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Speaker 2: Very sad and horrible story here. As you know, we
Speaker 2: had a casualty on New Year's Day, the first shooting
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six, and it happened to be an
Speaker 2: eleven year old girl who was committing the deadly sin
Speaker 2: in areas since in some aria of Cincinnati of actually
Speaker 2: playing at a playground. That's a horrible story in a
Speaker 2: horrible way, horrible thing for any parent or grandparent or
Speaker 2: family member to go through, but especially on a New
Speaker 2: Year's Day with a child who just celebrated Christmas. So
Speaker 2: another shooting at or near Laurel Playground on the West End,
Speaker 2: if you go back a couple of years, there's a
Speaker 2: promise to put more cameras up, and cameras are on
Speaker 2: us specifically in that area because there have been shootings
Speaker 2: and kids being struck, and the inquirers of Scott Warpman
Speaker 2: reported the stories when being confusion and contradictions, lack of accountability.
Speaker 2: If you budgeted the money council did to put those
Speaker 2: cameras up, how come the cameras aren't up? That is
Speaker 2: a good question. She sits on public Safety, the Committee
Speaker 2: of Public Safety, and that would be council member. And
Speaker 2: I'll be on the Scott Slane Show this morning on
Speaker 2: seven hundred deble Ota and a happy new year.
Speaker 3: How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the mayor said we will spare
Speaker 2: nothing to put a stop to this after the shooting
Speaker 2: death of this eleven year old, and it sounds like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's again more important things to say, more
Speaker 2: things to say, and giving lip service to this. But
Speaker 2: if two years ago you on council approved one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars for cameras to go up in
Speaker 2: the West End as part of that four and a
Speaker 2: half million dollar public safety package, what's going on the
Speaker 2: camera's up?
Speaker 4: I wish I had a better answer for you, but
Speaker 4: it appears that there's still work to be done to
Speaker 4: get those dollars out the door and those cameras installed. So,
Speaker 4: just to set a little bit of context through listeners,
Speaker 4: in early September, city Council past a five point four
Speaker 4: million dollar public safety package. It's part of that there
Speaker 4: are a bunch of different things, which included one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty thousand dollars specifically for cameras in the West.
Speaker 4: And additionally, there was another one point two million that
Speaker 4: was meant to be for lighting and cameras broadly city wide.
Speaker 4: And those are two line items in that bill that
Speaker 4: I was personally very passionate about because while we know
Speaker 4: sometimes you know, cameras can't stop a crime necessarily, it
Speaker 4: sure makes it a lot easier to solve the crime,
Speaker 4: and in this case, to apprehend a killer, someone who
Speaker 4: shot and killed an eleven year old on.
Speaker 3: New Year's Day.
Speaker 4: So this is a moment of urgency for myself, for
Speaker 4: my colleagues, and the mayor and the city manager. We
Speaker 4: are all eager to get those dollars out the door.
Speaker 4: And frankly, we're looking to CPD at this moment.
Speaker 3: You know, those.
Speaker 4: Dollars, those at one hundred and fifty thousand for Western cameras,
Speaker 4: sits within the police budget, and we need to get
Speaker 4: those dollars.
Speaker 3: Out the door.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that was September of last year. I mean,
Speaker 2: here we are in January. Should it take that long?
Speaker 4: No, it absolutely should not, and I think everyone should be.
Speaker 3: Mad that it has.
Speaker 4: We should be able to move a lot, especially since
Speaker 4: you know, council pass that that package at five point
Speaker 4: four million with the urgency of responding to the moment
Speaker 4: over the summer when we had.
Speaker 3: A series of incidents as well.
Speaker 4: So if we're moving with urgency, we should expect that
Speaker 4: of every single person administration, including some size police. Right
Speaker 4: we are trying to make it easier to prevent crime
Speaker 4: and solve crimes that are happening. So those dollars are
Speaker 4: sitting there. My understanding is we need to get with
Speaker 4: some business owners so we can have permission to put
Speaker 4: cameras on their property. So you know, my ask is,
Speaker 4: if you are a business owner in that area and
Speaker 4: you are willing to have a camera or lights put
Speaker 4: on your building, email my office let me know and
Speaker 4: I will make sure since I Police reaches out to
Speaker 4: you as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'd imagine there isn't a business owner down
Speaker 2: there that wouldn't go, yeah, I'd love a camera up,
Speaker 2: no problem, because it affects their quality of life, their business,
Speaker 2: their bottom line with this crime continuing, and you know
Speaker 2: it's I guess it's going to take a little bit
Speaker 2: of time, but it seems reasonable to have this done
Speaker 2: at least by the first of the year, for sure.
Speaker 2: And it's not the first time we've had a shooting
Speaker 2: or violent crime happen around this playground, for God's sakes,
Speaker 2: And now the end result is because of I don't know,
Speaker 2: lack of accountability or confusion, contradiction or incompetence or a
Speaker 2: combination of all of those. You have an eleven year old.
Speaker 2: It's dead. There's literally bloods blood on the hands of
Speaker 2: elected officials because of the lack of movement on this project.
Speaker 4: You are not wrong that we need to move faster.
Speaker 4: I completely agree with the urgency of the moment. You know,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of questions. You know, the council
Speaker 4: is asking around why these dollars haven't moved faster. And
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you know, actually we
Speaker 4: cannot turn back time, which is a heartbreaking reality. So
Speaker 4: from this moment on, it's what can we do going forward?
Speaker 4: And to me, it's the camera as well as lighting.
Speaker 3: I went down to.
Speaker 4: That playground for the balloon release of the Little Girl
Speaker 4: and you know, it was round five o'clock, stayed there
Speaker 4: until after six, So, right, is the sun setting and
Speaker 4: it's dark. It is not lit there and we know
Speaker 4: that you know, places that are well lit, especially ones
Speaker 4: where kids are going to be playing. You know, early
Speaker 4: evening six o'clock is not that late, but then the
Speaker 4: middle of winter it's dark out right. We need to
Speaker 4: have these spaces well lit so that they are states
Speaker 4: and then you pair that with the cameras to make
Speaker 4: sure that there's that monitoring there.
Speaker 3: And that's what we need.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you right now, all council, the mayor
Speaker 4: or even the city manager, we are all moving on
Speaker 4: this with complete urgency. So again my ask is if
Speaker 4: you have owned property in that area and you're willing
Speaker 4: to raise your hand and have a camera or have lighting,
Speaker 4: reach out to me my office. I'm Anna dot Albi
Speaker 4: at cincinnatidshoh dot gov, and I will get you in
Speaker 4: contact with Cincinnati Police because at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like we need a police out there, and if that
Speaker 4: means going door to door and knocking and asking who's
Speaker 4: willing to do this, like it's time to do that work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean two years ago, three well three now
Speaker 2: we had Dominic Davis killed another eleven year old all
Speaker 2: the same place ground right, and you know, okay, now,
Speaker 2: let's get this thing fast tracked. It took till September
Speaker 2: of last year for you to allocate one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars for the camera expansion. We spend a
Speaker 2: ton of money based on the crime that's happening downtown,
Speaker 2: on public safety. From a council person's position, an alby,
Speaker 2: do you look at it going Okay, well we order
Speaker 2: the money, here's the money, we're going to appropriate it.
Speaker 2: And then do you just move on to the next thing.
Speaker 2: And then it's not finger pointing at you or council
Speaker 2: for that matter. About a simmer Fire council member, I
Speaker 2: would think we voted and passed something, hand that off
Speaker 2: to the city manager, the mayor's office or whoever the
Speaker 2: police department, that there's going to be action on this.
Speaker 2: Should you have to follow up on everything you guys appropriated.
Speaker 2: From a funny perspective, hey.
Speaker 3: I'm not here to dodge blamee. I'm really not.
Speaker 4: But typically one council does the voting and the allocating.
Speaker 3: That is our part of the job.
Speaker 4: We have a city manager former government, and we have
Speaker 4: you know, in this case it's the police chief, but
Speaker 4: in other departments it's directors. Right, We have a city
Speaker 4: in theministration, whose job then is to then execute on
Speaker 4: what we have allocated the vision. Right, So that's typically
Speaker 4: how it goes. Now in this situation, right, the buck
Speaker 4: stops with us elected. So I am not going to
Speaker 4: dodge the responsibility that I can, and I will be
Speaker 4: doing a better job checking in and making sure those
Speaker 4: dollars are out the door. In fact, you know, right
Speaker 4: before Christmas, I had multiple people ask me about the
Speaker 4: Fusist camera technology, which allows private camera owners to kind
Speaker 4: of connect their feed in with Cincinni Police. My people
Speaker 4: come up being like, hey, we want to do this,
Speaker 4: but we have no idea how So I literally got
Speaker 4: an email on Christmas Eve back from the assistancity manager
Speaker 4: being like, oh, yeah, the funds are there, and you
Speaker 4: know what, I should have followed up them and be
Speaker 4: like great, we need to do more. So you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to duck and dodge responsibility. Yes, it's
Speaker 4: true that typically when council allocates the dollars and puts
Speaker 4: for the vision, it's them the administration's job to execute.
Speaker 4: But in this case, when it's life or death, I'm
Speaker 4: going to get my hands dirty and make sure we're
Speaker 4: in there. Making sure that we get those cameras up, up,
Speaker 4: gets better in lighting. Those are all urgent, immediate actions.
Speaker 2: Okay, And I think that has respect you for that
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, listen, you know I we passed uff.
Speaker 2: It's up to someone else to make sure it's the
Speaker 2: plant is executed. It doesn't seem fair that you'd have
Speaker 2: to go back and make sure that people follow your orders.
Speaker 2: So and you're saying, okay, the buck stops with us elected.
Speaker 2: I get that. I appreciate that, But where's the weak
Speaker 2: link here? Who's dropping the ball, who's not doing their
Speaker 2: job to make sure this money is being spent in
Speaker 2: those cameras being put up? Who is that on the
Speaker 2: city manager?
Speaker 3: That's a fair question. I'll say.
Speaker 4: You know, my dad owned a business for forty years
Speaker 4: and he had a problem solving process and it first
Speaker 4: started with solved the problem in hand. So the first
Speaker 4: step here is to solve the problem. So how do
Speaker 4: we get those cameras up? How do we get the
Speaker 4: lights installed? So once we solve the problem, we can
Speaker 4: go back and analyze what went wrong. But I'm here
Speaker 4: in the immediate moment, which is let's get these up,
Speaker 4: and in fact, just yesterday coming out of kind of
Speaker 4: a meeting with CPD and I think the City Manager's
Speaker 4: office we got a camera tower with lights into Laurel Playground,
Speaker 4: into that park area, right, So we are in the
Speaker 4: moment where we are solving the problem and we can
Speaker 4: go back and analyze after it's taken care of.
Speaker 2: I hope there is, because someone shouldn't have to be
Speaker 2: covered in this whole thing. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 2: to speak out of turn because I don't know the
Speaker 2: anal workings, but it seems like once you approved that
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, it goes to the
Speaker 2: city manager and then to the police department as well.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine the cops don't want to get those
Speaker 2: cameras up. It helps them do their job. Is the
Speaker 2: week length the City Manager's office?
Speaker 4: No, those dollars are in Cincinnati Police budget, so they're
Speaker 4: now fully under Sincinnati Police. Okay, area, So now I
Speaker 4: don't know the bureaucracy within the police department well enough
Speaker 4: to know who's the person doing outreach to those business owners, right.
Speaker 4: So again, I'm not in the spot at this moment
Speaker 4: where I'm trying to pick apart who's exact fault. I'm
Speaker 4: in a situation now where it's saying, Okay, how do
Speaker 4: we fix it?
Speaker 3: How do we want to forward?
Speaker 4: You know, So that's that's my priority at the moment.
Speaker 2: Now it might be becau because of the you know,
Speaker 2: the confusion after Chief Fiji. I mean, when you don't
Speaker 2: have a direct leader, you've got an interim chief. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of confusion, a lot of people looking
Speaker 2: over their shoulder and there. Do you think that contributed this?
Speaker 4: I hope not.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't.
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know the inner workings of since my
Speaker 4: police bureaucracy not my area of expertise. But again, at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, right, we know that there's
Speaker 4: this problem, and if there are people in the West End,
Speaker 4: and I know the community Council has been kind of
Speaker 4: speaking a little bit about trying to get these cameras
Speaker 4: up as well, So email me. I will be that
Speaker 4: connector at this moment and make sure we get this done.
Speaker 4: We need to push hard at this moment. And it's
Speaker 4: not just this one one park, right, I firmly believe
Speaker 4: all of these play spaces that are supposed to be
Speaker 4: for kids, we need to make sure that they are
Speaker 4: well lit, have those cameras so that kids can be outside. Right,
Speaker 4: It is every mother's grandmother's parents worst nightmare to have
Speaker 4: their life year old shot and kill well filming TikTok
Speaker 4: videos and playing in the park. Like how horrific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're an eleven year if you're a kid
Speaker 2: and can't be safe in a public park, I don't
Speaker 2: have an answer for that. I especially what angers I
Speaker 2: think everyone listening, Anna, i'llbe is the fact that we
Speaker 2: had an eleven year old shot and killed two years ago,
Speaker 2: and here we are again doing the same thing over
Speaker 2: and over. And when you talk to the city manager
Speaker 2: or the police department, they can't answer basic questions about
Speaker 2: whether or not the cameras that you guys ordered in
Speaker 2: September have been put up or not. We don't even
Speaker 2: know if they even do we know they even have
Speaker 2: any footage whatsoever of what transpired on New Year's Day.
Speaker 4: I know there is a camera in the area, I
Speaker 4: don't know more than that. I would kind of have
Speaker 4: to direct questions back to the police communications. You know,
Speaker 4: leader there again, this is clearly a breakdown and kind
Speaker 4: of getting dollars out the door and Frankly, this is
Speaker 4: a problem we have across the board with different city
Speaker 4: you know, initiatives, Right, Council allocates doll and then it
Speaker 4: can take weeks, months, maybe you know, longer, to get
Speaker 4: dollars out the door for projects. So when we think
Speaker 4: about making government work for people, it's got to be
Speaker 4: a priority for us to cut through that red tape
Speaker 4: so we can actually get the work done. And so
Speaker 4: that's something I'm going to be focusing on hard this
Speaker 4: next term. The second term here is Okay, we can
Speaker 4: have all the great intentions in the world, but if
Speaker 4: we can't get dollars out the door to get think
Speaker 4: initiatives up and running, intentions don't matter for anything, right,
Speaker 4: So we've got to be able to cut through the
Speaker 4: red tape and make government work for people.
Speaker 3: Right. Our residents should.
Speaker 4: Absolutely expect that if Council allocates dollars for cameras, those
Speaker 4: cameras get up and I again will take responsibility for that.
Speaker 4: We've got to be able to work faster and get
Speaker 4: things out the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But in all fairness to you, Anna Albe and
Speaker 2: other members Accouncil, whether it's Mark Jefferies or Seth Walsh
Speaker 2: or Scottie Johnson. The fact of the matter is you
Speaker 2: shouldn't have to follow about everything you guys passed to
Speaker 2: make sure it's actually getting executed. And I hope and
Speaker 2: I think the public deserves quite honestly, and no more
Speaker 2: so than those in the West End, because you know,
Speaker 2: we're told two and a half years ago, after the
Speaker 2: first eleven year old was shot to death, that this
Speaker 2: is intolerable, it's not going to happen, and we have
Speaker 2: yet another death, the same age, same situation, same location
Speaker 2: of something that we told. We're told two and a
Speaker 2: half years ago that this isn't going to happen again.
