Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?
Speaker 2: On the weekend in the books, and we're back at
Speaker 2: here Scott's fold thanks for jumping in the show on
Speaker 2: seven hundred ww. You know, even without the mass shooting,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's crime numbers are up sixty two percent, I believe
Speaker 2: to the first ten weeks ten eleven weeks of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six, and in one western neighborhood, of course, two
Speaker 2: eleven year old's now killed at the same playground. Since
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, we had a dangerous street takeover on
Speaker 2: Saturday night early Sunday morning, resulting in arrests and great
Speaker 2: work by CPD.
Speaker 1: By the way, So here's the thing.
Speaker 2: We're halfway through March and it's snowing. What happens this
Speaker 2: summer when the city actually is out in full force
Speaker 2: and what's the city actually doing to maybe prevent or
Speaker 2: tamp down a lot of this crime? Joined the show
Speaker 2: is council member Seth Walsh. Seth, how you been? How's
Speaker 2: life you good?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Scott getting ready for the snow today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you thought it was over, It's just beginning.
Speaker 3: I'm that's way.
Speaker 2: What the damn plowd tracker doesn't work. It's a seventy yesterday,
Speaker 2: so you gotta.
Speaker 3: Day.
Speaker 1: Even the software says I'm out. Software tapped out.
Speaker 2: But seriously, Saturday night, and this could have been much
Speaker 2: worse than it was. You have to give one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of the credit to CPD because they did a
Speaker 2: fantastic job. I think thirty nine people arrested, sixty five
Speaker 2: cars tow during a mass street takeover, and it happened
Speaker 2: in several different areas. They picked up a couple I
Speaker 2: think stolen guns as well. One of the places where
Speaker 2: they congregated was Riverfront Live parking lot, and that's the
Speaker 2: same venue, of course, where nine people were shot just
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: The bigger picture, though, is we've.
Speaker 2: Seen bar and dining in public transportation, a bunch of
Speaker 2: other numbers indicating that that is down in the city. Now.
Speaker 2: Some of that may be the weather, another part of
Speaker 2: that may be the economy, But how much is crime
Speaker 2: impacting all that?
Speaker 3: I mean, the issue was crime conversation You and I
Speaker 3: have professional stingy be having right and unfortunately the city
Speaker 3: this conversation we're going to continue to have. I think
Speaker 3: it's important to take a step back and really appreciate,
Speaker 3: as you said, what CPD was able to do, able
Speaker 3: to get ahead of this, you know, you know, road
Speaker 3: take over and arrest all these bad actors. They were
Speaker 3: coming out participate in that, and that's really you know,
Speaker 3: it's an interest point. It's just the ground that we're
Speaker 3: seeing around the city because you know, the people that
Speaker 3: were coming from that weren't Offinnatians. I don't. I've actually
Speaker 3: gets many work even the Stadius they're coming across. The
Speaker 3: problems in the city. It was kind of wild the
Speaker 3: reports I'm getting who they were even finding there, and
Speaker 3: people bringing their kids to this for example. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a dangerous something was being pulled off. And so
Speaker 3: first off, I just think the polices are a big
Speaker 3: accolades for that. The staffs, though, are the stacts. And
Speaker 3: so I think there's some good questions that you're going
Speaker 3: to be asking me about. You know, why are these
Speaker 3: crime up and anytime you have crime to problems and
Speaker 3: we got to do more to fix that. But you know,
Speaker 3: this is the priority that I've had since I got
Speaker 3: a city council. Continue to point to the fact that
Speaker 3: we are dramatically understaffed in the police Department. While they're
Speaker 3: able to have these great moments like this weekend, we
Speaker 3: are still dropping the ball city leaders in terms of
Speaker 3: making sure they're fully funded to be able to do
Speaker 3: the action plans. And they say they need to be
Speaker 3: able to be successful on our streets.
