926
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: in an aggressive onslought it happens in drims and drags,

927
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: and you get you just get a little bit, a

928
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: little bit, a little bit mixing. You know. It's it's

929
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: it's it's taken a foothold.

930
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

931
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Speaker 3: And now, there were there were many people in the

932
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 3: United States at the time Kennedy was president who thought

933
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: he was a communist, that anyone who tried to normalize

934
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: relations with Russia or China, which he was willing to do,

935
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: considered a communist. And certainly the missile crisis, well, who

936
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 3: considered his greatest moment. Uh, there were those at the

937
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 3: time who looked at it and said, what are you doing.

938
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: You're you're agreeing to take missiles out of Turkey and

939
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: then a unilateral unilaterally took them out of Italy at

940
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: the same time, and and you agreed with that with

941
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: the Castro's uh, or you agreed to never invade Cuba again.

942
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: So uh, but that's that. It was throughout his entire presidency,

943
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 3: you know.

944
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 4: What I mean.

945
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: He was blamed that the Bay of Pigs are not

946
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: allowing air sure, right, so and Vietnam of course, as

947
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 3: you mentioned, so so yeah.

948
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Speaker 1: Well real quickly, my time is now limited because I

949
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: probably stumbled around with too long a question, Walter, But

950
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: the final question is what role did Lee Harvey Oswald

951
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: play involved?

952
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 3: He didn't shoot anyone.

953
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

954
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: Period. The evidence we have, if you take it, we

955
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 3: have people on the street sort of two people up

956
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: on the sixth floor, while we know Lee Harvey Oswold

957
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: was on the first floor eating lunch. And one of

958
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 3: the reasons that there was a person who had an

959
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: epileptic fit on the curb at in front of the

960
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 3: Texas school Book Depository.

961
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

962
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: So when they asked some of these witnesses, when when

963
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 3: did you see these two people? And they said that

964
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 3: when that person was being treated by an ambulance.

965
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

966
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 3: And they heard the broadcast over the ambulances radio saying

967
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 3: that the limo was approaching daily play at such and

968
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 3: such a street, so they could narrow exactly what time

969
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: it was. Well, they knew at that time there's two

970
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: they're seeing two people upstairs and Oswald's downstairs.

971
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Speaker 4: Wow.

972
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: Walter Herps, the author of Last Resort, Beyond Last Resort,

973
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: the JFK assassination, the need to protect West Berlin, and

974
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Thank you

975
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: for your time. Sir, fascinating.

976
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: Thank you for having Gary. Thanks very much for having me.

977
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

978
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: You bet the Nightcap rolls on in minutes, joining us

979
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: in this half hour of the night. Is the associate

980
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: director of the Epstein Justice dot Com. He has an

981
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: extensive background in the US Air Force as a trainer, journalist,

982
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: adults educator. Also served as an executive officer for the

983
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: Continental Norad Region Air Operations Center as a liaison between

984
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: the Secretary of the Air Force and US Senate appropriators.

985
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: His name is Peter Shin. Epstein justice is our topic,

986
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: and boy, there's been a lot of movement in the

987
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: Epstein case and the files just in the last day

988
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: or so. Peter Shin, Welcome to the show.

989
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 4: How are you.

990
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 6: I'm well, Gary, Jeff thanks for having me, and you're right,

991
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 6: it's been a busy weekend in terms of action on

992
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 6: the Hill, certainly related to Jeffrey Epstein and all of

993
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 6: the files associated with his investigation, the investigations that have

994
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 6: been done into him.

995
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: Well more importantly, even more importantly, perhaps seeing the writing

996
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: on the wall, the President has done on one to

997
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: eighty on what he thinks of the importance of the

998
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: release of the Epstein files and has said, yes, they

999
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: should all be released. That happened yesterday.

1000
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 6: It certainly did, and it's a welcome development and one

1001
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 6: which I am delighted to see. And I think all

1002
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 6: right thinking Americans agree with the President that there's no

1003
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 6: reason that these files should be kept under lock and key.

1004
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 6: Let's put this information out into the public domain and

1005
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 6: then maybe we can get some answers to some of

1006
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 6: the questions to which we've been seeking for a long time.

1007
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 6: So from my standpoint, the President did the right thing.

1008
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 6: And maybe it's just a political thing, but I don't

1009
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 6: think so. Look, there's been no evidence that's surface that

1010
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 6: has linked President Trump to any of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes,

1011
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 6: other than perhaps some background knowledge of them. And maybe

1012
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 6: that's enough for some to say that President Trump ought

1013
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 6: to be thrown out whole sale. But from my standpoint,

1014
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 6: the reality is that President Trump is now in a

1015
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 6: position to do what I think he's always wanted to do,

1016
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 6: which is factually put to rest any of the claims

1017
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 6: that he and Jeffrey Epstein were committed any crimes together,

1018
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 6: and I don't think there's any evidence of that, and

1019
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 6: I think President Trump knowing that himself finally relented. I mean, look,

1020
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 6: the guy does not like to have his back pushed

1021
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 6: against the wall, and that's what this discharge peedition was doing.

1022
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 6: It was pushing his back against the wall. He doesn't

1023
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 6: like that, so it's not surprising that he reflexively opposed it.

1024
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 6: But upon thinking about it, the President, a wise man

1025
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 6: in many ways, especially politically, realized that this issue was

1026
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 6: not going to be a winner for him and he

1027
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 6: needed to get on board, and he wisely did so.

1028
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 6: So I praised President Trump for his decision and think

1029
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 6: it's only a matter of common sense.

1030
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: My congressman happens to be Thomas Massey of the fourth

1031
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: District in an House of Representatives, who famously has opposed

1032
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill the President has called out for

1033
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: primary ing, and Thomas Massey is the man who pushed

1034
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: the petition in Congress to get these released and what

1035
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: has led. He's the one leading the charge. A Republican

1036
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: and a very conservative guy, and does somebody that I'm

1037
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: proud to say I voted for, but often has been

1038
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: in really in the big picture, he votes with Trump

1039
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: and the Republicans ninety one percent of the time, but

1040
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: then these small issues that are amplified because of Trump's

1041
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: designated importance, like the Big Beautiful Bill. He differed with

1042
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: the President, and now he's been a part of this

1043
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: drive in Congress in the House to release these files,

1044
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: and he was successful.

1045
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 6: Ultimately well and because ultimately it's about a lot more

1046
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 6: than just politics here. Yes, as you know, you know

1047
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 6: reality and the reality is that.

1048
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 4: And this is why we at.

1049
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 6: Epstein Justice dot Com are pushing so hard for transparency

1050
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 6: in this matter is because at the end of the day,

1051
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 6: it's really not about politics. It's about one ensuring that

1052
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 6: people who have been victimized by this person, who everyone

1053
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 6: agrees is perhaps one of the greatest monsters to ever

1054
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 6: emerge from American life, that the victims of this monster

1055
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 6: actually get some measure of justice.

1056
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 4: And that's really what it boils down to.

1057
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 6: And even if that justice doesn't amount to criminal convictions

1058
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 6: for others, the least it could be is public humiliation

1059
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 6: and the public exposure of those who were involved in

1060
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

1061
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 4: Maybe it's too late.

1062
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 6: To actually put people in jail, but it's certainly not

1063
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 6: too late for people to be exposed as the creeds

1064
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 6: and monsters that they were and are.

1065
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: Of all the conspiracy surrounding Jeffrey Epstein is life and

1066
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: his death, his crimes and the aftermath, what do you

1067
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: make of the people who you conspiracize. I'm a grammarian.

1068
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: I just made that up. I think conspiracize that Jeffrey

1069
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: Epstein didn't die in the prison cell, that he's actually

1070
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: been whisked away somewhere because he's a CIA CI and

1071
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: he's an informant, and you know, all of these other things,

1072
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: and the fact that President Trump may have been a

1073
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: CIA informant at one time, and the dog that hasn't barked?

