1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: You found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: That's up. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 3: It's a five that for three. This is ESPN fifteen 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 3: thirty on Molegger. Thanks for listening. My thanks to Chad 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 3: Brendo for pinch hitting yesterday as well as last Thursday 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: and Friday. It is awesome to be back. And holy hell, 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 3: do we have a billion things to discuss. Paul Danner 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 3: Junior is here. It's day two of NFL legal tampering. 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 3: The Bengals have done stuff. What else may they do? 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 3: We will discuss with Paul also a little bit later 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: on well, we'll tackle the Hunter Green situation where he's 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: gonna miss fifteen seventeen thirty. 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 14 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 3: Hunter Green's hurt again having surgery, although it's not Tommy 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 3: John surgery, so that's good. We've got that to discuss. 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: We're actually gonna steal. We're gonna steal from since e 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: three to sixty. Since Tony and Austin are off tomorrow 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: and maybe off the rest of the week depending on 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: what happens with UK. We'll go to good Year and 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: chat with our guy Charlie Goldsmith coming up in the 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: five o'clock hour. We're gonna go to Seattle as well. 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: We've got our sports lawyer on Attorney Stewart W. Penrose, 23 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: on a whole bunch of different topics, and I feel 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: like this happens every year. 25 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,279 Speaker 2: We've got the Bearcats in the Big. 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: Twelve tournament while we're on the air, and so Tarn 27 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: wants to stream the entire show live on Twitter so 28 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: you can enjoy the spectacle of me living and dying 29 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 3: through a uc Utah game, which Paul Daanner Junior gets 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: to be a part of. 31 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: He is here in studio. 32 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: Show previews also available on Twitter at Moeger Thanks to 33 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: shareff Facts Credit Union, Paul covered the Bengals for the 34 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: Athletic as well as the Growler podcast. They are doing 35 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 3: live reaction episodes every single night this week, or at 36 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: least four nights this week with a free agency unfolding. 37 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: You could watch last night's featuring Paul and Jay Morrison 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: and Charlie Goldsmith and Mark Shalafu on YouTube. Also get 39 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: It where you get your podcast. Paul has been very busy, 40 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: but still awesome to have him in studio. How's it going? 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: One of my favorite days Every year, at least once 42 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 4: I get to watch you watch a game while doing this. 43 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 4: Show like this typically works out where I get one, 44 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: and I always I always love it because I can 45 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: always know when I need to go ahead and take 46 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 4: control of this. I just wait totally turned towards the TV, 47 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: and I can see the investment. I'm like, all right, 48 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 4: I'll take the next four minutes. Well, we'll see how 49 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: that goes. I will tell you this. 50 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: I flew back yesterday and the plane hits the ground, 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: and I had been asleep. And the first thing that 52 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: happens is I look at the woman next to me, 53 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: and I sheepishly just kind of make that look as 54 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: if to say, I know I was snoring, yea, and 55 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 3: you know I was snoring. Thank you for not waking 56 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: me up. My apologies. Then I look at my phone. 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: I get duped by the fake Jordan Schultz. Okay, happens whatever. 58 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: Sometimes we all get got. And then I see, like, 59 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: you could not have bought me a better presence. We're 60 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: going to replace Geno Stone, perhaps my least favorite Bengals 61 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: player of all time, with Brian Cook not only one 62 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: of my favorite all time U SEE players, but a 63 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: guy known for doing exactly what Geno Stone couldn't do. Frankly, 64 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: the Bengals don't have to do anything else. Now I'm 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 3: good here. 66 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, they delivered the ideal Moegger gift. 67 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I'll say. 68 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 4: I mean when we were doing stuff in the run up, 69 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: I feel like we do this a lot where we'll 70 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 4: talk about what's your favorite fit, what do you want? 71 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 4: And we'll do a lot of that what would you do? 72 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 4: Whereas you know, I think that my feeling is I 73 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 4: always try to do a better job of saying what 74 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 4: will they do? And those things aren't normally the same. 75 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: They kind of were here, like when we were talking 76 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: in the run up about what would be your favorite fits? 77 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 4: What are the things that you want them to do? 78 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: What should they be doing? Cook and Boye Mafe were 79 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: at the top of those lists in all of our 80 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 4: conversations that we had, and in fact, one of the 81 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: only reasons I pushed Cook down my list was I 82 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: didn't think they would want to go all the way 83 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 4: up to that number at a position they've never valued before, 84 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: and here they are valuing this position. 85 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah? Right? 86 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 4: And so I think when you combine those two things 87 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 4: together and specifically what Cook brings, which is look, finally 88 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 4: just say, all right, shouldn't let Jesse Bates watch right? 89 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: We can finally have got that one, Like all right, yeah, 90 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 4: a three year band aid experiment. 91 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: It needs to end. 92 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: You need to make a real investment at this position 93 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: and find a guy who can do the things that 94 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: you needed to do and specifically play in the post 95 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 4: and when he comes downhill not miss the tackle. 96 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 5: Yep. 97 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: And I talked about this last night on the show, 98 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: but you know, in his four years in the NFL, 99 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 4: Brian Cook has twenty two missed tackles and last year 100 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 4: Gino Stone had twenty three missed tackles. 101 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. 