Speaker 2: Do they need more tools and more bullets in the belt,
Speaker 2: so to speak? Because if you go back to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, the state of Ohio moved to increase the
Speaker 2: penalties for street racing and you and Vice Mayor Jana
Speaker 2: Sheloman Kearney opposed it. Does this change your mind? Should
Speaker 2: it be more than a misdemeanor? What I mean that's
Speaker 2: a payout ticket.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Jeff Cramond and I actually were talking about
Speaker 3: this last night, talked fume to Jeff Cramandy and I
Speaker 3: were talking about this, and we're going to be customer mark.
Speaker 3: Jefferies already has the motion he's putting forward SASS for
Speaker 3: a report we'd like to take a little bit further,
Speaker 3: and actually kind of moved to just amend our ornments
Speaker 3: is to go further than that misdemeanor. At the time
Speaker 3: we were voting on a resolution, I just had some
Speaker 3: personal issues at the resolution, but I do think that
Speaker 3: it's time that we step bother would make sure that
Speaker 3: we are actually, you know, clacking down on these and
Speaker 3: making sure that it's not happening in the city, because
Speaker 3: you know, it isn't a true point for where we're
Speaker 3: seeing crime happening, and we need to make sure that
Speaker 3: we are not allowing it and not going too easy
Speaker 3: on it. Because thirty nine people being arrested as an
Speaker 3: indicator of some problems that are going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what made you change your mind on there
Speaker 2: or say, hey, we do need to get harder?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it the size of this one? I mean, thirty
Speaker 2: nine arrests, sixty five cars and it's March. As I said,
Speaker 2: you know this is going to happen more and then
Speaker 2: maybe bigger ones over the summer.
Speaker 1: God knows.
Speaker 2: Is it a couple of years ago, maybe it wasn't
Speaker 2: a bigger deal as it is now, or what was
Speaker 2: a catalyst?
Speaker 3: No, I would say that you know, one thing I
Speaker 3: think you appreciate about me, Scott when complay learning and
Speaker 3: growing and at the time, I think this was my
Speaker 3: first year for several months on city council, and I've
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time since then you know, integrating
Speaker 3: myself from the police department to learn how they operate,
Speaker 3: what's going on, And it was really an opening experience
Speaker 3: when you go on a violent crime squad ride along
Speaker 3: and you're an non marched police vehicle and you're seeing
Speaker 3: what's happening and the offices are telling you that tells
Speaker 3: you can't even tell are happy because you're not. You know,
Speaker 3: you're not used to this, I mean, really changes your
Speaker 3: perspective on when the police come in and they say
Speaker 3: these are the tools that they need, what does that
Speaker 3: mean and how does that actually matter? And so I
Speaker 3: think for me, it's a matter of continuing to learn
Speaker 3: and grow. And you know, at the time, I wasn't
Speaker 3: yearly informed or educated on some of the policing issues
Speaker 3: and how they are trying to solve bigger issues in
Speaker 3: the city. So I think that's that's the good time
Speaker 3: for people to just take the time to continue to
Speaker 3: educate yourself and not get yourself locked in on a position,
Speaker 3: because that's how we get bigger problems here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, as I respect, I think most people listening
Speaker 2: to it's like, yeah, you're learning. You're young man, you
Speaker 2: learn on the job and go Okay, well, we do
Speaker 2: need tougher laws. I think that's a I think that's
Speaker 2: a great answer. Council members Sess Walshawan with Sloani here
Speaker 2: seven hundred W WELLW crime numbers are up sixty two
Speaker 2: percent through the first ten weeks of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: And of course we just had this three takeover. No
Speaker 2: injuries or accidents, so thank God for that. But you're
Speaker 2: talking thirty nine arrests, a couple of guns off the streets,
Speaker 2: and sixty five cars towed in all credits to CPD
Speaker 2: because they did a fantastic job and and and shutting
Speaker 2: this down. I don't think it's going to cause people
Speaker 2: to maybe think twice about it because the laws, it's
Speaker 2: only a misdemeter one that's as low as you can go.