1074
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: What do you make of all the conspiracies? Is the

1075
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: release of these files finally going to put an end

1076
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: put to bed these conspiracies or is it going to

1077
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: in your opinion, is it going to spark even more Peter?

1078
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 4: In my opinion, it will put it to bed.

1079
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 6: And the real issue that needs to be put to

1080
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 6: bed more than any other Gary Jeff is not whether

1081
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 6: or not in Trump for whether any specific person was

1082
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 6: involved in these crimes. The real question is was a

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Speaker 6: foreign government intelligence agency behind Jeffrey Epstein and what appears

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Speaker 6: to a casual observer to be a sophisticated honeypot operation

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Speaker 6: in which he would have underage girls available to people

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Speaker 6: who expressed an interest in such.

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Speaker 4: A thing and then filmed them.

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Speaker 6: Because we all know, or perhaps maybe your listeners don't know,

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Speaker 6: but anybody who's familiar with this case knows that all

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Speaker 6: of Epstein's many properties were literally wired for sound and video,

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Speaker 6: so that he captured literally hundreds of gigabytes of files

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Speaker 6: of people interacting with the people that he was trafficking,

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Speaker 6: and those files are in the possession of the FBI.

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Speaker 6: Hundreds of gigabytes of surveillance from Jeffrey that Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 6: himself commissioned on his own properties. That surveillance is in

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Speaker 6: the hands of the FBI. That ought to be released,

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Speaker 6: obviously with appropriate protections for victims. But there is absolutely

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Speaker 6: no reason why the surveillance materials that Jeffrey Epstein himself

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Speaker 6: elected should not be put into the public domain.

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Speaker 1: It's not a big surprise that the British Royal monarchy,

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Speaker 1: for example, has pretty much excommunicated Prince Andrew, who was

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Speaker 1: implicated in some video and has been created in the

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Speaker 1: past as one of Epstein's biggest clients. You talk about

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Speaker 1: people in other countries, in foreign countries being involved, and

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that somehow because of diplomacy, diplomatic reasons,

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Speaker 1: the reason that Trump was perhaps shy about the release

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Speaker 1: of all the information because it may hurt us politically

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Speaker 1: with people we're trying to make deals with.

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Speaker 6: I think that that's probably true. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 6: how is that actually more important than finding out whether

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Speaker 6: or not our political system has been compromised by a

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Speaker 6: foreign intelligence honeypon operation, which is what we could be

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Speaker 6: talking about. I don't know if we're talking about that,

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Speaker 6: And that's really what it boils down to. We talk

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Speaker 6: about conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, but what that really

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01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 6: means is honest people with legitimate questions that haven't been

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Speaker 6: answered because we don't have the information because powerful people

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Speaker 6: don't want it out there because they don't want to

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Speaker 6: be embarrassed.

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Speaker 4: It really does.

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Speaker 6: It's not much more complicated than that. This is really

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Speaker 6: a story about powerful people trying to avoid being embarrassed publicly,

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Speaker 6: like Prince Andrew. And what has Prince Andrew really suffered? Oh,

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Speaker 6: he has to move from one luxurious set of quarters

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Speaker 6: to another luxurious set of quarters. He's no longer able

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Speaker 6: to be called his Royal Highness. Oh geez, what a

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Speaker 6: pity for the ex Prince. No, he faced no real

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Speaker 6: consequences for his behavior, and that's really what the problem

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Speaker 6: is here, Gary jeff I think for the average American

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Speaker 6: is that there's been zero accountability for any of Epstein's crimes,

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Speaker 6: and now we can't have accountability from Epstein. Maxwell is

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Speaker 6: in for some reason, getting some kind of cushy treatment

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Speaker 6: in the least severe federal prison that you can.

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Speaker 3: Be sent to.

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Speaker 6: And so there's just a sense that, like so much

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Speaker 6: else in American life over the past twenty thirty years,

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Speaker 6: that there's simply no accountability for people, especially wealthy people,

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Speaker 6: who appear to be.

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Speaker 4: Able to do whatever they want and get away with it.

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Speaker 1: That's all part of the continuing class war. Really, Petershin,

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Speaker 1: if you will indulge me, hang on for one moment

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Speaker 1: or two, we'll take a break and come back and

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Speaker 1: wrap this up. Peter Shin as our guest from the

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Speaker 1: Epstein Justice dot com. And it looks it looks like

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01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,839
Speaker 1: we're closer and closer to getting some justice and some answers.

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Speaker 1: It's the nightcap, and we'll be right back on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 1: Our discussion is with Peter Schinn for the next few

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Speaker 1: minutes from Epstein Justice dot com. He is the associate

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: director thereof And Peter, I understand, just off topic for

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Speaker 1: a moment, you have a quite an extensive career in broadcasting,

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01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: which almost fascinates me. I've been in this business now

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Speaker 1: for longer than I want to mention, forty five years,

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Speaker 1: and you were actually in farm broadcasting. Tell me about that,

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Speaker 1: just for a minute or two.

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Speaker 6: Well, sure, I was an agricultural broadcaster. I got into

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01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 6: that kind of role by accident. I answered an ad

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Speaker 6: in a newspaper that's a true story about in nineteen

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Speaker 6: ninety six, and they were looking at the time for

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Speaker 6: a part time farm assistant. And I didn't know anything

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Speaker 6: really about production agriculture. I'd spent some time working in

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Speaker 6: the fields as a kid in New Mexico and in Ohio,

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Speaker 6: but I certainly never run a farm. But what I

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01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,799
Speaker 6: found out is that agriculture is an absolutely fascinating industry,

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Speaker 6: and of course it's one that is absolutely vital to

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01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 6: this nation because without a farmer, you don't need and

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Speaker 6: so I really enjoyed that aspect of my life. But

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Speaker 6: I was also an Air Force Air National guardsman, and

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Speaker 6: so I had an opportunity at a certain point to

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Speaker 6: leave my career in farm broadcasting to go return to

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Speaker 6: active duty. And that's ultimately what I chose to do.

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Speaker 1: Oh God bless you. You know, you were a farm broadcaster,

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Speaker 1: agricultural broadcaster in Iowa, which is my birth state, and

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Speaker 1: I come from farm stock, although I never picked up

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Speaker 1: the plow myself, so that kind of is near and

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Speaker 1: dear to my heart. In two thousand and eight, you

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01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,839
Speaker 1: are selected to provide leadership, communications, problem solving, and critical

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: thinking skills which sometimes are sadly lacking in our society

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01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: for various reasons today at the US Air Force Officer

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Speaker 1: Training School. And then you deployed to the Iowa National Guard, right.

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Speaker 4: Well something like that. You know, it's a complicated.

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Speaker 6: Our military is more complicated than most people imagine, right.

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Speaker 4: So we have an active duty component, we have an.

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Speaker 6: Air National Guard component, or are a national guard component

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Speaker 6: Army and air, and we also have a reserve component,

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Speaker 6: at least many of the services do. And so if

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Speaker 6: you're a service member and you're on active duty, that

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01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 6: means one thing. If you're in the reserves, that means another.

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Speaker 6: And so really what happened was I was in the

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Speaker 6: Iowa National Guard and then I got a chance to

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Speaker 6: go on active duty. Now I'm still affiliated with the

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Speaker 6: Iowa National Guard, but now I'm in the Air National

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Speaker 6: Guard of the United States, operating under Title ten, which

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Speaker 6: is all complicated, and what it really means is that, hey,

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Speaker 6: you've been put on active duty, but you're still in

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Speaker 6: the Guard. You're not a regular Air Force member. So

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Speaker 6: there are these kind of administrative nuances that really don't

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Speaker 6: mean anything. At the end of the day, you're still

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Speaker 6: on active duty, you're still wearing the uniform, You're STI

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Speaker 6: getting a chat.

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Speaker 4: But I was never disaffiliated with the.