Speaker 2: We're going to put the cameras up, and the cameras
Speaker 2: aren't up. And I think the public demands that. I
Speaker 2: think they deserve to know where the problem was. And
Speaker 2: you know, I know generally folks like yourself don't want
Speaker 2: to out others, but I think the public deserves that,
Speaker 2: because if I'm in the West End right now and
Speaker 2: you're telling me, and the mayor goes, hey, look we
Speaker 2: were after this one. We'll spare nothing to put a
Speaker 2: stop to this whole thing. Well you said that two
Speaker 2: and a half years ago, and now we got another
Speaker 2: baby dead. I think we deserve to know what went wrong,
Speaker 2: where the fault was, what happened, and why it didn't happen.
Speaker 2: And not only that, I think an apologies in order
Speaker 2: for those in the West End, and specifically if you're
Speaker 2: West End resident, I is it fair for someone to go, Look,
Speaker 2: I just don't trust you guys anymore. This is twice now.
Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking, right, And I know nothing I'm going to
Speaker 4: say to you is going to make a difference to
Speaker 4: the family, right, I know it, But I think you're
Speaker 4: absolutely correct. We need, frankly, a full audit of that
Speaker 4: entire five point four million dollars. We need to know
Speaker 4: how many of those dollars are off the door, what
Speaker 4: programs and processes are.
Speaker 3: Up and running because of it.
Speaker 4: I believe, but don't quote me on it, that this
Speaker 4: month or early next month, the Assistant City Manager over
Speaker 4: Public Safety APM. Bersina was going to come in and give
Speaker 4: us kind of a report out on those dollars. So
Speaker 4: if that's not on the agenda yet, I'm going to
Speaker 4: be pushing Public Safety Chare Council Number Johnson to make
Speaker 4: sure we do get that full audit and report out
Speaker 4: about where those dollars were, because I know last time
Speaker 4: I talked to this assystem city manager, it was slow
Speaker 4: to get dollars out the door, which again speaks to
Speaker 4: the broader process of how hard it is to cut
Speaker 4: through the red tape.
Speaker 3: You know, how tedious our pecurement processes are.
Speaker 4: All of that. So we've got to be able to
Speaker 4: work faster, especially in these urgent, critical life and death moments.
Speaker 4: So I one hundred percent agree we we counsel you.
Speaker 4: The public deserve a full readout of how that five
Speaker 4: point four million dollars has been spent already or what
Speaker 4: needs to still be get out the door and implemented.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so this is one hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars of the five point four million that was allocated
Speaker 2: in September for public safety. That's a small percentage. I'm
Speaker 2: not smart enough to do that math off the top
Speaker 2: of my head without a calculator and a slide rule
Speaker 2: and an advocacy and all, but you probably are. But
Speaker 2: I look at this and go, okay, well, if we
Speaker 2: don't know how the one hundred and fifty was spent,
Speaker 2: how can we trust that the other five five point
Speaker 2: four and change is being spent properly. You have to
Speaker 2: go back and literally look and make sure every dollar
Speaker 2: that you guys allocated is being spent properly or at
Speaker 2: the very least the plan's been implemented. I mean, who
Speaker 2: the hell has that kind of time to follow up.
Speaker 4: And that's where we are at the moment, to be honest,
Speaker 4: and I don't think I don't want to be careful
Speaker 4: with language. It's not being spent properly.
Speaker 3: Dollars are not being improperly spent, right.
Speaker 4: It's a matter of getting through the red tape and
Speaker 4: the governmental procedures to actually get dollars out the door, right.
Speaker 4: And that's so I don't want people thinking that there's
Speaker 4: dollars going missing or anything like that. That's not what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It's just that Minnesota, for god's sakes, it's Cincinnati, okay.
Speaker 4: I just I want to be really careful with my
Speaker 4: language there. I don't want anyone to think something the
Speaker 4: farious is happening. It's just a matter of cutting through
Speaker 4: you know, processes here and get dollars.
Speaker 3: Out the door.
Speaker 4: So yeah, again, we need to get an update from
Speaker 4: the city administration, whether that's the pe interim police chief
Speaker 4: coming in and giving a report out about how those
Speaker 4: dollars that were allocated to since my police because a
Speaker 4: big chunk of that five point four million, and I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I don't have the list in front of me was
Speaker 4: to police over time and other you know, police functions,
Speaker 4: including these cameras.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Some of that also was for department transportation getting lighting
Speaker 4: up around the city. You know, there is other technology
Speaker 4: in there like the drones expansion and fusis and license
Speaker 4: plate readers. Right, we do need to know where we
Speaker 4: are on that securement process. You know, our contracts signed,
Speaker 4: Have we you know, signed the check our dollars out
Speaker 4: the door? Have things been implemented? So you know, I
Speaker 4: am looking now to the city administration for that complete rundown,
Speaker 4: whether that's from the city manager's offic or from the
Speaker 4: department heads or in this case the interim police chief
Speaker 4: to know exactly where those dollars are and have they
Speaker 4: been spent yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Once again, we have I think
Speaker 2: the biggest issue facing our government here locally, and I'll
Speaker 2: be is transparency and accountability, and those two things we
Speaker 2: get failed yet again. And this is I don't have
Speaker 2: enough fingers and toes to count how many times I've
Speaker 2: felt have had that feeling. And I'm sure people listening
Speaker 2: also going where's the accountability? Where's responsibility when you can't
Speaker 2: fulfill basic open records requests I mean, Scott Warman, the
Speaker 2: inquirement to try to figure this out. No one has
Speaker 2: any answers about how many cameras are up, which ones
Speaker 2: are working, where the money went, if it was spent,
Speaker 2: where the documentary. No one knows anything. That's not a
Speaker 2: good look for city government. And I know you're part
Speaker 2: of the solution, not the problem, and you're a good again.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on the show this morning, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for the time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: And again for everyone listening, I want them to walk
Speaker 4: away understanding that this council, of this mayor the city manager,
Speaker 4: who frankly has lost a member for family, two gun virons,
Speaker 4: we are all committed to making things right, making things better,
Speaker 4: making sure people feel safe, and this is an overfixed tragedy,
Speaker 4: and I feel the heartbreak, and you know, my heart
Speaker 4: really goes out to the family and everyone in the
Speaker 4: community is acted.
Speaker 2: All right and all the best, and thanks again, for
Speaker 2: joining me.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, take care all.
Speaker 2: Right, council member, and I'll be sitting on public safety.
Speaker 6: And you heard it here.
Speaker 2: How many times you say a red tape, red tape,
Speaker 2: red tape and yet the mayor, we will spare nothing
Speaker 2: to put a stop to this. And you could have
Speaker 2: prevented this. And I think the blood is on the
Speaker 2: hands of I don't know. It could be the police,
Speaker 2: it could be the city manager's office, could be another
Speaker 2: entity in there, but damn it for once, how about
Speaker 2: some accountability. How about hey, here's where the weak link
Speaker 2: was and name names instead of because if not, you
Speaker 2: just continue to create the same pattern over and over again.
Speaker 2: And that is in competence, That is a lack of
Speaker 2: transparency and account of There's got to be some accountability
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Speaker 2: with council Member Anna Olby. If you missed, it'll be
Speaker 2: on the podcast after the show. Great conversation and she
Speaker 2: didn't pull too many punches here. She is as outrage
Speaker 2: to the rest of us that we had yet another
Speaker 2: eleven year old shot at West End Playground where two
Speaker 2: and a half years ago we were told it's insufferable,
Speaker 2: it's going to stop because we are going to do
Speaker 2: something about this, and council spend one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: million dollars from more cameras in that area. Not that
Speaker 2: cameras would stop crime, but from what I understand, there
Speaker 2: may be one camera, one camera up there and maybe
Speaker 2: or maybe they don't have evidence. And after what happened
Speaker 2: with the eleven year old the boy by then, but
Speaker 2: Dominic Davis, we had on New Year's Day an eleven
Speaker 2: year old girl shot at same playground and there have
Speaker 2: been many shootings in and around that same area over
Speaker 2: the years. We were told by the mayor that he's
Speaker 2: going to spare nothing instead of put to put a
Speaker 2: stop to this. But council already did their job. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much more you can hold members of
Speaker 2: council be it Scottie Johnson, be it, Anna alb be it,
Speaker 2: Seth Walsh, be it, Mark Jefferys, Jeff kramer Ding. I
Speaker 2: can go on and on once they appropriate the money
Speaker 2: and say here, here's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: specific for cameras in the West End. I don't how
Speaker 2: many cameras that gets you, but probably a few cameras
Speaker 2: as part of a five point four million dollars spend
Speaker 2: on public safety, which has been ignored now for many administrations.
Speaker 2: It's not a have to ad purevol's fault necessarily that
Speaker 2: you know, we weren't spending money in previous administrations and
Speaker 2: putting that emphasis on preventing crime or catching those responsible
Speaker 2: or committing crime, making it easier for the cops to
Speaker 2: do their job. I can't help but think that the
Speaker 2: police certainly would have loved to have those cameras up.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's because again we're back to this this cluster,
Speaker 2: you know what, because you fire Thiji and you've got
Speaker 2: an interim chief and he's still them. Know, we're going
Speaker 2: to continue investigating as to why we fired her in
Speaker 2: the first place. We need we need more time to
Speaker 2: make a case as to why we fired her.
Speaker 6: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to continue the investigation of why we
Speaker 2: fired the chief last year into the new year. Does
Speaker 2: that make sense? Doesn't make any sense to me either,
Speaker 2: And it's really not an indictment of the interim chief.
Speaker 2: At this point. You just wonder if that's not exacerbating
Speaker 2: the problem, and that when there's no leadership as a vacuum,
Speaker 2: people are maybe not being held accountable as much when
Speaker 2: you know there's a clear direction for the police department.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I think the city manager has
Speaker 2: to answer some questions as well. Share alone. If council's
Speaker 2: job is to allocate the money, should it be there
Speaker 2: a job to make sure that the money is being spent?
Speaker 2: I would say no. Maybe a follow up is an order,
Speaker 2: but you can once you do it, it's in someone
Speaker 2: else's hands. If you handed to administrators, then administrate it
Speaker 2: and the end result is this isn't like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: we made a mistake. An eleven year old girl is dead.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that sure death is entirely preventable, that
Speaker 2: we could have prevented this from happening, but I'm sorry
Speaker 2: if you had cameras up there, I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's a deterrent, but maybe bringing someone to justice, having
Speaker 2: some enclosure for the family it is somewhat there, but
Speaker 2: there's blood in the hands of those elected officials that
Speaker 2: were given the money to do this and didn't do
Speaker 2: what they were supposed to do. I mean, it's pretty
Speaker 2: clear of the public in the West End is very,
Speaker 2: very angry as we all are about this. Hell, I
Speaker 2: don't live in Cincinnati proper. You may not either, but
Speaker 2: you hear these stories and it just breaks your heart.
Speaker 2: Here's an eleven year old girl in a playground on
Speaker 2: New Year's Day and she gets gunned down by nonsense.
Speaker 2: It's like the mom that got shot in the crosswalk.
Speaker 2: For God's sakes. It's just one story after another. And
Speaker 2: is it going to stop all this crime or prevent it?
Speaker 2: Probably not. But it's going to be easier to get
Speaker 2: justice for this family because guess what, Dominic Davis was
Speaker 2: killed two and a half years ago. I don't think
Speaker 2: they ever got the shooter there, and I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I mean, give these families a chance, or give these
Speaker 2: kids a chance, for God's sake, and get these animals
Speaker 2: off the street. It couldn't very well be that the
Speaker 2: same person who shot and killed Dominic Davis in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three shot and killed this little girl on New
Speaker 2: Year's Day and you have one job, let's do it.
Speaker 2: You know, this is my fierce libertarian streak coming out here,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't say that. You know, this is why
Speaker 2: you have to have private security, cameras and everything else.
Speaker 2: No government. If government can't do the basics, and I
Speaker 2: would say public safety is the cornerstone of basic Then
Speaker 2: if you're a younger voter, because typically younger voters that
Speaker 2: would be younger millennials and gen zers want more government
Speaker 2: to take things over, why would you want that If
Speaker 2: you can't have the basic stuff, why would you want
Speaker 2: to expand government? Local government at that, whether it's local, state,
Speaker 2: or federal, have more of that in your life because
Speaker 2: government programs, I mean always say treat us like children,
Speaker 2: because you assume that people can't manage their own affairs.
Speaker 2: But bigger than that, how many times has government consistently
Speaker 2: over promised and underdelivered? This debacle in the West End
Speaker 2: is a great example of that. It's a bureaucracy. There's
Speaker 2: no incentive for them to be efficient, to be responsible,
Speaker 2: to be accountable. The Inquirer, the paper of record here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, can't get any answers as to one of
Speaker 2: the money is was it spent? What happened? Do we
Speaker 2: even have any cameras up? Knowing even has an answer
Speaker 2: as to did we put cameras up or didn't? We
Speaker 2: can't even get the open records request or crying out loud,
Speaker 2: I don't know why you'd want more of that in
Speaker 2: your life and not less of it. If you guys
Speaker 2: can't handle the basics, why are we worrying about? You know,
Speaker 2: we've got to take care of student loan debt and
Speaker 2: housing on affordability, and the gig economy and wage stagnation
Speaker 2: and climate change against they can barely. They can't handle
Speaker 2: putting up cameras at a park, for God's sake, And
Speaker 2: yet we want more of that stuff. And I get
Speaker 2: the reasons behind it. And younger generations have different experiences
Speaker 2: and changes. And I know you saw the two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight housing crisis and said, well, well, look we
Speaker 2: had to bail out all these businesses and banks are
Speaker 2: too big to fail as part of the two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight financial crisis. If you're a Mellen Hill, right,
Speaker 2: I get that. Watch your parents suffer. Okay, but what
Speaker 2: drove the financial crisis? A lack of oversight. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying suggesting o other mental libertarians and anarchists. Obviously we
Speaker 2: got no government. But and in my mind and maybe
Speaker 2: in yours, I don't want a government doing everything for me.
Speaker 2: You certainly you need to be an officially, need to
Speaker 2: be a referee and put guardrails in place, because you know,
Speaker 2: unchecked authority or in checked bureaucracy or unchecked capitalism for
Speaker 2: that matter, is not beneficial. There has to be some
Speaker 2: guidelines in place and guardrails in place where that you
Speaker 2: can do that. But to suggest somehow the government should
Speaker 2: take all this, Oh, look what happens. They can't even
Speaker 2: handle putting cameras up in a freaking park. And now
Speaker 2: you've got another kid dead five three, seven four nine,
Speaker 2: seven thousand d in Highland on seven hundred WWD high Hi.
Speaker 7: How are you today?
Speaker 1: I'm sure I am just I don't know why, like
Speaker 1: you's saying, why.
Speaker 7: Are we asking the government to take care of it?
Speaker 1: Why is an eleven year old child out in the
Speaker 1: dark in a park, A girl with after one child
Speaker 1: who's been killed there. I don't care how long ago
Speaker 1: it was. The little girl should not have been out there.
Speaker 1: Where's the parents?
Speaker 7: How come we're not holding a parent and.
Speaker 2: So you know, I get it.
Speaker 1: They got to work to pay for everything. I understand this,
Speaker 1: but there has to be rules. And have somebody watched
Speaker 1: an eleven year old girl has no business in a
Speaker 1: park at night time. I don't care if it's right
Speaker 1: outside or door.
