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Speaker 1: Just for the most ridiculous things.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you love to tell them what we just talked.

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Speaker 3: About, Absolutely, but I won't because we have to protect

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Speaker 3: the NSN welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We have Tim Jenkins joining us after.

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Speaker 3: Four point thirty today, he of course with Jenkins's Elite

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Speaker 3: All Things QB. He's been doing breakdowns on Bonnicks, kind

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Speaker 3: of checking in with him every other week seeing what

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Speaker 3: thoughts on bon Nicks to the first three quarters and

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Speaker 3: then what he did in the fourth quarter and why

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Speaker 3: the turnaround was able to happen against the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 3: when it means about not only this game against London,

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Speaker 3: but you know a little projection on what we could

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Speaker 3: see now that we're about a little over the quarterway

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Speaker 3: through the season, nearing the about third way to the season.

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Speaker 1: I guess you'd probably call it.

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Speaker 3: But here for a moment, as I have former defensive

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Speaker 3: Zach Segers, who does a lot of work obviously on

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Speaker 3: Broncos Country Tonight, he writes for our website. He does

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Speaker 3: stuff with the Broncos Radio Network, he's an all all

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Speaker 1: Guy as well. The beer is growing in nicely.

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Speaker 3: So, Zach, you put out, I want to have a

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Speaker 3: the stats can tell us what we're seeing with Riley Moss.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a big topic right now with Broncos fans.

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Speaker 3: As happy as everybody seems to be about the Eagles win,

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Speaker 3: they keep talking about Riley Moss getting burnt and that's

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Speaker 3: So I thought we'd take a minute here, long winded

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Speaker 3: way to talk about Riley Moss. So first we'll start with, Zach,

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Speaker 3: are you seeing from a stat perspective to back up

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Speaker 1: Not even remotely.

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Speaker 4: I think the only argument you could make stat based

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Speaker 4: they're throwing the ball a lot his way. Well, that's

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Speaker 4: gonna happen in a hand heavy defense. When you're playing

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Speaker 4: you are going to have the ball throwing your way

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Speaker 4: of eighty three point five. That's about the same as

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Speaker 4: what Michael Pennix is doing this year. He ranks twenty

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Speaker 4: sixth among all quarterbacks. So you can throw at Patrick's

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Speaker 4: Michael PENNOCKX junior throw. He's also averaging a forty three

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Speaker 4: point six percent completion percentage against that is fourth best

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Speaker 4: Those explosives and that does hurt, the success rate he's

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Speaker 2: And his schedule gets a lot easier.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So forty three, forty three point six percent completion rates,

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Speaker 4: Also, that is ranked ninth best among cornerback twos in

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Speaker 3: Okay, And no cornerback in the NFL has been thrown

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Speaker 6: They say men lie, women lie, but numbers don't lie.

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Speaker 6: In this case, they do lie. They don't tell the

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Speaker 6: You're going to give up plays in this league. And

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Speaker 6: Start to look at the targets and the actual completions.

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Speaker 6: Here's a stat they don't have. Like, let's go back

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Speaker 6: to the Charges game. I mean Justin Herbert threw two

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Speaker 2: Was right there, but the ball just went over his

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Speaker 6: So it's not the fact that Riley is getting cooked

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Speaker 6: even in that Coast game, there are people who were saying, well,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 3: And and I think there was a nice I appreciate

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Speaker 6: I'm glad that you that's what you called it. I

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Speaker 1: I was trying to keep it peace.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a bunch of cownships.

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Speaker 6: Yes, because once again, playing the game itself is very difficult,

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Speaker 2: But when you know that you're going.

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Speaker 6: To get targeted, let's just say an offense has sixty

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Speaker 3: There was something that happened in this game for the

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Speaker 3: They seemed to struggle a lot more that he had

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Speaker 1: They sin Hufanga, they sinned mc or McMillan.

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Speaker 3: So I'm wondering if there was something there for Vance

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Speaker 3: It's not trying to hide Riley Moss. Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 6: Here's what actually helped out the Broncos defense, and Vance

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Speaker 2: Of pressure off of Riley Mossel.

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Speaker 6: Now he can sit back and he can see things

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Speaker 1: So would you.

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Speaker 2: I knew you were going to go there.

