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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in hour two of Cincy three sixty

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Speaker 2: here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I am Austin Elmore. Happy

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Speaker 2: to be with you up until three o'clock. Moeger takes

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Speaker 2: over after that. Bengals game plan this evening as well.

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Speaker 2: From six to eight, Dan and Lapp will be joined

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Speaker 2: by Sam Hubbard, Bengals legend. In the first hour, I

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Speaker 2: missed the vibes of Sam Hubbard. Sam was good vibes

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Speaker 2: all the time. You know, great guy, great leader. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people love Sam Hubbard, the Cincinnati kid. We

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Speaker 2: all know that he was good vibes. He was good vibes.

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Speaker 2: I miss having Sam around. Hearing from Sam. Bengals could

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Speaker 2: probably use a little bit of those good vibes right

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Speaker 2: about now. I would think maybe, maybe not. I don't

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Speaker 2: know either way. Sam Hubbard later this afternoon with Dan

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Speaker 2: and Lapp. Speaking of Dan, how about Dan Pitcher, the

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Speaker 2: Bengals offensive coordinator. He was asked about Joe Flacco's performance

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Speaker 2: in Green Bay after a whirlwind of a week.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Think you look at the totality of it. He got

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Speaker 4: here on a Tuesday in an offense he's never played in.

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Speaker 4: Granted we do a lot. I mean, everybody runs the

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Speaker 4: same place to some extent, but with their own twist.

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Speaker 4: But new words, new people. Didn't know any of us,

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Speaker 5: Know, and we operated.

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Speaker 4: We went out there. You know, we talked about being

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Speaker 4: We I think we had to take one time out

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Speaker 4: other than that, there's not PRESNAT procedure issues. There weren't

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Speaker 4: penalty issues. He took care of the football. He made

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Speaker 4: some remarkable throws, particularly in the second half of that game.

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Speaker 4: I mean, to just walk in the door and do that. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: Pretty impressible.

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Speaker 2: Dan Pitcher talking about the new Bengals quarterback Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 2: I agree with him. Obviously, not easy to do what

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Speaker 2: Flacco did, and I do feel like all things considered,

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Speaker 2: second half feels like something you can build off of

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Speaker 2: and it's a good quick it's a good thing because

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Speaker 2: there's a quick turnaround for this Thursday. And I would

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Speaker 2: feel like, if you're the Bengals the way you played

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Speaker 2: the second half, specifically offensively in Green Bay, you're kind

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Speaker 2: of chomping at the bit to get back out there

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Speaker 2: even if your body's a little bit beat up, even

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Speaker 2: if you hate doing it on a short week, You're

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Speaker 2: kind of chomping at the bit to get back out

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Speaker 2: He was asked about Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 6: Listen, I mean, I think they've been Look how consistent

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Speaker 6: long has he been there? Now years or more? Uh,

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Speaker 6: they're always physical. I think they I think I think

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Speaker 6: they found out who they wanted to be as a

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Speaker 6: based off of that, and that's why they always have

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Speaker 7: Would catch his comments yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Not specifically I heard he was talking about it a

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Speaker 7: But what do you what do you make of the

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Speaker 6: I didn't see it. I didn't see I didn't get

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Speaker 6: I think he's probably just playing the game a little

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Speaker 3: He has to do so beat beating him a few times.

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Speaker 8: I mean there's been some you're eleven and eleven against us,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I played him last year. I didn't get to

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Speaker 3: But we we did. We we we we were able

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Speaker 6: I have so many great memories of playing these guys

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Speaker 5: It's the same style.

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Speaker 6: They have the same ideas you know, as they always have,

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Speaker 7: I know every game is lust when you want to

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Speaker 7: Given where they are and where you are.

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Speaker 6: It's tough to put that kind of pressure on yourself

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Speaker 6: And I think I think the more you can focus

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Speaker 6: and then the results.

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Speaker 3: Take care of themselves. The best way went back and

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Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing is just being able to

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Speaker 9: They'd already put in the game plan last week by

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Speaker 3: You feel like you're drinking from a fire hose.

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Speaker 6: It's just part of it. You have to be able

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Speaker 6: So the alternative doesn't look great. You know, you're sitting

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Speaker 3: So helped the.

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Speaker 5: Game reps with this group now for at least a

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Speaker 6: I think it's just it's just good to get in

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Speaker 3: So I think it was there's a lot of help

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Speaker 9: What is it like when Jamar comes to you and

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Speaker 9: says I understand the play called was this, but oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I know you think it like I don't.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he's out there freestyle and at least

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Speaker 10: Jamar spoke with a lot of confidence about what happened

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Speaker 3: Do you think that can carry over?