Speaker 3: You cannot.
Speaker 7: There's too much going on, especially down the West end.
Speaker 2: See indeed, see, let's be a reason, all right. I
Speaker 2: don't know where you're coming from, but when I was
Speaker 2: eleven years old, I was hanging out of parks. I
Speaker 2: was in the neighborhood. You're eleven years old. If you
Speaker 2: can't be safe in a park at six o'clock, where
Speaker 2: the hell else can you go?
Speaker 1: You're dark, you go by the darkness.
Speaker 2: And if there was no no I think I was
Speaker 2: out at eleven. When I was eleven years old, I
Speaker 2: was probably out past dark. It's hell. I lived in
Speaker 2: a part of the country that got dark at three o'clock.
Speaker 2: I'd never go outside if they were the case.
Speaker 1: Okay, when when my children went to school, they pulled
Speaker 1: up their pickup trucks and had rifles in the back window,
Speaker 1: and nobody pulled out that rifle and shot each other
Speaker 1: when they got in fights. Nobody nobody did that. You
Speaker 1: didn't even And yes, we have more publicity now about it.
Speaker 1: I understand times were different than didn't. You also have
Speaker 1: prayer in school, thou shall not do this, thou shalll
Speaker 1: not do that. Now, what happens to the idiot that
Speaker 1: goes down death roat?
Speaker 7: He don't ask for the preacher? Get it over with?
Speaker 1: And and what do they do with the guy that
Speaker 1: goes and run over the cop? Oh, they're going to
Speaker 1: let him out.
Speaker 2: He's gonna he's going to go to prison for the
Speaker 2: rest of his life. But because the.
Speaker 7: Sanity that he should get the death penalty. You have
Speaker 7: to have force, You have to have punishment that fits
Speaker 7: the crime, or they're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 2: Well, back to back to back to the little girl though,
Speaker 2: I mean she's eleven. You I could see if he's
Speaker 2: six or five or six years old, but eleven o'clock
Speaker 2: at six o'clock on New Year's Day? You know, are
Speaker 2: you supposed to I mean, what are you supposed to
Speaker 2: do if you live in that And again, not everybody
Speaker 2: in that neighbor is a criminal. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: a half a percent of the population the one doing
Speaker 2: this nonsense and this noise, and people are trying to
Speaker 2: live their lives. Do you suggest that, like an eleven
Speaker 2: you old should just stay inside all day when it's
Speaker 2: dark outside. I mean, don't the people who live in
Speaker 2: those neighborhoods have a right to use the parks and
Speaker 2: facilities that are put there by the government without fear
Speaker 2: of being shot today?
Speaker 1: One year old child, It's not like it was years ago.
Speaker 7: It's not like it was.
Speaker 2: Everybody never is. Everything changes, It's supposed to change.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. But when it comes to safety,
Speaker 1: you can't expect the government. I don't want the government
Speaker 1: taking care of telling me what I knew, what I
Speaker 1: can't do.
Speaker 7: Why don't we just go overseas and live with the China?
Speaker 1: You know? I hear over there by the way, China
Speaker 1: is going to have their women date down when they
Speaker 1: have their periods.
Speaker 7: What do you think is coming with that? It's crazy?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I appreciate the call. D I gotta
Speaker 2: get going. She's got a lot to say, D does.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure I agree with the thesis the
Speaker 2: kids shouldn't be as eleven year old at six o'clock
Speaker 2: at night in the park. I could see if we were, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, four o'clock in the morning, a different story.
Speaker 2: But even at we're four o'clock in the morning, does
Speaker 2: an eleven year old deserve to catch a bullet? Does
Speaker 2: anyone deserve to catch a bullet? The answer, of course
Speaker 2: says no, unless you're a criminal, like a Rodney Hinton
Speaker 2: for example. We'll get into that more of speaking of
Speaker 2: Rodney Hinton later on about ten o'clock, actually a ten
Speaker 2: oh six, Steve goodins here to talk about his insanity
Speaker 2: play and what all this means, and that the court
Speaker 2: bought this whole thing. We'll switch up the topic then
Speaker 2: after news coming up at ten o'clock, about twelve minutes
Speaker 2: from now. In the meantime, it's five one, three, seven, four, nine,
Speaker 2: eight hundred the Big One Talk Back iHeartRadio app to
Speaker 2: Mark and Wyoming on the Big One. Good Marting, Mark, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Good morning.
Speaker 8: I want to I just listen to this conversation you
Speaker 8: had with the councilwoman. Yeah, I'm and I'm a little
Speaker 8: surprised on too one thing. You said, well, what more
Speaker 8: can they do? But I'm actually more alarmed now after
Speaker 8: she spoke.
Speaker 7: I mean, she says, you ask about.
Speaker 8: Accountability and this politicians do this, and people that can't
Speaker 8: be held accountable do this right away while I'm focused
Speaker 8: on the right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna accept it.
Speaker 8: But I'm not like, we can't walk and shoot them
Speaker 8: at the same time and find out why it failed,
Speaker 8: because if that failed, all these other things that are.
Speaker 3: Going on around you are failing.
Speaker 9: At the same time.
Speaker 8: Someone should be accountable. But they do this because over
Speaker 8: time people forget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you will.
Speaker 8: They won't go back and you'll never get an answer.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's part of it. I want to know
Speaker 2: where the hell and I think we deserve especially more
Speaker 2: so anyone more than anyone else. The folks who live
Speaker 2: in the West End are around that park, around Laurel
Speaker 2: Playground where they have kids. It's like, yeah, I need
Speaker 2: to know who the hell screwed this thing up. And
Speaker 2: I you know, I appreciate Anna and what she said.
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, we got to go back and check
Speaker 2: and see where the money is. You know, the Consol's
Speaker 2: job is to appropriate the funds to make sure things
Speaker 2: work and problems get solved. I don't think you should
Speaker 2: have to go back and check your math and say, okay,
Speaker 2: now I've got to do someone else's job. And but
Speaker 2: you're right, is that like, let's start naming names. I
Speaker 2: want to know where the hell this thing got screwed
Speaker 2: up in the first place, because you have another eleven
Speaker 2: year old dad. Two and a half years ago, we
Speaker 2: were told this can't happen again. Well guess what's just
Speaker 2: happened again. And the money they appropriated to help solve
Speaker 2: the problem or prevent the problem hasn't been spent yet.
Speaker 2: We deserve answers names already.
Speaker 3: And again it's not just the West End people. It's
Speaker 3: they're talking about one hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 8: Dollars about a five million dollar allocation. If this kind
Speaker 8: of aptitude is going on, what's going on where all
Speaker 8: that other money was celebrated?
Speaker 6: You don't know because you're not looking.
Speaker 8: And the other second point, and I'll be quick and
Speaker 8: I'll get off. Yeah, they act like I allocated the
Speaker 8: money and it's not my research. Any business that has
Speaker 8: capital expenditures allocated projects set the first question yet, who's responsible?
Speaker 8: And it's a time bound by when and who's going
Speaker 8: to report fact that it's done, and you can't track
Speaker 8: if you're in the city, maybe one hundred thousand projects,
Speaker 8: but there's something who said this was emergency funding for this.
Speaker 3: You can't tell me.
Speaker 8: City council can't say I need an answer.
Speaker 6: Next week, next month.
Speaker 3: And if it's not.
Speaker 8: Done, where are we going? But they act like I
Speaker 8: just washed my hands of this because I allocated the money.
Speaker 8: And again it's people that can't be held accountable, or
Speaker 8: we won't hold accountable.
Speaker 4: That's what they say.
Speaker 8: If you're in a business, you'd be fired immediately.
Speaker 2: Well correct and.
Speaker 6: Like that.
Speaker 2: That's the point, and that's why. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if we're coming this because it's again your point well
Speaker 2: taken about government. I think council members can only do
Speaker 2: so much. Their job is not to administerate. Once they
Speaker 2: pass the funding, it's handed off to someone else. But
Speaker 2: you know there's plausible deniability, Well we didn't know it
Speaker 2: got caught up. There's a whole bit. But it's back
Speaker 2: to that bureaucracy. You know, all the steps you have
Speaker 2: to do and all the hoops you have to jump
Speaker 2: through under the eyes of you know, public accountability. Uh
Speaker 2: in doing the right thing with the public money. Takes
Speaker 2: forever to do. The bureaucracy and the red tape is
Speaker 2: the problem. But at some point someone has to be
Speaker 2: responsible as to why these cameras weren't put up after
Speaker 2: the last shooting, and certainly after September when they appropriated
Speaker 2: the money. The bigger questions I asked Anna Alby, is okay,
Speaker 2: well this is one hundred and fifty thousand of five
Speaker 2: point four million. What the hell happened to the rest
Speaker 2: of the money. What else aren't you doing? What else
Speaker 2: aren't you sitting on? I mean, these are great campaign
Speaker 2: type of things where you go, hey, look what we're doing.
Speaker 2: We put cameras, great, we voted for camras, awesome, we're
Speaker 2: the cameras. Wow, we didn't put them up. Well, then,
Speaker 2: what's the point of all this then? And what do
Speaker 2: you tell with a straight face to the family of
Speaker 2: this eleven year old girl who they're about to put
Speaker 2: in the ground. It's it's unconscionable, is what it is.
Speaker 2: And it is a pattern. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's true in other cities. I can't speak for Louisville
Speaker 2: and Columbus, and I can't speak for Indianapolis or Chicago
Speaker 2: or Cleveland or Toledo, or Youngstown or Dayton, but certainly Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: You want to know that the people you and trust
Speaker 2: are doing their job, and clearly they aren't. And all
Speaker 2: we get from the mayor will spare nothing to put
Speaker 2: a stop to this. How about some accountability? And I
Speaker 2: think at the top the biggest problem we have seen,
Speaker 2: and you name all the problems that we've had, is
Speaker 2: a lack of transparency and accountability. You know, you can
Speaker 2: bring up names like Patrick Herringer, and you can bring
Speaker 2: up the rye, the brawl over the summer and go
Speaker 2: on and on and on, and the lack of transparency,
Speaker 2: accountability and someone to say this is unacceptable. Here's the plan,
Speaker 2: and we've got the plan executed. You can't find it.
Speaker 2: And yet it's happened again. It's happened time and time
Speaker 2: and time again, where there's no one willing to step
Speaker 2: up and say I'm the one who's screwed up, it
Speaker 2: won't happen again, or holding someone accountable. But rather we
Speaker 2: get platitudes about how it's intolerable and we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna stop this and it's not gonna happen again. And
Speaker 2: guess what, it happened again. How can you be that
Speaker 2: tone deaf in such a short period of time. It's
Speaker 2: beyond me. It is beyond me. One more quick one here,
Speaker 2: let's go to a John and Westwood on the Big one. John,
Speaker 2: good morning.
Speaker 10: Uh, scott as absolutely city councils fault. If you if
Speaker 10: your refrigerator breaks and you pay somebody to fix it,
Speaker 10: aren't you going to follow up to make sure they
Speaker 10: fix it? It's absolutely counsel's fault. Scottie Johnson's a joke.
Speaker 10: He was never much of a copy. He was more
Speaker 10: of a social worker. And every one of them down
Speaker 10: there has blood on your hands. Not that the government's
Speaker 10: supposed to fix all this, no, but here's here's the thing.
Speaker 10: If you're going to say, way, we're going to put
Speaker 10: up cameras, we're going to do this and that.
Speaker 6: To help the problem, and if you don't do it, then.
Speaker 9: Shame on you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the way I look at it rather in
Speaker 2: the household budget. Because what you said makes sense, I
Speaker 2: listen to. But but look at this way. Let's say
Speaker 2: I run company. Let's look at this as a business
Speaker 2: type of thing, and I have uh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I've got service technician and okay, okay, great, here's your truck,
Speaker 2: here's to what what what? Why didn't you go install
Speaker 2: this aircan doing? Why do you go install this furnace?
Speaker 2: That's kind of what happened here. It's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: you got the equipment, you got the tools, you got there,
Speaker 2: you got all these things. Well why didn't you go
Speaker 2: do your job? What were you doing instead of doing this?
Speaker 2: And that's kind of a you know, ham fisted example
Speaker 2: of the problem. But okay, if it's a business and
Speaker 2: it's a big company, and certainly the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: is there are people who are tasked with making sure
Speaker 2: these things are executed. I can be the owner and go, okay,
Speaker 2: we're allocating this amount of money to this budget for
Speaker 2: I don't know, marketing. Let's say, and if you decay, hey,
Speaker 2: I've got one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for marketing.
Speaker 2: And you go, I thought we were doing I thought
Speaker 2: we spent money on marketing. Where is it, Well, we
Speaker 2: didn't spend the money, Well why not you get fired
Speaker 2: for that? It's the same thing here. The question is
Speaker 2: who gets fired. Is it the police department, is it
Speaker 2: management within the is it the city manager. And this
Speaker 2: is not the first time we've had problems. What about
Speaker 2: the police. I'm very pro police, but you know, when
Speaker 2: you have a situation where the chief is in flocks
Speaker 2: and we still have an interim here, I think that's
Speaker 2: also part of the problem. And what does that go
Speaker 2: back to. It goes back to left accountability, transparency and
Speaker 2: function of those elected, in this case re elected to government.
Speaker 2: News is next seven hundred WW. Since you want to
Speaker 2: be an American, we pivot from the issues of the city.
Speaker 2: I'll revisit this last a suffer. A lot of people
Speaker 2: want to fire off about the city for not having
Speaker 2: these cameras up. We appropriated the money for and end result,
Speaker 2: you've got eleven year old girls shot to death on
Speaker 2: New Year's Day. Unreal way to start the new year.
Speaker 2: For sure, we also have this go on. Speaking of violence,
Speaker 2: Hamlin County prosecutors have decided not to pursue the death
Speaker 2: penalty for the man who intentionally ran over and killed
Speaker 2: Deputy Larry Henderson last May. They agree that Rodney Hinton
Speaker 2: was legally insane at the time he murdered the deputy.
Speaker 2: He's expected to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.
Speaker 2: Sometime next week the judge, Judge Luvers, has to sign
Speaker 2: off on this for more. It's Steve Gooden, attorney at law,
Speaker 2: and Steve, welcome back. How are you good? I'm all right,
Speaker 2: but I wish we had better news to start the year.
Speaker 2: We have an eleven year old murdered at a play
Speaker 2: ground where two and a half years ago and another
Speaker 2: eleven year old child, a boy, was murdered. No one
Speaker 2: has answers to cameras being up there. And now we
Speaker 2: have the news coming out after what we saw last
Speaker 2: May at UC's graduation. Here's retired Deputy Larry Henderson working
Speaker 2: a detail where he's pushing the button operate street lights
Speaker 2: as people cross across the university campus in order to
Speaker 2: facilitate graduation. And we know the Rodney Hinton, who was
Speaker 2: aggravated because his son was justifiably shot and killed by
Speaker 2: police officers for his role in steel in the car.
Speaker 2: He decided he was going to get vengeance for his
Speaker 2: dead son and kill a deputy he had nothing to
Speaker 2: do with this. He's expected to plead not guilty by
Speaker 2: reason of insanity next week in the court. Apparently in
Speaker 2: the prosecutor's offices agreed. That's pretty rare, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is relatively rare, but it does happen. You know,
Speaker 5: I was a prosecutor for many, many years in the
Speaker 5: both state and the federal system, and you know, we've
Speaker 5: seen these scenarios, and I think what happened. And I
Speaker 5: spoke with one of the lawyers who represents mister Hanton yesterday.