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Speaker 3: want to ask you more about that specifically, because everybody

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Speaker 1: I loved some of your clapbacks earlier on Twitter. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Zach, he drives it a cornerback in the

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Speaker 1: first round. Why is he not playing? I want to

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on that when we come back.

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Speaker 3: we saw against the Eagles? Was it a trend? One

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Speaker 3: thing I do appreciate about well, not only do just

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Speaker 3: Tam and his breakdowns, but Bonix tends to.

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Speaker 1: We see growth.

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Speaker 3: It's not always linear, but we see growth from him

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Speaker 1: One way or another. There's something he tends.

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Speaker 6: I would agree with that. And every player you want

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Speaker 6: Positions because those dudes get tired when you play, get

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Speaker 1: You guys know the drill? Uh Tim? This last video, man,

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Speaker 6: Tim, this talk about the part of the game that

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't blame in one bit. I remember being.

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Speaker 5: don't think what we're seeing is a glimpse of talent.

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Speaker 5: I think what we're seeing is actual quarterback development and

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Speaker 5: playing within our offense, which is what we've always been missing.

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Speaker 5: Even when Russ came here, we would see, you know, hey,

445
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Speaker 5: Russ would extend something like, oh, wow, look at that glimp, Drew,

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Speaker 5: Oh look at that glimp. And I don't feel like

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Speaker 5: we've ever seen someone where it's like, man, look at

448
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Speaker 5: this sustained quarterback. Like we're just playing the quarterback position correctly.

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Speaker 5: And that's what the fourth core felt like, which to

450
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Speaker 5: me is where it's probably more exciting for me than

451
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Speaker 5: maybe a typical fan, because it's like, man, I see

452
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Speaker 5: how this is sustainable. This is hey, we can do

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Speaker 5: this actually every week. You can't make that Brown throw

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Speaker 5: every single week. Right, if you do, you're gonna end

455
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Speaker 5: up with ten touchdowns, ten I and T. Right, you

456
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Speaker 5: can't make that throw every week. But if we just

457
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Speaker 5: play quarterback the correct way from.

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Speaker 8: The pocket within the system.

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Speaker 5: That's we have a chance of sustaining excellence to that spot.

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Speaker 5: And if we can do that, we all know what

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Speaker 5: the Broncos defense and all these skill players can do,

462
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Speaker 5: which is they can go and win any game. So

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Speaker 5: as long as we have that play from the quarterback,

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Speaker 5: that's where I kind of feel excited about where this

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Speaker 5: team's trending.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 6: As far as the system standpoint, we know that Sean

468
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Speaker 6: paytnon has been with Drew Brees for a number of

469
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Speaker 6: years and we watched Fabrez really light it up.

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Speaker 2: Are there some things that you are seeing.

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Speaker 6: Or ready as some things that you're not seeing from

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Speaker 6: the scheme that Sean Payton could implement that can really

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Speaker 6: blow our doors off and really open things up for Bonicks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think we've really to be honest, I

475
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Speaker 5: don't think we've really scratched the surface on a ton

476
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Speaker 5: of those kind of downfield shots, right, not the true

477
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Speaker 5: shot play we see funny and stuff try to take

478
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Speaker 5: the roof off, But I mean those like twenty two

479
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Speaker 5: yard deep overs.

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Speaker 9: It was funny.

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Speaker 5: I was great down on the Broncos film.

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Speaker 8: I'm thinking to myself, Man, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, everybody knows I love Samurai. You know the posts

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Speaker 5: and deep over And then I'm like, man, we haven't

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Speaker 5: seen that in a while, right, It's.

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Speaker 8: Like it felt like every you know, it was almost

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Speaker 8: like weekly you felt.

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Speaker 5: Like New Orleans would dial it up with with Drew Brees.

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Speaker 8: So to me, it's like, I haven't seen a ton.

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Speaker 5: Of those where it's those downfield shots. I think a

491
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Speaker 5: lot of it, if we're being honest, they've solved the

492
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Speaker 5: last two weeks, and the fact that those are really hard.

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Speaker 5: It's easier to scheme up a play action true shot

494
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Speaker 5: down the field then those deep overs if you're running

495
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Speaker 5: games not great, right, Because if your running games not great,

496
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Speaker 5: you really don't get that full buy in from the backers.

