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Speaker 1: up the headlines. Bengals back on the practice field today,

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Speaker 1: working on Sunday's matchup versus the Bears at pay Corps.

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Speaker 1: the Bears top four wide receivers did not practice today,

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Speaker 1: out former UC quarterback Des Ritter. The Roundtable show moves

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Speaker 1: us for a couple hours of football conversation. The Lions

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Speaker 1: see Bearcats started ramping up work on number twenty four

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Speaker 1: seven thirty drop of the Puck. College basketball Xavier opens

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Speaker 1: the season Monday versus Merris at home. Coach Richard Patino

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Speaker 1: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chervallet seven hundred WLW six

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Speaker 1: Let's talk some hoops. My next guest ready to officially

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Speaker 1: embark on his first season at Xavier when the Musketeers

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Speaker 1: Catching up with you and hearing your voice. Uh, let's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean year one is always a little bit

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Speaker 1: You've had an exhibition game against Murray State, scrimmage against Toledo.

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Speaker 5: I think people are still trying to figure out how

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Speaker 5: and you know, there's a bunch. I mean, we've had

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Speaker 5: He could score his left hand, his right hand. He's older,

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Speaker 5: we're very, very lucky to have him. He competes his

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Speaker 1: Xavier fans have been accustomed to seeing that pack line

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Speaker 4: We were able to generate turnovers. You know, that doesn't

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Speaker 5: Be flying all over the place like bad men, but

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Speaker 4: So I'm not anti the pack.

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Speaker 5: Line by any means, but we just had kind of

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Speaker 5: a different style to what we try to do.

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Speaker 4: You know, we feel that it works.

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Speaker 5: You know, obviously it's going to be a work in

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Speaker 5: progress with the personnel, but I guess the difference is

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Speaker 1: I know you're incredibly busy. I appreciate you making time.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck and the opener and the rest of

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, right, Take care there you go, Coach Richard Patino,

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Speaker 1: Xavier Musketeers, Monday night, Maris seven point fifteen from Sintas Center.

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Speaker 1: up with coach hang Tight. We'll catch up with Skinny,

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Speaker 1: Making time tonight. Let's start with the news of the

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Speaker 6: you know, eighty some odd drop backs and uh, you know,

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Speaker 6: they still have to they still have to protect for

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Speaker 6: a lot of times in the game, and they dropped

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Speaker 6: back to pass so much. So yeah, I don't honestly,

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Speaker 6: there's no real answer than they're.

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Speaker 4: Just playing better.

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Speaker 1: Jamar obviously has been incredible and heavily targeted. Did the

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Speaker 1: two t targets on Sun they raise an eyebrow?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 6: Did you know? I know the Jets were, you know,

442
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Speaker 6: trying to take both of them away. But you know,

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Speaker 6: if I'm taking one away, no offense to t Higgins.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna focus my taking away on Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 6: not Tea. And so Jamar got plenty of targets and

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Speaker 6: had plenty of catches. He had two targets, Andre Yoshibash

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Speaker 6: had three. Look, I know Andre was probably single covered

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Speaker 6: more often. That last play at the end of the game,

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Speaker 6: they did double both team and Jamar. Jamar talked about

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Speaker 6: that and Andre was the place to go with it. But

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Speaker 6: in what world did you sign t Higgins in this

452
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Speaker 6: contract and he only gets two targets? That just seems

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Speaker 6: to be crazy to me, Like, and it feels like

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Speaker 6: it's kind of been that way almost all year, where

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Speaker 6: he seems kind of invisible at times. And listen, he

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Speaker 6: is a clear number two to Jamar Chase. Let's not

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Speaker 6: forget that. But you didn't pay him like a clear

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Speaker 6: number two. You paid him like a one A. And

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Speaker 6: if you're gonna pay him like a one a, then

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Speaker 6: you better find a way. I mean, honestly, you better

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Speaker 6: throw four jump balls to him again just to get

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Speaker 6: him extra targets. In my opinion, why did you resign him?

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Speaker 1: Do you see Yoshi's snaps declining? And if so, who

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Speaker 1: assumes those snaps?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question because we you know, we

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Speaker 6: asked both Pitch and I think Zach either Monday or today,

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Speaker 6: and we asked Pitch today of you know, do you

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Speaker 6: still have confidence Andre and they both expressed their confidence.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't expect them to say anything otherwise publicly, but

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Speaker 6: it's hard not to. I mean, that last play is

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Speaker 6: an example of kind of how his years gone. He

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Speaker 6: doesn't get much separation. It was a contested catch. I

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Speaker 6: think we can agree with that. It was not a

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Speaker 6: you know, he wasn't wide open. It wasn't wide open

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Speaker 6: because he didn't get separation, and then it was a

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Speaker 6: contested catch that he couldn't quite haul in. He's had

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Speaker 6: some issues with some drops. I mean, it's hard not

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Speaker 6: to like the kid, but at some point, like has

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Speaker 6: nothing to do with this. I can't imagine you don't

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Speaker 6: give Mitchell Tin's a little bit more on. I think

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Speaker 6: it'd be silly not to, just because you know, Andre's

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Speaker 6: not producing, and uh, you know, I I think there's

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Speaker 6: a there's a role where they'd like to get Jermaine

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Speaker 6: Burden on the field, and Jermaine keeps probably stubbing his

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Speaker 6: foot to nutget on the field, and so there's that issue,

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Speaker 6: and and so it's it's really it's either Mitchell Tinsley

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Speaker 6: or him. I mean, maybe if Mike Kasicki was healthy,

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Speaker 6: you could might put Mike in that role, but Mike's

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Speaker 6: not healthy. So yeah, I think the next man up

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Speaker 6: would be Mitchell Tinsley. And I think you need to

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Speaker 6: see more.

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Speaker 1: Of that to be honest with you, all Right, last question.

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Speaker 1: They're three and five, there's nine games left. I saw

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Speaker 1: a new win total today posted for them at seven

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Speaker 1: and a half. If you were Terry Rozier, would you

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Speaker 1: bet over or under on that total?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? The other thing is I don't have control of

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Speaker 6: this like Terry totals, man.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the one thing he had gone for.

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Speaker 6: He could determine what those totals were going to be.

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Speaker 1: That would be five, and that'd be five and four

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Speaker 1: the rest of the way to go over.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they. I think they do because I

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Speaker 6: think they win this week. I think Flacco is at

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Speaker 6: least back for the Pittsburgh game, and they have as

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Speaker 6: chot to go. Believe it or not, they win this week.

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Speaker 6: There is a world in which Pittsburgh is four and

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Speaker 6: five and the Bengals are four and five playing at

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Speaker 6: Pittsburgh for first place or at least to keep the

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Speaker 6: raven Heck, the Ravens might be four and five to

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Speaker 6: that point two, but you'd be playing head to head

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Speaker 6: to see which one of you goes to five and five.

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Speaker 6: That's the goofy part. I mean, nine wins can win

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Speaker 6: this division. And the question is then you're asking can

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Speaker 6: they hit the seven and a half. Can they get

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Speaker 6: denying there's a world where they can. There's also a

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Speaker 6: world where they win two more games the rest of

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Speaker 6: the way, because this defense is just so horrific.

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Speaker 1: All right, what are you working on? And how can

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Speaker 1: listeners read and watch all you have going on?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, just go to Local twelve dot com slash spars.

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Speaker 6: I got the Joe Flacco story up today and kind

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Speaker 6: of the confidence they again have in Jake Browning. And

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Speaker 6: then tomorrow Lance. I did this today. I was gonna

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Speaker 6: post today if the Joe Flacko news had to come out.

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Speaker 6: I redrafted the Bengals first three picks this year just

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Speaker 6: because I wanted to just see who you could go with,

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Speaker 6: and it took me in a direction where it wasn't

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Speaker 6: completely off base. And the three picks make a whole

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Speaker 6: lot of sense, and it makes you wonder what are

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Speaker 6: they doing in the draft room on draft night?

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait. I will read it at Local

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Speaker 1: twelve dot com. You're a good man. I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you particularly all right, there you go, Richard Skinner.

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Speaker 1: Check it in tonight with a little uh Bengals info.

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Speaker 1: When we continue, we'll run a two minute drill with

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Speaker 1: what Zach said today and more. Then it's seven oh

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Speaker 1: eight tonight, I've got a topic specifically for a Bearcat

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Speaker 1: football fan to react to. Then are Reds Question number

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Speaker 1: three of the off season coming up around seven thirty

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Speaker 1: five or so. It's Arnt Well. I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: all that. It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey

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Speaker 1: Chevalete seven hundred WLW. Man we're flying for this first

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Speaker 1: of three tonight. Thanks for making your way here. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed. Richard Patino if you missed it podcast,

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Speaker 1: he's upright now. Also Richard Skinner from Local twelve Talking

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Speaker 1: Bengals That will be up podcast, couple of spots seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW dot com and through the iHeart Radio app.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Joe Flacco's uncertainty in terms of his

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Speaker 1: status for Sunday with Richard Skinner. Let's run the two

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Speaker 1: minute drill. Actually a little bit less than a two

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Speaker 1: minute drill. Here is Zach earlier today answering that line

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Speaker 1: of questioning about his starting quarterback.

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Speaker 7: We'll see what we can potentially get out of him tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: So we'll just work through the week. I think right

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Speaker 7: now is probably in a fifty to fifty on on

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Speaker 7: what will end.

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Speaker 3: Up on Sunday.

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Speaker 7: Does he need the I mean you've seen, you've seen

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Speaker 7: what he's done. Came in played on a Thursday, you know,

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Speaker 7: after three days of practice. So I think if anybody,

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Speaker 7: if anybody in this league can get by with minimal

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Speaker 7: reps right now, it's it's tim.

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Speaker 8: If he didn't practice for that at all, If physically

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Speaker 8: he could go Sunday, you would still leave.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And we've got a plan in place to see

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Speaker 7: what we can do physically during the week. So he

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Speaker 7: won't be today, he won't be out there during the

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Speaker 7: open portion of things. He'll come out after that, but

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Speaker 7: we got a plan in place to see where he's

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Speaker 7: at as the week goes.

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Speaker 3: The jobs today joint, I'm trying to play.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, he wants to play in the game,

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Speaker 7: and so kudos to him. Man, he's been here three weeks.

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Speaker 7: He wants to play. I hate speaking for him, but

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Speaker 7: that's what he's told me. We'll have to work through

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Speaker 7: the week to see if that's that's able to do that.

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Speaker 7: It's a throwing shoulder. It's painful, but I mean, k

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Speaker 7: a guy who wants to do that, wants to get

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Speaker 7: out there and play with something like that.

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Speaker 1: Credit to him.

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Speaker 7: So we'll go through the week and see what it

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Speaker 7: ends up and have Jake ready to go to and

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Speaker 7: and just see how it plays out. You feel like

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Speaker 7: responded since Yeah, I've been having to Jake's response. He's

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Speaker 7: still working hard. If he's in there and he gets

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Speaker 7: the opportunity, I have confidence in Jake that Jaken wins

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Speaker 7: the game. So however, shakes out will have great point

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Speaker 7: in place to help those guys.