Speaker 5: Apparently the judge actually appointed an independent expert to take
Speaker 5: a look at him and to render some sort of
Speaker 5: mental evaluation, and it was this independent expert who concluded
Speaker 5: that he did have some sort of Mister Hinton had
Speaker 5: some sort of pre.
Speaker 9: Existing condition exposed.
Speaker 5: They said, both bipolar and possible schizophrenia. He had a
Speaker 5: diagnosis that went way back before this incident. And they said
Speaker 5: they in their view, it was sufficient to show that
Speaker 5: he did not appreciate the wrongfulness of his actions, which
Speaker 5: is what has to be demonstrated here from a legal standpoint. Now,
Speaker 5: why this is so frustrating for others, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: frustrating for the Henderson family, is just you know, it
Speaker 5: is all based on opinion. You know, the the so
Speaker 5: called MacNaughton test, which is what most states use, including
Speaker 5: Ohio in terms of deciding whether someone is not guilty
Speaker 5: by reason of insanity, and it requires that someone has
Speaker 5: such a a severe mental illness or mental defect that
Speaker 5: they cannot appreciate the rightfulness, rightness or wrongfulness of their conduct.
Speaker 5: Here's somebody who was actually it looks like was functioning
Speaker 5: in society before this. So it begs a lot of
Speaker 5: questions does but I will say also in the prosecutor's
Speaker 5: defense here in Ohio, I mean we have essentially don't
Speaker 5: have the death penalty anymore. It's on the books, it's
Speaker 5: seldom imposed. Even if he were sentenced to the death penalty.
Speaker 5: You know, the governor Dawine is sent a moratorium on
Speaker 5: the death penalty because of the drugs that they.
Speaker 9: Use for some time.
Speaker 5: So the odds of it ever actually being imposed are
Speaker 5: slim to none if we're just being honest about it.
Speaker 5: So at least the one positive thing out of this,
Speaker 5: and it's a very muted and kind of distant positive thing,
Speaker 5: is that is typically as part of a not guilty
Speaker 5: by reason of insanity, at least the person admits the
Speaker 5: facts of what he did.
Speaker 9: So I mean, at least there will be.
Speaker 5: Some coming clean about what actually occurred that day, and
Speaker 5: from what we understand, it was just this awful thing
Speaker 5: where he watched this video of his son, and exactly
Speaker 5: as you said, he went out in the first person
Speaker 5: in the uniform, he saw you, he ran over, and
Speaker 5: it was just Larry Henderson, who I didn't know well
Speaker 5: but did know and was just just as upstanding and
Speaker 5: decent a human being as you could have and just
Speaker 5: an absolute credit to the uniform, who was just killed
Speaker 5: for no reason at all.
Speaker 2: Just being the wrong place at the wrong time for
Speaker 2: someone who wanted vengeance. But doesn't that kind of undermine
Speaker 2: the story, Steve Gooden, that there's some intention there, that
Speaker 2: there's two distinct competence issues, as you have been told before.
Speaker 2: One is the competence of sand trial, meaning his present
Speaker 2: mental state and can he understand the proceedings against him.
Speaker 2: This focus is more on the mental state at the
Speaker 2: time of the offense, the past mental state, so not
Speaker 2: the present but the past. I don't know. If you
Speaker 2: drive around the city, presumably in your mind you're looking
Speaker 2: for someone to blame, someone to take out, and an
Speaker 2: eye for an eye sort of fashion, and then you
Speaker 2: feel that your son was wrongfully shot, even though he
Speaker 2: was justifiably shot by police. There's no telling a grieving
Speaker 2: parent that. But you know, him going out and essentially
Speaker 2: looking for someone in uniform to kill indicates to me
Speaker 2: that's premeditated. If it's premeditated, how does that not how
Speaker 2: does that work then relative to being insane, because you're
Speaker 2: not supposed to know that this at this time is
Speaker 2: a crime, and what you're going to do is a
Speaker 2: criminal in nature. But if you're deliberately doing something and
Speaker 2: actively seeking one some out for one, understand it took
Speaker 2: like in the upwards of an hour for him driving around,
Speaker 2: I don't understand how insanity is play here.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, look I'd be I'd be screaming about
Speaker 5: this too a bit more. I think if I were
Speaker 5: certainly fair with in the family or the prosecutor as well.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is one that just is going to
Speaker 5: be a very very tough sell to the community for
Speaker 5: everything that all the reasons you set out, you know,
Speaker 5: if I mean he did and there's no question and
Speaker 5: go out looking for someone in uniform, there was a
Speaker 5: vengeance aspect. And we now know he has been indicted
Speaker 5: subsequent to his arrest for assaulting a SHARE's deputy up
Speaker 5: in Butler County, I mean because of you, Because he
Speaker 5: actually killed a Hamilton County SHARE's deputy who and the
Speaker 5: Hamilton County deputies run the jail locally. They moved him
Speaker 5: up to Butler County as a security for security reasons, obviously,
Speaker 5: and he's already assaulted another uniformed officer there and is
Speaker 5: unfacing a different fellow the indictment for that. So you know,
Speaker 5: it also begs the question. In Ohio, it's very very
Speaker 5: hard to establish what we call temporary insanity. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's something that really only exists in the movies. It's
Speaker 5: a practical matter in Ohio. You either have a severe,
Speaker 5: severe mental health diagnosis that renders you incapable of understanding
Speaker 5: right form wronger you don't if there's no such thing
Speaker 5: as temporary insanity. And this sort of flirts with a
Speaker 5: temporary insanity theory, which is, well, he had this mental illness,
Speaker 5: he saw the video triggered his mental illness, so therefore
Speaker 5: his criminal culp ability you know, you know, is significantly reduced.
Speaker 9: It doesn't go away.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's still going to be held in detention
Speaker 5: for many, many, many years, no matter what happens. Here,
Speaker 5: but it does, you know, it does diminish it. It
Speaker 5: takes the death penalty off the table because mentally ill
Speaker 5: people cannot be put to death in Ohio. And again,
Speaker 5: as we said, even by a lawyers doesn't matter. But
Speaker 5: this is one of these things that is going to
Speaker 5: be very very hard, I think for people to understand
Speaker 5: and grasp even you know, I think some of the
Speaker 5: lawyers who practiced in the spaces I have over the years,
Speaker 5: you know, are scratching their head a bed at this.
Speaker 5: But I apparently what happened yesterday was that there was
Speaker 5: a you know, a one of the court appointed psychologists
Speaker 5: who was supposed to be a truly independent person not
Speaker 5: representing the state or the or the defense, came in
Speaker 5: and said, no, he had a pretty severe mental health
Speaker 5: history prior to all this, and that's what they're hanging
Speaker 5: their hat on. So right now, with the prosecutor's position,
Speaker 5: I mean, it looks as though, I mean, the death
Speaker 5: toll he's already off the table. And I would assume
Speaker 5: we're going to move into a scenario where, you know,
Speaker 5: where he pleads not guilty by reason of insanity and
Speaker 5: assuming that the psychological diagnoses hold up and you know,
Speaker 5: he's going to be placed into some sort of mental
Speaker 5: health you know, lockdown mental health facility, hopefully for the
Speaker 5: rest of his life.
Speaker 2: Well, I would think that's the case. Yeah, you don't know, right,
Speaker 2: but you know, it seems like he made deliberate, intended choices.
Speaker 2: It was premeditated for sure. That shows and establishes his
Speaker 2: cognitive function as being okay at the time. Are there
Speaker 2: people on death row who are bipolar? I managed a
Speaker 2: lot of people in prison who suffer from mental illness.
Speaker 2: We know that as a fact. But even if bipolar
Speaker 2: disorder is present, I don't know why the prosecutor could
Speaker 2: argue that that second prong is had met as we
Speaker 2: talked about. I think that's the frustrating part, not just
Speaker 2: for most people listening, but especially for the family, because
Speaker 2: the family had to sign off.
Speaker 6: On this, right, well, you know, don't I don't know
Speaker 6: that they did.
Speaker 5: I mean, based upon the on the prosecutor statements yesterday,
Speaker 5: the family, you know, they said, certainly we're not uniform.
Speaker 5: I think, and in this he indicated on the record
Speaker 5: before Judge Luber' is that there have been I guess
Speaker 5: some disagreement among the family, but that they understood. And
Speaker 5: you know, and again I've met the family very briefly
Speaker 5: at at the visitation and uh, you know, you know
Speaker 5: there these are decent people, these are smart, but these
Speaker 5: are people who are not out for blood that they
Speaker 5: do want justice here. And that's the problem with this.
Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like justice. And and you hit the
Speaker 5: nail on the head, which is almost everybody who ends
Speaker 5: up in the criminal justice system has some sort of
Speaker 5: mental health issue. I mean, whether they're dealing with those
Speaker 5: process trauma and that leads them into drug use, and
Speaker 5: the drug use leads them down into uh, into stealing.
Speaker 5: It's always a problem. The issue is what do you
Speaker 5: what do you do with your mental health problem? You
Speaker 5: know problems? Do you push back? Do you get help?
Speaker 5: Do you do you take them more responsibility of not
Speaker 5: crossing the line into criminal conduct and hurting other people
Speaker 5: and stealing from people and doing things of that nature.
Speaker 5: And that's what our system is. I fear is starting
Speaker 5: to lose because there is this concept of like, you know, yes,
Speaker 5: everybody has their mental health problems in gr or not
Speaker 5: goes to by reason of insanity. It was always when
Speaker 5: I was doing this twenty years ago, was reserved for
Speaker 5: those very tiny sliver of cases, the great minority of
Speaker 5: cases where someone was so mentally ill that they couldn't
Speaker 5: understand what they were doing. And that's a pretty rare thing.
Speaker 5: Everybody's got problems, Everyone has mental health. Almost everybody has
Speaker 5: some mental health issue. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it is our responsibility morally to actually control ourselves into
Speaker 5: engage in society in the right way. And that's what's
Speaker 5: getting lost here. And I'll tell you this is something
Speaker 5: that people are going to struggle with. I am amazed
Speaker 5: if you look online, if you look particularly on some
Speaker 5: of the Facebook groups, there are a lot of folks
Speaker 5: out there who have a lot of sympathy for Hinton.
Speaker 5: You know, it is not it is a It is
Speaker 5: a more divided community on this than you would take.
Speaker 5: But just for my friends in the law enforcement community,
Speaker 5: I think this is something that kind of makes him sick.
Speaker 2: And again and again.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that, I'm not saying the guy doesn't
Speaker 5: have problems.
Speaker 9: He clearly does.
Speaker 5: Like you say, the idea that he sought out someone
Speaker 5: in uniform sure sure feels intentional to me.
Speaker 2: That seems like cognitive ability to be owise. Yeah, Steve Goodness,
Speaker 2: there a legal paradox here in that this. Like we know,
Speaker 2: if I go out after the show and I decided
Speaker 2: to go across the street to a bar and hammered
Speaker 2: down like four pictures of margaritas, go out, drive a car,
Speaker 2: strike and kill someone, my decision to put an alcohol
Speaker 2: in my body was mine, uh, and therefore it is
Speaker 2: entirely my guilt, my fault as to that homicide to
Speaker 2: curR at my hands behind the wheel of a car. Conversely,
Speaker 2: in this case, we know that in this case, Rodney
Speaker 2: Hinton was diagnosed as a bipolar in the summer twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, well before the offense, and he was prescribed
Speaker 2: antipsychotic medication. If he choses a lot of people do
Speaker 2: to get off the drug and not take his prescribed
Speaker 2: medication that then triggered this episode of insanity, it doesn't
Speaker 2: the standard hold the same. Like if I choose to
Speaker 2: drink alcohol, use drugs and I kill someone, that that's
Speaker 2: my fault. Does that apply in this case? Do you
Speaker 2: have a duty and responsibility to take the antipsychotic medication
Speaker 2: that was prescribed to you? And if not, does that
Speaker 2: not assume guilt?
Speaker 5: Well, you're hitting on something that no pun intended drives
Speaker 5: a lot of lawyers crazy here, which is is that
Speaker 5: that is something that Ohio law.
Speaker 9: In a lot of states does not recognize.
Speaker 5: And Ohio law is very very clear on what we
Speaker 5: call the voluntary intoxication.
Speaker 9: Events or diminished capacity.
Speaker 5: If you go and intentionally diminish your own ability to say,
Speaker 5: drive a car or something. If you intoxicate yourself voluntarily
Speaker 5: and you get behind the wheel and you hit it
Speaker 5: fill somebody, you're one hundred percent responsible. You cannot claim
Speaker 5: any kind of temporary insanity, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 9: Et cetera.
Speaker 5: But we do know people make conscious choices to go
Speaker 5: off antipsychotic medications and essentially diminish their own capacity in
Speaker 5: that manner, and Ohio law just really takes no position
Speaker 5: on that.
Speaker 9: So, I mean, that's something that at some point the.
Speaker 5: Legislature probably should be looking at, particularly as we see
Speaker 5: attorneys now kind of in a more robust way using
Speaker 5: the not guilty by reason of insanity defense. If the
Speaker 5: person knows they have a middle defect, if it's treatable,
Speaker 5: if they are on medication, if they're prescribed medication, and
Speaker 5: they make a conscious decision to go off it and
Speaker 5: then engage in criminal conduct. You know, it should in
Speaker 5: some way from a common sense standpoint, it should preclude
Speaker 5: you from being able to use some of that mental
Speaker 5: health defenses, some of those mental health defenses, but Ohio
Speaker 5: law just doesn't even contemplate that at its current states.
Speaker 2: Do you have other states too?
Speaker 1: Are?
Speaker 9: My knowledge almost none?
Speaker 5: I mean, this is sort of a new area in
Speaker 5: a lot of ways, you know, just you and it's
Speaker 5: it seems like it shouldn't be because there's so many
Speaker 5: people that pass through the criminal justice system with mental
Speaker 5: health problems.
Speaker 9: Uh, but it's one.
Speaker 5: That that really and again, I guess the question would
Speaker 5: be for for if you're a legislator, you know where
Speaker 5: to draw the line? You know what if someone's just
Speaker 5: on on antidepressants you know, which are not truly anti
Speaker 5: psychotic uh fit meds and and their behavior is impacted somewhere.
Speaker 5: But I think there are some common sense lines that
Speaker 5: can be drawn. And that's something that that really I
Speaker 5: think our legislators should at some point take up because.
Speaker 9: Uh, I mean, it's it's not.
Speaker 5: You know, it's something that that that it does come
Speaker 5: up increasingly, which is someone being quote off their meds.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's something that we just know. People talk
Speaker 5: about that and joke about it all the time. So
Speaker 5: and those off their meds, some people absolutely need these
Speaker 5: medications to function in society at all if they have
Speaker 5: one of these severe diagnoses. So, uh, I don't know, it's
Speaker 5: just it's a it's a blank spot in the law
Speaker 5: right now in my states, but certainly a.
Speaker 2: Well it should be address. It's kind of along the
Speaker 2: lines of elderly drivers. And if you're elderly and you
Speaker 2: mistake your gas pedal for accelerator and you drive through
Speaker 2: to kill someone, was oh my, that poor. Well fortunately,
Speaker 2: you know, they just crashed to the front of the
Speaker 2: store and I'm glad they're okay. It's a great but
Speaker 2: you know, again, are you competent to drive? If I
Speaker 2: did that and I was fifteen, it'd be a different
Speaker 2: story entirely, and you looked at as someone who should
Speaker 2: have their license taken away from them immediately. We don't
Speaker 2: see that with lotily folks. We tend to treat them
Speaker 2: the kids. I think the same with them mental illness.