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Speaker 5: And you guys know, backers are athletic now enough to

498
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Speaker 5: where or nowadays are athletic enough they just go get

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Speaker 5: underneath it and ay, the play's dead. So I think

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Speaker 5: we're finally seeing, oh, our running games come and live

501
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Speaker 5: enough to where we will see that element of the offense.

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Speaker 5: And then I do want to get a little bit

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Speaker 5: more exotic in the screen game. I said this last time, Azon,

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Speaker 5: but to me, some of those.

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Speaker 8: Play actions where it looks like you're taking.

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Speaker 5: A shot and you get it back to your back

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Speaker 5: on screen, I do want to see them involve the

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Speaker 5: backs a little bit more in the screen game because

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Speaker 5: I just think that's the easy way to slow up

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Speaker 5: the pass rush if I defend Sean and that standpoint,

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Speaker 5: I think they probably just haven't felt like they've needed it.

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Speaker 5: I think the lines did a pretty good job the

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Speaker 5: last few weeks of really just blocking stuff up. We

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Speaker 5: had one run through on like a te but that's

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Speaker 5: going to happen. So to me, that's where I kind

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Speaker 5: of want to see us go long term, as we

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Speaker 5: see some more blitz and we see some more pressure.

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Speaker 5: But and I do think we'll get there because I

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Speaker 5: think the running game. Having a solid running game will

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Speaker 5: actually help both of those components of the scheme come alive.

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Speaker 3: Last one I have for you Tim Jenkin and Tim

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Speaker 3: Jenkins joining us here on Ko Sports So is there

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Speaker 3: something you saw specifically in this last game on why

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Speaker 3: bone Nicks started to feel more comfortable in the fourth

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Speaker 3: quarter after struggling and struggling feels strong, but after not

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Speaker 3: being as prolific if you will, to the first three quarters.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, you know, if you're if I'm being.

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Speaker 5: Honest with you, I didn't. There wasn't anything that all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden switched for me.

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Speaker 8: It just felt like our offen tip.

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Speaker 5: You know, it became more rhythmic, and I know that's

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Speaker 5: just you know, people are like, well, what the heck

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Speaker 5: does that mean? And it's kind of hard to explain

534
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Speaker 5: because it's, hey, we didn't have negative runs. We didn't

535
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden have a penalty on a drive week,

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Speaker 5: we didn't miss somebody, you know, Bo had a couple

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Speaker 5: where it's just like he missed on the throat. We

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Speaker 5: didn't have that. And then if you don't have the negatives,

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Speaker 5: of course it's easier to sustain to drive. So to me,

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Speaker 5: it was more or less like but think, if you

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Speaker 5: were going to write the story, it's like the Broncos

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Speaker 5: offense shot themselves in the foot for three quarters and

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Speaker 5: then they came out and.

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Speaker 8: Did probably what they should have been doing.

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Speaker 5: The whole game. Which is even more exciting piece of

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Speaker 5: this is imagine if they would have just done that

547
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Speaker 5: the whole game and all of a sudden they routed

548
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Speaker 5: the Eagles right, how would people be feeling right now?

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Speaker 5: So to me, it's I just feel like we were

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Speaker 5: shooting ourselves in the foot, and then we kind of

551
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Speaker 5: stopped doing it, and all of a sudden you get

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Speaker 5: some positive plays, and I do think bo you know,

553
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Speaker 5: you could say, hey, he was more accurate at the football.

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Speaker 5: That's obvious, right he was. You know, he's not a

555
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Speaker 5: couple of bad misses early on. So to me, that

556
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Speaker 5: and then obviously he stopped taking sacks in the critical

557
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Speaker 5: situations that bump you out of field goal range. So

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Speaker 5: I just think a combination of, hey, we really stopped

559
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Speaker 5: playing bad football, right, Like as lame as that is

560
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Speaker 5: to say, it's just what it was. Where it was

561
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Speaker 5: we stopped shooting ourselves in the foot, we started getting

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Speaker 5: positive plays on every down. The next thing you know,

563
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Speaker 5: you're in the end zone, you know, two three times,

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Speaker 5: then you beat the reigning world champs.

