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Speaker 2: five hundred and the Bearcats go for seven straight on that,
Speaker 2: the voice of both Dan Horr jumps in this morning
Speaker 2: on the Big One. Danny, It's been a interesting week,
Speaker 2: to say the least, sports wise. I let me begin
Speaker 2: real quick. I'm going to put you on the spot
Speaker 2: as I usually do. Your take on this NBA scandal.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously surprised by some of the people that are involved,
Speaker 3: most notably Portland's head coach Shauncey Billups. But when you
Speaker 3: embrace gambling to the extent that professional sports leagues have,
Speaker 3: it seemed inevitable to me that at some point something
Speaker 3: like this was going to happen. So in that sense,
Speaker 3: I can't say that I'm shocked.
Speaker 2: What strikes me is the stupidity of the bets that
Speaker 2: were being placed, because we know, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: a professional giving, you know, they monitor all these algorithms,
Speaker 2: watching social media, doing all this stuff is. Remember the
Speaker 2: scandal that sort of involved that. You see Bearcat baseball
Speaker 2: team of the guy from was It Alabama was betting
Speaker 2: on Alabama and put like one hundred thousand dollars down
Speaker 2: to sports book ATPA. You know they're gonna flag that.
Speaker 2: They're going to see that instantly. Now, the X ray
Speaker 2: poker tables, that's a different story. I got to go
Speaker 2: to Watson's to give me an X ray poker table.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. That was incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically face down cards can be seen. Wow
Speaker 3: with an X ray table. I remember the X ray
Speaker 3: glasses in the back of comic book. When I was
Speaker 3: a kid, I never sprung for a pair. They always
Speaker 3: looked intriguing.
Speaker 2: If I were sitting at a table, my concern would
Speaker 2: be cut in the game and it'd be like, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, you had an X ray device on where
Speaker 2: I'm sitting near my crotch for how many hours? That's
Speaker 2: a real problem. That's a different problem anyway. Uh, that's
Speaker 2: the stuff I worry about. Let's pivot to. Let's start
Speaker 2: with you see this morning break it up simply because
Speaker 2: you've got to give them love there on a heater,
Speaker 2: like we haven't seen in a long time. Good for
Speaker 2: Sadderfield because he's been in a hot seat. Let's face it,
Speaker 2: looking a rip off. A seventh straight win. They dismantled
Speaker 2: the Cowboys in front of shirtless students was arguably it
Speaker 2: was one of the coolest college football things I've seen
Speaker 2: because they were getting pounded and these students were still
Speaker 2: going nuts with their shirt off, shirts off. Bearcat said
Speaker 2: at number twenty one in the AP their bowl eligible
Speaker 2: now early on in this thing, and they got homecoming
Speaker 2: against Baylor at four o'clock and you on the call.
Speaker 3: Great opportunity for Cincinnati to keep moving toward possibly playing
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve Championship game at the end of
Speaker 3: the year. In Dallas, they've got five games left in
Speaker 3: the regular season. Three of the five are at home,
Speaker 3: which is good, including tomorrow's four o'clock homecoming game. If
Speaker 3: you go into the brand new palatial UC indoor practice facility,
Speaker 3: there are TV monitors on the wall that list their
Speaker 3: fourteen goals and the fourth and final thing listed is
Speaker 3: simply one word, Dallas. That's what they've been focused on,
Speaker 3: trying to get to the Big twelve Championship game in Dallas.
Speaker 3: It seems far fetched to many the beginning of the year. Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: certainly outside of this area, is not expected to compete
Speaker 3: for the Big twelve title. But they're legit. This is
Speaker 3: not fluky. They've got a great offense, they've got an
Speaker 3: opportunistic defense. It'd be nice to see the defense get
Speaker 3: off the field a little bit more frequently on third
Speaker 3: and fourth down. But having said that, it's a legitimately
Speaker 3: good team and it should be a great game tomorrow
Speaker 3: because Baylor scores a ton of points, so it couldn't
Speaker 3: shoot out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they average like over thirty six points per game.
Speaker 2: That could be a challenge for the for the SINCD.
Speaker 1: No doubt.
Speaker 3: Baylor's quarterback Sawyer Robertson leads the nation in passing yards.
Speaker 3: He's tied for first and touchdown passes. Now, their defense
Speaker 3: has really struggled. They're giving up more than thirty points
Speaker 3: a game. So I would expect Cincinnati's offense to be
Speaker 3: able to go up and down the field, but defense
Speaker 3: is going to have to get some stops for the
Speaker 3: Bearcat to pull it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with Brandon Soarsby, of course, it just feels
Speaker 2: like he's going to be a you know, fifty two
Speaker 2: to forty two shootouts. This guy, it has a feel
Speaker 2: all over.
Speaker 3: Maybe not quite the high I'm going that high.
Speaker 2: I love the score. I'm a freak for the touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they've had a couple of games this
Speaker 3: year where both teams scored in the thirties. They beat
Speaker 3: Kansas thirty seven thirty four. They beat Iowa State thirty
Speaker 3: eight to thirty. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So that is tomorrow homecoming at the
Speaker 2: Universe Cincinnati. Tony Pike getting entered in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: which is pretty cool to see pikeer doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tremendous weekend for my broadcast partners.
Speaker 2: Tony Pike goes into the UC Hall of Fame tonight.
Speaker 3: That ceremony is tonight, and of course Laugh goes into
Speaker 3: the Bengals Ring of Honor on Sunday at halftime with
Speaker 3: Leap and Lamar Parish. So I'm a crier, sloany, I
Speaker 3: get about these things. So if you hear me get
Speaker 3: choked up on either broadcast, you'll know.
Speaker 2: What that's awesome. Yeah, Well, you're a good guy and
Speaker 2: you deserve now and and your day is I think
Speaker 2: at some point, I mean, you're ready the UC You're
Speaker 2: gonna be the Ring you honor next year. I'm voting
Speaker 2: Dan Horde Ring of Honor twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: I am not eligible and I do not belong that
Speaker 3: should be reserved or former players, coaches or the guy
Speaker 3: who started the franchise, Paul Brown. Aside from that, I
Speaker 3: don't think any other name should be up on the ring.
Speaker 4: Bock.
Speaker 2: Let's jump to that game on Sunday, on Dave Lapham Day.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the three and four Bengals six and
Speaker 2: a half point favorites over the hapless Jets are oh
Speaker 2: and seven. But a coach will tell you, we look,
Speaker 2: there's any no more dangerous team than an OH to
Speaker 2: seven club. That said, Dan, it's just what the injuries
Speaker 2: I have. I don't know how the Jets pull this off.
Speaker 2: I really don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, less the injuries for me than it is the quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: So Justin Fields and Tyrod Taylor are not about to
Speaker 3: be confused with Montana Marino and Uniteds or Flaco. Justin
Speaker 3: Fields has been or Flack or Justin Fields has been dreadful.
Speaker 3: They switched to Tyrod Taylor at halftime of their lost
Speaker 3: last week. Neither quarterback led the team to a touchdown.
Speaker 3: Their owner, Woody Johnson, blasted Justin Fields earlier this week,
Speaker 3: basically defending his coach by saying how lousy his quarterback is.
Speaker 3: So that's atypical FORFL owner to do that. So the
Speaker 3: quarterback play has been bad. I do think their defense
Speaker 3: is good. They've only given up thirteen points in each
Speaker 3: of the last two games, so it might be difficult
Speaker 3: for the Bengals to put a big offensive number.
Speaker 1: On the board.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't expect either of those quarterbacks to lead
Speaker 3: the Jets to a bunch of points.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mentioned the injuries, and we're kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: a homecoming if you will, on homecoming weekend for Sauce
Speaker 2: Gardner doesn't look like he's going. He's got a concussion
Speaker 2: and you may recall I think that it was twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, I believe, and he single handedly shut down
Speaker 2: the Chase in Higgins.
Speaker 3: He's one of the best corners in the NFL. He's
Speaker 3: being paid like he got a huge extension prior to
Speaker 3: this season, and we all know what he's capable of
Speaker 3: from his tremendous career at UC so, Yes, that is
Speaker 3: a gigantic loss for the Jets as they try to
Speaker 3: contend with Plac o' higgins, Chase, etc.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a problem. And then on the other side
Speaker 2: of the ball for them, I mentioned the injuries. Garrett
Speaker 2: Wilson has the knee. More than one in four completions
Speaker 2: have gone his way. He's twenty fifth in receivers in
Speaker 2: the league right now as a first rounder out of
Speaker 2: the Ohio State. But is he going to be interrupted?
Speaker 2: We know yet, I think out.
Speaker 3: According to a Rich Samini, who covers the Jets for ESPN,
Speaker 3: my former college classmate at Tyracuse University, he says he
Speaker 3: expects Garrett Wilson to be out partly because of any injury,
Speaker 3: partly because they have a bye next week, so this
Speaker 3: would give him a couple of weeks. And he missed
Speaker 3: last week's game, so it would give him three weeks
Speaker 3: to recover from that injury. And if you look at
Speaker 3: the Jets receiving corps beyond Garrett Wilson, there's no doubt
Speaker 3: it's the worst in the NFL. I mean, Alan Lazard,
Speaker 3: the former Green Bay Packer, is on that roster.
Speaker 2: But he's on the back nine.
Speaker 3: Josh Reynolds is probably their second best wide receiver and
Speaker 3: he's not very good. So this is a very poor
Speaker 3: receiving group once you remove Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, plus you have Tyrod Taylor in there too, and
Speaker 2: you just look at it and you think the Bengals
Speaker 2: can feast the area concerned. Of course, Preece Hall, running
Speaker 2: back top twenty yards per carry, got stopped to run
Speaker 2: on Sunday.
Speaker 3: All is the best player on the offense, especially with
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson out, and you know, he's a great player.
Speaker 3: Replaced David Montgomery at Iowa State as the running back,
Speaker 3: and much like David Montgomery, he's proven to be an
Speaker 3: excellent NFL player. So yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Looking at that offense, that's the person that you put
Speaker 3: a gigantic circle around as the number one priority to
Speaker 3: shut down or at least, you know, hold them to
Speaker 3: reasonable numbers. And if the Bengals do that, I think
Speaker 3: the Jets are really struggle to score.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you look at that the pass
Speaker 2: protection Jets have getten up thirty one sacks through seven games,
Speaker 2: of the worst of the NFL. The old line is terrible.
Speaker 2: You've got a less mobile Tyrod Taylor in there. You
Speaker 2: would expect it to be a really, really good day
Speaker 2: for that Bengals.
Speaker 3: Dealon offensive line, well, let me backtrack. Stacks are not
Speaker 3: just an offensive line that. It's a quarterback stat too,
Speaker 3: and I do think one of the reasons why they've
Speaker 3: given up so many sacks is justin fields. As mobile
Speaker 3: as he is, holds on to the ball for ever. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he doesn't see it like the elite quarterbacks do. So
Speaker 3: I would expect Tyrod Taylor to get rid of it
Speaker 3: quicker and that'll make it more difficult to get to him.
Speaker 3: But your point is right, it's not a great offensive line.
Speaker 3: They haven't invested first round picks in both tackles, and
Speaker 3: I think both of those guys will eventually be good,
Speaker 3: but they're not there yet.
Speaker 2: Dan Horde, voice of the Bengals and the Bearcats. Big
Speaker 2: weekend for both teams of the Jets in town. We're
Speaker 2: pivoting on that right now. We're talking about that right now.
Speaker 2: I also look at the quarterback matchup too, and we'll
Speaker 2: rewind of the Steeler game. To me, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're the same. The best thing about last week's was
Speaker 2: how angry What was going through Mike Tomlin's head walking
Speaker 2: from the locker room to the bus and thinking how
Speaker 2: Cleveland probably should have got I don't know, like a
Speaker 2: half a win with that one for trading him to us,
Speaker 2: and right before the Steelers it was fantastic.
Speaker 3: I would buy a ticket for the Mike Tomlin Andrew
Speaker 3: Berry fight.
Speaker 2: Can we just put up a.
Speaker 3: Boxing ring in the middle of an NFL stadium and
Speaker 3: that a Steelers coach square off against the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 3: GM That would be very entertaining. Mike Common definitely wanted
Speaker 3: a piece of him after that game last Thursday night.
Speaker 3: And yes, thank you Cleveland for trading Joe Flacker to
Speaker 3: the Bengals. Bengals fans are chanting that, yep. After the
Speaker 3: game when Joe Flacco was interviewed by the Amazon Prime crew,
Speaker 3: thank you Cleveland. So it turned out to be a
Speaker 3: great trade, at least so far. He's been spectacular in
Speaker 3: his last six quarters and you're hoping he keeps it
Speaker 3: up On a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ghost of Paul Brown rising up and beating
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I absolutely love it. What was that most
Speaker 2: surprising aspect of that game last week with the Steeler
Speaker 2: went for you, Dan.
Speaker 3: Really just how easy it looks for Flacco right now.
Speaker 3: I mean the simple fact that he was able to
Speaker 3: come in here on a Tuesday, hould his first practice
Speaker 3: on a Wednesday, and play well in the second half
Speaker 3: against Green Bay in Week one, and then have a
Speaker 3: short week in Week two and it looks like he's
Speaker 3: been here for five years instead of you know, at
Speaker 3: that point nine days. So the fact that he's playing
Speaker 3: at such a high level with so little time invested
Speaker 3: with the Bengals, that's what's most remarkable to me.
Speaker 2: He had a called him the goat for two reasons,
Speaker 2: you know, the grismelter, but also the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: like like in in the horse racing, you is, they
Speaker 2: have like a goat that hangs out in the stables
Speaker 2: to kind of keep be a but kind of calmed
Speaker 2: down the horse a little. He had that effect on
Speaker 2: the place because early on, you know, people are jumping
Speaker 2: off size. There's Chase Brown wrapped that easy ball and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, here we go. And then
Speaker 2: he just had this like I got this, it's calm, calm,
Speaker 2: this hole is this own the zen thing he had
Speaker 2: going down, and the team like bought in and he
Speaker 2: just calmly, let drives up and down the field all night.
Speaker 2: It was to me that was at presence. He's just like,
Speaker 2: it's okay, I've seen worse. We got this. He settled
Speaker 2: everybody down.
Speaker 6: I think.
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is Joe cool, Joe Flacco is Joe calm.
Speaker 3: That's the effect that he's had on the team. He
Speaker 3: is unflackable. And if you prefer that as you're a
Speaker 3: lion about you know, just the presence that he's provided.
Speaker 3: But I think that's absolutely true, and they needed it.
Speaker 3: Jake Browning's confidence was shot. The coaches and players had
Speaker 3: lost confidence in him, partly because of his play, or
Speaker 3: largely because of his play, but also just because you
Speaker 3: could hear it in his voice. He had completely lost confidence.
Speaker 3: So Joe Flacco has come in and instantly changed that vibe.