Speaker 2: A lot of this is probably driven by the and
Speaker 2: rightly so, there's advocates for the mental health community, of
Speaker 2: which we all have mental health issues at different levels
Speaker 2: for sure, me, you, everybody, and you know. The fear
Speaker 2: then is, well, you know, if we do this, then
Speaker 2: we're going to stigmatize mental ill and then people won't
Speaker 2: go get the care and the help they need because
Speaker 2: they're afraid that they're going to get in trouble. We're
Speaker 2: only talking about from this perspective with Rodney Hitton, we're
Speaker 2: only talking about four states of mental health. Of course,
Speaker 2: what we're talking about with him is bipolar disorder, but
Speaker 2: things like schizophrennie very serious metal. Well, we're not talking
Speaker 2: about someone who needs I don't know, something for for
Speaker 2: mild depression or something like their ADHD meds. We're talking
Speaker 2: about schizophrenia and we're talking about psychotic disorders. We're talking
Speaker 2: about issues like this, and there's only a handful of
Speaker 2: them this would apply to. It's not like this is, hey,
Speaker 2: you didn't take your are your allergy medicine today and
Speaker 2: you got an accident. It's your fault because you're sneezing.
Speaker 2: Nothing like that. We're talking about serious mental defect here.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's right. Then there's a common
Speaker 5: sense place to draw on the line, and really we've
Speaker 5: got to involve the probate courts more in these kinds
Speaker 5: of scenarios. I mean, look, I mean, I mean the
Speaker 5: analogy you used, I think is absolutely dead on. One
Speaker 5: of the toughest battles I've had personally in years was
Speaker 5: two years ago, and I had to take my dad's
Speaker 5: car keys away, right, you know, in his mid eighties
Speaker 5: and was diagnosed with dementia and want to drive everywhere,
Speaker 5: you know, all over town. He's getting lost, and it
Speaker 5: was like, it's just a matter of time before he
Speaker 5: hurts himself or someone else. And luckily I had a
Speaker 5: power of attorney that had been executed and I got
Speaker 5: some legal advice and I took every you know, I
Speaker 5: had to shut it down because I felt that I
Speaker 5: was going to have a moral, if not legal responsibility
Speaker 5: at some point for where it was going to go.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people you have, you see in
Speaker 5: these scenarios. I don't know what the case is with hinting,
Speaker 5: but you know, typically you have a family member who
Speaker 5: is involved in the treatment in some way, and sometimes
Speaker 5: they have some legal authority through the probate court and
Speaker 5: particularly in terms of making sure they have their medication.
Speaker 5: So you know, that's got to be part of the
Speaker 5: equation is you know, you know who is the responsible party.
Speaker 9: Some people don't have.
Speaker 2: It be in a state, right, I mean, the state
Speaker 2: issues the state issues a license. Private citizens don't issue licenses,
Speaker 2: but they shouldn't there and then in this case, they're
Speaker 2: the ones that asked to be taken away. And I
Speaker 2: think it is a parallel to what we're talking about
Speaker 2: here with Rodney Hinton, in that if I drink or
Speaker 2: take drugs and kill someone, obviously I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2: That's on me. I engage in that kind of behavior,
Speaker 2: being deliberately intoxicated, Whereas if I'm ordered to take prescription
Speaker 2: antipsychotics because of a mental state and I don't do
Speaker 2: that and kill someone, it's not my fault. It doesn't
Speaker 2: make a lot of sense. I don't have hope that
Speaker 2: the law is going to change anytime soon because their
Speaker 2: fear of the backlash from the mental health community and others,
Speaker 2: the fear that's going to cause people not to get
Speaker 2: the help that they need. It definitely is a catastrophe
Speaker 2: on many levels here. But the good news is that
Speaker 2: he's going to plead and hopefully he doesn't see the
Speaker 2: light of day. Are you pretty confident he's going to
Speaker 2: get life? He's never going to get out of jail.
Speaker 9: You know, I am.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, we don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: I mean the good I mean, the good thing about
Speaker 5: the only good thing about this is again he has
Speaker 5: to admit what he did. They're not contesting, they're not
Speaker 5: arguing that there's you know, some other person involved there.
Speaker 5: He's at least acknowledging what occurred here, which I guess
Speaker 5: will well, we'll have some value, I hope. But the
Speaker 5: thing is he will be eligible to have, you know,
Speaker 5: to be in a treatment situation, and to be evaluated
Speaker 5: for release every so often.
Speaker 9: Now, I think given what happened.
Speaker 5: Here, and given that we've got a pretty you know,
Speaker 5: a really sharp judge involved, I think that's you know,
Speaker 5: it's unlikely he's getting out anytime soon. But we can't
Speaker 5: say for a fact, you know, that he'll be locked
Speaker 5: up for life. I mean, there could be a scenario
Speaker 5: where you know, some of the treatment you know, providers
Speaker 5: where he is says, you know, look, he's he's he's
Speaker 5: functioning again, he's medicated, he's doing better. I mean, we
Speaker 5: don't know what's going to happen that way. We just
Speaker 5: know that if he were convicted straight up, this would
Speaker 5: be murder even without the death, then he will be
Speaker 5: murder with a life tail. So h but still I
Speaker 5: think it is, you know, it is unlikely that he
Speaker 5: gets out. I mean, they are gonna you know, there's
Speaker 5: going to be a murder conviction and uh you know
Speaker 5: again one with the possibility at parole and uh, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's it's complicated. We can't say for sure he'll
Speaker 5: never get out, but there's a pretty good chance he'll ever.
Speaker 2: Get Yeah, I would hope so well, at least we
Speaker 2: got that Steve good and all the best to try
Speaker 2: law defense Turney now former prosecutor and knows it all.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, buddy. Thanks again. Happy to hear you'll
Speaker 2: get a time out in We've got news and we'll
Speaker 2: talk about this and whether that makes sense is to
Speaker 2: you know, there's some diseases. You've got to be responsible
Speaker 2: for putting the drugs into your system. That's going to
Speaker 2: prevent this behavior from happening in the first place. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about a next Lonely after doing seven hundred. It's
Speaker 2: a Scott's Loan show on seven hundred WLW. Steve Good
Speaker 2: was just on talking about what's going on with Rodney
Speaker 2: hitting In case you're just joining the show, didn't hear it?
Speaker 2: County Prosecute Hamblin County Prosecutor Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, has
Speaker 2: after talking to medical experts and testimony, including court appointed
Speaker 2: testament but also independent testimony, in analysis of Rodney Hint
Speaker 2: in the state of mind the day he decided to
Speaker 2: murder Deputy Layer Henderson, has determined that he was legally
Speaker 2: insane that the time he murdered Henderson, and it feels
Speaker 2: like justice is not being served there because you see
Speaker 2: someone who in the capacity that seems to go against
Speaker 2: the narrative that he was out of his mind at
Speaker 2: the time, in that he was premeditated. He was shown
Speaker 2: the video he in the family was shown the video
Speaker 2: camera footage of his son being killed by police officers.
Speaker 2: Son killed by police officers because he was an a
Speaker 2: stolen vehicle. He had a gun on him, He's fleeing,
Speaker 2: He disobeyed commands, fell down, picked the gun back up
Speaker 2: and held it in his hand and as he was
Speaker 2: running past the dumpsters, turned towards at least look towards
Speaker 2: a police officer which sees that certainly is a threat
Speaker 2: against his life, and fired the rounds in which killed
Speaker 2: that young man, Ryan Hinton, his dad in the family.
Speaker 2: Was shown the next day the video or at least
Speaker 2: couple days later, the video of the murder, not murder,
Speaker 2: but of the shooting, and this triggered him to murder
Speaker 2: Deputy Larry Henderson, in which it appeared about an hour
Speaker 2: got in his vehicle because he was distraught, as you
Speaker 2: could imagine, at some point decided he was going to
Speaker 2: find someone a uniform to murder, and that person was
Speaker 2: Larry Henderson, who was working a detail as a retiree,
Speaker 2: making all extra money I guess, running the cameras or
Speaker 2: running the stoplets that you see for their graduations, so
Speaker 2: people cross the street and had nothing to do with
Speaker 2: what happened with a son and I even the same
Speaker 2: department for that matter, as a sheriff's deputy, you know,
Speaker 2: a since andy cop. Not that that would not that
Speaker 2: that would matter at all, but he decided that this
Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. He did so because he
Speaker 2: was off his medication. For bipolar. This seems to me
Speaker 2: like a lawmaker could tackle this issue. But I can
Speaker 2: imagine for reasons why a lawmaker wouldn't, and that it
Speaker 2: just doesn't seem just that if you are ordered by
Speaker 2: your doctor you have a known serious mental deficiency, and
Speaker 2: I would say bipolar disorder is, I would say schizophrenia is.
Speaker 2: Then you have to make you have to take your mets.
Speaker 2: We know there are a lot of homeless people and
Speaker 2: are homeless for a lot of reasons, but mental health
Speaker 2: drives a lot of this who won't take their mets,
Speaker 2: and then we see them do things in public that
Speaker 2: threaten not on the quality of life, but also may
Speaker 2: threaten or actually do bodily harm to people because they're
Speaker 2: if they're mets. Can you force someone to take their medication?
Speaker 2: It's awfully tough to do unless you put them an institution,
Speaker 2: which in my opinion, we need more of. We're saying
Speaker 2: we did was close all the mental hospitals back in
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies because it felt like, well, you
Speaker 2: know we're not treating them, well, let's release them out
Speaker 2: in the public. Okay, great, Now what do we have?
Speaker 2: We have people who have mental illnesses that are running
Speaker 2: around the streets doing things like this before you could
Speaker 2: institutionalize them. That has to come back. We've got to
Speaker 2: change that because we worried about the stigma, and that's
Speaker 2: also the problem. Well there's a stigma. Yeah, there should
Speaker 2: be a stigma. These are very serious mental issues. This
Speaker 2: isn't minor, and we're talking a handful of things that
Speaker 2: would trigger the courts to enforce this. I made the
Speaker 2: parallel that if I decide that I'm going to go out,
Speaker 2: or you go out and do drugs, and I'm talking
Speaker 2: about drugs that would alter your mind and state. If
Speaker 2: I would consume alcohol, If I would I don't know,
Speaker 2: co cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, whatever it is, a marijuana for
Speaker 2: that matter. And I out there and I do that
Speaker 2: stuff and I kill someone and it's in my system.
Speaker 2: I go to jail for that. I go to prison
Speaker 2: for that as well. You should, because you made a
Speaker 2: conscious effort to put something in your body that was
Speaker 2: going to cause you not to be able to operate
Speaker 2: a motor vehicle using your clear mind and motor functions. Well,
Speaker 2: if that's the case, then why isn't the opposite trip
Speaker 2: that if you are told by a doctor, Look, you've
Speaker 2: got to take this medication the rest of your life
Speaker 2: because you have bipolar disorder, you have schizophrenia, you have
Speaker 2: very serious mental issues, and then you're able to get
Speaker 2: in a motor vehicle and drive that car without that
Speaker 2: in your body. Is it going to always happen when
Speaker 2: someone goes off their mets. No, but this can't be
Speaker 2: the first time someone's done that. Doesn't that hold that
Speaker 2: person to a level of accountability. I mean, you went,
Speaker 2: you got diagnosed that you had this problem. You deserve
Speaker 2: to treat that problem. And it's not like, you know,
Speaker 2: taking your heart Well, what are you saying, sloan in
Speaker 2: the court is going to force you to take your
Speaker 2: heart medicine, to take your you know, get your diabetes injections. No, No,
Speaker 2: because the only person you hurt is yourself. There maybe
Speaker 2: your family members, But again, we do stuff all the
Speaker 2: time that hurts our family members. That shouldn't be a
Speaker 2: criminal issue. When it extends to the public at large,
Speaker 2: it's a different story, right You. Not taking something to
Speaker 2: control your A one C is much different than taking
Speaker 2: something to prevent you from going on a psychotic rage,
Speaker 2: on a rampage and we see it have happened in
Speaker 2: the past, whether it's mass shootings or something like this.
Speaker 2: I think that's something seriously the legislature should look at.
Speaker 2: Not not all drugs that deal with psychotics were not
Speaker 2: certainly not everything you put in your body should be Hey,
Speaker 2: you listen, you forgot to take your I don't know,
Speaker 2: something for your blood pressure that's not the same as
Speaker 2: some sort of anti psychotic medication. Hopefully that's something we
Speaker 2: would address. I don't really see it happening because the
Speaker 2: mental health advocates will bend over backwards screaming about how
Speaker 2: this is just some more stigma. It stigmatizes the mental
Speaker 2: health of people even more so, and it's going to
Speaker 2: cause them not to go get the help that they need.
Speaker 2: I don't know. This guy went and got the help
Speaker 2: he need. He still refuses to abide by the plan.
Speaker 2: That seems to be as big a decision as someone
Speaker 2: drinking and driving, and yet we have high standards for that.
Speaker 2: Doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion. Something
Speaker 2: else going on here that I want to get real quick.
Speaker 2: Uh So we get Maduro out. He's in in the
Speaker 2: lock up, he's in Manhattan. Hopefully it doesn't turn into
Speaker 2: last time we had somebody in a high profile individual
Speaker 2: in jail in New York City. Uh, look what helped
Speaker 2: wind up happening. You know what I'm saying is not
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's not doesn't not like Jeffrey Epstein. Nonetheless, Nicholas
Speaker 2: Madura's wife are in custody and it was in court
Speaker 2: and the charges against them include drug trafficking, and the
Speaker 2: idea we got Madua out of powers we got to
Speaker 2: stop drug trafficking, which really there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 2: drugs he was trafficking in the US. We got to
Speaker 2: see the oil, which is the big thing. We got
Speaker 2: to save our democracy or save the democracy there. But
Speaker 2: we're back to being the world police again, which we
Speaker 2: were told this administration wouldn't do. There's the issue of
Speaker 2: American dominance and punishing Venezuela for sending our migrants to
Speaker 2: the United States. Okay, those are the reasons why we
Speaker 2: got Madua out of power, and it's a pretty long list.
Speaker 2: But there's a problem there in that if that's the standard,
Speaker 2: then what are the countries would then fall under the
Speaker 2: thumb of the United States Going Okay, we've got problem
Speaker 2: with you we're going to take you over. And since
Speaker 2: we're going down this road, it's kind of like a
Speaker 2: it's like a country draft. Right now, we're gonna run Venezuela.
Speaker 2: Hell at this point, just look at it going. Okay,
Speaker 2: if that's the mindset, let's lean into this thing. And
Speaker 2: what other countries should we invade? I mentioned jokingly yesterday
Speaker 2: Columbian that came out. They well, Columbia's actually one of
Speaker 2: the countries, largely because it shouldn't cost five dollars to
Speaker 2: get a cup of coffee with cream in it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the drug plot and cocaine, the cartel's okay, that's all
Speaker 2: well and good. I don't know if you'll ever completely
Speaker 2: get rid of it, simply because Americans love drugs. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the Brian hitting Rodney hitting rather with the
Speaker 2: drugs there. But Americans like to self medicate. We like weed,
Speaker 2: people like cocaine and heroina. I know it's not good
Speaker 2: for you, it's not good for society, but clearly there's
Speaker 2: an appetite for it. There's a market for it here.