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Speaker 6: Well, the biggest thing for me, being a defensive player,

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Speaker 6: would be kind of odd to everyone else, and it's

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Speaker 6: focusing on the quarterbacks footwork, and for me, from my

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Speaker 6: particular standpoint is a defensive guy. I just saw ways

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Speaker 6: that Bo could possibly improve, and Ryan talked about it before.

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Speaker 6: Every single game has to be somewhat of an improvement

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Speaker 6: for the player. So how have you in looking at

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Speaker 6: Bo's footwork? How has it improved? If you feel that way,

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Speaker 6: or boy, if you think that is kind of falling

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Speaker 6: back and is deteriorating, what more did he needs to

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Speaker 6: do to kind of clean those things up?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can tell his feeder tied to the scheme more.

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Speaker 5: And I mean that generally is this year compared to

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Speaker 5: last year. I think last year obviously he was probably

579
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Speaker 5: swimming in the playbook, right. This year's starting to get

580
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Speaker 5: more comfortable with it. I tell you, it's a phantom climbs.

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Speaker 5: You know, we've talked about it a couple of times

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Speaker 5: where there's times where it's like the pocket's clean ish, right.

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Speaker 5: The pocket's never perfect, but it's clean ish. Right. We

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Speaker 5: can stay in it and he'll randomly climb up and

585
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Speaker 5: it's like he almost you know, jumps on our right

586
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Speaker 5: guards back and spins out and goes and does something

587
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Speaker 5: makes the play right. We don't want to see those.

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Speaker 5: We want to see him navigate the.

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Speaker 8: Pocket calmly, and I think we saw that more.

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Speaker 5: Like I said, I think we've probably had two phantom

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Speaker 5: climbs this week compared to where it's been you know,

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Speaker 5: six or eight or you.

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Speaker 8: Know shoots even ten times in the past.

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Speaker 5: So to me, that's where he's cleaned up his feet.

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Speaker 5: As he continues on that this offense is just going

596
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Speaker 5: to get even more efficient. But to me, if he

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Speaker 5: can he can navigate the pocket correctly in those phantom climbs,

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Speaker 5: his general footwork the terms of tiny feet to the progression,

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00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 5: I think or dialed in to me, it's now just

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Speaker 5: that next step, which is navigating the pocket appropriately.

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Speaker 3: Tim. A quick question here on our text line, Tim,

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Speaker 3: how do you like our chances in London on a

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Speaker 3: scale of one to Jenkins Elite?

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Speaker 5: I think Jacobs leet's five stars, so four stars. I

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00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 5: feel good about it, and you guys know, of course,

606
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Speaker 5: I wager all my YouTube earnings every week money line

607
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Speaker 5: on a Broncos so I'll be in there with all

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Speaker 5: the fans, whether it's good or bad.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic, keep up a great work, my friend. Wonderful stuff

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Speaker 3: is always love the breakdowns. Everybody loves the breakdowns where

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Speaker 3: we appreciate the time.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys, all right.

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Speaker 3: Tim Jenkins at t Jenkins Elite on Twitter, All Things

614
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Speaker 3: QB on YouTube, really good stuff as always, and I

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Speaker 3: see like sometimes again Fantom is awesome and it's one

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Speaker 3: of the things I love about doing Broncos react after

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Speaker 3: the games, the visceral reaction, but sometimes there's if you

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Speaker 3: take a beat and then you get a chance to

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Speaker 3: watch some of the analysis of it. And I think

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Speaker 3: Tim has always been relatively fair. He's definitely on the

621
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Speaker 3: glass half full side of fair, and even when it

622
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Speaker 3: was Drew Locke or Russell Wilson, he was always trying

623
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Speaker 3: to find the.

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Speaker 1: Ways that they were improving.

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Speaker 3: But I don't feel like he's reaching as much with

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Speaker 3: bow Nick, so I feel like he's as level as

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Speaker 3: you can possibly get out there.

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Speaker 1: Again, maybe more glass half full on that level.

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Speaker 6: Well, for me, the idea is that just keep things real,

630
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Speaker 6: just keep it a buck, what is it that you're

631
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Speaker 6: seeing from your expert opinion, and just dial it up

632
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Speaker 6: and talk about it. Obviously, Like you mentioned that word fandom.

