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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. You can follow me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Mark Madden. Next some stunning news just

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Speaker 1: moments ago. The Post Gazette, who I used to work for,

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Speaker 1: will cease operations in early May. No more Post Gazette.

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Speaker 1: The Tribune Review, who I do work for currently now

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Speaker 1: the only game in town. I could go into why

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Speaker 1: this happened, because I'm pretty sure I know. Out of

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Speaker 1: But there's a reason it happened, and one which I

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Speaker 1: saw coming. But today is not the time. Now is

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Speaker 1: the time to talk to Tommy Radio tom who has

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Speaker 1: a superior resume, John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the resume as a whole, would you have

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Speaker 2: to give it to Mike Tomlin just forgetting to that

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Speaker 2: second Super Bowl where Harbaugh has failed to do that.

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Speaker 2: But I want to look at it more so from

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Speaker 2: like just the previous you know, six seven years, where

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh's resume is far superior in that swath than Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin's is. Harbaugh has won playoff games. Harbaugh was in

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Speaker 2: an AFC Championship game just a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh just beat Mike Tomlin in a playoff game just

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Speaker 2: last year. So when you look at it from like

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Speaker 2: just that swath, it's hard Sunday night. He didn't know,

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Speaker 2: he didn't that was a fake playoff game. Nonetheless, so

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Speaker 2: you know, looking at it from that perspective, from this

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Speaker 2: eight year drought from the Steelers of no playoff wins,

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh's much better than coach Tomlin overall, though I guess

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Speaker 2: you just give the nod to Tomlin forgetting to the

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Speaker 2: second Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tomlin has the additional Super Bowl appearance, but that

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Speaker 1: was a long time on time ago. Harbus thirteen and

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Speaker 1: eleven in playoff games and has won three playoff games

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Speaker 1: since Tomlin last one to one e zactly.

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Speaker 3: And here's the interesting stat. Harbaugh's won eight road playoff games.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, something that should be absolutely celebrated and championed.

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Speaker 2: Is a great feat to do that on the road

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Speaker 2: so many times. And I'll give you one more thing

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Speaker 2: that Harbu's done, not once, Mark, but twice that coach

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Speaker 2: t has never done. He has identified or his staff

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Speaker 2: has in a draft that he has headed up two

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Speaker 2: franchise quarterbacks his first year in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 2: they picked Joe Flacco in the first round, won a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Has not won a super Bowl with Lamar,

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Speaker 2: but they picked Lamar in the very last pick of

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Speaker 2: the first round. Whatever year. That was a two time MVP.

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Speaker 2: He has identified and drafted quarterbacks, whereas coach Dunsky drafted

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Speaker 2: can you pickt yep? Yeah, and set the franchise back

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Speaker 2: at least five years. It's looking out like it might

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Speaker 2: be more like ten. But talking to quarterbacks, then Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson get harbought fired? Yes, I think I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it was his cut and dry as

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Speaker 2: he stormed into the owner's office and is like it's

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Speaker 2: got to be him, Like he's got to go.

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Speaker 3: Either that of the owner just you know, divined Lamar's will.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: No. I think Lamar, or more likely his age, would

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Speaker 1: have to approach directly because Lamar's not too bright, not

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Speaker 1: do well spoken. I just don't picture him in the

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Speaker 1: scenario you described.

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Speaker 2: Well, his agents, Mom, let's not forget that.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get my boy a new coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, it seemed reading between the lines that Lamar

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Speaker 1: got Hardbaugh fired, and Lamar can do that. No player

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Speaker 1: currently now in Pittsburgh has that power, but Lamar in

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Speaker 2: It without question. And do you think a quarterback should

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Speaker 2: have that kind of power. I guess that's a completely

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Speaker 2: different came I don't think any player in any sports

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Speaker 1: I think coaches coach players play. I think Lamar needs

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Speaker 1: to look into mirror. Although he's so ugly, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: let me say this.