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Speaker 1: Can you elaborate kind of what you mean kind of

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Speaker 1: the whole kudos to him. Point about Flacco just getting

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Speaker 1: here and wanted to.

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Speaker 7: Play, Yeah, I mean he's been He wasn't here in

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Speaker 7: the off season. He wasn't invested in our training camp,

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Speaker 7: you know, and so for him to come in and

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Speaker 7: it would be easy to make a decision that there's

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Speaker 7: no way I'm playing. I've got an acy joint, we

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Speaker 7: got a bye week next week. Let's just let this

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Speaker 7: thing heel up. And that has not been the communication

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Speaker 7: he's given to me at all. Now, ultimately he may

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Speaker 7: not be able to play, We may make that decision,

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Speaker 7: but for him just to want to put it out

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Speaker 7: there for our team himself. Like he said before, he's

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Speaker 7: just a football player.

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Speaker 1: That's what he did.

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Speaker 4: That goes along with me.

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor earlier today. All right, let's end the hour

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Speaker 1: with this. Sammy Riggs is a singer songwriter from dry Ridge, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: Kelly and I big fans of Sammy Riggs. Seen her

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Speaker 1: at the Southgate House, among a couple of different spots

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Speaker 1: around the city. I was passed this. I got this

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Speaker 1: by email from a listener. I wish I could remember

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Speaker 1: his name. I'm thank him for it.

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Speaker 3: But she does.

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Speaker 1: In addition to the singing, songwriting and appearances around the area,

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Speaker 1: she does parody songs as well. She did a parody

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Speaker 1: song this week to Alanis Morissett's Ironic for the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this effort.

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Speaker 9: Pology how check and the drops on a floor though,

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Speaker 9: and isn't ass don't it's changing, all dame.

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Speaker 6: It's arch crime.

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Speaker 1: When their lasses the.

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Speaker 9: Barsides to call any day.

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Speaker 1: This today was botched.

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Speaker 4: It figures.

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Speaker 1: Since night they have a funny, funny way of letting uster.

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Speaker 10: Letting upsta.

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Speaker 1: From Sammy Riggs.

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Speaker 6: I like it.

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Speaker 1: That's one hour in the books hang tight. We'll turn

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Speaker 1: the corner. Seven o'clock hour. I've got a question about

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Speaker 1: Scott Saturfield. I do I want to say that has

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Speaker 1: have you been swayed by Sadderfield?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 1: After news, It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet,

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Speaker 1: and eight pm. All right, here we go, turning into

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Speaker 1: Whatell your producer. We thank you for being listeners to

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Speaker 1: this tonight. You've got me until nine and it's Dan Carolyn.

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Speaker 1: He'll take you nine to midnight. Busy first hour, Richard

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Speaker 1: Patino talking Xavier Musketeers, Richard Skinner talking Cincinnati Bengals. In

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Speaker 1: this hour, I'll split the hour. Some reds are our

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Speaker 1: third offseason question of the year, coming up at seven

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Speaker 1: thirty five. But to begin this hour, oh first two things.

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Speaker 1: York Post reporting the Minnesota Twins are hiring Derek Shelton

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Speaker 1: as their next manager. Derek Shelton was the manager of

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates until game number thirty eight of this

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Speaker 1: season when he was fired. They were twelve and twenty

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Speaker 1: six when they fired him, he was into his sixth

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Speaker 1: season with the Pirates, had not had a winning season

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Speaker 1: in those seasons. The Twins name him their manager today,

655
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Speaker 1: and if your initial reaction is why would they do that?

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Speaker 1: He was their bench coach in Minneapolis with the Twins

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, obviously highly thought of

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Speaker 1: within the organization. Derek Shelton is your new manager of

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins.

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Speaker 6: I'm on X.

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Speaker 1: I would very much appreciate you following at Lance Pacallister.

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Speaker 1: If you do, thank you. If you don't, you should.

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Speaker 1: We've had some great conversations this week Bengals related. I

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Speaker 1: put our Reds question number three of the off season

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Speaker 1: up earlier today for discussion. We've got another topic coming

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Speaker 1: up in the eight o'clock hour. I think we can

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Speaker 1: have some fun with, so follow along. It's free at

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Speaker 1: Lance Pacallister. All Right, during the week on you know,

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Speaker 1: I've got an all Bengals show Bengals Line on Monday night.

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Speaker 1: I've got a mostly Bengals show on Thursday night with

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Speaker 1: the Roundtable Show, and on Tuesday nights we carry the

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Speaker 1: Scott Sadderfield Show. It's an hour wall to wall of

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Speaker 1: UC football conversation, and on Thursday nights we do a

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Speaker 1: weekly segment with Chad Brindle from Bearcat Journal talking Bearcats.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to do a topic on UC football tonight

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Speaker 1: and make it a caller topic. From this standpoint, you

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Speaker 1: see football and Scott Saderfield appear to be at this

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Speaker 1: moment at least a study in something that we fans

679
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: media aren't good at, giving time and showing patience. I

680
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Speaker 1: was listening to the Scott Centerfield Show on the way

681
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Speaker 1: home last night and Dan Horde ditty's open from the

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Speaker 1: original Montgomery in it, it's always it is showtime, and

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Speaker 1: then he introduces the coach and there was a a

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Speaker 1: rocus ruption of cheers for the head coach of the

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Speaker 1: UC Bearcats at his Coaches show last night. And I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you it's a far cry from the way

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Speaker 1: it was the previous two seasons. For the better part

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Speaker 1: of two seasons. To talk about Scott Sadderfield was about

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Speaker 1: his buyout. If you go back to what he was

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Speaker 1: hired December of twenty twenty two. I remember doing the

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Speaker 1: pole question. I remember doing the topic, and the hiring

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Speaker 1: of Scott Sadderfield at that time didn't exactly move the

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Speaker 1: needle with the fan base. Many thought that John Cunningham settled,

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Speaker 1: missed out on some guys. Many looked at it as though,

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Speaker 1: especially Louisville fans, they looked at it as you see,

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Speaker 1: had taken Scott's Saderfield off their hands. They didn't want

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Speaker 1: him in Louisville. What somebody will take him. We don't

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Speaker 1: have to pay him anymore, no buy fire and no firing,

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Speaker 1: no buy on. You guys can have him. Oh if

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Speaker 1: I if I had a dollar for every Louisville fan

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Speaker 1: who told me at that time good luck. And in

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Speaker 1: year number one, the results didn't do anything to really

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Speaker 1: change those feelings. They went three and nine, one in

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Speaker 1: eight in the Big twelve, first year in the Big twelve,

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Speaker 1: and then last year started five and two. I remember

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Speaker 1: asking the question they had beaten Arizona State. I think

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Speaker 1: that was homecoming. They got the five and two, and

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Speaker 1: I remember asking, has UC turned the corner with Scott Saderfield,

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Speaker 1: And lo and behold they proceeded to not win another game,

710
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Speaker 1: they lost five straight and finished the season five and

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Speaker 1: seven overall, three and six in the Big Twelve. I

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Speaker 1: asked in a poll question on x if fans thought

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Speaker 1: Scott Saderfield was capable of turning this football program around

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Speaker 1: at the end of last season. Ninety two percent said No,

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Speaker 1: we don't. And as I said, for two years, the

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Speaker 1: talk has basically started with how much would it cost

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Speaker 1: to buy him out? How much is left on, how

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Speaker 1: many years left on his contract, how much would it

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Speaker 1: cost to buy him out? I wonder if you've been

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Speaker 1: swayed or maybe how much you've been swayed by year

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Speaker 1: three of Scott's Sadderfield, perhaps now seeing the truest version

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Speaker 1: of what Scott's Sadderfield can do, what he can build,

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Speaker 1: you know, I ask, and I've talked about this a

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Speaker 1: lot this season. I think for all the moving parts

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Speaker 1: of this season and all the new faces through the

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Speaker 1: transfer portal, for all programs now comings and goings, it

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Speaker 1: has struck me throughout this season that this group, these

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Speaker 1: pieces really fit together well. And in listening to the

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Speaker 1: Scott Saderfield Show every week on the way home, hearing

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Speaker 1: the players they have on there, and it just seems

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Speaker 1: like it's a group that fits together, plays well together,

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Speaker 1: enjoys being together, and enjoys playing for him. Last week,

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Speaker 1: I had their fine Corner Matthew mcdoomon after he had

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Speaker 1: returned to the interception score record one hundred yards, and

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Speaker 1: I asked him at the time what it was like

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Speaker 1: to play for Scott Saderfield. Here's what Matthew McDoom said.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing, and it's like you want to you want

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Speaker 4: to go through a door for him.

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Speaker 8: You know, you would do anything for a close SATs

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Speaker 8: So you know, just having him, you know, motivate you.

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Speaker 4: You know, having him on the side.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's just it's great because you know he's

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Speaker 11: going to give his best, so you just you want

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Speaker 11: to give your best.

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Speaker 4: For him, you know, and the team.

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Speaker 1: Matthew McDoom last week, here's what I want to do.

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Speaker 1: I want to open up the lines five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 1: seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the big one. I've heard

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Speaker 1: a lot over two years from a lot of people

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Speaker 1: about how unhappy they were with Scott Ciderfield is the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the UC Bearcats. I wonder again how

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Speaker 1: much he has swayed you in year three boy, that

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Speaker 1: that old school, that that thought, that common thought of

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Speaker 1: giving coach a third year. And if you look at

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Speaker 1: his track record, give a coach a third year and

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Speaker 1: you'll see a better You'll get a better sense of,

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Speaker 1: better feel, more evidence of what he can actually do

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Speaker 1: when he gets his guys in here. Keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: this wasn't just getting his guys in here. This was

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Speaker 1: transitioning from the American Athletic Conference to the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody has doubts that. Luke Fickle

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Speaker 1: looked and said, I'm getting one of the getting's good

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Speaker 1: because the cupboard, while not completely bare, they're not a

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Speaker 1: ton of this cupboard. I'm out of here. Scott got that.

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, welcome to the Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: And you're number one, you're number two, gained some traction

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Speaker 1: and then into the your number three. They are ranked

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Speaker 1: seventeenth in the country. They've won seven in a row.

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Speaker 1: They're seven and one overall. They're one of two unbeatens

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Speaker 1: in the entire Big Twelve. They have thoughts and visions

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Speaker 1: of Dallas in the Big Twelve Championship game dancing in

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Speaker 1: their head. The uh, he's lipped the fuse on a

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Speaker 1: fun offense. He always had a track record of being

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Speaker 1: an offensive guy. He's lifted the fuse on an offense

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Speaker 1: that is really fun to watch. We've seen the defense

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Speaker 1: take steps forward. Now they're bending, don't break, and drive

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Speaker 1: people crazy sometimes. He's certainly improved the special teams. They've

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Speaker 1: cut out the end of the half train wrecks of

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Speaker 1: last season, and it does seem like it happened every week.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious for as much as I've heard as

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Speaker 1: many calls as I took on how unhappy people were

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Speaker 1: with him, Get rid of him, buy him out. I'll

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Speaker 1: make a donation. I wonder if year three has legitimately

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Speaker 1: moved your needle and swe on SAT. Your calls in

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Speaker 1: reaction to that next five one, three, seven four, nine,

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Speaker 1: seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the Big one. It's Arnel

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Speaker 1: carry Er Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred wlw.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 6: I like this.