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Speaker 10: I know every game is different, but what you started

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Speaker 6: I think confidence is always important, and when guys feel

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Speaker 6: So it's hard to focus on all the other stuff

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Speaker 10: There's a lot that you just settling in to a

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a combination.

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Speaker 2: That's Bengals quarterback Joe Flacco talking about Pittsburgh about last

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Speaker 2: week getting some momentum in the second half, and also

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Speaker 2: talking about Jamar Chase. If you remember, we had Joe

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Speaker 2: underrated how smart Jamar Chase is his football IQ, his

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Speaker 2: and how helpful that can be to a Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 11: you can help get lined up and such. What gives you,

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Speaker 11: you know, the confidence you know, the IQ and all

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Speaker 12: U just know the offense. That's the biggest thing on

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Speaker 11: Do you feel like, especially with you know, with the

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Speaker 10: Based on how well you know the offense, not that

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Speaker 10: Do you know it that well?

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Speaker 5: Let me, I mean, I know it, Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I could, I can. I don't want to play quarterback.

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Speaker 12: Let me say that I don't want to play I

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Speaker 5: Play a quarterback now.

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Speaker 10: I mean, how much of a weapon is that for

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Speaker 3: Just in case.

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Speaker 12: You know, Joe Mike color playing backwards are wrong, maybe

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Speaker 5: You know what is Jalen brought to their name?

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Speaker 12: Jalen Ranching versatile, very versatile, your safety corner, Nicol, You

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Speaker 5: I'm to say like sixty five.

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Speaker 5: Definitely developed over time. I wanna say.

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Speaker 5: Can can we throw this?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 5: And over time he started to you know, let it happen.

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Speaker 9: Difference do you think that makes, Like having a receiver

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Speaker 12: I mean he believes in what I see, you know,

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Speaker 5: You know, I gotta come back there.

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Speaker 12: Sometimes I come back to the sideline just look at

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Speaker 2: To Jamar, it was it was really more pointed towards

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Speaker 3: But did you hear what Mike.

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Speaker 9: Tomlin said about you guys acquiring Joe in season?

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Speaker 3: And yes, do you care?

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Speaker 5: Uh what he said?

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Speaker 5: Really, I mean it's not negative or out of that man.

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Speaker 3: At end of the day, what did you think when

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Speaker 5: I kept scrolling where you where you shot?

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Speaker 7: When you found out at the banker was completely trained

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Speaker 12: Uh yeah, I was a little I was a little

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Speaker 5: I don't know what T you messing with me saying?

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Speaker 5: So I ain't know if it was true. He's pleasure. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: T messing with me all the time. What's the best

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Speaker 5: joke we did? I can't say that out loud.

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Speaker 5: Thought, yeah, you got me.

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Speaker 5: How would you describe as a player? Very veteran like.

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Speaker 12: You can tell you, you can tell you watch a lot

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Speaker 12: good overall defender. You know, he's very versatile, does everything.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff there from Bengals wide receiver Jamar Chase, most

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Speaker 2: notably just at the football IQ and the impact that

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Speaker 2: good about Zach Taylor and about the culture that he's established.

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Speaker 2: First of all, we'll talk a little bit later on

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Speaker 2: talk to Zach, I'll talk to Zach, and Zach listens

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Speaker 2: agree and sometimes we don't. Sometimes it happens and sometimes

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Speaker 2: it don't. Grown men having a conversation. One of the

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Speaker 2: most important things in life is communicating. Can you adequately

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Speaker 2: communicate with others? Can you have difficult conversations, especially when

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Speaker 2: you're working together towards a common goal. I think when

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Speaker 2: this stretch, despite the fact that they haven't necessarily performed well,

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Speaker 2: the offense is still being built around Jamar Chase and

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Speaker 2: it's hey, give him the football. He gives us our

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Speaker 2: best chance. It's not like he's building game plans around

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Speaker 2: Noah Fant and Andre Josivash now are Josevash maybe doesn't

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Speaker 2: it's not like he's continually doing that. It's at least

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Speaker 2: let's build the offense around Jamar Chase. Let's get him

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Speaker 2: involved constantly. Let's use t when Jamar is being doubled

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Speaker 2: and they're throwing stuff at him and so on and

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Speaker 2: so forth. I think that's a good thing. I think

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Speaker 2: that's a positive talkback's coming up next, but first, got

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Speaker 2: time for another phone call. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen point thirty. Let's go to DJ in Union. What's up, DJ?