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Speaker 2: I think there is certainly a threshold you can pass

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Speaker 2: as a player where I would maybe yield to you

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Speaker 2: least one ring on your finger to cross that threshold

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Speaker 2: or even approach that right. And Lamar hasn't even played

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Speaker 2: in a super Bowl yet.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not and Lamar ain't gonna win no Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Lamar does have the pinpoint passing and

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Speaker 2: You know, people are obviously gonna say, oh, the Ravens

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Speaker 2: for any of these candidates. Don't you think you could

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Speaker 2: If you were one of these candidates.

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Speaker 1: Well, the coaches like like a Stefanski, I think he's

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Speaker 1: But but you know, even if you do look at

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Speaker 3: It'd be different.

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Speaker 1: Uh Now now that I want to stick with the

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh and Lamar thing, though, Tom, did Harbaugh waste Lamar?

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Speaker 3: Or did Lamar let Harbaugh down? Man?

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. Is it really cut and dry

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Speaker 2: like that, like one or one or the other? I

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Speaker 2: feel like they both were Lamar letting him.

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Speaker 1: Lamar's more, Harbaugh won a super Bowl without Lamar. Lamar

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, at some point, when you're that

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Speaker 2: good of a player, like it's on you right, Like

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Speaker 2: what more could the coach do to set you up

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Speaker 2: for success? I know Harbaugh has made some boneheaded in

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Speaker 2: game decisions, much like coach Tomlin has throughout the tenure

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Speaker 2: that he's had Lamar Jackson. But if I had to

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Speaker 2: choose one or the other to your question, then you

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Speaker 2: have to put it on the player. I would almost

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the time put it on a

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Speaker 1: In this case, like I said, the comparison is that

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh won with Flacco, right and Lamar has it yet won.

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Speaker 1: I do feel like Harbaugh and tom One are both outdated,

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Speaker 1: and that gave tom Win not an edge against Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: per se. But it's like this Monday night Pittsburgh against Houston,

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Speaker 1: uh Tom and against Demiko Ryans. Tomlin has a shot

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Speaker 1: in a one score game in a rock fight. Harball

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, they played down to kind of coach Tomlin's level.

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Speaker 2: Lamar down, that's where he let him down, right, Like

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Speaker 2: you didn't go all spaceship when it came to the offense,

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Speaker 2: in five minutes. Hey, the kicker got Harbaugh fired. I

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Speaker 2: mean no, I'm going to backtrack.

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Speaker 1: I think the decision was probably made to fire him

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Speaker 2: I bet sometime before that Green Bay game, like maybe

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Speaker 2: when they blew the game to the Patriots a few

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Speaker 2: weeks back, they maybe started turning the wheels in their

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Speaker 2: head ownership, we should probably move on. And then they

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Speaker 2: I love people, though, I've seen a meme on the

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Speaker 2: internet mark where they put you know, hard Harbaugh fired

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Speaker 2: on the outside of the field goal post. If you

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Speaker 2: missed it, I saw that Tomlin fired in the middle.

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Speaker 2: That's just not true. If he would have made the

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Speaker 2: field goal, it would not have played out the same

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Speaker 2: way it did. In Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Here in Pittsburgh, me note needed to be true, Tom

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Speaker 1: we have Eric Carlson on the Penguins defenseman, three time

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Speaker 1: Norris Trophy winner two thirty, and we have Steeler fan

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Speaker 1: maybe Numero Uno, although he don't got holy water from

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Speaker 1: poison and from Butler Pa. The best frontman in Rock,

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Speaker 1: Brett Michaels joins me at four pm here on one

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Speaker 1: oh five ninety X. Some Penguins notes some surprise line combinations,

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Speaker 1: although danmu said after practice today they were in the

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Speaker 1: experimental phase, but Malkin did not go right back between

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Speaker 1: Manta and Brazo.

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Speaker 3: Tommy Novak will remain there.

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Speaker 1: I kind of get it because he's, you know, played

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Speaker 1: well between those guys recently. But the second line right

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Speaker 1: now is Kindle centering Malkin and Chinnikoff. I thought it

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Speaker 1: Twitter because he's not a wing. Neither is Malkin, but

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Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense to put him on

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Speaker 3: We'll just see how it works out. Now. McGroarty not scratched.

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Speaker 3: It's worse than that.