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Speaker 1: They're weighing in on SAT. On Twitter at Lance Pacallister.

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Speaker 1: You see Chris saying yes, he has absolutely swayed me.

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Speaker 1: He is no longer on my list. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to be on you see Chris's list. I think I've

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Speaker 1: been on you see Chris's list briefly at times over

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Speaker 1: the years, for things like the ghost Runner and other things.

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Speaker 1: But he says, yes, he has absolutely swayed me. He

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Speaker 1: is no longer on my list, which he had been

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Speaker 1: on since day one with the Bearcat Zach on Twitter

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Speaker 1: tweeting me at Lance Pacalister. Not just Sadderfield, but I

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Speaker 1: think the program renewed its focus on getting talent. It

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Speaker 1: is paying off big time. All right, let's go to

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Speaker 1: the Phones, season number three of SAD. Has it swayed you?

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Speaker 1: Has he changed your way of thinking? Let's go to Independence.

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Speaker 1: Hey Mike, welcome to Sports Talk.

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Speaker 3: Hey Las, how are you doing tonight?

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Speaker 1: I'm weyll What do you got for me?

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Speaker 12: I wasn't going to get there last night, but I

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Speaker 12: got through quick tonight, so I'm happy about that.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm a big sports fan in general.

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Speaker 12: And your topic last night about investing so much, and

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Speaker 12: I've been good at investing and getting it good out

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Speaker 12: of it, positive and then the negative just kind of

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Speaker 12: shrug it off.

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Speaker 2: You see it the same way.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I was always for moving into the Big twelve.

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Speaker 12: It's gonna be tough. N il is gonna get involved.

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00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 12: I gotta get everything up up the par so. I

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00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 12: gave him a pass and I saw the improvement last

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Speaker 12: year and had hope was going to continue. The last

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Speaker 12: five games was a little bit, you know, disappointing, and

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Speaker 12: there's something that could have done differently. But you know,

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Speaker 12: listen to the show with Dan Horde every week was

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Speaker 12: sat on there. The players, it's just awesome. The kids

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Speaker 12: are great. Yeah, he's very personal coach, great personal, he

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00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 12: knows what he's talking about footballs on the show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for letting what Everyboddy. It's just she's doing a

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Speaker 3: great job in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has really and I think you hit on it.

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Speaker 1: The personality, the radio show. It comes through through the

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Speaker 1: players and through him. Just where they are as a

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Speaker 1: football program and how it's clicking now. And I think

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Speaker 1: anybody of any reasonable mind had to view that year

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Speaker 1: one transition into a whole new conference was going to

834
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Speaker 1: be incredibly difficult, and the portal is such a big

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Speaker 1: thing and there's so many moving parts and it's hard

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Speaker 1: to do a quick turnaround in year three. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's looking right now, he is already And I wonder

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Speaker 1: how many coaches in the country. You can say this

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Speaker 1: of from year one to two he improved by two wins.

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Speaker 1: From year two to three, he's already improved by two wins.

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Speaker 1: That's in overall and conference wins. That's pretty dang impressive.

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Speaker 1: And he's got four games left in the regular season.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: And on the show too, you you'll hear him talk

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Speaker 12: about little things they adjusted before for the particular game,

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00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 12: just game plan stuffing that he does, just minute things

847
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Speaker 12: think about ahead of time that you hope they all

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Speaker 12: to do.

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Speaker 3: That kind of stuff.

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Speaker 12: Just amazing to listen to the show. If you have

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00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 12: listen to it, listen to him every Tuesday. It's a

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00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 12: great show.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Mike good hearing from it. Thank you all, all right,

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00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: you know I laughed last nights he was talking about

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Speaker 1: Dan asked me about one of his comments on Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: Friday night speech to the team was about getting in

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Speaker 1: uh in the game on Saturday night was getting him

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Speaker 1: in a phone booth and that you see football and

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Speaker 1: the defense? What what when you were in that was

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Speaker 1: a team that threw the ball a lot that that

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Speaker 1: Baylor team, and you know, get him in a phone

862
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Speaker 1: booth make it difficult. You know, nobody likes to be

863
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: boxed in, and Dan Horde asked Gott, He says, how

864
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: many of your players walked out of there wondering what

865
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: a phone booth was? Scott even said, yeah, I thought

866
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: about that as well. After I got done, I said,

867
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: do they do the kids? The's a this age today?

868
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: Do they even know what a photo is? Just a classic?

869
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: Live?

870
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: But man, think I mean, there's still four games left

871
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 1: this season. He's gone from three wins to five wins

872
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: to seven wins. Conference, He's gone from one win to

873
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: three wins to five wins. Not bad, not bad at all.

874
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Milford we go, Hey Riley, welcome to sports Talk.

875
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 13: Hey Lance, how are you?

876
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm well, how about you doing well?

877
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 8: Hey?

878
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 6: So I was a harsh critic at the start, and

879
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 6: I think the reason why it was harsh on him

880
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 6: was because coach SAT's name came out of nowhere when

881
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 6: they hired him. Because me and along with other students

882
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 6: down there at the time, we thought it was between

883
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 6: two individuals who actually had below five hundred records, and

884
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 6: when that came out, it just came at such a

885
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 6: surprise and we said, where did that come from? And

886
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 6: then we also had to you know, buy Louisville out

887
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 6: of his deal and pay them, and so it.

888
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 13: Really didn't sit well with us.

889
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 6: Well, I have some friends that are ul lum, and

890
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 6: I said, why did you guys turn on him so quickly?

891
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 6: And they said they found out that he interviewed for

892
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 6: the South Carolina job after just one year at Louisville,

893
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 6: and so they all just really bailed on him at

894
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 6: the start. So they never really bought in, kind of

895
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 6: like how you see fans did, right, And I think,

896
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 6: as you've kind of got to know him, he's just

897
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 6: an overall great person. And I guess my only reservation

898
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 6: is I'd like to see him do a little bit

899
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 6: more this year.

900
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 13: I get this.

901
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 6: I get this feeling though, that.

902
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: They're gonna reward him with a.

903
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 6: Contract extension, because you know, a lot of coaches, for

904
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 6: recruitment purposes, don't like to have minimal amount of years

905
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 6: on their deals, right, And I just sit here and

906
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 6: I go, let's get through the year. Let's maybe even

907
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 6: see how next year goes. But I find it hard

908
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 6: to believe that we don't continue to go up because

909
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 6: the culture he's just instilled and filled down there is

910
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 6: just amazing.

911
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: And it's fun yes, yes it is. It's a I

912
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: mean that the offense. If if someone listening hasn't watched

913
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: their offense and maybe they're rolling their eyes at us,

914
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, with what Soresby does with his arms

915
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: and his legs and the tag team in the in

916
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: the backfield of the running backs, and the weapons of

917
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and at the tight end position, I

918
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: mean they are racking up yardage and points. I mean

919
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: they're averaging I think they're second or third of the

920
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: country and yards per per play executed. It's it's a

921
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: high powered offense.

922
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 6: Correct correct, And you know I kind of got the impression,

923
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 6: and I don't know if you did, but when we

924
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 6: first hired him, it it kind of bothered me a

925
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 6: little bit because I thought we were going to be

926
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 6: a run heavy team and coming off of the Desmond

927
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 6: Ritter era, I was like, well, you know, I like

928
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 6: to see this gun sling.

929
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 13: It a little bite.

930
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 6: And what I'm really impressed with him is that he

931
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 6: kind of lets the game take him based on what

932
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 6: he calls. And that's what really really impresses me. But

933
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 6: that's all I got. Lands. I appreciate your time, you got.

934
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: It, Thank you, and I think Saturday was a great

935
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: example of it. Brendon Soresby had a didn't have a

936
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: typical Brendan Soursby day. They weren't doing as much through

937
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: the air, but man, they were pounded it on the

938
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: ground and racking up yards on the ground. Go to

939
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: Mount Carmel. Hey, Harry, welcome to sports Talk.

940
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 11: Well I asked great program, as always.

941
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: Thank you.

942
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 4: Hey, you know you have to give a coach more

943
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 4: than two years of jug game. You know, you have

944
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 4: to give him at least three.

945
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look how many they gave Zach Taylor.

946
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 11: Yes, you know, I think it's great. You know, hopefully

947
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 11: you know, he'll stick around and he won't join the coaches.

948
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 11: And I have portal and from Bogie Town like thick

949
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 11: Or or Brian Kelly.

950
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: And it's got to be an offense. If I'm a recruit,

951
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: if I'm a high school player, if I'm a quarterback,

952
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: running back, wide receiver, tight end, I'm looking at their

953
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: offense going, Man, when those guys move on, I I

954
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: I should go there and slide right in, and I'm

955
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: going to be able to put up numbers.

956
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 11: Yeah, because he really walked into a pretty player. Wise,

957
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 11: pretty you know so much a bad situation, but he

958
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 11: didn't really have a really good player. You know what happened,

959
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 11: But I love what happened to Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly

960
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 11: is the ultimate grifter. You know, Yeah, I mean I'm

961
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 11: thinking about goes to Notre Dame Sime's contractor that they

962
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 11: fired me, walks out with a couple of melt yep.

963
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 11: Now he goes on the LSU. Hair's twining in his eyes.

964
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 11: What fifty four million dollars? Who's gonna who in the

965
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 11: right mind being another college program and hire him?

966
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: Good question, Good, I'm gonna let you go, man. Thank you, Hey,

967
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: thank you, Harry. Appreciate you checking in. That was some

968
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: good UC conversation. Now, if we're being fair, and I

969
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: know the the doubters, the naysayers, the critics, they'd be saying,

970
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: there are four games left. You might want to slow

971
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: your role, you might want to pump your brakes. They

972
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: still have to play at Utah. That'll be a tough game.

973
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: They've got Arizona at home, They've got number ten by

974
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: you at home, the other unbeaten there at TCU. There's

975
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: no question it's a heavily back end weighted schedule. So

976
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: I get that in some corners, but man, I'm going

977
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: to go back to this again and again and again.

978
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: If it were so bad, so dire, and man, this

979
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: program has sunk, then why did Brendan Soresby decide to

980
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: come back? Why did Dante Corleone decide to come back?

981
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: Why did Joe Royer decide to come back? How in

982
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: disarray could a program be Who's three best players said

983
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: we want to be there, We're coming back, We're going

984
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: to continue building on it. I think that speaks volumes

985
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: about where the program is status wise under Scott's Saturfield.

986
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: Can't wait till Saturday night, Late night Football, Saturday Night

987
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: from Salt Lake City. Hey, when we come back, I've

988
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: got question number three ready, trying to do him throughout

989
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: the off season, Question number three of the offseason for

990
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: the Reds. I will set it up and I'll seek

991
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: your answer to the question after we check news RNL carriers.