Speaker 2: People enjoy doing they know. The pitfall is kind of
Speaker 2: like smoking, right, Warren. Smoking has been going on for
Speaker 2: a long time. Look, all the research that we spent
Speaker 2: to stop smoking, people still smile. They switched to vaping
Speaker 2: because it's less stressful, and now we're going after that
Speaker 2: as well. We love our vices here in America. We
Speaker 2: love our vices, and we love drugs. In America, we're
Speaker 2: a bunch of drug addicts. Even hell, even if you've
Speaker 2: never taken a street drug into your life, you're probably
Speaker 2: still taking some medication. Our lives are improved immeasurably by drugs,
Speaker 2: legal or otherwise. So in this case, how Columbia drug
Speaker 2: probab okay, okay, can't whatever? Worried about the coffee right,
Speaker 2: which is also a drug? Like yeah, cream a couple
Speaker 2: couple of coffees with the cream, I mean large is
Speaker 2: whatever they call the grandes. That's like ten, you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen bucks, Like it's a lot of money for some coffee, beans,
Speaker 2: man for for hot water and beans. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We can get that cup of coffee down
Speaker 2: to reasonable. What's reasonable? Two bucks two fifty two fitty
Speaker 2: I'm down Columbia should be on the line. It looks
Speaker 2: like it's like kind of a nice arie Tiffy cleaned
Speaker 2: it up a little bit get rid of the drug
Speaker 2: cart tells, hey, it seems like a good vacation spot
Speaker 2: for us. I agree with Cuba as well. They've been
Speaker 2: a pain in the ass for a long time. These guys,
Speaker 2: plus the people there are suffering. This is and that
Speaker 2: would be the best move of all time because you
Speaker 2: easily win Florida if you're a Republican. If you haven't before,
Speaker 2: you definitely you because you get that, you get that
Speaker 2: ex patriot vote right there. And let's face it, the
Speaker 2: people because of communism are aren't doing very well. Despite
Speaker 2: what people like Michael Moore say. It's a beautiful country
Speaker 2: with horrible government, not only that being Italian and saw
Speaker 2: what happened with the casinos back in the fifties with
Speaker 2: Momo Gi and Conna. You know, we built the Italian
Speaker 2: mob built the casinos down in Cuba. Fedel Castro comes along,
Speaker 2: nationalizes and kicks the mob out, and their series as
Speaker 2: to why this is why Kennedy got quit an Italian
Speaker 2: term whacked. There's something behind that as well. So I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe we get our casinos back, make the
Speaker 2: mob great again. I don't think Mexico simply because it's
Speaker 2: just you know, we think of Mexico is well, it's
Speaker 2: like Cabo or you go to I don't know, Cancum. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those are are two small areas. And I think, quite honestly,
Speaker 2: do this other stuff. It's gonna get Mexico in line
Speaker 2: because it seems like the new Mexican president she wants
Speaker 2: to play she wants to play ball, so maybe that's
Speaker 2: coming around with that. I would say to Brazil for
Speaker 2: the same reason. That's a big ass got it's a
Speaker 2: huge country man. And also lots of snakes, lots of
Speaker 2: snakes in the Amazon. You gotta do with the Amazon rainforest.
Speaker 2: Now you take that over. Now you inherit the whole
Speaker 2: problem of global warming. And you got did I mention
Speaker 2: the snakes? Giant crazy bugs as big as of Olkswagen.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't want to be in there. We
Speaker 2: don't want to be in there. Brazil, Just let Brazil
Speaker 2: be Brazil. Greenland's another one. I guess there's resources there
Speaker 2: and national security. Where's it go to? Greenland? Greenland's not
Speaker 2: really green Greenland's actually Iceland, and Iceland is actually Greenland,
Speaker 2: as we learned in grade school. I think if you're
Speaker 2: going to invade, look at it. This way, you're Greenland,
Speaker 2: this big honk of ice. Okay, maybe they got some
Speaker 2: stuff under the ground. We want whatever, let's do Iceland.
Speaker 2: It's a lot smaller, it's tiny compared to Greenland. And
Speaker 2: it's green, not Icy. It's rykevic right. You fly in,
Speaker 2: you fly out. It's nice. And not only that, if
Speaker 2: you fly to Europe, it's a good stopping point. It's
Speaker 2: a good point to get out, change, stretch your legs
Speaker 2: a little bit. Well, having to go to the hassle
Speaker 2: so you know, pass sports and maybe you stay there
Speaker 2: for well, it seems like, yeah, Greenland, that that Greenland
Speaker 2: is my Iceland seems to be the one. If we're
Speaker 2: going to take over another country, I'm all in on Iceland.
Speaker 2: Let's start there and expand that territory a little bit
Speaker 2: that way, just kind of you know, dipping our toe
Speaker 2: in the water. I think we've got this part of
Speaker 2: the hemisphere that you know, South America. Like I said,
Speaker 2: you know, you go after you get Cuba, you get Columbia,
Speaker 2: you take care of, you know, some of these other countries. Columbia, Columbia,
Speaker 2: I'll be happy with just column Columbia Cuba, those two
Speaker 2: are that's doable. It's in the time zone. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna start messing around around the other side
Speaker 2: of the go to Iceland. We don't want to be
Speaker 2: going halfway on the world though. I don't know. Do
Speaker 2: we need Jamaica, Do we need Costa Rica? Do we
Speaker 2: need the Bahamas and Perua? No, you don't really need that.
Speaker 2: Those are small, tiny little island cut let them be.
Speaker 2: We've got enough of a footprint if you just did those,
Speaker 2: I'd be quite content with that. As long as we're
Speaker 2: taking stuff over, I say, go big or go home.
Speaker 2: Trying to think other countries. What about Germany? We need
Speaker 2: a presence, and Germany's invaded other countries before. It's about
Speaker 2: time we say, well, we're taken to see how you
Speaker 2: guys like it. Gotta be like in the Smack Daba.
Speaker 2: Now we kind of need Germany now we don't want
Speaker 2: to piss off the Germans. Plus yeah, well look at
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati connection here too.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm just I don't know if I'm speaking it is anywhere.
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to think of where in Africa would
Speaker 2: you want to expand to, Like Morocco. Morocco seems like
Speaker 2: a good Gride, Casablanca. You've got that whole Humphrey Bogart
Speaker 2: thing guy, And it's not quite in the desert. It's
Speaker 2: a little bit. It's on the northern right on what's
Speaker 2: right there, Spain's right there, and maybe maybe Moroccots. He
Speaker 2: has taken a Morocco as long as we're rolling, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to think what the case would
Speaker 2: be against Morocco, because you got to you gotta gena.
Speaker 2: Like the whole thing with Venezuela is about you know,
Speaker 2: it's about drugs, and it really isn't about getting the
Speaker 2: oil out of there. I'm not sure the oil companies
Speaker 2: are too keen on doing it because you know, again
Speaker 2: it's the flavor of the month. They get in there,
Speaker 2: spend billions of dollars and then the regime changes again.
Speaker 2: Your screw, You lose all that money. You might as
Speaker 2: well just stay in the golf in the Permian basin.
Speaker 2: But I'm make I go Columbia, Cuba, Iceland, those are
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Speaker 2: welcome to it. New Year's Day is behind us and
Speaker 2: here we are. Today is a holiday. Did you know this?
Speaker 2: Today is known as divorce day? Divorce Day is today.
Speaker 2: It's because I don't know how they calculated this, but
Speaker 2: we'll run with it. We start to see a spike
Speaker 2: in divorce filings this month. I guess that makes sense
Speaker 2: because you know, you get through the holidays and you realize,
Speaker 2: as you spend a lot of time around people, because
Speaker 2: most people have the week or weeks off, there's you know, events,
Speaker 2: there's get together with friends and family and more, and
Speaker 2: you realize how mouch you hate that person who's ring
Speaker 2: is on your finger and you want to take that
Speaker 2: ring off and fired in the drink. Jason Philibaum family
Speaker 2: lawyer of Attorney at Law, joining the show once again
Speaker 2: to discuss Jason.
Speaker 6: How are you good morning, doing well? Thank you?
Speaker 2: What is the number one clause of divorce you see
Speaker 2: these days?
Speaker 6: Marriage without a doubt, if you don't get married, you
Speaker 6: will not get divorced. But all in all reality, a
Speaker 6: lot of it's about kids and finances, and so what
Speaker 6: I tell people that are looking to get married be
Speaker 6: I don't is you know, go and get pre maret,
Speaker 6: the counseling, and really talk about how you're going to
Speaker 6: raise kids, how many kids you want? You know, you
Speaker 6: get into a marriage, one person wants one, one person
Speaker 6: wants four. There's fights. I just recently did a divorce
Speaker 6: because a you know, a couple wouldn't have kids, and
Speaker 6: one of them won on it. Another big thing I
Speaker 6: see is finances. I can't tell you how many spend thrifts.
Speaker 6: There are both male and female hidden credit cards. You know,
Speaker 6: people work hard and come home and their spouse pay
Speaker 6: you know, spends all the money on whatever involve trips, shoes,
Speaker 6: I've seen both. Those are probably the too biggest. And
Speaker 6: then the third is more of a psychological question. But
Speaker 6: I think people just stop working at it, and before
Speaker 6: you know, you become roommates instead of lovers and friends,
Speaker 6: and then that creates all kinds of other issues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true. I mean I've seen it time
Speaker 2: and time again with friends where you know your kids
Speaker 2: it's all about sports and the like, I know your
Speaker 2: family's involved in that kind of stuff, and you heay,
Speaker 2: it's kids, kids, kids, and you make friends and once
Speaker 2: sports goes away, they graduate and it's like, Okay, now
Speaker 2: we have nothing in common and you kind of got
Speaker 2: to work on that before your youngest one winds up
Speaker 2: leaving the house, otherwise it could set you up for
Speaker 2: something like this exactly.
Speaker 6: And you're right. I mean I see all kinds of
Speaker 6: divorced filings in January. I get a lot of calls
Speaker 6: in December with people asking questions, and then January and
Speaker 6: February always tend to be the biggest day months that
Speaker 6: you file for divorce. I think you hit on it,
Speaker 6: which is your home with the family, and you're you know,
Speaker 6: like it's spike during COVID because people were home together
Speaker 6: and they started really, wait a second, I don't know
Speaker 6: if I like this person very much. I mean that
Speaker 6: happens to the holidays as well. But I think a
Speaker 6: lot of people are like, I just want to get
Speaker 6: through the holidays, you know, I want to give my
Speaker 6: kids one last Christmas. I want to you know not,
Speaker 6: And then I want to do it in January because
Speaker 6: I want to have it settled by the next school year,
Speaker 6: and divorces can take six to eighteen months to resolve,
Speaker 6: So if you start it in January, you probably will
Speaker 6: have a pretty good idea of what's going on by
Speaker 6: the time kids will go back to school in August.
Speaker 6: The other thing you know is tax returns. People, you know,
Speaker 6: divorces are expensive. You've got to pay attorneys, and so
Speaker 6: a lot of times people will wait until they're getting
Speaker 6: their tax returns end of January early February so they
Speaker 6: can pay legal bill.
Speaker 2: You know, if you've been around the block a little bit,
Speaker 2: you have friends, family members, whoever, who have went through divorce,
Speaker 2: and it's it's not cheap. You're one hundred percent right
Speaker 2: about that. In the division of assets, in the accra,
Speaker 2: all the things involved with it just terrific. Is I
Speaker 2: remember anyone who goes through it and goes you know,
Speaker 2: maybe because when we're compatible, but man, the financial burden,
Speaker 2: the stress of going through this is just its next level.
Speaker 2: So would your advice then be, hey, try to settle
Speaker 2: this before you come to see me, because no one
Speaker 2: is ever happy. No one leaves with what they want
Speaker 2: in a divorce.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So what I recommend to clients is, first of all,
Speaker 6: I find out are they in a position where we
Speaker 6: can maybe do a dissolution, because that'll cut a cost
Speaker 6: by you know, seventy five eighty percent. It really really
Speaker 6: streamlines it if you can do a dissolution, but you
Speaker 6: have to agree on everything, one hundred percent agreement, and
Speaker 6: very quickly I can find out in a free consultation
Speaker 6: I give to clients whether or not they're likely to
Speaker 6: have in the solution. If not, then you're going to
Speaker 6: have to file. You're going to have to go through
Speaker 6: that process. And you're right if other than the death
Speaker 6: in the family, divorce usually is the most stressful time
Speaker 6: that you're going to go through in your life. I
Speaker 6: see it, you know, even if you don't have kids,
Speaker 6: but especially when you have kids, because even if you're
Speaker 6: the best parents in the whole world, you're losing half
Speaker 6: the time with your children, You're doubling your expenses, and
Speaker 6: you're cutting half your income away. So it's very stressful
Speaker 6: for pretty much everyone that goes through it, whether they
Speaker 6: want it or not.
Speaker 2: It is very strategy to do this as far as
Speaker 2: timing goes, you mentioned taxes. What else do you have
Speaker 2: to consider?
Speaker 6: So the biggest issue I tell people is you have
Speaker 6: to think about school. If you file in May and
Speaker 6: you hope that you're going to have the school situation
Speaker 6: settled by August and the parents are not in a lie,
Speaker 6: it's not going to happen. So I think people, you know,
Speaker 6: six to eighteen months for a divorced so somewhere between
Speaker 6: October and January is the prime filing if you want
Speaker 6: to have things settled at least from a kid's perspective,
Speaker 6: by by you know, August when they go back to school.
Speaker 6: I've had divorce couples come to me and say, hey,
Speaker 6: I want to change school and the other person doesn't agree.
Speaker 6: And by the way, it's July. I'm like, the course
Speaker 6: are not going to hear your case within a month.
Speaker 6: You're not going to be able to switch schools in
Speaker 6: a month unless you have an agreement. So people that
Speaker 6: are looking to switch gold even post divorce, still have
Speaker 6: the file emotion and get into court, and you know,
Speaker 6: I recommend doing that by March or April, so you know, divorce,
Speaker 6: I think January is a good time for that. Filing
Speaker 6: in December is always rough. So that's why people wait
Speaker 6: till January. And then there's probably a whole host of
Speaker 6: things I tell clients when they call either in November December,
Speaker 6: you know, things that they should and shouldn't do before
Speaker 6: and during the original filing part of it.
Speaker 2: Attorney Jason Phillibum on The Scotsland Show seven hundred W
Speaker 2: l W. Today is divorce day, known as divorce day
Speaker 2: because this is peak day people start coming in after
Speaker 2: the holidays and realizing I shouldn't be married to this person,
Speaker 2: and they file for divorce. And so you see the
Speaker 2: spike all the way through because you suffer through the
Speaker 2: holidays and that probably finalized the deal, or you wanted
Speaker 2: to get through the holidays because of you know, hanging
Speaker 2: out with family members and friends and the kids and
Speaker 2: all that stuff too, and then you want to go, okay,
Speaker 2: well we're going to start the new year. My resolution
Speaker 2: is to to dumpyard dead ass. How much time? How
Speaker 2: often is it is it? Is it usually mutual that
Speaker 2: couples kind of come in together. Are they come in
Speaker 2: and go, okay, well we talked about it, we're gonna
Speaker 2: we're gonna break up, As opposed to the very theatrical
Speaker 2: one where someone will gets served and they have no no,
Speaker 2: and they had no warning ahead of time.