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Speaker 15: Hey, Atti doing a great job, Bud Hey, I'm want

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Speaker 15: to see if I can communicate from what you said

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Speaker 15: my thoughts. So my feeling, my feeling last coming out

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Speaker 15: So with Joe having an out unbelievable season, they still

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Speaker 15: they needed to fix the offensive line. They didn't need

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Speaker 15: to sign Higgins, they did need to sign the sickie

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Speaker 15: and set the team up such that when Joe's not there,

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Speaker 15: the team can be competitive and even contend for playoff spot.

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Speaker 15: But when he is there, they're championship level. And you

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Speaker 15: can see how much, and you've talked about this, how

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Speaker 15: I just feel like, you know, hopefully this lesson teaches

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Speaker 15: the last time Joe's hurt.

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Speaker 5: I hope it is.

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Speaker 15: But when Joe's not there, we can't just fold up

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Speaker 15: the tent and go away. Now, when Joe is here,

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Speaker 15: I think he can raise the level of the skilled players.

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Speaker 15: And I would say Chase is otherworldly, there's no question,

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Speaker 15: So hopefully they learn a lesson coming out of the

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Speaker 2: So basically your big thing was T Higgins, Mike GASICKI

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Speaker 2: those signings hindered them from being able to build the

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Speaker 15: I think I think that had some impact. I think

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Speaker 15: they could have used those dollars. My only issue is

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Speaker 15: they sign creations and when they draft. But theoretically, yes,

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Speaker 15: I didn't think they needed more skilled players. Those skilled players,

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Speaker 15: I think other guys can fill the second receiver role

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Speaker 15: fin I know Joe wanted him, but that wasn't what

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Speaker 15: was best for Joe and best for the team, all right.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, DJ, thank you for the phone call. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it, all right, but thanks?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of Bengals fans would tell you

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Speaker 2: and Duke Tobin. Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin drafted Jermaine Burton.

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Speaker 2: What's he doing? Terrible? Andre Jostavas loved the guy, fan

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Speaker 2: favorite awesome dude, had some big drops last week, hasn't

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Speaker 2: really ascended the way we all expected him to. That's

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Speaker 2: another late round pick. Charlie Jones, another likable dude, versatile

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Speaker 2: They took a flyer on off of waivers from Washington.

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Speaker 2: He seems to be developing. Well, that's cool. But if

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Speaker 2: moving forward for this team to build it adequately. I

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Speaker 2: wish the whole Trey Hendrickson thing wouldn't have been drawn out,

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Speaker 2: Trey's worth it this year after that, probably not. And

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Speaker 2: I agree with the way the Bengals handled things, But

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Speaker 2: The philosophy in player acquisition and development needs to be improved.

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Speaker 2: I almost I actually kind of trust them with free agents.

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Speaker 2: We've seen them hit on free agents in the past,

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Speaker 2: at least over the last few years, more than they've missed.

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Speaker 2: There's been some misses, no doubt, but there's also been

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Speaker 2: a lot of hits. And you're about to enter this

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Speaker 2: And if this thing unravels, you should be trading Trey

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Speaker 2: not ready for the trade t Higgins thing. I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's a realistic possibility, but you should be doing

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Speaker 2: that to acquire as many picks as you can. You

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Speaker 2: should be open to trading back and acquiring more picks,

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Speaker 2: and you should supplement those picks with free agent acquisitions.

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Speaker 2: But he's right our color DJ there. The team should

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Speaker 2: be able to, at the bare minimum operate in the

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Speaker 2: absence of Joe Burrow to keep themselves competitive. And when

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Speaker 2: Joe is on the field, they are elite championship contenders.

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Speaker 2: And right now it's without Joe, they're just trying to

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Speaker 2: stay above water. They're just there trying to survive. And

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Speaker 2: with Joe they're pretty good, but maybe not the elite

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Speaker 3: So cam Heywards Collins, tomorrown ip.

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Speaker 3: I thought it pretty funny. I think some call the

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Speaker 3: What about that Ken from the lext shout out to you.

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Speaker 15: I heard you on the Mowager Show yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Take care of everybody and whoday? What's going on? Ken's

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Speaker 2: cheating on me? Ken's over there talking to mo Now?

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Speaker 2: Uh No, that's funny though. Yeah, I've heard it called

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Speaker 2: the Uncle Bowl, the Unction, the Icy Hot Bowl. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they won't talk about it at all.

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Speaker 15: This week's nursery rhyme. If you're fuck awing, you know

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Speaker 15: it beats the Steelers. Hey, if you're fuck awing, you

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Speaker 15: know it, beat the Steelers. If you're fucking you know it,

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Speaker 15: jam over and T will surely catch it.