633
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 6: Fandom can be blinding sometimes and sometimes it has you

634
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Speaker 6: to forget things that you are actually seeing and dismiss

635
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Speaker 6: him as, oh, that's not really happening, and sometimes it

636
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 6: creates a level of frustration. But the idea is that

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Speaker 6: what is it that you're seeing? And as we're talking

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Speaker 6: about the situation with Bo, Bo is the quarterback of

639
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Speaker 6: the future, right, there's no guessing and whatever. It's not trivia,

640
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Speaker 6: but he is the guy. So it's about how do

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Speaker 6: you make his life easier? How do you get him

642
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 6: better to me? You do that, and the Broncos do

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Speaker 6: that by adding guys defensively.

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Speaker 2: Also the Broncos added RJ. Harvey and JK. Dobbins. Now

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00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: it's like, can you consistently give the ball to him?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 6: I don't know about two when Ben and I were

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Speaker 6: had burned down on Sunday, we didn't notice something on

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Speaker 6: Coach Payton's place sheet that was quite familiar that we've

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Speaker 6: seen before.

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Speaker 2: Right, he said, run it right.

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Speaker 6: And now it seems as though he is thinking more

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Speaker 6: to it it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just say don't just right on the.

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Speaker 6: Back of the place sheet, right on the front, right

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Speaker 6: on the side, right at the bottom right, it right.

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Speaker 2: In the middle.

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Speaker 6: It's just running a big bold letters like a Krispy

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Speaker 6: Kreme neon time because he's going to need to lean

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Speaker 6: on that run gay from here on now. And then

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Speaker 6: Dobbins is really proving that, Hey listen, he's willing to

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Speaker 6: carry a workload and when you get to him, he's

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Speaker 6: going to be productive.

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Speaker 2: So why not lean on it more?

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Speaker 6: It takes the pressure off a boat and I truly

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Speaker 6: believe that it just opens up the playbook.

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Speaker 3: Well you say all that, and I mean the team

668
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Speaker 3: you're playing this week gives up one hundred and forty

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Speaker 3: rushing yards per game, which is twenty seventh in the league.

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Speaker 1: So yes, you should probably run it this week.

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Speaker 6: And then now the question becomes, because I know you

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Speaker 6: like this. If Ben was in here, I know he

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Speaker 6: likes betting the numbers. So what's the over under? Because

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Speaker 6: so far the season, Jak Dobbins has gone over one

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Speaker 6: hundred yards once, just once, and the last player to

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Speaker 6: do that was in twenty twenty two the Tav's Murray, right,

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Speaker 6: who Champagne is quite familiar with.

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Speaker 2: So what's the over under that?

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Speaker 3: If you make it a prompt bet, Yeah, that on

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Speaker 3: Jk's numbers. Yes, you know, I haven't looked at that yet.

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Speaker 3: It's probably fifty or sixty yards. And most of the

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Speaker 3: time that that's unless you're one of the elite guys.

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Speaker 3: It's it's probably right that it might be a little

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Speaker 3: higher because of who the jets are.

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Speaker 1: I could see that.

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Speaker 3: But but you know, I'll tell you what, I will

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Speaker 3: look that up. Okay, even though at the top of

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Speaker 3: the are do want to talk about brothers defense.

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Speaker 1: Some more with you? Because you're here in studio and

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Speaker 1: you always accuse me of ignoring the defense.

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Speaker 2: That's never accused you.

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Speaker 6: I've never said Ryan Edwards continues not to talk about

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Speaker 6: the defense. I've never said that. I just said no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 6: I said those media types. Now, if you want to

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Speaker 6: put yourself in that mix, then hey, you just put

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Speaker 6: yourself in the bullseye.

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Speaker 3: You're just usually looking at me when you say those

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Speaker 3: media types.

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Speaker 2: That's all I have to look at too.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, So from now on, I'm gonna talk to you,

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Speaker 6: and I'm gonna look right out.

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Speaker 2: The mirror, right out the window.

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Speaker 6: Even better, I'm gonna look at Zack Segers when I

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Speaker 6: when I talk.

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Speaker 2: To you, is that Does that work for you? No,

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Speaker 2: it's weird exactly.

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Speaker 6: So I have been looking too, right, so I'm not

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Speaker 6: trying to put you in that groove.