992
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:12,959
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993
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: The roundtable show is on the move tomorrow nights. I'm

994
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,440
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995
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,000
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996
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: and then it's back to Wilder for the rest of

997
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,439
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998
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: at six, We've got two hours Tomorrow six d eight o'clock.

999
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm with Rocky. We talk Bengals with Trags Mike Petralia.

1000
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: We talk You See Football with Chad Brendle. We do

1001
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: the high school football scene, will get in good postseason

1002
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,040
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1003
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,440
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1004
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1006
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: us time for today's Postman Law Injury Report delivered by

1007
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: Postman Law Injured Postman delivers news of the day. Joe Frack.

1008
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco did not practice with a sprained ac joint

1009
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: in his throwing shoulder, looking fifty to fifty in terms

1010
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: of his status to play or not play come Sunday.

1011
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: They will monitor throughout the week. Jake Browning would be

1012
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: ready to go if needed. Logan Wilson did not practice

1013
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: today with a calf issue. Trey Hendrickson did not practice

1014
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: with the hip and no Dalton Reisner again dealing with

1015
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: an illness. That is your Postman Law Injury report delivered

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1017
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: All right, pardon me while I've been down. I dropped

1018
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: my pen. I've got a thing about I can't talk

1019
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: without my pen in my hand. I'm a big Uniball

1020
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: pen fan. There's a particular it's the Vision Elite model

1021
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: of the Uniball pen. It's the only one I use.

1022
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: And the obsession extends to I move my hands a

1023
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: lot when I'm talking. If I ever dropped my pen,

1024
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: I have to stop talking and go pick it up.

1025
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: It's just a thing. Well, it's one of many things

1026
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: about me. Kelly's like shaking her head right now. Oh,

1027
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: I got a list of things for you. We have

1028
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: this off season done three Reds Questions, and ideally I'd

1029
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: like to do a different Reds question each week. Who

1030
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: says no to Red's Hot Stove Conversation. By the way,

1031
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: next week we'll start the Red's Hot Stove League Show

1032
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night. I believe first one Wednesday night, six o'clock.

1033
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 1: But I've spaced this out and the first Reds question

1034
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: we did of the off season was the idea of

1035
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: trading Hunter Green to get a bat.

1036
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 6: Oh.

1037
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: We had a really good discussion about that idea of

1038
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: the pros and cons, pluses and minuses we did. Was

1039
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: it last week? I think it was last week? We

1040
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: did which position should Ellie play next season? Which position

1041
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: is best for him and the team in twenty twenty six,

1042
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: we had a really good conversation. I've got a third

1043
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: question for you tonight. You ready should the Reds re

1044
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: sign Emilio Pagan? He converted his contracts up. He's a

1045
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: free agent. He converted a career high thirty two saves

1046
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: this past season. Thirty two out of thirty eight saves

1047
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: converted tied for the second most in the National second

1048
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: most in National League, tied for fifth most in all

1049
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: of baseball. Earned run average was two eight eight. His whip,

1050
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: which is walks and hits allowed per inning, was sub one,

1051
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: less than one per inning hits and walks. That's really good.

1052
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: He threw sixty eight and two thirds innings. He made

1053
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: seventy of appearances, a career high seventy appearances. He struck

1054
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: out thirty percent of the batters. He faced batters hit

1055
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: just won sixty eight against him. Now, he's set to

1056
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: become a free agent after completing his two year, sixteen

1057
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: million dollar contract that he signed with the Reds before

1058
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. In The Athletic this week, Jim Boden

1059
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: has projected the salaries of the top fifty free agents.

1060
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: He is projecting this number for Emilio Pagan two years,

1061
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: twenty two million dollars. What's your reaction? He will be

1062
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: thirty five in May. Would you bring him back for

1063
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: that kind of deal two years, twenty two million? Or

1064
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: would you let him walk? Can the Reds commit that

1065
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: money to a pitcher that turns thirty five in May?

1066
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: Can they? Can they bank on him replicating that performance

1067
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six? Mark Sheldon MLB dot Com last

1068
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: week wrote the Reds have yet to approach Pegan about returning.

1069
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: Nick Kral said, quote, We're gonna have to make some

1070
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: tough decisions on who to bring back, how to bring

1071
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: them back, and how to rebuild our bullpen. A lot

1072
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: of moving parts in that bullpen. Emilio has indicated he'd

1073
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: love to return in twenty twenty six. That's what he

1074
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Speaker 1: told Mark he was viewed last year as a willing

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Speaker 1: enable mentor to the young pitchers, one of the leaders

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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. He always spoke after games in good times,

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00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: in bad times, good performances, poor performances. So what do

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Speaker 1: you think? Let me open up the lines five, three, seven, four, nine, seven,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred, the big one question, number three of the office.

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00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: Should the Reds re sign Emilio Pagan? And let's just

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00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: work from the standpoint of Jim Bowden two years, twenty

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: two million. Here, I man, I've been thinking about this

1083
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: a lot, and I I say this with hesitation. I'm

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00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: inclined to say no because here's what I'm factoring in

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00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: with Emilio Pagan. And relievers are so tough, The reliever

1086
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: market is so volatile. Performance is so up and down

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00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: from one year to the next, and I think it

1088
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: is fair to wonder, worry, think about the following He

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00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 1: will be thirty five. Now that's not ancient, but he's

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00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: thirty five. His earned run average this past season was

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00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: the best it's been since twenty nineteen. Twenty nineteen, if

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00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: you remember the year before life, his first year with

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00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: the Reds, he was hurt, didn't pitch a whole lot,

1094
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: his earned run average was four and a half. Now,

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00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 1: the year before that, in twenty twenty three, it was

1096
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: two ninety nine. But the year before that, in twenty

1097
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: twenty two, it was four forty three, and the year

1098
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: before that it was for eighty three, and before that

1099
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: it was four fifty. So part of me looks and says,

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00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: how much of this season was an outlier? How much

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00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: of it is capable of being replicated in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six in his age thirty five season. And I'll be

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00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: real honest, his workload worries me. Seventy innings and one

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00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: of the toughest things is and I'd love to see

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00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: a study done on year after impact of heavy workloads,

1106
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: whatever definition you use as heavy workload. But that was

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00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: a career high workload for Amelia pa god Man. He

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00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: pitched four days in a row. At one point, he

1109
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: took the ball whenever they needed it. But this isn't

1110
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: about paying him for thirty two saves, second most in

1111
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: the National League. This is officially whether you pay him

1112
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: for the next two years when he's thirty five and

1113
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: when he's thirty six. And this team has to be really, really,

1114
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: really smart in making those decisions. On another hand, it

1115
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: would be fair to say, well, uh, okay, you want

1116
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: to let Amelia Pegan walk, who is your closer next year? Lance, Okay,

1117
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: my first thought would be Tony Santion. But I'm gonna

1118
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: apply the same thing I said about Amelia Pegan. I'm

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00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: worried about Tony Santion's workload. I know he's younger, but

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Speaker 1: my goodness, Tony Santion pitched eighty appearances. Eighty It's incredible.

1121
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Speaker 1: You talk about wear and tear, and I think you're

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00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: fooling yourself if you think, well, he's got the whole

1123
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: off season to rest up, he'll be fine. I don't

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00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: know what the carryover effect ultimately is. That's why i'd

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Speaker 1: love to see a study of such such things done.

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: But man, I worry. I worry about Pegan's workload carryover.

1127
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: I worry about Santion's workload carryover maybe less because he's younger.

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Speaker 1: Twenty what is he twenty six? Twenty seven? So on

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00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 1: one hand, I'd say I'd let Pegan walk and I'd

1130
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Speaker 1: go with Santion. But how much of a roll of

1131
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: the dice is it on Santion?

1132
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 14: Now?

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00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: I guess also, ultimately, well, somebody's got a pitch lance,

1134
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: and you just can't pick guys who didn't pitch last

1135
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: year who will be fully rested this year. I get

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: that as well. What would your decision be right now?

1137
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Speaker 1: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred,

1138
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: the big one. I would be inclined to say no,

1139
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: two years twenty two. I mean that's probably fair market value.

1140
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Speaker 1: That's why Jim Bowden just didn't pull to a twenty two,

1141
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, out of a hat. That's pretty much what

1142
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: the market's going to dictate. Can the Bengals play in

1143
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: the Bengals? Can the Reds play in that market? To

1144
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: pay a closer two years twenty two million. Let's get

1145
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: into a little bit more next Arnel Carrier Sports Talk

1146
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW. You know, I

1147
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: was looking during the break at a website spot rack.

1148
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 1: I believe that's how it's pronounced spootrc dot com spot rack.

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01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: It includes the salaries of every professional athlete, and I

1150
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: just looked up relief pitchers specifically. The highest paid reliever

1151
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: in baseball last year was Edwin Diaz made twenty million

1152
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: on average. If you were to pay Amelia with Pegan

1153
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: eleven million a year. Based on the average salaries of

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01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: relievers in the game, that would put him tied for

1155
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: the looks like the sixth highest paid reliever in the

1156
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: game is Emilio Pagan uh tied for the sixth best

1157
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: reliever in all of baseball? Can the Reds afford to

1158
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: devote that type of money to a closer? And should

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: they do it for someone who will be thirty five

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01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: next season. I'd argue that this is one of the

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Speaker 1: other than the bat. The bat? How will they get

1162
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: the bat this offseason? This might be their second most

1163
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: difficult decision or project to decide this offseason? What to

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01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: do with Emilio Pagan as a free agent. Let's go

1165
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: to the phones in Deer Park and then Columbus. How

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Speaker 1: about Sean on seven hundred WLW, Hey Sean.

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Speaker 3: Sally doing buddy good?

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Speaker 1: What do we do with this question number three?

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Speaker 3: Well, first, I'm want to say Eric of.

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Speaker 8: Oh Mojo, your favorite buddy of Mojo rising, my boy,

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 8: my boy named after Jim Morrison lyric. Yes, yes, all right,

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Speaker 8: so pa gone, All right, I'll preface it with this

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Speaker 8: because I missed the Hunter Green question. I think Hunter

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01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 8: Green has to go. And I don't think you signed

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 8: to Gone. If he was twenty eight, sign him but

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Speaker 8: at that age.

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Speaker 3: No, this year might have been lightning in a bottle.

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Speaker 3: I think it's gone.

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Speaker 8: But my biggest frustration as a Reds fan, who I've

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01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 8: turned forty eight in December, when Great American Ballpark was built, like,

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01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 8: we're going to hit home runs, right, so that has

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01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 8: to that's our home field advantage. The most frustrating thing

1183
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 8: for me as a Reds fan is that we don't

1184
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 8: hit home runs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you remember Jim Bowden was like salivating

1186
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: when it was being built on Jim Junior and Adam

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Speaker 1: Dunn in Grant American Ballpark.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so Agone, you know he didn't he had a

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Speaker 3: great year, but he's not. He also isn't that flamethrower.

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Speaker 8: I want to see guys like Rob Dibble and crafty

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01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 8: pitchers like Randy Myers, and I think we have enough

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 8: starting pitching in the pipeline. And Rhet Lauer, who wasn't

1193
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Speaker 8: here this year. He Chase Burns, that is splashing. Let

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Speaker 8: Hunter go get a bat. We've got guys who can

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Speaker 8: young maybe starting pitchers. Maybe maybe Burns is a is

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 8: a bullpen guy, and Ellie needs.