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Speaker 17: If you're fuck awing, you.

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Speaker 19: Know it, beat the Steelers.

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Speaker 15: Do day rule the Jungle beat the Steelers?

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Speaker 2: Please, nicely done?

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Speaker 20: Thank you, Hey, Austin and Steve down here in Parkland, Florida.

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Speaker 20: What do I want to make a quick observation about

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Speaker 20: the Green Bay game and about our offensive line, probably

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Speaker 20: the coaching and the effort.

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Speaker 15: But I noticed during.

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Speaker 20: The Green Bay game day, every time the running back

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Speaker 20: they're running back got in a scrum pushing for an

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Speaker 20: extra two to three yards or whatever extra yard, their

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Speaker 20: offensive line jumped in behind him and pushed them, and

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Speaker 20: sometimes they got an extra five to six yards. I

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Speaker 20: only saw that happen once with one player from the

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Speaker 20: Bengals offensive line to push them forward.

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Speaker 2: Late. Yeah, it's happened a few times. It doesn't happen

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Speaker 2: as much as it should. But again, the Bengals offensive

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Speaker 2: line is soft and slow. We know that.

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Speaker 4: It's not the front offices.

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Speaker 5: Zach Taylor is Joe Burrow trying to.

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Speaker 6: Be a m oh Here we go the Bengals to

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Speaker 6: sign t Higgins and it's mar Chase and Trey Anderson

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Speaker 6: and all these big giant contracts.

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Speaker 3: Now they don't have the.

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Speaker 21: Luxury of going out and signing the.

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Speaker 4: Other people that they need to make that defense better.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, players were good, but they just didn't get

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Speaker 9: that other key piece of free agency.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is where you're wrong. First and foremost, the

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Speaker 2: Bengals next year have sixty four million dollars in cap space.

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Speaker 2: Sixty four million. That's that's plenty. That's a lot. The

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Speaker 2: Bengals screwed up by not getting those deals done sooner

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Speaker 2: and so they ended up having to pay more or

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Speaker 2: else they'd probably have eighty million dollars in cap space.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Burrow shouldn't have to push them to want

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Speaker 2: to sign their best players and keep them around. That's

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Speaker 2: a big issue. It's not Joe's fault.

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Speaker 22: Morny naughty Steve Washington state native K twenty one years Cincinnati,

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Speaker 22: both reads championships in the seventies, already in Marrimore and ninety.

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Speaker 22: Mom flies me home. I get to go to a

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Speaker 22: couple of games against Pittsburgh, you know, Bengals, Reds, Bearcats

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Speaker 22: twenty years, San Diego twenty Gwin all of his years,

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Speaker 22: twenty years up here in Seattle. Navy moved us up here.

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Speaker 22: Hey go Mariners, Reds number one, Mariner's number two, baby

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Speaker 22: moose is loose.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Steve, quick follow up more l of

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Speaker 2: the story.

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Speaker 22: Only my team's in Cincinnati have moved my blood pressure.

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Speaker 22: I always cheer for the Padres, but that's kind of

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Speaker 22: wayne because I've been up here. We've been up here

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Speaker 22: twenty one years now. Navy retired us in Washington State,

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Speaker 22: so I've been trying to pick up the Mariners for

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Speaker 22: a year. It's never stuck. I always wait until the

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Speaker 22: Reds are dead. Unfortunately, go down the spring train a lot.

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Speaker 22: But hey, Mariner's got a good club. Look for to

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Speaker 22: car my brother later.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you.

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Speaker 15: Man.

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Speaker 23: This immobile quarterback stuff's getting kind of old.

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Speaker 8: Dude.

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Speaker 23: I'm forty years old myself. I can get out there

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Speaker 23: and run a little bit. Granted I've torn both handstrings.

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Speaker 23: I got five herniated disc in my back and shattered

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Speaker 23: and elbow once. But dude, Flack, I can run. He's

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Speaker 23: only forty. Man, he's just chasing around them kids at

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Speaker 23: home and stuff. I mean, Granny's got a big old

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Speaker 23: linebacker breeding down his neck. But dude, I got a

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Speaker 23: credit card debt bringing down my back.

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Speaker 19: Bro.

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Speaker 23: I'd rather have big ol'klalil mack than a twenty nine

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Speaker 23: percent interest rate. Dude, he's got it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sorry about your credit card debt.

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Speaker 24: Hey, Austin, Josh and Hebron a non sports related question,

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Speaker 24: but I'm pretty ignorant on how this whole thing works.

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Speaker 5: And I was just really curious, do.