Speaker 2: It's a ticket, that's about it. I know in northern
Speaker 2: Kentucky this this is an eye opener.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: There's a lawmaker there who I had on that said, listen,
Speaker 2: this is happening in Sinsey. It's happening all over the
Speaker 2: place in Louisville and UH and Lexington and other cities.
Speaker 2: The three takeovers. We want to make it a felony.
Speaker 2: What we want to do is after the second strike,
Speaker 2: second time you're caught, we're going to take your car
Speaker 2: and put in a crusher.
Speaker 1: Is that too extreme? Is that going too far?
Speaker 3: I think the bigger the bigger issue. I don't know
Speaker 3: that I have an opinion on, you know, first second
Speaker 3: sight to put your car and pressure you. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of people that can use out there, so I
Speaker 3: think there's probably more better ways that we can redistribute here.
Speaker 3: But I think the bigger issue is you're look at
Speaker 3: how many people had illegal guns that were arrested in
Speaker 3: that and then we talked by gun violence and as
Speaker 3: you point them out, it's happened right in front of
Speaker 3: them place. We just had a mass shooting in the city.
Speaker 3: Scadding the issue with these takeovers. You know, it's started
Speaker 3: a seemingly it's a cute TikTok trend. I don't have
Speaker 3: to keep the right word for you know, but you
Speaker 3: know it started as a TikTok trend, and it is
Speaker 3: driving from reality, if you will, and it is driving
Speaker 3: people with shady so on margin and in some cases
Speaker 3: illegally and illegally owned guns that leads to these visitors.
Speaker 3: And I feel like we're constantly hadn't to have conversations
Speaker 3: about which is then we're shooting people and that's the
Speaker 3: problem that's fundementally it. So what we have to do
Speaker 3: proactively is we talk about crime numbers, is to bring
Speaker 3: them down. We have to stop the things that are
Speaker 3: bringing people with illegal guns that are going to create
Speaker 3: the environment for potential shootings, for potential violence, fo potential
Speaker 3: print and so yes, I think we have to step
Speaker 3: up our enforcemate, we have to step up how we
Speaker 3: can do this. We have to give us police department
Speaker 3: more tools to make this something that people stop doing
Speaker 3: and because we just can't tolerate what we know leads
Speaker 3: to worse action.
Speaker 2: And then this summer you're going to have the you know,
Speaker 2: the people in the dirt bikes and the quads out
Speaker 2: there too. That's a whole another set of problems when
Speaker 2: it comes to traffic enforcement. Seth Walsh, the city's on
Speaker 2: crime report showed fifty two people shot in Cincy in
Speaker 2: the first ten weeks at twenty twenty six, and that
Speaker 2: does not include the mass shooting at Riverfront Live, so
Speaker 2: it's up sixty two percent of the same time period
Speaker 2: year over year. We've talked a lot about with you
Speaker 2: and other members of Council here on the show. With
Speaker 2: all the anti violence measures Council approved last September, the
Speaker 2: five million dollars spent, what why are crime numbers going
Speaker 2: the wrong way?
Speaker 3: Man? If some may have the answer to that was Scott,
Speaker 3: they would be a very rich person. Right now. It's
Speaker 3: it's troubling, it's frustrating, it's dispartening. It makes you feel
Speaker 3: like anything you do is succeeding. You know. I wish
Speaker 3: I had the answer for why our choice seems to
Speaker 3: be violent. As opposed to just solving these problems through conversations,
Speaker 3: we're just walking away and dealing with it the next day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we've just viety to come to them, to
Speaker 3: the you know, what violence actually is and what those
Speaker 3: long term impacting consequences become. And I think we, you know,
Speaker 3: continue to try to chase and put these measures and
Speaker 3: the effect that are going to take long time to
Speaker 3: solve it. And then the next week or the next
Speaker 3: day there's another tragedy, and then we have to pivot again,
Speaker 3: and we try to ramp up again, and and some
Speaker 3: of this is just a long term societal adjustment we
Speaker 3: have to make. I think We dealt with a lot
Speaker 3: of youth problems last year. I suspect we have some
Speaker 3: more on the way this year, because you know, there
Speaker 3: is trauma that our uth are dealing with from COVID
Speaker 3: that I think is only just now starting to have
Speaker 3: the conversations about it. But I still think we're so
Speaker 3: far behind on what that conversation means. But that's going
Speaker 3: to take time to fix and solve, and and so
Speaker 3: that means we have to figure out what short term
Speaker 3: solutions are and how we manage those long term solutions
Speaker 3: at the same time. That's complicated and unfortunately right now
Speaker 3: that's not working to the best that we could possibly
Speaker 3: make it happen. And I think we have to be
Speaker 3: honest about that.