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Speaker 1: He's concussed and has been placed on injured reserve, and

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Speaker 1: the Harrison Bruni sag has taken another turn. He has

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Speaker 1: been sent back to junior A hockey with kam Loops

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Speaker 1: in the Western Hockey League, where he will finish the

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Speaker 1: seasons as the agreement between the NHL in Canadian Major

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Speaker 1: Junior requires him to do once returned. I think they

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Speaker 1: mangled the Brunic thing, just utterly mangled it. We got

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Speaker 1: Eric Carlson on just around the corner. Tom, A quick

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Speaker 1: question about Carlson. Do you feel this has been his

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Speaker 1: best season as a Penguin of the three?

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Speaker 3: I do, and if so, why so? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think it's by far. He had a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a rough stretch when the entire team did, and

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Speaker 2: they lost eighth straight, but he's bounced back just like

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Speaker 2: the entire team has. He's been great over this five

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Speaker 2: game winning streak. He's I don't want to say he's

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Speaker 2: simplifying his game completely because he's still an awesome player.

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Speaker 2: He's fast, he's he's dynamic. But I just does Eric

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Speaker 2: Carlson moments, if that makes sense, just seem to be

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Speaker 2: what the reason is for that, if it's Sweden, if

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Speaker 2: it's a new coach thing, but it's happening, and I

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Speaker 2: was nervous that it was gonna you know, he was

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Speaker 2: losing streak. But I'm getting confident again that this is

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Speaker 2: gonna be a season long thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I figure it's the motivation of preparation for the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: He's going to represent Sweden at the Milan Winner Games.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's in better shape because that better lot looks

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Speaker 1: something to shoot for. Because if he's a typical European,

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Speaker 1: which I sense Carlson is, Olympic gold is the most

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Speaker 2: That might be the most important thing for like USA

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Speaker 2: kids to win too. The way that all these hockey

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Speaker 1: These well, not least because the NHL puts the Olympics

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Speaker 2: Oh, without question. That last part is what rings the

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Speaker 2: I was like ten years old Mark. In my defense,

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Speaker 1: The fired Eric Carlson up next, one oh five to nine.

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Speaker 2: It's The Way Show weekday mornings at six one.

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Speaker 3: Rob King here staying connected to your It's the mark

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Speaker 1: My guest right now is a three time Norris Trophy winner,

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you're playing the best this year

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good question. I think we all are collectively.

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Speaker 4: No, I think it's been great ever since day one.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's what I'm still striving for.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Eric Cross from the Penguins who're on

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Speaker 1: the Home of the Penguins one oh five nine the

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Speaker 1: x Okay, the Penguins that won five straight. Has anything

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Speaker 1: a particular caused that uptick after a fairly rough time

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Speaker 1: before that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's hard to say. I think that.

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Speaker 5: You know, obviously we went through a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a difficult spell there in December, but I think that

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Speaker 5: in general, except for maybe a few teams in the league,

447
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Speaker 5: you're going to have some sort of ups and downs,

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Speaker 5: and and you know, hopefully that was our only down

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Speaker 5: this year, you know, so we moved past that pretty quickly.

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Speaker 4: And obviously since Christmas break here, you know, we've been.

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Speaker 5: Feeling just as good about ourselves as we did, you

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Speaker 5: know in October. So we just got to keep that

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Speaker 5: feeling and not look too far ahead and definitely not

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Speaker 5: look back.

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Speaker 1: I thought the last two games were amazing, Eric, just

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Speaker 1: twelve shots a lot at Detroit, A comeback from four

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Speaker 1: to one down to Columbus. What did those games say

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Speaker 1: about the team and maybe tell the dressing room.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean, I think we've we've done a good

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Speaker 5: job this year and finding ways to win different games.

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Speaker 4: We've also found ways to lose different games.

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Speaker 5: But I think in general throughout in you know, eighty

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Speaker 5: two game season, uh, nothing's going to be you know,

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Speaker 5: the same every game, no matter who you play, it's

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Speaker 5: going to be very different, even if you play the

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Speaker 5: same team, you know, two games in a row. So

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Speaker 5: I think it's an important thing to you know, kind

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Speaker 5: of figure out a way within the game. You know,

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Speaker 5: what you're going to have to do that day to

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Speaker 5: be successful and what's going to be required of you.