102 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: I mean, you are truly going from a top five 103 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 4: tackling safety, or from a top bottom five to a 104 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 4: top five tackling safety and putting him next to Jordan Battle, 105 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 4: who got exponentially better at that as the year went along. 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: I think you how can you not love that moves? 107 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 4: It's exactly what they need. 108 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: What's interesting is we did the mock draft mock free 109 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: agent draft last week, and I mentioned Kobe Bryant because 110 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 3: I'm thinking of the V word versatility. I think Kobe's 111 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: a little bit more of a versatile player. And there's 112 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: an argument that can be made for versatility at every position, 113 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: hell in every sport. But I could certainly understand looking 114 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: at a certain thing, right, a certain bringing the guy 115 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: to the ground has got the ball like a certain thing. 116 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: And so my very first thought with Brian Cook was 117 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: my biggest pet peeve with this defense has been the 118 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: explosives and the inability to make tackles. Okay, well at 119 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: this one position where it's been a major red flag, 120 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: a major issue that's been rectified with one signing, and 121 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: they paid for it. They didn't try to go bargain basement. 122 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: They didn't go, you know what, Brian cooks, maybe a 123 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: little bit too pricey for us, Let's find a cheaper version. 124 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: They went and got the guy who's available at that 125 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 3: position where the guy before him couldn't do this one thing. 126 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: The new guy doesn't sign me up. 127 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And the type of player where you have the 128 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 4: highest percentage chance of hitting in free agency, which is 129 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 4: the guy coming off of his rookie contract who's played 130 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 4: at a good level. I mean, you hear a lot 131 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 4: about the confidence that he was playing with in Kansas 132 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: City last year and plugging him into a place that 133 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 4: and I don't want to play up the like hometown 134 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 4: thing that's. 135 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: Very much overrated. 136 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 4: Sure, but there's a cool factor to that for him, 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 4: for a desire to want to play well here and 138 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 4: an understanding of you know, he's going to be you know, 139 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 4: we talk with we'll talk more about Mafe, but like 140 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 4: the expansion of a role can bring out so much 141 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: more in somebody. I think with Cook giving him a 142 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 4: little bit of leadership of hey, we're paying you to 143 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 4: be a guy, we want you to be the biggest 144 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: version of yourself here is an expansion of who he 145 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 4: can even be as a football player. And he was 146 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: great the last two years, last year specifically, so for 147 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: that fact, this really felt to. 148 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: Me like a. 149 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 4: Calculated execution of a very specific plan. You saw the 150 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 4: things that they felt like they were their issues, and 151 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: at that position, boom, they found the. 152 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: Perfect answer for that. 153 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 4: You knew what they needed to do and to get 154 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: some pass rush and with a lot of other moves 155 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: they could make in the process. And we can talk 156 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 4: about a very interesting yesterday for them. They pinpointed their 157 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 4: the players that were in the bucket for them and 158 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 4: Mafe being at the top of that and again another 159 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: player who got the parallels to hendrickson twenty one signing 160 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: just going on can do all those things. 161 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: But it felt purposeful. 162 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 4: It felt like something they had planned, and it felt 163 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 4: like they went out and they executed that plan and 164 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 4: they did both of those things with a lot of 165 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 4: pivot points happening in front of them. 166 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like, here's what we want. We're not 167 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: going to be deterred, We're not going to talk ourselves 168 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: out of things. And I forget if it was Jay 169 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: or Charlie who last night mentioned like they get accused 170 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: of times by not being very good at multitasking, most 171 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: famously last year with while we're too busy with Jason 172 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: Higgins to really do anything else, so they're in on 173 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 3: Franklin Myers and they don't get him, which okay, And 174 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: I think the way people expect this franchise to operate 175 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: is or they were so in on him that then 176 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: they got caught with their pants down with other. 177 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: Guys that did not happen. That's a step in the 178 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: right direction. 179 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean to not only yes, to be 180 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 4: able to be able to multitask is part of it, 181 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 4: and just to be able to have a focus, like, 182 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 4: let's look to say we're not going to devalue the 183 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 4: safety position. We're not going to say, oh that's man, 184 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 4: twenty million is probably too high here to just say, look, 185 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: it's not you need to fix the position. Yeah, you 186 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 4: need to do this and be and understand that you 187 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 4: need to be willing to be a little uncomfortable to 188 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: fix your football team. 189 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: Right. 190 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: We we talked. 191 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 4: A lot about that in the twenty twenty yeah free 192 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 4: agency period, where it was like, no, you don't want 193 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: to have to overpay for DJ Reader. 194 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: You don't want to have to pay that's where you're at. 195 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: You just had a historically bad defense that badly needs 196 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: starting level players. 