Speaker 2: And of course he's offset and for the second week
Speaker 2: in Row an older quarterback, certainly not to the age
Speaker 2: of the previous week, or is it, but by tyro
Speaker 2: Tap has been on a week for a long time
Speaker 2: as well. When we heard that the Jets are going
Speaker 2: with him instead, how does that change things relative to
Speaker 2: the game plan for Sunday.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really change much because the Jets offense doesn't
Speaker 3: change much. But I do think it makes the Jets
Speaker 3: more of a threat, only because that's how lousy Justin
Speaker 3: Fields had been playing. You know, the Jets are struggling
Speaker 3: in every way offensively, the one that matters is points
Speaker 3: and they haven't scored a touchdown in two weeks. So Field,
Speaker 3: you look at his NFL career, he's been good as
Speaker 3: a running quarterback, but he's never really been good as
Speaker 3: a passing quarterback. I think if you look it's the
Speaker 3: last five years. If you look at the three teams
Speaker 3: in the last five years that had averaged the fewest
Speaker 3: passing yards to this point of the year, I know
Speaker 3: it's kind of a wordy stat but in any case,
Speaker 3: those three teams were all quarterback by Justin Field. So
Speaker 3: if this year's Jets and two of the teams where
Speaker 3: he was the starting quarterback with the Bears, those three
Speaker 3: teams had the lowest passing yards per game at this
Speaker 3: point of the season in the last five years. So
Speaker 3: that tells you that Justin Fields is just not a
Speaker 3: good passing quarterback period.
Speaker 2: As bad as this team is, and we just discussed
Speaker 2: all the Jets injuries as well. The Bengals are not
Speaker 2: nearly as bang up. Obviously two be one being down.
Speaker 2: But Trey Hendrickson on that hip has been limited all
Speaker 2: week is does it just make more sense to rest
Speaker 2: him and then give Shamar Stewart more reps? Now? Granted,
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart is not where he needs to be at
Speaker 2: this point in his young career, but it feels like
Speaker 2: a gamer, you should do that.
Speaker 3: It all depends on how serious the injury is. You know,
Speaker 3: Trey reportedly wanted to play last week, so he continues
Speaker 3: to be limited practice. They're going to evaluate that based
Speaker 3: on just how serious this hip injury is. But if
Speaker 3: they determine that he's had no risk to make it
Speaker 3: worse and feels like he can play, you can't afford
Speaker 3: to lose at this point to a team that's winless
Speaker 3: at home. So if Trade thinks he can play and
Speaker 3: the medical staff says, you know what, it's ready at
Speaker 3: this point, I'd play him.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk at all about Chase Brown, who lit
Speaker 2: up the Steelers last game. All of a sudden, it
Speaker 2: was like a light switch got flipped to expect more
Speaker 2: of that this week.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know if the Bengals are going to
Speaker 3: rush for more than one hundred and forty yards again,
Speaker 3: but I do think that they're going to have a
Speaker 3: lot more than they had prior to last week's game.
Speaker 3: I don't think they had top sixty if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: in the previous games, So let's get that number into
Speaker 3: triple digits at least. I think they found something that
Speaker 3: the offensive line in the Pittsburgh game, and hopefully it
Speaker 3: continues because they need to have some sort of a
Speaker 3: running threat. That's one of the reasons why Flacco is
Speaker 3: so effective. Against the Steelers, they finally had a running threat.
Speaker 3: Chase Brown average nearly ten yards to carry. He's not
Speaker 3: going to do that again, but you know, for much
Speaker 3: of this year it was under three. So I thought
Speaker 3: the running game actually showed some signs of life against
Speaker 3: the Packers. I think they averaged more than four yards
Speaker 3: to carry in that game, and then they got to
Speaker 3: a point where they had to throw it in the
Speaker 3: second half. But it's showing signs of life. It was
Speaker 3: really good last week, and hopefully it'll at least be
Speaker 3: solid on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would think so. In better blocking helps. They
Speaker 2: blocked a lot better against Pittsburgh than they have in
Speaker 2: a couple of games. Also, it's this time of year,
Speaker 2: the trade deadline coming up. The Logan Wilson thing is
Speaker 2: I don't guess. I think it's just noise. I mean,
Speaker 2: it seems like every team or most teams have something
Speaker 2: like that going on. Logan Wilson gets bench, he requests
Speaker 2: the trade in pretty clearly. You know, Bear Carter, Demetrius
Speaker 2: Knight being rookies and all that. But that's the future.
Speaker 2: And of course he was bench before the Green Bay game,
Speaker 2: so we'll see. I'm sure there's some teams where he
Speaker 2: makes a fit. There's a fit, But I know that
Speaker 2: was a big storyline this week, and I just thought
Speaker 2: I just point that out, and there's no observation he
Speaker 2: needed there. Dan, It's that time of year, we're going
Speaker 2: to the trade though.
Speaker 3: The one thing I'd say about Logan Wilson is that
Speaker 3: I don't expect him to be a problem, even though
Speaker 3: he has requested a trade. You know, I can't blame him.
Speaker 3: He wants to start, He's lost his starting job. He's
Speaker 3: only twenty nine years old, but he's not the type
Speaker 3: of guy that is going to tank or be a headache.
Speaker 3: You know, we remember Carlos dunlap Burn bridges on his
Speaker 3: way out the door. That's not going to happen with
Speaker 3: Logan Wilson. Maybe they make a deal if the right
Speaker 3: offer is out there, but I don't know. It kind
Speaker 3: of feels to me like it's more likely that, you know,
Speaker 3: he's part of this team for the rest of this year,
Speaker 3: and then maybe at the end of the year, with
Speaker 3: one year left on a deal, they see if they
Speaker 3: can make a trade, then all right.
Speaker 2: He is a busy man this weekend and his partner's
Speaker 2: getting inducted in the respective well the Ring of Honor
Speaker 2: for Dave Lapham and the UC Hall of Fame for
Speaker 2: our own Tony Pike. And he is the constant between both.
Speaker 2: He is the conduit between excellence. That would be Dan Cord.
Speaker 2: It all goes through your fingers, Dan, all through all
Speaker 2: goes through your vocal cords. Congratulations.
Speaker 3: Don't congratulate me, but congratulate them because it's well deserved.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to being them for Tony's event tonight onlo
Speaker 3: with the five other former Bearcats that will go into
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati Sports Hall of Fame and then obviously Lap
Speaker 3: and Lamar Parrish on Sunday. That's going to be awesome.
Speaker 2: All right, Well you enjoy it. I know you will.
Speaker 2: Danny all the best, Thanks.
Speaker 3: Buddy, Thanks Tony, thanks for having me on you, sir.
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Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 7: A man who has entertainment reporting of coursing through his veins,
Speaker 7: which makes them a medical offity.
Speaker 1: He is ABC Will Gangs from New York.
Speaker 2: He has a few things. What's going on movie and
Speaker 2: music wise? Anyway? And Will Ganson's back from his ABC
Speaker 2: Good Morning America three world tour. Well, how you doing, buddy.
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted.
Speaker 7: The life of a celebrity has really caught up to me,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 2: Pretty impressive though. He's talking to me and now he's
Speaker 2: doing Good Morning America and stuff, and now he's back
Speaker 2: and trying to balance both. I get it because you know,
Speaker 2: in this day in media umpires, we have to wear
Speaker 2: a lot of hats and keep a lot of balls
Speaker 2: in the air juggling. Why so I appreciate you. Let's
Speaker 2: jump in with this one because I saw the trailer.
Speaker 2: I like Bruce Springsteen a lot. I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: a fangirl, but I love Bruce Springsteen and Jeremy Allen
Speaker 2: White of Bear Fame is starring as him in the
Speaker 2: new movie called Deliverabently from Nowhere. I saw the trailer
Speaker 2: and when I learned he's singing, because sort of thing
Speaker 2: you want to find out is does he do the
Speaker 2: singing in here too? Now all these sings, he also
Speaker 2: plays guitar too, doesn't he?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he you know, as he pointed out, we
Speaker 7: know him from the Bear so we know he does
Speaker 7: that sort of torque artists thing very very well, and
Speaker 7: he is bringing that in, you.
Speaker 1: Know, full forth to this movie.
Speaker 7: Yes, so he is singing, He is playing instruments and stuff.
Speaker 1: They do mix in a little bit.
Speaker 7: Of Bruce's original vocals, which I think, you know, for
Speaker 7: fans of Bruce Springsteen that will you know, that goes
Speaker 7: a long way also. But the thing with this movie
Speaker 7: is like I was sort of anticipating, you know, a big,
Speaker 7: like bold, like feels like.
Speaker 8: You're front row and a concert sort.
Speaker 1: Of movie, and it's a lot more.
Speaker 7: Introspective, and you know, it's Bruce working on the Nebraska album,
Speaker 7: so it's after his first tour and he's sort of
Speaker 7: on the brink of becoming the superstar that we know
Speaker 7: he'll become, but he's dealing with a lot.
Speaker 8: Of his own like ener demons and stuff as well.
Speaker 7: So you know, there is great stuff for fans of
Speaker 7: Bruce Springsteen, little easter eggs and stuff where you're like, oh,
Speaker 7: this is where he got the inspiration for that song
Speaker 7: that he'll write, you know, twenty years later or whatever.
Speaker 7: So it's in movie theaters this weekend. It's and it's
Speaker 7: getting a lot of Oscar buzz already for Jeremy Allen
Speaker 7: White for playing Bruce Springsteen, so you know, if you're
Speaker 7: looking to see something in theaters this week, and I
Speaker 7: think it's a pretty solid choice.
Speaker 1: I had a good time watching.
Speaker 2: The sound is amazing. I mean, he his vocals are
Speaker 2: really really strong. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 7: I know, and I guess you know, he was sort
Speaker 7: of worked with and hand selected by Bruce Springsteen to
Speaker 7: some extent, So you know, I think when when you're
Speaker 7: sort of taken in the fold in that way, you
Speaker 7: better sound pretty great, right, and I think he nailed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. And you know, just kind
Speaker 2: of known about Nebraska. The album itself, he like really
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to be think it was a demo. Basically
Speaker 2: he's recording and just recording stuff on a on a
Speaker 2: simple recorder, wasn't even a studio, and he said, now
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're going to release elect That a huge
Speaker 2: gamble for the record company. And if you if you
Speaker 2: know it was coming with the next album, of course
Speaker 2: in eighty four would be born in the USA, and
Speaker 2: a number of the songs that he wrote that would
Speaker 2: have been he left off and then turned out, you know,
Speaker 2: like Glory Days, for example, is on the ultimately one
Speaker 2: of the biggest albums of the eighties, if if not
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's born in the USA, So
Speaker 2: you see the seeds of that that thinking, and it's
Speaker 2: all coming out in Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Really neat exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So it's it's a really you know, it's a good,
Speaker 7: great movie for fans of Bruce and a and a
Speaker 7: really great movie for people who.
Speaker 1: Don't maybe know that that much about him.
Speaker 2: How much in the is the East Street Band featured
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 7: It's I would say, it's more about Bruce and his
Speaker 7: like early relationships with like women and his mom and stuff,
Speaker 7: and his manager is in it as well. But the band,
Speaker 7: you know, not not so much. It's really more of
Speaker 7: like a yeah, more I would say, like personal and
Speaker 7: interpersonal like relationship.
Speaker 2: If you expect to be like the Queen or the
Speaker 2: Elton John one, that's not the case.
Speaker 7: That's exactly correct. That's exactly correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha. So I don't prepare to be disappointed. Is
Speaker 2: that what you're saying.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's just it's a different type of movie.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it's yeah, well it's a.
Speaker 2: Worth of twenty bucks or whatever it's going to cost
Speaker 2: me to go see.
Speaker 1: This thing, I would say, yes, definitely.
Speaker 2: Is it an IMAX too?
Speaker 8: I actually I don't have the answer for you there.
Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah, good question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just have to see. I mean, you want
Speaker 2: to see it. It's like if you like the music,
Speaker 2: you want to see in the big screen because it's
Speaker 2: it's show so immersive. Well, gance in New York this morning,
Speaker 2: So deliver me from nowhere is a go I know that.
Speaker 2: Adam Brody of course that Oscar. But Kristen Bell, nobody
Speaker 2: wants this. That's on Netflix right now. What's that about?
Speaker 8: Yeah, so this is season two.
Speaker 7: So season one came out back in November December, and
Speaker 7: we're already at season two.
Speaker 8: But this show sort.
Speaker 7: Of blew up in a way that nobody thought it would.
Speaker 7: It was nominated for a ton of Emmys this year,
Speaker 7: Kristen Bell and Adam Brody and the show itself was
Speaker 7: nominated for Best Comedy. So this is the one that's
Speaker 7: based on a true story. She played a podcaster who's
Speaker 7: not really religious at all and ends up meeting a
Speaker 7: rabbi at a party and they end up falling for
Speaker 7: each other. So season one ended basically with them saying,
Speaker 7: you know what, let's try and make this happen. You know,
Speaker 7: despite not really fitting into each other's you know, personal lives, families,
Speaker 7: you know, work relationships are all sort of thrown into
Speaker 7: the air because of this relationship. And season two picks
Speaker 7: up with them trying to make it work, and each
Speaker 7: episode is only about half an hour.
Speaker 8: It's really sweet, really funny.
Speaker 7: The soundtrack is actually like a ton of fun as well.
Speaker 7: So this, you know, for anyone who wants to stay
Speaker 7: in and only has a little bit of time and
Speaker 7: can catch an episode here or there. It's a lot
Speaker 7: of fun this show. Nobody wants to Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Because when I fell in was in love with my rabbi,
Speaker 2: it was a lot more dramatic and it didn't work
Speaker 2: out right, right.
Speaker 7: Everyone can relate to falling in love with their rabbi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the tale as old as time.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a gentle I'm not even close to Jewish,
Speaker 2: but you know, I understand what else you got.
Speaker 7: So they announced yesterday that the last episode of Stranger
Speaker 7: Things of the entire series, is going to theaters the
Speaker 7: same day that the episode starts streaming on Netflix. So
Speaker 7: for anyone who maybe forgot what happened, you know, season
Speaker 7: four of Stranger Things came out over to like.
Speaker 1: About two years ago.
Speaker 7: So I am recommending rewatching. I have been rewatching from
Speaker 7: season one all of Stranger Things, because the final season
Speaker 7: will drop about a month from now. And you know,
Speaker 7: some estimates say that there they spent sixty million dollars
Speaker 7: per episode of this last season making the show, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: come to life, and so it's gonna be huge.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be epic.
Speaker 7: And it's gonna be a movie theaters, So you know,
Speaker 7: it's I have I've had such a fun time rewatching
Speaker 7: the show and reminding myself you know, why I loved it,
Speaker 7: why it's really been boundary breaking, and why Netflix has
Speaker 7: invested so much into it. So yeah, if if you
Speaker 7: have some time to kill, uh, you know, the final
Speaker 7: season will drop right before Thanksgiving, the first part of
Speaker 7: that season, so you know, have about a month if
Speaker 7: you want to rewatch the first four seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's I think the reason
Speaker 2: why and we can talk about why it's so iconic.
Speaker 2: I think just because it really captured the whole eighties
Speaker 2: aesthetic really well. It wasn't like campy or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It was it's really well.
Speaker 7: Done exactly, and even the way they fold in some
Speaker 7: sort of eighties familiar faces. Of course, Winona Ryder plays
Speaker 7: the mom, and then they have guest appearances from you know, Sean.
Speaker 1: Aston who was in the Goonies and you.
Speaker 8: Know, things like that, and then in the last season.
Speaker 7: The there will be some guest appearances as well from
Speaker 7: other eighties icons.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think it's it is it.
Speaker 7: Really does a good job with that eighties you know
Speaker 7: aesthetic and vibe and even the music you know, pays
Speaker 7: homage to that time as well.
Speaker 2: Plus it's so weird, right, you got horror and sci
Speaker 2: fi and mystery and it's a coming of age drama.