Speaker 6: Well, I would say a lot of people have warning
Speaker 6: ahead of time. They see the warning signs, they talked
Speaker 6: about it. But with that said, there's still a lot
Speaker 6: of people that just don't agree. Even if you're unhappy
Speaker 6: in your marriage, whether it's a guy or a girl,
Speaker 6: whether you're unhappy, you don't want to get divorced. You
Speaker 6: don't want to put your kids through that. So I
Speaker 6: would say, you know, other than a dissolution, a lot
Speaker 6: of divorces are self contested and they sell bite and
Speaker 6: I'll give you some free I gave you a shelf
Speaker 6: fre invites. I'm going to give you the same freevit.
Speaker 6: But in all seriousness, there's a few things I tell
Speaker 6: every client that calls me. Number one is treat your
Speaker 6: house right now like an insurance claim. Go through in
Speaker 6: videotape everything you have in the house videotape. The you
Speaker 6: know whether it's in good condition or bad condition. One
Speaker 6: of the big fights that we have is, oh, that
Speaker 6: paintings worth five thousand dollars and the other person said, no,
Speaker 6: that painting. We got rid of it three years ago.
Speaker 6: Well there's a video of it on the wall two
Speaker 6: weeks ago, so that's not true. Or you know, they'll say, hey,
Speaker 6: that this item is worth this amount of money and
Speaker 6: I'm like, no, this is the shape that it's in,
Speaker 6: it's not. So you do it for insurance. So I say,
Speaker 6: it's not a bad idea to go through and just
Speaker 6: videotape your items in your house. Insurance companies tell you
Speaker 6: to do that in cases of five or a fact.
Speaker 6: So before you start a divorce process, that's that would
Speaker 6: be a nice way to catalog everything. The second thing
Speaker 6: I tell people is don't move out of the house
Speaker 6: unless there's domestic violence or danger or you know, things
Speaker 6: like that. Don't move out of the house because you
Speaker 6: are giving up probably your most important asset and losing
Speaker 6: control of that during the divorce process. Plus, if you
Speaker 6: have kids and you don't have a plan for you know,
Speaker 6: what kind of parenting time you can have during the
Speaker 6: tendency of the divorce, it could take three to six
Speaker 6: months for court to make a decision on what parenting
Speaker 6: time is. So if you move out, I've seen situations
Speaker 6: where people have been kind of kept away from their
Speaker 6: kids for months. So those are the two biggest pieces
Speaker 6: of advice I give is don't move out without talking
Speaker 6: to an attorney first, and catalog your items just by
Speaker 6: doing a quick you know, video of it like you
Speaker 6: would for insurance Jase.
Speaker 2: The other one is money, and I mean, we have
Speaker 2: a lot of passwords these days. Should you go through
Speaker 2: once this looks like it's going to happen and change
Speaker 2: all your passwords the ones that he or she may
Speaker 2: know of. Check the beneficiary as insurance policy. Make sure
Speaker 2: your bank accounts aren't going to get cleaned out, because
Speaker 2: you hear that from time to time as well. How
Speaker 2: do you protect yourself with the capital that you have
Speaker 2: on hand or actually the thing's worth something that you
Speaker 2: have on hand.
Speaker 6: Sure, there's two distinctions. The first one, if something's been filed,
Speaker 6: the court's going to put on a temporary restraining order
Speaker 6: that says you cannot sell or dispose of items. So
Speaker 6: at that point you got to be careful what you do,
Speaker 6: So talk to an attorney specifically before you do anything.
Speaker 6: If there's been a filing. Prior to filing, what a
Speaker 6: lot of people will do is is to do exactly
Speaker 6: what you said. They want to make sure that their
Speaker 6: money is in order. If there's a huge savings account,
Speaker 6: some people are afraid the other side might take it
Speaker 6: and dispose of it. So I always tell people, don't
Speaker 6: dispose of it. That's going to come back to bite you.
Speaker 6: Don't go to the boat, don't go to the casino.
Speaker 6: But I think it's okay to put it in another
Speaker 6: safe account that's held there until the court decides how
Speaker 6: to divide it. I've had a situation where a guy
Speaker 6: had a lot of money in savings. He took it out,
Speaker 6: he put it in another staving's account, filed for divorce,
Speaker 6: and then very quickly I spoke with the other attorney
Speaker 6: and said, hey, he's willing to split this this marital assets,
Speaker 6: but make sure we take that into account at the
Speaker 6: end of the cave. And so we did a temporary agreement,
Speaker 6: we split the money. That's I had another situation where
Speaker 6: I advised the client to do that, he didn't and
Speaker 6: the life took it and then he was without the
Speaker 6: ability to pay bills. So that those are all concerns,
Speaker 6: and that's why I give a free consultation, and I
Speaker 6: suggest before you do anything like that, talk to an attorney,
Speaker 6: so you do it. The right way. You do it
Speaker 6: the legal way, and then you do it the fair way,
Speaker 6: because at the end of the day, in Ohio, the
Speaker 6: court is going to split it over your assets and
Speaker 6: all your dad's fifty to fifty unless there's financial misconduct
Speaker 6: or something like that. It's the fifty to fifty state.
Speaker 6: And so you want to make sure you act fairly
Speaker 6: because the judge is going to require that at the end.
Speaker 2: What about social media? You know, when someone files for
Speaker 2: divorces split up, generally there's some macrimony there. And you
Speaker 2: tell me you may a lash out that you don't
Speaker 2: want to do anything. You basically want to keep the
Speaker 2: status quo.
Speaker 6: Yes, because divorces are very emotional, and again it happens
Speaker 6: on both sides, men and women. They get very emotional
Speaker 6: during divorces. And you know, this is a business transaction.
Speaker 6: It's a mass problem. Let's take all your assets, divide
Speaker 6: by two, all your debts divide by two, and then's
Speaker 6: figure out what's tech interest for your kids. That's a
Speaker 6: very simple equation, but it becomes so complicated because there's
Speaker 6: so much emotion. And so I tell clients don't do
Speaker 6: anything that's going to you know, put fire on the flame.
Speaker 6: You've got a fire right now, and you know your
Speaker 6: life is kind of burning. That's how the forces are.
Speaker 6: That's contain it. Let's get it to make sure there's
Speaker 6: no long term damage. You start going on social media
Speaker 6: and posting about a new boyfriend or girlfriend, or post
Speaker 6: about all the bad things you're spouted, just take gasoline
Speaker 6: import on that fire. It's no longer a controllable situation.
Speaker 6: So I tell people, you know, it's not something you
Speaker 6: have to do. You don't have to not talk about
Speaker 6: your divorce, but I would very much keep everything off
Speaker 6: social media because you don't want to do anything to
Speaker 6: make it more difficult than it already is.
Speaker 2: All right, before we go, Jason on this divorce day,
Speaker 2: what if you are just completely blindsided about this, because
Speaker 2: that happens probably more often than you think, where someone
Speaker 2: says everything's fye. Next thing you know, they're being served
Speaker 2: papers and you're caught like a deer in headlights. I
Speaker 2: obviously the first step would be to hire an attorney immediately.
Speaker 2: It's not sooner, but there's all sorts of deadlines. I
Speaker 2: know people who have gone, well, I just ignore it,
Speaker 2: maybe it'll go away, and it doesn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's actually the first thought I had when you
Speaker 6: ask that question, and do not put your head in
Speaker 6: the sand. You may not want it, you may want
Speaker 6: to fight it. There are ways that we can, you know,
Speaker 6: sort of delay it to see if there's a way
Speaker 6: for reconciliation. But the most important thing you should do
Speaker 6: is get an attorney. Do it right away. You've got
Speaker 6: to make sure your rights are protected. You've got to
Speaker 6: make sure all the two lines are protected, and then
Speaker 6: we can talk about strategies moving forward. The worst thing
Speaker 6: you can do, though, is put your head in the
Speaker 6: stand and ignore it. Even even people that file their
Speaker 6: own answer you know, I don't want to do this,
Speaker 6: or I don't want a divorce. I don't think you know,
Speaker 6: we're not you know whatever that's stell you're putting yourself.
Speaker 6: I've had a situation where a person tried to do
Speaker 6: it on their own and end up getting blocked from
Speaker 6: seeing their kids for nine months. Had they got an attorney,
Speaker 6: I think I think that would have probably only been
Speaker 6: about a month. So there's a lot of things that
Speaker 6: can go wrong by trying to do it doing it yourself.
Speaker 6: So don't put your head in the stand. Get an attorney.
Speaker 6: Right away, and then you know, counseling. You know, I
Speaker 6: do refer not specifically two people, but I tell clients
Speaker 6: you should talk to a counselor because this is, like
Speaker 6: I said at the beginning of the call, one of
Speaker 6: the most difficult situations you're going to go through outside
Speaker 6: of death in the family. And you know, if you
Speaker 6: had a death in the family and you're feeling this way,
Speaker 6: you'd go talk to a counselor. I think it's okay
Speaker 6: to have someone that you can kind of dump your
Speaker 6: mental track with because this is going to be sort
Speaker 6: of a long fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know for sure I've never been to this,
Speaker 2: fortunately knock Wood, thank God. But there's a limited amount
Speaker 2: of time you have to sign those spaed you don't
Speaker 2: respond to the papers, you're an automatic default. There's judgments
Speaker 2: filed against you automatically if you don't respond correct.
Speaker 6: Yes, you have twenty eight days to file and answer. However,
Speaker 6: a lot of times they will ask for temporary orders
Speaker 6: thousand support and support parenting time. You have fourteen days
Speaker 6: to respond to that. So if you don't get an
Speaker 6: attorney within those first fourteen days, you could have an
Speaker 6: award go into a fact that's temporary that you can't afford.
Speaker 6: You know, I've seen you know, hopefully attorneys don't do this,
Speaker 6: but I've seen people, you know, say your style is
Speaker 6: three hundred thousand dollars when it's fifty. And then all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, the judge is awarding an order based
Speaker 6: on a three hundred thousand dollars amount instead of a
Speaker 6: fifty one thousand dollars amount. And then now you're paying
Speaker 6: something that you can't avoid, and it's going to take
Speaker 6: months to get that change. So fourteen days if there's
Speaker 6: temporary orders requested, twenty eight days to file a formal answer.
Speaker 6: But you should get an attorney right away. They can
Speaker 6: look at the paperwork and they can tell you, you know,
Speaker 6: what needs to be done.
Speaker 2: And when Yeah, it's sad. How many times do people
Speaker 2: come to you and then realize, hey, this, you know what,
Speaker 2: maybe we can work it out because you think, ah,
Speaker 2: divorce ripped the band aid off. It's it's basically a
Speaker 2: year of hell. Everyone I've known that's gone through this,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, an agreeable divorces, you may even disillusions,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of pain and emotion and that is
Speaker 2: tough to tamp down because we are emotional creatures, as
Speaker 2: you said. But how many people come to you in
Speaker 2: Afric consulting attorneys try to fix it or wind up
Speaker 2: walking away going you know what, we'll just we'll deal
Speaker 2: with it. We'll figure this out.
Speaker 6: So I've I've been doing this twenty six years, and
Speaker 6: I've been doing the worst cases, you know, pretty much
Speaker 6: full time for sixteen years. And I can tell you
Speaker 6: that I can count on my right hand how many
Speaker 6: times people have gotten back together. Two of those were
Speaker 6: during the divorce. They filed emotion to essentially stay it
Speaker 6: so they can reconcile, and they did. Three was accid
Speaker 6: of divorce, the divorce ended, and then a few, you know,
Speaker 6: months later, they started dating again. And my recommendation is
Speaker 6: still don't remarry. But still it doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 6: So I tell clients it's okay to hope that you
Speaker 6: might reconcile, It's okay to request the counseling, but you
Speaker 6: need you need to go forward with the idea that
Speaker 6: this is happening, and my job is to help walk
Speaker 6: you through the divorce, you know. And again you go
Speaker 6: to a counselor and they'll talk to you about the
Speaker 6: other part of it. But you know what, pure numbers,
Speaker 6: it's very rare. It's a lot more rare than people think.
Speaker 2: Till about you on that team Scott or team Michelle.
Speaker 2: If it comes down to.
Speaker 6: The right now, you know, yeah, the few.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I've talked to many attorneys and they
Speaker 2: always side with my wife, going, no, you do whatever
Speaker 2: she does. You got a comming son.
Speaker 6: Didn't you tell me not to go to war with
Speaker 6: someone that has the air waves every day? With that said,
Speaker 6: you know who I like better is a whole different story. Yes, right, yes, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm on the radio. I'm on your side, and.
Speaker 2: We got divorce. I'd be on her side too. It's
Speaker 2: like take it all you deserve it. Attorney Jason Phillips.
Speaker 6: I just got a tech from Michelle.
Speaker 2: Michelle, I am teasing, yes, yes, yes, yes, So she's
Speaker 2: all over this or radar one off. Jason phil Obama
Speaker 2: attorney a law. He's he's the best. If you need him,
Speaker 2: he's there for you.
Speaker 6: Jason.
Speaker 2: Thanks again, appreciate you.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, run it a little bit late here and
Speaker 2: yeah after this it' said's simply not happening. But man,
Speaker 2: I've still so many friends, as you know, been through
Speaker 2: this and you may have as well. It's a really,
Speaker 2: really difficult thing. But today is divorce Day twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Just so you know, seven hundred deul do all the
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Speaker 6: Talk about money, how to make it, how to keep it,
Speaker 6: and how to keep others off your stack.
Speaker 2: This is all worth advice with Andy Schaeffer. Andy, happy you.
Speaker 6: Good morning.
Speaker 2: Happy Now you're Scott.
Speaker 6: How are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well because the markets are doing well. We
Speaker 2: should all be happy about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I think the markets so far have kind of shrugged
Speaker 11: off the arrest of Nicholas Maduro by the United States.
Speaker 11: I don't think it's going to have a near term
Speaker 11: economic consequence for the globalifications will reverberate for years to come,
Speaker 11: but it remains to be seen. A lot of oil
Speaker 11: heavy and energy heavy stocks performed very well yesterday and
Speaker 11: that's what really drove the market.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and things are looking up and you think, man, okay, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna take over the leader of Venezuelan and incarcerat
Speaker 2: them and charge them, and you think the market to
Speaker 2: go bonkers. And they're not what we often talk about.
Speaker 2: How you know, the markets are about green, not blue
Speaker 2: or red. But there is a certain amount of impact
Speaker 2: the president or administration will have on the markets on
Speaker 2: a day to day basis. For sure, Why didn't we see,
Speaker 2: in your opinion, any movement this way? Why do things
Speaker 2: get better not worse?
Speaker 6: Well, you have to.
Speaker 11: Understand politics only plays about a seventeen percent role in
Speaker 11: our total GDP. So while it does have an impact,
Speaker 11: most of our economy is driven by the consumer. We're
Speaker 11: seventy percent of the total GDP that we measure. And
Speaker 11: so with Venezuela, you have to understand since twenty ten,
Speaker 11: their infrastructure has diminished significantly. They had a mass exodus
Speaker 11: in twenty thirteen. And as far as their oil production,
Speaker 11: they used to account for about one percent of global
Speaker 11: GDP and produce around three point five million barrels per day.
Speaker 11: Today it only represents abouero point one percent of the
Speaker 11: world GDP and produces only about you know, less than that,
Speaker 11: you know as we move forward, and a lot of
Speaker 11: that has to do with the infrastructure decline under Chavez
Speaker 11: and Maduro over the years.
Speaker 6: And the other.