197 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: You are if you have to overpay for that, fine. 198 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: It's the reason that you focus so much on getting 199 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: good value in other areas so when you need to 200 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 4: go spend the money you can, you know, I mean, 201 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: let's just take let's take Ted Carris for example, who's 202 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 4: whose contract looks wildly uh low compared to what this 203 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 4: center market has to become. He's got four million in 204 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 4: cash coming to him next year. Well, you're getting great 205 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: value here. You got you use that elsewhere, you're getting 206 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: value in picks that maybe your guys that are starting 207 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: to hit or whatever, well you use that elsewhere. They 208 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: have the money. 209 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: That's just it. 210 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 4: It's like you have the money, you have the ability 211 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: to spend fix your problems. Don't get obsessed with value 212 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: and position. Maybe it's too high, and it's an easy 213 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: thing for us to sit here and say, but we've 214 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 4: seen that show before here, and so to come out 215 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: here in a big day for this organization in twenty 216 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: twenty six and hit those two, you know, i'd call 217 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 4: them at least doubles. We'll see, Yeah, hit those man, 218 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: it's a good sign for where they now can go. 219 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: I think with Mafe, I could hear the alternative, which 220 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: would have been, well, you know, we did draft Shamar 221 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: Stewart and we believe in them, and we you know, 222 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 3: Miles Murphy came on at the end of last year, 223 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 3: and those things can be true. But those things do 224 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 3: not preclude you from going and getting somebody like this 225 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 3: who just you wrote about this leading up to free 226 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: agency that he fits the Trey Hendrickson mold right where 227 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 3: you kind of look at the row of numbers and 228 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: you go, okay, need some context there because of who 229 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: he's playing behind in Seattle. But there's just knowing this franchise, 230 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: it would have been unsurprising to sort of hear, well, 231 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 3: you know, they could have gotten Boy, but here's what 232 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 3: it would have cost. And so you know what, we're 233 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: gonna lean in on Shamar and Miles Murphy and then 234 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: go get bargain basement guy safety. 235 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: Same thing. 236 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: Well, it's it is safety, and it's just not a 237 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: premium position like fit man. You sucked at that position 238 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: last year and pass rush is king, so you have 239 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 3: to go after it. 240 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: And they did both. Yeah, they did both on the 241 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: same day. Yeah. 242 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: I like the biggest reason that I like the Mafe 243 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: signing is I just feel like, you can really this 244 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 4: is them betting on their own evaluation. And I know 245 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 4: some people are listening being like, don't do that, but 246 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 4: I disagree. I think too often they don't listen to 247 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 4: their people enough on trust the evaluation and be willing 248 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 4: to pay for it. And if you're not gonna like 249 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: you know, if you're sitting there and your people are 250 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 4: saying this guy can be a guy the same way 251 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 4: they thought Hendrickson could be a guy, the same way 252 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 4: that they said him over laws in the same way 253 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: with other guys that they have bet on in free whatever. 254 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: Just you gotta trust something at some point, and I 255 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 4: think with Mafe you can absolutely see that, and you 256 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 4: can see the expansion of a role being something bigger here, 257 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: and to be willing to trust that and go for 258 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: it and not say, let's hang on to the idea 259 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 4: of Shamar Stewart and and and go down that road, 260 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 4: or like you said, like the half hearted insurance policy. 261 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: Maybe it's like, well, we'll draft somebody else too, and 262 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 4: they'll be in a rotation. But we're gonna Chamar's gonna 263 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: take that stack. He's gonna be the guy. No, put 264 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: somebody in front of him and make Shamar doing something awesome. 265 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: And if he does that, yeah, then then you're where 266 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 4: Seattle was right, which is where you want to be. Anyway. 267 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 4: You know, you gotta start building those waves. There's nothing 268 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: wrong with that, and so you you love the domino 269 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 4: effect of putting that guy in front. Now, we still 270 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 4: have major issues that we're going to be talking through. 271 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: Were for the millionth year in a row, going to 272 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: be talking about where does the pass rush from the 273 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 4: interior come from? And I think we should dip into 274 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 4: the JFM versus MAFAE decision point that they ended up 275 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: yesterday because I feel like they were at that spot 276 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 4: they were in on JFM, they were you know, his 277 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 4: number ended up being very similar to what mafees ended up, right, 278 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 4: and MAFAE, I think is we talked about this last night. 279 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: The better player probably you, but you can more easily 280 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 4: find another answer at edge and there's just not another 281 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 4: answer at defensive tackle. 282 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,079 Speaker 2: I feel like that's now Could they have gotten him? 283 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 284 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 4: He seemed pretty dead set on going to Tennessee and 285 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 4: playing with Jeffy Simmons aswad again, and like that's sing 286 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: to be a thing, But like if there was a 287 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: chance to go over the top of that to make 288 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: at that position, that's an interesting spot to be in 289 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: because it's just so much harder to fill that, and 290 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 4: they've been trying to fill that, and it just would 291 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 4: be much easier to who knows, maybe it is Reuben 292 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: Bain or whoever comes in on. 293 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: The other side of the draft. 294 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 4: That decision point to pivot off of that, not going 295 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 4: to try to go any further with that and move 296 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 4: to MAFE, I think is one that will probably look 297 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 4: back on especially if they can't still can't find those 298 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: answers at defensive tackle. 