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Speaker 6: Iowa National Guard, if that makes sense. But what happened was, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I went back I trained officer candidates. The Iowa Guard

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Speaker 6: called me up and said, hey, look, we got a

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 6: big army deployment and we have a public affairs position

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Speaker 6: that we need somebody to take with this little tiny

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 6: agribusiness unit that's going to Afghanistan.

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Speaker 4: Would you be interested?

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Speaker 6: And I said, well, I've never been a public affairs officer,

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01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 6: but I know a lot about agricultural and broadcasting, and

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Speaker 6: I know how important this.

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Speaker 4: Mission is and I'd be happy to do it.

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Speaker 6: And so I went and interviewed with the Army six

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Speaker 6: who was running the mission, the Agribusiness Development Team, and

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Speaker 6: I convinced him that I could do the job, and

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Speaker 6: so he brought me along and that's how it went.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get back to Epstein Justice for just a moment.

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Speaker 1: The victims themselves. Is there any idea how many there

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Speaker 1: may be, and how many may still be alive? And

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Speaker 1: how would they be made whole by the release of

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Speaker 1: this information?

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Speaker 6: These are good questions. I will tell you that the

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Speaker 6: Department of Justice estimates Jeffrey Epstein's victims to number more

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Speaker 6: than a thousand. Now that's apporting to the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 6: and I believe that to be a roughly accurate figure.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about hundreds and hundreds potentially of children and

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Speaker 6: also some young adults who were harmed very seriously by

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Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein and Galaine Maxwell and their associates. How would

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Speaker 6: the release of this information help make victims whole? Well,

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Speaker 6: first of all, it might help them feel as if

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Speaker 6: the federal government was actually interested in justice for them,

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Speaker 6: and it is less interested in.

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Speaker 4: Covering it up.

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Speaker 6: That might be one way in which they might feel

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Speaker 6: less like victims and more like people who are supported

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Speaker 6: by their own government. That would be one critical factor

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Speaker 6: that I think would be very helpful to victims.

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Speaker 4: And it's worth noting Gary Jeff.

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Speaker 6: That Epstein victims themselves are calling for the release of

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Speaker 6: this information, and they're calling for it because of the

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Speaker 6: very reasons that I've said, How can they possibly get

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Speaker 6: any kind of closure when, in fact, the reason that

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Speaker 6: alex Acosta in testimony before the House Oversight Committee, and

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Speaker 6: alex Acosta is the one time US attorney and current

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Speaker 6: director of Newsmax who made the agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's

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Speaker 6: attorneys that allowed Jeffrey Epstein to go essentially unpunished for

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Speaker 6: a child sex trafficking network that the Palm Beach Police

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Speaker 6: had him dead the rights to well, alex Acosta made

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Speaker 6: the deal.

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Speaker 4: That let him basically walk free, right, and.

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Speaker 6: And what alex Aposta has said is that the reason

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Speaker 6: we didn't prosecute him is because the.

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Speaker 4: Victims are liars. That's what he said.

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Speaker 6: We didn't believe them, we didn't believe they could testify effectively, we.

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Speaker 4: Didn't believe the victims. That's what alex Acosta has testified to. Well,

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Speaker 4: if we.

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Speaker 6: Get this information out there, maybe, just maybe we might

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Speaker 6: believe the victims in this case. And the thing is

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Speaker 6: that this is the thing Gary Jeff. The American people

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Speaker 6: all ready do believe the victims. It's just that the

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Speaker 6: huge problem that we have in the country is that,

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Speaker 6: for reasons unclear, the federal government to this point, and

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Speaker 6: specifically the executive branch, have not been willing to comply

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Speaker 6: with the will of the American people to disclose this

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Speaker 6: information up until now. President Trump let the effort to

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Speaker 6: propose it. Now he says, let's get it out there,

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Speaker 6: and I say, yes, President Trump, let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, hasn't even been in office a whole year.

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Speaker 1: He's accomplished all whole lot in less than a year

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Speaker 1: as president. And this will be added to those kudos

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Speaker 1: if it all goes as planned and we get this

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Speaker 1: you know, this closure, whatever that may mean for whomever. Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Justice dot Com is the website and the place where

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Speaker 1: you can find more of the work that Peter Shin

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Speaker 1: and his group of folks who care about the victims

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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and want Justice are doing and you

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Speaker 1: can find out more there anything else real quickly to add.

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Speaker 6: Peter, well, I know this is a crass, but you

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Speaker 6: know we're a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. We're not interested in

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Speaker 6: taking political sides on this. We just think it's the

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Speaker 6: right thing to do for everybody. But we could use money,

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Speaker 6: so if you'd like to donate, we'd welcome that too.

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Speaker 1: All Right, fantastic, thanks for your time tonight.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Gary, Jeffin always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sir Peter Shin Epstein Justice dot Com. Just afternoons

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Speaker 1: a man who has spent extensive time in Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: is going back again. We'll find out why and we'll

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Speaker 1: find about his connections to this country. Doctor Jim Waite

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Speaker 1: is next on the Nightcap into yet another hour of

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Speaker 1: this Nightcap on Monday, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Our

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Speaker 1: next guest is a guy that I had the pleasure

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Speaker 1: of meeting several years ago. He was an acquaintance of

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Speaker 1: someone that came into the bar while I was bartending,

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Speaker 1: late the late Jim Sawyer or saw Bones, and we

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01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 1: both knew him as quite the character. But he introduced

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Speaker 1: me to doctor Jim Waite at that time, and he

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01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: had been on this program in the past. It's been

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01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: a few years, but he popped back up at the

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01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: bar last week and I said, you know, we're doing

1301
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,720
Speaker 1: another conversation on the radio on my show, Jim, what

1302
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: do you think? And he was agreeable to that. And

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01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 1: he has a lot to report back from Ukraine and

1304
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: he is going back to Ukraine tomorrow to continue the

1305
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: work that he has been doing there over a span

1306
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: of several years. He is the head of Laser Care

1307
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: of Northern Kentucky. With Laser Care of Northern Kentucky, his

1308
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: history was as a dentist. He quit the dentistry finally,

1309
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: and he is doing fine work now for people with

1310
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: no downtime, no surgery, for all kinds of melodies that

1311
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: affect many of us. And it's great to have him

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: on the show once again. Doctor Jim Waite, how are.

1313
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 4: You hey, I'm great, Thank you for having me.

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01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 1: Ye know, the first time that we ever talked, you

1315
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: talked to me about you were headed to Ukraine because

1316
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: your wife was from Ukraine. She was working with family

1317
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 1: there and kind of stuck and you were making multiple

1318
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: trips to Ukraine as a result of that, and it

1319
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: became your second home country. Basically, you talked about the

1320
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: corruption in politics. You know, you think that we're rife

1321
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: with corruption in this country, and we are, but nothing

1322
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 1: like what happened or has happened in Ukraine over the years.

1323
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: And then President President Zelenski got a rude wake up

1324
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: call when President Putin of Russia decided that he wanted

1325
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: Ukraine back for Mother Russia. And we're in the middle

1326
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: of this, embroiled in this awful war of aggression by

1327
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: Russia and the Ukrainians right and ability to defend themselves,

1328
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: and he's been right there watching it all happen in

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01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: real time. So number one, doctor Waite, is is this

1330
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 1: a winnable war by Ukraine from the standpoint of driving

1331
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: the Russians out?

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01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 3: Do you think?

1333
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 4: Well, if you remember back when we talked and Putin

1334
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 4: was massing troops, I said he wouldn't have I said

1335
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 4: he won't invade because I know the Ukrainians and there's

1336
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 4: just gonna be a lot of dead Russians. Well, he invaded,

1337
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 4: and now there's a lot of dead Russians. And I

1338
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 4: just read another a blog in a Russian blog today

1339
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 4: from a guy named Strelkov igor Gerkin. He's the guy

1340
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 4: that led the whole thing in twenty fourteen when they

1341
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 4: first took over to don Bass in Crimea. And he's

1342
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 4: just going off on how they just they have to

1343
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 4: totally dismantle Ukraine and split it up between Poland and

1344
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 4: Romania and Hungary and then take what they want. So

1345
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 4: the Russians are, you know, full bore all in on this.

