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Speaker 2: On average, you have around twenty one devices which are

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Speaker 2: don't think this affects you, it's probably coming to your area,

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Speaker 3: It's progressing, it's moving forward. There's a lot of community input.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what raised the red flags for you about

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Speaker 2: So this isn't completely going, Hey, we don't want a

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Speaker 3: No, I would say everyone is of the mindset, where

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a critical point because in this

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Speaker 3: The debate on whether NDA's is standard practice or not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get the argument, and you, you guys,

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Speaker 2: County officials there will switch to the jobs saying they said, well,

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Speaker 3: So job creation, the studies have shown that you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what about the element of what about the

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Speaker 3: There are nothing go some of your knows that. But

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Speaker 3: They have not. Mike had the option to enforce those

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Speaker 2: No, it's okay.

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Speaker 3: So what would make the situation any different in Appalasha areas?

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Speaker 2: for reasons we don't. The obvious reasons would be infrastructures

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Speaker 2: power plants. Is it kind of like you're turning your

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Speaker 3: Are there no I would disagree with that. The sites

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Scott, you know on behalf of the people

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Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, you hear that, you go. It doesn't really,

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