299 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: Paul Danner Jenior, you guys are live tonight eight o'clock 300 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: live reaction to anything that may happen between that and 301 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: see my wish is for something to happen between now 302 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: and four o'clock that we could react instantly to. Maybe 303 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 3: that'll happen tonight, who knows, watch that on YouTube this evening. 304 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: Though hopefully that won't be like you see falling down 305 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: five early on It's Utah. 306 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: See, we're already this event has not yet started yet. 307 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: On my computer, it says eighteen twenty to go in 308 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: the first half. 309 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: You know, you can't like that. Neither team has scored. 310 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: And I've seen the turnover banner twice, so you know 311 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: there's one hundred green reds disconnect and there's one hundred 312 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: green and disconnect with as relates to the game app 313 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: that I'm supposed to watch this thing on in the 314 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: computer and I don't know, we'll figure it out during 315 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: the break. 316 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: So what you're saying is I'm probably gonna have to 317 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: take control of the next segment. 318 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: In all likelihood. Yes, Paul Danner Junior is here. Till 319 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: four o'clock. We are jammed between now and six. 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Yes, So we found 333 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: out about the the two signings. 334 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: A little bit less than twenty four hours ago. 335 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: If we get to six o'clock tonight and nothing else 336 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: has happened, is that when the impatience that was starting 337 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: to settle in about two o'clock yesterday comes back. 338 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know something that everyone has been talking 339 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 4: about that we've been talking about as sort of the thing. 340 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: One of the things before this started that you were 341 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: most interested to see was okay, but what's their view 342 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: of linebacker going to be? And I think we have 343 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 4: felt like they were at. 344 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: Least they have expressed a desire to add a veteran 345 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: in there. But we've now seen a lot of the 346 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: linebackers come off of the board. 347 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: I mean, using your thing from last week as a guide, 348 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: I've got more names crossed off than I do names available, 349 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: no doubt, but the top two are still available. 350 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 4: Yes, And so I think there is a lot more 351 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: heat across the league on Caden Ellis right now then 352 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: there is on Leoshanal. So if that, you know, one 353 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 4: price is going up and I don't think the other 354 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 4: one is at this point, so that probably that's probably 355 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: more likely, But that's in the they're working on. They're 356 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 4: working on that position certainly, but that to me, it's 357 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 4: not the only one. Yeah, I mean, I think that's 358 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 4: the one that's in focus. And I do think that 359 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: that list has been paired down channel We've just said it. 360 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 4: He just feels like the perfect fit. So if they 361 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: can find a way to get that done. I think 362 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 4: that's that feels like you'll feel so good to me. 363 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: That's the one that I think if you hit that, 364 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 4: you check that box and you bring in him, it 365 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 4: feels like, Okay, you did it. Like there's other things. 366 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: The rest of it is, you're always going to have 367 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 4: a rest of it that is putting pieces together that 368 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 4: you need to find a couple of diamonds in the 369 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 4: rough or bargain players. 370 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: That's always going to be a part of this. But 371 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: the big. 372 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 4: Boxes you needed to check that you probably needed to 373 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: spend on. That's the last one that I have unchecked. 374 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 4: And he is the perfect guy for it, and it 375 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 4: would be a top of the list then at all 376 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: three of the big ones on defense, I would say, 377 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 4: if you could do that, And so if that's to me, 378 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 4: one thing that hangs out there, and I'm sure if 379 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 4: they pick somebody else, you could talk yourself into whoever 380 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 4: that is. 381 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: But I don't I don't see. I mean, I see 382 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: a pretty big drop off after him. 383 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say n Ellis, especially if Ellis 384 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: becomes expensive. 385 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner hasn't signed yet anywhere. 386 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 4: No, the next thing is that you're asking Bobby Wagner 387 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 4: to do are gonna be very different. I mean, you're 388 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 4: there's got me, green law, got let go. Uh there's 389 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 4: again there's directions you could go. But in terms of 390 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 4: boy that feels right for what they're trying to be, 391 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 4: he seems like the most obvious one. I I don't 392 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 4: think we talk enough about Corner. Jalen Davis is nice 393 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 4: and that was a fun story, but it is that 394 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: the opening day starter. There's no there's no three or four, 395 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 4: you know, beyond your your top two and then I 396 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 4: guess Davis. I think Corner is something and there's some 397 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: good vets that are out there. I love the idea 398 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 4: of bringing back Cheeto, and I know that's a like, well, 399 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: you've seen him before. You know he's a good leader 400 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 4: and will be a good mentor, and he played well 401 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 4: last year when he had an opportunity. So if he 402 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 4: would be willing to come in and be part of that, yeah, 403 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 4: I mean, you you like something there, and there's a couple 404 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 4: of guys in that mold out there that you would 405 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: that you would look at. I'd like to see that 406 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 4: be one of their you know, second third wave attacking 407 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 4: points is to just because you know, I go back 408 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 4: to remember asking Luanna Rumo at like multiple mile posts 409 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 4: of an off season, like vet corner now no corner 410 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: now no, the corner now no, And it just never 411 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 4: came right. Whether that was his decision or front office 412 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 4: is to be determined, but like, you don't want it 413 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 4: to go that way where where it's like, oh, they're 414 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: going to rely on a rookie to be the third 415 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 4: or like get a vet in, get a vet in there. 