Speaker 2: You get like it's it's hitting all and normally it's
Speaker 2: way too that'd be way too confusing, but they make
Speaker 2: it work.
Speaker 7: Exactly, and parts are very funny too, and and you know, heartwarming.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it is like it blends those.
Speaker 7: Genres really really well, and it's well acted also.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you think about it too, I mean,
Speaker 2: this was the first season. I want to say, was
Speaker 2: it twenty fourteen, twenty somewhere in there, but it really
Speaker 2: felt like this is the one. Like the Sopranos made Hbo.
Speaker 2: This felt like this is what made Netflix.
Speaker 1: To me, I think you're right on the money with that, exactly.
Speaker 7: This was when I was like, oh, okay, like I
Speaker 7: should be paying a subscription to watch this show.
Speaker 2: Yep, right exactly. He is will Gans, ABC News multi
Speaker 2: platform guy in New York. He does it all. Go
Speaker 2: see him on GMA three at will Gans with two
Speaker 2: Wes's and deliver from Nowhere looks like the hit that
Speaker 2: people are pretty I think it's gonna do pretty well
Speaker 2: the box office. And then you got options on the
Speaker 2: small screen as well. Appreciate it. Well, we'll talk next week.
Speaker 1: Man, all right, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2: You as well. You as well, you as well. So
Speaker 2: there you go. Stranger things got that. Nobody wants this,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of like the Jets. Nobody wants us.
Speaker 2: We got that on Sunday and you see football tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So hey man, he got sports, he got stuff to do.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go to the theater. It's some
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe not this weekend. At some point
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go see Delivered Me from Nowhere. I haven't
Speaker 2: been in the theater in a long time. Like that
Speaker 2: seems to me like the one to go see because
Speaker 2: it's gonna sound great. And who isn't a Jeremy Allen
Speaker 2: White fan. I mean, if you saw Shameless, that was
Speaker 2: what he made him. Let's put it that way. He's like, woh,
Speaker 2: this guy's a great actor. And then he does the Bear,
Speaker 2: which is as good in a different way. I thought
Speaker 2: the last season wasn't as good as the previous ones.
Speaker 2: But it was still pretty good. And now he's Springsteen,
Speaker 2: So those are the things you're like, I kind of
Speaker 2: got to go see him because he is a hell
Speaker 2: of an actor. And if he's doing the singing and
Speaker 2: the guitar, and if you've seen some of the clips
Speaker 2: on social the vocals are it's incredible. It's like you
Speaker 2: think you're watching Bruce Springsteen and a lot of the
Speaker 2: facial features and gestures, he really has him down, did
Speaker 2: a really really job with it. The storyline, I'm just curious,
Speaker 2: is it two inside Baseball? Like Nebraska is not the
Speaker 2: biggest reason why they're doing I guess it's story behind it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, if you're a fan of music, he got that,
Speaker 2: we got football this weekend, we got movies, got it
Speaker 2: all going on. Let's get a time out in It's
Speaker 2: the Scott Sloane Show. In about four minutes here on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW will get into the NBA scandal and
Speaker 2: some observations about that, and particularly the day after the
Speaker 2: NBA season starts right by this is when the FBI
Speaker 2: decides that they're going to overshadow all of that with
Speaker 2: this scandal. I think it's an interesting timing and why
Speaker 2: we'll get into and just minutes here slowly back and
Speaker 2: forth on seven hundred WLW, seven minutes away from news
Speaker 2: on this Friday morning, seven hundred WLW is so far
Speaker 2: nice and quiet, like we like it, like we like it.
Speaker 2: Steve Gooden, who is a consul CANDI, former councole person
Speaker 2: and attorney, a little analysis on what the city just
Speaker 2: did relative to Terry Fiji, because it really leaves a
Speaker 2: lot of folks myself included scratching our heads going. I
Speaker 2: just I've never seen anything like this before where you
Speaker 2: fire someone and then decide to find the reasons why
Speaker 2: you fired her in the first place. That just ahead
Speaker 2: Bengals trying to get into even five hundred Bearcats going
Speaker 2: for seven straight. We've got lots of football this weekend.
Speaker 2: Also also also we have the scandal that just broke yesterday.
Speaker 2: So why does the FBI do this massive press conference
Speaker 2: slash purp walk yesterday afternoon, the day after the well,
Speaker 2: the as I say, at the start of the NBAC,
Speaker 2: they had twelve games on Wednesday, and of course you
Speaker 2: had the you know, a night kickoff, couple games, a
Speaker 2: couple of games and then big with a big slide
Speaker 2: full slighting. Why would they do that like opening week
Speaker 2: because it totally took away from opening tonight at the
Speaker 2: NBA basically is what it was Opening day. I guess
Speaker 2: I should say with a full slight of night games.
Speaker 2: Everyone's so excited about that, and I think it. You know,
Speaker 2: looking at you can kind of tell why. So Travis Coach,
Speaker 2: the Hall of Famer, Chauncey Billups and Miami gar Terry
Speaker 2: Rose here thirty people among thirty people, thirty four then
Speaker 2: total arrested yesterday, And this investigation has been going on
Speaker 2: for a long time in the FBI. It's Wirefrog conspiracies,
Speaker 2: money laundering. So Rosier arrested and accused of leaking confidential
Speaker 2: information about his health to people associates who used that
Speaker 2: to bet that he would underperform. So he's in a game,
Speaker 2: he said, hey, here's again, and you know he winds
Speaker 2: up leaving early, faking an injury, and they bet the
Speaker 2: underund how many points each court basically, and Chauncey Phillips,
Speaker 2: it's a whole different thing. That's Tony Soprano and the
Speaker 2: Italian mob of coosonostro, which surprises of Italian they still
Speaker 2: are still that strong, but al though, they have private
Speaker 2: table games backed by the New York Mob, and there's
Speaker 2: X ray poker tables, so I can see what the
Speaker 2: cards are, and it's that that's a whole different thing
Speaker 2: right there. And of course John D. Porter, a former
Speaker 2: NBA bench player, also accused of disclosing confidential information about
Speaker 2: his health to a better So those are three of
Speaker 2: the big ones. But I look at this and go, okay,
Speaker 2: why would you do this on that It's because the
Speaker 2: NBA already cleared Rose here essentially did their own internal investigation.
Speaker 2: I guess and said, okay, yeah, nothing to see here,
Speaker 2: and the FBI said, well, hold on just a second.
Speaker 2: So they start looking at it, and then I think,
Speaker 2: what's happening, especially under Trump, right doesn't like to be
Speaker 2: if you're the FBI, like wow, the NBA said, there's
Speaker 2: nothing to see here, and clearly there's a lot to
Speaker 2: see here. So we're going to we're going to rain
Speaker 2: on their parade. We're going to destroy opening week because
Speaker 2: this is now the big story. Like nobody's paying, you know,
Speaker 2: paying somewhat attention, but nobody cared. I cared about the
Speaker 2: NBA going Wow, what the hell's going to the NBA,
Speaker 2: I mean, a huge black guy for the league could
Speaker 2: have done this weeks ago, probably before the season, preseason whatever,
Speaker 2: but they decided to drop it this week. I think
Speaker 2: that's in in the message. I really really do that
Speaker 2: this is a lot bigger deal than the NBA. It's
Speaker 2: you know, hard to say that the NBA covers something
Speaker 2: up or look the other way. And I mean pretty clearly.
Speaker 2: If you say there's nothing to see here, everything's good,
Speaker 2: and the FBI says no, there isn't and you've got,
Speaker 2: you know, the mob involved for crying out loud and
Speaker 2: it's all tied together, that is clearly a shot across
Speaker 2: the bow of the National Basketball Association. I think the
Speaker 2: other thing too, is looking at this because now it's
Speaker 2: on trial, is the integrity of professional sports and the
Speaker 2: legal betting era. Right, it's like, oh, this is what happened.
Speaker 2: This is what happened. You have all these sports book
Speaker 2: and gaming sports book. See you could see this coming. Look,
Speaker 2: it's not like cheating and point shaving. All this stuff
Speaker 2: is new.
Speaker 6: It just used to.
Speaker 2: We'd still be doing this. It's not all like sports
Speaker 2: gambling would go away. You know, when you're back in college,
Speaker 2: back in the day, buddy, that what you had someone
Speaker 2: who's a bookie, you knew someone who knew somebody, Okay,
Speaker 2: and you know, if there's enough money, if it's not,
Speaker 2: Like we haven't had a long history of people trying
Speaker 2: to fix games and matches since sports began in the
Speaker 2: United States, which in the early days, right, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure like when they're playing that weird game where they're
Speaker 2: got a leather ox and ball and they're throwing it
Speaker 2: through the hoop on horseback with Indians, like, I'm sure
Speaker 2: somebody was betting on that, and then somebody was like
Speaker 2: fixing game, you know, boxing and all that stuff back
Speaker 2: in the day. So yeah, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: it's it's certainly more complextions a lot more money in it,
Speaker 2: because you're talking about one hundred and fifty billion dollars
Speaker 2: in legal bets just last year alone, huge amount of money,
Speaker 2: and somebody's going to skim some of that. I totally
Speaker 2: get it. But let's look at how they got caught
Speaker 2: for a second, So you had a better professional better
Speaker 2: I think, placed thirty wagers in less than an hour
Speaker 2: and all involving Terry Rozier. Do you remember a few
Speaker 2: years ago, and the UCEE baseball team I think You
Speaker 2: See Baseball is called No one from You See Baseball
Speaker 2: I think was charged or got in trouble for it.
Speaker 2: But there's a guy who was a great American ballpark
Speaker 2: at the sportsbook there and it was putting, as I recall,
Speaker 2: you may remember this better than I do, but I
Speaker 2: think it was spending like one hundred thousand dollars on
Speaker 2: an Alabama baseball game. And I was like Alabama, Clemson
Speaker 2: or wherever it was, and he had inside information that
Speaker 2: the pitcher would be benched. So he's betting one hundred
Speaker 2: grand on that on college baseball. So in this case,
Speaker 2: you've got a guy betting a lot of money on
Speaker 2: Terry Rozier and that's just going to set the algorithms
Speaker 2: go nuts. And it's not like they don't have people
Speaker 2: at all the sports books that are monitoring that behind
Speaker 2: the scenes and so obviously all electronics, but they're they're
Speaker 2: social media. Who's betting on what the prop bets? And
Speaker 2: do you look at this, you go, WHOA that jumps
Speaker 2: off the I mean, it's terror's here, right, So it
Speaker 2: jumps off the page. And that's where they start the investigation,
Speaker 2: like the NBA couldn't figure that we working with the
Speaker 2: sports books. That's what tells me this is why they
Speaker 2: did it when they did it. That could be wrong
Speaker 2: about that, but this is gonna be a black guy
Speaker 2: for the NBA for a long time. So as far
Speaker 2: as the integrity of professional sports go, I think you're
Speaker 2: this is going to be commonplace. I think maybe not
Speaker 2: happening all the time, but it's going to take an
Speaker 2: idiot like that, you know, like the the that Alabama
Speaker 2: guy with uc and at Great American Ballpark or this case,
Speaker 2: and every three years you're gonna have a knuckle aeat
Speaker 2: doing this or somebody trying to do this. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get cads can be a big story because they're
Speaker 2: so good at catching this stuff. Because again, this is
Speaker 2: not good, not good for the sports books. It makes
Speaker 2: them look really really bad. So there's a more incentive
Speaker 2: them to to make sure they're moditoring this at all times.
Speaker 2: I think it goes away. I think it's just something
Speaker 2: we're gonna live with. I don't think it's the end
Speaker 2: of sports or anything like that, like some people are
Speaker 2: making it out to be. Oh, this is what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they downfall, non buying it. I really am not. We'll
Speaker 2: get a news update Steve Gooden. Next. You fire the
Speaker 2: chief and then you look for the reasons to fire hers.
Speaker 2: It's making sense to you, that makes sense to him either,
Speaker 2: and he's an attorney's ready to go. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: him next after news on the Home of the Best
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Speaker 2: covered on all those platforms. A mind up boggling example
Speaker 2: of ready fire aim chief Teresa Thiji placed on administrative leave,
Speaker 2: paid administrator to leave at that and an interim chief.
Speaker 2: And Adam Henny named this before the investigation into the
Speaker 2: effectiveness of our leadership as a city calls it that
Speaker 2: any of this happens. It's the city is looking for
Speaker 2: a reason to fire the chief. After they fire the chief,
Speaker 2: it just goes from bad to worse. Too ridiculous at
Speaker 2: this point with the City of Cincinnati, and it's a
Speaker 2: leader apt to ad Pierre Valscher along the city manager
Speaker 2: in just more confusion and chaos when we don't need it.
Speaker 2: Steve Goodness, here is a council candidate from a council member,
Speaker 2: attorney and charter right, and with his analysis here this morning, Steve,
Speaker 2: how are you, Steve? You there, Steve Gooden? Well wait wait,
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, say them by let's go there
Speaker 2: we go. We got you asked you? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: first day on the new job, first day on the
Speaker 2: new job. For me, there's an irony here because it's
Speaker 2: the executive branch's law enforcement. The irony is, of course,
Speaker 2: there's no due process for the chief of police. This
Speaker 2: is conviction before being charged. And on that they even'
Speaker 2: even hired a law firm. Yet, how does this make
Speaker 2: any sense legally?
Speaker 5: Well it doesn't. I mean, look, you know, I've had employees,
Speaker 5: you know, for most of my career. And look, I
Speaker 5: rule number one is if you've got the goods on somebody,
Speaker 5: you just go ahead and fire them, you know. And
Speaker 5: so the idea that here they said, well we want
Speaker 5: you to resign. The charter clearly says that once the
Speaker 5: chief has served more than six months, she can only
Speaker 5: be fired for cause. So presumably if they had any
Speaker 5: kind of cause or bad behavior on her part that
Speaker 5: had been documented, they were just going ahead and fired her,
Speaker 5: and we wouldn't have this. So now they're trying to
Speaker 5: create a ground, obviously, create grounds to fire her after
Speaker 5: the fact, after they've already sort of gone to her
Speaker 5: and asked her to resign. It is a morale killer.
Speaker 5: It's more politics that the rank and file see this.
Speaker 5: I talked to some officers yesterday who are just disgusted
Speaker 5: by how this is playing out. I mean, they're already
Speaker 5: short staff, morale was already bad. And I got to
Speaker 5: hand it to mayor and the council. They have done
Speaker 5: the impossible. They have taken a horrible situation and made
Speaker 5: it yet worse. I always thinking like, there's really no
Speaker 5: way it gets any worse. We have rampant gun violence,
Speaker 5: business is downtown, are scared in town. We literally have
Speaker 5: slats standing on Fountain Square. My offices right there was
Speaker 5: there yesterday. We don't really have a police chef. How
Speaker 5: could we make it worse? And also, you know, I've
Speaker 5: never seen a situation we're bringing a bunch of lawyers
Speaker 5: in billing by the hour, makes anything better not say that.
Speaker 5: As a lawyer who bills by the hour. It never
Speaker 5: makes things better.
Speaker 2: Here's a great example. It's terrible seem NBA scandal, the
Speaker 2: betting of the gambling scandal. Chauncey Billups. Okay, how it
Speaker 2: works all always is always I is. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: there's a bombshell, Hey, we're having a press count. Here's
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. It's like, we caught all these players
Speaker 2: in the gambling scheme and at the mobs involved, and
Speaker 2: you have a press conference, you lay the charges out.