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Speaker 3: To be in right field.

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Speaker 1: Then what he do with Mark.

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Speaker 3: Left field? Then I'm sorry, you're right left field.

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not putting you take.

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01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 8: Center field from Friedel okay, because he's excellent.

1202
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 3: And he was our best hitter this year.

1203
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: With me struggled in the second half but had head

1204
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: career numbers in a lot of categories, no question.

1205
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 3: But a dynamic hitter right canbun hits for a little

1206
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,479
Speaker 3: power of spark plug.

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Speaker 1: I've got all these recorded, Stay tuned. My fourth question

1208
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: will be coming next week, and I anticipate and hope

1209
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Speaker 1: for your continued contributions.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Lars, peace and lost.

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: All right, peace and love to you as well. Let's

1212
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Speaker 1: go to Mojoe Rising, my guys, love that band. Columbus Charlie.

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Speaker 1: What to do with Emilio peganing, Hey, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for me? Thank you?

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Speaker 6: So uh.

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Speaker 15: I think one thing that's pistol for the Reds is

1217
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 15: they don't have a good veteran presence, and I think

1218
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 15: Amelia Pegan brought that last year with Tradanio. Yes, but

1219
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 15: I think it's kind of a no brainer to bring

1220
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 15: him back. Especially like you said earlier, with the younger

1221
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 15: arms and bringing them up to the majors. And one

1222
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 15: thing is, you know, good bullpen guys especially you know,

1223
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 15: you think Cincinnati at right, at least the past decade,

1224
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 15: we haven't really had many good arms stick around or

1225
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 15: you know, stay relevant and good you know, for many years.

1226
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Speaker 3: But I think that Gon might be the exception, just

1227
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 3: because of the leadership he brings to the team. And

1228
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Speaker 3: I disagree with the last call.

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Speaker 15: I think he brings out of a lot of intensity

1230
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 15: and he doesn't happen they're ninety nine every time because

1231
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 15: you know, the league's adapting players can hit that. You know,

1232
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 15: if he can locate, that's all that really matters. He

1233
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 15: only had twenty two walks last year, yes, so I

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01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 15: mean it's sixty eight inning.

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Speaker 1: That's not bad. That's a great point. And for someone

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01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: who may not be a flame thrower, he still struck

1237
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: out thirty percent of the batters he faced, so he

1238
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: knows how to get people out exactly.

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Speaker 15: And then you got to think about where he's pitching too,

1240
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 15: you know, great, so I mean the faster you throw,

1241
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 15: you know, the farther it goes. So I think even

1242
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 15: even with his age, and you know, we have a

1243
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 15: low payroll, and you think about you know, Martinez will

1244
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 15: probably be gone, so who's going to be that veteran

1245
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 15: leader in the clubhouse for the pitchers? And Brady Singer

1246
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 15: is probably the only guy you know with more major

1247
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 15: league experience than Hunter Green on that staff, and you know,

1248
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Speaker 15: he doesn't.

1249
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: Seem like a vocal guy at least in the media.

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Speaker 15: And like you said earlier, Pegan, you know every you know,

1251
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 15: still talking to reporters after loss and everything else. I

1252
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 15: think that's somebody you have to bring back if and

1253
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 15: he has playoff experience, and I think that's a and

1254
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 15: I you know, I know they just went to the playoffs,

1255
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 15: but you know, you need someone who can call those

1256
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 15: player only meetings, you know, like the Bengals had this

1257
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 15: week that you know Zach keylers Sing, the Bengals won't

1258
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 15: have a lead on defense. I think Pagan is a

1259
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 15: good leader for the pitching staff along with you know,

1260
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 15: you think Brent Souter And then you know the other

1261
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 15: leader for the you know, the hit batters, I think

1262
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 15: is Josee Travinian. So I think you've got to keep

1263
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 15: those veterans around. And I don't know if there would

1264
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 15: be a better option for them out there's go get

1265
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 15: Or who's someone, as you know, familiar with the clubhouse.

1266
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 15: So I think it'd be a no brainer to bring

1267
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 15: him back.

1268
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: Charlie, I'm so glad you called for the first time.

1269
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this. Thank you for the input. Let's

1270
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: do it again sometime, A right good thank you, And

1271
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: he is clearly that's a great point. He's the most

1272
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: veteran pitcher on the staff. Now. Nick Martinez probably leaves,

1273
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: Scott Barlow and Brent Souter have the team has options,

1274
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: a team option, they can pick it up or decline

1275
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: it on Burlow and Suitor. You'd have Tony santi On

1276
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: coming back, Graham Ashcraft coming back, Younger options like Connor

1277
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: Phillips who really excited late but had his moments, Zach

1278
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: Maxwell who knows what he can fully develop into. Luis

1279
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: may same thing, Lion Richardson a little bit further along

1280
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: than those two. But man, there's just so there's so

1281
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: many questions and I can I can make a pretty

1282
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: good case on each side and feel pretty good about

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Speaker 1: my argument. Ultimately, what a decision this organization is gonna

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Speaker 1: have to make after the World Series. I think it's

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Speaker 1: what the day after the World Series ends, that's when

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Speaker 1: free agency begins or players become free agents officially. So

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Speaker 1: next week Emilio Pegan would hit the free agent market.

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Speaker 1: Hang right where you are. I've got a really cool topic,

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Speaker 1: fun topic. I'll explain next. Arnel Carrier Sports Talk presented

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Speaker 1: Let's keep rolling. Third hour of Three Man Time flis

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Speaker 1: when you're having fun. I've had fun. I hope you've

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Speaker 1: had fun. We've been busy tonight. If you missed the

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Speaker 1: first hour. Tonight, we talked with Richard Patino, first year

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Speaker 1: coach at the Xavier Musketeers, in advance of Monday night

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Speaker 1: season an opener against Maris Merist Meyrist home with the

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Speaker 1: of Rick Smith's, the dunking Dutchman, the former Indiana pacer,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite Indiana Pacers. Rick Smith's just popped

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Speaker 1: into my head. I'm confirming. I'm pretty sure he went

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Speaker 1: to Marist he did. Yes, Okay, I am right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rick SMI's had a heck of a career with the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: but was my original point oh, and we talked with

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Speaker 1: Richard Skinner of Local twelve about the Bengals. If you

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Speaker 1: Second hour, we talk you see football and whether or

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Speaker 1: not you have been swayed by sat Year three of

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Speaker 1: Scott Saderfield. First two years, a lot of conversation about

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Speaker 1: the buyout. Let's get rid of this guy. He's improved

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Speaker 1: by two wins each season, two wins overall, two wins

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Speaker 1: in the conference overall, seven and one Right now winners

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Speaker 1: of seven Straight Ahead for a showdown Saturday night. We

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Speaker 1: also talked about question number three of the Reds off season.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really juicy question. Emilio Pagan becomes

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Speaker 1: a free agent next week? Would you re sign him?

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Speaker 1: And at the Jim Bowden projection of two years twenty

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Speaker 1: two million, what does that do for you? Is that doable?

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Speaker 1: He'll be thirty five, A lot of war and tear

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Speaker 1: was last year an outlier who fills in if he's not?

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Speaker 1: There so many questions surrounding that one very much enjoyed

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Speaker 1: that conversation now in this hour. I've been sitting on

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Speaker 1: this for a while, trying to figure out when to

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Speaker 1: do it and kind of working the background to it

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Speaker 1: to present it as a topic. I thought about an

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Speaker 1: off the beaten path topic with it, but it's as

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Speaker 1: much as I enjoy the topic, it's not as I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say, it's not fun, but I was

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Speaker 1: looking for something more fun. By the way, Friday Night,

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you the last time. I think the

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Speaker 1: last Friday night Halloween was twenty fourteen, don't hold me

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Speaker 1: to that, and I don't believe I worked on that night,

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Speaker 1: so I've never done a Friday Night of Halloween off

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Speaker 1: the Beaten Path topic. Now you know, the off the

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Speaker 1: Beaten Path topic is anything that's fun. It can be TV, movies, sports, music, food,

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Speaker 1: life list, you name it. I'm wondering if there is

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Speaker 1: a Halloween themed You see, Chris, you'll listening to this,

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Speaker 1: wonder if there's a Halloween themed off the Beaten Path

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Speaker 1: topic for Friday night. We don't have to do a

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Speaker 1: Halloween theme, but I got to think if there's a

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Speaker 1: good one we could do, let me know. Email me

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Speaker 1: Lance at lancepacallister dot com if you think of one.

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Speaker 1: But my original point was, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: fun topic. I don't think it's Friday night off the

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Speaker 1: Beaten Path topic fun, if that makes any sense. And

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Speaker 1: this originally came in the form of Cincinnati Magazine and

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Speaker 1: Jason Cohen wrote about this like six weeks ago in

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Speaker 1: their Greatest Cincinnati Athletes of All Time list, and he

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Speaker 1: put together a list of short timers Cincinnati athletes that

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Speaker 1: were short timers here. Here's what I mean. Athletes that

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Speaker 1: weren't here long, that made their mark while they were here,

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Speaker 1: or made their mark before getting here, or made their

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Speaker 1: mark after leaving here. Who just popped into your head.

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Speaker 5: Like.

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Speaker 1: His list included Sandy Kofax. Sandy Kofax played freshman basketball

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Speaker 1: at UC and then he joined ed Juckers' other squad,

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Speaker 1: the baseball team, and he struck out fifty one batters

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Speaker 1: in thirty two innings during one season before signing with

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Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Dodgers. Sandy Kofax a short timer here here

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Speaker 1: for a brief time, then made his mark after leaving here.

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Speaker 1: Mark Messia made his list the Hall of Fame Hockey Legend.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen year old center played one season with the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Stingers of the wh after the Indianapolis Racers folded. He

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Speaker 1: played for the Stingers. After a year with the Racers,

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Speaker 1: and Messi eventually joined former Racers teammate Wayne Gretzky in

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Speaker 1: Edmonton and won five Stanley Cups, and then he led

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Speaker 1: the Rangers to one in nineteen ninety four and won

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Speaker 1: a Stanley Cup. But Wayne or Mark Mesmer was here

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Speaker 1: for one year. Blue Jays take a one nothing lead

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Speaker 1: bottom one off of Blake Snell home run. Who was

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Speaker 1: that that hit the home run?

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Speaker 2: That was.

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Speaker 1: The catcher? I'm blanking on his name, But the Blue

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Speaker 1: Jays lead one nothing. Back to my original point. Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: short timers. Mark Messy a was here one year, went

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Speaker 1: onto greatness. Now I would give you a couple of

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Speaker 1: guys that came to my mind in putting together this list,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll open up the lines and take your calls.

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Speaker 1: To put together the list. I would include wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: that's another one. Schneider homered, and now Vladimir Guerrero Junior

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Speaker 1: has homered back to back. Two nothing Blue Jays. Holy cow.

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Speaker 1: Right back to my point on my list. Cincinnati short timers.