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Speaker 24: You have an idea about how many people are listening

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Speaker 24: to you while you're on? You know, you hear about

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Speaker 24: Netflix subscribers and box office numbers and views of a

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Speaker 24: video and stuff like that, and I was just curious

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Speaker 24: if you had an idea about how many people are

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Speaker 24: listening to you while you're on.

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Speaker 2: No, I have no idea. There might be those metrics somewhere,

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Speaker 2: but I'd never get to see you.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Yati, I wasn't able to talk on talkbacks last week,

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Speaker 8: but I just wanted to First of all, I'm very

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Speaker 8: sad that Tony had to go, But I'm not necessarily

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Speaker 8: comparing you to Marty and Joe, But that times kind

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Speaker 8: of like, hell, you and Tony were, you know, you

583
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Speaker 8: complimented one another, like he was the player, the funny,

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Speaker 8: humorous guy, and you were You're the cerebral, calm guy.

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Speaker 8: You were a pair, a team, and uh, I wish

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Speaker 8: you both the best.

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 21: Austin Ray from Clease, what U D question? Do you

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Speaker 21: think the issue is really all related back to who

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Speaker 21: Duke Tobin is giving the coaches to work with or

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Speaker 21: do you think maybe our coaches just starting up the

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Speaker 21: snuffer as good as other coaches in the league. I'm

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Speaker 21: just kind of curious as to which one it is.

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Speaker 21: If our coaches are that good, shouldn't they be able

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Speaker 21: to work with what they've got unless what they've got

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Speaker 21: to work with is really bad.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a boring answer, Ray, but the truth

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Speaker 2: is probably somewhere in the middle. The coaches are probably

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Speaker 2: not elite coaches, the talent is probably not elite talent,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes when you mix the two you get suboptimal

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Speaker 2: mediocre results. I think the Bengals have a couple of

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Speaker 2: really good coaches. I think that Justin Rascotti and Dan

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Speaker 2: Pitcher are really good coaches. I think Troy Walters is

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Speaker 2: an excellent coach. I don't know about Jerry Montgomery. I

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Speaker 2: don't know about Scott Peters. I'm not a big fan

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Speaker 2: of Charles Burke's or Darren Simmons, guys that I'm not

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Speaker 2: necessarily believers in. And on top of that, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's been some talent, there's been some athleticism. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel like they've maximized those. Then there's been development. There's

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Speaker 2: been guys like Yoshivas, There's been guys like Mitchell Tinsley. There's,

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Speaker 2: you know, been some young players that have come up

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Speaker 2: and been productive. I just it's inconsistent, to say the least.

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Speaker 17: It's the lord. I gotta start bench cut that's uber

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Speaker 17: competitive on the college today and the venue that used

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Speaker 17: to be known as Paul Brown Stadium.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man don't care.

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Speaker 19: From the UC Health Traffic Center where Mamma Grams save lives,

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Speaker 19: someone needs to save the offense from the booth calling

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Speaker 19: the plays of the Bengals. Expect Major Becket's heading into

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Speaker 19: the end zone. As the high powered offense goes twenty

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Speaker 19: miles per hour and constantly stalls out driving in the

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Speaker 19: fast lane, Expect long device and seek alternate routes to

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Speaker 19: Santa Clara. I'm at Ezelik with traffic.

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Speaker 2: Alternate routes to Santa Clara. Thank you, Eddie.

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Speaker 19: If you head at the pay Court Stadium tomorrow night,

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Speaker 19: expect stormy conditions from the fans if the offense can't

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Speaker 19: get going. Booth were rained down from the crowd and

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Speaker 19: Zach Taylor will receive a chili reception heading into the

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Speaker 19: locker room from Tompak. First warning whether I'm k J Jacob,

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Speaker 19: Thanks kJ.

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Speaker 17: Hey, awesome Marcut from the grove.

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Speaker 2: What up, Marcus?

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Speaker 13: I heard a rumbling that tomorrow nice game might start

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Speaker 13: at six point thirty because of the old folks home

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Speaker 13: oh curfew that yeah, Blacko and Roger d d back

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Speaker 13: at a certain time.

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Speaker 19: Not really sure if that's legit or not.

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Speaker 13: But on a random note, college football, kind of interesting

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Speaker 13: reports are circulating that Penn State is going to strongly

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Speaker 13: pursue Freeman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting considering like was it James Franklin's

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Speaker 2: like only big win was against Notre Dame is that right? Uh,

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Speaker 2: Penn State is not a better job than Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Penn State is not that good of a job altogether.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I hope that they just kind of

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Speaker 2: sneak back into futility forever. Yeah, I wonder when the

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Speaker 2: last time aired. Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco both stayed

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Speaker 2: up to watch the entirety of a primetime game.