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Speaker 4: And and obviously, you know, the.

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Speaker 5: Previous two games that we just play were two completely

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Speaker 5: different games, you know, from our team, and and I

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Speaker 5: think we found a good way and on you know,

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Speaker 5: what needed to be done in those particular moments, and

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Speaker 5: we've been doing a good job of that, I think

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Speaker 5: all year.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's adapting and and you know, feeling out.

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Speaker 4: You know what today is going to bring.

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Speaker 1: What does this team need to do to make the

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Speaker 1: playoffs and win playoff series? Because I'm sure you'd agree

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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference is really legitimately wide open.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, you know it's it's a tight race,

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Speaker 5: and you know, no one is really out of it,

485
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Speaker 5: no one is really in it. So yeah, I think,

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Speaker 5: like I said, I think we just have to stay

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Speaker 5: in the moment and not look too far ahead, you know,

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Speaker 5: try and you know, build on the things that we've

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Speaker 5: done so good this year, and and also at the

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Speaker 5: same time, you don't learn from from the mishaps that

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Speaker 5: we've had as well.

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Speaker 4: If we can just do that, I think we're going

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Speaker 4: to give ourselves a really good chance.

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Speaker 5: And if you do get in, and once you do

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Speaker 5: get in, you know, the playoffs and the door is

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Speaker 5: wide open, and you know a lot of things can happen.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if you end up eighth or or

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Speaker 4: first seed.

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Speaker 1: How much of a difference has Dan Muse made the

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Speaker 1: new coach the guy seemed to have responded, well, you included.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think he's he's he's done a

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Speaker 5: great job since day one, him and his entire staff.

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's a big change for for.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people here, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 5: of new things and you know, different views on things.

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Speaker 5: But I think that he's he's done a tremendous job

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Speaker 5: in realizing when you know, he needs to insert himself

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Speaker 5: and hammer certain things out, and then sometimes when he

509
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Speaker 5: just needs to let things play it out the way

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Speaker 5: it's supposed to.

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Speaker 4: And you know, so kudos to them for for being

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Speaker 4: able to recognize the group that we have right now, and.

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Speaker 5: Being able to integrate themselves in a in a positive

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Speaker 5: way and and you know, trying to help us, you know,

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Speaker 5: become the best we can meet.

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Speaker 1: Now, we knew you were good on the power play, Eric,

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Speaker 1: but this year you're killing penalties to which you haven't

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Speaker 1: always and it turns out you're good at it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who knew, right.

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Speaker 4: I knew, but no one else did.

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Speaker 5: No, It's obviously it's obviously great for you know, someone

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Speaker 5: like me, I'd like to, you know, play an important

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Speaker 5: role on the team, no matter what that is and

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Speaker 5: and you know, having responsibilities. You know, penalty killing is

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Speaker 5: something that I've always liked to do. But you know,

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Speaker 5: with with the style of play that I have and

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Speaker 5: the other personnel usually on the team, you know, I've

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Speaker 5: been taking a back seat there, which I've been okay

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Speaker 5: with also, but I enjoy it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 5: You know, it requires a lot of thinking and thinking

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Speaker 5: ahead of the next play when you're not in control

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Speaker 5: of the park. So I think our entire group though,

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Speaker 5: has done a great job in in you know, finding

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Speaker 5: ways to be successful against you know, different power plays

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Speaker 5: rat League.

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Speaker 1: Now you've played against Sid before with with your prior teams,

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Speaker 1: but if you play against Tim at the Olympics, how

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Speaker 1: will you try to contain him?

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Speaker 3: That'd be a matchup I'd be looking forward to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I've done that longer than I played

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Speaker 4: with him.

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Speaker 5: So hopefully those instincts can kick in again and and.

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Speaker 4: You can try and figure it out.

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Speaker 5: But you know, it's just a guy that you always

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Speaker 5: have to be aware of it, and you always have

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Speaker 5: to be on your toes and be ready for for unexpected.