Speaker 11: Significant impact is that you know, the oil in Venezuela,
Speaker 11: which is the largest proven reserves that we know of,
Speaker 11: is very heavy. It takes a lot of cost to
Speaker 11: refine and produce. And so while it seems that there
Speaker 11: could be a shakeup, from a geopolitical standpoint, you know,
Speaker 11: Venezuela's economy is not very robust. It only accounts for
Speaker 11: about one hundred and twenty billion dollars when the United
Speaker 11: States is about thirty trillion, and so Venezuela's economy is
Speaker 11: about the size of West Virginia's and so in the
Speaker 11: big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter today as
Speaker 11: far as this is concerned from an economic standpoint. Geopolitically
Speaker 11: is a total different conversation. But from an economic standpoint,
Speaker 11: it doesn't really move the needle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that it makes sense. And as far as
Speaker 2: all the futures, but particularly oil stocks did really really
Speaker 2: well yesterday on that news. But I look at it
Speaker 2: and go, man, it's it's that's a lot to ask
Speaker 2: because you know, as you know, drilling anything you've watched
Speaker 2: Landman for example, which is an awesome show, you know
Speaker 2: how expensive it is just to drill and speculate on
Speaker 2: the oil markets too. I would think if I were
Speaker 2: one of the big oil companies. And maybe this is
Speaker 2: why they're not saying much about this outside of Chevron,
Speaker 2: I think is that they don't know what the political
Speaker 2: situation is. The last thing you want to do is
Speaker 2: spend hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars to
Speaker 2: explore in Venezuela. They have some regime come and cut
Speaker 2: you out and nationalize it again. And so it isn't
Speaker 2: it safer for them to continue to drill in the
Speaker 2: golf and in the premium basin.
Speaker 11: Yeah, the permium basin makes a lot of sense, and
Speaker 11: there's a lot of clean shale there, you know, so
Speaker 11: it makes it easier to extract and refine. But you know,
Speaker 11: if you're looking at it from an energy company's perspective,
Speaker 11: this will likely shake out over the next few months
Speaker 11: to get a better understanding of what the political picture
Speaker 11: is going to look like in Venezuela, and there is
Speaker 11: there will be a lot of room for investment opportunity,
Speaker 11: and that's what these companies are looking at now. Overall,
Speaker 11: when you talk about oil and the price of the
Speaker 11: price of oil, the bigger picture is that the rising
Speaker 11: output in the United States and OPEC will dominate oil
Speaker 11: market dynamics for the coming years. And so just because
Speaker 11: of you know, those two entities, we expect the global
Speaker 11: supply growth over the next year so to push oil
Speaker 11: prices down to about fifty dollars per barrel. So again
Speaker 11: it's it's more about US as as opposed to Venezuela.
Speaker 11: And you know, I think some energy companies have some
Speaker 11: I would say hesitant optimism about investment in Venezuela.
Speaker 6: Then time will tell.
Speaker 2: All right, from a financial market standpoint, Andy Schaeffer, which
Speaker 2: country should we invade next?
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know that makes me a little bit uneasy
Speaker 11: obviously that you know, Maduro was a bad guy. But
Speaker 11: you know, but I think that's why you have to
Speaker 11: stay on your toes as far as you know, from
Speaker 11: an investment point of view and an economic standpoint. You know,
Speaker 11: but when you go throughout history and you look at
Speaker 11: all the conflicts that we've been in, whether it's been
Speaker 11: Desert Storm or the Cuman missile crisis, World War two,
Speaker 11: you have to remember that the mark of the time
Speaker 11: has met and exceeded its previous highs.
Speaker 6: It's just a matter of time.
Speaker 11: So if you have a smart plan in place, with
Speaker 11: a portfolio that you're able to adjust, You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 11: And so usually these conflicts will you know, crash headlines
Speaker 11: and the market will react, you know, in a in
Speaker 11: an instant, but over the long term it really doesn't
Speaker 11: have a major effect on our global GP.
Speaker 2: You really never answered the question, you know that, right?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Do you like that tap dance?
Speaker 2: I vote Columbia because coffee is too damn expensive. Should
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee? But I mean coffee with cream
Speaker 2: and not one of these you know drinks like you
Speaker 2: like where it's got whipped cream and chocolate shavings and
Speaker 2: parts of a birch tree in it. God knows what
Speaker 2: else looks like. It looks like one of them bougie
Speaker 2: bloody Mary's, you know, with the celery and I'll shrimp
Speaker 2: on it. There's a half a chicken. Uh yeah, those
Speaker 2: things should cost more, but yeah, five bucks or a
Speaker 2: cup of black coffee. I think Columbia said that we
Speaker 2: should have all the countries. I think we should go
Speaker 2: after Columbia next.
Speaker 6: Well, I will I will say this.
Speaker 11: First of all, we buy our coffee from a local
Speaker 11: here in New Richmond, which we love, so we brew
Speaker 11: our own at home to try to save some money.
Speaker 11: But I will say Columbia is keeping a close eye
Speaker 11: on this, and I would say, you know from a
Speaker 11: serious note that if we were going to take action
Speaker 11: somewhere else, Columbia would likely be next.
Speaker 2: I think that's great, let's get that. And should a
Speaker 2: cup of coffee should not be more than a buck?
Speaker 2: I don't care. And I'm factoring and of course for
Speaker 2: inflation and all that stuff. I know, a nickel back
Speaker 2: in the nineteen thirties when Willie was my age. You know,
Speaker 2: it's such a different thing now today dollars seems like
Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'd go up to probably two bucks, But man,
Speaker 2: after five for a cup of coffee is insane. Andy
Speaker 2: Schaefer here from all Worth Financial and simply money, a
Speaker 2: little money check this morning. I know the Fed met
Speaker 2: in December last year obviously too, and we again get
Speaker 2: to kick the tires every week on how the US
Speaker 2: economy is doing overall. Despite the huge bump yesterday in
Speaker 2: the market's record dat on Wall Street, how are things
Speaker 2: overall now that we've had in the first month of
Speaker 2: the new year.
Speaker 11: Yeah, So we received the minutes from the Federal Reserves
Speaker 11: the summer meeting, and it indicates that the FOMC saw
Speaker 11: the economy continuing to expand at a moderate pace. The
Speaker 11: labor market is gradually cooling, you know, just like we've discussed,
Speaker 11: even though inflation has started to come down a little bit.
Speaker 11: You know, I think when you kind of look into
Speaker 11: some of the details of the minutes, you know, we're
Speaker 11: seeing that, you know, we are gradually coming back to
Speaker 11: the Fed's preferred inflation measure of two percent. Policymakers cited
Speaker 11: higher tariffs as a key driver of core goods inflations,
Speaker 11: and so we're starting to get a little bit more
Speaker 11: clarity there.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 11: You know what does this all mean, Well, it means
Speaker 11: that the FED can start to pivot and start to
Speaker 11: attack the labor market a little better to make sure
Speaker 11: that it remains healthy. We are seeing some sticky inflation
Speaker 11: in other areas, particularly manufacturing. We received the ISM manufacturing
Speaker 11: data survey data yesterday which showed a little bit more
Speaker 11: cooling than what was expected, and most of those supply
Speaker 11: managers cited the fact that there is still uncertainty with
Speaker 11: teriffs and that's causing a lot of us within their markets.
Speaker 11: You know, we're gonna we receive the Ism Services data
Speaker 11: this morning. I have yet to kind of unpack that,
Speaker 11: but I think, you know, to kind of summarize all
Speaker 11: of this. You know, what we're looking at is that
Speaker 11: the FED feels pretty good about where we are. They
Speaker 11: do think that the quarter percent cut will help the
Speaker 11: labor market moving forward over you know, into twenty twenty six,
Speaker 11: but you know, they are looking at other things. One
Speaker 11: of the one of the things that I thought was
Speaker 11: was very promising is that we continued, you to see
Speaker 11: housing prices come down a little bit. And I think
Speaker 11: the fact that we've cut rates over the last year
Speaker 11: and a half or so is starting to help the
Speaker 11: housing market a little bit better. What about inventory there, Yeah,
Speaker 11: so the inventory you know, is pretty stable. We're seeing
Speaker 11: inventory somewhere around fifty percent, you know, and getting back
Speaker 11: to the home sales, you know, that stronger than expected
Speaker 11: three point three percent in November. That's the four straight
Speaker 11: monthly increase in signal, you know, the incremental improvement heading
Speaker 11: into two thousand and twenty six. And so you know,
Speaker 11: we're starting to see some momentum there. And Scott, I
Speaker 11: don't know if you see it, you know, with with
Speaker 11: with you know, in your business have you Have you
Speaker 11: seen any type of effect there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems pretty stady. It's tough around the holidays.
Speaker 2: A lot of people like to look, but not necessarily
Speaker 2: by at this point. So it seems like it you
Speaker 2: know that that you know, what's on the market is
Speaker 2: not moving it is. It has been over the last
Speaker 2: coming on maybe a year or two ago for sure.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it seems like it's just starting to loosen up
Speaker 11: a little bit and and hopefully, you know, as the
Speaker 11: race continue to fall, it'll loosen up a little bit
Speaker 11: more and encourage people to really sell their homes. You know,
Speaker 11: that's the biggest issue that it's been, is that people
Speaker 11: have been reluctant to move out of their homes because
Speaker 11: they have good interest rates. And so does interest rates
Speaker 11: continue to fall, maybe that will encourage people to start
Speaker 11: to move around and create some activity.
Speaker 2: It should, and of course more stock will we'll do
Speaker 2: that as well. All right, So as we move ahead
Speaker 2: to the next week, here, what numbers are we looking
Speaker 2: at coming in?
Speaker 11: Yeah, so this week is going to be fairly interesting,
Speaker 11: you know, and Wednesday we're going to get the ADP employment.
Speaker 11: I have some services index as well job openings, but
Speaker 11: really what we're looking at is Friday is kind of
Speaker 11: the big day. That's when we get the all the
Speaker 11: ployment numbers. We're going to get the unemployment rate, the
Speaker 11: hourly wages, housing starts, et cetera. And then next week
Speaker 11: is when we begin earning season, and so that will
Speaker 11: ramp up. And that's always very telling about where we
Speaker 11: are from an economic standpoint, to see how these companies
Speaker 11: are performing, and not only the numbers that they come
Speaker 11: out with, but also the guidance of how they feel
Speaker 11: about their corporations moving forward into twenty twenty six and beyond.
Speaker 2: As we are in the first week in the new year,
Speaker 2: let's put your personal finance hat on for just a
Speaker 2: second here, Andy Schaeffer, what should you be doing to
Speaker 2: get rid? I know, tax Day obviously is going to
Speaker 2: approach soon enough. A lot of people will wait till
Speaker 2: last minute to get all their stuff together. That's a
Speaker 2: factor and as well, but you know, looking through and
Speaker 2: seeing what the new limits are for contributions and such. Now,
Speaker 2: if you didn't do that over the break, now would
Speaker 2: be a good time to do that.
Speaker 6: What's that entail?
Speaker 11: Yeah, So, I mean there's a lot of things that
Speaker 11: you want to keep an eye on You want to
Speaker 11: make sure that you keep.
Speaker 6: An eye on your income.
Speaker 11: You know, if you're a retiree and you have a
Speaker 11: certain amount of income coming from a traditional IRA or
Speaker 11: a four to one K, you want to try to
Speaker 11: make sure that you stay underneath IRMA limits. You also
Speaker 11: want to make sure that you know your rmds are
Speaker 11: taken care of. If you're the over the age of
Speaker 11: seventy three, then you need to start taking your require
Speaker 11: minimum distributions and a lot of times when people take
Speaker 11: regular recurring distributions on a monthly basis, you want to
Speaker 11: make sure that that exceeds the total amount for the year.
Speaker 11: You also want to rebalance your portfolio and take a
Speaker 11: look at that as well. You know, with the increase
Speaker 11: that we've had in the market over the last three years,
Speaker 11: if you have a target of let's say a sixty
Speaker 11: forty portfolio organically, that can get out of whack a
Speaker 11: little bit because of the surge that we've had in
Speaker 11: equities to where maybe you're a little bit overbalanced, and
Speaker 11: so you want to take a look at that and
Speaker 11: also take make sure in an after tax account that
Speaker 11: you manage your capital gains and try to limit those
Speaker 11: as much as possible using tax loss harvesting. So there's
Speaker 11: many things that you need to be looking at at
Speaker 11: the beginning part of this year, and I would suggest
Speaker 11: that you consult with your financial advisor to go over
Speaker 11: some strategies you know that makes sense for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, especially if you get a little
Speaker 2: bit older here too, and you start you know, there's
Speaker 2: more years behind you that are in front of you.
Speaker 2: It's very important to get all that stuff together, especially
Speaker 2: if you're thinking about maybe retiring in the next year
Speaker 2: or two.
Speaker 11: Yeah, especially if you're starting to think about retiring and
Speaker 11: in the next year too, you want to kind of
Speaker 11: get you know, that your ducks in a row. To
Speaker 11: make sure that you've communicated to your employer, You've talked
Speaker 11: to HR, you've made decisions about what to do with
Speaker 11: your four to one K, you've come up with a
Speaker 11: distribution plan of what makes sense to continue to live
Speaker 11: the life that you've been living while you had employment,
Speaker 11: and overall to get a financial plan together. You know,
Speaker 11: one of the things is to make sure you don't
Speaker 11: run out of money. But if you have a financial
Speaker 11: plan and you have some answers, maybe you can spend
Speaker 11: more in retirement if you don't have specific legacy or
Speaker 11: charity goals. And that's the fun part of my job
Speaker 11: is you know, if the financial health of my client
Speaker 11: is in place, I'm going to encourage them to spend
Speaker 11: more and do more things and so that I can
Speaker 11: vicariously live through them through their retirement. And that's one
Speaker 11: of my favorite parts of my job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's pretty cool to make sure because you've
Speaker 2: never had any client and all the what almost closer
Speaker 2: to thirty years and that has to come out of retirement,
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen.
Speaker 11: No, I've had a few that haven't listened to my
Speaker 11: advice that I have gone by.
Speaker 9: The wayside, But I would say ninety.
Speaker 6: Eight percent of them are having a blast right now.
Speaker 2: If you follow the advice and you have a fight
Speaker 2: out financial professional like Andy, they will guide you say, yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen because there's a certain fear you go, wow, okay,
Speaker 2: now I'm going to retire, Especially if you retire early,
Speaker 2: I got to worry about healthcare benefits and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And you know, of course, if you've got that kind
Speaker 2: of luck, you go, hey, you know, I've got two years,
Speaker 2: so I can get Social Security and Medicaid things like that,
Speaker 2: and then you get sick and it's a lot out
Speaker 2: of pocket. So professional make sure that does not happen
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and again, and that's the key, and you and
Speaker 11: everybody goes through it. You're not alone if you're near
Speaker 11: retirement age and you're nervous about it. You know, everybody
Speaker 11: goes through it because they're not used to having not
Speaker 11: having an income and it's like, man, can I really
Speaker 11: do this? And I think that's why it's important to
Speaker 11: get it on paper, run some analysis on that because
Speaker 11: for a lot of people they see better than they hear,
Speaker 11: and it's important just to get the reassurance from your
Speaker 11: financial advisor that you can actually do it and do
Speaker 11: it comfortably.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're lucky enough right and planned ahead, and
Speaker 2: a lot of luck is involved in that as well.
Speaker 2: So it's foresight on your part. Andy Shaffer over all
Speaker 2: Worth Financial there shows simply it's tonight. It's six o'clock
Speaker 2: on fifty five KRC every weeknight for that matter. Drew,
Speaker 2: thanks again, talk next week.
Speaker 6: Okay, Scott, talk to you next week.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. I've got Willie standingby in just minutes and
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