1346
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 4: The Ukrainians, I don't know that they can win, but

1347
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 4: the Russians certainly aren't. They're losing tons of people. And

1348
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 4: I told you the story about the one soldier I

1349
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 4: know that's thirty two, and he was telling about being

1350
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 4: at Bakhmut and he had seven guys in his group

1351
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 4: and another five guys defending a strong point and just

1352
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 4: as like you and I are talking or we're talking

1353
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 4: the bar or something, and he said, yeah, the Russians

1354
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 4: had started coming and we'd start killing them, and then

1355
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,560
Speaker 4: they'd come again and we'd kill some more, and we

1356
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 4: might kill five hundred in a day. Wow, just kind

1357
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 4: of like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, Well, the great, the great tell the great

1359
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: story You told me about the guy who was he

1360
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: now he was off duty and you asked him if

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01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:50,639
Speaker 1: he would re up.

1362
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 4: And what did he say? Yeah? What did he say? Well, yeah,

1363
01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 4: he actually saved his own life with a thing called

1364
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 4: a sick tournament tournique si ch it's a Kassack word.

1365
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 4: And then the people that I worked with rehabbed his

1366
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 4: arm to ninety five percent used when the doctors said

1367
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 4: he'd never use it again. But he's finally discharged, but

1368
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 4: he said, I'm signing back up when we go to Moscow. So,

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 4: you know, great expectations. You can't imagine how much people

1370
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 4: hate the Russians and these were their brothers, you know,

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01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 4: they all get family and people in Russia. The one

1372
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 4: girl that moved here that had run the orphanage outside

1373
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 4: of Kiev when they were shelling her village, Shiv out

1374
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 4: of Patrisk and she talked to her family in Leningrad,

1375
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 4: Leningrad Saint Petersburg and they said, Natalia, we're coming to

1376
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 4: rescue you. And she says, what do you mean, We're

1377
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 4: coming to rescue you from the Nazis and the fact

1378
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 4: and she said, if you want to rescue me, stop

1379
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 4: shelling me.

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01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, And what is life like on what

1381
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: is life like on the ground for the people in

1382
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: Ukraine where you.

1383
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 4: Are all in Kiev, it's almost normal until there's an

1384
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 4: air raid or a blackout. Now, a year ago when

1385
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 4: I was there, there was a blackout almost every day,

1386
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 4: and most of them were scheduled because they were doing

1387
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 4: repair work from bombings and so they you know, he

1388
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,560
Speaker 4: had have a four hours in some cases you'd have

1389
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 4: to a day, and they were scheduled. And then now then,

1390
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 4: until just the last couple of weeks, the Russians hadn't

1391
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 4: affected the electrical grid, and even then things were pretty

1392
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 4: much normal. All the restaurants bought generators and had them

1393
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 4: sitting on the sidewalk, and if there was a black out,

1394
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 4: they turned the generator on and people kept eating. So

1395
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 4: it was, you know, for intents and purpose as it

1396
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 4: was pretty normal.

1397
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,640
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's been a lot, a lot of

1398
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,679
Speaker 1: destruction in the eastern part of the country. Obviously they're

1399
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: in a.

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Speaker 4: Brick on a brick, yeah, it's it's and they've destroyed

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01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,879
Speaker 4: the water canals. They've started destroyed the water pipes the Russians.

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01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 4: Where the Russians have taken over in Donetsk, they're having

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01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 4: to bring in water trucks. People go without water, they're

1404
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 4: going to be without heat in some cases, it's gonna

1405
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 4: be it's a true disaster. And the Russians they're just brutal,

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01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 4: and they're brutal to their own people, and they don't

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01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 4: really take care of the citizenry.

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01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 1: Well, you also told me that the Russian army is

1409
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:53,440
Speaker 1: not compro comprised of people from Moscow or St. Petersburg.

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01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: It's from all the various regions that Russia has taken over.

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01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: And there are Muslims and there are other groups of

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01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: people just being thrown in like like cannon fodder by Putin.

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01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, a lot of doorats from which are Buddhists

1414
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 4: from out around like the Call, and then others, and

1415
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 4: then you get the Muslims, and then you get you know,

1416
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,839
Speaker 4: they got like one hundred and twenty nationalities and languages

1417
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 4: and things, and and so the actual Moscow people casualties

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 4: are like less than one ten to one percent, and

1419
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 4: they all pretty much exempt themselves. And then what they

1420
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 4: do is they offer these huge bonuses for signing up.

1421
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 4: They got seventy year old guys signing up. Now, guys

1422
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 4: that they're walking with a cane and they're figuring, Hey,

1423
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 4: I'm going to set my family up. I'm going to

1424
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 4: get this big bonus. And then what they find out

1425
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 4: is they steal your money and it's on an EVT

1426
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 4: card and they steal them. The commanders steal the money,

1427
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 4: and then when you're dead, they don't collect the bodies,

1428
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,839
Speaker 4: and so there's no benefit. We don't know what happened

1429
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 4: the poor old Igor, you know, so we can't pay you.

1430
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: So they're lying. They're lying to them to get more

1431
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: bodies to throw into the meat grinder at the Ukrainians.

1432
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now they're playing paying police and other people

1433
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 4: recruitment bonuses. So they're going and getting alcoholics and all

1434
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 4: kinds of guys off the street and they thing you

1435
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 4: pass out on the street and they thing, you know,

1436
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 4: you're in the army. But that's where they're fighting with now.

1437
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 4: And the other thing is the commanders capture places on

1438
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 4: what they call captured on credit. They send the guy

1439
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,720
Speaker 4: out with a flag, he plants the flag, they take

1440
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 4: a picture, they report that they captured this village and

1441
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 4: they get a bonus. Well, once the Ukrainians see that published,

1442
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 4: well now you have to take it. So the Ukrainians

1443
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 4: bulk it up, and now you're really get casualties because

1444
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 4: you have to take it.

1445
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think the casualty rate

1446
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: is you're talking about all of the dead Russians. Uh,

1447
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: Are there equal casualties on on the Ukrainian side?

1448
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 4: Kim, No, No, it's maybe one third to one fourth

1449
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 4: on the Ukrainian side.

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01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: That can't be.

1451
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 4: That can't really, they're still really high.

1452
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: That can't be good for Putin ultimately with the Russian people, can't.

1453
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 3: You You would think so.

1454
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 4: But you know, there's nobody better at suffering than the Russians.

1455
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 4: They got a real, uh, real knack for suffering. You know,

1456
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 4: you see those commercials on TV of the grandmothers and

1457
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 4: the really horrible conditions and and raising money for him,

1458
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 4: and and you go throughout Ukraine and Russia and those

1459
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 4: places are real. You go in almost any village outside

1460
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 4: of a city and you know you've got some like that.

1461
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 4: So these are hard people, both were Ukrainians and Russians.

1462
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 4: You know, I told you the story of the grandfather

1463
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 4: that was living in his basement and the Russians are

1464
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 4: coming and the Ukrainians are pleading with him to leave

1465
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 4: and he says, I'm not leaving and they go that disco.

1466
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 4: The Russians will come and kill you. And he says

1467
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 4: if they kill me, they'll know they killed the Ukrainian.

1468
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: In other words, he's ready to fight to his last

1469
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: breath to defend us home.

1470
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll go down with the ship, but we're taking

1471
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 4: a bunch of them with us.