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Speaker 5: You can't give him too much time out there, and

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Speaker 5: you know, let him do do his thing too much.

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Speaker 4: So I'm looking forward to the challenge.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's one of the best parts of this

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Speaker 5: game is you know, playing against other best players. So

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Speaker 5: h you know when we go to Milan, Uh, we're

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Speaker 5: going to see a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Those before we wrap up. Eric, I got to ask

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Speaker 1: you about your pregame meal. Let me see about this, right,

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Speaker 1: it's pasta, meat sauce, alfredo sauce, raw onion hot sauce,

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Speaker 1: and ketch him.

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Speaker 3: I think it sounds great. How'd you come up with that?

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Speaker 4: It's kind of an evolution, I think throughout the years.

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Speaker 4: It started with just spaghetti and meat sauce with ketchup.

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Speaker 4: That was all we had back in the day.

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Speaker 5: You know, now we have a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: bigger spread, so it kind of just kept adding, you know,

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Speaker 5: things that I like and it seems to have been

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Speaker 5: working for me. My stomach can still take it, and

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Speaker 5: you know, I feel great come seven o'clock, so why change?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to eat it, but it sounds

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Speaker 1: like heartburn could be a problem.

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Speaker 3: Does that ever kick up?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it hasn't happened yet, so you know, I'm going

573
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Speaker 5: to keep kicking it until I can until my body says,

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Speaker 5: you know, maybe it's time beats some carrots and chicken instead.

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Speaker 1: Eric, thank you so much for taking the time. This

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Speaker 1: was great stuff. We'll see at the rink.

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Speaker 4: Yeah sounds good. Take care.

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Speaker 1: That's Eric Carlson. What that was great? He should have

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Speaker 1: his own talk show. Uh number to call, well, not

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Speaker 1: just Jack, because we got calls on well get in

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Speaker 1: line now eight three, three, four to one two WXDX

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Speaker 1: if you're just tuning in. The big news is the

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Speaker 1: Post Gazette is shutting down after over a century of operation. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 1: We got Harbaugh getting fired to discuss the Steelers in

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Speaker 1: Texas this Monday night.

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Speaker 3: That's the biggest story. Don't forget.

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Speaker 1: You can come watch the game with me Monday night

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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh Brewing Company just off through twenty eight. That's

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Speaker 1: in Creighton's biggest big screen TV anywhere. And you can

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Speaker 1: watch the Penguin game with me at the same place

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Speaker 1: Sunday at five pm. So a lot of stuff going

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Speaker 1: on for me the super genius. And we got Bretton

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Speaker 1: Michaels of Poison talking Steelers way through the show.

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Speaker 3: One oh five to nine the X.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow night the Pens take on the Devils.

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Speaker 2: Game time is set. Our coverage starts at six here

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Speaker 2: every game, and the best coverage right here on your

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Speaker 2: home of the Pens one O five nine DX on

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Speaker 2: one O five nine.

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Speaker 1: DX terrific deb Eric Carlson our tenth Penguin guests of

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Speaker 1: the season. So there ain't no better place to hear

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Speaker 1: about the hockey team than here. And if you're just

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Speaker 1: tuning in, it looks like Malkin's definitely in for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Looks like he's gonna play left wing on a line

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Speaker 1: with Kendall and Chinnikov, and Tommy Novak will stay in

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Speaker 1: between the twin towers of Brazo and Mantha. Also, Harrison

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Speaker 1: Brunnick sent back to Junior a Tom, what have we

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Speaker 1: got for today's trifecta?

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Speaker 2: For today's trifector mark, the Steelers are playing Houston. Houston

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Speaker 2: is known to be linked with NASA, Right Houston, we

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Speaker 2: have a problem. So I've got three movie heads of NASA.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know somebody gonna have a problem.

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Speaker 2: Number three, I'm gonna go with Ed Harris in the

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Speaker 2: movie Apollo thirteen. The True story about The Apolo thirteen Astronauts.

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Speaker 2: I like Harris, and Harris is a great a.

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Speaker 1: Ed Harris always has an air of gravitas.

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Speaker 2: Perfect for a role like head of NASA, right right?