Speaker 2: On the other side says, oh, we deny, we deny,
Speaker 2: we deny. Uh. That's how you don't go, Hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, uh, Chauncey, we're going to we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna do this, uh, and then go and find that
Speaker 2: we're not sure we believe they did this, and now
Speaker 2: we're gonna go and investigate it. It's it's completely backwards.
Speaker 2: You don't do that. You have the charges that they
Speaker 2: make the presentation. You don't present and say we're gonna
Speaker 2: let we're Chauncey Billups, We're we're gonna suspend you. We're
Speaker 2: gonna come after, we're gonna charge you, but we're not
Speaker 2: going to tell you what it is. We've got to
Speaker 2: hire a team to do that. But we know you're
Speaker 2: guilty of something. It just it doesn't even pass the
Speaker 2: stiff test for most people. It's insane, right right.
Speaker 5: It's a fundamental, you know, violation, but just even the
Speaker 5: most basic due process on her part. She can't answer
Speaker 5: the charges because she doesn't know what they are. Now,
Speaker 5: we know from the mayor's comments that they're hanging all
Speaker 5: this on her quote and effectiveness. But what she's already
Speaker 5: telegraph very strongly is I think she acknowledges she was uneffective, okay,
Speaker 5: because of the policy she was given an instructed to do.
Speaker 5: I mean, we know that city Hall and the mayor
Speaker 5: helped elect a set of judges over in the courthouse
Speaker 5: that really didn't believe in cash bail, so they were
Speaker 5: putting gun offenders back on the streets rapidly, and that
Speaker 5: that contributed to the frustration in the police department, And
Speaker 5: that she has clearly said that she went to the
Speaker 5: mayor to try to correct the situation and he refused.
Speaker 5: We also know that this whole bizarre compliance versus enforcement
Speaker 5: thing on lower level offenses came right from the city
Speaker 5: manager and the mayor. Now I fault the chief candidly
Speaker 5: for not pushing back more on that. So they stopped writing,
Speaker 5: you know, wead tickets, stopped pursuing graffiti issues, stopped dealing
Speaker 5: with the homeless situation downtown, and over time, the failure
Speaker 5: year to prosecute or deal with these low level offenses
Speaker 5: created a sense of lawlessness that brought the real bad
Speaker 5: actors with guns downtown. So we've seen that. But calling
Speaker 5: her ineffective for because your policies were ineffective, I mean,
Speaker 5: that's ridiculous and this just isn't the way you do things. So, ok,
Speaker 5: I used to run a big law firm and there
Speaker 5: were a couple of different instances where we had young
Speaker 5: lawyers who had who had done bad things, and we
Speaker 5: did an investigation and then we went to them then
Speaker 5: laid it out and so either resign or get fired,
Speaker 5: and here are your options, and here's what we found.
Speaker 5: Unless you have some answer, that's how it works. This
Speaker 5: is they're trying to make up a reason to fire.
Speaker 2: After that takes yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And now we
Speaker 2: have a pattern of behavior, Steve Gooden, and when it's
Speaker 2: abuse of due process. Let's go back to the July
Speaker 2: street brawl where you had an individual white guy right
Speaker 2: who has started this whole thing allegedly, and then the
Speaker 2: city comes out and says, well, well, you know what,
Speaker 2: actually a minute forty six prior, they were the victim
Speaker 2: of some very extreme racial attacks and a text and
Speaker 2: this was him bass So and you know, he had
Speaker 2: the ministers crying for Whitey to be charged all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and they do that and it's actually Adam Henny, now
Speaker 2: the interim chief oddly enough, so you see there's some
Speaker 2: quid pro quote at least. And I'm not demeaning Chief
Speaker 2: Henny here. I understand it's a great cops cops cop,
Speaker 2: but again, playing the game is that now you cast
Speaker 2: dispersions on the integrity of the office, because like, if
Speaker 2: you're willing to write a ticket for something you didn't
Speaker 2: witness yourself, and the officers didn't want to get jammed up,
Speaker 2: and he said, I'll take the bullet from my officer,
Speaker 2: so to speak, and write the citation that led to
Speaker 2: the charges. It's cut from the same cloth, like okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to wait a month to charge someone, and
Speaker 2: pretty clearly it's someone who shouldn't be charged, but we're
Speaker 2: doing it because of political correctness and political expediency, just
Speaker 2: like we're doing now. We have a trend now.
Speaker 5: Right Well yeah, I mean it's just what we've done
Speaker 5: here is just they're going to just undermines the sense
Speaker 5: of fairness and of law and order in the town.
Speaker 2: It really does.
Speaker 5: Look like the mayor and the city manager can say
Speaker 5: I want this guy charged, so they go back and
Speaker 5: charge him. Whether there's evidence or not, I don't know,
Speaker 5: but certainly you had a guy who an officer who
Speaker 5: signed the charge, who was not involved in the investigation,
Speaker 5: wasn't there and hadn't interviewed the guy even apparently. And
Speaker 5: now you also have the scenario where they're saying, on
Speaker 5: these low level offenses, we don't want people charge.
Speaker 2: And how do you have a city that way?
Speaker 5: We have a charter that says our police chief and
Speaker 5: city manager is supposed to be independent above politics. They're
Speaker 5: supposed to be out there policing and do it, you know, working,
Speaker 5: going where the crime is, looking at real metrics and
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what to do. And that's what
Speaker 5: the neighborhoods are you crying about, because.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, we don't.
Speaker 5: Even trust I don't trust the data coming out of
Speaker 5: the police department in City Hall anymore. I think it's
Speaker 5: clearly been manipulated to make the gun violence look less.
Speaker 5: You know, from shots Boer, we're on track for twenty
Speaker 5: three thousand shots fire, but that isn't reflected in the
Speaker 5: other data.
Speaker 2: It's clear from the top, right, I mean, the two
Speaker 2: examples that game what you sided here too. It's like
Speaker 2: the mayor is deciding what justice looks like. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but I wonder about those people who would support AFTAB
Speaker 2: Pericle and a Heartbeat, who are down marching at the
Speaker 2: No Kings rally. Isn't this what you're allegedly fighting against?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean.
Speaker 5: It could not be more perfect of an analogy between
Speaker 5: Donald Trump and AFTAB. I mean, it's exactly the same thing.
Speaker 5: It's just, you know, they're on different sides of the
Speaker 5: aisle politically, you know, but there is this sense on
Speaker 5: both sides that they are like busting through some of
Speaker 5: the norms you know that we have out. This is
Speaker 5: the critique people make of Donald Trump is exactly the
Speaker 5: same critique that could be made of AFTAB, which is
Speaker 5: somebody who really just doesn't plan with the rules, and
Speaker 5: I would go a step further. I mean, the thing
Speaker 5: that makes me the sickest is we've had mayors in
Speaker 5: the past who have kind of lost their way, but
Speaker 5: we've always had some diversity of thought on city Council
Speaker 5: and some people with backbone that we're willing to push back.
Speaker 5: These guys have been with maybe one exception in the
Speaker 5: last twenty four hours, no one's done anything. The old days,
Speaker 5: you know, Chris Smeatherman or a Steve Gooden or even
Speaker 5: maybe AlSi somewhe you know, or can you call someone
Speaker 5: like that would have called for a hearing right a
Speaker 5: public here and say like what happened here? They bring
Speaker 5: the chief, and they bring the city manager in and
Speaker 5: say like, hey, look, you know, with the cameras on,
Speaker 5: tell us what the hell is going on here where?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 5: And they wouldn't have just accepted this nonsense day in
Speaker 5: and day out. So there's a lack of oversight from
Speaker 5: council that really really makes this even worse, because I mean,
Speaker 5: they have a role in this process. They can you know,
Speaker 5: they have the ability to shine a flashlight here and
Speaker 5: they are hiding under their desk.
Speaker 2: But I would point out that we're being told to
Speaker 2: add at nauseam from a to a peer of all
Speaker 2: on others. This is not political. She's not a political scapegoat.
Speaker 2: The election has nothing to do with the decision. The
Speaker 2: decisions we take public safeties are number one priorities. We're
Speaker 2: taking it seriously. This is not political all. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, she's not even fired. She's on paid
Speaker 2: administrative leave. And there's another part of the of the
Speaker 2: s absurdity Steve Gooden, is that, all right, Thigi's on
Speaker 2: paid administrator of not fired. She's had administrative leaders. She's
Speaker 2: stick in a paycheck while we investigate her over the
Speaker 2: next one. It's going to take months, apparently to solved this.
Speaker 2: Then why name a interim chief instead of an acting chief.
Speaker 2: If you're suspended, it's an acting chief, like if someone's hurt.
Speaker 2: You know, Joe Flacco is the acting starting quarterback, he
Speaker 2: is not the interim starting There's a difference in a nuance.
Speaker 2: There is interim chief not acting. They essentially have given
Speaker 2: it like, well we're done with the old chief. This
Speaker 2: is the innermundile. We find a new one. They've already
Speaker 2: stated that, and then they go back and go, well, no,
Speaker 2: she just doesn't leave.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what's so funny is he actually slipped
Speaker 5: up at one of his you know, he was sort
Speaker 5: of ambushed coming out of council chambers yesterday and I
Speaker 5: think it was Channel twelve or one of the other
Speaker 5: reporters asked him, you know some pretty tough questions. He said, well,
Speaker 5: whenever we move on and change leadership, it's a tough time.
Speaker 5: And I said, okay, so you're firing her. Oh no,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. You just said we're changing leadership, know,
Speaker 5: And it was like, you know, you're like you can't even.
Speaker 2: Keep your your Live Street interim in acting, so you
Speaker 2: don't even know what the adjective you need at this point.
Speaker 2: It's so comically bad in the and the sad part
Speaker 2: about this is all right, it's going to go on
Speaker 2: in for a month, okay, so put your political hat
Speaker 2: on here a second, good and from the legal one. Okay,
Speaker 2: after the election, what happens.
Speaker 5: Well, you know after the election, I mean, lou well, first, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: I see this dragging into the next year.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I mean I think number one, what the first
Speaker 5: time we got to watch for is what law firm
Speaker 5: they choose. So if they choose one of the go
Speaker 5: to law firms that have represented AFTAB and council in
Speaker 5: the past and they've gotten in trouble, we're going to
Speaker 5: know the fixes in. You know, I we're hoping to
Speaker 5: go with someone outside the area, if you have some
Speaker 5: integrity here, who might actually push back. But I wouldn't
Speaker 5: hold my breath for that. So Number one is we
Speaker 5: got to watch which law firm. If it's one of
Speaker 5: these like hyper connected democratic law firms, you know, then
Speaker 5: all bets are off as to what happens there. But
Speaker 5: I would expect us to drag on at least through
Speaker 5: the end of the year with us having a suspended
Speaker 5: chief and an interim chief and then some sort of
Speaker 5: a search. If there was any integrity here, they'd wait
Speaker 5: and see what the new council is going to look
Speaker 5: like so that they could have some input. But my
Speaker 5: guess is that there's going to be like a hurry
Speaker 5: up to try to resolve all this in December before
Speaker 5: anybody can come in and shine a light on it.
Speaker 2: How much longer is she under contract? How much as
Speaker 2: you do? How long does that last?
Speaker 5: My understanding is and I haven't read it, but my
Speaker 5: recollection is that they renew it every two years. And
Speaker 5: that is where this gets funny from a legal standpoint,
Speaker 5: is that if you recall, we have this thing called
Speaker 5: Issue five that was passed back from two thousand and five,
Speaker 5: which is deeply unpopular with the FOP and probably is
Speaker 5: ripe to be revisited. That kind of takes the chief
Speaker 5: out of some of for or most of the civil
Speaker 5: service protections. So the idea is that the Sydney Manager,
Speaker 5: with input from the mayor, actually could just fire the
Speaker 5: chief for cause. And that's in the charter, and it
Speaker 5: spells it out pretty clearly that once you're in the
Speaker 5: job six months, it's kind of a probationary period. Could
Speaker 5: be fired for any reason. After six months, they have
Speaker 5: to actually prove that you've screwed something up for cause.
Speaker 5: But they are, on top of that, have apparently been
Speaker 5: issuing these two year contracts that somehow, you know, deal
Speaker 5: with compensation and so forth, and apparently there's language in
Speaker 5: there that contradicts the Charter. So that's why she's lawyered up,
Speaker 5: and there's going to be some sort of a court
Speaker 5: battle about what her rights really are and even this
Speaker 5: is a mess. I don't know how the law department
Speaker 5: allowed this to happen where you have something in the
Speaker 5: contract that I guess the contract doesn't mention her being
Speaker 5: fired for cause, but yet the charter says she is.
Speaker 5: They're in conflict, and it's the classic sort of thing
Speaker 5: that you end up I hate to say it, having
Speaker 5: lawyers fight out in court in the fact that we're
Speaker 5: here and that we've been kind of doing business this
Speaker 5: way for years, you know, is just terrible. And again
Speaker 5: the taxpayers lose. I mean, this is going to cost
Speaker 5: every bit of a million dollars or about the salary
Speaker 5: and benefits of five to six police officers the time
Speaker 5: this is all said and.
Speaker 2: Don Yeah, he is a Steve Gooden counsel condidate, former
Speaker 2: councilman and a charter right Steve Gooden on the Ready
Speaker 2: Fire aim approach with Fiji. She is on paid administrative leave.
Speaker 2: They name an interim chief not acting interim, so there's
Speaker 2: confusion there. And now they're going to hire a law
Speaker 2: firm that could take months of them to investigate why
Speaker 2: they fired her in the first place. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: real life. That's really happening in the city right now
Speaker 2: with an election happening, by the way, in just a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and of course everyone is saying, I
Speaker 2: have to have on down. This is not political. Is
Speaker 2: it time for us to blow everything up? The way
Speaker 2: it works because we have a very inefficient If you
Speaker 2: live in Cincinnati, been here long til you kind of
Speaker 2: pay attention to it, but our government is so inefficient.
Speaker 2: And it starts the fact there's so much overlap between
Speaker 2: Hamlin County and the City of Cincinnati in fighting for
Speaker 2: their turf. Of course you see stadium issues and such,
Speaker 2: but even within the design itself. You know, you mentioned
Speaker 2: the contentious issue five, but also how council works, how
Speaker 2: the city manager integrates and all this stuff. Because there's
Speaker 2: cover for everyone involved. Her council can go, well, we
Speaker 2: have a strong mayor in the mayor goes, well, we've
Speaker 2: got a city manager, and the city manager says, well,
Speaker 2: we've got a mayor and a council. It's like no one,
Speaker 2: there's no one. The way we've got it wired. Right now,
Speaker 2: it strikes the average person like myself, Steve Gooden, that
Speaker 2: it's wired so there's no one accountable.