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Speaker 18: Hey, Austin Paul from Cleaves here eight great analogy earlier

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Speaker 18: about the Bengals in their free agents spot on.

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Speaker 3: You nailed it.

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Speaker 18: My biggest thing is is their scouting department. I mean, you,

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Speaker 18: I understand you want to try to develop within, but

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Speaker 18: the problem is you don't have enough scouts out there

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Speaker 18: or enough people in that department that understand what's going on.

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Speaker 18: They're either not watching enough game tape or they're not

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Speaker 18: seeing the backstory of these guys, and that's what's really

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Speaker 18: hindering our scouting department.

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Speaker 2: Yep, We've had the Freezer Bowl. Now we have the

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Speaker 2: Geezer Bowl. Whoday, the Geezer Bowl. I like that one

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Speaker 2: a lot. That's really good, Thank you, Nick.

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Speaker 14: You know how fans will donate like a body part

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Speaker 14: er limb to their favorite athlete if they hurt honestly figuratively,

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Speaker 14: like Joe Burrow, I donate a tow him. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 14: this is Jason from the West Side, west Side Walker.

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Speaker 14: I would donate my name as an alias to Tony

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Speaker 14: if he ever needs to call in Walker from the

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Speaker 14: west Side.

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Speaker 5: You have my permission.

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Speaker 2: Tone. I think it would be pretty easy to figure

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Speaker 2: out his voice. But yeah, I mean, I think back

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Speaker 2: to this always.

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Speaker 23: I asked myself, would you give your life for Joe

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Speaker 23: Burrow because he gave his life for you?

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Speaker 2: Sincey three sixty legend Richard the Eddie Zellick guy, Is

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Speaker 2: that right, Eddie Zelick? Yeah, stan Zelick, Mary Zelick. He's

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Speaker 2: the funniest guy on here right now. No, Eddie Zellick

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Speaker 2: is fantastic. He's in very talented, both the real one

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Speaker 2: and the talkback one. And I appreciate the talkback. Talkback's

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Cincy three sixty or by Cincy

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Speaker 2: our number two. We'll take a break, we'll come back.

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Speaker 2: We got some football in the nattie to get to.

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Speaker 6: Then.

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Speaker 2: Twenty minutes from right now, Jeff Carr from the Locked

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Speaker 2: On Reds and Locked On Bearcats podcast is gonna join

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Speaker 2: us talk a little bit about the Red Legs in

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Speaker 2: our number three as well. This is since E three

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Speaker 2: to sixty Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 25: Honkeys backs for since this is Football in the NATI,

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Speaker 25: brought to you by Bud Light on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 25: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, it is our two here on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty on Austin Elmore. Let's do a little college football.

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Speaker 2: We've talked extensively about the Bengals. I mentioned that we're

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Speaker 2: going to talk to Jeff Carr about the Bearcats. If

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Speaker 2: you're wondering about the line for UC on Saturday night,

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Speaker 2: they are at Oklahoma State. It is an eight pm

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Speaker 2: kickoff for the number twenty four ranked Bearcats, who are

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Speaker 2: five and one up against the one in five Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: State Cowboys. Twenty one and a half is the line.

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati favored by three three and a half touchdowns over

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Speaker 2: I guess three point five, you get it, twenty one

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Speaker 2: and a half over Oklahoma State for that game. Weather

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Speaker 2: looks like it's gonna be good seventy two degrees in

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Speaker 2: cloudy Tickets available for fifty seven dollars. If you want

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Speaker 2: to go out to Oklahoma State and watch the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: play and should be a walk into park for the Bearcats,

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Speaker 2: you can't get You can't get to the top twenty

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Speaker 2: five and then lay an egg on the road against

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Speaker 2: Oklahoma State. Other top twenty five matchups this weekend. Louisville

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Speaker 2: is at number two Miami. That's a Friday night game

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Speaker 2: at seven pm. Nebraska is at Minnesota. That's also a

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Speaker 2: Friday night game. Number one Ohio State is at Luke

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Speaker 2: Fickel in the Wisconsin Badgers. Ohio State favored by twenty

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Speaker 2: five and a half. What about Brian Kelly and LSU.