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Speaker 1: We'll come back to a sixty eight point five is

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Speaker 1: the number? Thank you, Zach. I appreciate that we look

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Speaker 1: at a couple of games from this last weekend.

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Speaker 2: You sure you want me to look?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, for God's sake, let's start with

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00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: the Colts just mantling the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: Jones out of the gun, empty set three receivers stacked

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Speaker 5: to the right side.

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00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: Jones was left initially throws that way to.

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Speaker 2: Warn inside the five yes, first receding.

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Speaker 3: Matt Taylor the fan ninety seven to one. Hank FM,

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis on the call. My goodness, there's but womans and

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Speaker 3: then there's whatever this was as Not only did they

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Speaker 3: been forty to six, they're pulling starters. Anthony Richardson's in

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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter. That tells you everything you need

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Speaker 3: to know about what this game was. Now in parts

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Speaker 3: Cult Stretch a pretty good team. Also, the Raiders are

726
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: really that bad, and especially Gino Smith is really that bad?

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Speaker 1: Would you bitch Geno Smith if you were the Raiders.

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Speaker 6: No, Pete will not do that, because if Pete were

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Speaker 6: to do that, he would therefore be conceded because this

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Speaker 6: was kind of one of his moves, one of his

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Speaker 6: marquee moves when he got there.

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Speaker 2: But to me, when we.

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Speaker 6: Talk about this game, I think you got to talk

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Speaker 6: about Jonathan Taylor, right.

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Speaker 1: He is not one, not two, but three.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's dominating fantasy football. But also I mean,

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Speaker 6: could he be in that MVP race.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying he could as long as a quarterback

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Speaker 3: doesn't make it obvious.

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Speaker 1: This is a shrew man. Quarterbacks always get it.

741
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Speaker 2: They always do.

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Speaker 3: I know, I'm agreeing with you, man, he's having an

743
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Speaker 3: Offensive Player of the Year, though.

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Speaker 1: It is a really nice award.

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Speaker 3: Past one to Houston Texas.

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Speaker 2: All over the Ravens third and goal at the ten,

747
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Speaker 2: crowd calls for the ball.

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Speaker 1: Here's the snapper after look at firing over the middle and.

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Speaker 2: It's caught for a touchdown. Jo Stannico Collins for six.

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Speaker 3: Mark vandermir Texas Radio and Sports Radio six' ten and

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Speaker 3: congratulations to. C. J stroud two hundred and forty four passing,

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Speaker 3: yards four passing. Touchdowns The texans are broken and.

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Speaker 1: You need to play The ravens every single. Week you

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Speaker 1: want A Fc player of The week.

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Speaker 2: Too, wow only if you could play The ravens.

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Speaker 1: Defense Take, stafford fire up Best stafford this. Week i'm just, saying.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy what has happened to This Baltimore ravens.

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Speaker 6: Team i'm not just talking About Lamar jackson being, injured

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Speaker 6: but the fact that they can't really stop. Anyone great

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Speaker 6: job by The texans and my former Teammate.

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Speaker 1: Demiko Rant, yes, indeed great.

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Speaker 3: Job it was a great weekend for THE Afc, west

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Speaker 3: for The broncos because you, Know washington's also very.

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Speaker 2: Good here's the snap To daniels who froze it up

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Speaker 2: to the back of the.

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Speaker 7: Upboad he's got a what.

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Speaker 2: Put The charger?

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Speaker 3: Wow Rad Weinstein London fletcher talked in the Background big

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Speaker 3: one hundred The Washington Commanders radio. Network chargers got off

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Speaker 3: to a ten nothing lead in the first quarter and

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Speaker 3: then it Was washington the rest of the. WAY o

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Speaker 3: Marion en hands it out for the rest of the.

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Speaker 3: Season well, no, right at least the next four weeks

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Speaker 3: may come. Back excive you all a. Little while they're

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Speaker 3: down a couple offensive lineman they're as.

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Speaker 1: Banged up as he.

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Speaker 3: Gets AND i don't know for The chargers who have

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00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: lost two straight in a, row it feels like bad.