1472
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: Talking to doctor Jim Waite on the Nightcap, who was

1473
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 1: heading back to Ukraine tomorrow, we'll talk about some of

1474
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: the work he has been doing there with all of

1475
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: the casualties and the wounds that are happening and do

1476
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: happen in battle. And there's a new technique that is

1477
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 1: being used that's been around for a long time. But

1478
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: maybe American doctors could take a page out of the

1479
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,720
Speaker 1: Ukrainian playbook when it comes to what we're going to

1480
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,560
Speaker 1: speak of next. Doctor Jim Wait with us on the

1481
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 1: nightcap back in a moment. We are talking to doctor

1482
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: Jim Wait. He's from northern Kentucky and is headed back

1483
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: to is the second home country, Ukraine tomorrow. Doctor Jim, Uh,

1484
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: there is a technique that you told me has been

1485
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: used in dentistry, Uh for implants and the like, but

1486
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: not in medical surgery for wounds. And you guys are

1487
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: successfully using in Ukraine from for folks coming off the

1488
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 1: battlefield and the wounds there. It's called p r F or.

1489
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 4: Light yeah richt okay, And and what.

1490
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 1: What is this and why is it so crucial, especially

1491
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: in a war zone or where people are treating these

1492
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,519
Speaker 1: these wounds trying to save limbs and the like. What

1493
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 1: makes it so special?

1494
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 4: Well, people might be familiar with platelet rich plasma, which

1495
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 4: major League pictures and people have been injecting in their

1496
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 4: elbows for a long time. But the platelet rich plasma

1497
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 4: has an antiquigulant, and so you draw the patient's blood,

1498
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 4: you put in the antiquagulant to keep it liquid. But

1499
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,960
Speaker 4: because it doesn't clot, it only lasts a couple of

1500
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 4: days if you leave the fiber and it will clot eventually,

1501
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 4: and then we get an effect for up to fourteen days,

1502
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 4: and then there's another way we can extend it to

1503
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 4: even four to six months. So what happens is this

1504
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 4: fibrin traps platelets and white blood cells and other healing

1505
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 4: elements and proteins and different things, and then it slowly

1506
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 4: releases them kind of like a drip irrigation to a plant.

1507
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 4: For fourteen days, you're getting this drip irrigation of all

1508
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 4: your stuff, and it's highly concentrated. So imagine taking everything

1509
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 4: that God gave your body to heal with and concentrating

1510
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 4: it by a factor of four and then being able

1511
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 4: to inject it or put it right where you want

1512
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 4: it to be to promote healing. So it's really great stuff.

1513
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 4: The drawback to it is because there's no anticoagulants. You

1514
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 4: have to draw the blood and get it into a

1515
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 4: centrifuge in ninety seconds, and that's the drawback why it's

1516
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 4: one of the big drawbacks why it isn't used much

1517
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 4: in medicine. In a dental office, you know, you've got

1518
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,600
Speaker 4: a small office, you can walk across the office and

1519
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 4: put it in a centrifuge, And for dentists that are

1520
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 4: doing implants or periosurgery or those kinds of things, it's

1521
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 4: like the best insurance ever. You get great healing and

1522
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 4: it costs five dollars. You know, you've got a couple

1523
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 4: of test tubes and a collection kit, and then you

1524
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:01,560
Speaker 4: got some special centrifuge and some other things. But for

1525
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 4: sports injuries joints injecting joints. Doctor Robert Tallick in Houston.

1526
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:12,759
Speaker 4: He came to the dental conferences from doctor Rick Myron

1527
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 4: is the guy that did most of the research and

1528
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 4: pioneered this when he was in burn, Switzerland, and he's

1529
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 4: been in Florida teaching it for about five years now.

1530
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 4: And doctor Tallick went into the dental conferences, didn't tell

1531
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,559
Speaker 4: anybody he was an MD. And he's just been named

1532
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 4: orthopedic to the Olympic team. And I've talked to him

1533
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 4: a number of times and he said he's reduced his

1534
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 4: surgeries by eighty percent using injections. So if you look

1535
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:45,879
Speaker 4: at war wounds, they're always dirty. There's sometimes there's missing tissue.

1536
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 4: You can't sew them back together. Sometimes you don't want

1537
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 4: us so stitch them back together. So you can actually

1538
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 4: make membranes, or you can do injections of affected areas

1539
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 4: with the plateletd rich fibrin and it's up healing and

1540
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 4: then also has an antibacterial effects. So it's just great

1541
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 4: stuff and it's easy to use, and it's the patient's

1542
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 4: own blood. You don't have to worry about any kind

1543
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 4: of reactions or any other things. So that's what we're

1544
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 4: teaching over there, and they've been very they've been very

1545
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 4: good at picking up on it and finding ways to

1546
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 4: use it. And I'm like, hey, guys, I don't know

1547
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 4: what you did your orthopedic. I'm a dentist. I don't

1548
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 4: you know. Tell me. I can tell you all about PRF,

1549
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 4: but you're going to have to tell me how you

1550
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 4: use it. Well, that mean great work.

1551
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: If more surgeons in this country could adopt that, it

1552
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:45,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't cost much to put a centrifuge within walking distance

1553
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: of where they draw the blood for the patient. Maybe

1554
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 1: the problem is it only costs five dollars and the

1555
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 1: insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to get great

1556
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 1: big kickbacks and make a lot of money off it.

1557
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: Is that is that really the issue?

1558
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 4: Well, that could be part of it. Nobody it had.

1559
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 4: It's an orphan in that sense, it has no uh

1560
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:10,560
Speaker 4: you know, parent to push it.

1561
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 3: Uh.

1562
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 4: Now that if you look at the website that I

1563
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 4: have Tubes for Life dot o RG all one word

1564
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 4: Tubes for Life, there's about five results on there and

1565
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 4: they're all wound healing results with most of them are

1566
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 4: diabetics or with toes. So the people that are having

1567
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 4: having amputations and things, there's these pictures that are right

1568
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 4: there on the on the website of people that were

1569
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 4: scheduled for amputations and they're healed. They don't need an amputation.

1570
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 4: They just needed some some treatment more than what they

1571
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 4: were getting.

1572
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 3: So it's.

1573
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,400
Speaker 4: And for you know, for whatever reason. Uh you know, uh,

1574
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 4: the dentists know it, like I said, because anything you do,

1575
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 4: if you're doing any kind of surgery, you look great,

1576
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:06,879
Speaker 4: man healed. Yeah, you know, it's like the best insurance

1577
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 4: policy ever for five bucks.

1578
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, you were showing me pictures of these gravy

1579
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: sucking wounds on people's bodies, on their feet and on

1580
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 1: their hands and on their toes, and then the progression

1581
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: of the healing is just amazing. With a simple injection.

1582
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 4: Some people, yeah, some people are on in some cases

1583
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 4: making a membrane and just laying the membrane over it.

1584
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 4: As if you take the liquid PRF and you put

1585
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 4: it in a form or just a tray with a

1586
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 4: form and let it set for fifteen minutes, it'll form,

1587
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:46,639
Speaker 4: it'll it will clot eventually, and you have this really

1588
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 4: nice membrane that you can take out and just lay

1589
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 4: over the wound.

1590
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 1: And it becomes healthy human skin again. Ultimately. Yeah, yeah,

1591
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: it's amazing.

1592
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 4: It truly is. And in the joints the I work

1593
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 4: with the Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics in Kiev and

1594
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 4: they've had tremendous results injecting joints. So where you were

1595
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 4: so where you might be injecting joints with steroids, they're

1596
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 4: injecting them with t r.

1597
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: F Tubes for Life dot org t U b E

1598
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: s F O R L I f E dot org,

1599
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:27,799
Speaker 1: where you can see the pictures and see the results

1600
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:31,760
Speaker 1: of this incredible PRF therapy that doctor Jim Wade is

1601
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: now doing in Ukraine with the Orthopedics and and helping

1602
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: people fresh off the battlefield in that wartim country. I

1603
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 1: wish you godspeed and come back to us safe and

1604
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: and I hope you'll be able to phone in an

1605
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: update soon. But are time's done tonight?

1606
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 4: Doc? Well, we may have a you may have an

1607
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 4: international correspondent. How's that?