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Speaker 1: Billy Bates. Billy Bates might be the all time classic

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati short timer. He came here in the trade during

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Speaker 1: the ninety season from Milwaukee. He appeared in eight regular

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Speaker 1: season games with the Reds. We talked about this last week.

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Speaker 1: That's why I thought about this topic again. He appeared

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Speaker 1: in eight games. He had five at bats for the

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Speaker 1: Reds in the regular season, never got a hit. Then

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Speaker 1: in the World Series Game two, he got the infield

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Speaker 1: chopper against Dennis Eckersley that started the inning that won

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Speaker 1: it on Joe Olivers. That ball is fair down of

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Speaker 1: left field line. He is a classic, quintessential Cincinnati short timer.

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Speaker 1: Billy Bates. Jake Elliott would be a short timer, the

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Speaker 1: former Bengals draft pick, the kicker fifth round pick. They

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Speaker 1: cut him in camp, Remember they didn't they they cut

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Speaker 1: Randy Bullock in twenty seventeen, or cut Jake Elliott in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen in camp after making him a fifth round

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Speaker 1: pick so they could keep Randy Bullock right. Jake then

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Speaker 1: went on to hook up with the Eagles. He's won

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Speaker 1: two Super Bowls, and he's been to a Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and he's one of the more accurate kickers in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: A Cincinnati short timer here for not too long and

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Speaker 1: then left his mark after leaving, I'll give you one more,

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Speaker 1: one more then I'm gonna open up the lines. Lance

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Speaker 1: Stevenson wasn't it Born Ready? What is his nickname? Boron Ready?

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Speaker 1: I believe I don't think I'm making that up. Lance

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Speaker 1: Stephen Stevenson came here. Is one of the most highly

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Speaker 1: recruited players in program history. Mick brought him in. He

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Speaker 1: played in the nine twenty ten season in the Big

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Speaker 1: East and then went on in and averaged like twelve

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Speaker 1: points and five rebounds and three assists and then declared

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Speaker 1: for the NBA Draft after one season, wentz second round

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Speaker 1: fortieth pick to the Pacers and went on to have

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Speaker 1: a heck of a career in the NBA. Went on

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Speaker 1: to annoy Lebron James during his NBA career. I think

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Speaker 1: I think Lance Stevenson spent ten years in the NBA

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Speaker 1: and wound up with the career average at nine points

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Speaker 1: a game. It's been a decade in the league. Those

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Speaker 1: would be the ones that popped into my head. Billy Bates,

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Speaker 1: Jake Elliott, and Lance Stevenson. Who has now popped into

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Speaker 1: your head a cincident? Now, short timer is I guess

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Speaker 1: there's a loose interpretation. I consider a short time or

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Speaker 1: somebody just not more than a couple of years, maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe a year, maybe two, But I don't think any

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Speaker 1: more than two would would keep you considered a short timer.

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Speaker 1: But I'm looking for somebody, be it Red's Bengals, UCS, Xavier.

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Speaker 1: You know somebody who was here for a short amount

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Speaker 1: of time and had made a mark before they got here.

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Speaker 1: So maybe it was towards the end of their career

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01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: arrived here, or maybe was early in their career here

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01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: and then after a short time, left and made their

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Speaker 1: mark someplace else. Let me open up the lines five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 1: four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the Big One.

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Speaker 1: I loved this column or story by Jason Cohen in

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Magazine. I'm trying to think who else he included

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Speaker 1: on on his list, but I know he had Sandy Kofax.

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Speaker 1: I know he had Mark Messier. I've been working on

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Speaker 1: my list. I've been working on this list for about

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Speaker 1: six weeks, just holding it for a spot to use

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01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: it once baseball season ended and we had some nights

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Speaker 1: where we had some full shows to work with, and

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Speaker 1: I'm dropping it tonight. Your names of the short Timers. Next,

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Speaker 1: It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW seven hundred WLWRL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 1: Kelsey Chevrolet. Tonight, the list short timers Cincinnati athletes that

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01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: were here for a brief time. They made their mark

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01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: before they got here, or maybe they made their mark

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: while they were here, or maybe they made a mark

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01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,839
Speaker 1: after they left. The short timers. My guy Will Grimmer

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Speaker 1: listening loves the topic. He's probably in between hitting golf

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01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: balls or teaching at the Love fifty nine. He says

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01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: how about t o the year that could have been

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01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: with Curson and Chad and to Terrell Owens one year

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Speaker 1: twenty ten, aged thirty seven, seventy two catches, nine hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty three yards, nine touchdowns. Bengals went four and twelve.

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Speaker 1: You know what he did before? You know what he

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01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: was doing when he wasn't doing push ups or sit

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Speaker 1: ups in the driveway too, goes on our list of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati short timers. Let me go to Western Hills, Rick,

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Speaker 1: who do we put on the list?

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Speaker 6: Okay, this is going to be a little backward to

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Speaker 6: your question, but Trevor Bauer.

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Speaker 1: Trevor Bauer absolutely short timer?

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Speaker 13: Made uh short timer?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Mark made his mark later not necessarily positive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely and certainly made a mark here winning the

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01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: Cy Young and and came over in that big deadline trade.

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Speaker 1: That's oh, I'm putting Trevor Bauer on the list.

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Speaker 4: Yes, only Cy Young winner in Red's history.

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Speaker 1: I believe you are absolutely correct he is find the list.

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Speaker 1: You're the man. Thanks, Rick, good night, All right, good start,

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Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll see your Trevor Bauer. I'll add you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't suit Chew. Were they involved in that three way

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Speaker 1: I think the red scent Drew Stubbs is part of

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Speaker 1: that trade and got Chew who For my money, the

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Speaker 1: Reds have not had a better leadof hitter since he's

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01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: the best leadoff hitter. I can't say since Pete. There's

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Speaker 1: got to be somebody from Pete to Chew. But my

1491
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: point would be shouldn't suit? Cheo was really good in

1492
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 1: his one season in twenty thirteen. He had a four

1493
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: to twenty three on base percentage. Can you imagine a

1494
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: Reds hitter today with a four to twenty three on

1495
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: base percentage? What it would mean? He hit twenty one homers,

1496
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: thirty four doubles, stole twenty bases, reached base by being hit,

1497
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: I pitch twenty six times, scored one hundred and seven runs,

1498
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: and walked one hundred and twelve times. I'll repeat my statement,

1499
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: can you imagine what a Reds leadoff hitter in this

1500
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: day and age would mean to this offense? With one

1501
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: hundred and twelve walks, twenty one homers, twenty steals, and

1502
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: one hundred and seven runs scored with a four to

1503
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: twenty three on bas Holy cow, fairfield, we go, Hey, Johnny?

1504
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 2: What do you got?

1505
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 6: Hey?

1506
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 4: Am I able?

1507
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 6: To give you two.

1508
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 1: Sure, go right ahead, all right, perfect.

1509
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,799
Speaker 4: So the first one is David Wells.

1510
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: David Wells, Ah, what an impact he had when he

1511
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: came from the Baltimore Orioles in nineteen ninety five.

1512
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, in three years later he had the perfect.

1513
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 1: Game, Yes he did.

1514
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 4: The second one could be debatable, but Greg Vaughan I

1515
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,879
Speaker 4: always enjoyed watching him play.

1516
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: No doubt about that.

1517
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 6: For one year.

1518
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean really good coming when he was on

1519
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: his way here, made his presence felt in one big

1520
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 1: time season for the ninety nine red Absolutely.

1521
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 4: All right, thanks buddy, thank you.

1522
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: You know that's a good Greg Vaughan's a really good one.

1523
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: Came over in the trade for Damian Jackson and Reggie Sanders,

1524
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: I believe was part of that trade, hit forty nine

1525
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: home runs in the ninety nine season, and then left

1526
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 1: in free agency. David Wells came over from the Orioles

1527
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 1: at the in the stretch run of ninety five. That

1528
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: was a trade I will always remember this. The Reds

1529
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: traded a minor league reliever named bj Ryan, who went

1530
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 1: on to be really good. In fact, I will argue

1531
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: for bj Ryan being on this list. A little bit

1532
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 1: later on because I wrote him down here somewhere, I

1533
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: just can't find it. And they traded another picture was

1534
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: a low level young picture named Hokebo Sequoia. Hokabo Sequoia,

1535
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: look him up, was in that trade. I don't know why.

1536
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: Me and Stephen Sharp always remember that name. And I

1537
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: don't know why. David Wells went six and five for

1538
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: the Reds the rest of that season. In ninety five,

1539
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: he left, I believe free agency. After that, pitched nine

1540
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: more years, won one hundred and sixty games after leaving

1541
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 1: the Reds, and as the caller noted, had a perfect

1542
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: game and made three All Star teams after he left.

1543
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: Back to the phones Cincinnati, Mark, give me a short timer.

1544
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 3: Hey, I think the guy's name was Trevor Hoffman.

1545
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: He was a closer.

1546
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 13: Yes, I don't know how long he was here, but

1547
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 13: he went on I think to be pretty good closer.

1548
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: In fact, he was with the organization for the Reds

1549
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: as a shortstop. Initially, they converted him to a pitcher

1550
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues and they traded him from there. No,

1551
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 1: I take that back. He was selected in the expansion

1552
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: Draft by the Florida or Miami Marlins at the time,

1553
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: and the Reds lost him. How about that?

1554
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 3: Okay, yep, I just I followed him.

1555
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: I know he did well after Hall of Fame when

1556
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: it was all said into that's a good one. Hey,

1557
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. Yep, all right, thank you. Eleventh

1558
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,959
Speaker 1: round pick of the Reds in nineteen eighty nine, eleventh

1559
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 1: round pick shortstop converted a pitcher and taken claimed picked

1560
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: off by the Marlins in the expansion draft. Later, of course,

1561
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: wound up with the Padres. Saved like six hundred and

1562
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 1: one games in his Hall of Fame career. Dayton we go, Hey, Zach,

1563
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: give me a short timer.

1564
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 11: This one hurts me every time I think about it,

1565
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 11: and I ask myself what could have been?

1566
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 13: And that is Josh Hamilton.

1567
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: Oh you talk about a short time or an impact?

1568
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, oh ninety games for the Reds and

1569
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: and people fell in love. We fell in love with

1570
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: him here What a what a long winding path and

1571
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 1: story to get here. And then once he left here

1572
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: had major success, had major life problems. But he was

1573
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: a short timer with a a big time impact, no doubt,

1574
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: thick of a bat. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm putting

1575
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 1: him on the list. Thank you all right, That's what

1576
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, had been had been. Let's see, the

1577
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: Reds got him in the Rule five draft. If I

1578
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: remember correctly, he'd been out of baseball for three years

1579
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: because of the drug problems. Remember that the Reds had

1580
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 1: to They had an accountability coach follow him around. Oh

1581
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 1: that rubbed some people wrong. They basically had to get

1582
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: a babysitter. It wasn't It wasn't Jerry Narron. It was

1583
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: Jerry Naron's brother. What was Jerry and Aaron's brother the

1584
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: baseball guy? Was it Johnny Narren? His brother? The Reds

1585
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: hired his brother to be his accountability coach and travel

1586
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: with him and make sure he stayed out of trouble

1587
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: because I mean, he'd been out of baseball on a

1588
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: drug suspension, major issues. And then he hit nineteen home

1589
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: runs for the Reds in ninety games, got a standing

1590
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: ovation Opening Day that year when he hit a sacrifice fly,

1591
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 1: never forget that. And then the Reds were afraid that one.