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Speaker 2: They are at Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt is favored number ten,

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Speaker 2: LSU number seventeen Vandy. Vandy favored by two and a

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Speaker 2: half points. Indiana number three team in the country. They

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Speaker 2: host Michigan State. Somehow, Indiana is only twenty seven and

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Speaker 2: a half point favorites. You should probably take that to

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Speaker 2: thirty seven and a half. Michigan State stinks. How about

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Speaker 2: another top ten matchup, Number five Ole miss at number

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Speaker 2: nine Georgia and the Dogs are seven and a half

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Speaker 2: point favorites over Lane Kiffen in that game. Number eight

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Speaker 2: Oregon is at Rutgers. Number twenty one Texas comes to

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Speaker 2: Kentucky to take on the Wildcats. Texas twelve and a

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Speaker 2: half point favorites in that one, good old good one

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Speaker 2: Tennessee number eleven in the country at number six Alabama

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Speaker 2: the Crimson Tide seven and a half point favorites in

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Speaker 2: that one classic rivalry game here between USC and Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: The Trojans are the twentieth ranked team in the country

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Speaker 2: up against number thirteen Notre Dame seven thirty pm kickoff

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Speaker 2: Saturday from South Bend. Notre Dame nine and a half

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Speaker 2: point favorites in that one. And then big big twelve

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Speaker 2: action on Saturday night, same time as Cincinnati and Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 2: It'll be number twenty three Utah at number fifteen BYU

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Speaker 2: Right now, the Utes are three and a half point

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Speaker 2: favorites on the road. So a great slate of college

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Speaker 2: football action coming to you this weekend. And it's good

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Speaker 2: to see the little number twenty four right next to

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats again. It's good to see that Bearcats are

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Speaker 2: at Oklahoma State this week. They come back home to

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Speaker 2: Nippert Stadium for homecoming on the twenty fifth of October.

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Speaker 2: Kickoff in that game is at four pm at home

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Speaker 2: against Baylor. Than they are right back out to Utah

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Speaker 2: home against Arizona home against BYU, and finished the season

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Speaker 2: at TCU to finish things off, Bearcats five and one

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Speaker 2: and in first place, tied for first place in the

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Speaker 2: Big Twelve. Take a break, we'll come back. This has

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Speaker 2: been foot ball in the NATTI right here on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 26: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 26: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati bengalsk.

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Speaker 1: WYSE Cincinnati He sixty continues on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've talked a lot about football, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna switch the conversation to a little bit of Reds,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of Bearcats. When we talked to Jeff

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Speaker 2: Carr in about ten minutes, but I saw something that's

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Speaker 2: kind of been bothering me about the Brewers and the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: The Brewer manager Pat Murphy, who has beloved in Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: and really beloved throughout baseball as one of these guys

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Speaker 2: that you know. It's kind of a no nonsense, great guy,

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Speaker 2: great teammate, great leader of men type of dude. And

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Speaker 2: he kept kind of making the the comparison of the

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Speaker 2: Brewers against the Dodgers, to David versus Goliath. Nobody believes

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Speaker 2: in us, they're counting us out, blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 2: to I think that's so tone deaf to a lot

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Speaker 2: of people outside Milwaukee. Number One, nobody cares about the Brewers.

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Speaker 2: If you're not in Milwaukee, we might have a little

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Speaker 2: bit more interest because we're used to them and we

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Speaker 2: see them all the time. But also, you won ninety

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Speaker 2: seven games, you have home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: You have a former MVP in Christian Yelich. You've got

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Speaker 2: one of the base one of baseball's top prospects in

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Speaker 2: Jackson s Curio. Like, you've got legit dudes. You went

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Speaker 2: out and spent money in free agency and made trades

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Speaker 2: and have some good like you have one of the

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Speaker 2: Jacob Miseeroski who starred in the All Star Game after

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Speaker 2: five starts appearances in the big leagues. And you want

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Speaker 2: to talk about the whole David versus Goliath thing, like,

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Speaker 2: there's no way. Pat Murphy goes into his clubhouse full

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Speaker 2: of dudes that just won ninety seven games and says,

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Speaker 2: nobody believes in us, and it's we're David and that's

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Speaker 2: Goliath and we gotta beat them. Blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: There's no way. That's the mentality of the actual clubhouse. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you're a fan of the Brewers, that's probably how

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Speaker 2: you feel. You probably feel like, oh, these dudes are

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Speaker 2: spending a billion dollars on players, nobody does believe in us,

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Speaker 2: and we're twenty second in the big league's in payroll, Like,

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Speaker 2: there's no chance we're gonna be able to compete with

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Speaker 2: these guys. Oh, first of all, if my team won

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Speaker 2: ninety seven games, and I haven't really gotten to experience this,

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Speaker 2: but if my team won ninety seven games, I would

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Speaker 2: like their odds against anybody, doesn't matter if it's Shoheo

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Speaker 2: Tani or Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds or Sammy Sosa