Speaker 2: How much of the problem, though, is outside of your
Speaker 2: control sets? And that would be judges who are on
Speaker 2: this this own recognizant kick zero bond. We've seen people,
Speaker 2: you know, the shooting it in between the guy had
Speaker 2: an ankle monitor on. He didn't even bother cutting it off.
Speaker 2: They cut it off. There's no repercussions for it whatsoever.
Speaker 2: And so it just emboldens the this this extreme one
Speaker 2: percent or less than one percent of the population to
Speaker 2: commit more heinous and more violent and more deliberate crimes.
Speaker 2: There's not much you can do. You can pass all
Speaker 2: laws and roles. You're not going to tell judges what
Speaker 2: to do. But how much of the problem lies defeat
Speaker 2: of We've got too touchy feeling when it comes to
Speaker 2: dealing with criminals.
Speaker 3: Look, I think we're talking about a really complicated topic.
Speaker 3: So I think it's really easy to pass the buck
Speaker 3: and blame somebody, whether you want to blame you know,
Speaker 3: if you're a city of council members, to blame a judge,
Speaker 3: if you're a judge, to blame the state legislature, the
Speaker 3: state legislature, blame the city counc's members, and you know,
Speaker 3: then work the system back and then blame everybody else
Speaker 3: to say, well, we all have to just do better.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, we all have a
Speaker 3: role in this. Every single one of us has a
Speaker 3: role in this. You know. I was at a first
Speaker 3: service yesterday and this journalman had a public puzzle piece
Speaker 3: on lapel and I asked him what it meant, and
Speaker 3: he told me, you know, it's a puzzle piece because
Speaker 3: we're all part of the bigger puzzle. And if we
Speaker 3: don't all click it in. It doesn't work. So can
Speaker 3: I blame the judges, Sure, you can blame me as well,
Speaker 3: you can blame everybody. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we have to all do our parts. We have to
Speaker 3: lock in and say this is not acceptable. We've got
Speaker 3: to do better, and that means we have to hold
Speaker 3: ourselves to a higher standard. And frankly, you know, well,
Speaker 3: I think the since that police department is doing fantastic job,
Speaker 3: are we as the city leaders doing enough to help
Speaker 3: and support them? I would argue, no. You know, they've
Speaker 3: been clear since I got on City Council that they've
Speaker 3: been asking for more resources, that asking to more offices
Speaker 3: just to get to the minimum compliment, and we haven't
Speaker 3: done that. And so before we until we solve those problems.
Speaker 3: I think it's difficult to start pointing to think at others,
Speaker 3: But I also think that others need to start looking
Speaker 3: at themselves and saying, are we solving all of our
Speaker 3: problems before we pass the baying back to city Hall,
Speaker 3: because we all are part of the ecosystem and it
Speaker 3: is a really really complicated topic and passing the blame
Speaker 3: and pushing the blame on others only makes it harder
Speaker 3: to solve it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll play a little partisan Paul for a second here,
Speaker 2: and I think you know me, I'm not necessarily I
Speaker 2: just I want things to work. I don't care who
Speaker 2: gets the credit. It's been a pillar of a progressive
Speaker 2: platform to be more hands off when it comes to policing,
Speaker 2: that treating criminals more like victims themselves and the root cause.