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Speaker 1: And in the Uh Director of the Truman Show, Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's fantastic. Basically defrauded Truman of his life and was

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Speaker 1: able to justify it in every turn.

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Speaker 2: Now, Ed Harris was great and crucial in getting those

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Speaker 2: boys back home. But Gary Siniese's character was the main

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Speaker 2: player there. I the guy who was sick and had

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Speaker 2: to stay back on Earth.

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Speaker 3: I would feel good about Ed Harris being the actual

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Speaker 3: head of NASA.

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Speaker 2: Now have you ever seen the movie Hidden Figures? My

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Speaker 2: number two guy is Kevin Costner in that movie. Hidden

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Speaker 2: Figures is a very good movie. If you haven't seen it,

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Speaker 2: I would watch it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what period of Costner's career was that shot in?

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Speaker 2: This was probably twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen. It sucked.

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Speaker 3: Anything Costner did later in his career sucked.

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Speaker 2: It was a movie.

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Speaker 1: It was all filled with vanity shots. You like ever

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Speaker 1: see Water World? Yes, Water Roll was a great movie

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Speaker 1: except for that like thirty minutes wasted shooting him.

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Speaker 3: You know, semi shirtless from Afar to make him look good.

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Speaker 2: That's not in this movie. That's none of the vanity

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Speaker 2: shots with Hinnen figures.

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Speaker 3: In this movie.

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Speaker 2: He just plays a total role part as far as

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Speaker 2: the head of NASSA is concerned.

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Speaker 3: Did you know what like cost.

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Speaker 1: An extra like tens of millions of dollars to shoot

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Speaker 1: water World because they always had to reposition so you

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Speaker 1: couldn't see any land in the background.

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Speaker 3: It makes sense, Yeah, yeah, I mean it was water.

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Speaker 2: World number one.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 2: In the movie Armaged and Billy Bob Thornton, I mean

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Speaker 2: what ahead of nask.

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Speaker 1: So it was basically playing Billy Bob Thornton, yes, as

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Speaker 1: the head of NASSA.

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Speaker 2: And basically told the US government to go screw themselves

657
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Speaker 2: by backdooring the way to disable the nuke. When you

658
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: remember they remote activated it on the ship, which one

659
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: had the ariosmis song that was Armageddon. That's when Ben

660
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: AFFLECKX going at it with Lift Tyland, who was.

661
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like I hate that you hate that song.

662
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 3: That's well close, shut up, shut up.

663
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: You know what it's like though, It's like it's like

664
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: Ron Stewart, did you think come sexy and Foreigner?

665
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: Did I want to Know what Love is.

666
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: It went against the grain of what each normally did

667
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: and Offen I did some of the fan base, but

668
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the day increased the fan base.

669
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: The old ones didn't go away. It's just what I

670
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: hate is they have to play it in concert. Rod,

671
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: would you think I'm sexy foreigner? I want to know

672
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: what Love is? And Aerosmith. But Aerosmith, uh, you know,

673
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: is an old man.

674
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 5: Tom.

675
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: I have to go to the bathroom all lot to

676
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: wearing a concert. The Armageddon song is my bathroom break

677
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: for Aerosmith. It was a truly Armageddon song too, right,

678
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: like they made it for the movie. It wasn't like

679
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: they grabbed a song from Aersmith and put it into

680
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: the movie, right, like with dream on a Miracle, Like

681
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: that's an Arismith song that he just attached to the

682
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: end and it was great. I think that was written

683
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: specifically for the movie, right because of lif Toddler's involvement.

684
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: Too, although they didn't know that they were related for

685
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: the beginning portion of their life. Right, wasn't there some

686
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: story about that?

687
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh? She was the daughter of Steven Tyler and B. B.

688
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: Buell, who was a noted model, and I guess groupie

689
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: is the proper word to use.

690
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: And she was living with Todd Runggren, another musician.