Speaker 5: Well, it's wired so that you end up with an
Speaker 5: absurd result, and you know, and it would work. The
Speaker 5: current system would work. It's not perfect, but would work
Speaker 5: better if council would just step up, if we didn't
Speaker 5: have like a you know, an all a nine member
Speaker 5: politically ambitious Democratic city council who would actually step up
Speaker 5: and provide some of the oversight that they are allowed
Speaker 5: to do. But I mean, to your larger point, I
Speaker 5: have always been somebody who has been pushing for at
Speaker 5: least some form of metro government so that we might
Speaker 5: actually find some of these efficiencies. I mean, even Yahoga County,
Speaker 5: even Cleveland has gone to a limited form of metro government,
Speaker 5: Indianapolis has, Louisville has. I mean, it's it's ridiculous that
Speaker 5: we have all these turf battles. It's ridiculous that our
Speaker 5: departments don't work well together. And I mean back when
Speaker 5: I was in the prosecutors obviously as a young assistant prosecutor,
Speaker 5: back in two thousand and one, post the Timothy Thomas
Speaker 5: shooting and the riots that happened, we absolutely had a
Speaker 5: level of cooperation between the city and the county then
Speaker 5: that will be unheard of now, you know, we had
Speaker 5: Operation Vortex. Now they were doing gun and drug sweeps
Speaker 5: with CPD and sheriff's patrols and Ohio State patrol and
Speaker 5: it was wonderful and it really made a difference. But
Speaker 5: now everyone is just in their silos and they don't
Speaker 5: cooperate at all, and it's really silly. And that's something
Speaker 5: that just desperately needs some fresh thought. And I can
Speaker 5: tell you this current crew or that's not where their
Speaker 5: head is. They're just all about protecting what they have
Speaker 5: rather than trying to look at what would actually serve
Speaker 5: the public best.
Speaker 2: This is the maybe this is a catalyst for Steve.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm trying to be optimistic here.
Speaker 5: Well, well, I'm trying to be optimistic too, and I
Speaker 5: think another part it is and I'm hoping this is
Speaker 5: the year and the timeframe where some folks in the
Speaker 5: business community who I know have been talking for some
Speaker 5: time about metro government and substance of reforms. I know
Speaker 5: there's a working group down at the Chamber. It's very
Speaker 5: quiet that they've been looking at and studying and pushing
Speaker 5: these issues. And there's just got to come a time
Speaker 5: where we're not not just you know, the citizens, but
Speaker 5: the business community and all these other groups that kind
Speaker 5: of feed in, they have to speak up on this
Speaker 5: stuff too, I mean, because they have a right or wrong,
Speaker 5: a louder voice, and it's been very easy for them
Speaker 5: to kind of go along cynically and say, well, look,
Speaker 5: you know, I have to have very you know, he's
Speaker 5: going to win, it's a blue city, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 5: and just to go along to get along, and some
Speaker 5: people are going to have to stand up. I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, we've been our little group has been pretty
Speaker 5: fearless about speaking out on these issues this year. We've
Speaker 5: we've paid a price for it in terms of some
Speaker 5: lost friendships and broken business relationships. But that's fine. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's what it takes. We need more people to speak
Speaker 5: up and say this isn't working, we're not happy, We're
Speaker 5: not going to go along to get along. We need
Speaker 5: real substance of change, just at every step of the way.
Speaker 5: And it's just going to take some political courage and
Speaker 5: some personal courage, rankly, because you know, in this world
Speaker 5: of lobbyists and nonprofits and the people that really have
Speaker 5: a lot of voices at city hall, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of personal relationships and you have to be willing to
Speaker 5: just step on those at times if you're going to
Speaker 5: do the right thing.
Speaker 2: Gotch all right, he's a consul kendidate, Steve Gooden. We'll
Speaker 2: see if this enacts any change. Probably not with the mayor,
Speaker 2: but I, you know, ask others about the trickle down here,
Speaker 2: and I think it's I would think it's going to
Speaker 2: be substantial that somebody's going to pay for all this
Speaker 2: ineptitude that's happening at the hand of Aftab and cheer
Speaker 2: along and forts. It's probably going to be some decent
Speaker 2: people on console for that matter. We'll see how it
Speaker 2: shakes out. Steve, all the best, and maybe you're part
Speaker 2: of that change hopefully and can bring some of these
Speaker 2: ideas to fruition. All the best, man, have a great weekend.
Speaker 2: Thanks you two, take care, take care. We got to
Speaker 2: get the news and we're in return we have fun
Speaker 2: because it's Friday. A little heavy for a Friday. I apologize.
Speaker 2: But the insanity what's happening in the city is it's unprecedented.
Speaker 2: It really really is. Austin Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty
Speaker 2: jumps in. Next. We'll talk football, football, and more football,
Speaker 2: plus the NBA scandal the latest on that next seven
Speaker 2: hundred w W Scott Fund show. The music means one thing,
Speaker 2: orange synthesizers in Austin, olmore. That's what I think about
Speaker 2: when I hear this seas Austin lo from ESPN fifteen thirty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: since he three sixty is the show Tony Pike not anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not since he three sixty anymore. Wait, because he
Speaker 2: was fired for a week. Now we it's Tony Pikes
Speaker 2: since he three sixty. Oh, Tony, that's the name of
Speaker 2: the show. How do you feel about being now relegated
Speaker 2: the fifth wheel and still the second.
Speaker 9: My exact words to management were, I'm pissed about this. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and they said life's not fair. That's what they told you. Yeah,
Speaker 9: Oh okay, good, Well guess what. They're not wrong. You're
Speaker 9: you're on You're right now, You're on this show on LW.
Speaker 9: And Tony's not about that.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, he's going to be inducted into
Speaker 2: the UC Hall of Fame later today.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 2: I am looking forward to that. It's going to before it.
Speaker 2: I'll have later out of the show to talk. It's
Speaker 2: a great weekend though, because like the Pike's doing that
Speaker 2: and you've got lap going in it's it's awesome.
Speaker 9: And the weather it looks like it's going to be
Speaker 9: pretty good. I love a four o'clock start at Nippert.
Speaker 9: That's going to be beautiful home come up against Baylor. Yeah,
Speaker 9: it's it's gonna be a fun weekend. I have a
Speaker 9: hankering to go to the Bengals game. I don't know why,
Speaker 9: but like, I really just want to go to it.
Speaker 9: You know, I know why. You just expect it to
Speaker 9: be a beatdown. No, I don't, No, I don't. I
Speaker 9: don't expect that. Well, let's jump into that. Let's start
Speaker 9: before we get into all that stuff. First of all,
Speaker 9: reaction to the NBA scandal yesterday. I'll give you my
Speaker 9: take whatever that might be on it. But I'm curious
Speaker 9: this thing holds it the and I've just talked about
Speaker 9: this to me, it's not that it broke, it's when.
Speaker 2: It broke, Yeah, right after the start of the season, correct,
Speaker 2: like the day after it overshadowed Opening Day basically.
Speaker 9: Well, and I think what we've learned so far already
Speaker 9: is that the NBA knew about this and swept it
Speaker 9: under the rug.
Speaker 2: And that tells me the Trump administration said watch this,
Speaker 2: we're going to ruin opening week. Maybe because it's been
Speaker 2: going on for years, why do it that day? Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 9: And obviously there's this belief that Gilbert Arenas, who was
Speaker 9: the first arrest in this, snitched on everybody back in July.
Speaker 9: And so you could say that, Okay, well, over the
Speaker 9: last couple of months, they've been getting their p's and
Speaker 9: q's in order and getting this case strong so that
Speaker 9: they can go and you know, do this whole thing. Ye,
Speaker 9: Or you can say they knew this whole time what
Speaker 9: was going to happen, and so we're going to do
Speaker 9: it to ruin the NBA.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 9: So I don't know that it matters that much as
Speaker 9: much as the truth matters here, and the truth is
Speaker 9: that the NBA has a gambling problem. This is not
Speaker 9: the first time that this has happened. And you know,
Speaker 9: you don't see this issue in the NFL. Nope, you've
Speaker 9: started to see it a little bit and Made League Baseball.
Speaker 9: You don't see it in hockey. You haven't seen it
Speaker 9: at the college level to this point. The NBA has
Speaker 9: an issue specifically with this, and I think part of
Speaker 9: it is you play eighty two games. There's so many
Speaker 9: singular prop bets, there's so many different ways to manipulate it.
Speaker 9: But the sports books know, and the sports books knew
Speaker 9: about Terry Rozier right away, and the NBA came up
Speaker 9: with this fake injury and he stopped playing, and they
Speaker 9: knew about it and swept it under the rug. Come
Speaker 9: to find out, it goes deeper with ties to a
Speaker 9: crime family and high stakes poker games and these elite
Speaker 9: level boards and sunglasses in a car table X ray table.
Speaker 9: I'm going to Watson's like, it goes so deep, and
Speaker 9: it's just it's not a good thing for the NBA.
Speaker 2: It's not. And here's that. And that's why I think
Speaker 2: is like the NBA did investigation on Rogier, right, It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it had nothing to see here, And then in the
Speaker 2: FBI's probably saying they're like, yeah, no, the FBI is
Speaker 2: like did they were they incompetent an investigation or did
Speaker 2: they just simply go, hey, man, the money's rolling in.
Speaker 2: We don't want to we don't need controversy. And I
Speaker 2: think that's why they did this the day after in
Speaker 2: an overshadowed opening week. It took all the steam out
Speaker 2: of that engine. That the big build up for the
Speaker 2: NBA season, and I think that was to send a message.
Speaker 9: And politics aside, I have no problem with that because
Speaker 9: there is no place I love the NBA. I watched
Speaker 9: the NBA. There's no place for that. And you've got
Speaker 9: to get it buttoned up. This is one of the
Speaker 9: concerns that people had from the very beginning. So the
Speaker 9: NBA is I'm sure feeling the pressure from the sports
Speaker 9: books in and of itself, and they're probably like, Hey,
Speaker 9: aren't you gonna do anything about this? And they're like, no,
Speaker 9: we're good. Well it's like, hello, you're messing with our business.
Speaker 9: So then you get the FBI involved. I'm sure the
Speaker 9: other leagues are not happy with the NBA two no,
Speaker 9: because now doubt starts to creep into everything that had Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think the other element is people are
Speaker 2: making this is the in the integrity of sports with
Speaker 2: gambling and college like you've always had that, you're still
Speaker 2: gonna have it. And look at how he got caught right,
Speaker 2: it was it was a professional gambler that's putting all
Speaker 2: this money in Rogier, that basically betting the under knowing
Speaker 2: that he was going to leave the game, and it
Speaker 2: set off all these signals are off of the sports
Speaker 2: books and kind of like remember the UC scandal, what
Speaker 2: you see was named in it with the Alabama baseball coach.
Speaker 2: Sure that happened the summer at GABP, I was just
Speaker 2: talking about that going it's the same thing. Well, like
Speaker 2: this guy put one hundred thousand dollars on an Alabama
Speaker 2: baseball game for the picture for them to know because
Speaker 2: they knew the starting pitcher was gonna get bench. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's what else is new?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: So anyway, let's move on to football. You see Tony
Speaker 2: Pike Day at at Nipperts Stadium. It's home coming And
Speaker 2: of course normally we talk about Baylor, we think about
Speaker 2: the NCAA tournament and basketball, not so much with football.
Speaker 2: I will say though, that you look at their record
Speaker 2: and you look it up. They're still putting up with
Speaker 2: thirty six points, so you know, and UC's defense is
Speaker 2: certainly not the best it's ever been. High scoring game.
Speaker 9: You think on something, I think you see defenses a
Speaker 9: work in progress, and they're an entirely different defense without
Speaker 9: Dante Corleone on the field, and they have to do
Speaker 9: a better job of adjusting because teams are taking advantage
Speaker 9: of that defense when he's not on the field. And
Speaker 9: Baylor specifically as one of the best passing offenses in
Speaker 9: the NFL or in the in the country in college football.
Speaker 9: So they are going to try to air it out.
Speaker 9: They're gonna try to use play action, They're gonna try
Speaker 9: to get those linebackers out of position, and it's not
Speaker 9: it's gonna be a challenge for you. Sid Brendan Sowersby
Speaker 9: is playing like one of the best quarterbacks in the
Speaker 9: country eighteen to one touchdown to interception ratio. He's been
Speaker 9: able to move the ball with his feet outside the pocket.
Speaker 9: He's finally got weapons that he can get the ball
Speaker 9: to on the outside. They're they're playing as good as
Speaker 9: they have under Scott's Saderfield all together. I think their
Speaker 9: special teams has been pretty solid as well. So Bearcats
Speaker 9: are favored. I expect them to win. And yeah, it's
Speaker 9: gonna be a fun weekend with Tony going into the
Speaker 9: Hall of Fame tonight and a few others and they're
Speaker 9: all being honored and there's a big parade tomorrow before
Speaker 9: the game as well. That Tony's gonna be the Grand
Speaker 9: Marshall there taking trying three day, right, it's in front
Speaker 9: of the giant inflatable, real size Tony Pike head. Well,
Speaker 9: I don't know if they make them that big.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: And speaking of honoring people, are Tony Pike and our
Speaker 2: Dave Lapham gets it on Sunday a ring of honor
Speaker 2: and the three and four Bengals trying to get to
Speaker 2: an even five hundred six and a half point favorites
Speaker 2: the dog of the league, the New York Football Jets
Speaker 2: are in with their oh to seven record, and you know,
Speaker 2: you look at it on page it's a it's a
Speaker 2: total mismatch, especially considering the injuries that a bad Jets
Speaker 2: team has on top of this.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless it's still an seven team. It's cornering an
Speaker 2: injured dog, so to speak. You got to watch out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And historically the Bengals, coming off of the quote unquote
Speaker 9: many bye, are not very good. I believe they've lost
Speaker 9: nine straight games following a Thursday game over the last
Speaker 9: ten seasons. Now, in their last ten Thursday games, they're
Speaker 9: six and four, So they've been good at that, but
Speaker 9: they've almost always followed it up with the loss. They
Speaker 9: have to avoid that against the Jets on Sunday. My
Speaker 9: biggest issue with the Bengals right now is, even if
Speaker 9: the Jets are hurt, and even if they're zero to seven,
Speaker 9: and even if you don't know who their quarterback is,
Speaker 9: if you don't tackle, you will get beat. Like their
Speaker 9: defense is good enough to keep them in the game
Speaker 9: even with the injuries, but you have got to get
Speaker 9: your defense off the field. If you're the Bengals. What
Speaker 9: are the three biggest issues with the Bengals. They have
Speaker 9: a bad offensive line, they have a bad defensive line,
Speaker 9: and they can't tackle. It doesn't matter who you play
Speaker 9: in the National Football League. Those three things will get
Speaker 9: you beat.
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 9: So the offensive line trending in the right direction. Defensive
Speaker 9: line you think will be better with Trey hendrickson coming back.
Speaker 9: You have got to tackle or you will lose. You
Speaker 9: can't overlook this game. You can't start looking ahead into Chicago.
Speaker 9: You can't have a hangover after you beat the Steelers
Speaker 9: on a Thursday night. Hopefully a normal week with the
Speaker 9: Bengals offense and with Joe Flacco and maybe a little
Speaker 9: bit of clarity on what this defense wants to do,
Speaker 9: and if they're a little healthier, can mean that the
Speaker 9: Bengals start to turn it in the right direction. But
Speaker 9: those things, especially the tackling the last two weeks nineteen
Speaker 9: misstackles against the Green Bay Packers, double digits again against
Speaker 9: the Pittsburgh Steelers. That cannot happen. That is a red
Speaker 9: flag for the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Cray is limited with the hip, does it make sense
Speaker 2: that you could still win this game with Samara and there?
Speaker 2: I mean, granted, now he's not played up to where
Speaker 2: he should be or expected being even by those admission
Speaker 2: he hasn't either, But it feels to me, with the
Speaker 2: limited weapons that they have, and now Tyrod Taylor, who's
Speaker 2: going to be a pocket, it seems to me like
Speaker 2: you can win without Trey being in there. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: would think so, or if this makes sense to rest
Speaker 2: him again, I don't know that I would do that.