416 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 4: Don't be relying specifically on the draft to add that 417 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: spot like you. If you do, then you should be 418 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: doing it to supplement but that and then you know, 419 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with defensive tackle. There's just it's 420 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 4: just so thin. 421 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: They're not fixing anything a defensive tackle, and free agency 422 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: they're adding depth, they're getting dudes, they're not fixing their 423 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: issue at that position. 424 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 4: And nobody available now is better than BJ Hill, right 425 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: and that's where it's at. Okay, Like, if if you 426 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 4: put BJ Hill into this market right now, he would 427 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: be the first to go m HM. And BJ was 428 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 4: fine last year and you're hoping that he's got one 429 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 4: more year in him and that it was injury stuff. 430 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: But it's you know the it's still that's a but a, 431 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 4: it's a word. It's a concerning vet. But it's where 432 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 4: you're at. And a lot of teams are in these spots, 433 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 4: but they're in that spot. This really it feels like 434 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 4: it ends with a first. 435 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: Round draft pick. 436 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 4: And whether that's oh, did they overdraft Peter Woods, I 437 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: don't know. It might be the same conversation of did 438 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 4: they overpay Boye Mafe? If you filled the spot, it 439 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 4: might not it might be worth it because it's been 440 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 4: so hard to fill that spot if. 441 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: You really believe in the guy or whatever. 442 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 4: And it feels like this ends with a pick, a 443 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 4: first or second round pick that's in the mix with 444 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 4: them there because there's not a ton of options otherwise. 445 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 3: So it was interesting you guys last night and I 446 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 3: watched it this morning. You started to talk about like, well, 447 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 3: you do these things on defense, could you then use 448 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: the tenth overall. 449 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: Pick on offense? Yeah? 450 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: Could you then really lean into best player available? And 451 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: I keep coming back to wait a minute, if we 452 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: all agree this class of defensive tackles a free agents 453 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: isn't very good, then you have to take a defensive tackle, but. 454 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 4: Not necessarily at ten I mean, I think when you 455 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 4: hear a lot about this draft, you hear a lot 456 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: about this middle day too, defensive tackle group being a 457 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 4: deep one where there's there's a lot to light there. 458 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 4: We've heard that before and I don't always hit, so 459 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 4: there's I think you could see it ending up. I 460 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: think at ten you're still I think you are open 461 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 4: and well again, I think that they'll do a couple 462 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 4: more things that will make it feel even more open. 463 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 4: I'm open to that, but positional value will matter, and 464 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 4: defensive tackle scarcity will be part of that conversation, specifically 465 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 4: depending on what their internal evaluation of a guy like 466 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 4: Peter Woods is, which, as we're learning now, is all 467 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 4: over the map. With teams everybody that I talk to, 468 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: the one thing they say when I ask about him 469 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 4: is man, I hear a lot of different stuff in 470 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 4: terms of where they have him from very high to 471 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: maybe not in the first round, and so which makes 472 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 4: me think he's gonna go very high because it only 473 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 4: takes one so you don't need census for a guy 474 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 4: to go high. But that said, that's gonna be a 475 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 4: big part of that conversation when we do get to 476 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 4: the draft, and I think that was. That's been emphasized 477 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 4: now because they didn't end up really landing any of 478 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: the major free agent players, not that there were a 479 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 4: lot of them. 480 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: This isn't going well so far in Kansas City. Don't 481 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: just let it go. Just take a breath. It's early 482 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: two for eight from the field, three turnovers. It's not 483 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 3: a good start. The Bearcats trail thirteen to six. Just look, 484 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 3: they're just trying to get their legs under you know. Yeah, 485 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: that high Kansas City altitude, it's hard. 486 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: You know, that's being on the road. You got to adjust. 487 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 4: You got this led court you got you never played 488 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: on that before. You got a Probably maybe they need 489 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: new shoes. 490 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: It could be almost anything. I don't know. 491 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: It is early twelve and a half to go. The 492 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 3: Bearcats are now down. 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It's 520 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: not season ending surgery, but he is going to be 521 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 3: expected to make his season debut in July. Meanwhile, Brandon 522 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: Williams going to get the ball today for the Reds 523 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: as they take on the iraqis a talking stick. First 524 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: pitch of that one coming up at four to five 525 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: Big Twelve Tournament first round in Kansas City. Approaching the 526 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: midway point of the first half, Utah leads Cincinnati by 527 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: a score of fifteen to nine. Earlier in that event, 528 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 3: Arizona State knocked off Baylor eighty three to seventy nine. 529 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: There are some other teams playing today that if you're 530 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: a Bearcat fan you're keeping an eye on. One of 531 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 3: them is Stanford playing in the ACC Tournament. The Cardinal 532 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: Trail hit fifty nine to fifty six with just under 533 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 3: four minutes to go. SMU plays against Syracuse later today, 534 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 3: and Virginia Tech will take on Wake Forest. SMU and 535 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: vod Tech, along with Stanford, would be fellow double team 536 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 3: bubble teams, not double teams bubble teams, and the Blue 537 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: Jackets played tonight against Tampa Bay twenty away from four o'clock. 