1608
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: That would be awesome, That would be awesome. We'll work

1609
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: it out DOT to Jim Waite of Again Laser Care

1610
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: of Northern Kentucky and Tubes Forlife dot org on his

1611
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: way back to Ukraine to help in a time of

1612
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 1: trauma and war. Wow, the wild Man is coming up

1613
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: next round and third heading for home. As the old

1614
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,760
Speaker 1: left hander used to say. Only I'm not the old

1615
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,320
Speaker 1: left hander, and he's not Marty Brenneman. He's the wild Man.

1616
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Walker with you as we close out this

1617
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:34,719
Speaker 1: Monday night cap. It's time for the wild Man's Corner

1618
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:41,759
Speaker 1: of Goo. The Goo continues through a horrible Bengals season,

1619
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: and but there are other things to discuss, and we're

1620
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: going to discuss other things for a moment first tonight.

1621
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: Hello wild Man, how are you.

1622
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. I'm doing great.

1623
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 7: I'm in a good mood.

1624
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:52,719
Speaker 4: I'm in a good mood.

1625
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,639
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well we'll find out what that's all about

1626
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: here in just a second. I guess we were talking

1627
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 1: last week about the Reds Hall of Fame and how

1628
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 1: the choices that we were given were number one, way

1629
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:12,479
Speaker 1: too extensive and did not include and maybe he should

1630
01:40:12,479 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 1: have included some people in particular, and one of those

1631
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 1: people was the long serving clubhouse manager Bernie Stowe. Well

1632
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: you sent me this today. He's been honored in twenty

1633
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: twenty five in the MLB Clubhouse Manager's Hall of Fame.

1634
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: Why is he not in the Reds Hall of Fame?

1635
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 4: Wild Man, Well, that's a very good question, Gary Jeff.

1636
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 7: This goes back to when Marty Brenahan was inducted into

1637
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 7: the Baseball Hall of Fame and wasn't inducted into the

1638
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,639
Speaker 7: Reds Hall of Fame, and then eventually was Bernie can't

1639
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 7: be nominated because he wasn't a player. It's only for

1640
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:55,759
Speaker 7: players and executives. But again, you know, Marty was finally

1641
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:57,720
Speaker 7: inducted into the Reds Hall of Fame, and this is

1642
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 7: where Bernie Stowe should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

1643
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:05,679
Speaker 7: He has one of just seven inaugural equipment managers honored

1644
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 7: this year. I mean, this is this is the first

1645
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 7: time honor and he is one of seven guys. I

1646
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,560
Speaker 7: saw the old Cubs clubhouse manager, Yosh Kwano. If you

1647
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,799
Speaker 7: remember Yosh, sometimes you would see him in the dugout

1648
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 7: wearing one of those bucket hats, and he had been

1649
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 7: a quip manager for the Cubs forever. But Bernie forty

1650
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 7: five years as the Reds clubhouse manager, he's seen it all.

1651
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 7: And on top of that, before that, Gary Jeff He

1652
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 7: was the Reds bat boy. I've got baseball cards of

1653
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,639
Speaker 7: him as the bat boy back in the fifties before

1654
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 7: he was even clubhouse manager. So it's way over due

1655
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 7: to the redinue. Go wake it up, wake up, get

1656
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 7: their heads out of their butts. And then Doug Bernie

1657
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:44,760
Speaker 7: Stow this year into the Reds Hall of Fame. When

1658
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 7: I go to Reds and when I go to redsvest

1659
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 7: in January, I'm gonna be raising hell about that to

1660
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 7: a few Reds officials when I see him.

1661
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: He was a part of four World Series winners with

1662
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 1: the Reds in nineteen seventy and.

1663
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,440
Speaker 7: Then the seventy five, seventy six to ninety.

1664
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Yes, so I mean he and he played an integral role.

1665
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Everybody knew Bernie Stowe, and Bernie Stowe was the man

1666
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,799
Speaker 1: who made sure the players had what they needed equipment

1667
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 1: wise and just player comfort wise. Anything he could do

1668
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: for the Reds he was there to do and he

1669
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 1: always did. And it's it's a family legacy that extends

1670
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 1: to this day.

1671
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 4: I got no.

1672
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 7: Argument from me, man, Like I said, I mean, forty

1673
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:34,599
Speaker 7: five years he saw it all. If he wrote a book,

1674
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,719
Speaker 7: it would have been a New York Times.

1675
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:37,960
Speaker 4: Bestseller of the stuff that he saw.

1676
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 7: But he kept his mouth shut. You know, you know,

1677
01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 7: what says in the club what says in the clubhouse

1678
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 7: stays in the clubhouse. I mean, you know the Pete

1679
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 7: Rose scandal. Who knows what else went on and went

1680
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 7: on and we'll never know about that that Bernie took.

1681
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 4: To his grave.

1682
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 7: But he really deserves to be and this should catapault

1683
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 7: This should catapault Bernie into the Reds Hall of Fame

1684
01:42:58,280 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 7: with this induction in Cooper Center.

1685
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 4: Really should they should?

1686
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: Well, if the Reds Hall of Fame is only eligible

1687
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: for players in management, why is Marty Brenneman in?

1688
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 4: Wellness, there you go.

1689
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 7: Well, then they finally, well because Marty Brenneman got into

1690
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 7: the Baseball Hall of Fame first, and the Reds went, well,

1691
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,120
Speaker 7: wait a minute, he should be in our Hall of Fame, right,

1692
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 7: And then they made the right choice. Oh, I know

1693
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 7: Marty Brennan, and I know Marty Brenneman would tell you

1694
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 7: right now that Bernie should be in there.

1695
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh sure, no, I can hear Marty Brenneman.

1696
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 7: Uh, with the you know, Hall of Fame, you know

1697
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 7: that they've got the players, the nominees that they've had.

1698
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 7: This is you and Bernie should go in with Francisco

1699
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 7: Cordero and what Brendan Phillips. There should be three guys

1700
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 7: that go in.

1701
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1702
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,680
Speaker 1: I agreed with you last week when you made the

1703
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 1: case for Bernie Stowe to be a member of the

1704
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: Reds Hall of Fame. So let's uh, let's switch gears.

1705
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I heard that you were recently seen in a Cyclones

1706
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: hockey game. Is that true?

1707
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1708
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 7: I went two two weeks ago. Two weeks ago on

1709
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 7: a Saturday, I ran into your rand to one of

1710
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 7: your buddies. Yeah, Lou, Yeah, I ran in to Lou.

1711
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 4: Yes.

1712
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Do you know that there's a man named Ken Carly

1713
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 1: who was a volunteer and often works the penalty box

1714
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: for the Cyclones, And he works with another guy named Joe.

1715
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:20,600
Speaker 1: There an older guy named Joe who's right now on

1716
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 1: some kind of British Columbia train vacation with his wife.

1717
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: So he didn't make the last weekend. But yeah, I

1718
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 1: know a bunch of guys who work Cyclones games, and uh,

1719
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: I actually have a Cyclones connection besides you, and I

1720
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: know that for years you were one of the big,

1721
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 1: big time supporters, But you made it the other night.

1722
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: Was there something special about the other night?

1723
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:46,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

1724
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 7: Absolutely. The Iowa Highlanders were in town, coached by Chuck Weber,

1725
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 7: who won the two Kelly Cups with the Cyclone.

1726
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 4: So I went.

1727
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 7: I really went because I wanted to see Chuck after

1728
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:58,519
Speaker 7: the game. And I saw a sault Chuck after the game.

1729
01:44:58,560 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 7: I thought it, Did I send you a pick?

1730
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 4: Sure?

1731
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 7: I don't know if my dinner.

1732
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:03,639
Speaker 4: No, No, But I saw Chuck.

1733
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,080
Speaker 7: But I saw Chuck after the game, yes, And we

1734
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 7: talked about, you know, why they you know, briefly, I'm

1735
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 7: not going to go into it, but briefly about why

1736
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 7: they didn't hire him when they had the chance to

1737
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 7: bring him back and they decided to go a different direction.