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Speaker 6: Times it is bad, time and you know coach hardbad

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Speaker 6: is gonna have to manage these. Injuries SO i would

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Speaker 6: say that he should Call Kyle shanahan Because Kyle shanahan

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Speaker 6: has multiple years of experienced dealing with multiple. Injuries BUT

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Speaker 6: i feel sorry for it For Justin herbert because he's

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Speaker 6: taking it on the chin and then the sayers and

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Speaker 6: deepondits are criticizing.

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Speaker 3: Him they Are as we run out THE Afc, WEST

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Speaker 3: i love The chiefs losing first and goal at The

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Speaker 3: Kansas City one under center is Once let's snap.

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Speaker 9: Pot tell down as he pulled away next to Touchdown touchstowne.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Kevin Harlan westwood. ONE i Think Chris jones is

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Speaker 3: still standing there at the goal.

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Speaker 6: Line, YEAH i, mean that was the most bizarre thing

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Speaker 6: that stood out to.

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Speaker 2: Me Chris, jones.

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Speaker 6: For all he is has been for that, defense he

796
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 6: was the marquee player and he was just standing around

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00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 6: like he was a kid in the sandbox and someone

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Speaker 6: took his talking.

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Speaker 3: Truck best seeing in the house, Though, yeah he watched

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Speaker 3: that game.

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Speaker 2: Injury, yes it made you. Wonder he Had Trevor lawrence

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Speaker 2: on his. Face, Oh i'm just, asking, well.

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Speaker 1: At least you're accusing him of. GAMBLING i would never do.

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Speaker 6: That.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, finally The Dallas cowboys beating up on The broncos,

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Speaker 3: opponents The New York.

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Speaker 1: Jets hears first, down say, pitch go and, date there's

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Speaker 1: a shot For. Pickens he got, pushed.

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Speaker 6: He talked the ball to the.

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Speaker 3: Post, touchdown The pickings beggar dagger indeed ONE o five

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Speaker 3: three of the. Fan The Dallas cowboys radio, Network Brad

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Speaker 3: sham doing a great job as, Always so this was

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Speaker 3: a bit of a laugher at halftime and like the

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Speaker 3: final minute in change of the first, Half dallas scored two,

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Speaker 3: touchdowns and at least on the second one they were

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00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: really just trying to run out the, clock but they

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Speaker 3: Allowed Javonte williams free for like a sixty six yard.

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Speaker 3: Run and at that, POINT i, mean, listen if you're

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Speaker 3: just gonna give it to, us we're getting wide open.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown they even. Play there's like nineteen, seconds ten. Seconds

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Speaker 3: dallas had no, timeouts and The jets played it as

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Speaker 3: Though dallas might run it on the goal line and potentially.

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Speaker 1: Run out the.

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Speaker 3: Clock so you know you got a wide open tight

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Speaker 3: end there in the flat and you know you need

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Speaker 3: a touchdown. There so it was a twenty three to

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Speaker 3: three at, half and, yeah it was a bit of a.

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Speaker 2: Laugher so this.

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Speaker 6: Tells me that The broncos should not only run the

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Speaker 6: ball well On sunday against.

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Speaker 2: The jets that DARE i say? It could it be

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Speaker 2: a tight ends? Week, yeah the tight ends get. Involved.

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00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 3: Yeah jahante had sixteen carries for a bucks thirty. Five,

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Speaker 3: yes and they didn't play him a lot in the

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Speaker 3: fourth they need.

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Speaker 2: To And jason had two.

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Speaker 3: Tudies, Yeah and the fact that this was thirty seven

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Speaker 3: to twenty two doesn't really tell the. Story The jets

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Speaker 3: scored a bunch of garbage time, stuff fantasy, stuff love

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Speaker 3: that for people that needed, it completely meaningless to the

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Speaker 3: overall score of this game.

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00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 6: Meaningless but a coach would tell you that show that

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00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 6: show we had, fight we didn't give.

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Speaker 2: Up, yeah, yes we're, manly we have hair on our.

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Speaker 1: Chest, yeah, yes that's what coaches.

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Speaker 2: Do, well we lost, Anyway.

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Speaker 3: They they're manly and they hit their players all. Right

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Speaker 3: when we come. Back speaking of that thing that happened In,

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Speaker 3: ARIZONA i do want to talk a little about. That,

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Speaker 3: plus we gott give us some love to The broncos

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Speaker 3: defense Because Nick ferguson is.

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Speaker 1: Here we'll do that next