538 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast 539 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 3: is here. Who's going to be the backup quarterback? It's 540 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: a good question. I have an idea. 541 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 4: Okay, So I feel like I've come up with something 542 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 4: right and we have to dip into another sport to execute. 543 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 2: Okay, but Hunter Green, Nope, no, no Premier League Okay, okay, okay. So, 544 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor and Clint Kubiak are friends. 545 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 4: They go all the way back to like a closet 546 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: at Texas A and m as grad assistants together, longtime friends. 547 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 4: Clint Kubiak would not like Fernando Mendoza to be the 548 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: arder immediately for the Raiders. Sure, he would like him 549 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 4: to be be able to sit for a little bit. 550 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: The Bengals would like to have Joe Flacco available to 551 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 4: them if they need him. This is a loan situation. 552 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 4: The Bengals signed Joe Flacco, loan him to the Raiders 553 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 4: and just say you could have Joe Flacco until we 554 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 4: need him. Okay, So, and then they can have whoever 555 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 4: their third quarterback is. 556 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: Technically the backup quarterback here taking reps. Okay, but Flacco 557 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: is available so they don't have to worry about like 558 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: a trade or so maybe and there's a deferral of 559 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: costs for however long he stays in one place first 560 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 2: the other. 561 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 4: He plays for the Raiders until if you know, knock 562 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 4: on the wood there. If something were to happen and 563 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 4: he were needed in Cincinnati, it's over. Flaco's back to Cincinnati. 564 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 4: He's a Bengal again. 565 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: We know he can just step in and play. Is 566 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 2: this allowed? I do not believe? So it needs to be, 567 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: And why can't we just sort of skirt around some rules. 568 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: And make this it maybe just call it a trade. 569 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 4: But you promise to trade us to him under the table, 570 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 4: you know, scribble on a napkin agreement, promise to trade 571 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 4: him to us if we need him. But you can 572 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: have him and just have a little gentleman's agreement there. 573 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 4: And that way Flacco gets to go play. He wants 574 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 4: to play. He keeps his arm fresh, keeps his bike. 575 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: He's in it right. And then if he does happen 576 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 4: to be needed for a couple of weeks or you know, whatever, 577 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 4: comes back, Cincinnati starts throwing at Jamar and t again 578 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 4: and drinks his coffee and eats by himself. 579 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: I love this idea. Now. 580 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: The thing is, though, in life, people do break promises. 581 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: Hey we'll give him back to you, no problem, cantel 582 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: like he's playing well, or there's a hiccup in Mendoza's 583 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: development behind the scenes, and then it's like, hey, we 584 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: need Joe flaccoback. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like tom Brady's 585 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 3: to stand up that. Yeah and Tom Brady, tom Brady's 586 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: gonna the most competitive human being of all time is 587 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: gonna be like, stand God, no problem at all. 588 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: Here, have Joe Flacco back. No, you got it. We 589 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: promised if there were I mean, look, if we I 590 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: think that the NFL should start allowing this. 591 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 4: Oh yes, let's interesting, let's put it in writing. I 592 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: just feel like this is a good way to solve. 593 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: Two teams problems at once. Why can't you do that? 594 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: I I love the idea. I'm not a CBA expert. 595 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: That's as close as I have to a good backup 596 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: quarterback solution, is what I'm saying. Okay, in the absence 597 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 2: of that, what do we got? There's there's not a 598 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: ton of great options. 599 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's not out of the question 600 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 4: that Flacco is back here because the starting jobs are limited. 601 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 4: Although I do look at the Raiders and and that 602 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 4: does seem like that he would be a good bridge 603 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 4: option for them, But there's others that will be competing 604 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 4: for those jobs. So it's not out of the question 605 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 4: that Flacco looks and doesn't see any jobs that he's 606 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: really even competing for, especially now that Tua has kind 607 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 4: of landed in Atlanta and it looks like Kyler's going 608 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 4: to be the guy in Minnesota. And does he want 609 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 4: to go play for the Browns right? Maybe? I guess 610 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 4: he probably does. He has gone there before, but you 611 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 4: know what happens there. Kirk Cousins is out there, Aaron 612 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 4: Rodgers potentially coming back to the Steelers, which you've always 613 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 4: said he could complete the s nor circle over there. 614 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 4: So the jobs are limited, they're getting more limited, so 615 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 4: it's not impossible that he could still just he could 616 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 4: end up being the answer, but it's going to be, 617 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 4: you know, a career backup type or one of these 618 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 4: discarded former starters that that could be around, but there's 619 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: not It's on a long list. 620 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: I don't want to do this, but I feel like 621 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 3: we have to, so I'm just give you the little 622 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 3: visual we're we're gonna talk about Trey. 623 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: Oh there is okay, smiling. I thought, what do you what? 624 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: I really thought you were gonna do. You're going to 625 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: know how hard this is. 626 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 4: I really thought you were going to turn your computer 627 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: towards me and show me a picture of Andy Dalton, 628 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 4: because I was going to be like, yes. 629 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we did that last week, I know. 630 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: But then then instead I get the picture of Trey 631 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 4: looking back at me. 632 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah what yeah, okay, let's do it. Best free agent available. 