1592
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: There was some resentment of how he was babysat and handled,

1593
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: and and the Reds thought, man, we are we're almost

1594
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: playing with fire here this guy. There's going to be

1595
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: trouble at some point, let's if we can flip him.

1596
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,919
Speaker 1: Let's flip him. And they flipped him to the Rangers

1597
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 1: and got Edison Volcaz and got to Daniel Ray Herrera.

1598
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, volca has made the All Star

1599
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: Team the next year, and Hamilton went on to it,

1600
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: won the Triple Crown, was a five time All Star,

1601
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 1: won Home Run Derby. Kelly and I sat and watched

1602
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: Home Run Derby and Myrtle Beach at Margeritaville. And then

1603
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 1: he ran into trouble, signed a major contract with the Angels,

1604
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: major trouble, and and just off field, family trouble and

1605
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: just a big giant mess, but absolutely a Cincinnati short timer.

1606
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Now you talking about a story and a life for

1607
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: that guy. He was just inducted into the I believe

1608
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: the Rangers Ring of Honor this past season or their

1609
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame this past season. All right, I got

1610
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: so many names running through my head. Let me grab, oh,

1611
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: We'll grab Fran and Jim and Jamie and Paul and

1612
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: Doug and Andy. Ahead, let's check news so we can

1613
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: get to it. RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey

1614
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: Chaballet seven hundred wlw oh Dan Horde has delivered by

1615
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: text he was either listening or following along on X

1616
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: to our topic and has offered a suggestion the topic.

1617
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: And I give Jason Cohen full credit from Cincinnati Magazine.

1618
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: He wrote about his list of Cincinnati short timers about

1619
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: six weeks ago in Cincinnati Magazine and at Cincinnati athletes

1620
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: that weren't here for very long, that made their mark

1621
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 1: while they were here, or maybe made it before they

1622
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: got here, and maybe made their mark after they left here.

1623
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: We've had some fun with that. Dan gives me a

1624
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: good one, you ready. Odell Thurman, Holy cow. Odell Thurman,

1625
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: second round pick of the Reds in two thousand and

1626
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: five out of Georgia. In fact, was at the same

1627
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 1: draft with David Pollock. If I remember correctly, Odell Thurman.

1628
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: In one season, you talk about a nose for the football.

1629
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: In one season, he had linebacker five interceptions, one return

1630
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: for a touchdown. He had nine passes defended, he had

1631
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:29,600
Speaker 1: four fumbles forced, he had a fumble recovered, and he

1632
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: had one and a half sacks. And he just hit

1633
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 1: the daylights out of people. I mean that dude was

1634
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 1: one of the hardest hitters in Bengals franchise history. He

1635
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: also is very undisciplined and ran into problems. I never

1636
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: played again after the two thousand and five season violation

1637
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: of league substance abuse policy, the next year in twenty

1638
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: twenty or in two thousand and six, and the following

1639
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: year in two thousand and seven, never to be heard

1640
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 1: from again. He finished third in defensive Rookie of the

1641
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Year honors in his rookie season with the Bengals and

1642
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: has never heard from again. But you talk about an

1643
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: impact in that one year. Oh, Dan Horde scores with

1644
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Odell Thurman as a Cincinnati short timer. Let's head to

1645
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 1: Loveland where it was wonderful to see Fran and his

1646
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: lovely wife Phyllis at the Miracle Ball on Friday night.

1647
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: Let's welcome in, my guy, Fran.

1648
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 4: How are you been doing well?

1649
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:22,960
Speaker 2: Lance?

1650
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 4: And congratulations to you again.

1651
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 3: That was a wonderful night thing.

1652
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, it really beautiful, Thank you, thank you beautiful.

1653
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 16: I got a couple names here, a couple of Red's names. Yes,

1654
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:37,840
Speaker 16: how about Paul kernerko Oh, yes, he was here, he

1655
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 16: was here. I don't know a month maybe in the

1656
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 16: late nineties.

1657
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: He goes on to the White Sox and he got

1658
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: eighty one plate appearances. That's it, eighty one, and then

1659
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: they flipped him to get Mike Cameron after the season was.

1660
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 16: Over, and he goes on to the White Hawk, and

1661
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 16: I think the guy probably has about.

1662
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 1: Four hundred and fifty career home and over fourteen one

1663
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,879
Speaker 1: hundred runs driven in and over four hundred doubles.

1664
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 16: Okay, well, before we missed and now I'm going to

1665
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 16: go back in time with you here on one. Yes,

1666
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 16: Kurt Flood came up with a Cincinnati Read on the

1667
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 16: late nineteen fifties. Yeah, he played in just a few

1668
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 16: handful of games, and he got traded because there was

1669
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 16: another young centerfielder.

1670
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 3: Named Veda Penson that was coming up and the Red.

1671
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 16: Thought that Kurt Flood was expendable.

1672
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 4: He goes on to the Saint.

1673
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 16: Louis Cardinals, and of course you know he's just yeah,

1674
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 16: outstanding ballplayer, Hall of Famer Kurt Flood rule.

1675
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 4: He's really had an impact on baseball, no doubt.

1676
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: In fact, rand I just pulled it up. In fact,

1677
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 1: Kurt Flood is played as a Red in at age

1678
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: eighteen and age nineteen for a total of eight games total,

1679
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: and then they traded it yeah, and what a career

1680
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: he had after that and an impact on the game.

1681
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 3: As you said, absolutely all right, I love it.

1682
01:30:58,800 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 4: That great topic.

1683
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, have a good night. Until Phillis, I said, hey, yeah,

1684
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,560
Speaker 1: this is a good time. I don't know, maybe I

1685
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: should have used this on Friday night. I'll tell you what,

1686
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: if I don't come up with a Friday off the

1687
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: beaten Path topic, I'm gonna be really upset that I

1688
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: burned this one tonight because I'm gonna save to till Friday.

1689
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 1: We'd have a good time. Kurt Flood eight games with

1690
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: the Reds and then went on to have a thirteen

1691
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: year major league career with the Cardinals, where he hit

1692
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: two ninety three and then impacted the game as much

1693
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: as anybody in the history of the game, with the

1694
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: challenging the reserve clause and free agency and everything that

1695
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: came with it.

1696
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 4: That was good.

1697
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: Uh see, do I have another one? Or do I

1698
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: want to Uh let's see, let me just go to

1699
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: the phones. Did I have one? Wait, let me give

1700
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,599
Speaker 1: you one. The Odell Thurman was, Oh, if Dan Horde

1701
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,640
Speaker 1: is still listening, I have a TV show for you.

1702
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna have to text him. He's probably home

1703
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: by now. Netflix Black Rabbit with Jude Law and Jason Bateman.

1704
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: I would watch anything with Jason Bateman. Jude Law is

1705
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: a restaurant owner in New York. His brother is Jason Bateman.

1706
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,480
Speaker 1: Jason Bateman has a gambling problem and it's been described

1707
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 1: as The Bear meets Uncut Gems. Now I've never seen

1708
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: Uncut Gems, but I know what it's about. There's kind

1709
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: of a restaurant lifestyle running a restaurant like the Bear.

1710
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: There's gambling problems and getting in too deep in over

1711
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 1: your head. There's some mob stuff going on. Dan Horde,

1712
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 1: if you were listening Black Rabbit, Netflix or anybody else

1713
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 1: who likes TV shows, went a minute to oh, this

1714
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,719
Speaker 1: is like real time texting. Dan Hordes is still listening.

1715
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm carrying on cover Will Grimmer and Dan horder a

1716
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: text to me while the show is going on, and

1717
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 1: I'm reading their text in real time. So Black Rabbit. Now,

1718
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: now I preface this by saying we've only watched one episode,

1719
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: but it was a really good first episode. Because for

1720
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: the record, Dan Horde recommended to show to me that

1721
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: was really good for like one episode, and then from

1722
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,719
Speaker 1: there sadly it went downhill. I think it was que

1723
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 1: something or other. Don't even look it up because it's

1724
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 1: not worth looking at or watching unless you just like

1725
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 1: one episodes and then giving up on shows. Uh, Len

1726
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: we go, Hey, Paul, what do you got?

1727
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 6: Hey? Lance?

1728
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:11,560
Speaker 14: So I've got a couple and they're neither one of

1729
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 14: them is actually an athlete, but they're both related to sports.

1730
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So my first one is Tommy Tubberville obviously.

1731
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 14: Made a bit of a name for himself before he

1732
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 14: came here. Yes, and then he got him got himself

1733
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:25,759
Speaker 14: in a little a little bit of trouble.

1734
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 13: Yes, before he left here.

1735
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yes he did. Yes, he did all right here

1736
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. Uh.

1737
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 10: My other one is and I don't know how long

1738
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 10: he was around, but Paul Keels, pauls was a broadcaster

1739
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 10: for the I know he called some bear Cats and

1740
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 10: I think Bengals games. Yeah, I don't know, a couple

1741
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 10: of years maybe, yeah, Oh.

1742
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: Yes, certainly considered a short time or did did?

1743
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 6: Did?

1744
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: Did Bengals preseason games for longer? But regular season games

1745
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: of some teams here?

1746
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:58,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1747
01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 14: Absolutely, I'm just you know, all right, you were talking

1748
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 14: about Dan Hord and I thought, well, how about the

1749
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 14: guy who.

1750
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 1: I liked the originality? Thank you for the contributions.

1751
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:10,839
Speaker 10: All right, man, thanks for the show.

1752
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: Have a good night. I'll give you another one. Dontrell Willis.

1753
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 1: Dontrell Willis was like the happiest guy, smiling guy in

1754
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: all of baseball. His rookie of the year with the

1755
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: Marlins won twenty two games, was an All Star, and

1756
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: then they reached a point in his career where he

1757
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: just he couldn't throw strikes and it became like a

1758
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,879
Speaker 1: mental block, and then he was dealing with anxiety issues

1759
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 1: and he got released and he'd been in I think

1760
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: he'd been in Detroit, and he got released, and he

1761
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: wound up with the Reds in the twenty eleven season

1762
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: where the Reds were taking anybody who could walk, talk

1763
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: to gum and throw bitches at that point, and he

1764
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: went one in six for the Reds with a five

1765
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 1: earned run average, trying to resurrect his career and it

1766
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,480
Speaker 1: never really happened. But Dontrell Willis would be a Cincinnati

1767
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 1: athlete who was a short timer, no question. How about Fairfield, Andy,

1768
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,080
Speaker 1: Welcome to Sports Talk.

1769
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 2: Hey Lance, how are you?

1770
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 1: I'm good?

1771
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 17: What do you got well, I'm gonna call about Dion Sanders,

1772
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 17: who was a four time short timer. But as I

1773
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 17: was unfold, I found the true best. Yes, a pitcher

1774
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 17: three seventy three and one eighty eight career original Hall

1775
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 17: of Famer career run two thirteen, twenty five hundred and

1776
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:31,000
Speaker 17: two strikeouts. Finished his career in nineteen sixteen with the Reds.