Speaker 9: Trey will want to play and part of his contract
Speaker 9: involves playtime, so him missing one game, he's not going
Speaker 9: to want to do that. But at the bare minimum,
Speaker 9: I would like to see him in at pass rushing downs,
Speaker 9: you know, much like the Packers at the beginning of
Speaker 9: the season with Michael Parsons he had that back injury.
Speaker 9: He only really came out on the field on third downs,
Speaker 9: third and five or longer. And so maybe we'll see
Speaker 9: that type of thing from Trey Hendrickson. Do that workload
Speaker 9: a little bit, because Shamar needs more reps and I
Speaker 9: give him a little bit of grace coming off the
Speaker 9: ankle injury against the Steelers last week, but he's got
Speaker 9: to start making some noise.
Speaker 2: Nobody else really is now.
Speaker 9: I will say this, Joseph Osai has really ticked up
Speaker 9: over the last couple of games. He's starting to trend
Speaker 9: in the right direction. One of the league leaders in
Speaker 9: pressures right now. So if Osai can stay consistent much
Speaker 9: like he was the final five games of last year
Speaker 9: with Trey, with Shamar, you might start to have something.
Speaker 9: You're gonna have to run game. I have a run game. Mean,
Speaker 9: Chase Brown put up ridiculous numbers last week. Didn't No
Speaker 9: one saw that comings They've been so bad all year
Speaker 9: and then just absolutely flashes. You probably don't have to
Speaker 9: put that kind of performance in simply because mentioned the
Speaker 9: injury bug. I was kind of looking forward to seeing
Speaker 9: Sauce against our number ones, right Chase On twenty twenty two.
Speaker 9: When he came in the league. It's like, here, do
Speaker 9: you see guy homecoming weekend? It'd be a great story.
Speaker 2: He comes in, he shut Chase down last time, while
Speaker 2: he do it again this week, so he is out.
Speaker 2: You look at their secondary, the guy I will forget
Speaker 2: it was name other corner he's got to I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna play. They're so banged up. But the point
Speaker 2: is you're just gonna air the ball out. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can need a little run game to balance with Flacco,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's just gonna pass them, cut them up.
Speaker 9: I would expect the Bengals to try to keep it
Speaker 9: going with that that run game that they found against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 9: I think they want to really double down on that
Speaker 9: and establish that because you can see how that opens
Speaker 9: up the rest of the offense. And the Bengals had
Speaker 9: a big tendency breaker against the Steelers, which is when
Speaker 9: they went under center, they did a couple I think
Speaker 9: four straight drop back passes, which means when they're under center,
Speaker 9: previously it was either they run the ball or they
Speaker 9: play action. Now two step, three step drop ball out
Speaker 9: of the hands of Joe Flacco, defenses had to be
Speaker 9: prepared for that. That opens up parts of the offense
Speaker 9: as well, and it especially opens up parts of that
Speaker 9: run game. I saw some creativity in that run game.
Speaker 9: I saw some execution. Dalton Reisner at left guard. Don't
Speaker 9: know if he's going to start. Zach Taylor hasn't said
Speaker 9: guards are going to be but Dalton Reisner over the
Speaker 9: course of his career has played left guard more and
Speaker 9: he looked a lot more comfortable there against the Pittsburgh
Speaker 9: correct So I could see Zach Taylor saying, Okay, I'm
Speaker 9: gonna stick with what's working here. If we're able to
Speaker 9: run the ball effectively with this grouping, let's stick with
Speaker 9: that and see.
Speaker 2: How it goes.
Speaker 9: Now, are they do they have a short leash like
Speaker 9: Jalen Rivers who is struggling in pass protection, maybe especially
Speaker 9: if there's a situation where the Bengals have to throw
Speaker 9: the ball. But I think Zach will lean into that
Speaker 9: run game to try to really get some confidence and
Speaker 9: some consistency in that unit going, and then that will
Speaker 9: open up the pass game, much like you saw against.
Speaker 2: Yea and Dylan Fairschaud and always hurt coming back off
Speaker 2: that and what what pieces he puts together for for
Speaker 2: this Jets game, but he has options there as they
Speaker 2: start to hopefully it looks like they're turning the corner.
Speaker 2: But the Jets, you know, as a bad team to
Speaker 2: begin with, you got you got Tyrod Taylor in and
Speaker 2: there you don't have to worry about Justin Field's running
Speaker 2: all over you. Tyrod's gonna be a pocket guy at
Speaker 2: this state of the game. Joe Flacco gets to play
Speaker 2: another old quarterback. They were teammates. It's fourteen years ago.
Speaker 9: It's insane in twenty eleven to Rod Taylor and Joe
Speaker 9: Flacco were teammates with the Baltimore Ravens. Isn't that crazy
Speaker 9: that they're still doing it? Yeah, they really are. Yeah,
Speaker 9: but you don't want to look past it. They're ow
Speaker 9: and seven like you should die. I think the message
Speaker 9: from from Zach Taylor should be this week, Hey, all
Speaker 9: the crap that we've went to went through, and we're
Speaker 9: going to get a forty year old quarterback and Joe
Speaker 9: Burrow is still hurt. We still have a chance to
Speaker 9: be five hundred and two and zero in our division
Speaker 9: at home over the next couple of weeks, and we
Speaker 9: can get the five hundred before the bye. That should
Speaker 9: be the message. Everything you want is still right in
Speaker 9: front of you. And I think the confidence of going
Speaker 9: and beating the Pittsburgh Steelers, the way that they played
Speaker 9: in that second half against Green Bay, I think this
Speaker 9: team has more confidence now than they've had at any
Speaker 9: point since Burrow got hurt, and that I think is
Speaker 9: a good thing. But you just want to avoid that
Speaker 9: hangover and say, okay, listen, you got to get to
Speaker 9: four and four so that you have a chance to
Speaker 9: get to five and four before the bid. Chicago is
Speaker 9: a good team. We'll talk about that next week. That
Speaker 9: could but that's the thing is you're gonna play a
Speaker 9: lot of good teams between now and the end of
Speaker 9: the season. There's a stretch there with Buffalo and Baltimore
Speaker 9: twice and New England is really coming on strong. So
Speaker 9: these games are very, very very important if you're continuing
Speaker 9: to try to buy some time for Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: We're also heading close to the trade deadline, and I
Speaker 2: you know, bring up the Logan Wilson thing and every
Speaker 2: year you have teams at and I get it, man,
Speaker 2: you know, here's a guy, he's what is late twenties
Speaker 2: twenty nine, I think, and he wants to play, and
Speaker 2: they got rookies in there, he's not playing, and so
Speaker 2: he had played. They sat him at Green Bay last week,
Speaker 2: and you're looking for a new home, So you know,
Speaker 2: I know a lot has been made. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's controversial. I think that's just the NFL and he'll
Speaker 2: end up somewhere else.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's a lot of guys that have asked for
Speaker 9: trades over the last couple of years with the Bengals,
Speaker 9: and none of them have gotten traded. So I don't
Speaker 9: know that it means all that much. It's a smart
Speaker 9: move for him because you're two weeks out of the
Speaker 9: trade deadline and they clearly don't plan on playing you
Speaker 9: a significant amount. And there are some linebacker needy teams
Speaker 9: out there, the Dallas Cowboys, the forty nine ers. You
Speaker 9: obviously think of the fit of him and Lou in
Speaker 9: a room in Indianapolis. There are some other teams out
Speaker 9: there that, Okay, they might pick up the phone and
Speaker 9: call for Logan Wilson, But the Bengals, as far as
Speaker 9: I'm concerned, the depth at that position is still a
Speaker 9: major issue. You know, outside of Logan Wilson. It's Shaka
Speaker 9: Hayward and Orrin Burks, and you don't really want to
Speaker 9: have to turn to those guys in the biggest moments.
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Speaker 2: hundred WW Cincinnati, It's got a flum show on seven
Speaker 2: hundred W ALWDY. The National Football League it is a monster,
Speaker 2: and that I think really diminishes what it is. I
Speaker 2: wish I could come up with a better adjective because
Speaker 2: I think about it. You know, yeah, how big soccer
Speaker 2: is in racing and tennis, and the NFL generates more
Speaker 2: revenue than any other league in the world, and it's
Speaker 2: nearly all domestic if you think about it. As far
Speaker 2: as TV shows go, NFL counted for seventy the top
Speaker 2: one hundred broadcasts in the United States last year, twenty
Speaker 2: three billion in revenue. The Bengals and all the other
Speaker 2: thirty one teams get over four hundred and thirty million
Speaker 2: dollars a year back from the NFL, from TV revenue
Speaker 2: and all everything involved there. And there are three powerful
Speaker 2: figures that got us to where we are today. Is
Speaker 2: one of them Paul Brown. Let me ask Ken ken Belson.
Speaker 2: He's a veteran NFL business reporter with the New York Times,
Speaker 2: has the book out every day is Sunday, and Ken, welcome,
Speaker 2: how are you.
Speaker 7: Very good?
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we live in Cincinnati where Paul Brown still casts
Speaker 2: a shadow. I think you know the person who is
Speaker 2: essentially one of the cornerstones in the Mount rushmore over
Speaker 2: the early NFL. But we're not talking about that. We're
Speaker 2: talking over the last couple of decades and how it
Speaker 2: became such a revenue monster. And the three people responsible
Speaker 2: are whom.
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones and I started the book in the early nineties.
Speaker 4: So just as a reference for it, if we're going
Speaker 4: to expand Mount Rush or Paul Brown would most definitely
Speaker 4: be on it. But Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and now
Speaker 4: Roger Goodell, and I'm talking dollars and sometimes common sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look at that line, go well, Jerry Jones
Speaker 2: came in prior to Robert Craft, I believe, and Roger Goodell,
Speaker 2: of course the last commissioner. So let's start with the time.
Speaker 2: Let's start with Jerry Jones.
Speaker 4: Sure, Jerry came in in eighty nine. The Cowboys, which
Speaker 4: used to be America's team self proclaimed, of course, you know,
Speaker 4: were flat on their back. They were losing a million
Speaker 4: dollars a month. And he revived what was then the
Speaker 4: premieer brand of the seventies, and all those Landry Stylebach teams,
Speaker 4: he revived them. He brought money in Glmer and Glitz back,
Speaker 4: and of course won three Super Bowls. But his big contribution,
Speaker 4: at least from where I sit writing the book looking
Speaker 4: at the league overall, was he was the first to
Speaker 4: look at the TV cond of tracts, which back then
Speaker 4: with CBS, ABC, NBC, there were only three bidders. It
Speaker 4: was a cozy club art model of the Browns used
Speaker 4: to run the the broadcasting contract. And Jerry, you know,
Speaker 4: as an entrepreneur, said why don't we have a fourth bidder,
Speaker 4: Why don't we get an auction going, which is also
Speaker 4: business common sense, yep. So he invited in a fellow
Speaker 4: named Rupert Murdoch, who was desperate for sports to put
Speaker 4: Fox on the map and to get affiliates to switch
Speaker 4: over to him, and it worked. He blew a CBS
Speaker 4: out of the water. CBS learned its lesson, came back
Speaker 4: four years later and paid twice as much for the
Speaker 4: AFC package. And so Jerry really brought that kind of
Speaker 4: businessman's instinct, also a bit of a wildcatter's instinct. He
Speaker 4: started marketing the cowboys every which way and that pissed
Speaker 4: off a lot of old owners. But yeah, he as
Speaker 4: Carmen Polos. He said, he taught us how to make money.
Speaker 4: That's what Jerry goes.
Speaker 2: He really did. I mean, think how you monetized the
Speaker 2: cheerleaders too. Had said, hey, you know sex Sel Sex Dallas.
Speaker 2: Cowboy cheelers are a huge thing in the seventies, had
Speaker 2: a TV show and everything. So he was squeezing every
Speaker 2: possible nickel out and this precipitated the era that we're
Speaker 2: in right now with the flamboyants, the media presence, the
Speaker 2: monetization of everything. So how does that then lead into
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft? How did what did he add to the mix?
Speaker 1: Well, Robert came in very much like Jerry.
Speaker 4: He paid record amount for a really bad team. The
Speaker 4: Patriots were always at the bottom of the league financially
Speaker 4: and usually in the standings as well, and he, you know,
Speaker 4: again set out to revive it. He built a new
Speaker 4: stadium eventually and then built real estate around it and
Speaker 4: went to the Super Bowl, as we all know. But
Speaker 4: again he got very involved in league business and also
Speaker 4: on the media side. He had owned part owned a
Speaker 4: CBS affiliate in Boston, so he already had really good
Speaker 4: contact with Les Moonbez and Melkarmizan and these guys. And
Speaker 4: you know, he was the guy who brought CBS back
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety six and they, as I said, they
Speaker 4: did twice as much for what was considered back then.
Speaker 4: The AFC package was considered less prestigious. So Robert also
Speaker 4: had that instinct we all need to we need to
Speaker 4: look to all oats. We can't just focus on our
Speaker 4: own teams in our own markets. And you know, Jerry
Speaker 4: in various places has picked on the Browns, the Brown family,
Speaker 4: and the Bengals because they weren't carrying or he felt
Speaker 4: they weren't.
Speaker 7: Carrying their weight.
Speaker 4: But his argument was, look, if we juice up the marketing,
Speaker 4: you know, everybody should be able to sell in their
Speaker 4: own markets and make extra money. But you know, some
Speaker 4: of the older teams are the older owners. They this
Speaker 4: wasn't how they did business. So there was a good
Speaker 4: culture clash, and it's a good one, but there was
Speaker 4: a culture class in the nineties that now is just
Speaker 4: taken for granted. Everybody's in it to make money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really has. And I think Bob Kraft
Speaker 2: and he had a hand in launching NFL Network and
Speaker 2: Sunday Ticket and all those things we just take for granted.
Speaker 2: But that was largely out of the mind of Bob Craft,
Speaker 2: wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely And you know, Bob still called Robert. He still
Speaker 4: goes to the Allen and Company, you know confab in
Speaker 4: Idaho every summer. He's you know, shoulders with NBC. All
Speaker 4: the networks come to see and go through Bob Craft.
Speaker 4: The big Sunday ticket renewal with YouTube when they switched
Speaker 4: over to YouTube was over two billion dollars a year,
Speaker 4: more than double what had been paid. And again Craft
Speaker 4: was very instrumental in that in some ways. Really interestingly,
Speaker 4: Jerry and Robert compete against each other for who gets
Speaker 4: credit for all this and they so I guess their
Speaker 4: egos also put them up on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Paul Brown begets Jerry Jones, a big gests
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft to So where does that go then? If
Speaker 2: that lineage you can get Bob Kraft, got JR. Jones.
Speaker 2: Who's the next? I guess revolutionary If you will change agent,
Speaker 2: the NFL strights ownership goes which owner?
Speaker 4: Well, I feel like we're entering NFL three point zero here.
Speaker 4: You know where teams are even now, like lifestyle brands,
Speaker 4: they're becoming you know, real estate, they're becoming literally communities.