1738
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 7: And I'm not going to go into it. I'll tell

1739
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:20,320
Speaker 7: you off the air, but I'm not going to tell

1740
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,600
Speaker 7: you on the air because there's something private between.

1741
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 4: Me and Chuck.

1742
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:26,640
Speaker 7: But again, and of course, you know Friday night, Friday night,

1743
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 7: I had to work the Indian Hill in the Hill

1744
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 7: football game, so I couldn't go. And the Cyclones one,

1745
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:35,360
Speaker 7: I believe it was nine to two, and I think

1746
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,760
Speaker 7: I guess Chuck got into I got into the guys

1747
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:41,599
Speaker 7: pretty good because Saturday nights I'll return to favorite one

1748
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 7: to seven the two. So so that's why I went

1749
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 7: to see Chuck. And they come back in March for

1750
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 7: a two game series and I'll probably go either one.

1751
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 7: Hopefully I go both games and see Chuck again.

1752
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 1: I know you do the PA stuff for Indian Hills football.

1753
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: How things worked out for Indian Hills this year?

1754
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 4: Wild Man, we're undefeated.

1755
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 7: Man, We're undefeated. We're now playing the semi final regional.

1756
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 7: On on Friday, we played Valley View at Fairfield Stadium.

1757
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 7: Valley View, I think they're out of Germantown. We had

1758
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 7: an unbelievable game Friday night against Taff. I mean we

1759
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 7: were dominating Taff from the outset and then we let Tam.

1760
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 4: Kind of get back in the game.

1761
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 7: Gary Jeff Taff is down on the one yard line.

1762
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 7: The clock is winding down to the one minute mark,

1763
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 7: and they fumbled the ball at the one yard line

1764
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 7: and they went into the end zone and Jackson Fry

1765
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 7: fell on the ball. That's a one in a million

1766
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 7: chance that the game would end like that, fumbling the

1767
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 7: ball in the one yard line. Take it in, gonna

1768
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 7: win the game, and we recovered the fumble, took two

1769
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 7: knees and got out of there with the win twenty

1770
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 7: five to nineteen.

1771
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 1: So it's been a pretty good darn sir season if

1772
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:56,520
Speaker 1: you're an Indian Hill football alum or player.

1773
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:58,400
Speaker 7: Or it's been a tremendous season.

1774
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 1: Yes, they attribute any any of the success to you.

1775
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 7: No, no they don't.

1776
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 4: No, they don't.

1777
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 7: But but if the boys can go all the way,

1778
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 7: I would think I would get a ring, he says,

1779
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 7: I'm involved with the program.

1780
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 1: Well, you expect a ring if they win a state championship.

1781
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 7: Yes, I would expect a ring from my good buddy,

1782
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 7: A Fling director Brian Phelps, just I would.

1783
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:23,639
Speaker 1: Will there be a lot of goo for the wild

1784
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,360
Speaker 1: man if you don't get a ring?

1785
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 7: I have no, I have no. There's no doubt in

1786
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 7: my mind that the Indian Hill Braves win this, win

1787
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 7: the state championship, that I will get a ring.

1788
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 4: There's no doubt.

1789
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 1: That's wonderful.

1790
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 7: Okay, then, and that'll be three rings I've had. I

1791
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 7: got cyclones rings from the two Kelly Cup championships, and

1792
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 7: then I'd have another one.

1793
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,120
Speaker 4: For a football championship.

1794
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 7: And I should have had one this past year for

1795
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,439
Speaker 7: baseball and this year going in the baseball season. Uh,

1796
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 7: there's a damn good chance that we could win the

1797
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 7: state championship for Indian Hill Baseball.

1798
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: The best announcer money can pay for wild Man at

1799
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 1: Indian Hill this Friday night playoff game. This is a

1800
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: semifinal round, wild Man.

1801
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, your regional semi final against Valetvue at Fairfield Stadium.

1802
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 7: So we don't really have to travel very far. You know,

1803
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 7: the last two games because we won the Cincinnati Hills League,

1804
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 7: we got to host two games at home. So now

1805
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,959
Speaker 7: we go on the road and go into Fairfield.

1806
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 4: It's nothing.

1807
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 7: I mean, we shall have a lot of fans come

1808
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 7: out there for that game.

1809
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: All right, wild Man, I tell you what, Sit back,

1810
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 1: take a break for a moment, and we'll come back

1811
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 1: and talk about some other things.

1812
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what we're going to talk about.

1813
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 1: The wild Man on the Nightcap continues in moments on

1814
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW with wild Man Walker talking about revenge

1815
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:50,000
Speaker 1: for last year's Indian Hills game against Taft. The Braves

1816
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,519
Speaker 1: got it back last weekend. In advance, as we were

1817
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 1: talking about just a few moments ago, wild Man, what's

1818
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 1: happening with thes.

1819
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:05,560
Speaker 7: W Where are you wanting to start well? One of

1820
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,720
Speaker 7: seven without Joe Burrow. They've now tied the record for

1821
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 7: giving up twenty seven points per game. The record's going

1822
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 7: to be broken on the Sunday when the Patriots come

1823
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:19,640
Speaker 7: to town. Because the Patriots are the best team. They

1824
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 7: might not be, may might be the best team in

1825
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 7: all of football the way they're playing with their MVP quarterback.

1826
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 7: And then you've got, of course, the everybody's talking about it.

1827
01:49:28,280 --> 01:49:31,639
Speaker 7: Everybody around the water cooler is talking about it. Jamar

1828
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,800
Speaker 7: Chase and Jalen Ramsey getting into it. Uh, Jamar Chase

1829
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 7: spitting and then denying that he didn't do it, but

1830
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 7: the camera cleary shows that he spit a Jalen Ramsey.

1831
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,920
Speaker 7: And I expect maybe a two game suspension only for

1832
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:47,400
Speaker 7: the fact that he denied it on camera that he

1833
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 7: didn't do it, when the camera clearly shows that he

1834
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,639
Speaker 7: did spit Jalen Ramsey. And we know in the heat

1835
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 7: of the battle the guys say stuff and push stuff

1836
01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:57,680
Speaker 7: and then just say things. But you don't spit on

1837
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 7: a guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's just so low.

1838
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:01,519
Speaker 4: It's just so low.

1839
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:05,560
Speaker 1: This isn't this is this is an old feud that

1840
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 1: goes back to the Super Bowl with the Rams, doesn't it. Yeah,

1841
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: between Ramsey and Chase.

1842
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 4: Right, I believe so.

1843
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's a feud, but they you know,

1844
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 7: they like to talk a lot. But you just don't

1845
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:20,560
Speaker 7: spin on a guy. Man, you don't do that. And

1846
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 7: I don't blame Ramsey. Were coming back and punching them now,

1847
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 7: punching him.

1848
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 4: In the face.

1849
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 7: Whether your hand is kind of dull, because that's why

1850
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 7: that mask is there and you can break your damn hand,

1851
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 7: but just you know, come on, that's just he's And

1852
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:35,679
Speaker 7: then to deny it, I mean, you know, he should

1853
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 7: have just said no comment, to just spend no comment.

1854
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: That would have been the best way.

1855
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 4: I didn't spin on the guy.

1856
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 7: Just nineteen video show.

1857
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:44,720
Speaker 3: That he did.

1858
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: I saw the video. I've seen, not Channel nineteen somebody

1859
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: else's video. I've seen it. It's obviously happened, and Ramsey reacted,

1860
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: maybe not in kind, but he reacted, and he's the

1861
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: one that got thrown out of the game. The fact

1862
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 1: of the matter is is this is so, this is

1863
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: so against the character of what you usually see from

1864
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. I think that's the biggest shocking thing about this.

1865
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is usually he may talk, but he's not

1866
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 1: the kind of guy to highlight himself in a negative way.