633 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: Doesn't seem like he's getting what he's looking for. No, stop, 634 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: huh no, what are you saying? Trey Hendrickson hasn't agreed 635 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: to terms with a team yet. No, okay, it's not happening. 636 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: What do you mean. No, I don't want him back. 637 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no, like the 638 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: Bengals got it right. Yes, that's that's where I'm going 639 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,479 Speaker 2: with it. 640 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 4: I thought you were No no, no, not even me. 641 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 2: No, Like I've got new toys to play with. 642 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: Okay, Brian Cook will allow me to make fun of 643 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: Gino's Stone for the next four years. 644 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: I'm good time, I have something. I am fine, sweating. 645 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, no, I don't want Trey back, but look, man, 646 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 3: the best free agent available, right, the guy that the 647 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: Bengals had no twenty twenty six plans for. Now we 648 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 3: can go back and say they should have traded him, 649 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 3: and accurately so. But you talk about like being pseudo vindicated, here, 650 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 3: it's the Bengals as it relates to Trey Hendrickson, because 651 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 3: it feels like the entire league is like, yeah, man, 652 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 3: we're not giving you what the Bengals wouldn't give you either. 653 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: I would argue this has been the most vindicating twenty 654 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 4: four hours of pr for the Bengals front office in years, 655 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 4: between one the activity that they had yesterday and how 656 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: they did go after a free agency while everyone was 657 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 4: yelling him about you know, they're not going to do 658 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 4: anything and they're dumb and cheap and all that stuff 659 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: that's been being yelled, and then the rest of the 660 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 4: league and sort of the public now having a broader 661 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 4: view of the disconnect between the negotiation with Trey Hendrickson 662 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 4: right and value there. Now, I do think that discussion 663 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 4: has changed this year compared to what it was in 664 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 4: previous I mean, injury another year older, but yeah, this 665 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 4: is This is the I think been their point is 666 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 4: that we've been trying to get a longer deal done 667 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 4: with Trey. 668 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: You know, this was what they were. 669 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 4: Saying at least, and they didn't see his value the 670 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 4: same way he does. And now the rest of the 671 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 4: league is saying we don't see his value the same 672 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 4: way he does. 673 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: And out. 674 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 4: I don't want to come across as I mean whatever, 675 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 4: as a Trey hater here on this, but like the 676 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 4: league understands when they just when you're you're just out 677 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 4: to get sacks and you're not doing much, you're not 678 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 4: a well rounded player. They see where it hurts the 679 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 4: team when all it is is sacks and there's nothing 680 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 4: really happening in the run game and there it in 681 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 4: whatever's all the other stuff that happens, right, Like they 682 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 4: see that and they know that, and there's the age 683 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 4: factor is so huge in this, Like they're just not 684 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 4: gonna key, especially when there's an injury involved now that 685 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 4: you're counting on somebody coming back from there's it's the 686 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: league is too smart to think that you're gonna pull 687 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 4: the wool over their eyes and just yell seventeen and 688 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 4: a half sacks like they're just that's just not how 689 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,720 Speaker 4: it operates. Trey is a really good player. 690 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: He is exceptional at rushing the passer, exceptional, and that is. 691 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 4: A skill worth paying. But there are a lot of 692 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 4: other variables that take you from getting paid off a 693 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 4: lot to getting paid the top of the market. And 694 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 4: I think there's you know, where that conversation is landing 695 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 4: in between him and what was the Bengals and now 696 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 4: is the rest of the league. 697 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see where it ends up. But obviously 698 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: there's gonna be some kind of a compromise, and I 699 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 2: don't think that the league is gonna come to work. 700 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 3: I mean, my take on this all along was having 701 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 3: full appreciation for what Trey did. It was going to 702 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 3: be if and when he hits the open market, we're 703 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 3: going to know instantly whether or not the Bengals kind 704 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: of got this right right, and we do. He'll play 705 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 3: in the NFL, He'll get paid handsomely. I oh, you 706 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: play as well. But like, I only bring it up 707 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 3: because I feel like this thing that I think a 708 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 3: lot of folks were waiting to pounce on the Bengals 709 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: for getting wrong. I agree they should have traded him 710 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 3: a year ago. Right now, all signs are indicating that 711 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 3: they got it right. 712 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 2: Now. Here's what I predict is going to happen. 713 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 3: He's gonna sign with a team, and probably I don't know, 714 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 3: what would you think, maybe in the ballpark of twenty 715 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 3: five mil a year, in that roughness somewhere, Probably he'll 716 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 3: sign that contract. The league year starts tomorrow and he'll 717 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 3: sign that deal, and then he'll hold out in June and. 718 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: Just hey, I need more money. Yeah this is not enough. 719 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: Literally just signed the contract. Yeah, but I'm gonna need 720 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just I don't know. Talk to 721 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 3: my wife, thought about it a lot. So Yeah, I 722 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 3: got my golf shirt on. I don't know if I'm 723 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 3: gonna come to practice, and and then and then another 724 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: host in another city is gonna get a chance to 725 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 3: have as much fun with Trey as I have a 726 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 3: minute each. Your thoughts on what the Ravens have done 727 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 3: where they trade two first round picks for Max Crosby 728 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 3: and then like everybody else leaves and they screw up 729 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 3: this Tyler Lindenbaum situation. 