1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: It's six thirty one on our Wednesday listener Lunch Wednesday, 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Ron's Roos the place to be, Good time to be 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: listening to the Thinkybob Casey Morning Show. I always truly 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: appreciate the Fraternal Order Police President Ken Kobra, representive Sin 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: Saint Police Department Union, joins the program. Welcome back, Ken, 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: It's great having me back on the show. My friend. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 2: Thank good morning, Brian. Thanks for having me. 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you saw the reporting. It's why we're 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: talking today. The one hundred thousand dollars per kid curfew 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: centers now, it's part of the five point four million 11 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: dollar public safety money that was allocated last year in 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: the aftermath of the well the beatdowns and other criminal activity. 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: They said they're going to start enforcing the curse. He's 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: strengthening the curfew for those under the age of eighteen. 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: I will have a question on but in that five 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: point four million was three hundred and eighty thousand dollars 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: to operate curfew centers, one hundred and eighty five going 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: to Seven Hills, one hundred and ninety five for the 19 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Lighthouse Youth and Family and according to Scott Wortman's reporting 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: from the enquire the other day they did the research. 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: There was a report from Interim Chief Henny only four 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: youths were taken to the centers for since they opened 23 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: in August. 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: Uh. 25 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: Just a straightforward question, Ken Cober, is these are the 26 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: Cincinnti police officers really aggressively pursuing curfew or do they 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: view it like any other minor crime that it's not 28 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: worth the paperwork or hassle or headache. I'm just kind 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: of curious. 30 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: No, you know, it's something that I certainly I predicted 31 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: that they weren't going to do it because these tops 32 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 3: would be vilified if something went wrong, you know, and 33 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: that's what they well, we're going to have them at 34 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 3: four this Well they can say that all day long, 35 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: but the reality is as soon as they do, and 36 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: if something goes wrong, say it's something as simple as 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 3: tasing a kid because the kid runs from you, it's 38 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: it's something that they would you would make headlines you 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: and they certainly worry about whether or not they would 40 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: have the support of the city administration. So they just said, 41 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 3: I'm not going to deal with this, and it's exactly 42 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: what happened. 43 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Well, and that's a very sad reality, because if you 44 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: don't believe the administration has the support they've directed this 45 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: new curve. They've instituted this new curfew without loud statements 46 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: of the effect that it's going to be enforced. But 47 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: if they don't stand up for the officers doing exactly 48 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: what they promised the residents of the city they were 49 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: going to do, I imagine that transcends just curfew enforcement. 50 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: That's just well, not supporting you in your efforts to 51 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: enforce the laws on the books generally, isn't it. 52 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: Well, sure, absolutely, you know. 53 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: And the perfect example of a tangible way of showing 54 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: the support that they've gotten from the city administration. We 55 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: just graduated fifty four recruits this past week. 56 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: Congratulations to them. That's good. 57 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: We had had. 58 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: Three council members three out of the nine that showed up. Oh, 59 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: the mayor didn't show up. We had a city manager 60 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: who swore swore the recruits in and then immediately. 61 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: Left during the middle of ceremony. 62 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 3: And that was the biggest question I had from officers, 63 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 3: active officers that were there supporting these young folks that 64 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 3: just graduated, and they're. 65 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: Like, what was that. 66 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: Oh, well, that's that's the unfortunate reality of what we're 67 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 3: dealing with. 68 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: That I'm sorry man, that I almost don't know how 69 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: to react to that. I mean, a freebie press conference 70 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: that will make the City of Cincinnati's representatives look like 71 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: decent people, and only three show up and they don't 72 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: even hang out. I'm appalled at that. In the absence 73 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: of the mayor, that's like an ongoing problem. He doesn't 74 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: show up to anything unless it involves a ribbon in 75 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: some pet project of his. 76 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: Ken. 77 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, it's unfortunate, but you know we 78 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 3: had you know, Seth Walls, Smart, Jefferies, and Scottie Johnson 79 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: all showed up, which we're not surprises because all three 80 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: of them have been staunch supporters of law enforcement, and 81 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: we certainly appreciate that they showed up, but it was 82 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: sad to see only three of nine council members actually 83 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: show up to something like this. And you want to 84 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: know why cops aren't going out and enforcing curfew. 85 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: Here's exactly why. 86 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: There's your answer right there. Ken Coverer want to pause 87 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: on bringing back a couple more questions on that, but 88 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: I also want to ask you about this signature effort 89 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: to repeal the THHC laws. That's kind of generic questions 90 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: about the legalization of weed and whether or not has 91 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: had any impact on law enforcement. We'll talk with Ken 92 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Kober a little bit more coming to dog Station at 93 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: six thirty nine fifty five Ker City Talk Station Brian 94 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Thomas withth FOP President Ken Kober talking about the curfew. 95 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: We find out that the curfew centers really aren't being 96 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: used or underutilized. Four children actually were taken to one 97 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: of the curfew centers since the city allocated three hundred 98 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: and eighty thousand dollars to keep them open. Interim police 99 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: Chief Henny and the I guess assistant city council manager 100 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: somebody anyway revealed that four a total of four kids 101 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: were taken. Doing the math on that it doesn't really 102 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: work out that well. Scottie Johnson, who was a former 103 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: police chief or a police officer rather, he shares the 104 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: he's on the Public Safety and Government Committee. I Ken 105 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: said the curfew centers are necessary expense if you want 106 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: a strong curfew. He said, you want young people off 107 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: the streets at certain hours, Yeah, you do, because it's 108 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: safety measure. But you want to make sure also the 109 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: you have the resources available to accommodate young people when 110 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: you want them off the city streets. That's logical. But 111 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: if you're not enforcing the curfew at all, it becomes 112 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: a pointless gesture to throw money at it. 113 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: Now. 114 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Henny, for his part, claims that the centers are worthwhile 115 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: and we'll factor into the city's plan for addressing crime. 116 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: In the summer. 117 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: Right, Okay, we do have an uptick in juvenile crime 118 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: in the summer, said, it may not have been utilized 119 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: as much as people thought. I just think the understanding 120 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: that we're taking curfew seriously as a city and as 121 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: our neighborhoods. I think that really changed the direction that 122 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: our young people were going at. Not quite sure what 123 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: that means, but is it more perception than reality. By 124 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: saying you have a curfew and that it's going to 125 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: be enforced, that's all just the message goes out, Look, 126 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: we have a place to take them. But to your point, Ken, 127 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: they're not being enforced. An out loud question, I guess, 128 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: first off, has interim police chief Henny ever said out loud, 129 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: this is a lesser priority for officers. Don't bother, don't 130 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: enforce them. Yeah, it's on the books, but we really 131 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: don't want to interact with young people for all the 132 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: reasons you said in the last statement. Or has he 133 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: left it up to the officers to make their own 134 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: individual determination of whether they want to actually enforce the curfew. 135 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: No, he's left to the officers to decide, you know, 136 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 3: what they thought's best in that moment. You know, he's 137 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: he's certainly somebody that you know, he was the commander 138 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: of the Central Business Section, so he saw how troubling 139 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: youth can be, certainly in the downtown area. But yeah, 140 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 3: he's not one to come out and just say, look, 141 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: you will do this or you won't do this. He's 142 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 3: gonna say, look, you are cops, you're being paid to 143 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: do this job. Use your best judgment, and we'll live 144 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: with that. And that was one of the things that 145 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 3: I did think it was interesting that you just said, 146 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 3: is that these are the things we're. 147 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: Gonna do going forward. 148 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: He could go to city council or go to the 149 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: city manager and say, look, this isn't working. I don't 150 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: think it's a good idea, and they're gonna do whatever 151 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: they want to do anyway. 152 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: I mean, they might take his advice, they might not 153 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: but ultimately he's just doing. 154 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: What he has to deal with, and I certainly appli 155 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: for trying to make some of these things work when 156 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: maybe or maybe not he thinks that these are good ideas, 157 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: but it's what he's being told to do, so I get. 158 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: It all right. 159 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: To the broader question, I can understand why an officer 160 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't bother going through the exercise of picking up one 161 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: of these young people that said. Do officers regularly encounter 162 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: curfew violators? Is this an ongoing issue? I know it's 163 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: winter time, maybe fewer people out, but since it's been 164 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: enacted this curfew, have there been a lot of you know, 165 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: officers engaging with young people. I understand not taking him 166 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: to the drop off centers, but is this happening still? 167 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: Are there violators out there that you see all the 168 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: time or is this just sort of a random thing. 169 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: There's really not that many. 170 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: Well, certainly in the wintertime it's become less. But after 171 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: they announced that this curfew was going to take place, 172 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: I'm asking officers daily, especially third shift officers. 173 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: Downtown, and they said the same thing. It's like, listen, 174 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: as soon as we saw a. 175 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: Group of kids that were out twelve thirty one o'clock 176 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: in the morning, they immediately scattered. So I do think 177 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: in some respects it is at least paying dividends that 178 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 3: there's at least the fear that they may be taking 179 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: in these curfew centers. So in that respect it's working. 180 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: But you know, obviously, you know the tangible result of 181 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: this of saying, hey, there's only been four Obviously that 182 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: certainly is concerning. 183 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: It is And I guess the broad up question in 184 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: terms of enforcement as a police officer, and I know 185 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: you might have some suspicion that someone's under the age 186 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: of eighteen, but how can you tell when looking across 187 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: a city block or something that any given kid might 188 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: be a curfew violator or not you have to actually 189 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: stop them and card them or something or inquire about 190 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: their age. 191 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean you can typically tell. I mean, 192 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: if it's hard to tell between being seventeen or eighteen, yeah, 193 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: but I mean there are kids out here that are 194 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: running around they're twelve and thirteen years old that are 195 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 3: obvious that you're, based off of being only five foot tall, 196 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: that they are likely not eighteen years old. And the 197 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: interesting part about this is we talk about curfews is. 198 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: I'm currently in Washington, DC, and I went after we 199 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: get to some meetings with a congressman yesterday and go 200 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: over to Union Station, which is a right by Capitol Hill, 201 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: and we go out there and there are juveniles everywhere, 202 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: just running amock and what's there the National Guard, DC 203 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: Metro Police. So this is not an issue that is 204 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 3: unique to Cincinnati. This is happening in every major city 205 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: across the country, dealing with juveniles that are just out 206 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: of control. 207 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: Out of control, and of course, the idea it's so 208 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean, as we've seen in Minneapolis with the protesters 209 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: against ice, it's so easy to coordinate activities and for 210 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: young people to communicate, Hey, we're going to meet down 211 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: at Government Square. Show up at ten o'clock, bring your 212 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: motorcycle or whatever. And then of course the cops are 213 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: coming and they easily disperse. So communication alone is I'm 214 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: sure compound of the problem. Plus I think there's just 215 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: a general deterioration of morals and ethics in this country. 216 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: But real quick, here in Ohio they passed SB fifty six, 217 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: which curbed and limited and I guess criminalized on some level, 218 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: repealing some of the just freedom that people have voted 219 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: for in terms of legalization of marijuana. Rather than focus 220 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: on this repeal effort of Senate Bill fifty six, I 221 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: just want to ask you, since marijuana has been legalized 222 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: and rather recreationally in the state of Ohio, has that 223 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: impacted law enforcement? Have you noticed a significant change in 224 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: the amount of weed you encounter see has it caused 225 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: an upticking crime? From your perspective, can you trace any 226 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: changes in you know, criminal activity or what's going on 227 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: in the city to the legalization of marijuana. 228 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 3: Ken Now, I think the only thing, the only real 229 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: impact it's had is the revalence of it in public. 230 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 3: To smell it, It's like it seems like everywhere you go, 231 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: that's all you smell. But you know, the reality is 232 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: this is what the voters in Ohio vote is. 233 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: For, so that's what they get. 234 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: But as far as like crime and things like that, 235 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 3: I don't think it's really had much of an impact, 236 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: you know, a day to day business. You know, it's 237 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: something that for years kind of has been hands off anyway, 238 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: because you look at it. I mean, it's funny how 239 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: far we've gone from you know, the early two thousands 240 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: when city council passed an ordinance to make or since 241 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 3: they means well, code to make possession of marijuana and 242 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: m four and we were we were taking people to 243 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 3: jail for having a joint. And then now we're going, nope, 244 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: you know what, it's completely decriminalized. 245 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: We're not doing this. 246 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 3: And and then city Council goes and says, you know what, 247 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: We're going to make sure that we can expunge anyone 248 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: record who wants to have it expunged for possession of marijuana. 249 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 3: So it's just it's funny to see in the matter 250 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: of twenty years how much things have changed. 251 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: It really is. 252 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: And finally, obviously, illegal immigration and ICE activities all the 253 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: topic of conversation, at least dominating the topic of conversation. 254 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: I rarely read about the City of Cincinnatian and so 255 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: far as illegal immigrants. I know the Parvow administration has 256 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: declared the City of Cincinna sanctuary city. Does that mean 257 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: that you and the members of the Sincinnate Police Department 258 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: are not working with ice or otherwise letting Ice know 259 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: when you're getting ready to let somebody out of lock up, 260 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: or maybe you know about the way the Sheriff's office 261 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: is doing that. I'm just curious to know that component 262 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: real quick, yes or no. But also do you encounter 263 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: the quote unquote illegal immigrants very often in doing law enforcement? 264 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: Is it an issue here in the city. 265 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: Well, I could tell you we see it all the time. Yeah, 266 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: where there's somebody here that are they Are they here 267 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: illegally or illegally conor hard to say? 268 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: You know when they don't have an ID. 269 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: You know they don't they give you a name and 270 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: say this is who I am, and they're not in 271 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: a computer. But that's not the function of the Cincinnati 272 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: Police Department now. And I think it's important for people 273 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: to understand too. In one of the meetings that I 274 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 3: had yesterday with Senator Moreno, and he made it clear 275 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: he's like, I can only control what goes on in Ohio, 276 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: being a senator from Ohio. 277 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: He goes, However, if. 278 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: ICE is going to come and do some kind of 279 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 3: targeted operation, he goes, I fully expect that they're going 280 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: to reach out to whatever jurisdiction that they're in and 281 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: let them know, Hey, this is what's going on. 282 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 2: What we're going to do. There's no surprises, And I. 283 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: Can tell you as of now there have been none 284 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: of these targeted operations, certainly in the city of Cincinnati. 285 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 3: I know Columbus has had some things going on, but 286 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: Senator Miranda Goyes, listen, we want full transparency. We want 287 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 3: people to know, especially law enforcement agencies, to know, Hey, 288 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: this is what's going on exactly that way. You know, 289 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: we don't have you know, a local jurisdiction going what 290 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: the heck are these people doing here? 291 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: You know, and that just common sense. 292 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: When I was in the Fugitive Union, if we were 293 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: going to go serve a warrant in another jurisdiction, we 294 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 3: would contact them and say, hey, we're looking for somebody 295 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 3: that's wanted for murder. You know, we're in your jurisdiction. 296 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: Just understand this is what we're here doing. That way, 297 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: if you see some pops running around that aren't in uniform, 298 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 3: you're not going to hecker these people and what are 299 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: they doing. 300 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: I think that's a common sense approach. 301 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: It is a total common sense approach. 302 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: So good. 303 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that communications in place. And Ken Cober, 304 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: I can't thank you for coming to the show and 305 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: updating my listeners on this and trying to make some 306 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: sense out of all of an FLP President Ken Cober, 307 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: you have a welcome spot on the fifty five Casey 308 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: Morning Show, and as I always ended the segment, God 309 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: bless you all the members of the since A law 310 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: enforcement and law enforcement generally speaking, my listening audience, and 311 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: I definitely have your guys backs.