Speaker 4: You look at what's happening in Nashville. They're building townhouses
Speaker 4: next to NFL stadiums. It used to be I mean
Speaker 4: you know this every fan does. Stadiums used to be
Speaker 4: out in the suburbs and they were just surrounded by
Speaker 4: miles of parking lots. Kansas City still has that, and
Speaker 4: teams are realizing, Boy, our brands are so powerful. We
Speaker 4: could sell pretty much anything because fans want to be
Speaker 4: sort of close to it, and baseball has done a
Speaker 4: good job of it over the years. You know, building
Speaker 4: stadiums in city. You know, family was sort of grandfarthered
Speaker 4: in even my beloved vents. You know, they're now putting
Speaker 4: a soccer stadium across the street and apartments. But football's
Speaker 4: been slow to them, partly because of the size of
Speaker 4: the stadiums and just the infrequency of this, of the
Speaker 4: number of games.
Speaker 2: But there is a scary city with the NFL, right,
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is amazing part about this is
Speaker 2: they did this is a baseball or hockey or the NBA.
Speaker 2: This is like seventeen weeks. Eighteen weeks, you're beginning, ending,
Speaker 2: and done. And that's an incredibly small amount of time
Speaker 2: to generate this kind of revenue. You're right about the
Speaker 2: Bob mean here in Cincinnati, you know, you can get
Speaker 2: a place overlooking Great American Ballpark. So he's Ken Belson.
Speaker 2: He writes for The New York Times, veteran reporter every
Speaker 2: day a Sunday, How Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and Roger
Speaker 2: Goodell turned the NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. So we get to Roger Goodell, now Ken
Speaker 2: and his target going in when he took office, I
Speaker 2: think in twenty oh six, he wanted to triple the
Speaker 2: NFL revenue to twenty five billion by twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: I said in the open last year they did twenty
Speaker 2: three billion. He's not on target, he's over target.
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, and it was audacious when he made
Speaker 4: that prediction to the owners. He was a relatively new
Speaker 4: commissioner then, but he wanted to show the owners what
Speaker 4: he was about. He was working on behalf of them
Speaker 4: in the thirty two and you know, as he knows,
Speaker 4: he knows who pays his salary. And if you said
Speaker 4: an aggressive target, even the owners in the room that
Speaker 4: I spoke with were shaking their heads, saying, how are
Speaker 4: we going to get there? That's a billion dollars a
Speaker 4: year for fifteen some odd years. That's that's pretty audacious.
Speaker 4: The league back then was maybe ten billion dollars.
Speaker 5: So he did it.
Speaker 4: He did it through TV deals, not just Roger, of course,
Speaker 4: but he sets the tone in the building, not just
Speaker 4: for the media deals that the owners negotiate, but the sponsorships.
Speaker 4: You look now, of course you got Verizon and Pepsi,
Speaker 4: there's a new official bank EA the game company. They
Speaker 4: keep slicing, slicing it a little thinner and finding new
Speaker 4: ways to market. And you know it used to be
Speaker 4: in and have a drink. Well, now there's the official
Speaker 4: rum sponsor, the official box sponsor. So they're finding money
Speaker 4: in new places, and look, brands want to be associated
Speaker 4: with the league and many sports.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, Ken, how has international expansion worked? Is that
Speaker 2: the future? Because it seems they're really pushing it. It's
Speaker 2: hard to tell me. You have a lot of expats
Speaker 2: attending games in London and elsewhere, and you're trying it
Speaker 2: in different countries and in different continent Is that the
Speaker 2: future of the NFL?
Speaker 4: It's one future of the NFL. I think there's something
Speaker 4: of a misconception that you know, this is like gravy
Speaker 4: on top of you know, an already robust domestic market.
Speaker 4: But the reality is they need to look overseas. The
Speaker 4: growth rate in America is population growth rate is slowing.
Speaker 4: You know, the concussion issue has turned some parents away
Speaker 4: from football, and you know, many many studies have shown
Speaker 4: that what sport you play as a kid is going
Speaker 4: to turn you into a fan later in life. So
Speaker 4: if you play grew up playing little league baseball, you're
Speaker 4: more likely to be a baseball fan. Of course, you
Speaker 4: like many sports, but your primary sport. So the NFL
Speaker 4: needs young kids playing the game, and that's where flag
Speaker 4: comes in, obviously because it's a cheap way to start
Speaker 4: kids out on football and also to reassure parents. But
Speaker 4: it's also why the NFL is looking overseas. They need
Speaker 4: new fans, new markets, new media deals, new sponsors, and
Speaker 4: so they're using flag because outside of North America probably Germany,
Speaker 4: really not many people play it, so they have to
Speaker 4: educate fans. So I see international as much as a
Speaker 4: necessity as a luxury, and that's why we're seeing all
Speaker 4: these extra games being added. Roger Goodell see apparently they
Speaker 4: want to add two more international games next year. Eventually
Speaker 4: they'll get to basically one every week by the time
Speaker 4: they're done with it.
Speaker 2: And that seems like I think, of your a football
Speaker 2: fan here, it just seems like they in no way
Speaker 2: the Europeans a British state, they don't really care about
Speaker 2: American football. That But it wasn't that long ago, mostly
Speaker 2: under Roger Goodell, we said the same thing about female fans.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of guys watching the women go and
Speaker 2: shop and make dinner or whatever, you know, back of
Speaker 2: the seventies, just thinking and now just as many women
Speaker 2: is matter watching football. How do they pull that one off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a very deliberate long term strategy. Flag
Speaker 4: is one way to teach the game to fans who
Speaker 4: aren't interested in you know, option plays and RPOs and
Speaker 4: all this other stuff, but they want they see the basics.
Speaker 4: I think they've been very good the branding of the league.
Speaker 4: I'm not just talking about press cancer awareness, but literally
Speaker 4: the fashion items. If you go on NFL dot com,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of women's that lean into the women's
Speaker 4: fashion as well. And trying to make it sort of
Speaker 4: more fan friendly, the game day experience. I mean the
Speaker 4: days when you would tailgate, drink a six pack of
Speaker 4: beer and go with your buddies. They're trying to make
Speaker 4: it so you can bring your kids to the game
Speaker 4: and your wife, maybe your girlfriend. So softening the sport
Speaker 4: a little bit, not like the old dog Pound in
Speaker 4: the municipal stadium, you know she was was It wasn't
Speaker 4: even fan friendly, but yeah, it was kind of a
Speaker 4: rough out there. So yeah, so I think these are
Speaker 4: all very deliberate efforts to sort of broaden the audience
Speaker 4: because the older fans, I mean not one of them,
Speaker 4: we're aging out. Younger kids want an experience. This isn't
Speaker 4: just true of football, but many sports. They're looking for
Speaker 4: the experience. They're not so much looking for a season package.
Speaker 4: They're by the jersey, but you need a Joe Burrow,
Speaker 4: you know, you need some star pal. And then the
Speaker 4: NFL has picked up on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think maybe still a little bit from
Speaker 2: the NBA. Speaking of that, of course, you know, we
Speaker 2: have controversies, right and navigating can suck. Concussion lawsuits and
Speaker 2: CTE and the flight Gate and all that stuff. NFL
Speaker 2: is really really good about handling criseses and flare ups
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: One of the themes in the book is you see
Speaker 4: over and over the Ray Rice issue, the bullying scandal,
Speaker 4: the to fight, to a certain degree deflacate the social
Speaker 4: justice protests in twenty seventeen. The NFL is kind of
Speaker 4: a deck at identifying the problem, trying to minimize the risks,
Speaker 4: usually with lawyers. Concussion crisis another example of this, and
Speaker 4: then trying to turn the focus back to number one
Speaker 4: quote what they call solutions, say for helmets, neurologists on
Speaker 4: the sidelines, and then trying to pivot forward, you know,
Speaker 4: and and rebranding the game. They know like if you
Speaker 4: and I would understand anybody would understand it. It's all
Speaker 4: about the games. Once the games start, people are hooked,
Speaker 4: particularly late in the season, and so they try and
Speaker 4: address these problems so they can quickly pivot back to
Speaker 4: the football, the action on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, what do you see as the biggest threat
Speaker 2: to the NFL over the next decade? Is it health?
Speaker 2: Is it fan engagement? Something else?
Speaker 4: You know, the players now see gambling very differently. Many
Speaker 4: of them have grown up as adults after sports legalized
Speaker 4: sports gambling. You know, sports gambling was legalized nationally, so
Speaker 4: they don't have the same Alex taras Paul Hornig, you
Speaker 4: know Pete Rose stigma, right, And it's mean as more entertainment.
Speaker 4: And I think players are going to unwittingly walk into
Speaker 4: some of these traps and not fully grasp what's going on.
Speaker 4: The Other thing is phones. This is both good in
Speaker 4: bed you can watch your favorite highlights to get your
Speaker 4: fantasy scores, but it also distracts you from the actual product,
Speaker 4: and gambling only accelerates that, you know, the dopamine hit
Speaker 4: of seeing your favorite player score a touchdown and maybe
Speaker 4: get your six points in a fantasy league is now accelerated,
Speaker 4: you know, hyped up when money is on the line,
Speaker 4: and you know, so I think it's it's it's not
Speaker 4: just the NFL, but the NFL is the most gambled
Speaker 4: on sport, and I think they're going to grapple with
Speaker 4: sort of a changing fan attitude towards the league. And
Speaker 4: I don't know how you put the genie back in
Speaker 4: the bottle. That's not my expertise, but it's it's going
Speaker 4: to play out over a bunch of years now.
Speaker 2: Also, wonder how AI is going to change all the
Speaker 2: That's that's the unforeseen. I'm the I'm sure the NFL
Speaker 2: lean into and adapt to whatever it is. But you know,
Speaker 2: I see that from an entertainment perspective, which sports is.
Speaker 2: It's not about sports anymore, it's about entertainment. I see
Speaker 2: that as an existential threat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, right now AI is being used
Speaker 4: mostly in in you know, analytics departments at teams, but
Speaker 4: also to figure out a way to get you to
Speaker 4: buy an extra ticket or you know, anticipate what you're
Speaker 4: going to want to drink when you get to the
Speaker 4: stadium and send you a coupon for it. So right now,
Speaker 4: it's mostly on the business side, but there could be
Speaker 4: media strategies around it. I mean, fans are using it
Speaker 4: all over the place, and you know, spoofing is a
Speaker 4: big issue too. But I just think that the trusts.
Speaker 4: It's so hard in any brand to build up trust,
Speaker 4: and it can evaporate very quickly if there's a scandal
Speaker 4: and people stop believing what they're watching.
Speaker 2: All right, veteran New York Times sports reporter Ken Belson.
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Speaker 2: Robert Craft, Roger Goodell turn the NFL into a cultural
Speaker 2: and economic juggernauts. Fantastic read, Very very interesting, and considering
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Speaker 2: and where they're going. Can all the best, Good luck
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Speaker 1: The weekend's coming up and you need to make the
Speaker 1: most of it.
Speaker 5: Where to go and what to do.
Speaker 1: She has the tips and inside to help you make
Speaker 1: it a super weekend, So listen up. This is the
Speaker 1: Local Loop with Ali mart on seven hundred w LW.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on your week? Everything good?
Speaker 6: It is great. It's chrispy, this is cold.
Speaker 10: Actually feel like it's every finances dream because it's puffer
Speaker 10: vest season.
Speaker 2: Buffer best season. You know the look I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: the quarters it yeah. And if you're thick, you look
Speaker 2: like a marshmallow. It's like you got to be tall
Speaker 2: and bony like you and you get away. You get
Speaker 2: away with that. So it's all good. Ally Martin, it's
Speaker 2: the Local Loop. Will jump right in. It feels like
Speaker 2: it's pumpkin season to be sure with Halloween on the horizon.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 10: Yes, it is a pumpkin season and it's time for
Speaker 10: maybe a good haunted tour or if you're going, if
Speaker 10: you're going to any haunted houses.
Speaker 6: But there's one spot in particular that they're doing it right.
Speaker 10: Honestly, they're doing it right just to general because they
Speaker 10: have an incredible lineup events that we have two we're
Speaker 10: gonna talk about here, and that's Northern Row.
Speaker 6: You remember Northern Row. It's a brewery near in over
Speaker 6: the Rhine. Really cool, a lot of awesome history. Coming up.
Speaker 10: On Thursday, October thirtieth, they're doing this pumpkin painting party
Speaker 10: and you're like, well that kind of is that really fun?
Speaker 10: And like, yeah, it is fun because they're going to
Speaker 10: bring in live music and it's all for free and
Speaker 10: you can go and they'll give you pumpkins and you
Speaker 10: give you know, they give you all of the material
Speaker 10: and everything to use it. It's an extension of what
Speaker 10: they're doing called Craft Nights. So yes, it's a pun
Speaker 10: on words in regards to craft beer. But also they're
Speaker 10: bringing in craft artists where they're really encouraging if you're
Speaker 10: into whatever it is, maybe you like to crochet, or you.
Speaker 6: Do like to paint, or you like to tink her
Speaker 6: with some cool stuff.
Speaker 2: I just want to drink.
Speaker 6: Then come and drink the craft beer.
Speaker 10: On top of this though, because they're doing this pupkin
Speaker 10: painting party, they're collaborating with American Legacy Tours because right
Speaker 10: down the street is the Linked Tunnels in which they
Speaker 10: do their ghost tours. So you can hang out, drink
Speaker 10: some beer, and sign up and go do a tour
Speaker 10: at the same time and check out the tunnels. If
Speaker 10: you've never done it and do the full on ghost tour,
Speaker 10: it is because you've.
Speaker 2: Been out of the tunneling.
Speaker 6: Have you done?
Speaker 2: You have a ghost ghost? Let me tell you you
Speaker 2: try to get those guys out next week sometime for Halloween.
Speaker 6: You got it. Miranda, she'll have She's our favorite Australia stories.
Speaker 6: She has all of the stories.
Speaker 10: I have stories myself down there too because of just
Speaker 10: going down and having a good relationship with them, and
Speaker 10: every single time it's a little different. They give you
Speaker 10: different equipment, so ghost hunting equipment, and they turn off
Speaker 10: the lights and you're rolling down with.
Speaker 6: Just a flashlight.
Speaker 2: What they give you what's ghost setting equipment.
Speaker 6: Okay, have you ever seen those copper rods that people
Speaker 6: will hold?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, detexts.
Speaker 6: M yeah. So they have the EMF readers, they have
Speaker 6: the copper rods.
Speaker 10: And I'm not going to get too much into the
Speaker 10: history of our city, but the best way to put
Speaker 10: it is this city has a lot of trapped energy, cholera,
Speaker 10: a lot of death sure.
Speaker 6: Back in the day. And there are plenty of ghost
Speaker 6: stories to go around. But we'll save that for.
Speaker 4: Time.
Speaker 6: You will save that for Miranda. But also happening at
Speaker 6: Northern Row is a new event called Low and Slow.
Speaker 6: Write this down, put this in your calendar.
Speaker 10: It's happening on November eighth, So it's not this week,
Speaker 10: but is November eighth, and it's all it's an event
Speaker 10: honoring firefighters while also raising money and having a barbecue,
Speaker 10: a barbecue cocar. So yeah, they're launching a new beer
Speaker 10: called Roughneck Lagger. It's an American light ale. And while
Speaker 10: they're brewing this also a good portion of the proceeds
Speaker 10: are going to be going back to the Cincinnati Firefighters
Speaker 10: Union Local forty eight, which is a really great organization
Speaker 10: that it you know, firefighters protect our community. This is
Speaker 10: an organization that protects themselves, so it helps with resources.
Speaker 10: It supplies them with access to health and wellness care.
Speaker 6: You know taboo.
Speaker 10: Mental health is pretty taboo within that community. So being
Speaker 10: able to give them those types of resources is it
Speaker 10: goes a long way.