1777
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 4: Christy Matthewson.

1778
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, baby, that is a good one. At the age

1779
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: of thirty five with the Reds one game and was

1780
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 1: a player manager in that that one game. What a

1781
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: career in a short timer.

1782
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,639
Speaker 2: Finished his managerial career with the Reds in nineteen eighteen

1783
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: before a certain thing happened the following year, and then

1784
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 2: one another series in twenty one. I'm reading all this

1785
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: off Google. If I'm talking to yourself, my short timers.

1786
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,639
Speaker 1: Chrissy, that is fantastic. I appreciate the background, and thanks

1787
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: for calling.

1788
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it.

1789
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 1: All right. Let me give you a I'll give you

1790
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: another one. I'll give you another one because I'm kind

1791
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 1: of excited about this one. This is the shortest of

1792
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: short timers. Vita Blue now for old school Reds, Big

1793
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: Red Machinery or Reds'll you'll understand Vita Blue was traded

1794
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 1: to the Reds, never officially pitched for the Reds, never

1795
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: officially went to camp with the Reds. Was traded in

1796
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: the off season and with the seventy seven off season

1797
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: and a transaction with the A's and the commissioner Buuie

1798
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Kune blocked the deal the Reds. His photo appeared in

1799
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: the Reds Media Guy. He was long enough. He was

1800
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: there long enough in the off season to have an

1801
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 1: insert in the media guy to Vita Blue, and the

1802
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: commissioner ruled it would not be.

1803
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 15: It was.

1804
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:56,759
Speaker 1: It was Dave Revering in like a million dollars. Reverend

1805
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: was a Red's first base prospect at Triple A who

1806
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 1: was never going to play for the Reds because he

1807
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 1: was stuck behind Tony present d andresen or Tony had

1808
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 1: been traded at that point. But long story short, it

1809
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 1: was a one sided Charlie Finley trade of trying to

1810
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: sell players, basically, and the commissioner said that will disrupt

1811
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:15,640
Speaker 1: the competitive balance of baseball, basically said, the Reds are

1812
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 1: already good. This would make them too good. I am

1813
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: blocking this trade. And Vita Blue never actually pitched for

1814
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:29,560
Speaker 1: the Reds, the truest of the true short timers in

1815
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Cincinnati sports. And Vita Blue had a hell of a

1816
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: career before and even had a nice career after he

1817
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: went on to the Giants. And I did he win

1818
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 1: the cy Young with the Giants in Vita Blue win

1819
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 1: the cy Young and in both leagues? Or did he

1820
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 1: just win it with the A's. I should know this

1821
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,839
Speaker 1: before I pull it up. I'm pulling up his stats

1822
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: and was really good with he did not? He came close.

1823
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: He finished third in the cy Young with the Giants,

1824
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 1: but had won it with the A's and wound up

1825
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: winning two hundred and nine games.

1826
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 11: So there you go.

1827
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: More ahead, Uh, I think we can do one more

1828
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: segment of this. Yes, I can get it in and

1829
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: then we'll hand things off to Dan Carroll. Are in

1830
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 1: a Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevelet, seven hundred

1831
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: wlwar And I've got one on this date for you.

1832
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 1: One on this date, nineteen sixty one, the Big o

1833
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: Oscar Robertson, blaming for the Cincinnati Royals against the Syracuse Nationals,

1834
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,920
Speaker 1: dishes at a franchise record twenty two assist in a

1835
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: one thirty nine to one thirty two win the Big

1836
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: O for the game, triple double, twenty six points, twenty

1837
01:38:36,280 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: two assist, eleven rebounds. He goes on to average a

1838
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 1: triple double for the season, becoming the first player to

1839
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: average double figures and assist for that season. He averaged

1840
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: thirty point eight points, twelve and a half rebounds, and

1841
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: eleven point four assist the Big O on this date,

1842
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one. All right, let's round it out. I

1843
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: got a couple of names on the list that I

1844
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: need to get to. You've got some that you need

1845
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: to get to. We head to morrow. Jamie, you were

1846
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW.

1847
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 13: Hey, Lance, thanks for having me on. I'm really excited

1848
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 13: to be on here.

1849
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:12,560
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1850
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 13: So I had Ryan Fitzpatrick first because I love him

1851
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 13: and I think his career exploded when he left Cincinnati,

1852
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 13: and he's great. But then someone had mentioned Trevor Bauer.

1853
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: And I thought Yasiel Plague. He was so exciting here.

1854
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 13: Oh he loves he loves Cincinnati.

1855
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, I will never forget when that trade happened.

1856
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 1: They brought him into town to introduce him at the

1857
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 1: press conference on a day it was like four degrees

1858
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: outside and there was like blizzard like conditions. They took

1859
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: him around the city. They even brought him into the

1860
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 1: station that night for the Red's Hot Stove League show.

1861
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: This city went nuts for Yasiel Puigue. He played one

1862
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 1: hundred games here and then he got traded.

1863
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1864
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 1: Right, and he got traded in the middle of that

1865
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 1: brawl with the Pirates when they were fighting and the

1866
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: he was being traded in all chaos.

1867
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 13: Great picture, great picture forever. But no, I loved watching him.

1868
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: He's exciting. Yes, that's a good one. That's a really

1869
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:11,040
Speaker 1: good one. Hey, I'm glad you called.

1870
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 13: Thanksam okay, thank you ya.

1871
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,679
Speaker 1: See Holpewig one hundred games is read twenty two homers

1872
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 1: and the brawl. Oh man, how about Dave who gets

1873
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: the final caller word tonight? Dave, give me a name

1874
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:26,719
Speaker 1: of a Cincinnati short timer.

1875
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 3: How about Frank Viola.

1876
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 1: Frank Viola, there's a blast from the past. Certainly had

1877
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: an impact before he got here and then didn't have

1878
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: much of an impact what he was here exactly. Frank Viola,

1879
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: who won I think we won to a cy young

1880
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: and had done major things with the Minnesota Twins, and

1881
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: the Reds got him in the ninety five season, and

1882
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 1: he pitched a grand total of three games that season. Good, Yes,

1883
01:40:54,960 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: I am that officially qualifies as a short timer. Thanks

1884
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: for calling. All right, that was a good one. Let

1885
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: me give you what I have to round out the show.

1886
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: Here are the other names that I came up with.

1887
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: And again props to Jason Cohen of Cincinnati Magazine who

1888
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,640
Speaker 1: initially wrote this was part of their series I'm going

1889
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: to say six weeks ago, and I'm gonna use more

1890
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 1: from it because it was such a great series of

1891
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 1: the greatest athletes in Cincinnati sports history, and they did

1892
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: some sub stories and topics inside of all that, and

1893
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: one was short timers athletes with short stints in the

1894
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: Queen City. And Jason loved the story, and hope you

1895
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 1: don't mind me using it to turn into a topic

1896
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: as well. I would add Mike Cameron. The Reds acquired

1897
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: Mike Cameron from the White Sox for Paul Konerko. Cameron

1898
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: spent one year here in the ninety nine season, twenty

1899
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: homers thirty eight steals, and then turned around at the

1900
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: end of that season and the Reds traded him to

1901
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 1: the Mariners as part of the King Griffy Junior trade,

1902
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: so Paul Konerko had come from the Dot had come

1903
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,759
Speaker 1: from the Die for Jeff Shaw and then Paul Konerko.

1904
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 1: After the playing with the Reds for the final month

1905
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 1: and a half of the season, getting eighty one played appearances,

1906
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: hitting two nineteen, was then flipped in the offseason for

1907
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: Mike Cameron. Cameron played one season with the Reds and

1908
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 1: then he was flipped for King Griffey Junior in that deal.

1909
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 1: Jim Edmonds short timer twenty ten thirteen games. I want

1910
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: to say Jim Edmonds injured himself rounding second base on

1911
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: a home run trot, and I don't was that the

1912
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: last time he played in the majors. He hurt his quad,

1913
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 1: I think, And I don't remember if he played again

1914
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: after that, But certainly Jim Edmonds prior to that Gold

1915
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: Glove guy almost four hundred home runs over twelve hundred

1916
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:49,160
Speaker 1: RBIs he fits our list. Josh Harrison twenty thirteen came

1917
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 1: to the Bengals, had been a Steeler eighty sacks, did

1918
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 1: very little here, had great stories about acupuncture, and then

1919
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: went back to the Steelers and played four more years.

1920
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Gosman, Joe wat Ellen and I were talking about

1921
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 1: this during the break. He pitches for the Toronto Blue

1922
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 1: Jays in twenty nineteen. The Atlanta Braves had I want

1923
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: to say, they released Kevin Gosman or placed him on waivers,

1924
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:20,639
Speaker 1: and Dick Williams either claimed him or signed him after

1925
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 1: he cleared waivers. I think he may have even claimed

1926
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: him and inherited the final amount of money on the

1927
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 1: contract to try to resurrect him. And he made fifteen

1928
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: appearances with the Reds and at the end of the

1929
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: year he became a free agent and he left and

1930
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:39,679
Speaker 1: since then two All Star teams and got Cy Young

1931
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:43,600
Speaker 1: votes three different seasons, pitching for the Giants and the

1932
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jays. Kevin Gosman Garrison Hirst a Bengal nineteen

1933
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:56,000
Speaker 1: ninety six, had done things with Arizona, got hurt, came here,

1934
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:01,080
Speaker 1: rushed for almost nine hundred yards in one season, left

1935
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: and went to the Niners and rushed for a total

1936
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: of like eight thousand yards in his career. Who else

1937
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to run out of time on these?

1938
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:15,600
Speaker 2: Did I do?

1939
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:20,679
Speaker 1: Jeff Montgomery? Jeff Montgomery in nineteen eighty seven pitched fourteen

1940
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 1: games for the Reds, had an earned run average of

1941
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 1: six and a half, and they traded him to the

1942
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 1: Royals to get Van Snyder. Jeff Montgomery went on to

1943
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 1: appear and save three hundred and four games, was a

1944
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:39,839
Speaker 1: three time All Star, including forty five saves. In nineteen

1945
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: eighty three. Van Snyder did nothing as a red I

1946
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 1: think that's all I have time for. I can't tell

1947
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: you how much I enjoyed this topic. I can't tell

1948
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 1: you how excited I am I finally used it tonight.

1949
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how stressed I am about finding

1950
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,560
Speaker 1: it off the beaten path topic. Email me if you

1951
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 1: have one Halloween theme or not. I tell you one

1952
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 1: thing I am considering is things that's simply things that

1953
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: scare you in the Halloween theme of whether it's heights

1954
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,600
Speaker 1: or scenes from movies that scared you, something like that.

1955
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,760
Speaker 1: That'd be the obvious layup based on the events, but

1956
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be that. I will work on it.

1957
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:24,719
Speaker 1: Thanks Joe Well for producing. Thanks to you for taking

1958
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,439
Speaker 1: a listen. This has been Nail Carrier Sports Talk presented

1959
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 1: by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW