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Speaker 1: We had out to the Kwa Komas Spirit Health Hotline.

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing a friend of the program, Parker Gabriel with

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Speaker 1: the Denver Post. Parker, good afternoon, Happy holidays, sir. How

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Speaker 1: are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Ryan, Happy holidays to you too. How

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Speaker 2: are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great, man, I'm doing great. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: a kind of late night, I think for everybody, but

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Speaker 1: we're we're here and we're obviously still breaking down the season,

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Speaker 1: which has been a very good one. What was the

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Speaker 1: locker room last night? That's kind of what I wanted

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Speaker 1: to start, is you know, it felt like when I

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Speaker 1: not happy with how they played against Jacksonville. They were

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Speaker 1: looking for a bounce back performance. Did you get the

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Speaker 1: sense that they had a relief of how they played

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Speaker 1: were like, no, we're still very much dialed into what's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think both, but it definitely was not. I

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Speaker 2: know there was I know, it's you know, a close

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Speaker 2: game against a bad team that's injured, beyond belief and

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Speaker 2: playing thirsty and quarterback and all of that, and and

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Speaker 2: you know you had to ward off. You had a

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Speaker 2: the fringe of scoring territory. But there was none of that. Really,

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Speaker 2: none of that seemed to fase the guys last night

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Speaker 2: in the locker room, and it was a happy team,

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Speaker 2: like they know they know at this point in the season.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Sean Payton said it after the game, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to be aesthetically pleasing. Of course, you might

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Speaker 2: like it to be every once in a while, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be. They won their one win

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Speaker 2: away from a division championship and a one seat regardless

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Speaker 2: of what happens tomorrow. They could have the division wrapped

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Speaker 2: the Chargers next weekend either way, Like this is a

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Speaker 2: group that understands that at this point, everything they wants

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Speaker 2: really matter how close it was or how how difficult

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Speaker 2: things looked for a lot of last night, like they

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Speaker 1: What's your take on the esthetically pleasing conversation. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I agree with with coach Peyton on that, and especially

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Speaker 1: Thursday night football can be all over the map, but

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Speaker 1: in general, there's been quite a few games this season

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Speaker 1: that haven't been quote unquote aesthetically pleasing. Is that a

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Speaker 1: cause for concern at all for the Broncos as they

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Speaker 1: had in the postseason, Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think two things can be true at

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Speaker 2: the same time. One is just you know, Sean Payton

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Speaker 2: very clearly. I think we've learned this about him by now.

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Speaker 2: It's a game plan league, it's a matchup league, it's

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Speaker 2: a week by week league. But Sean Payton, more than

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Speaker 2: I think your average to a greater degree than your

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Speaker 2: average NFL coach, has a pretty set idea of how

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Speaker 2: he wants to navigate each game. So just because it

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Speaker 2: didn't look pretty last night doesn't mean that they can't

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Speaker 2: or against you know whoever they get in the first

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Speaker 2: playoff game that they play. It Now, all that being said,

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Speaker 2: like that's all well and good, but you want to

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen some good ones. Green Bay was

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Speaker 2: that leaves something to be desired, like you're picking knits

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Speaker 2: when you're thirteen and three. But definitely, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: And I don't even know if we're to see that

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Speaker 1: And that's where you wonder if that can still pay

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Speaker 2: Games, not at all. It's just obviously the margin feeerr

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Speaker 2: you just have to do better. And I don't even

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Speaker 2: I haven't even necessarily Ryan like got the sense over

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Speaker 2: for the most part. Obviously, Jacksonville ran away from them.

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Speaker 2: That happened a week after they put away a really

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Speaker 2: what we need to see to believe that they can

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Speaker 2: win in the postseason. It's just their style of play

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Speaker 1: Hundred percent Parker Gabriel joining us here. What's your take

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Speaker 1: on the Jacksonville loss? Was that the hey, they finally

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Speaker 2: Think it's a little bit of everything. Like, I just

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Speaker 2: really really good and frankly, like you know, the Broncos

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Speaker 2: I'd take another matchup between those two teams in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would too. In fact, with the AFC in general,

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Speaker 1: think almost everybody should be afraid of. Is that more

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And isn't that funny like at the end of

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Speaker 2: you there's just something daunting about playing those guys in

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen it so much in the playoffs, but

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Speaker 2: that's the kind of ball that Justin Herbert's playing right now.