Speaker 6: So it will be going back to.
Speaker 5: The fire.
Speaker 6: And the food.
Speaker 10: Got oh, you're bringing in pickled pig. You're bringing in
Speaker 10: Celia Joe's Brothers barbecue. I got a little scoop that
Speaker 10: the pickled pig Gary over there is incredible.
Speaker 6: He's doing a smoked lamb ragou with a creamy pol
Speaker 6: That probably pretty good.
Speaker 2: That's a good cold weather food right there. That is
Speaker 2: lamb night.
Speaker 10: We're just chef's kiss run that cusp of that. So
Speaker 10: I'm sure I'll mention it again in the next couple
Speaker 10: of weeks. But November eighth, write it in low and
Speaker 10: slow and get back to your firefighter.
Speaker 2: I love it. Okay. This morning I'm driving in listening
Speaker 2: to Hawkins and for Tom Brenneman's up doing football this
Speaker 2: Weekendnational Games, and he had someone out from the cost
Speaker 2: Coffee festival.
Speaker 6: Right, you're a coffee guy, like coffee.
Speaker 10: Let's go, Yeah, coffee festival is happening this Saturday and
Speaker 10: Sunday at the Cincinnati Music Hall. What I do love
Speaker 10: about this festival is it's approachable. Where the tickets aren't,
Speaker 10: you know, fifty five bucks, it's like twenty.
Speaker 2: Why would you need to have much for coffee and wine?
Speaker 2: I could see that, but it's coffee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: But you know, sometimes these festivals are like, all right,
Speaker 6: what what is.
Speaker 2: Happening as the water and beans? Let's let's not let's
Speaker 2: sixty bucks.
Speaker 6: Come on, man, and you're gonna have people who are
Speaker 6: running laps in that place and no time.
Speaker 2: Talking like this because I'm trying on the cofee. This
Speaker 2: is really good. Anything that's really good, This is really good.
Speaker 2: You think I talk fast? Now, talk to me after
Speaker 2: coffee Fest?
Speaker 6: You need a depressant after fall asleep place and.
Speaker 2: No time coffee? This is really good. Anything that's really good,
Speaker 2: it's really good. Do you think I talk fast?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 2: Okay, talk to me after coffee fest? You need a
Speaker 2: depressant after I'll fall asleep on Monday at nine adhd awful.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 6: Michelle's gonna love it. Yeah, So that's happening at the
Speaker 6: Society Music Hall.
Speaker 10: There's gonna be over sixty different vendors, you know, coffee roasters,
Speaker 10: tea shops, chocolate tears, pastry, pastries, and baked goods. What
Speaker 10: I really enjoy is a really good latte art throwdown.
Speaker 10: So that's one of those things that I like coffee.
Speaker 10: I would like to learn more about coffee. I'd like
Speaker 10: to invest in a fancy espresso maker and do some
Speaker 10: of that fun latte art. Never really have gotten into it,
Speaker 10: but there is a nuance and there is an art
Speaker 10: to it which is pretty cool.
Speaker 6: And do you know what takes? What it takes to
Speaker 6: have the freshest cup of coffee?
Speaker 2: Hot water, good water, good good water, water, good filtered water,
Speaker 2: filtered water.
Speaker 6: Okay, I have that, yeah, And I learned.
Speaker 10: This the other day that in order to have like
Speaker 10: the freshest cup of coffee is just to grind the
Speaker 10: beans right on the spot, which is not always accessible
Speaker 10: and easy to do. But if you can grind the
Speaker 10: beans and then make a cup of coffee right there,
Speaker 10: that's going to be your freshest cup of coffee. And
Speaker 10: if you're going into a coffee shop, ask for the
Speaker 10: most recent because you know, usually have the they have
Speaker 10: like the big jugs that are already pre made, ask
Speaker 10: for the most recently.
Speaker 2: Or just do a power over right the pour over? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and and French press.
Speaker 10: I think if you can even again have the beans
Speaker 10: grinded there. But that's going to be your your best bet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with a at home.
Speaker 6: I'm good. See and you're killing and you're killing the planet.
Speaker 6: You're one of those you're too lazy.
Speaker 2: To say, says the woman who has three Starbucks a
Speaker 2: day in a giant plastic cup of a huge straw.
Speaker 6: I am offended. I am that is not me walking
Speaker 6: through these hallways in environment.
Speaker 2: I watched the thing and I I need it now.
Speaker 2: Star making a whole pot of morning on the way
Speaker 2: in every day? What's wrong with you?
Speaker 6: Hold on, there's a lot to unpack. I'm still offended.
Speaker 6: I'm holding on it.
Speaker 2: You think I'm a Starbucks screen Yeah, you seem like
Speaker 2: I'm a.
Speaker 6: Dunk and girly. I'm all about affordability and their coffee
Speaker 6: is really good.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm with you? Donkeys, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 6: Just the black dark cup and then what.
Speaker 2: Kind of cup do they serve that in?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 6: That's what if I told you I bring my own cup.
Speaker 2: You don't, don't. I'm looking right through you. I see
Speaker 2: right through you.
Speaker 6: Here's the other thing.
Speaker 2: What I do you bring on shopping bag? You're not
Speaker 2: one of those people. But I can champagne. I don't
Speaker 2: have to. I'm lucky. I remember to wear pants, want
Speaker 2: to go to the grocery store. I can't remember to
Speaker 2: bring where those toes.
Speaker 6: That means this is a sign of Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2: Probably is coffee. More like I don't Carozheimer's.
Speaker 6: And how many guns you are at that age zero?
Speaker 2: Given when you were at when you were at.
Speaker 6: The grocery store, what coffee are you reaching for? If
Speaker 6: you're making it from home? Everything is carrec You've never
Speaker 6: you don't have like a coffee PI used to.
Speaker 2: But it's like you throw half of it out because
Speaker 2: you have. And like in the morning when I when
Speaker 2: I get up, okay, so I'm up at arm goes
Speaker 2: up five forty five. Yeah, I get I'm making my
Speaker 2: coffee my travel mug. Right, bring that in a couple
Speaker 2: of two pods and I'm good to go.
Speaker 6: How do you feel about the poor over Would you
Speaker 6: ever switch to the PA It's.
Speaker 2: Much better than the cureate I'll give you that, and
Speaker 2: you keep it clean and stuff like that. But I
Speaker 2: don't have that kind of time. I'm not getting up
Speaker 2: an extra forty five minutes earlier to make a perfect
Speaker 2: cup of coffee. I don't care. I need a caffeine out.
Speaker 6: I'm a poor over girl. You hear me out.
Speaker 10: You get one of those chem x for the hourglass
Speaker 10: looking thing. You just put the funnel, you wet the filter,
Speaker 10: you throw the grounds in.
Speaker 2: There too much time, one push squeezes the water left.
Speaker 2: Don't care. You're not respecting all right on the weekend
Speaker 2: five times? Sure don't show up. Sure, Sure, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: want it. You're right, you don't want to come up
Speaker 2: with my senka.
Speaker 10: You know what, you can stay up in Mason because
Speaker 10: there's a new coffee shop up there. What is it,
Speaker 10: Cameria Coffee.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I didn't think you could possibly have any
Speaker 2: more coffee places, but here we go.
Speaker 10: Have to admit Cincinnati we have a killer coffee chop scene,
Speaker 10: and we got another one right in your neck of
Speaker 10: the woods. And it's a Yemony coffee house. So I
Speaker 10: guess it's going for like it's rich flavors, traditional brewing, methods.
Speaker 10: You know what, hump breaks to have another cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: Good, just a coffee, just a good cup of black coffee.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 10: And I will say they make a really great good
Speaker 10: cup of coffee. They have awesome obviously lattes ChIL Their
Speaker 10: chi lat is really good. And they have a series
Speaker 10: of different pastries. They do this like baclava cheesecake, a
Speaker 10: Dubai cookie. Have you been hearing about how this Dubai
Speaker 10: chocolate is taking.
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing and it's expensive as hell?
Speaker 6: What is the deal with that?
Speaker 2: I guess it's really good.
Speaker 6: I guess it's really good.
Speaker 2: And they have a by the way, the buye cookiee
Speaker 2: chocolate It's chewy.
Speaker 6: Sweet and it's absolute perfection.
Speaker 10: And almond croissant, different types of breads that go back
Speaker 10: to the Amni culture. And I will say I'm a
Speaker 10: stickler of a coffee shop that has the right vibe.
Speaker 10: And this Camarera, they they pretty much nailed it.
Speaker 6: It's big, there's plenty of space.
Speaker 10: They have this big booth, a lot of outlets, which
Speaker 10: is really important if you want to work, and they
Speaker 10: have this little couch area, so maybe check that out
Speaker 10: if you're wanting to try and.
Speaker 2: If I can distinguish many coffee and one of the
Speaker 2: other coffee is it's just coffee to me. I mean
Speaker 2: unless there's like a pumpkin spice.
Speaker 6: You've had to have had a bad cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've had bad cups of coffee. I just
Speaker 2: like I'd like a dark roast kind of you know
Speaker 2: what strong coffee.
Speaker 6: You want to Here's the other thing.
Speaker 10: If you want to save a couple of bucks, don't sleep.
Speaker 10: There's a speedway in Westchester, the Westy Chesty, and they
Speaker 10: have one of those fancy smancy coffee machines that makes
Speaker 10: the lat taste. So most people who are spending seven
Speaker 10: bucks on a lot dance Starbucks. You can go to
Speaker 10: the shout out to the speedway.
Speaker 2: I will shout out, hell yeah, because now a lot
Speaker 2: of people where they. I mean, it's a machine of
Speaker 2: grinds right there for you. It's really good.
Speaker 6: I think, you know what, I'm going to put that
Speaker 6: to the top.
Speaker 10: You may have a fancy machine and you don't need
Speaker 10: glass for shout out to the Westchester speed All right,
Speaker 10: what else do we have here?
Speaker 2: We have these scaety or she's crabby about coffee. I
Speaker 2: remember that. That's I don't have my coffee this one.
Speaker 2: Oh there it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was on the run this morning.
Speaker 10: Anyway, the Society Comic expos in town, Superman Legacy, meet
Speaker 10: and greet. All Right, Am I a comic girly? Heck no,
Speaker 10: but I feel like you would be a comic guy.
Speaker 6: Why don't you talk?
Speaker 2: No, you just mentioned this. I'm surprised Jack Crumley is
Speaker 2: not kicking.
Speaker 6: The store or Ricky Chino. I feel like he's one
Speaker 6: of those Tom Key.
Speaker 2: I know he's more sports, but Jack Crumley's definitely our
Speaker 2: Jack Crumley definitely loves him.
Speaker 6: So yeah, to be honest, I put this on the list.
Speaker 10: And I really don't know a whole lot about the
Speaker 10: comic scene, but it is Friday is Sunday at the
Speaker 10: Sherfield Convention Center at Superman. I think they're really leaning
Speaker 10: into that theme. They have their normal celebrity like cud
Speaker 10: list lineup.
Speaker 6: That's just funny though, makes it even.
Speaker 10: Better because you know what people still will show up
Speaker 10: and and if they're those celebrities are accessible, which is nice,
Speaker 10: and you can gear autographs and this is where the
Speaker 10: case play really comes out. I'm always super I think
Speaker 10: this is pressed by yea by those comic people will
Speaker 10: spend an entire year to make a single outfit and
Speaker 10: it is intense and I applaud that and perfect time
Speaker 10: a year because then if you were to make a
Speaker 10: cosplay outfit, you can wear for Halloween.
Speaker 2: Right right? Perfect killed it. So yeah, scene, But I
Speaker 2: know people that do it, it's like it's yeah, is
Speaker 2: it any different than someone who put where's a Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow jersey? It's the same?
Speaker 6: Ye Did you ever collect comics?
Speaker 2: Never collected them? I mean SoC I was never really
Speaker 2: like a comics. I read them, but I wasn't like
Speaker 2: collecting into the whole storyline and the yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just a it's just a soap opera in print. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's a story so well and.
Speaker 6: Like animey anime sons in time. So I want to
Speaker 6: understand it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a hard time. But you know, there's
Speaker 2: that's the thing. It's a beauty the world. There's so
Speaker 2: much things it's just not my thing. Maybe anything that's
Speaker 2: not my fine, but I think that's kind of the
Speaker 2: beauty behind it. And I always of comic art, I
Speaker 2: think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 10: Well, speaking of art, came across a pretty cool concept
Speaker 10: called art Drops Cincinnati. Just learned about this yesterday and
Speaker 10: it's this new local art engagement project project. So long
Speaker 10: story short, this community is working with local artists around
Speaker 10: town and every week they collect a different piece of art.
Speaker 10: So it could be sculpture, it could be a painting,
Speaker 10: you name it, and they're dropping it somewhere randomly in
Speaker 10: the city, all within two seventy five and they give
Speaker 10: you clues enhanced on social media and if you find it,
Speaker 10: it's yours to keep. Oh cool, I'm like, this is
Speaker 10: actually a really cool qua. There are some really great
Speaker 10: artists in town that deserve to have.
Speaker 6: Number One. It highlights the artists, It allows you to
Speaker 6: kind of explore.
Speaker 10: Its a little bit of a treasure hunt and a
Speaker 10: lot of the times it's in whether maybe it's like
Speaker 10: in a cool urban spot or in a park, and
Speaker 10: it allows you to explore the city.
Speaker 6: But then you also get to keep the art.
Speaker 2: Works like a Pokemon go monet.
Speaker 6: Yeah in real life's fine and stuff actually get to
Speaker 6: keep it.
Speaker 2: How do you get in on this?
Speaker 6: So you go to art dash drops dot com. I
Speaker 6: signed up.
Speaker 10: Also just follow them on social media. On Instagram is
Speaker 10: the best way to go about it. And that's where
Speaker 10: those clues happen every single week. So they highlight what
Speaker 10: the art is going to be, They highlight the artist,
Speaker 10: and then they show the little glimpse of where it's placed.
Speaker 6: And then it's on YouTube.
Speaker 10: Maybe you know it, maybe you don't, okay, and then
Speaker 10: if you can find it, it's yours to keep.
Speaker 2: We have go go in here. But the abvis too
Speaker 2: is we've got uc homecoming which is gonna be huge
Speaker 2: and run Clifton. And then you've got Bengals game Day
Speaker 2: on Sunday with the Jets in toown. A great weekend
Speaker 2: to be downtown. Lots of stuff going on, so you know,
Speaker 2: if you're looking to do stuff before the football game,
Speaker 2: coffee after the games, get some coffee to get your
Speaker 2: art thing. We've got football all over the place this weekend.
Speaker 2: She's Ali Martin. It's a local loop this morning on
Speaker 2: seven hundred. WA should be back next Friday. I'm sure
Speaker 2: it'll be all Halloween related on Halloween, so I can't
Speaker 2: wait for that. All right, go get some coffee, I will,
Speaker 2: and RelA, I'm gonna go to Duncan get some cafee
Speaker 2: and relaxed. I like Dunk Duncan's fine. I did the
Speaker 2: midnight Dunk in Midnight Yeah yeah, that's the dark one
Speaker 2: dark so good, so good. Yeah. And the reason I
Speaker 2: do the Starbucks because the cureing the Starbucks are all over.
Speaker 2: They don't have the Duncan little pods and sailors of
Speaker 2: the Kroger, So I'm all about the value. Have a
Speaker 2: great weekend, Ali Martin at the Local Loop that's her
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