1867
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: It's usually in a positive way. And I think part

1868
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 1: of that frustration was the fact that he could get

1869
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 1: no traction and couldn't get the targets he wanted for

1870
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,920
Speaker 1: the routes he was running, and it all just builds up.

1871
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 1: And I think that was out of character for Jamar Chase,

1872
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 1: don't you.

1873
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:38,920
Speaker 7: Oh, I think it's out of character. Yeah, but you

1874
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 7: got to give the Steelers. The Steelers came out and

1875
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,559
Speaker 7: this time, instead of playing one on one, they played

1876
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 7: his own and Zach Taylor had no clue how to

1877
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:48,720
Speaker 7: deal with his own defense great clue. On top of

1878
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:52,000
Speaker 7: that with this a lousy time management. So I'm sure

1879
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 7: Chase was a very, very frustrated. But you just don't

1880
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 7: go and spit on a guy. I mean, Gary Jemmens,

1881
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,559
Speaker 7: somebody spit on you. You retaliate in some way when

1882
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 7: you at least push the guy, you know, when you're like,

1883
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 7: you know, head button or something. I mean, that's just wrong.

1884
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,599
Speaker 7: And he's not gonna He's not he might get two games.

1885
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 7: He might get two games for this because, like I said,

1886
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 7: he denied that he did it when it was on camera.

1887
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,600
Speaker 7: I want it and go back to Jalen Ramsey, you know.

1888
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:21,160
Speaker 7: And then you're talking about how Jamorrow's got of a

1889
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 7: low key guy. Remember Aj Green getting into it with

1890
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 7: Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Jay Green is pretty

1891
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 7: much of a calm guy. But he got tired of

1892
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:33,240
Speaker 7: being you know, pushed around or hitting the back and

1893
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 7: that kind of stuff. And eventually he eventually retaliated. And

1894
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:40,080
Speaker 7: I don't know if Aj Green got the sky. I

1895
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 7: think he did. I think he didn't get suspended for

1896
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:42,679
Speaker 7: a game.

1897
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 1: Well, one thing leads to another, I mean, but Abby,

1898
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:50,679
Speaker 1: the common denominator in these these different incidents you're talking

1899
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:55,560
Speaker 1: about is Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey is doing something to

1900
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:59,519
Speaker 1: get under these guys who usually calm demeanor, usually good

1901
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 1: temper men. Skin What's what's Jalen Ramsey doing behind the

1902
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:08,280
Speaker 1: scenes that we can't see on camera, wild man, that's

1903
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 1: the question.

1904
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 7: Maybe some of this will come out to light and

1905
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:16,960
Speaker 7: when when Jamar Chase has his hearing with the Director

1906
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:20,280
Speaker 7: of Discipline of the National of Football League.

1907
01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1908
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:24,760
Speaker 7: But and then and let's say Jamar doesn't play on

1909
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 7: Sunday against the Patriots. He might appeal and whatnot, and

1910
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:31,040
Speaker 7: it doesn't got it really gonna matter? And Gary, Jeff,

1911
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 7: we have seven more, seven more games, seven more games

1912
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 7: to watch. Oh and the only winnable games that I

1913
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:40,759
Speaker 7: see on the schedule winnable or Arizona and the Browns,

1914
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 7: that's it. If they're lucky, and if they they're not

1915
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 7: going to beat the Patriots on Sunday, And that should

1916
01:53:47,240 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 7: runton for all. Shut all these idiots up out there

1917
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:51,960
Speaker 7: that Joe Burrow should play.

1918
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely zero reason to risk your

1919
01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. If you are well on your way to

1920
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 1: being a five win team, what's the point? Why are

1921
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:10,320
Speaker 1: you going to push that point? And and and perhaps

1922
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 1: suffer another injury by the guy who obviously matters more

1923
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 1: than any other player on your team, Joe Burrow.

1924
01:54:18,160 --> 01:54:21,000
Speaker 7: And this, and this falls directly I think at the

1925
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:23,799
Speaker 7: bottom line, it's not Joe Burrow, it's not Zach Taylor.

1926
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 7: Mike Brown has to make that decision. And Mike Brown says, Joe,

1927
01:54:28,640 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 7: you're too valuable. I know you want to play. I

1928
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 7: know you think you're you're healthy enough. The doctors have said, okay, no, no,

1929
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 7: we got you know that the window is still there.

1930
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 7: We don't need to get hurt in the season that

1931
01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 7: is lost.

1932
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree. So other than that, I mean,

1933
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,720
Speaker 1: they didn't show us anything different. Uh, the defense may

1934
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: have bucked up a little bit compared to their previous Uh,

1935
01:54:54,080 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 1: you know performances. Pittsburgh is not exactly a juggernaut and

1936
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is not the player he used to be, obviously,

1937
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 1: and yet uh, the Bengals once again got drubbed.

1938
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 7: And this time, well they couldn't they couldn't. They couldn't,

1939
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,360
Speaker 7: you know, make a play when they had to again

1940
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 7: when they needed the defensive play, they couldn't make it.

1941
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 7: And you saw a lot of lousy tackling once again.

1942
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 3: Uh in the game.

1943
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,680
Speaker 1: You know, wild man, wild man, I would settle for

1944
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: lousy tackling. But there's been no tackling most of the

1945
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:37,600
Speaker 1: season by that Bengals defense. I'd settle for a lousy

1946
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 1: tackling over the tackling or lack of tackling we've seen.

1947
01:55:42,440 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 7: That's they leave the league in miss tackles.

1948
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's not lousy. That's not lousy tackling. That's

1949
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: no tackling.

1950
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 7: It's it's like I said that, they've already they've already

1951
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 7: tied the record for giving up the most points and

1952
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:01,840
Speaker 7: now they're gonna set down record. Garantee, you you can

1953
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 7: bet the house. You can bet your first born come

1954
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 7: Sunday when they play the Patriots.

1955
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 1: I saw our girl Caitlyn Clark at the Anaka Anika

1956
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 1: pro Am last week, looking good on the golf course.

1957
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 1: Wild man.

1958
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 4: I tell you what.

1959
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I think she's healed up and just looking for something

1960
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:23,839
Speaker 1: else physically to do, waiting for the next w NBA season.

1961
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,440
Speaker 1: But you know all about my girl, Caitlin.

1962
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:28,240
Speaker 7: You know that, Well that would be nice, That would

1963
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 7: be nice for that league.

1964
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:30,040
Speaker 4: They could really use her.

1965
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:33,520
Speaker 7: I mean this past season I chipped it out just

1966
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 7: a little bit. But you I just want to watch

1967
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 7: her play and hopefully she's healthy and ready to go.

1968
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 7: And I think she made the right decision just to

1969
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 7: sit out and get healthy, kind of like what a

1970
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,720
Speaker 7: guy by name of Joe Burrow.

1971
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:44,720
Speaker 4: How to do. Yeah.

1972
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:48,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, in the w NBA, it's not that

1973
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:53,720
Speaker 1: they're missing layups because of gambling spreads. They just like

1974
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 1: to miss Layups.

1975
01:56:58,640 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 7: I gets what you're going after.

1976
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:02,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, wild man, it's always good to chat

1977
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 1: with you, and thanks for taking time this evening. We

1978
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 1: will we will rendezvous hopefully next Monday night again before Thanksgiving.

1979
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 7: Okay, yes, oh, let's keep beating the drum there for

1980
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 7: Bernie Stove, for the Reds Hall of Fame, and.

1981
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:20,920
Speaker 1: Beat it hard. Absolutely, you beat it hard on your

1982
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 1: own time, wild Man. Thank you so much, and with

1983
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:28,080
Speaker 1: that we say farewell and good evening to you, and

1984
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: we conclude with the playing of our national anthem, the

1985
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:36,840
Speaker 1: only national anthem, the Star Spangled Banner, now on seven

1986
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 1: hundred WLW