730 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 4: I don't know that they I mean, if they screwed 731 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 4: up the Linderbaum situation, I mean I don't think anybody 732 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 4: was gonna pay him that much money. When they signed Crosby, 733 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 4: I thought, if I'm the Ravens, my first thought isn't 734 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 4: how awesome is this for our defense? 735 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 2: It's what does this mean for our offensive line? 736 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 4: They already had to worry about that, and now it 737 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 4: basically crossed off having linderbomb back. They're just they already 738 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 4: were gonna kind of have to be building their their 739 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 4: trenches back up, specifically their offensive line, and they weren't 740 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 4: going to be able to spend. They now took a 741 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 4: first round pick to help fill that off the board 742 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 4: as well, and that just gets a lot more difficult. 743 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 4: And it goes to show one that things are I 744 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 4: don't know if they're changing or or a sense of desperation, 745 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 4: which I don't. I guess despiration is the wrong word 746 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 4: because it's a new coach, but like a sense of 747 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 4: something very different happening in Baltimore to do something that 748 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 4: they've literally never done. They've never traded a first round 749 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 4: pick for a veteran player, and they just traded to how. 750 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 3: The Steelers had a good tampering period. Who's their quarterback? 751 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: Correct? Like? I can't. I'm sorry it doesn't matter. It 752 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,919 Speaker 2: just it feels like it's like talking about how good 753 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: the Browns defense is. 754 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 5: Cool. 755 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: It feels like this Steelers free agency is the same 756 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 3: as the last six. Yeah, we're saying this early, but 757 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 3: it's the question for going back to Ben's last couple 758 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 3: of years, is who you got behind sennes still another quarterback? 759 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 2: Right And until they fix that, we can say whatever 760 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 2: you want to about the rearranging the pieces and oh 761 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: they oh they have Michael Pittman. Now like that's great, Like, I, 762 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: who's your quarterback? I just can't. 763 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 4: I can't care as much about the rest of it 764 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 4: if that's still the same problem. 765 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 3: But the Browns very quiet. I mean, we know who 766 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 3: their quarterbacks are. We know who their quarterbacks are. But 767 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 3: I think the conjecture coming out of Cleveland has been 768 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 3: that this is not going to be a very note 769 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 3: for a franchise that has made a lot of noise 770 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 3: this week for years, not a ton of noise coming 771 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 3: from Cleveland. And if I'm a Browns fan, I don't 772 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 3: know that upsets me all that much. 773 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean they can do whatever they want. 774 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 4: This this screams. 775 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 2: We're here for the twenty twenty seven draft and to 776 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 2: try to get our quarterback. 777 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 3: There all right tonight at eight o'clock, Yes, eight to nine, 778 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 3: eight to nine, we will be there, you guys reacting 779 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 3: to now, what if nothing happens between now and we've 780 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 3: got a. 781 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 4: Lot that we got a lot to talk about that 782 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 4: we didn't totally dive into from yesterday. And there's still 783 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 4: some more topics I think we've got. We're gonna do 784 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 4: a little bit more you. 785 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 3: On the show, you know, just flushed out that Joe 786 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 3: Flacco scenario. 787 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 4: Is that it's on the list because we did. I 788 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 4: wanted to get to that last night, but we were, 789 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 4: you know, busy talking about we have. 790 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 3: Been signing and then holding out as a more likely 791 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 3: I think there's a pretty good chance that we can 792 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 3: trot out the trays of our Lives graphic one last 793 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 3: time tonight to talk about him. 794 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 2: That will be a topic. 795 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 4: And plus we the chats rolling, so we just kind 796 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 4: of whenever we run out of things, we just kind 797 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 4: of turned to the question. So if people want to 798 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 4: come in and ask them questions, just drop on it 799 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 4: and send them to us. 800 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 3: All right, So you have that tonight, tomorrow and Thursday, 801 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 3: last Night's is available if you want to watch it, 802 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 3: and we'll talk to you next week. I asked you. 803 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 3: I'm off next Tuesday, so can we talk to you 804 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 3: on Monday. 805 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to you on Monday. It sounds 806 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: great start the week. 807 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have you know what you'll have ye mock draft. 808 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 2: I don't know if you have time for this. 809 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 4: They they outlawed the use of the dot os on us. 810 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 4: Really athletic, Yes, really, And I like to think I 811 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 4: played a role in this with my zero point five Shenanigans. 812 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 2: Sew up at the New York Times. Right, I'm the 813 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 2: only one that was properly using the decimal system to 814 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 2: make it mean something, and now it's been taken away. 815 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 3: So we'll see if I can if I can get 816 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 3: it back. Bearcats are on a ten to run here. 817 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 3: They've pulled within a point five minutes to go eighteen 818 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 3: to seventeen in favor of the utes you were so 819 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 3: downs a second ago. They're about to take the lead here. Sure, 820 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: beat Utah win tomorrow, shock Arizona. 821 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 2: Then you can watch them in Dayton. Fine by me. Yeah. 822 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 3: Paul Danner Junior The Athletic dot Com read his work 823 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 3: on the Bengals and again the Live Growler podcast tonight. 824 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 3: The show starts at eight o'clock goes till nine tonight, 825 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,399 Speaker 3: tomorrow and Thursday. 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