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Speaker 2: or Rafael Paul Meyrow or any other random player from

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Speaker 2: the early nineties I can nineties and two thousand thousands

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Speaker 2: that I can name. I think, yes, if you're a

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Speaker 2: Brewers fan, you probably feel that way. It is David

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Speaker 2: versus Goliath. And I also think that's a cheap trope

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Speaker 2: to just take a shot at the Dodgers because they

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Speaker 2: spend a lot of money. The Dodgers are in a

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Speaker 2: massive market where they generate massive money, and they play

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Speaker 2: in a league where nobody does anything to balance it

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Speaker 2: whatsoever outside of the luxury tax. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: the Brewers benefit from the luxury tax because everybody else

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Speaker 2: gets that money. I just think that's silly, the whole

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Speaker 2: David versus Goliath thing. And then you look at what's

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Speaker 2: happened over the first two games. Maybe he's right on

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Speaker 2: with the Brewers down two games to nothing, get ready

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Speaker 2: to go to LA for Game three. And I don't know,

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Speaker 2: that just kind of bothered me a little bit because

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Speaker 2: I know that's not the message to your clubhouse. I

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Speaker 2: know if I was a player, I wouldn't be feeling

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Speaker 2: that way outside of maybe the fans feeling that way.

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Speaker 2: That's about it, and more than anything, I think it's

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Speaker 2: just a chance to take a shot at the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Payrolls don't mean that much anymore, right, Like we saw

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Speaker 2: what the Mets did. We saw what the Yankees did,

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Speaker 2: We saw what the Phillies did. I mean, yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Mariners have spent money, but they've also created a pitching

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Speaker 2: lab and got a great, all time great season, the

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Speaker 2: best ever by a catcher from Cal Rawley. They were

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Speaker 2: ultra aggressive at the trade deadline. They held off their

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Speaker 2: division rivals Toronto. They spent a lot of money, for sure,

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Speaker 2: and signed Vladdie to a long term contract. But you know,

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Speaker 2: still there's a lot of really good teams that aren't

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Speaker 2: paying billions of dollars like the Dodgers. And the Dodgers,

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Speaker 2: despite the payroll that they had, still struggled at times

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Speaker 2: this year, struggled to figure out pitching and their dead

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Dodgers were down so bad at one

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Speaker 2: point that they traded for Alexis d As. Think about that.

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Speaker 2: You know how much of a struggle that's got to be.

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Speaker 2: If you're trading for Alexis Daz. That's not fun for anybody,

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Speaker 2: by the way, some Reds notes. Earlier today, it was

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Speaker 2: announced Spencer Steer is a finalist for the National League

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Speaker 2: Gold Glove at first base and key Brian hayes Hey

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Speaker 2: finalists for the National League Gold Glove at third base.

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Speaker 2: I think Hayes is the favorite to win without a doubt.

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00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: I believe Matt Olsen is the favorite to win in

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Speaker 2: the first base gold Glove. To my knowledge, no other

844
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: Reds were nominated for any other awards any other baseball

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Speaker 2: news outside of the fact that the Dodgers are up

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Speaker 2: to nothing. Alex Bregman he opted out of his contract

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Speaker 2: with the Boston Red Sox. I think the belief is

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Speaker 2: that he is going to re sign, just not under

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Speaker 2: that current deal. So I think most people believe Bregman

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Speaker 2: will return to the Boston Red Sox and Game three

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Speaker 2: of the ALCS, with the Mariners up two games to

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Speaker 2: nothing over the Blue Jays, is tonight. First pitch is

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Speaker 2: at eighth eight right now. Seattle favored minus one thirty.

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Speaker 2: In that game, It's gonna be George Kirby pitching for

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Speaker 2: Seattle up against Shane Bieber pitching for Toronto. In the postseason,

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Speaker 2: Kirby has a two point seven to oh earned run

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Speaker 2: average in ten innings. He's allowed nine hits and struck

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Speaker 2: out fourteen. Meanwhile, Shane Bieber not so good, a six

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Speaker 2: point seven to five ERA and two and two thirds innings.

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Speaker 2: He's allowed five hits, struck out two, and walked one

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Speaker 2: in those limited postseason innings. All right, that does it

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Speaker 2: for Hour number two, brought to you by our friends

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Speaker 2: in Cincy Shirts. We'll start Hour number three with a

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Speaker 2: conversation about the old Red Legs with Jeff Carr. We'll

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Speaker 2: also talk to him about his new Bearcats Project podcast

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Speaker 2: that he's working on. That's all. Next, this is Sincy

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Speaker 2: three sixty on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen

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