691
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: Yes when hello, it's me when when uh Tyler knocked

692
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: her up and uh, the very understanding Todd Runggren more

693
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: understand than I would have been. Then again, maybe to

694
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: stay with BB buell a a you know, eating some

695
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: humble pie, although I don't think Steve Marriott bangered well

696
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: maybe he did, but at any rate, Todd Rungren agreed

697
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: to uh raise live Tyler as as their daughter, and

698
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't until years later that lived Tyler because she

699
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: looks exactly like Steven Siler, like when in the Aerosmith

700
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: memoir Walk This Way, when BB turns up pregnant, Stephen

701
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Tyler says, says that baby better than have droopy eyes

702
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: and big ears bybe but it did.

703
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: No doubt the same lips pretty much too. Yeah right,

704
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: it's the same exact face, just one's male, one's female.

705
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: So if Bbe wanted to pull a fast one on

706
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: run Grin, that's gonna be tough to dick.

707
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Can you think of any other songs that compromised group's

708
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: general ethos? But but turn out be a big hit.

709
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: Those are the three big examples. That was kind of

710
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: like a trifecta within the trifecta.

711
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: It's very tri trifect deception ish. But uh, I can't

712
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: think of one off the top of my head. That's

713
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: a good The Aerosmith one's a really good one. Rod Stewart,

714
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: do you think I'm Sexy is such a popular song

715
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: for him?

716
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Well, it was what they all done back then. It

717
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: was his disco song, like the Rolling Stones had missed you.

718
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: I like it, but yeah, but you know what, it

719
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: didn't quite go too far in the direction of disco.

720
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: There was some rocky stuff about it. Jagger's vocal on it,

721
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: I mean Rod's vocal though on Do you think I'm

722
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: Sexy's really good as well?

723
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: Of course Stewarts.

724
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like and like and like, it's

725
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: the encore, the last song for every show he plays,

726
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: and I know he has to do it. Well, that's

727
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: not true, that's not true. The last time I saw him,

728
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't the last song.

729
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: Now see, I was gonna say, if it's the last song,

730
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: every here's the thing, here's the.

731
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: Thing, and maybe why should be the last song?

732
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: I saw him in Baltimore this past summer, and I

733
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: know it wasn't the last song, but I forget what

734
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: the last song was, so maybe it should have been

735
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: do you think I'm sexy?

736
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: You don't like the song? Same way you treat the

737
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: arm again and song with Aerosmith as a bathroom break.

738
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: If this was the closer every time, that's your early exit, right,

739
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: that's the beat traffic home.

740
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: I would never leave a Ron Stewart concert early. That.

741
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: That's like, I mean, I don't need to hear that

742
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: song ever again, but it's the same. Skinnard always wraps

743
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: up with Freebird, and I've heard that song more than

744
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: I ever cared to. But I outter respect and especially

745
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: for the for the guys who died. I mean, you

746
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: can't leave a Skynard so early. I remember I saw

747
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: Gary Rossington's second last show. He was the last surviving

748
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: original and founding member of Skinnered, and he was in

749
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: real bad shape. And the last couple of shows he played,

750
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: he came on just did like two or three songs,

751
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: and you knew and rumor had it that it wasn't

752
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: going to be long. And I and I Gary Austin,

753
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: He's like the last man standing. I gotta respect that, right,

754
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: And like I was in Atlantic City and there's no

755
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: reason to leave Earlan in Atlantic City because just walked

756
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: on the boardwalk to your hotel.

757
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: But it was like really surreal to know.

758
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: That was gonna be the last time I saw Gary

759
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: Rossington play Freebird.

760
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: I mean both, you know, hand in hand, the man

761
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: in the song.

762
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an unbelievable experience. I used to play free

763
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: Bird all the time on Guitar Hero. It was so fun.

764
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: You know, the most.

765
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: Amazing thing about Freebird though, And we've gone way off

766
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: on a tangent.

767
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: Here, but I like it.

768
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Alan Collins, who did not die in the plane crash

769
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: but had a car wreck later, Like those guys have

770
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: endured so much tragedy, to be fair, much of itself inflicted.

771
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: But Alan Collins wrote free Bird and that guitar solo

772
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: when he was seventeen.

773
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

774
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: That's just unfreaking believable.

775
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 2: That's like Evan Goldberg and Seth Rogan wrote Super Bad

776
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 2: when they were like fourteen years old in high school.