Speaker 2: And we heard that a lot from Vice Mayor jan
Speaker 2: Olschelam and Kearney. I'm sure the mayor feels the same way.
Speaker 2: But you know, at some point we look at this
Speaker 2: and go, it's not working for us. I mean, case
Speaker 2: in point is a judges aside. We have a gun
Speaker 2: shot This detection system called shot spot or logged nearly
Speaker 2: one hundred shootings in the city in West Side and
Speaker 2: West End since twenty twenty three. More than half the
Speaker 2: victims were children. We had two eleven year olds killed
Speaker 2: at the same playground in less than three years. Neither
Speaker 2: case has been solved. They're both cold cases at this point.
Speaker 2: We have a camera system that doesn't work that had
Speaker 2: to be fixed after the second homicide.
Speaker 1: What does that.
Speaker 2: Say about how good a job that leadership of the
Speaker 2: city and this would be the Democrats that get elected
Speaker 2: there are doing because because clearly the idea that hey,
Speaker 2: we have to police differently because of a mandate from
Speaker 2: the public. At some point you have to go off
Speaker 2: to that fraction of one percent that are recidibus that
Speaker 2: are causing most of these bad crimes. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about jaywalking and things like that. I'm talking about violent,
Speaker 2: predatory crimes that from this end anyway, the rest of
Speaker 2: us who don't live in the city look inside and go,
Speaker 2: it's a mess down there. And we just keep bringing
Speaker 2: the same people, or at least the same parties back
Speaker 2: to try and solve a problem that they helped create.
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 3: No? No, I would not say that's fair. I would
Speaker 3: say that that that gets the exact point that I
Speaker 3: was just trying to make. You can certainly put all
Speaker 3: that on the city sincenatic, and I think that they're
Speaker 3: a fair amount of that. You know, the city deserves
Speaker 3: to answer, and the city deserves to be held to
Speaker 3: the standard have to answer that. But if we start
Speaker 3: playing partisan politics here, we start playing the fingers. The
Speaker 3: city has been trying to do legislation around gun control
Speaker 3: that would allow us to actually go after some of
Speaker 3: the ex bad date actors, and we've been stopped by
Speaker 3: the Republicans to control the state. Does that do any good?
Speaker 3: Point those fingers at each other right now. No, of course,
Speaker 3: it doesn't do us any good to solve that. The
Speaker 3: reality is we have to say that we have a
Speaker 3: problem with violence in the city of Cincinnati to some
Speaker 3: degreek but also you know, you look at the statistics
Speaker 3: and it is bound in the last several decades. So
Speaker 3: anytime there's any violence, anytime there's any crime, that is
Speaker 3: an unacceptable period, full stop. Until we get to a
Speaker 3: perfect year where there's a zero zero zero across the board,
Speaker 3: we are failing and we have to continue to strive
Speaker 3: toward that Democrat Republican. Whether you live in the suburbs
Speaker 3: or do you live in the city, all of us
Speaker 3: have a role in making this happen. And we can
Speaker 3: point to fingers and say, well, you haven't solved all
Speaker 3: the problems Scott, because you're a radio host and you
Speaker 3: have a responsibility to be a moral adult, and blah
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. That doesn't do us any good.
Speaker 3: It just it doesn't do us any good. And we
Speaker 3: can get into the partisan vickery. But at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, when somebody gets shot, they don't care
Speaker 3: if you're a Democrat or Republican who comes and helps
Speaker 3: save them. And so we all have.