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Speaker 2: I think he's got to prove he can do that

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Speaker 1: Last couple here for you, Parker always appreciate the time

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Speaker 1: of friend. So you got this game against the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: for a moment here with with Bonick and what what

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Speaker 1: And maybe there's nothing he can do at this point,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean obviously if he plays the way

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Speaker 2: and it just keeps happening. So the conversation is always

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Speaker 2: a long way off if it ever gets there. For

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Speaker 2: what has got him this far this season? What has

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Speaker 2: some way, they've ended up on the right side of

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Speaker 2: don't think asking bo Knicks to be something he hasn't

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Speaker 2: but for him, it's just about sticking to his strengths,

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Speaker 2: mitigating the weaknesses, and managing what comes in between. And

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Speaker 1: The NFL, and it's perfectly said last one. If there's

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Speaker 1: one concern for you, maybe even a couple. How would

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Speaker 1: of the leaky yardage or maybe even some tough moments

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Speaker 1: ones I usually start with, is there something else I'm missing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that's right. You know, the lack of

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Speaker 2: takeaways has just been kind of curious this year, and

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Speaker 2: that's one of those things where if you don't take

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Speaker 2: the ball away in the playoffs, you're just you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a hard time so that they don't need they

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Speaker 2: don't need a ton I heard someone say this about

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Speaker 2: the playoffs in baseball. You don't have to hit a

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Speaker 2: ton of homers in the playoffs in baseball, but you

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Speaker 2: got to hit big homers. And that's kind of the

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Speaker 2: takeaways thing in the playoffs in the NFL. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to create three a game, but you're gonna need

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Speaker 2: the run. So I think you're spot on. There's just

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Speaker 2: no way around the fact that the running game efficiency

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Speaker 2: has dried up quite a bit since JK. Dobbins got hurt.

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Speaker 2: They went from four point nine and carried a three

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Speaker 2: point eight to carry one hundred and thirty five yards

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Speaker 2: a game to ninety yards a game like it. Just

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Speaker 2: it's different. Doesn't mean they can't win, but it's different.

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Speaker 2: Probably have to be a little bit more bon Nix.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if in an all for all

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Speaker 2: the Marvels game in Week eighteen or in the postseason,

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Speaker 2: and then yeah, I mean that, you know, run game, leaky, yardage, takeaways.

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Speaker 2: Those three things are are where this team struggles at

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Speaker 1: I completely agree very quickly on JK. Dobbins. What did

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Speaker 1: you make of Sean Payton about a month ago, a

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Speaker 2: That was funny he did that, and a question I

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Speaker 2: asked him about Drew Sanders, of all people, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: clearly he clearly wanted to mention it. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when it happened, we were here

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Speaker 2: in Super Bowl. Dobbins has told people he thinks he's

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Speaker 2: gonna be back to the playoffs. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 2: him in the locker room. He was around this past week.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how often he's been around or not.

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Speaker 2: That was the first time I'd seen him since he

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Speaker 2: got hurt. So he's around. You know, he's working behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes trying to get back. I don't I just

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Speaker 2: honestly don't know what the odds are early in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: but he's been pushing for that, and you know, Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton's dangling it out there, so it'd be awfully interesting

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Speaker 2: even if he was back on the practice field, let's say,

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Speaker 2: going into a division round or something. Whether that, whether

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Speaker 2: he could actually play, would then be another conversation. But

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Speaker 2: I had something to worth worth watching over the next

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: No doubt Parker really appreciate the time, man. I know

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Speaker 1: it's a long couple of days for you. Happy holidays,

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Speaker 1: my friend, and really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same, do you with you soon?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: Sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Parker Gabriel does a wonderful job wonderful writer,