777
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 2: It's insane to hear people do that at such a

778
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: young age.

779
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you think the script from when they

780
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: were fourteen still held when the movie was.

781
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 3: At all shot.

782
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: It absolutely evolved. But just to have the Braves premise

783
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: for a brilliant coming of age movie like that, or

784
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: to have a song like that written when you are

785
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: in yourself.

786
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: Originally, Seth Rogan envisioned him and Goldberg is the two

787
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: kids right as Jonah Hill and Michael Sarah.

788
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 2: That's what they were writing them as. Yes, and Evin

789
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: Goldberg's not in the movie at all, not at all.

790
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: No.

791
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: And Seth Rogan plays the bill, which is tremendous.

792
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: Is the best, maybe the best two characters in the

793
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 2: movie is the two cops.

794
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: The fastest kid alive. Can't catch him.

795
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: Uh, we got Brett Michaels at four o'clock. He's gonna

796
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: be in tom for the Steeler game and for the draft.

797
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Plus you get to find out what his plans concert plays.

798
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: I plan my summer around Brett's concerts.

799
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding.

800
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: I would straight up be nervous as hell if he

801
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna be in the four one two Vicinity come

802
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: Monday night, and especially not in the stadium. You need

803
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: Brett Michaels, then well we're trying to talk to Joe Manganello.

804
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 2: I think he should be there as well. I think

805
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: he should be as well. I haven't heard back from

806
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: them yet. They're the agent, so I might have to

807
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: follow up today.

808
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: You know what, Brett is the perpetually optimistic Steeler fan

809
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: and he's a Tomlin friendon too, and Joe is the

810
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: perpetually cynical Pittsburgh sports fan. So that if we can

811
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: get Joe on later this week, that would be a

812
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: good point.

813
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: Connor point.

814
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: Uh did you see Tom Wain did at lengthy interview

815
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: with Rich Eisene. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't do crap with

816
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh media, but he'll do you know, he'll kiss national

817
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: media ass. But by the same token Rich eisen and

818
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: who's the other guy, Jay Glazer. They certainly put time

819
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: in with the lips in Tomas backside.

820
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: The only local thing that Tomlin does in that one

821
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: on one setting is Bowman in the morning show right

822
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: every year training.

823
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: I didn't know he still did that.

824
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't, well, Mark, that's when he sat down and

825
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: said the defense this year was going to be historic,

826
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 2: when he was talking to Randy and then on the

827
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: DV morning.

828
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 3: Well that that didn't turn out to be true.

829
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: You see one thing, and I respect Mario for so

830
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: many reasons, and I would never compare Mario to Mike

831
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: common in any way. Mario lem you give Pittsburgh and

832
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's a Pittsburgh underachiever.

833
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: But one thing Marioll understood, you know what media.

834
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: He always took care of Pittsburgh media and Montreal media

835
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: because he told I think it was Tom McMillan when Tom,

836
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, was their vice president in charge of media.

837
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: He said, those are the guys who can affect my life,

838
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh media and the Montreal media. So he took

839
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: care of them, didn't pay as much attention national media.

840
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Then again, at that time, the national media wasn't what

841
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: it is now, you know everywhere and the influence that's.

842
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: Been kind of passed down to said too. Don't you

843
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: think like he only does your show locally as far

844
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: as one on one radio.

845
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 3: But Sill do No, Sid does one on one with

846
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: like Yojo.

847
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. The print medium. He'll give them

848
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: the time.

849
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I.

850
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: Mean, Sid, Sid and Mary are just good guys. Mike

851
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: Tomlin isn't to be frank, I mean, how many times

852
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: we have to have that proven. Well, I mean, nobody

853
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: knows that. I'm not even sure I know that, but

854
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: I got a pretty good idea up next.

855
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: We've been saving it since yesterday.

856
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

857
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: This sound bite from James Harrison and Joe Hayden on

858
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: their podcast talking about how uh Joe Burrow the sence

859
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: he quarterback laid down, sat down is what Harrison says,

860
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: and let Miles Garrett have the sack record. It's just

861
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: so freaking ridiculous. And I'll tell you why in just

862
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: a moment here one oh five ninety x