Speaker 2: But the majority of city voters, assurers of the city voters,
Speaker 2: are realities, so we don't see it. Though I'm a
Speaker 2: check and balanced kind of guy. I love parties keeping
Speaker 2: each other in check, and it's it's completely lopsided now
Speaker 2: federally at the state level and even at the local
Speaker 2: level for that matter. We can talk about Republicans running
Speaker 2: Columbus and Washington, but of course Democrats have a stranglehold
Speaker 2: on the city of Cincinnati. So these issues are relevant
Speaker 2: in that regard. You know, I'll bring it back, and
Speaker 2: I think you're right on a two degrees seth is
Speaker 2: that you know, you talk about the gun policies in Ohio.
Speaker 2: I'm a big Second Amendment guy, but I see what
Speaker 2: happened here when it comes to stand your ground. We've
Speaker 2: now had what three cases of people of criminals shooting
Speaker 2: each other. People with disabilities, meaning if you're under disability,
Speaker 2: you can't own a possessive even think about a gun.
Speaker 2: And yet we know that felons are out there handling weapons,
Speaker 2: and we've seen this where they just claim, oh, I
Speaker 2: was at the Riverfront live shooting. How can both of
Speaker 2: these people with a beef with each other shoot shoot
Speaker 2: at one another in a crowded nightclub and both claim
Speaker 2: self defense. That's part of the problem right there, one
Speaker 2: hundred percent. So I agree with you there, it's just
Speaker 2: at the local level where it's controlled by the Progressive Party. Here,
Speaker 2: it's like the whole idea that we're going to be
Speaker 2: a kindler, gentler society to these victimized people, I'm not
Speaker 2: and I think most people aren't buying it at this point.
Speaker 2: We just we got to get tougher on those who
Speaker 2: are going to break the law. And the biggest victim
Speaker 2: and all that are the people that allegedly Democrats are
Speaker 2: trying to help, which would be the people of collar
Speaker 2: and the poor.
Speaker 3: Well. And so this is where I want to push
Speaker 3: back on you because and I assure you I'm not
Speaker 3: disagreeing with you that you know, there are criticisms that
Speaker 3: are rightfully come our way. But I want to push
Speaker 3: back is that you know this is that police department
Speaker 3: has said repeatedly, and or I'm chief, and I said it,
Speaker 3: you know, we their hands are not hied in policing
Speaker 3: to go out there and do it right. Where I
Speaker 3: would argue the problem is that we haven't given them
Speaker 3: enough officers to be able to go out there and
Speaker 3: do the job when when they're already dramatically understaff they
Speaker 3: can't They can't spend the time going after the bad
Speaker 3: actors that they know are out there to make sure
Speaker 3: that they're getting our streets safer, and what they are
Speaker 3: doing and what they're pointing off, given how understaffed they are,
Speaker 3: is a herculem feet which is why every year, you know,
Speaker 3: we get into the budget season and I raised this point,
Speaker 3: which is we need to hire more officers than firefighters.
Speaker 3: It is clear as day those are the most cential
Speaker 3: services we provide as a city. We have to provide
Speaker 3: them because then if we're still having problems, then we
Speaker 3: have to figure out the next step to solve it.
Speaker 3: Until we solve that problem, we can talk about all
Speaker 3: these various policies, but those policies are noted in the
Speaker 3: way of our police officers ability to do their jobs.
Speaker 3: Our police officers are overworked. They are working, you know,
Speaker 3: there there's understaffed, and that those their fundamental problems to
Speaker 3: our ability to be successful. So the fact that they
Speaker 3: are successful, the fact that we have you know, this
Speaker 3: year is a hopefully an anomaly, but they have. We
Speaker 3: have to be successful them well. Being understaffed, well, being overworked,
Speaker 3: is testiment to our police officers. The policies that you
Speaker 3: talked about, that you've cited, I mean a lot of
Speaker 3: that I would argue is rhetoric. And you know, I
Speaker 3: would argue that you can't point to a specific policy
Speaker 3: pass the citizenincinnati that actually does those things. I think
Speaker 3: it's easy to point to the rhetoric, but our officers
Speaker 3: say consistently that their hands are not tied to do
Speaker 3: the policing their problems, but that they're overworked and understaffed.
Speaker 2: Okay, So a final point, because we run a Lifees Walsh,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a give an example of what I
Speaker 2: was just talking about, reinforce it.
Speaker 1: It's like, how is the police department?
Speaker 2: How how has it gotten to the point where we're
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty officers behind if it weren't because
Speaker 2: we've taken the money from that and spent it elsewhere
Speaker 2: as opposed to focusing with crime rates going up. Now,
Speaker 2: you know, overall nationally the crime rates are pretty good.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're starting to see those numbers turn Cincinnati
Speaker 2: for some reason the first ten weeks of the year
Speaker 2: as an outlier. But if that's all true, then then
Speaker 2: how do we get to a point where one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty cops and we're losing good officers all the
Speaker 2: time because they can't stand how the department's being managed
Speaker 2: by those people the top, including the mayor. And this
Speaker 2: would go back to the beatdown over the summer in
Speaker 2: July where you know, someone gets arrested later because a
Speaker 2: captain says, okay, we've got to cite someone. I know
Speaker 2: a lot of CPD officers in their prime who are
Speaker 2: getting reassigned because of shortages and they're just retiring. That
Speaker 2: that's a climate that this partisan bickerings helped create.
Speaker 3: The one hundred and fifty police officer short is. I mean,
Speaker 3: you should look at the data. It began during the
Speaker 3: Great Recession and where we just simply as a city
Speaker 3: didn't have money to hire more officers, and then we
Speaker 3: couldn't keep up with the retirements that were happening. Well, yes,
Speaker 3: college I can't I can't. I can't speak to the
Speaker 3: leadership those here, but I can tell you it was
Speaker 3: a nine Democrats. My counsel will not happen. I can
Speaker 3: tell you that they were negotiating with the Republicans and
Speaker 3: the Charter and the Democrats. So to your to the
Speaker 3: point that you were trying to make earlier, you know
Speaker 3: a lot of the problems we have now we're not
Speaker 3: when is an I'm member Democrat, and so I think
Speaker 3: we have to acknowledge in the city we are dealing
Speaker 3: with historic problems that have come for whatever reasons. Now
Speaker 3: we have to solve them. And we can point fingers
Speaker 3: all we want, or we can get to work solving
Speaker 3: the problems. And I would argue, let's get to work
Speaker 3: solve the problem because tomorrow, you know, we need to
Speaker 3: not have any violence. You know, the next day we
Speaker 3: don't have any violence. And whether you're a Democrat, republic
Speaker 3: and I think we all agree with that. So let's
Speaker 3: get to work. Let's how we do that.
Speaker 2: Are you a little scared about what's coming? I mean,
Speaker 2: if this is March, what the hell is do you
Speaker 2: don't going to look like July August?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of the things that keeps me
Speaker 3: up to night, and it's one of the things that
Speaker 3: I spend a lot of time trying to advocate as
Speaker 3: much as I can, because we got to do better
Speaker 3: for our police to make sure they can go out
Speaker 3: there to do the best for us. Famous fire. You
Speaker 3: know we didn't touch on this. You know there is
Speaker 3: an anomaly happen here right now with single family homes
Speaker 3: catching on fire and fatality is coming with that. Doesn't
Speaker 3: that care you? Why is that happening? And I think
Speaker 3: we gave the root of that as well. I'm going
Speaker 3: to These are real issues that that you keep me
Speaker 3: up at night and I keep trying to solve. But
Speaker 3: they're not going to be easy solutions. But we're not
Speaker 3: going to solve it by ignoring the fact that their
Speaker 3: real problems.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean exceptionally cold winter too. I think that's
Speaker 2: the the main allar But Seth, I got to keep going, man.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the great debate. Felt like we were having
Speaker 2: a beer there for a minute.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Hey all the best, keep keep doing what you appreciate
Speaker 2: you man, Take care all right. Conscomember Seth Walsh on
Speaker 2: the Scott's Lunch this morning, running really late here seven
Speaker 2: hundred w